WEBVTT - Jim Geraghty on “Voting to Kill”

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<v Speaker 1>But like to welcome to the program. Jim Garrity from

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<v Speaker 1>National Review Online has a blog called The Carry Spot

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<v Speaker 1>t K s uh. Just a brilliant body of work

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<v Speaker 1>during the campaign of two thousand four, cited often by me,

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<v Speaker 1>not stolen by me, but cited often by me on

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<v Speaker 1>this program. Jim has a book out called Voting to

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<v Speaker 1>Kill but not since September nineteenth, and he went out,

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<v Speaker 1>has gone out, and the interviewed a number of Americans

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<v Speaker 1>about the issues on their mind as the mid term

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<v Speaker 1>elections come up in November. Jim, welcome. It's great to

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<v Speaker 1>have you here with us Rush some very long awaited

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<v Speaker 1>mega diddos. Thanks so much for having me up you bet, Jim. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to start off by telling you a little

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<v Speaker 1>story because uh, and let me ask. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to I don't be wrong in my in my presumption,

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<v Speaker 1>but but the the focal point of the of the

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<v Speaker 1>book is that the people you've talked to do take

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<v Speaker 1>seriously the threat posed by terrorists around the world. Whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you want to call him, Islamo fascist, the war on

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<v Speaker 1>terts a serious thing to them. Correct. Okay, So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>up in New York over a weekend and I went

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<v Speaker 1>to a dinner party Saturday night at a friend's house

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<v Speaker 1>which is in plain view of West Point, and a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of people looking out across the Hudson River at

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<v Speaker 1>West Point, and one of them made mentioned, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the birthplace of the American Revolution. And I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder how many people today even think about the American Revolution.

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<v Speaker 1>How many people are taught the American Revolution. And it

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<v Speaker 1>was until Dolly Madison had to run out of a

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<v Speaker 1>burning White House with a picture of George Washington that

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<v Speaker 1>the American people back then got serious about the threat

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<v Speaker 1>posed by the continual presence of the Britties. The British

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<v Speaker 1>had burned down the White House, and that finally got

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<v Speaker 1>the American people all upset. History textbooks today say the

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<v Speaker 1>American Revolution began when Bill Clinton was elected. And so

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<v Speaker 1>the question, the question came up at dinner is is

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<v Speaker 1>America finished? You think enough people care? And one of

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<v Speaker 1>the one of the guests that I believe in the

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<v Speaker 1>total resiliency the American The American people fully aware of

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<v Speaker 1>the threat that we face, and they will respond to

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<v Speaker 1>leadership when that leadership tells I'm in a convincing way

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<v Speaker 1>that the threat that we faced and I raised my

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<v Speaker 1>hand said, well, when when are they When are they

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<v Speaker 1>going to respond to say, what was nine eleven? If

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<v Speaker 1>it was not a wake up call? So what what's

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<v Speaker 1>your take on this? After having spoken to a number

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<v Speaker 1>of Americans? Is there a when you think a majority

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<v Speaker 1>of them that are going to vote, that are well

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<v Speaker 1>aware and prepared to vote on this as an issue?

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<v Speaker 1>Rush We used to hear about the silent majority, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think what I would call these folks? Are they

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<v Speaker 1>not vocal plurality? Uh, there are a lot of folks who, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the day by day they don't necessarily think of these things.

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<v Speaker 1>You hear about high gas prices or some other issue

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<v Speaker 1>that's in the news, and then you get something like

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<v Speaker 1>that foiled plot to bomb the London airliners, or the

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<v Speaker 1>bombing plots that were in Denmark and Germany and all

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<v Speaker 1>these other places around the world, and all of a

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<v Speaker 1>sudden people wake up to it and they realize, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>my goodness, this is we are in a life and

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<v Speaker 1>death struggle. Um, do I have time to share the

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<v Speaker 1>anecdote of the security moms in my book? Right? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>They sickly the tiny of the attacks on the morning

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<v Speaker 1>of nine eleven, For many parents came after they had

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<v Speaker 1>dropped their children off to school and either they're on

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<v Speaker 1>their way home or they just arrived home. They turned

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<v Speaker 1>on the TV. They see something is terribly wrong. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they realize that I've got to get to

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<v Speaker 1>my kids. They've got to make sure that they're safe.

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<v Speaker 1>And they faced this sudden, terrible decision of having more

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<v Speaker 1>than one child at more than one school, and they

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<v Speaker 1>many of them described it as feeling like a gun

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<v Speaker 1>had been put to their heads, saying which child do

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<v Speaker 1>you pick up first? Which child to make sure is

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<v Speaker 1>safe first? And this to them was probably for many

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<v Speaker 1>of the most traumatic moment of their lives, something absolutely horrific.

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<v Speaker 1>That all they want in a leader is someone who

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<v Speaker 1>will make sure they never face that moment again, that

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<v Speaker 1>sort of choice again. Well, I guess that's questions that

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<v Speaker 1>sentiments still prevail. I saw Washington Post pole or story.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was by Jim Van Derhey, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not I'm not sure that he was the writer. But

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<v Speaker 1>the headline says Republicans losing security moms, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>about a poll. If you read the whole story, it

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<v Speaker 1>did indicate that Republicans were losing this important trust to

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<v Speaker 1>security moms, but that the Democrats weren't picking it up. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was that was a problem from the Washington Post.

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<v Speaker 1>But what is the emotion of these security moms. You've

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<v Speaker 1>just described the same today as it was in the

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<v Speaker 1>days after nine eleven. I think so um. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>the carry spot coverage. I had a mentor named Obi

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<v Speaker 1>wan Kenobi use that because I didn't want it. He

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want his name out there. But he basically says

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<v Speaker 1>that once you go into the voting booths, all of

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<v Speaker 1>the attack ads, all of the screaming headlines, all of

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<v Speaker 1>the shouting back and forth goes away. It's almost like

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<v Speaker 1>the whole room goes silent and it's just you and

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<v Speaker 1>your ballot. And he described it as an almost sacred experience,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden, it takes away all of

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<v Speaker 1>the riff raffle, all of the other distracting messages out there,

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<v Speaker 1>and you look seriously at the two names on the

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<v Speaker 1>ballot in front of you, and you've get to think

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<v Speaker 1>more seriously about what that choice signifies, and that, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, it is a pretty rare experience in human

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<v Speaker 1>history to get the right to choose your leaders. It's

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<v Speaker 1>Americans do take that seriously, and so you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>may not have the same seriousness when they're talking to

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<v Speaker 1>a polster on the phone or even talking to and

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<v Speaker 1>then I, um, but I think Americans do basically take

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<v Speaker 1>this extraordinarily seriously once you get all the distractions out

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<v Speaker 1>of the way, something like say, Congressman Fully, well, let

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<v Speaker 1>me let me bring that up. By the way, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're just joining us talking with Jim Garretty, his book

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<v Speaker 1>is Voting to Kill and he is a blogger the

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<v Speaker 1>Terry spot at National Review Online, which is one of

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<v Speaker 1>this program's favorite websites and blog sites. Um. The the

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<v Speaker 1>the the folly episode has now had uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>full throated treatment ever since Fully resigned on Thursday, after

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<v Speaker 1>whiles actually since the emails were uh leaked and their

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<v Speaker 1>existence known since I guess Thursday Friday morning, what have you? Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The the impression is that this is the issue now,

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<v Speaker 1>the Republican corruption culture. Corruption is back, George Allen, Tom delay,

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<v Speaker 1>Janine Pierro up in New York is a nationally known story,

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<v Speaker 1>and now this folly business. And it does appear the

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats have once again lost their footing on their opposition

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<v Speaker 1>to the war on terror and Iraq, and now they're

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<v Speaker 1>rallying around this folly thing. Um. And I wondered how

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<v Speaker 1>you felt about it, since your book is basically supporting

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<v Speaker 1>the premise that the war on terror and the threat

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<v Speaker 1>America faces the issue on which people to vote, going

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<v Speaker 1>to vote? Does this change that? Um? These starts of

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<v Speaker 1>issues come along every now and then, Uh, you know, scandals.

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<v Speaker 1>We we saw them believing that the Abramov scandal was

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<v Speaker 1>going to absolutely be the issue that decided this year's elections,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, where is that? It's nowhere? My My first

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<v Speaker 1>instinct is that this might be the second coming of

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<v Speaker 1>the Wellstone funeral um, which I'm sure you remember from

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand two. Was this, you know, an event that

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans attended and everyone wanted to, whether they agreed with

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Wellston or not, pay their respects and and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>pay tribute to a guy who, even if you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>agree with them, seemed like a very decent guy. And

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<v Speaker 1>it turned into a partisan pep rally um. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that eagerness to score political points. We're seeing it

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<v Speaker 1>a bit in the coverage so far. And I could

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<v Speaker 1>see this if the Democrats are not careful. They will

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<v Speaker 1>echo that's exact same sentiment of cticizing, what is it?

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard a tragedy that you know knows no no

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<v Speaker 1>partisan lines. I mean, this is just a terrible thing

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<v Speaker 1>to happen in this poor kid's life. And now they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to, you know, refocus the entire Democratic campaign for

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<v Speaker 1>two thousands six over this, you know, I mean honestly, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I don't think I think there's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>more of this kind of stuff. I think the Clinton

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<v Speaker 1>war room is in full speed, and I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>a whole host of these things they're holding, uh to

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<v Speaker 1>release in a timely fashion, i e. Press leaks or

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<v Speaker 1>bombshell stories, not just about sex scandals and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, Jim, the one thing about this this

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<v Speaker 1>this when you compare it to the Wellstone memorial, understand

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<v Speaker 1>it in the sense of Democrats really overplayed it. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>Wellstone's death of tragedy. But this is pedophilia. There are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who just they have no patience tolerance.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't want to be made to try to understand

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<v Speaker 1>anything about it. Uh, they don't want to be bought

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<v Speaker 1>off with trips to rehab. This is pedophilia, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>some people who fear it's gonna have legs because of that. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no way that every Republican should be saying they'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to, you know, beat this guy with their own

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<v Speaker 1>bare hands. I mean, there's no doubt that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>no one should make any effort to defend this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, to say that this is some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of issue that I have my doubts that people when

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<v Speaker 1>they look at their congressmen and the challenger in front

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<v Speaker 1>of them, and their Senate race, their governor's race, I

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<v Speaker 1>have my doubts that this is what it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be on their minds, because ultimately, this is one guy

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<v Speaker 1>and as far as we know one page. Maybe there

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<v Speaker 1>are some others, but this is, you know, this is

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily the grand issue of the republic that was

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<v Speaker 1>going to affect every single person on the level of

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<v Speaker 1>terrorism is So I would I would assume you would

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<v Speaker 1>then believe that the Democrats are making a mistake by

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<v Speaker 1>not giving voters something about them to vote for on

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the issue is. They still are not doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>They're still trying to run on the basis that Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>are scumb and you can't trust them and put us

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<v Speaker 1>back in power because it's ours and we deserve it.

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<v Speaker 1>But in terms of UH, the issue of terrorism, I

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<v Speaker 1>would assume, if your theory is correct, that you would

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<v Speaker 1>have to believe that they're actually hurting themselves with their

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<v Speaker 1>position on a rock and Jack Murtha cut run the

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<v Speaker 1>president fighting back on it. You think this will prevail

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<v Speaker 1>an election day? Absolutely, And what's interesting, well, we will see.

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<v Speaker 1>But we saw a very similar dynamic in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>four where Carrie was pulling on certain issues very well.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone liked his plans to give us all free healthcare

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, I'm going to spend more money on this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna spend more money on that. Uh. And nearly

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<v Speaker 1>across the board he was doing fine except for this big,

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<v Speaker 1>glaring weakness on the issue of terrorism that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Bush was beating him like a drum on this. And

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<v Speaker 1>the lesson of two thousand four, or even to a

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<v Speaker 1>certain extent, two thousand two, is if voters don't think

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<v Speaker 1>you can handle protecting the country, they don't care what

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<v Speaker 1>you have to say about prescription drugs or healthcare or

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<v Speaker 1>any of these others issues which you know they can

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<v Speaker 1>be important, but no issue is more important than who's

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<v Speaker 1>going to keep me safe. Who's going to make sure that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, somebody doesn't plow and it's scott An airline

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<v Speaker 1>or into my skyscraper. There could be a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people comforted by this, and I'm one of them. I

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<v Speaker 1>have to tell you that I'm uh not as confident

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<v Speaker 1>as you are that the nine level was five years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't even show videotape of it anymore. We never

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<v Speaker 1>are allowed to see the suicide jumps from either of

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<v Speaker 1>the two towers. Those are suppressed. It's too soon. We

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<v Speaker 1>can't deal with it emotionally. The Democrats have tried to

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<v Speaker 1>paint a picture that it was, you know, just an

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<v Speaker 1>episodic event, not part of any systematic effort on a

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<v Speaker 1>part of people that want to kill us, not just

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<v Speaker 1>a battle in a war. It was just we kind

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<v Speaker 1>of screwed up. But these things happen now and then

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<v Speaker 1>there not much we can do about it. We need

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<v Speaker 1>to go back to having our normal lifestyle. They're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to do their best to a race from people's memory

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<v Speaker 1>that had happened. In the meantime, we have not been

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<v Speaker 1>hit since uh Madrid has London has foiled a plot

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<v Speaker 1>among the airliners. As you pointed up, we haven't been hit.

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<v Speaker 1>And the theory that some people have is that we've

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<v Speaker 1>just started getting a false sense of complacency about our

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<v Speaker 1>security and if that transfers into people voting differently than

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<v Speaker 1>on security, it'll have a negative outcomes. So people are

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be comforted to hear your theory on this. I think, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's one of those things where even if

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have the images on the television's, they don't

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<v Speaker 1>go out of our heads. You know that that's something

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, even if if I never saw a

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<v Speaker 1>picture of it or video of it for the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of my life, I'm never going to forget it. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of voters are that same way. Plus,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we saw the ratings for that past mental

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<v Speaker 1>nine eleven movie that you actually want it's time slot

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<v Speaker 1>one of the nights and did very well the other night.

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<v Speaker 1>There's an interest in this, and the more that the

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats and certain elites in the media say, oh, we

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't talk about this, this is something that's uh, too emotional,

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<v Speaker 1>it stirs up too many bad memories, it's too soon.

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<v Speaker 1>People notice that and I think people kind of resent it.

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<v Speaker 1>They resent being treated like children, and they resent being

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<v Speaker 1>talked down to of what they can and can't handle.

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<v Speaker 1>Certainly they didn't have their problem with pictures of Abu

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<v Speaker 1>Grabe or you know, uh, the the picture of the

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<v Speaker 1>Virgin Mary with dung on it and all these other

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<v Speaker 1>horrific images, but we're not allowed to see the one

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<v Speaker 1>that will make us as Americans angry. I mean, people

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<v Speaker 1>know the score on this, so it's safe to assume

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<v Speaker 1>that your your your opinion or your thoughts on the

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<v Speaker 1>what I call the drive by media's effort to shift

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<v Speaker 1>public opinion on all this is ultimately going to fail.

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<v Speaker 1>Abu grab Club getting all all these things designed to

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<v Speaker 1>portray America and its worst, the al Qaeda Bill of Rights.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got to give these people lawyers and trials that

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<v Speaker 1>that's actually infuriating more people than anybody gives credit to.

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<v Speaker 1>If I were in charge of the r n C,

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<v Speaker 1>and sadly I am not, I would be running the

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<v Speaker 1>footage of Senator Dick Durman, of Senator Democratic of Illinois

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<v Speaker 1>comparing US troops in Guantana obey to Nazis seven. Just

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<v Speaker 1>remind these people what they think of our armed forces,

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<v Speaker 1>what do they think of our efforts in the war

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<v Speaker 1>on terror? And how they see us as the bad

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<v Speaker 1>guys because you know, every American, even a whole lot

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<v Speaker 1>of conservative Democrats, a lot of Joe Lieberman Democrats out there. No,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not the bad guys in this, you know, even

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<v Speaker 1>and and their attitude towards our guys in guantanam Obey

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<v Speaker 1>and our guys fighting the war on Terrell around the

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<v Speaker 1>world is do what you gotta do. We trust you,

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<v Speaker 1>we know you're not bad guys. You just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>life requires you to make some difficult choices and do

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<v Speaker 1>some tough things, and you know we're fine with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Do what you have to keep us safe. I think

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<v Speaker 1>is the overwhelming mentality of so many Americans. True, Jim,

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<v Speaker 1>you know something. Uh, I'm inclined to adopt your belief

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<v Speaker 1>and be confident about it for for a host of reasons,

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<v Speaker 1>but one main one, and that is you've got a

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<v Speaker 1>book coming out. It's out, it's election time on the

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<v Speaker 1>premise of how people are going to vote. If you're wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna have a lot of trouble selling your next book. November,

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<v Speaker 1>So well, best of luck with it, and thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>your time today. This is um I'm glad that you

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<v Speaker 1>were you had some time, because I don't think the

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<v Speaker 1>American people can hear enough, especially in these times, positive

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<v Speaker 1>thinking and confidence about themselves. You've obviously talked to them,

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<v Speaker 1>researched it enough to write a book. You're ultimately expressing

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<v Speaker 1>confidence in the seriousness of the American people, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think they need to hear that about themselves. UM. So

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that. Thank you so much. Jim, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Garritty. The book is Voting to Kill and it's

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<v Speaker 1>uh by a man who has got a great piece.

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<v Speaker 1>It survived the two four two four elections. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>that Carry spot t k s. As I say, this

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<v Speaker 1>piece was, this blog was just a front of information,

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<v Speaker 1>humor and serious combined about the absolute foibles of the

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<v Speaker 1>of the Carry campaign and the man. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>a good read. It's a good book. Happy to recommend

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<v Speaker 1>it until you