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Speaker 2: Doing well? Doing well? Thanks for the time. I just

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Speaker 2: had a couple of actually just coaching technique stuff off

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Speaker 2: the last game. The for Pop you wanted catching that

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Speaker 2: I'd be curious how you approach that one.

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Speaker 3: The first thing we always tell every returner when they're

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Speaker 3: go into it and say, hey, you should have done this,

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Speaker 3: should and that a because then they start second guessing

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Speaker 3: we'll talk about it on Mondays once we get back

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Speaker 3: in the office and everything, but when they make a

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Speaker 3: a lot of times when those balls are short and

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Speaker 3: have the most movement on them and the points up

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Speaker 3: not going to have a muff there. We're running up

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Speaker 3: so that's something you talk about with him once you

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Speaker 2: And likewise, a technique question for the gunners on the

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Speaker 2: punt that bryce, it looked like it landed in an

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's a lot of be do with, like

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Speaker 1: That's kind of stuff. On the sideline, it goes into it.

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Speaker 3: So as they go down, like you said, Burials did

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Speaker 3: Field, it entice the returners to gunners to come to

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Speaker 3: I mean it hits you know, like you said, like

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Speaker 3: Filling the ball. But it goes back to where actually

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Speaker 5: Hey, Kim Horritt, Good Andrew, We're doing well. I wanted

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Speaker 1: Any growth? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: and that's the thing, going out there, getting repetition in

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Speaker 1: And you know he's done a good job finishing through

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Speaker 6: All right, thanks to say, good morning, Cam morning.

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Speaker 1: How are we doing. I'm doing well.

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Speaker 6: Punk with Tomrio, and in that situation, you've got Washington

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Speaker 1: And but you know, his recall is amazing on that stuff.

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Speaker 3: But we definitely talk about games where the win has

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Speaker 1: You've got to make a good decision so you don't

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Speaker 3: You know, that's whether it's the hitting yards we're gaining

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Speaker 1: We don't want to give up those rolls. You know.

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Speaker 3: As the yards increases, the hangtimes have to increase, and

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Speaker 3: The worst punch you can have is one down the

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Speaker 1: That's the worst punch you can have.

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Speaker 3: So anytime you do hit a punt like that, you

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Speaker 1: React and get down to the field. Thanks Camp, Thanks Bob.

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Speaker 4: And last question Chris Ryan, Hey Cam, how are.

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Speaker 1: You going Chris? How are we doing good?

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Speaker 7: Another question kind of off the Pop Douglas play from Miami,

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Speaker 7: And you mentioned some of the determining factors, but you know,

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Speaker 7: when you coach, how do you determine you know which

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Speaker 3: about once it actually hits the ground, the ground, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's it's it's tough. I'm gonna steal this remote here

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Speaker 3: because I'm just an a visual person. So like once

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Speaker 3: the once the ball hits the ground, it's tough to

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Speaker 3: see which way it's gonna go. The most consistent bounce

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Speaker 3: is the first one. So most of the time, whichever

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Speaker 3: direction the ball is hitting, it's gonna bounce that same way.

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Speaker 3: The second bounce it's a call to crush you. You don't know,

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Speaker 3: you don't know where that second ball is gonna go.

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Speaker 3: So we tell the guys like, once you get over there,

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Speaker 3: you try to get in front of the ball, because

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Speaker 3: it's no different than filling the baseball that Sunday hop.

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Speaker 3: It's for that first hop pretty clean when you can

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Speaker 3: get it and throw, So you want to get in

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Speaker 3: front of the ball that second bounce, that second hop.

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Speaker 3: It's you know, you really don't have an idea because

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Speaker 3: of the football shape, where is it gonna go?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 3: If it just sticks and it's hitting the end over end,

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Speaker 3: then you know it's just gonna continue on the same path.

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Speaker 1: It's the ones that are really call it the.

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Speaker 3: Nose is up of a football, and it's like call

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Speaker 3: it falling back this way, back away from the returner.

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Speaker 1: The missing balls when those hit, they can go in

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Speaker 1: a direction. So it's a lot to do with, like

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Speaker 1: where is the ball, what type of ball did the

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Speaker 1: punter hit?

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Speaker 3: And then where's that first balance. If it's just a

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Speaker 3: true endover end, it's usually gonna continue on the same way.

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Speaker 3: If it came down and it was a nose up

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Speaker 3: ball hitting the ground, it's gonna bounce any direction. So

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Speaker 3: the way we tell our guys is to understand it.

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Speaker 3: Just look get in front of the ball, be ready

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Speaker 3: to fill it on the first bounce, because that's usually

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Speaker 3: the cleanest one. In doubt and you're not sure, don't

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Speaker 3: be over aggressfully laying out like we're not trying to

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Speaker 3: make a plate on third base or anything in the

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Speaker 3: line drive, Like, let's just make sure we clean we

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Speaker 3: catch it, we.

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Speaker 1: Can either get down for guys there or you can

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Speaker 1: return it. Heg you Thanks Chris,