Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bechler Happy Hour. I'm Joe
Speaker 1: and I and we are here with Sam Pee from
Speaker 1: Bachelor Paradise. Sam, Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited.
Speaker 3: Are you good that we're excited to have you?
Speaker 2: You are.
Speaker 1: I'll just let you and Serena get into it because
Speaker 1: we have two Canadians on this podcast.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 4: Okay, so I am a bad Canadian girl and I
Speaker 4: didn't watch Bachelor in Paradise Canada.
Speaker 3: So where in Canada are you from?
Speaker 2: So? I am from Saint John's, Newfoundland, Okay, Easterly Point
Speaker 2: actually North America, and I actually live on a rock.
Speaker 2: You cannot get here unless you fly or get a
Speaker 2: boat here.
Speaker 3: Your accent isn't that strong?
Speaker 2: No? I know every single time I meet people that
Speaker 2: are not from New Zealand or like, where's your accent?
Speaker 2: I honestly wish I had more of it.
Speaker 3: Well, because some people from Newfoundland do have such a
Speaker 3: strong accent. You have a little bit, but it's like
Speaker 3: not that bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, It's like when I do hard and power,
Speaker 2: it's like why yeah, yeah, that's like literally the only
Speaker 2: like East Coast accent that.
Speaker 1: I have, and what's life like? What is life like
Speaker 1: living on a rock? Also, have you guys seen the
Speaker 1: you've watched Peaky Blinders. Have you ever seen Peaky Blinders?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the last season. Isn't he in Newfoundland
Speaker 1: in the last season.
Speaker 3: I didn't watch the last I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, okay, but yeah, what's life like on around?
Speaker 2: Okay? I'll try and describe it as best I can.
Speaker 2: It's like we have a lot of like what's called
Speaker 2: jellybean row So it's all these like row houses that
Speaker 2: are like beautiful colors and all these like tiny winding streets,
Speaker 2: and it has a very European feel. So it's almost
Speaker 2: like you feel like you're you're somewhere in Europe when
Speaker 2: you come here. And we have such a large culture
Speaker 2: of food and music. There's so much talent here, and
Speaker 2: everybody is connected in some weird way. So it's just
Speaker 2: there's five hundred thousand of us in total in this
Speaker 2: general general area where I am, like the city, there's
Speaker 2: about one hundred and fifty thousand. Every time I get
Speaker 2: down with these numbers, someone comes for me. But it's
Speaker 2: very close knit. It's very small, you know, It's like
Speaker 2: help your neighbor type thing, but everywhere. So it's so
Speaker 2: close knit and so fun, and the night life is
Speaker 2: so lively. It's just such such a unique, a unique place.
Speaker 2: It's amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah anytime.
Speaker 4: I haven't been to these states of Canada, but I
Speaker 4: have a few friends that have like road tripped it,
Speaker 4: and they always describe it as like it's so vibrant,
Speaker 4: but it still feels like a small town. But it's
Speaker 4: like there's such amazing energy and it's like so scenic
Speaker 4: and apparently the real estate is like really cheap and Halifax, yeah,
Speaker 4: and on these cos So I really want to go,
Speaker 4: but I have friends that will send me houses, being
Speaker 4: like we should just all pick up up and moved
Speaker 4: to the east coast of Canada.
Speaker 1: Well, if we drove there from Canada or from Toronto,
Speaker 1: how long would that take?
Speaker 3: Like a day or two?
Speaker 2: It's like maybe, like this is gonna be.
Speaker 4: Bad, depends where five days, four days, maybe back maybe
Speaker 4: to Newfoundland.
Speaker 3: Wow, because it's a little higher. Maybe you're talking to
Speaker 3: two people who don't know geography. Right now, I.
Speaker 1: Think by Land, Canada is the largest country in the world.
Speaker 3: We're up there, We're up there. Wait, Toronto to Newfinland, driving.
Speaker 1: Distance five days seems excessive, but I mean you could
Speaker 1: be right. Okay, so as it schooling in this, let's talk.
Speaker 4: Okay, So it's a thirty hour drive from Toronto to Newfoundland.
Speaker 4: So you could do it in five days. No one's
Speaker 4: gonna do it two to three days, two days.
Speaker 1: So Sam, let's talk about little bit about your experience
Speaker 1: on Bachelor in Paradise, Canada for our listeners who may
Speaker 1: not have watched, Like, I just kind of like your
Speaker 1: storyline and what really went down?
Speaker 3: Yeah, how did you get on? And like give us
Speaker 3: the spark notes of your time there.
Speaker 1: So I.
Speaker 2: Got like a I got a call and you know,
Speaker 2: someone said do you want to do this? And I've
Speaker 2: been like, where have you been? I have been waiting
Speaker 2: for this phone call? What have taken you so long?
Speaker 3: They happy at your number?
Speaker 2: Did you apply through the gram? Through the girl?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: And then another another show that I was on before
Speaker 2: that one I think kind of put me on the map.
Speaker 1: What show is that I was on?
Speaker 2: Big Brother?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've got that.
Speaker 3: I've watched a few seasons. It's actually like very good.
Speaker 2: It's so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So how long did you last in that show, so.
Speaker 2: I was first injurance. So I lasted forty one days,
Speaker 2: and you know, I want an a to aage. I
Speaker 2: want to POV. I got the Showman, so I was
Speaker 2: on Slot for two weeks. I did it all. I
Speaker 2: had the whole Big Brother experience and it was amazing.
Speaker 2: So I think from that it kind of put me
Speaker 2: on the map. And then I got the call for
Speaker 2: Bachelor in Paradise, Canada, and I was so excited. I
Speaker 2: didn't realize I was going to be first on the beach,
Speaker 2: not very first person, but at day one, which was
Speaker 2: so exciting. I got to meet so many incredible people
Speaker 2: before we get into the people my particular experience, and
Speaker 2: you know, I went there with an open mind and
Speaker 2: an open heart, and I fell for this guy, Cole,
Speaker 2: who was actually on Survivor. It was his first time
Speaker 2: in the Bachelor world. So we hit it off like
Speaker 2: day one and I ended up in a love triangle actually,
Speaker 2: which kind of just lasted the entire season. Some people
Speaker 2: would say I was the villain of the season. Some
Speaker 2: people would say I was the sweet part of the season.
Speaker 2: Some people would say I was the comedian of the season.
Speaker 2: So I was a well rounded contestant, let's just say that.
Speaker 2: And I learned a lot about myself and kind of like,
Speaker 2: you know, going for what I want and not being
Speaker 2: like one of two. And it was just such an
Speaker 2: amazing experience. And I think coming out of that wanting
Speaker 2: to be better and working on things, it was just
Speaker 2: the best part of it, to be honest.
Speaker 3: So did you end up with either of the guys?
Speaker 2: Well, obviously not well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, no, but I met like short, short term.
Speaker 4: Obviously I know you're not with any of them now,
Speaker 4: but yeah, how did it end for you?
Speaker 2: Actually, it was like kind of dramatic. You know. Cole
Speaker 2: had enough of the I think the dramatics of it all,
Speaker 2: and he left Paradise and I stuck around for a
Speaker 2: couple of days after actually because I met my now
Speaker 2: great friend Maryland. So I managed to find a best
Speaker 2: to you along the way and we left together. But
Speaker 2: you know, Cole was like, I can't do this, this
Speaker 2: is not the environment. I'm not ready, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: not in the mindset to like come here and fall
Speaker 2: in love. And we've chatted a little bit after and
Speaker 2: you know, he said, you know, I'm you know, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I couldn't give you what you really deserve. I wasn't
Speaker 2: really in that mindset in that environment to like go there.
Speaker 2: And I get that. I get that. I feel like
Speaker 2: sometimes you got to be really vulnerable on these shows,
Speaker 2: and if you're not willing to do that, it can
Speaker 2: be really challenging.
Speaker 1: So survivors never survive. The survivors never survived.
Speaker 3: Joe is big Brother or survivor. So No.
Speaker 2: The thing is is like Cole and I come from
Speaker 2: these competition shows where you're playing for money and you're
Speaker 2: trying to be strategic and like creating alliances, and it
Speaker 2: was hard, I think for Coal especially to switch that
Speaker 2: mindset to be like all right, I'm actually going to
Speaker 2: try and really be vulnerable here and Trent, you know,
Speaker 2: fall in love. So I think that was hard for me.
Speaker 1: You yeah, I think that that makes sense that that
Speaker 1: definitely checks out. Okay, So then how were you a
Speaker 1: shocked and be how did it happen to that you
Speaker 1: made the trajectory over to Bachelor in Paradise, United States?
Speaker 2: Well, once I watched the Canadian one, I was like,
Speaker 2: oh wow, this is like this was kind of enjoyable
Speaker 2: to watch, and I was like, I think I felt
Speaker 2: like I did a really great job and I didn't
Speaker 2: expect the call for us, but when I got it,
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, if they were going to choose
Speaker 2: anyone from my season to go, yeah, it made sense
Speaker 2: to me. And I like, honestly, I could believe it
Speaker 2: and couldn't believe it was actually happening at the same time.
Speaker 2: So well, I was just like, again, a no brainer, like,
Speaker 2: let's like, let's do this. This one. I wasn't. I
Speaker 2: wasn't like, where have you been up? Why haven't you
Speaker 2: called me? One was like Okay, yeah, it makes sense,
Speaker 2: let's let's do this.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So on Bachelor Paradise Canada, we know that some of
Speaker 4: the contestants were from the US show, Like we had
Speaker 4: Chelsea Vaughn, we had Austin I think.
Speaker 3: Did Demi make an appearance?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, came kind of shake it up, you know.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, Connor the Catfire Connor the Cat was there.
Speaker 4: So we had a couple US contestants on your season.
Speaker 4: Did they give you any advice? Did you reach out
Speaker 4: to them get any advice on maybe what to expect
Speaker 4: you into the US season?
Speaker 2: No? No, And it's funny because I myself hadn't watched
Speaker 2: a lot of the Paradise UH seasons, so and there
Speaker 2: was only one before mine in can So I came
Speaker 2: out there and I didn't know really who anybody was,
Speaker 2: and maybe I should have kind of reached out for
Speaker 2: some advice, but I was so scared to talk about
Speaker 2: it to tell anybody, and the way that my season
Speaker 2: like ended, and then when it aired there was like
Speaker 2: some like like drama amongst the girls, so I didn't
Speaker 2: really know who I could trust and who I couldn't.
Speaker 2: So I was like, I've got to keep this kind
Speaker 2: of close to me, and I wanted everyone to kind
Speaker 2: of have that like, oh my god, she's on the
Speaker 2: US one instead of like kind of letting it trickle
Speaker 2: through my my Canadian cast, if that makes sense. So
Speaker 2: I kept my I kept pretty cards. I kept my
Speaker 2: cards really close, to be honest. And I think too
Speaker 2: going into these experiences without like a plan, like I
Speaker 2: understood how it worked, but I feel like going with
Speaker 2: like an open mind was probably going to be the
Speaker 2: best way for me to do it personally.
Speaker 3: That makes sense. So then, what are the biggest differences.
Speaker 4: From filming the Canadian one to filming the US one?
Speaker 2: It's so different.
Speaker 4: Really well, I know, so I know for the Canadian one,
Speaker 4: there's no like engagement, like if you wanted to get engaged,
Speaker 4: I'm sure they would like let you, but like it's
Speaker 4: more common that you leave just.
Speaker 3: In a relationship. But that's kind of the only difference
Speaker 3: I'm aware of it.
Speaker 4: I know they film in like Muskoka, which for people
Speaker 4: that don't know, are like the Lake House woodsy vibes
Speaker 4: of Canada versus like of each in Mexico.
Speaker 2: That's right, Okay, so the US very clique.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 4: So okay, So I guess that makes sense just because
Speaker 4: they pull people off of past seasons, so there's different
Speaker 4: friend groups already formed depending on what season of The
Speaker 4: Bachelor the Bachelor you were on, whereas like for Canada,
Speaker 4: you guys are not command not really knowing each other.
Speaker 4: It's like you're forming friendships as you go.
Speaker 1: Well, who who on this season? Currently? Who are the
Speaker 1: cliques right now?
Speaker 4: I feel like it's pretty evident, but I'm curious to
Speaker 4: hear what he said, so I.
Speaker 2: Still could be wrong. And again, when I came into this,
Speaker 2: it wasn't to leave with a bunch of girlfriends. I was,
Speaker 2: you know, I was there to like find love. Okay,
Speaker 2: so when I came in, it was like I'm the
Speaker 2: new girl on campus that nobody knows, and like, here's
Speaker 2: our friend group that we're so close, and we don't
Speaker 2: really have much interest in like bringing you in. I mean,
Speaker 2: it makes sense that a new girl is a threat
Speaker 2: to your dynamic on the beach, So in real life
Speaker 2: that happens, let alone in this particular situation. So like
Speaker 2: let's say Kat and Jess and Kylie and Mercedes, I
Speaker 2: would say they were like real tight, like real real tight.
Speaker 2: And then even when Davia came in, she like everyone
Speaker 2: knew her, and Jennevieve came in, everyone everyone knew her,
Speaker 2: and Rachel knows everyone, and everyone knows Rachel, and I
Speaker 2: had never heard of Rachel or any of these girls
Speaker 2: until I got on the beach. So it's immediately when
Speaker 2: I got there, I was like, Okay, I'm not even
Speaker 2: gonna try and put my energy there at all, because
Speaker 2: I'll just waste energy that I could be putting into
Speaker 2: getting know the men. So I didn't even really try
Speaker 2: to like knock down those walls. Now, as we go
Speaker 2: through things and we get to know each other a
Speaker 2: bit more, yes, there's like friendships that start forming there,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't immediate and it definitely like took some
Speaker 2: time to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like that's like we are seeing that.
Speaker 4: And it's interesting because we talked to Tanner and some
Speaker 4: seasons in the past you see like the guys grow
Speaker 4: out a lot and you're like okay, and the girls
Speaker 4: are like, come on, like we want to date you,
Speaker 4: Like what are you doing playing like mermaids in the pool?
Speaker 4: But Tanner was like this season, like the girls were
Speaker 4: really tight and there was like a yeahstrong girl group
Speaker 4: and I feel like, you know, Mercedes, Kylie, Jess and
Speaker 4: Kat are all from Zach season. I know Jen is
Speaker 4: from Zach season. And when you are on the Bachelor Batchet,
Speaker 4: you spend so much time with the other contestants, like
Speaker 4: way more than with the leads, So there's definitely a bond.
Speaker 4: But I don't know, I don't feel like, like so
Speaker 4: Joe and I were on season seven, I don't feel
Speaker 4: like we had that as much.
Speaker 3: But I also think we had a lot of different
Speaker 3: people from different seasons and very very strong relationships, so
Speaker 3: it was a lot more of hanging out with Like
Speaker 3: it was a lot more you looked around, it was
Speaker 3: like everyone was coupled up. Yeah, versus like seeing like
Speaker 3: the girls drinking mimosas and then.
Speaker 1: Like the guys were well in our season, our season.
Speaker 1: Our season also came off of the COVID break, so
Speaker 1: there was there was a lot of time in between that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in between that. Yeah, But I do have a question
Speaker 1: just to touch on it right now, because when you
Speaker 1: do mention the click, Jess and Mercedes are in the
Speaker 1: same click. We do see last episode Jess and Tyler
Speaker 1: make out. Mercedes he's basically dating Tyler, and then that
Speaker 1: doesn't really get addressed, does it ever?
Speaker 4: Don't see like Mercedes and Tyler of a conversation Mercedes
Speaker 4: and Jess. We don't really see like that close out
Speaker 4: at all. Was there something that went down that we're
Speaker 4: not seeing?
Speaker 2: So again, at this point, I'm out of the loop.
Speaker 2: So yeah, where I saw that, I was like.
Speaker 1: Oh, really, so you see so you seeing it on TV.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the first time you knew about.
Speaker 2: It, Absolutely the first time I really saw it, So
Speaker 2: like I wasn't even in these conversations like at night
Speaker 2: when you're getting ready to go to bed or in
Speaker 2: the morning, where you're like were you here like the
Speaker 2: chit chat like that wasn't even in my realm. So
Speaker 2: like I have so interesting and I wish I wish
Speaker 2: I had known that. I wish I had known that.
Speaker 2: There's things I wish I had known. I wish I
Speaker 2: was in more so that I could. I just it's
Speaker 2: just that information could be powerful in like play a role. Definitely.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you wanted to, like reality TV show it up
Speaker 4: a little bit, and if you had that information, you
Speaker 4: could have gotten your hands in.
Speaker 2: Any way anyway. Like if you that, I can do whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, So you you come down at a at
Speaker 1: a very.
Speaker 3: Like interesting and opportune time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean you come down Basically you come
Speaker 1: down during your row ceremony where guys need a rose
Speaker 1: to stay and basically by you coming down at that time,
Speaker 1: there's really not much much time for you to make
Speaker 1: a real connection. So you're basically just giving a roast
Speaker 1: to whoever you potentially have the best conversation with. But
Speaker 1: it you gave your rose to Pete and you guys
Speaker 1: still seem to be hanging out. So what is that relationship?
Speaker 1: Like what's the dynamic?
Speaker 4: Wait, but before we get into p you. It was
Speaker 4: like freaking time for the sharks to feed when you
Speaker 4: came down to the beach, Like what was that like?
Speaker 4: And like walk us through like talking all these guys,
Speaker 4: Like what was the vibe? How did you make that
Speaker 4: decision to go with Pete?
Speaker 2: It was definitely overwhelming, and I was like I was,
Speaker 2: I was nervous, but more excited and I just felt
Speaker 2: so much better that I had a rose. It put
Speaker 2: me like in a whole different mindset. So I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: let's do this. Let's like try and get deep, like
Speaker 2: real quick. And I knew that there would probably be
Speaker 2: like a revolving door of guys that are just trying
Speaker 2: to like get a conversation in before the Row ceremony,
Speaker 2: so I was prepared for that. There was people that
Speaker 2: like like Sean and Aaron S that I talked to,
Speaker 2: and even Michael B that I talked to, and it
Speaker 2: was just like immediately no, like there wasn't like I
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, is there is someone else like anybody else?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Uh, Peter had number one the hype, which I liked.
Speaker 1: And he had the age not to cut you off,
Speaker 1: but you said Michael B. John B John b right, No,
Speaker 1: you're right, But isn't that.
Speaker 4: There's no okay because that show it really was real,
Speaker 4: like yeah, they just seemed like real, like little cute
Speaker 4: guys I like put.
Speaker 2: In my pocket and like and then Aaron s kind
Speaker 2: of had this like almost like this like I just
Speaker 2: got a jail at a jail vibe, but I was like, no,
Speaker 2: I don't really, I don't like that, and the other
Speaker 2: ones I could just put him in my pocket. And
Speaker 2: then there was Peter who seemed to, you know, conversate
Speaker 2: very well. He was seemed intelligent. He was thirty three
Speaker 2: at the time I was thirty four, So honestly, it
Speaker 2: was a no brainer. Yeah.
Speaker 4: With that, just like high far like checklists, most compatible, chemistry,
Speaker 4: most compatible, it sounds.
Speaker 2: Like definitely yeah.
Speaker 4: And honestly, like looking back at your platter of men
Speaker 4: like that, he is the one that if you asked me, like,
Speaker 4: take a guess who she's gonna to give the rest,
Speaker 4: I'd be like, he makes the most sense in my
Speaker 4: mind too, exactly.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you choose, So you choose Pizza, what what
Speaker 1: is your relationship like now? Because for what for for
Speaker 1: I think the viewers and for what we see it
Speaker 1: there doesn't.
Speaker 4: There's yeah, like we do see it's like, is there
Speaker 4: a connection?
Speaker 3: Is it just friendship? Is it romantic? Like fill us in?
Speaker 2: So I think like at this stage of where Peter
Speaker 2: and I are, we're like we're both very interested in
Speaker 2: getting to know each other. We're not part of the
Speaker 2: drama at this point because we're kind of just like
Speaker 2: in on each other and nobody else wants me and
Speaker 2: nobody else wants him at this point, so we're like,
Speaker 2: all right, let's like let's just get to know each other.
Speaker 2: So a lot of the times, you know, we're not
Speaker 2: in the scenes. We're just like chilling in the pool,
Speaker 2: or we're like sharing a meal together, or like I
Speaker 2: love to ask questions, and we're just like getting to
Speaker 2: know each other. What I love about Peter is he
Speaker 2: like he'll like clear my dishes away, or he'll like
Speaker 2: give me a towel, or he'll like he was very
Speaker 2: like just very just polite and like just like an
Speaker 2: overall like good human being. So based off my previous experience,
Speaker 2: it was so nice to have this. It's so nice
Speaker 2: to have this relationship that doesn't feel like there's outside threats.
Speaker 2: Then it's just we can kind of like pack our
Speaker 2: time and get to know each other. So that's that's
Speaker 2: where we're at right now. It's just not dramatic, Okay.
Speaker 4: So it's just like slow and steady, like you're enjoying
Speaker 4: each other's company, getting to know each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then Peter's kind of in the same place you are. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean he was he was a night one person
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you saw like all the
Speaker 1: FP stuff, so it doesn't he doesn't have any friends
Speaker 1: on the beach, I'm assuming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I he kind of like filled me in
Speaker 2: on the FP thing and I was like, I was
Speaker 2: so confused. It took me a little bit of time
Speaker 2: for me to like wrap my head around that and
Speaker 2: be like what, yeah, I know, right, And yeah, so
Speaker 2: I really tried not to let that, you know, affect
Speaker 2: my my like experience, you know. If anything, it made
Speaker 2: me like look at some other people and be like,
Speaker 2: why you really liked it that, like you really kind
Speaker 2: of like went to that like level, Like to me,
Speaker 2: that just seems extremely childish. And all I see out
Speaker 2: of Peter is just like really a good, good human
Speaker 2: being that I don't think would ever heard of fly
Speaker 2: or if he misspoke. I think it was just black
Speaker 2: out a lack of like knowledge and fully knowing what
Speaker 2: he was talking about. And I, you know, I could
Speaker 2: be wrong. I really could be wrong, but I really
Speaker 2: feel like that was just like I'm kind of like
Speaker 2: a misunderstanding or like I don't even know. I really
Speaker 2: try not to focus too much on it. It was
Speaker 2: like a little weird story for him to tell me.
Speaker 2: And I was like almost like I felt like I
Speaker 2: wanted to protect him and and be like, no, Peter's good,
Speaker 2: don't do.
Speaker 1: That is Peter. Is Peter your type or do you
Speaker 1: have a type?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Okay, so we could keep going He's not your type.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming was.
Speaker 4: There anyone that you were interested in meeting coming into Paradise? I?
Speaker 2: Uh so when obviously, when I knew that I was
Speaker 2: going on the beach, the actual beach, I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: I should probably like do a little bit of research
Speaker 2: and see who was on. Like I knew that the
Speaker 2: most previous seasons of certain you know, the shows, typically
Speaker 2: they'll pull people, they have people to come from, you know,
Speaker 2: But I like I didn't have time where the brain
Speaker 2: capacity or the attention spand like watch all the seasons.
Speaker 2: So I just decided to land on, hoping that Blake
Speaker 2: would be there because he's a Canadian. Plus I was
Speaker 2: following like some spoiler accounts that were like trying to
Speaker 2: hint at who was going to end up there, and
Speaker 2: I when I when I saw this guy Blake, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, yeah, he has a kind face and
Speaker 2: actually is just so hot actually, and he's Canadian. So
Speaker 2: I was like, I want to I want to be
Speaker 2: Blake for sure, and I did. I did talk to
Speaker 2: him when I first got there, and not he wasn't
Speaker 2: he didn't give me anything. It was like to the
Speaker 2: point where I was like, Blake sucks, Like Blake stocks
Speaker 2: so bad because I was really trying to be playful
Speaker 2: and like just trying to like kind of break into
Speaker 2: him a little bit. And what I didn't realize is
Speaker 2: Blake is somebody that you have to get to know
Speaker 2: a little bit more before you really truly see how
Speaker 2: amazing Blake is because he's such a great person. But
Speaker 2: at first he doesn't like let you in right away.
Speaker 2: He's got a little bit of this, like especially when
Speaker 2: he's trying to work on this stuff with Jess. So
Speaker 2: like I think I was just like like He's like,
Speaker 2: I'm going to entertain you politely, but I'm not going
Speaker 2: to give you anything to make you think that like
Speaker 2: I'm going to pursue you, or that I'm an option
Speaker 2: for you whatsoever. So I was like, I was like whatever,
Speaker 2: And I ended up apologizing to himself, like, Blake, I
Speaker 2: was talking shit about you, and I realized that You're
Speaker 2: actually such a great dude, and I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 1: So Blake was also kind of someone on the beach,
Speaker 1: just you know, in his own head doing his own thing,
Speaker 1: opposed to like part of a clique, part of a
Speaker 1: group of people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, what is your take on Blake and Jess's relationship?
Speaker 2: To go back on that when you say part of
Speaker 2: a clique, part of a group, No, he was just
Speaker 2: focused on Jess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like yeah, it was it was just yes,
Speaker 2: got it?
Speaker 1: And what's your Yeah, what what is your take on
Speaker 1: on their relationtionship at this point? Because now we do
Speaker 1: see them get back together?
Speaker 4: Yeahah, because we asked. We asked Tanner when he was
Speaker 4: on a few weeks ago. We did like kind of
Speaker 4: a run through of the relationships with Tanner as well.
Speaker 4: And his take at that point was like it seemed
Speaker 4: kind of surface level. It just seemed like, you know,
Speaker 4: they sit together their boyfriend and girlfriend, but like there's
Speaker 4: not a lot going on there. But he's obviously like
Speaker 4: I'm an outsider looking in, you know, I don't know
Speaker 4: their private conversations. Now a lot has happened in the
Speaker 4: last two weeks with Blake and Jess. He went on
Speaker 4: that date. We see them kind of back together. When
Speaker 4: you're on the beach, you're kind of like looking at
Speaker 4: what's going on there.
Speaker 3: What's your take?
Speaker 2: I My take is like on board with it first
Speaker 2: of all, which which is fine. I think the most
Speaker 2: healthy relationships are actually kind of boring at times. I do.
Speaker 2: I don't think they should be Phillip chaos and drama.
Speaker 2: I think the best relationships can be a little bit boring, Okay,
Speaker 2: And maybe that's just their personalities that I was like, Okay.
Speaker 2: I feel like Jess came in with this idea that
Speaker 2: she really wanted to do paradise the way that most
Speaker 2: people do paradise, which is like day a round, and
Speaker 2: I think she was she met Blake and maybe didn't
Speaker 2: necessarily expect Blake to be so into her, and it
Speaker 2: made it harder for her to like pull away and
Speaker 2: want to do Paradise, even if that meant coming back
Speaker 2: to Blake, which is you know what we see. So
Speaker 2: I think she just didn't expect that Paradise experience for herself,
Speaker 2: and I think Blake kind of went in knowing what
Speaker 2: he wanted and so they were playing. They just had
Speaker 2: different expectations of what their experience was going to be,
Speaker 2: and I think that's what's kind of pulled them apart
Speaker 2: and now, you know, circling back around. I think Jess,
Speaker 2: I mean, Jess is like I think Blake is in
Speaker 2: his thirties. I think Jess is still a little young.
Speaker 2: So I think maybe that you know, the age thing
Speaker 2: could be like, you know, Blake might be like, let's
Speaker 2: you know, I'm ready to like find my person sell
Speaker 2: down and just maybe like I'm still I'm here to date. No.
Speaker 2: So I think ultimately that's what it comes down to
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think that. I think that reads.
Speaker 1: I think that makes makes sense. What what are your
Speaker 1: thoughts on the because we've been pretty opinionated on the
Speaker 1: whole Cat John Henry and Olivia situation and where we're
Speaker 1: at now we see John Henry choose this Cat, and
Speaker 1: when I say opinionated, I'm more like these past few episodes,
Speaker 1: it has seemed like Olivia is like John is basically
Speaker 1: saying John Henry like is being manipulated by Cat and
Speaker 1: can't make a decision. But it kind of seems like
Speaker 1: John Henry's into Cat. So I don't know, just like
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on it all?
Speaker 2: So I I love Olivia and I love Cat, and
Speaker 2: it's actually it took me a little bit of time
Speaker 2: to like get to know both of them. But by
Speaker 2: the end of like those are like they're like a
Speaker 2: cough for me. I actually love that Cat went for
Speaker 2: what she wanted. I'm watching that being like go girl
Speaker 2: like almost like I wish I had the balls to
Speaker 2: like do that. And I think it's John Henry's nature
Speaker 2: to be laid back and that he needed someone like
Speaker 2: Kat to come in and be like, I like you,
Speaker 2: I want to pursue this. So I'm letting you know
Speaker 2: if there's any bit of something there, like let's let's
Speaker 2: go in that direction. And I think I don't think
Speaker 2: he's being like manipulated at all. I think there was
Speaker 2: some attraction there to Kat on his end, and now
Speaker 2: he's just getting the green light to like move in
Speaker 2: that direction. I think it's I think it's good. I'm
Speaker 2: I'm I support it.
Speaker 3: To be honest, I agree with you.
Speaker 4: I think he needs he is so laid back. He
Speaker 4: needs someone like a cat. Yeah, passive almost. That's like
Speaker 4: she is taking charge of that relationship and like he's
Speaker 4: not like an innocent vice stand or he's like okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: like I'm down for this too. But she's like this
Speaker 4: is what's happening, and he's like, Okay, let's do it.
Speaker 4: And she needs someone that's chill, like it's a good balance.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But did he did he like Olivia? Because it
Speaker 1: did seem it also did seem like he was into Olivia.
Speaker 2: It did. I came in and like I didn't really see.
Speaker 2: I couldn't. I couldn't see like I can see when
Speaker 2: I'm there. I'm like I can see a cat and
Speaker 2: John Henry and like it makes sense to me. I
Speaker 2: just didn't see the dynamic between Olivia and John Henry
Speaker 2: for me just didn't work. Like it just didn't didn't
Speaker 2: for me, just didn't like make sense from a relationship standpoint.
Speaker 2: Whenever I would like see them as like, to me,
Speaker 2: it's like a friend. Buy Yeah, But I think he
Speaker 2: I think he was definitely like attracted to her, and
Speaker 2: she's amazing and funny and such a great person. I
Speaker 2: just think that. I just think Kat's more is tight,
Speaker 2: okay when it comes down to that. And I don't
Speaker 2: know if he even knew Kat was an option until
Speaker 2: she literally presented herself and was like here here I
Speaker 2: am so I adore Olivia and I feel for her
Speaker 2: going through this because I was in that situation. I
Speaker 2: was in that situation in Canada where I, you know,
Speaker 2: I thought I had something that was going well and
Speaker 2: then seeing someone come in and try and break it down,
Speaker 2: it's such a crappy feeling and I don't I don't
Speaker 2: want anyone to feel like that. I mean, but it's paradise,
Speaker 2: and you.
Speaker 1: Know that's what would be What would be your advice
Speaker 1: is so you were you're saying you were basically Olivia
Speaker 1: in the Canadian situation, correct, what would be your advice
Speaker 1: to her?
Speaker 2: Throw out the trash, literally tie it up and throw
Speaker 2: it away. Just be like, I'm not I'm not going
Speaker 2: to be like a maybe it's like a fes or
Speaker 2: it's a no. So it's like, just gone even if
Speaker 2: even if that means you're not getting rose and you're
Speaker 2: going home, so be it. Let it go. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: like them. I love that. Let them like, let them.
Speaker 3: Like if he wants to go Datecat, like, just let
Speaker 3: him go down.
Speaker 2: Let them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, I like that too. Were you surprised
Speaker 3: and when Brayden gave his rose to Olivia and she
Speaker 3: ends up saying because that was a crazy rose ceremony
Speaker 3: because we didn't know where Tanner's rose was going and
Speaker 3: we didn't know where Braden's rose was going.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm like, damn, like I gotta get
Speaker 2: in with the girls because I am out of the loop,
Speaker 2: like what is happening? And so I was just I think, like,
Speaker 2: I hope they should. I hope they see more of this.
Speaker 2: But my face was like this, I was completely shocked,
Speaker 2: Like what.
Speaker 1: That's kind of fun though, it's kind of fun to
Speaker 1: be in.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, so that you know that, the episode basically
Speaker 1: it's left on a cliffhanger. Michael walks down and he
Speaker 1: he you're one of the girls that he pulls. What
Speaker 1: are you interested in? Potentially going on a date if
Speaker 1: you Pete had this cover any conversation about like exclusivity
Speaker 1: or anything like that.
Speaker 2: So we hadn't We haven't had the exclusivity talk. But
Speaker 2: I told Michael that I would go on the date.
Speaker 2: And I don't think Peter loved that.
Speaker 1: Okay, but what did he? Do you think he knew? Like,
Speaker 1: do you think he did? You think? Are you guys
Speaker 1: on the same page.
Speaker 2: I feel like we had the conversation where I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: if you get off on a date, you should totally
Speaker 2: go because we want to have the full Paradise experience.
Speaker 2: You know, How do you just say that even if
Speaker 2: you don't mean it? But I'm pretty sure sure I said.
Speaker 2: I think I told him. This is terrible. I'm sorry
Speaker 2: I told him that I would go on the date.
Speaker 2: What's happening right now is I remember having I remember
Speaker 2: like backpedaling a bit. I remember being like, that wasn't smart.
Speaker 2: The guys have roses. I just said I'd go on
Speaker 2: a date with somebody else, and I think I remember
Speaker 2: being like, I shouldn't have done that because I don't
Speaker 2: think he liked that answer.
Speaker 4: Mmm, okay, so this is probably the first time like
Speaker 4: you're moving from everything's just casual get to know each
Speaker 4: other's zone with Peter to like you're moving into that
Speaker 4: zone of.
Speaker 3: Like where is this going? What are we doing?
Speaker 2: I kind of wanted to like maybe test that dynamic
Speaker 2: and be like, yeah, I'm gonna go on a date
Speaker 2: and be like you do with that, and then when
Speaker 2: it's like not okay about it, I'm like, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't go yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well now I'm trying to fill you out. I'm
Speaker 1: actually curious. I don't know if you go on this date.
Speaker 1: I want. I want to know because that's why it's
Speaker 1: really between her and Olivia, because the other two seem
Speaker 1: to be in more serious relationships, except for Mercedes because.
Speaker 3: Who knows what kind of Mercedes.
Speaker 1: But the whole beach really wants Olivia to get this date.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm curious. I'm curious to see what happens.
Speaker 4: Okay, while we're chatting about all the other couples, I'm
Speaker 4: loving doing the couple rundown with you, Sam. The one
Speaker 4: couple that I feel like we have the hardest time
Speaker 4: figuring out in this last episode what's going on with
Speaker 4: them is Eliza and Aaron B. We see Kat tells
Speaker 4: e Liza about his ex girlfriend drama they have the
Speaker 4: conbo charity comes down, like so much unfold and then
Speaker 4: Aaron B Is like all in on Eliza and she's like, we'll.
Speaker 2: See yeah, so yeah again. That was like the meme
Speaker 2: where it's like the mathic vision.
Speaker 4: Or like or bored, I don't know what like, or
Speaker 4: you're like trying to put all the pieces together.
Speaker 2: So I didn't pick up on that. I got that
Speaker 2: from Aaron B. Because Aaron B and I would be
Speaker 2: up early in the morning and I'd be like, you know, hang,
Speaker 2: what's up, and he's like not feeling good, not feeling great,
Speaker 2: and like I kind of had to get filled in
Speaker 2: and like, honestly, for me, like ex girlfriends are ex
Speaker 2: girlfriends for a reason, and I understand that maybe he's
Speaker 2: fumbling on the words trying to explain the situation because
Speaker 2: he probably didn't really feel like any of that was
Speaker 2: going to happen. I don't ever want to hear about
Speaker 2: your ex girlfriend. I don't care about your ex girlfriend
Speaker 2: until there's a problem, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 2: so for me, it was like, come on, guys, you
Speaker 2: guys got something great here, like let's like focus on that, like,
Speaker 2: let's just move forward to me. It screams more when
Speaker 2: you're looking for some way out and you're like, you know,
Speaker 2: that's it. I'm like, I'm like changing my whole mindset
Speaker 2: around this situation.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna Okay, so I'm gonna stop you there,
Speaker 1: because that's how that is how I'm reading the situation.
Speaker 1: I feel like almost it almost is starting to seem
Speaker 1: like Eliza's not is into into him and wants a
Speaker 1: way out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Joe's like, I feel like she's considering she
Speaker 3: wants to use this piece of information, this little bit
Speaker 3: of drama, as her way out of the relationship.
Speaker 2: That's the same way that I feel to Ben. Okay,
Speaker 2: yeah I do, And like I think too, when you're
Speaker 2: presented the information from like someone that you don't know,
Speaker 2: and it's in this world where you're like everyone's gonna
Speaker 2: think I'm an idiot, But what really matters is the
Speaker 2: relationship that you have and the person that you are presented. Right, So,
Speaker 2: I think it's hard to see it really for what
Speaker 2: it is, and that if you don't push through that,
Speaker 2: then most likely it is an.
Speaker 3: Out and right, right, yeah, and you know, we do
Speaker 3: see Aaron B.
Speaker 4: Like I don't he did the best job of explaining
Speaker 4: himself necessarily, but I don't think he's necessarily like insanely
Speaker 4: guilty of anything here. And he clearly is fighting for
Speaker 4: the relationship like that, he's trying really hard. He's sending
Speaker 4: her breakfast, he's like reassuring her.
Speaker 3: So yeah, he wants he does.
Speaker 2: He's a man on the beach. He's putting in the
Speaker 2: most work to show her that he cares.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I say, okay, So who would you say as
Speaker 4: a stronger couple then Aaron and Eliza or Avan and Kylie.
Speaker 4: Just from like the outside of perspective at this point.
Speaker 2: Okay, every couple needs to go through adversity. There has
Speaker 2: to be a challenge to get through so that you're
Speaker 2: like stronger. So I would probably say Eliza and Aaron
Speaker 2: B right now, because Kylie and Avan have just had
Speaker 2: like no like everything's just been kind of chill.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I just feel like.
Speaker 2: They're pretty close, like even and Kylie, like there's no drama,
Speaker 2: there's no nothing, So maybe yeah, there's a little bit
Speaker 2: more strength there. Who knows what's going to happen if
Speaker 2: they go through adversity. So I do think that you've
Speaker 2: got to go through something to get stronger. So I
Speaker 2: guess I'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 1: You want to play a game with us?
Speaker 2: I would love to playing game.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's play a game. Anyone, any anything else you
Speaker 1: want to say though, anyone you want to talk about,
Speaker 1: or anything anything you feel is left unset.
Speaker 3: Any drama you want to let out?
Speaker 2: More sam screen time, like come on, like, let's just
Speaker 2: like hump it up, even if it's just like gibbers,
Speaker 2: put me on the screen, put me, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: Love it all right?
Speaker 3: Should we do it? Rapid fire questions? All right, so
Speaker 3: first thing it comes to your mind? Rapid fire?
Speaker 4: Nothing, just all fun, easy questions. Are you more of
Speaker 4: an introvert or an extrovert?
Speaker 2: Extrovert?
Speaker 3: What is your go to paradise cocktail?
Speaker 2: I was drinking blachistotal lines.
Speaker 3: Mmmmm those always end up kind of watered down in
Speaker 3: my opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're right, a.
Speaker 4: Little more soda in line than his vodka. What is
Speaker 4: the first thing you would buy if you won the lottery?
Speaker 2: Oh? Oh g you war him?
Speaker 3: What is your dating deal breaker?
Speaker 2: Rude, rude, rude people.
Speaker 3: M If you could go on any other reality show,
Speaker 3: what would it be?
Speaker 2: Dancing with the Stars?
Speaker 3: Same?
Speaker 2: Is that a reality show?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a reality show.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: What is your love language?
Speaker 2: Words of affirmation? Oh?
Speaker 4: Did Peter give you words of affirmation? He sounds like
Speaker 4: an active service guy the way you described him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah when when I needed it he did
Speaker 2: at times. Yeah.
Speaker 3: What was the first concert you ever attended?
Speaker 2: Adele?
Speaker 3: Oh that's a good one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, first good concert.
Speaker 3: No that you can't just pick the best one.
Speaker 2: Okay, first concert like some forty one? Maybe.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good one.
Speaker 4: That's a good first concert of What is your favorite dessert?
Speaker 2: Uh? Cule.
Speaker 3: What is the most important item to pack for paradise?
Speaker 2: The most important item to pack for paradise myself? Tennor?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I'm dad. What is one thing that
Speaker 3: makes Canada better than the US? Just one?
Speaker 2: Jeez? All of our personalities compared to you. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: Wow, wow does dig at the people? All right?
Speaker 2: Sam?
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 2: So much.
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Speaker 2: Right,