WEBVTT - Vol. 12: Jayson Williams 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.080 Charges. That's created by Portalais and Control Media. It's produced 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:10.760 by dB Podcasts in association with I Heart Radio. This 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:13.960 time a former Son's player who you might remember as 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:16.320 t Rex. More video in just a moment, but this 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:18.840 is Rex Chapman's mug shot and we are learning a 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:22.040 lot more about the charge up the charge? Where did 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:25.480 your desire to own guns come from? I have a disease. 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:28.360 That's the only disease. You can go to jail four 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:32.040 if you ever accidentally killer man, It's never the same. 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:34.920 I went to visit and I was there for twenty 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:38.479 seven months. A lot of things changed from them, and 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:41.360 like I said, with our structure came instruction. Jay, you 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:50.200 had an accident. Stop stop man. Welcome to Charges. I'm 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:54.680 your host, Rex Chapman. Today we speak with former NBA 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:59.680 All Star and my longtime friend, Jason Williams. Jason is 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:04.959 a mental giant, but his reputation unfortunately precedes him a 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:08.680 career in life on top as a professional athlete itself 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:11.319 is a blessing, but in an instant it can all 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:13.560 be taken away. He is a man who would make 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:16.959 backpage headlines during his career as a New Jersey Net 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:19.800 but in retirement, as when he made a splash onto 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:23.000 the front page, he has committed the worst mistake a 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:27.280 person can make, costing someone else their life, albeit accidentally. 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.399 What is not known is the slew of tragedies he 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:34.039 faced throughout his childhood and how he put his family 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:38.680 onto his broad shoulders time and time again through trials 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:42.759 in court and tribulations with addiction. The road has been long, 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:45.839 but Jason is a testament of resilience and I'm proud 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:48.360 to have him on to tell his story of rebounding 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:58.560 in life and for others today this his charges. Jason, 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:01.040 Welcome to the show. We've known each other for a 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:03.600 long time and I love you, my man. Just wanted 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:05.360 to get that out of the way. I feel like 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.960 people know pieces of your story, and you've told me 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:11.080 that you're ready to talk, so let's talk. When was 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:14.880 it clear to you that basketball was gonna be that 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:17.880 thing for you? What age were you and how did 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:20.919 change your life? I believe it or not, Rex, she 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:24.720 you was recruited and uh, you know everybody heard the 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:28.160 Rex Shapman out of New York. We got a lot 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:30.639 of people that played and in that area we had 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:35.960 Derek Coleman, Cherry Mills. Uh, we had Moses story. Uh, 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:41.360 we had Kenny Anderson, Anderson everybody. Yeah, we had everybody, 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:45.679 you know. Uh so I never got invited. It was 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:48.880 a guy named Tom Kachowski. You remember him, like he 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.520 was the guy who wrote down if you get four 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:55.120 stars or three stars or five stars and then right, 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:58.320 and that's what how college was recruited you. If you 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:00.280 got a three stars, you were going to the to 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:03.200 five star or four star. He was going Division one, 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:06.440 five star, you was going into the Big East. So 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:09.040 I would kind of manipulate him and said, hey, man, 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:13.960 once he changed that four to five and uh he said, well, 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:15.680 I tell you what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna get 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:18.480 you in the ABC camp. Remember that Sunny VI Carol. 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:22.480 I went up there and I was an invite owner. 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:24.239 I think it was a hundred people to get invited. 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:26.800 I was a hundred and three. Now, Derrick Coleman was 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:28.840 up there. Your buddy was up there. What you tell 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:32.880 us funny story about him? A little later h J. R. 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:36.839 Reid Um. So he came in as a rookie, as 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:39.760 a senior or sophomore, and I was a senior and 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:44.040 I just said, you know what, I'm gonna let it 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:46.440 have it here. You know, I'm just going I'm gonna play. 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:49.160 I'm a hoop boy. They had some orange uniforms and 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:52.160 gave us free sneakers. First time I ever got free sneakers. 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.400 So I went down to this camp and I had 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.160 a move that goes behind the back and and just 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:00.840 lay it up and I must have averaged third five points. 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:03.200 And I was just remember it was like the movies. 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:06.640 Everybody run into the phone and I had not one. 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:10.320 I did have a letter, uh, and no disrespect to anybody. 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:15.119 It was from Davidson. And I was like, where is Davidson? 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:19.000 And then this is how ignorant I was. After I 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.440 started getting letters. I always wanted to go to u 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.280 c l A. Because I went to high school Kareem 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:27.839 at bul Jabal and I was like, Wow, I'm gonna 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:31.159 go to u c l A. Until I found out 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:36.200 and it wasn't on University of corner of Alexington Avenue. 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:40.520 That's what it didn't stand for c l A. Right, 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.200 I thought it was in Halem. I thought all these 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:47.719 schools was in Halem. So I ended up saying, heck no, 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:52.120 you know, I cannot go to all U c l A. 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:57.040 Because I can't leave my parents. So at this point, um, 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.760 when I got home, there was a hundred letters and 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.120 and I was like, wow, I got something here. I 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:04.839 go home to show it to my daddy. And my 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:08.080 daddy never forgot. He asked you questions how much you're 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:12.200 going to us? And then even though I went from 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.840 never starting a high school game to starting my senior year, 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:18.520 I knew there was only two place I was gonna go, 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.120 Seton Hall or I was gonna go to St. John's 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:25.400 because they were close to each other. And I never 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:27.719 want to leave my parents. Because, believe it or not, 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:29.839 I say it on your show, I say it to 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.839 my teammates and my staff all the time. I watched 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:37.359 The Women as a kid and The Exorcist, and I 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:40.039 slept in my parents bad to I was fourteen. I 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.360 was scared to death. You know. My dad used to say, 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:45.839 damn boy, when your feet stick off the bed more 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:48.080 than I do. You're trying to leave your mama, bad 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:51.960 ain't you? You know he's from the Deep South, doc guy, 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:54.760 you know. But the movie scared the hell out of me. 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:56.920 But it wasn't that. It was that so much things 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:59.400 happened to my sisters that I would never leave the 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:04.000 house to go to a camp without my dad. I've 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:07.240 known Jason Williams for three decades, and he has always 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:10.279 been the kindest man. I want to ask you all 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.839 to try to leave your preconceived notions at the door 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:17.240 for this interview. Whether at St. John's, briefly in Philadelphia, 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:21.240 blossoming in New Jersey, or after his career as a broadcaster, 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:25.000 Jason was always the biggest personality in the room, with 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:27.880 a heart to match. For someone in the spotlight of 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:31.000 as many major networks as Jason was for so long, 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.240 it's a minor miracle that more people were not aware 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:36.560 of what he had to overcome to get to the top. 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.039 Maybe if the public knew what you're about to hear, 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:43.120 things may have ended up differently in the court of 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.600 public opinion, even after a court of law charged him 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:50.480 with reckless manslaughter. I try to never behave as though 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:53.040 I've walked a mile in a man's shoes unless I'm 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:56.159 willing to walk beside them and hear their story from 0:06:56.200 --> 0:07:00.760 its origin. For portions of this podcast list, her discretion 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:06.039 is advised so real quick I grew up on the 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:09.279 Lower East Side of Manhattan. I came home. I was 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:13.240 about thirteen and a half years old. Uh. I was 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:16.080 staying with my sister at the time. We would only 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:20.080 live building. The building depend on how if I missed curfew. 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.200 That means when the lights went on outside, I could 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:25.160 always run over to her house and she would tell 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:27.120 a lot to my dad that I was over there. 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:31.040 But this time it was an awakening. I got out 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:34.440 the elevator, I saw tremendous amount of blood. I looked 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:37.400 down the hallway and the blood got thicker and thicker, 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:41.400 and it led until my sister's apartment when I went 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:45.480 into them. My sister six ft one, she's about a 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:49.640 hundred and thirty pounds. She was a model, a supermodel. 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:55.440 And UH. A guy named Sergio, who I did not 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:57.920 know at the time. I found out his name later, 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:02.240 had stabbed seventeen times. That beat over the face with 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:06.440 a hammer in the bathtub in front of a two 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:10.720 year old son, e J and Uh. That was just 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:15.320 the start of it. Of course, we couldn't find Sir 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:18.840 Joy at that time. My sister was rushed to the 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:24.320 hospital where she received the blood transfusion. They didn't give 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:28.760 it much pain for her face. Uh, they gave it 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:33.360 more pain for her stab rooms was a seventeen and 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:39.280 she got hooked on morphine. But doing that blood transfusion. 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:42.680 I can't prove this, but hopefully this is the reason 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:48.040 because I've never seen my sister do drugs prior. She 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:52.640 came home and we had to take down all the 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:56.479 mirrors out of our house because her face was deformed. 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:01.520 She caught the A virus. He was the first woman 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:04.760 in New York City to catch it. It was something 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:08.440 like if you thought COVID was bad, uh, you times 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:12.280 that by a hundred. And when people don't know what 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:17.079 is going on, they became very, very panic and panic situations. 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.640 I remember going to Bellevue Hospitals. I now never forgive 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:24.760 Bellevue Hospital, um for having my sister come to appointments, 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:30.480 uh doing the service elevators. I never forgive my mother, 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:33.360 who I loved the death, who was dearly departed three 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:38.200 years ago, for each feeding my sister and a has 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.800 Matt suit. Um, you had to have a has Matt 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:43.680 suit on. That's something I never got over. And I 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.520 loved my mother. I never did that. I stayed with 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:49.480 my sister all during visiting hours, and then I would 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.280 walk home, which was about a two mile walk from 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:56.160 Street to the Lower east Side every single night. Sometimes 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:58.400 I stopped at Saint Theresa's and pray for She was 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.280 my best friend. She was the cool sister that will 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:05.600 pull up in uh new Cadillac and Junior High School 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.360 and say she being the passenger side. And all the 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.240 kids that you know used to bullet meal or make 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:14.520 fun of me because I wasn't dressed the right way 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:17.960 because at that time my mother and father split up 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:20.760 and I was living in Henry Street Settlement, which was 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:26.200 a homeless shelterough. So I wore one pair of cut 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.280 off jeans the school with a bomb on. So how 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:32.760 ridiculous did that look in February? But I looked real 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:35.280 cool when I got in the car and fourteen or 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:41.240 thirteen uh and started driving away. So um, but that's 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:44.880 about as good as it gets because we know people 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:49.600 rex who have HIV uh now they just went straight 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.480 to AIGs. Then she was my best friend. We had 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:57.800 plans together. Uh. She gave us back then it was 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:01.160 a milkshake thing, uh, and it was it took man 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:05.079 about five scoops and it took the biggest spoon that 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.400 chopped this thing up and it was a lumps and 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:09.080 you had to give it to her four times. But 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:13.200 she went from a hundred and thirty pounds to forty 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:17.760 one pounds when she died in his five of maybe 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:22.720 six months. Um, that was sad to see. Uh. My 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:26.760 sister sissy, who her name is Laura, but we called 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:30.440 the cissy try to ease the pain, came over and 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:33.400 started hanging out with her. And if you hang out 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:35.840 in the barbershop long enough, you're gonna get a haircut. 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:43.520 So my sister started using drugs with her intravenously, and 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.640 because Sergio decided to come in and rob my sister 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:52.320 and beat her like the way he beat her. I 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:55.959 lost two sisters to the age virus. And like I said, 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.080 it is not like where you can live with stuff 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:01.520 like this for twenty years, twenty five years. Um, this 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:05.200 is something that kills you. In six months, my sister 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:10.280 had a son named e Jane. My sister Laura had 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:14.240 a son named Monique. I was getting ready to go 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:18.000 to college and a couple of years, Uh, it was 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:23.760 a difficult situation for my family. Then right away I 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:26.880 have a sister named Roseanne, who was so beautiful like 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:31.240 my hogany and you know she was just beautiful. She 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:35.439 married an alcoholic, which we were not happy with. Um. 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:41.920 I actually pulled him around back and told him I 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:46.680 was not happy with him married my sister. Uh. He 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:51.800 told me very nicely, because that's the mold I'm in. Rex. 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:54.320 You play with me. I'm nicest guy in the world, 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:56.480 but when it comes to my family and my friends, 0:12:56.880 --> 0:13:03.120 it's for real, especially my sister. So um, he asked me, 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:06.560 and okay me. Uh. Six months later he came up 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:10.280 and had a bad day, took a shotgun out and 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:16.559 blew my sister head off, and then uh shot himself. 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:23.160 I had another brother who was struggling with alcohol abuse 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:27.400 run into a wall that said welcome to South Carolina 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:32.160 on ninety five. Uh. So I've had and I don't 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.200 tell any of this for shock value. I just know 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:42.439 I've had a lot of business in addiction. UM. Myself, 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:46.720 I'm an alcoholic UM, and I have a disease that 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:50.480 tells me I don't have a disease. So at any 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:55.120 given moment, I can end up in an institution, I 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.319 can end up death, I can end up in jail. 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:01.319 And you know what's messed up, X, I have a disease. 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:04.319 That's the only disease you can go to jail for, 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.320 right if you're an attic, you can end up in 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:12.520 jail because you're an attict. Well, Rex, I end up 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:19.840 raising my sister's children, who I legally adopted, And it's 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:23.080 nothing like trying to get a eleven year old girl 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.160 up to go to school and an eight year old boy. 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:29.240 And you're pretty familiar with New York. So I had 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:32.560 to wake up one little boy at five o'clock in 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:35.120 the morning and then take him all the way from 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:40.320 New uh Queens to New York, drop him off of St. Anthony's, 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:44.760 and then get back up, wake rewake my daughter. And 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.040 when they at that ease and kind of getting into 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:49.440 the attitude and you know, they want to hear a 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:56.400 situation and you know, man natural, I was eighteen eighteen, 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:00.280 so um yeah, I took them to school and um 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:04.000 then after school, I had to go to school. So 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:06.960 after I finished school, I would have to go pick 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:10.000 them up one of Manhattan, one of Queen's. Then I 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:13.200 would have to bring him to Luke CORNERSECA who understood this, 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:17.680 and uh, they became ball boys and ball girls and 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.280 you know, doing stuff like that around the gym. Then 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.320 I had to practice. Then I had to go home 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:25.640 help them with their homework, do homework. And not to 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:28.520 call this no saint, but you know I played for St. 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:31.920 John's University. You played for Kentucky. That's all nice. You 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.560 gotta guys got a great program. But you're not in 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:37.440 New York City. You know, you're the You're the colle 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:41.120 tip of town. You know what I'm saying. So right now, 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:43.840 New York had a lot of places to go, a 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.240 lot of people today had the most famous university in 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:48.800 the world. I'm trying to get that done. And only 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:51.560 actorl aid I'll take for the rest of my life 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:55.560 is that after four years of college, my kids miss 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:59.320 five days of school and I got my degree and 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:01.560 I was able to be drafted in the first round, 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:04.760 which is a whole new story. I hope you touched 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.840 on about draft day. I want to ask you something. 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:12.040 You've had so much tragedy in your life, but even 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:14.880 at that young age taking care of your brother sister, 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:22.400 you know you're sisters kids. You've obviously always cared about people. Um, 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.760 how did you manage all of that? Being on your shoulders. 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:29.240 I know sometimes you probably didn't manage it um as 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:32.680 well as you would have liked to. But you're such 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:35.200 a caring person and you you wear your emotion on 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:39.120 your sleeve. Where does that come from? Well, I think 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:42.600 it came from my mother and father splitting up the 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.120 whole time. I had a tragedy with my uncle did 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:49.680 something very terrible to me when you were seven years old? Right, Yeah, 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:52.520 when I was seven years old, he got us drunk 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:57.080 and he really hurt me physically. Uh, and my cousin. 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:02.680 But you know, I never forget good and him making 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.639 me drink two glasses of liquor and get into the 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.720 house and was hung over as a you know, seven 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:11.320 eight year old, and I knew I was in trouble 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:14.919 when I slept on. Uh. We had a room in 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.560 South Carolina, was the regular room that we had a 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.480 good room where furniture was at the plastic on it. 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.600 If you were in that room, you're in trouble because 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:26.439 my grandmama let nobody use that room. You know, that 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:30.280 room was for rehearsal for the choir when they're none 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:34.399 singing behind so um. She told me that it was 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.399 her son who did it that if I was to 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:41.040 tell anybody that my daddy would probably get upset and 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:44.320 kill his brother. And so that was something that I 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:46.320 had to live with and it was a little bit 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:49.040 of chip on my shoulder. But you know what, Rex, 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:51.800 if you asked me how I raised these children, it 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.000 was a family. We have a family that we make 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.879 how the tragedy, We tell good stories. We get around 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:00.439 and we tell the good, the bad and body My 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:03.160 family could tell a story. And it was just like 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:05.800 it's the next person up, and I was the next 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:07.520 person up, and I was about to let them go 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:11.240 to force the care. So I, you know, I took 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:14.080 them on and it was just like nothing. That's fantastic. 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:23.680 With the pick in a draft, the Phoenix start elect 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:30.120 Jason Williams from Thanks John Univers, you heard the round 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:33.879 of a blog. Jason william are quite his basketball at 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:37.680 Saint John Jain a power forward. The question on Jason 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:41.120 Williams was how is this condition? He had an injury foot. 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:43.560 They had to place a pen in his foot surgically. 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:45.760 This was a man who might have been a lottery 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:48.440 pick without that injury to his foot and getting a 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:52.160 pin in the foot. Let me just tell you something 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:55.840 about draft nights that you played there. You remember back. 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:58.960 I didn't go to the to the Madison Square Guard 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:03.480 of Rex. I went to Coach Corner Sector's office and 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:06.439 I would look back. This is the funny story. My 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:09.080 mother and father would sit back before me, behind me. 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:11.480 Now my dad is a really dark skinned black guy 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:15.720 with really white eyes. My mother is white, and I 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.560 would look my My agent told my dad said, look, 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.200 he didn't go anywhere from five to twenty five. All 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:26.120 my dad heard was he going number five. So I 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.240 broke my leg. I broke my Footmall senior year. So 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:34.200 when number five came the Miami heat, my father jumped up, yeah, 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:37.399 and it was like goes to Mark Kessler and my 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:39.520 dad was like still clapping. I was like, Dad, that 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:43.520 ain't be and he and she said, don't worrybody, you'll 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:46.680 be next. This went on. We got the number ten, 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:50.360 don't worry by the son, you'll be next. We got 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:53.840 the number seventeen was the Knicks, so I he knew 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:56.440 I was going there playing at St. John's in New York. 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.520 So the number seventeenth pick came on and said New 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:09.000 York's pick Jim Right, Rod Moust off. So my dad 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:11.040 was like, so I did a double take, right, I 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:14.480 said that it's gonna be all right. It's gonna be 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:16.639 all right. Now look back again. He looked at my 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:19.480 mom and said, babble this something that's gonna had me 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:25.320 laying bridge the rest of my life. So so I 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:27.480 know this is gonna get a little tricky. I try 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:30.399 to let this die down, but hell, they keep losing 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:33.520 my luggage and Phoenix anyway, so I gotta send it 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:38.040 without them knowing. You noticed, uh story, Rex, but a 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:40.800 lot of your listeners might not know. Um. I was 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:43.400 a young man, probably a couple of years younger over 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:47.879 circumstances than than what my age really was. I was 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:50.840 very immature. But I knew on the twenty second pick 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:55.000 I was going to the nets because they called and said, well, 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:57.639 this reed said I'm picking you. So it was at 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:00.800 the twenty first pick at this time, and you know, 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:04.960 back then that was a big deal because they thought 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:06.800 they were getting a lottery pick. Who was hurt that 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:09.840 can they can wait for and they had twenty thousand 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:13.639 people in the stadium. I didn't know that because I 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:18.040 wouldn't paying attention. I didn't know where Phoenix was, and 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:22.280 I damn sure wasn't going there. So they said, the 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:28.480 number twenty one pick goes to Phoenix Suns and I'm 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.639 just having a conversation with coach Connor SCA and they said, 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:34.200 Jason Williams, and we ain't even here because we won't 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:36.639 pay an attention. And then they put a microphone in 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:39.320 my face. They said, hey, Jason, what do you think 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:42.760 about going to the Phoenix Suns. I said, go on, well, 0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:45.640 I say, ain't going to Phoenix. I got the next pick. 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:48.560 I'm going to Philadelphia. They said, no, you got drafted 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:51.920 by Phoenix and culture trying to shake me and I said, 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:56.480 I'm not going to Phoenix. I said, ain't not not 0:21:56.600 --> 0:22:00.679 there but some red neck pickup driving the teeth in 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:05.639 their mouth, having sons of bitches, and the whole stadium 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:11.520 was like and I was like, and that's that. And 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:15.080 then at twelve o'clock that night, the governor put on 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:18.320 a state of emergency that I was a racist. You know, 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:20.640 I didn't even know my mom was right, but I 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:24.240 was just not going. And I went there, and I 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:28.159 never forget Jerry Colangelo giving me an old Raggy Ltd. 0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:31.879 And giving subjects a battas a night, hell night, brand 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:34.199 new Cadillac. So I took the car up into the 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:37.080 parking lot up in the on the mall and I 0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:39.879 smashed it up and I put it back down and 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:41.280 I said, I bet you I get a car like 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:45.200 them all. And uh. The next day I went outside 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:47.080 and they had one of them little grand damns, you 0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:50.520 remember them, little party act. It was three times more 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:54.440 than that. Barnaby Jones called and and on the sticker 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:57.919 on the window and said, maybe the other car was 0:22:57.960 --> 0:23:01.920 too big. This might help him. So I'm not gonna 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:04.639 boy you going into what I had to do and 0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:08.320 destroy their officers. But they end up trading me to 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:10.439 the Philadelphia seventy six is And I just made that 0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:13.200 long story to tell you that subjects A Battles called 0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:15.560 me and said, man, it was thirty year anniversary. And 0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:18.560 I just like you, glad. Did you like that cold 0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:22.920 money in Philadelphia? Because one for you, I'll be out 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:29.440 the league. That's right. Um, you got so many interests. 0:23:29.880 --> 0:23:34.600 You're just fascinating, so much emotional intelligence. JA I gotta ask, 0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:38.159 did you love basketball or do you play? Because you 0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:42.880 were sized and athleticism. That's a good question, right, at times. 0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:47.480 I love. My dad got me my CDL license when 0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:49.520 you can sign off on it. But then in two 0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:52.960 thousand I had to retake the test side CDL that's 0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:56.280 commercial drivers license has Matt we My dad had a 0:23:56.320 --> 0:24:01.000 trucking company. He had a gas station and construct your company. 0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:04.679 So I build most of my friends their homes, um 0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:08.159 their foundations, and they take it from there. But you 0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:12.040 people don't know this Rex that every morning I had 0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:16.800 to wake up at four forty four, my dad had come. 0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:21.160 We had a big farms, about seven animals. I had 0:24:21.200 --> 0:24:25.199 to feed up and it was pretty much now I 0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:28.840 know why. He'd be like, Jake, count them goats, and 0:24:28.920 --> 0:24:32.280 I'd be like, God, the goots right, and then be like, 0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:36.960 I mean one to eighteen. I make up a number 0:24:37.240 --> 0:24:39.680 right there. I try to remember what happened two days ago, 0:24:39.960 --> 0:24:41.639 and I'd be like, eighty four hen, like you're a 0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:46.760 damn lie. He said they had a kid. That's what 0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:49.600 you call a little goat. Last night he gonna count 0:24:49.640 --> 0:24:52.600 them again, and I'll be like, hell, what eighty four one? 0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:54.960 It's fine, But you can't never talk like that my dad, 0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:59.560 because um, my dad wants put some lad in my 0:24:59.640 --> 0:25:03.800 brother for drinking because he didn't tolerate drinking. Put a 0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:07.280 little twenty two and is behind. But um, he did 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:10.159 that because he knew I needed accountability to get up 0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:13.040 in the morning. My dad knew I had to stay busy. 0:25:13.520 --> 0:25:16.280 And what happened to me in my life, Rex is 0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:21.399 that when I lose my structure, soon came destruction. So 0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:23.919 even to today, if I don't get up in the 0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:27.680 morning and get to the weight room, I don't get 0:25:27.720 --> 0:25:30.760 up in the morning and get myself together, I'm a 0:25:30.800 --> 0:25:34.639 hot mess and it doesn't work. It never changes, you know. 0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:37.119 My dad knews that. He used to say, let me 0:25:37.160 --> 0:25:40.680 tell you something about your son, Barbara. He said, that's 0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:47.360 something bit reflicted. She needs to stay busy. The way 0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:51.679 that Jason has overcome and persevered. I mean, my goodness, wow, 0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:54.800 taking blow after blow and coming out on the other 0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:58.600 side from such a young age as all inspiring in hindsight. 0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:02.600 His selflessness was his greatest asset, but may have been 0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:06.040 as achilles heel as well. He give and give, but 0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:10.879 how much was left for himself and his craft? His will, efforts, 0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:14.359 and desire carried him to a sea of riches, but 0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:17.680 the shallow end of his eternal pool was draining dangerously 0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:23.080 low to the bottom. You know, you were so crucial 0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:27.359 to your team winning your averaging thirteen and thirteen and 0:26:27.560 --> 0:26:30.479 an All Star. You signed a big deal for you know, 0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:34.360 ninety million dollars. I want the listeners to know how 0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:36.760 important it was to have a guy like you who 0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:39.840 was great at what you did, and how did your 0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:45.960 life change when you signed that deal. Well, I was 0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:48.400 doing pretty good before. I was building a nice house. 0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:50.840 My dad built me a mega house. You probably go 0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:53.600 on cribs and find it, but he built it himself. 0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:58.720 What it did was i'mna quite honest. It probably took 0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:02.040 the fire out of me um a little bit. And 0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:04.040 but the one of what it does do Rex, You 0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:06.280 know that because it happened to you the whole time, 0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:09.240 because color of your skin. And then you came out 0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:11.840 playing and use such a high lottery pick. Theres so 0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:15.199 much hopes for I came in backing up Derrick Coleman 0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:18.719 and being the backup and coming and out play those guys, 0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:21.760 and you can get the headlines. But it's a difference 0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:26.000 whout the rabbit got the gun right. It's a difference 0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:28.840 when you know it's no fun when the rabbit got 0:27:28.840 --> 0:27:32.120 the guns. So when you is the man who's supposed 0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:35.440 to win, now you're taking the winds and the losses, 0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:38.359 but you know everybody expect you to win and get 0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:41.800 these numbers. It seemed like everybody was focusing more on 0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:45.600 me in the pre game the other teams, and it 0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:47.400 was tougher and tougher, and they was like, hey, man, 0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:50.800 keep them offensive. Off the board had three or four 0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:53.359 people checking me out. I think what hurt me the 0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:57.160 most was when we had the all the lockout season 0:27:57.960 --> 0:28:00.720 and we came back and nobody was ready. Well I 0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:03.800 wasn't ready, you know. I was still like hemn being 0:28:03.800 --> 0:28:06.280 no season and I'm gonna do what I do best. 0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:09.200 You know, I'm coming on with three o'clock in the morning. Um. 0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:12.399 And I thought that I could move out of the 0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:17.800 way of us, you know, Stephon Marbury who uh steff 0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:20.400 On Malbury. Uh, you know he had this big old 0:28:20.440 --> 0:28:23.680 head and I planned to go up and Mutumbo knocked 0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:27.320 him into my knee and the first year, first year, 0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:31.280 first year, sixteen games in the contract and broke my 0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:33.639 leg and I never really played again. I tried to 0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:36.720 make a comeback three years later, and then you conversate 0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:39.680 on one leg and your break the fifth metal TOSSU 0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:44.480 which gets no blood, and the other. But as far 0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:49.280 as making the money, it's more important to keep in 0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:52.600 the locker room. What happened was we had a good 0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:55.880 locker room until we got certain people. See, I had 0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:59.000 one of these owners. God blessed him. He died, but 0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:02.080 he had the idea that, you know, trainee Sam Casale, 0:29:02.400 --> 0:29:04.520 who you know is great in the locker room, to 0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:08.400 step on Marlbury. Um. And me and Marlbury didn't get along. 0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:11.520 We didn't see eye to eye and he didn't see 0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:14.520 eye eye with a lot of teammates, and it just 0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:18.560 brought the morale now for me. My um. But uh, 0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:21.000 I just thought that was it, and it just I 0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:23.280 loved well. I love basketball. You asked me a question 0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:26.800 that I love playing. I love construction and driving trunk more. 0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:30.920 But I loved when we won, and I loved when 0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:33.640 I was in the meadowlands and had those fans. Matter 0:29:33.640 --> 0:29:36.320 of fact, I had a season ticket. All the season 0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:38.600 ticket holders was allowed to come to my house once 0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:41.840 a year, which was about five thousand, and I get 0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:44.760 the norm and hang out. I love the camaraderie. I 0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:48.640 love seeing people smile and feel good actually playing the game. 0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:51.600 You really had to poke the bear uh to get 0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:54.240 me going. So I played hard every day. And because 0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:56.840 hustle is the talent I tell these kids all the day. 0:29:57.200 --> 0:29:59.640 You know, hell, you know no bigger talent than diving 0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:03.160 on lo balls, grabbing offensive rebounds, which I think I 0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:06.440 don't think anybody has broken that record. And um and 0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:09.800 and just going out and and taking charges, and nothing 0:30:09.840 --> 0:30:13.360 worse or nothing better than grabbing the offensive rebound and 0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:15.680 throw it back to Sam and he missing it, and 0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:17.440 go and get another one, throw it back to Sam 0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:19.440 and then he make it and and he makes all 0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:21.959 the rest, you know. And I love that when just 0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:25.120 love making people feel good. But when you get some 0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:27.760 bad apples on the team, you know that, when you 0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:30.800 get some dudes on the team. And I was this guy. 0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:32.959 I was always the enforcer in the locker roo. I'm 0:30:32.960 --> 0:30:35.240 be like looking at man, you say thank you for 0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:38.280 the person picking up the tower, you say thank you 0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:42.200 for the to the ball boys, and you quit moping 0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:45.760 around here because you're making twenty million dollars. Look, when 0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:48.720 we had to strike, I paid every single person that 0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:51.800 worked in the in the meadowlands so all these people 0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:56.560 are serving popcorn union workers all that I paid. You know, 0:30:56.680 --> 0:30:59.280 I paid them because they were missing for the games. 0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:01.800 You know these other guys that come in and you know, 0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:04.520 reach over at the popcorn makeup and just snack some 0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:08.160 popcorn out their hand. Not all these guys, just one idiot. 0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:12.000 Uh and Uh, I said, hey man, he gotta pay 0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:15.160 for that popcorn. When you get back, you know you're 0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:17.280 gonna get up and pay for it. Was literally times. 0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:19.800 Then I will stop and called time out when I've 0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:22.680 seen it and make him go into the room and 0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:25.000 get some money and paid them. So that's the kind 0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:27.800 of program I ran there. Um and it was good 0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:30.800 when we had good people. You know, Jason, you if 0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:33.640 I had one word, if somebody said, you know, describe 0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:36.880 Jason Williams to me as a basketball player, my uh 0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:42.000 answer is always relentless. You were just relentless and that's 0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:45.200 what made you such a great teammate. You. So you've 0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:48.440 broken your leg and at this point you've talked with 0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:51.480 the doctors you try to make a comeback. Uh, you've 0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:54.440 kind of decided it's not gonna happen. Did there come 0:31:54.480 --> 0:31:57.240 a point where you thought your life was spiraling out 0:31:57.240 --> 0:32:00.960 of control. You know what happened. I went to school 0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:04.360 at St. John's University. I got remember degree and I 0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:07.200 used it right away. It was communications and liberal hearts. 0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:10.800 I jumped right into NBC and I was Charles Barkley 0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:14.680 and uh, what's the guys straight hand before straight hand? 0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:17.600 And all these guys didn't that stuff. Yeah, I was 0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:19.719 on NBC and I was making it fun and I 0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:22.840 never gave stats. I love it when Shaquille and all 0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:25.040 these guys got up there go, well, we're gonna get 0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:28.720 eighteen point seven rebounds. Who the hell knows how many 0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:31.720 gonna get eighteen point seven? And that the viewer care 0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:34.360 if you don't want to hear about, you know, a 0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:37.360 funny story like we've been telling tonight. Right, I can't 0:32:37.400 --> 0:32:39.280 tell you who're gonna win the damn game, And neither 0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:42.800 kid anybody on that panel. Right. So I kept lively 0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:44.840 and we were number one. Man, we were number one 0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:47.640 at that time. When you start playing bad, don't you 0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:52.360 notice disrect you start getting more and more people around you. 0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:55.800 You know, misery loves company. Yeah, so all of a sudden, 0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:58.360 you know, the core people like the wrong rutledges and 0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:02.720 uh my brother and the George Patters and the Daniel Shays. 0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:05.560 All the guys that were close to me would say, hey, 0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:08.600 j it's eleven thirty. We got one tomorrow, we got 0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:11.200 a game. Time to go, you know, finish that up. 0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:14.440 And then I look around. You see a pretty girl, 0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:16.080 you see something and be like then, but then you 0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:17.960 see a whole bunch of other guys and they'll come 0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:20.840 over to you, send you a drinking and say, hey man, 0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:24.360 you ain't got to go. You're doing what you do. 0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:27.520 The team sucks, you know, And then all the sunnen 0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:32.200 you get a bigger group of people hanging out with you, 0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:36.400 and your core people leave. Now you don't know that 0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:40.360 team of people that's around you. Now they have a 0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:43.880 group of people around them rex now before and they 0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:46.440 have a group. So before you know what, you're sitting 0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:49.280 up in the club and you with thirty people you 0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:52.600 don't know, and your core group is gone. And then 0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:55.200 all the sudden, you got some people crea because they 0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:58.440 got a plan. They create drama in the club. And 0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:01.120 then when big guy comes over and he tries to 0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:04.240 put it out so he could move up in status, 0:34:04.880 --> 0:34:07.640 uh and beside and before you knew it, you're lost. 0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:12.000 And that's what happened to me. I became lost, and 0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:16.759 it was because at this point I was crying in 0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:18.680 my milk. At that point, I'm crying in my milk 0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:21.600 now when I get sad. Before I was crying in 0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:25.600 about a Scotch And that's dangerous. And then you know, 0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:27.600 you have a house for the people and a lot 0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:30.200 of things gonna go wrong. And I think the biggest 0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:33.080 thing that happened to me was I got too big 0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:37.640 for my bridges. First of all, Um, I started trusting 0:34:37.719 --> 0:34:43.279 in everyone else instead of trusting in God first and 0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:46.919 then trusting in my core people. And like I said, 0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:50.120 with our structure came instruction, and I was just like, 0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:53.040 you know what, I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that. 0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:55.319 I'm just gonna be Hollywood hell with that. And I 0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:57.520 had the best job as the highest paid guy. He 0:34:57.600 --> 0:35:00.440 was on the way to win an enemy. UH rememby 0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:04.400 thirty one and then uh I had I had an 0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:08.040 accident that I recklessly caused and and recklessly ran away 0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:11.800 from and and I had to uh and I'm deeply 0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:15.040 sorry to Mr Kristaphi and his family, and I had 0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:18.239 to go. I went to prison and I was there 0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:21.640 for twenty seven months, and uh, a lot of things 0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:24.440 changed from then. Let me ask this, where did your 0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:27.480 desire to own guns come from? Look, I'm from Kentucky, 0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:30.399 so I know gun culture. Um, but you're a guy 0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:33.399 from New York with a construction background. How did all 0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:36.319 these guns end up at your house? Well, I'm gonna 0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:39.799 tell you two things, and it's honest truth. First of all, 0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:44.440 I had skeep machines. If you watch MTV crib, you 0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:46.959 know I had skeep machines. I grew up in South 0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:49.719 Carolina for a while, so we would do you know, 0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:55.120 clay shootings. So all the guns in my house, you know, shotguns, 0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:58.240 So they were all for clay machines. Uh. The problem 0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:01.759 I had was leaving them uh locked at times, and 0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:04.480 the trusting people to put them back. What happened that 0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:06.719 night there was a shell in the gun. I'm not 0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:09.960 gonna blame it. It was my gun. I own it. Uh, 0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:12.879 I did not mean to. I did not know Mr 0:36:12.880 --> 0:36:14.600 can stop feeds in the room. The gun went off, 0:36:14.719 --> 0:36:16.840 hit him and killed him in called nine one. I 0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:22.640 panic ran away. It's something that's going to follow me 0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:26.560 for the rest of my life. But it's and I'm 0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:31.000 sorry your use of alcohol has gotten you into a 0:36:31.040 --> 0:36:36.759 lot of trouble. Obviously, alcohol and guns don't fix that's 0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:39.400 gotten you where you are today. But where you go 0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:42.640 from today, how you handle the rest of your life, 0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:46.040 it's entirely in your hands, and you're gonna choose your 0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:50.680 own path. So with regard to these matters, on the 0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:53.760 charge of hindering apprehension, which is the third degree crime, 0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:56.919 on the charge of tampering with that with witnesses, which 0:36:56.960 --> 0:36:59.760 is also a third degree crime. On each of those matters, 0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:01.720 of the be a five year term in state prison. 0:37:03.600 --> 0:37:08.360 On the count the fourth degree account of aggravating assaulted, 0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:11.000 it will be an eighteen month term eighteen months to 0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:14.960 be served without parole. The council will run concurring to 0:37:15.000 --> 0:37:18.160 each other. So it's a net aggravate term of five 0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:20.840 years in state prison eighteen months to be served without parole. 0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:24.480 To my family, please for give me for the pain 0:37:25.760 --> 0:37:31.040 that I cause to you my children. Did you deserve 0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:39.680 a better father, son, brother than I have been? Judge 0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:44.960 Coleman and the Christopher family. Not a bad man, but 0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:49.640 I actually active battling on right fourteen. I will work 0:37:49.920 --> 0:37:54.520 endlessly to prove myself to continue to help others and 0:37:54.600 --> 0:38:00.040 again make positive contributions and our society. That's who I 0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:03.040 am and that's who I want my daughter to be 0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:08.120 proud of. When you get a wrong group of people 0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:11.360 around you, Rex, and this happens to a lot of 0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:14.360 NFL guys and a lot of guys who an NBA, 0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:17.719 who have a posse. When you don't have your original 0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:21.880 posse no more who know that you can do what 0:38:21.920 --> 0:38:24.120 you can do and gonna tell you the way it is. 0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:31.520 You start owning guns because nobody's gonna rob us in 0:38:31.560 --> 0:38:35.360 the club. Rex, We're spending money, we got more security, 0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:39.399 more bouncers. They're gonna make sure you're gonna be all right, 0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:42.840 and nobody wants that publicity. Plus I'm from New York City. 0:38:43.160 --> 0:38:47.400 I can handle myself. Everybody in the city that we'll 0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:52.640 do something like that has the much most respect for me. Um. 0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:55.440 It becomes where you hold guns because you're hanging out 0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:59.640 with people who know your intimate secrets right, and you 0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:02.520 because your secrets right. So you have a gun and 0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:05.440 you're just letting them know you see this, you know, 0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:09.000 and it ain't for you know, uh t bone or 0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:13.000 salve or Anthony to come take your money. It's for 0:39:13.880 --> 0:39:17.399 the inner group going, Hey, man, you been not telling 0:39:17.400 --> 0:39:19.239 nobody what time we were out do and what we 0:39:19.280 --> 0:39:21.879 was doing, and bet not tell about that goat and 0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:25.080 and uh, you know all these kind of craziness um 0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:27.719 and that and not be honest with you. That's the 0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:32.399 true answer. And that's why athletes carry guns. We don't 0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:34.560 carry guns. Who the hell are we you We're gonna 0:39:34.560 --> 0:39:36.520 shoot our way out the club. It's just for the 0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:39.120 inner circle that we don't trust that tell us how 0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:42.400 good we are. And no, damn, well my daddy say this, 0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:49.200 love many trust ifew pat of your own damn canoe nice? 0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:53.719 I love your dad. I've never met him. Uh. They 0:39:53.880 --> 0:39:57.600 sound like an unbelievable man. Hey, to share this stuff 0:39:57.719 --> 0:40:01.120 is huge. Um. I've heard you talk about the people 0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:04.440 around you and your behavior the night of the shooting, 0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:07.080 and I've heard you say you acted like a coward. 0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:10.920 But now that you're sober, clean, you've had all this time, 0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:13.680 do you even feel like that was you? Or was 0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:17.000 that some other version of yourself where you're just broken 0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:19.640 at this point? Uh, you know want something when you 0:40:19.680 --> 0:40:22.560 hear this and you just see nothing and you see 0:40:22.600 --> 0:40:27.799 somebody hit the ground, You're like, your first is to 0:40:27.960 --> 0:40:32.000 protect yourself, I guess, and me run. I never remember this, 0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:34.799 jumping in the swimming pool, coming back button naked and 0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:39.719 you know, but I remember watching not in less than 0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:43.439 ten seconds, calling and I remember coming back. Everybody's trying 0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:47.000 to tell a story, like probably including myself. I think 0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:50.319 I was selfish. I think um, if I was with 0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:54.399 the right crew, it was Ron Rutledge, my brother, any 0:40:54.480 --> 0:40:56.279 one of the group that helped me get to where 0:40:56.280 --> 0:41:01.719 I am, Danny Mizelle's, uh Joe and Mike Kaiser. I 0:41:01.719 --> 0:41:03.480 would have been in a situation where he said, Jay, 0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:08.440 you had an accident. Stop stop man. What happens is 0:41:09.480 --> 0:41:13.239 you just panic. You're going to shock And if you 0:41:13.400 --> 0:41:16.480 ever accidentally killing man, it's never the same. You know, 0:41:16.520 --> 0:41:18.960 you're taking something from everything he got and everything he's 0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:22.120 gonna app And sometimes when I'm having a real good time, 0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:25.600 I just stopped laughing and I love to laugh, and 0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:29.880 I go, damn, I did something that could have been avoidable. 0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:33.319 I was reckless. Jay. You said you think about the 0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:37.919 accident and the mistake every day. At the time, you said, 0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:40.080 you've gone to Mr Chris stuff he's grave more than 0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:43.040 your own father's. Uh. Do you think the weight of 0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:49.160 that mistake led to probably even more alcohol abuse or 0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:52.360 do you think once you've crossed a certain point with drinking, 0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:54.839 you were just an alcoholic and someone who like me 0:41:55.520 --> 0:41:58.840 would be in recovery for the rest of your life. Well, 0:41:59.120 --> 0:42:03.279 I think it's the ripple effect. It's the effect that 0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:05.440 when you get out of jail, you said, look, I 0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:11.359 paid my debt to society, I'm out, NBA, you will 0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:14.600 help me. Uh. Not that you needed resources, but you 0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:17.759 want to get back with the camaraderie, that's right. Uh, 0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:21.759 And people go, oh, I can't touch you night, Gonna 0:42:21.800 --> 0:42:25.000 need a little time. Well it's been twenty years later, 0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:29.320 and about five years ago now the NBA letters partner 0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:32.719 up with them, uh to have a center where we 0:42:32.760 --> 0:42:35.800 can help people in anxiety, depression and drugs and alcohol 0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:41.920 and um, that's where I'm at right now. Jason Williams 0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:45.880 alcohol once controlled every aspect of his life. However, for 0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:48.920 the last twenty seven months that's no longer been the case. 0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:52.520 Williams battled alcoholism for years. He came down to Palm 0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:54.759 Beach County for treatment and to get help through the 0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:58.080 advice of his friend Charles Oakley. Now he's helping others. 0:42:58.239 --> 0:43:01.160 For fifty three year old Jason William this is just 0:43:01.360 --> 0:43:04.600 another day at the office, his office. You see, it's 0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:09.440 actually a rehabilitation program which uses adventure sports to joke 0:43:09.560 --> 0:43:14.839 addicts out at their bad head. Be honest with you, 0:43:15.680 --> 0:43:17.800 I'm very, very good through the grace of God and 0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:21.520 getting people better. Probably the highest in the country, jumping 0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:25.920 out of airplanes, uh, scuba diving with our therapists and psychiatrists. 0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:28.960 With us, we do nineteen different crazy outdoor activities and 0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:32.880 then boom, we go right into our treatment. And you know, 0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:35.919 we're out from six o'clock in the morning until eight 0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:38.440 o'clock at night. And people exhaust, they lose weight, they 0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:42.279 gain muscle, build self esteem, breakdown barriers. It's like no 0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:45.520 other program in the country that does this. And I 0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:47.759 have to be there seven days a week, so it 0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:51.680 keeps me accountable. But be honest between me and you, Rex, 0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:56.879 what it does is it deflects. For right now, it 0:43:57.000 --> 0:44:02.120 keeps my mind off for the awful things that I 0:44:02.239 --> 0:44:06.319 have done. And guess when I get home, I'm so 0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:11.080 tired that I go to sleep and then tomorrow, Rinch 0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:16.280 Wash repeat every day, Rinch Ross repeat. But like I said, 0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:22.640 it's about the program that people say, well, Jason stuck 0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:26.399 down there. You know, we get the toughest cases. And uh, 0:44:26.520 --> 0:44:29.239 because I'm a warning on example, how many people have 0:44:29.320 --> 0:44:33.279 been through the things that I've been through, So you know, 0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:36.560 not only with our psychiatrists and our coaches and all 0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:39.880 the people. Look, look we got your man Mike Jaminski 0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:43.000 down here, and right now, he came down and he's 0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:46.160 on one year sober, and much as he wanted to 0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:48.960 be on this show today he goes, look, I'm teaching 0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:50.880 that one of the two class. And you know he 0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:53.840 told me three months ago he says, I found my calling, 0:44:54.760 --> 0:44:57.439 you know. So as much as he's on CBS, man 0:44:57.600 --> 0:45:00.520 Mike is working down here with us. Um, we have 0:45:00.680 --> 0:45:03.200 had some of them, you know, and we don't get 0:45:03.200 --> 0:45:07.319 the easy cases because it's hard to get somebody who 0:45:07.400 --> 0:45:11.439 hasn't hit their rock bottom. You know. It's easy when 0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:13.799 we get the guy that says, well, I'm down there 0:45:13.840 --> 0:45:15.960 for d w I and the judge said, look, he 0:45:16.000 --> 0:45:18.880 ain't there for sixty days calling me You're going to 0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:22.759 jail right. Uh. But when you get somebody who has 0:45:22.800 --> 0:45:25.960 an endless amount of resources. You have to be very 0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:30.000 clever to find something to leverage them with um and 0:45:30.040 --> 0:45:32.399 most of the time is finding their purpose. And that's 0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:36.440 where the skills life. You know, your skills, ability and 0:45:36.520 --> 0:45:39.080 going this way, and the and and the the abilities 0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:41.719 of the world are going. You know this way, the 0:45:41.800 --> 0:45:44.640 needs of the world. Skills and ability going this way, 0:45:44.680 --> 0:45:46.239 and the needs of the world going this way. That's 0:45:46.239 --> 0:45:49.200 your purpose. My purpose is getting up every morning help 0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:51.239 with somebody. When did you know you were gonna do this? 0:45:51.719 --> 0:45:54.960 I didn't because you know what happened. I wasn't going 0:45:55.000 --> 0:46:00.399 to treatment. So you know it took Charles Oakley UH 0:46:00.400 --> 0:46:02.720 and Curtis Martin. Now they came up to a cabin. 0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:05.560 And you know how the brothers are right. The brothers 0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:08.120 buy a range Rover and it ain't for a range Rover, 0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:11.320 you know. They buy a range Rover and put white 0:46:11.320 --> 0:46:14.799 interior in it. So oak brings up to this. I 0:46:14.920 --> 0:46:19.200 bought it, uh from Jennifer Lopez and her husband. I 0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:21.120 bought a cabin on the top of the hill, and 0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:24.719 I had the resentments four in the Big book, you know, 0:46:24.920 --> 0:46:28.120 f everybody you know, and I'm a lift here read 0:46:28.200 --> 0:46:31.759 watering on the on and the hell with everybody. And 0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:35.719 after sixteen days it was like red rum. I was 0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:38.000 drinking a gall on the liquor. You know, you came 0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:41.239 in there looked like the shining. So they came up 0:46:41.280 --> 0:46:43.880 to do an intervention along with with Chris Mother. They 0:46:44.000 --> 0:46:46.759 never want to leave Chris House and Chris Heron and 0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:50.320 all these guys that have helped me. But when Oakley 0:46:50.440 --> 0:46:55.160 came up, you know, he came up with something behind 0:46:55.200 --> 0:46:57.719 his back because he was mad. Because when you get 0:46:57.760 --> 0:47:01.080 out of this white interior, brand new Alexis, he was 0:47:01.120 --> 0:47:04.319 on clay and mud, right, and now you know he's 0:47:04.320 --> 0:47:08.759 on dirty his truck Arraine droping that meant to be dirty? Uh. 0:47:08.800 --> 0:47:12.719 And then we go inside with Curtis and Curtis, I 0:47:12.840 --> 0:47:15.399 give you, Jane, you know what you got to do. 0:47:16.400 --> 0:47:21.799 What would Jesus do? Right? And I will watch him. 0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:25.000 He's in front of me. Look over my shoulder. Now 0:47:25.040 --> 0:47:29.000 from being in prison, somebody look over your shoulder, You 0:47:29.040 --> 0:47:32.680 look back, you know. So I look back and and 0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:35.120 Oka put something behind his back. I said, what the 0:47:35.160 --> 0:47:37.960 hell he got by his back? Now I'm drunk, I'm 0:47:38.000 --> 0:47:40.680 doing it. They're doing an intervention I'm drinking the gall 0:47:40.760 --> 0:47:44.239 of the moonshine. I'm really drunk. So the next time 0:47:44.320 --> 0:47:46.640 he did it and looked over his shoulder, I looked 0:47:46.680 --> 0:47:49.600 back and hit it again. I didn't deva take and 0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:53.239 Oak had illuminum back and he said, look, man, you're 0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:56.600 going to treatment. And Curtis was like, what would Jesus do? 0:47:56.840 --> 0:48:00.759 And what would Jesus do? Had a lot less on 0:48:00.920 --> 0:48:04.200 me then with when Oak with this big baseball back 0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:09.040 looming them back, so I said I I'll go. And 0:48:09.120 --> 0:48:11.800 he had a cop like you know, like like Reggie, 0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:15.960 you know, Bucky. Then Greg Nettles, you know he's ready 0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:18.640 hit me. Um, and they got me down the treatment 0:48:19.360 --> 0:48:23.479 and I never forget asking Oak, was you really gonna 0:48:23.520 --> 0:48:26.200 hit me with that baseball back? He said all day long? 0:48:27.160 --> 0:48:29.520 And I said, well, have you ever hit anybody with 0:48:29.600 --> 0:48:32.279 looming the baseball back? Because I want to know how 0:48:32.320 --> 0:48:36.719 you gauge that? Is it a full swing? It's a 0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:40.720 little tap? You know? What was the games? He said? Jason, 0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:43.239 I was gonna hit your ass until you got in 0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:46.680 the truck and we got you the Florida. I went 0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:50.280 down and after thirty days, see I go again. Jason, 0:48:50.320 --> 0:48:54.680 me and Jason coming back, going I'm out, let's go 0:48:55.320 --> 0:48:58.400 give me a job, you know, let's let's have fun 0:48:58.560 --> 0:49:01.960 back on television, and that anybody said, huh, man, you 0:49:02.040 --> 0:49:05.359 gotta go back. And I went back, and you know, 0:49:05.719 --> 0:49:08.600 I volunteered out a couple of places and didn't have 0:49:08.680 --> 0:49:10.920 the energy that I needed and didn't have the outdoor 0:49:11.000 --> 0:49:14.360 venture therapy and because that stuff builds his steam and 0:49:14.400 --> 0:49:16.920 it loses weight, and you know, it's just it's just 0:49:17.280 --> 0:49:21.520 a tremendous program that I end up saying, Okay, I'm 0:49:21.520 --> 0:49:23.759 gonna stay here for a year. And now it's six 0:49:23.840 --> 0:49:27.719 years later and rebound and still going strong. And you 0:49:27.760 --> 0:49:31.560 know what happens rex Sometimes you get in the knucklehead. Man. 0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:34.080 I got some knuckleheads that come in, especially the players. 0:49:35.200 --> 0:49:38.680 You know, God, you know it's hard for a player 0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:41.839 to come in because we're taught out to surrender. Man. 0:49:41.840 --> 0:49:44.160 Oh man, ain't got no problem. Man. I smoke a 0:49:44.160 --> 0:49:47.680 little reef forever at once, oh while, you know, and 0:49:47.680 --> 0:49:49.759 then I go, okay, man, pe in this cup and 0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:53.000 the light up like a Christmas tree, you know, and 0:49:53.040 --> 0:49:57.000 then you go look man, and then they're go okay, yeah, man. 0:49:57.320 --> 0:49:59.560 I had that one night and this and that, and 0:49:59.600 --> 0:50:03.200 then you three days later you see everybody wearing the 0:50:03.280 --> 0:50:06.839 Rebound shirt, which means more to me, or as much 0:50:06.880 --> 0:50:09.440 to me as them getting better, because that means that 0:50:09.520 --> 0:50:12.200 they released the stigma. And once you release the stigma 0:50:12.400 --> 0:50:15.040 and you wear this shirt, that means right now you 0:50:15.160 --> 0:50:18.319 be hold accountable right because you went down there. See 0:50:18.320 --> 0:50:20.040 a lot of players don't want to go down there 0:50:20.120 --> 0:50:23.840 because they're still rather bag you know, wine, and you know, 0:50:23.920 --> 0:50:27.360 don't let nobody know. People are gonna look at you go, hey, man, 0:50:28.280 --> 0:50:32.399 didn't you just get help? Hell no, I'm not serving you. 0:50:32.840 --> 0:50:35.719 Hey no, I'm not giving you no money even to 0:50:35.800 --> 0:50:37.719 get your ass back to Jason. And I love it 0:50:37.760 --> 0:50:42.320 with old grandmothers call me about their kids and they go, hey, 0:50:42.360 --> 0:50:45.840 I don't toell this boy. You better get your ass 0:50:45.920 --> 0:50:47.759 back to Jason. They don't even know the name of 0:50:47.760 --> 0:50:51.640 the program. You better go see Jason. You know. So 0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:54.279 I take a lot of pride in what we do, man, 0:50:54.400 --> 0:50:57.319 And you've been down to visit a few times as 0:50:57.560 --> 0:51:01.520 observer and something that you know, always helping, and you know, 0:51:01.960 --> 0:51:05.360 I'm so proud of where we both have come. You know, 0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:08.319 I'm so excited to do your show. I'd be quite 0:51:08.360 --> 0:51:12.520 honest with you, I'm very uncomfortable doing these shows. But 0:51:12.719 --> 0:51:15.640 for you, Rex, you know, all in for you because 0:51:15.719 --> 0:51:19.399 let me tell you something. You know, um and one 0:51:19.480 --> 0:51:21.840 and for like one year, Man, he was hitting it. 0:51:21.880 --> 0:51:24.880 We that guy founding you're doing talks, you were knocking 0:51:24.880 --> 0:51:28.040 it out the park. And uh, every time I see you, Man, 0:51:28.080 --> 0:51:30.160 you just light up. And you don't know how much 0:51:30.160 --> 0:51:33.680 that makes me feel. Brother, that you light up every 0:51:33.719 --> 0:51:37.560 time that you see me, and that makes me feel very, 0:51:37.760 --> 0:51:42.640 very very special. I love you, bro, And you gotta 0:51:42.719 --> 0:51:46.000 know this, Jay, you light the world up. Everybody that 0:51:46.320 --> 0:51:49.759 knows you, everybody that's come in contact with you. You're 0:51:50.640 --> 0:51:53.480 Tony Kornheiser said at once about me. But I think 0:51:53.520 --> 0:51:57.000 about it. When I think about you, You're incandescent. Your 0:51:57.080 --> 0:51:59.719 light can't be put out. And you do bring joy 0:51:59.800 --> 0:52:02.640 your helping so many people down there, for instance. And 0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:05.239 you tell Mike that that I said this. I haven't 0:52:05.239 --> 0:52:08.040 talked to Mike Jiminski in a couple of years, but 0:52:08.400 --> 0:52:11.880 a mutual friend of ours I bumped into in an 0:52:11.920 --> 0:52:17.640 airport about eighteen months ago and I said, Hey, have 0:52:17.719 --> 0:52:20.120 you talked to g Man? He said, g Man is 0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:22.920 not doing real well. Rex, I said, really, I had 0:52:22.960 --> 0:52:27.680 no idea, and then I followed up with a couple 0:52:27.680 --> 0:52:30.799 of friends and then lo and behold, I talked to 0:52:30.800 --> 0:52:33.520 you a few weeks ago, and he's down there with you, 0:52:33.920 --> 0:52:37.280 and I am so proud. I'm so happy that because 0:52:37.320 --> 0:52:40.439 you know, hey, Mike's older. Mike's older, and it does 0:52:40.520 --> 0:52:44.600 there's a stigma that goes, you know, with asking for help, 0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:47.360 and so you tell him. I'm proud of him. I 0:52:47.400 --> 0:52:50.319 love him to death. You keep doing what you're doing, man, Jay. 0:52:50.360 --> 0:52:53.000 I want to thank you for joining me, telling us 0:52:53.040 --> 0:52:55.839 about your work and recovery and be unwilling to own 0:52:55.880 --> 0:52:58.799 your own mistakes and your actions and to try to 0:52:58.840 --> 0:53:00.960 make sure you help other people. I want you to 0:53:01.000 --> 0:53:03.600 know my door is always open to you, brother, and 0:53:03.640 --> 0:53:07.080 I love you. Thank you. I love you, brother. Be well, 0:53:07.640 --> 0:53:12.279 God bless charges selling no run Nians with the law 0:53:12.760 --> 0:53:15.080 charges super least send the tennis and ball ass and 0:53:15.239 --> 0:53:18.920 charges the celebrity gank forlorums. Charges we came along with 0:53:19.040 --> 0:53:21.960 from living lawless charges selling no run Nians with the 0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:24.920 law charges sheper least send the tennis and ball ass 0:53:24.960 --> 0:53:28.359 and charges the celebrity gank. 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