1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where maybe Nick Shook has some 2 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: dead money with the Browns right now everyone else does. 3 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal, and I'm here in the Chris Westley. 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: I guess no, I'm not. I'm at home. I'm just 5 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: used to saying that man, Nick Shook. It's here on 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: a day we don't look forward to. It's what used 7 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: to be called Black Monday, the artist formerly known as 8 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: Black Monday, but we can call it that. No one's 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: really paying any attention anymore. And I mentioned the Browns 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: because Andrew Berry is still employed by the Browns despite 11 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: a ton of contracts for players that weren't good this 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: year and won't even be on the roster next year. 13 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: But he survives. And so I didn't know if you 14 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: know your contract back with the Browns back in the day. 15 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's still going on. Maybe there's nothing. 16 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: I didn't make enough money with them to even register 17 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: on some sort of backed pay ode. 18 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 3: Trust me, your. 19 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: Cap figure wasn't huge. They weren't like avoiding extra years 20 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: or anything like that. 21 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: I mean, you want to tack on some void years 22 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 2: and give me some you know, Look, the best job 23 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 2: is to be a college football head. Coach and get 24 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: fired after two years into a five year deal because 25 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: then you get paid millions for the next three years. 26 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,279 Speaker 2: They want to do that for me by all means, 27 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: you know, backdated. 28 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 3: I'm down. 29 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: Okay. I think you'd make a good coach, you'd be 30 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: a good leader of men, but for now. 31 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 3: I'm a bad teacher. But thank you. 32 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: You're one of the leaders of NFL Daily and we're 33 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: going to go through the news of the day, essentially 34 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: the coaches that have been fired, the gms that have 35 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: been fired, the guys who were retained, a few odds 36 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: and ends, eventually some injury stuff. But let's start with 37 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,639 Speaker 1: the guys that are gone. Right now, we have six 38 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: head coach openings. I don't know if I said it 39 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: on our show, but it looked going into it that 40 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: like six and a half was the over under. We 41 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: could always have a surprise shake loose a little later. 42 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to go in the order of surprise. So 43 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: let's start with the Cardinals, because Jonathan Gannon being fired 44 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: does not surprise me. We've been talking about it on 45 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: the show now for a minute, but the insiders were 46 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: continuing to hammer this story that he thought he was 47 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: going to be safe that he was safe, and in 48 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: the end, he did lose his job after three years. 49 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: Monty Austen for the GM who helped hire Gannon, who 50 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: came at the same time, will remain. I watched a 51 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: little bit of that press conference and there's a lot 52 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: that was interesting here, But I just want to get 53 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: your kind of overall thoughts on Jonathan Gannon losing at 54 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: the end of a tough season for the three and 55 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: fourteen Cardinals. 56 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, a really tough season for a team that started 57 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 2: to and out. But when you lose fourteen of your 58 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 2: last fifteen, you're basically doomed, like like there's you need 59 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 2: even though no matter how close you lose these games. 60 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 2: It is a results based business. That is going to 61 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: be the defining theme of this entire episode. It is 62 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: a results based business, and unfortunately for Jonathan and his 63 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: team did not produce the results that mattered most, which 64 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 2: was wins. You didn't need to stack a bunch of them. 65 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 2: You only needed a handful more to probably save your job. 66 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 2: Because this team, the defense finally came around, and that's 67 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 2: his forte is defense. They were much better on that 68 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: side of the ball, but they did not finish. They 69 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: didn't exactly. You're right, you're right, you're right, You're right. 70 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: They did, Cavin. They also had some injuries, especially in 71 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 2: the secondary, that they were dealing with, as most teams do, 72 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 2: but they didn't finish games. 73 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 3: They lost so many one score games. 74 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 2: There was that whole stretcher in the season where they 75 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 2: were losing one score game after one score game, after 76 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: one score game. You had the quarterback dysfunction with Kyler 77 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: to Jacoby Brissett. There seems to be a bit of 78 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: a lack of direction on that side of the football. 79 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: It bums me out because I could have signed up 80 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: for another year of Jonathan Gannon because of the defensive 81 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 2: strides they made, at least earlier in the season. But 82 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 2: I also can totally justify the fact that they fired him. 83 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 2: When you lose fourteen of your last fifteen games. 84 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: It's why I just never bought the insiders on this one, 85 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: because you start losing games by as much as they were. 86 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: He finished fifteen and thirty six overall. I think for 87 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: that amount of games, you know, he was in the 88 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: bottom five percentile of all coaches hired like that. You 89 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: just it's not gonna happen. Kyler Murray was an interesting 90 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: part of the press conference. The Jonathan Gannon Cardinals went 91 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: thirteen and seventeen with Kyler Murray over the last three years, 92 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: in two and nineteen without Kyler Murray. Despite that, it 93 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: really seems like Kyler Murray is done with this organization. 94 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: Monte Austen Fort was asked about their quarterbacks in the press. 95 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 4: Cotton, you know, as it pertains to Kyler. You know, 96 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 4: Kyler's under contract, Jacoby's under contract, Keaton Slovas is under contract. 97 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 4: You know, we just came off the last game of 98 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 4: the year, and less than twenty four hours ago. We 99 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 4: just left the field, and so you know, there will 100 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 4: be a time and place for those discussions. You know, 101 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 4: I think when you come off a season like we have, 102 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 4: you know, i'd say all options are on the table. 103 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: So I really thought it was fascinating. We was like, 104 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: we didn't actually ask you about Kiton. 105 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 2: Slovaslov Yeah, he bounced around in college a couple of different places. 106 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 3: I thought that was funny that he was even mentioned 107 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 3: there there without familiar. 108 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 1: We didn't ask you about Jacoby, by the way, either, 109 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: We asked you about Kyler, and then he put them 110 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: all on equal playing ground. You know, Caden slous Slovas 111 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: and the guy who you went to Oklahoma in a 112 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: big show to show how much you supported him as 113 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: the new management like when you came in. So they 114 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: asked that. They tried to follow up with him a 115 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: little later too, and one thing I noted was how 116 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: he said, you know, Kyler, you know we had we 117 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: had some issues there, you know, finishing finishing games, and 118 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,799 Speaker 1: Jacoby played well for us. And I was like, Okay, 119 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: it's as clear as can be that he's pointing out 120 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: that he thought Jacoby played pretty well. So it wouldn't 121 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: surprise me actually if Jacoby Brissette is back, plus another quarterback. 122 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: But there is every reason to believe that Kyler Murray 123 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: will be on the trade block and a really interesting option. 124 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: I think I'm not buying a ton of Kyler Murray stock, 125 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: but I'll take some of it if people are selling 126 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: at a low price that maybe he could have an 127 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: interesting second part of his career. But it's not going 128 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: to be with the car. 129 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it matters about fit, and we'll obviously 130 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,679 Speaker 2: tackle that as they explore their options in the trade 131 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 2: market and everything else, or if they want to cut 132 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 2: bait entirely. I believe that contract is actually they could 133 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 2: pretty much manage the capit that they were able to 134 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: cut him. I know Tuas is a different story when 135 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: it comes to cutting guys. 136 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's we knew this was coming. 137 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 2: I mean, Kyler basically got soft benched earlier this year 138 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: and it seemed as if Gannon was coaching for his job. 139 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: But they also understood that the offense performed better with 140 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 2: Jakobe Prissett, which is damning evidence for Kyler Murray because look, 141 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissett, for as much as he's a reliable backup, 142 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: has a very visible ceiling. Your offense should not perform 143 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 2: better with your backup than your starting quarterback, unless you're 144 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 2: starting quarterback. Does not fit what you're going to do 145 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: now re entering an off season in which manty astin 146 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 2: Ford has to hire a head coach and figure out 147 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 2: what they want to do, and that's going to you know, 148 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 2: marry with the head coach and their vision as well, 149 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 2: So you kind of can't put the cart before the horse. 150 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: But there's a lot of questions for them to answer. 151 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: So Kyler Murray has only one year left of guaranteed money. 152 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: It's quite a bit, but it's not crazy. It's thirty 153 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: six point eight million dollars. It's like for one year 154 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and not a long term commitment. There is 155 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: another year on his contract after that. That seems fine, 156 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: And you're right, they could cut him and basically have 157 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: base no cap hit. They could also trade him even 158 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: for a minimal price, and they would save thirty five 159 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: million dollars against the caps, so they'll be motivated to 160 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: find a price for him. He will absolutely have a market. 161 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: I think there is no question. It's just whether he 162 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: wants to, you know, really control the process and negotiate 163 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: where he's going to go almost force his release, or 164 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: if there's a team out there willing to trade something 165 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: for him that he would be down to go to. 166 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: So we'll we'll have to see. And watching this press 167 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: conference was the reminder, and this is going to be 168 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: a theme on this show. We're going to talk about 169 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: your browns neck. It's always better to be the guy 170 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: sitting next to the owner in the owner booth to 171 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: be the guy on the field. Because man Michael Bidwell 172 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: and Austin for It just kept defending how good the 173 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: roster was that we think it's a really good roster, 174 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: and the reporters really pushed back on that, like you 175 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: haven't drafted a pro bowler? Are you really happy with 176 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison and Darius Robinson your recent first round picks? 177 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: Like why are you so happy with this roster? And 178 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: they went through the reason a lot of young players 179 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: are playing for them. Ya da da da da. But 180 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: it just as a reminder, it's better to be that GM. 181 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: So let's go to the Browns. Actually we know, and 182 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: if you're watching or listening to this, I'm sure you 183 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: know by now Kevin Stefanski is gone, Andrew Barry the 184 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: GM is staying, which to me was the most notable 185 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: part of this, because I really believe the correct move 186 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: would have been to start from scratch. For some reason, 187 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: you wanted to split the baby, as they say, like 188 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: I'd be keeping Stefanski not Andrew Berry. As a Browns fan, 189 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: what were you feeling when you found out this is 190 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: how they chose to. 191 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 2: Address So I have a lot of thoughts on this 192 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 2: because I had friends hitting me up as soon as 193 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 2: the Browns game was over yesterday, where's the fired Stefanski tweet? 194 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 3: Like, where's the report where why isn't it not here yet? 195 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 2: And I pushed back against it because I felt like 196 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: with this team Kevin Stefanski, Yes, he won coach of 197 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 2: the Year twice. He also was asked by this organization 198 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 2: to turn water into wine on multiple occasions, and he did. 199 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 2: One year, twenty twenty three, he made the playoffs with 200 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: five different starting quarterbacks. He got a big stroke of 201 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 2: luck with Joe Flacco showing up and still being able 202 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: to sling it. But he also, you know, crafted the 203 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 2: offense around him and enabled that to happen. In the 204 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 2: last two years, he has not been afforded those same opportunities. 205 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 2: All of this goes back to the Deshaun Watson trade. 206 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 2: I could say this till I'm blue in the face, 207 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 2: but they handed a guy who is an offensive minded coach, 208 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 2: a broken offense, a lack of personnel that only got 209 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: worse over the last two seasons, and expected him to 210 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 2: what extract blood from a stone here? Like, what are 211 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 2: we doing? You're not going to win games with the 212 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 2: offensive roster as it was constructed. The offensive line was 213 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 2: getting old. You didn't have anything at quarterback. Nick Chubb 214 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 2: aged out, You drafted two running backs you didn't have 215 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 2: any talent at receiver. The Jerry Judy contract was an abomination. 216 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 2: None of this has worked except for their tight ends 217 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 2: that they had, And yeah, okay, tight ends can be 218 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 2: a rookie quarterbacks best friend. But you had two rookie 219 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 2: quarterbacks and Joe Flacco this year. Of course you were 220 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 2: going to lose a bunch of games. You're setting him 221 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: up for failures, So to make him the scapegoat, I 222 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 2: thought was unfair. I also think about the immediate reaction 223 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,719 Speaker 2: that was going to follow Kevin Stefanci getting fired, which 224 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 2: is exactly what happened today, which is he's now a 225 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 2: top candidate to get hired somewhere else, could be a 226 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 2: front runner for the Giants and for the Titans. Gee, 227 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: if you're the Browns, a team that wants to make 228 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: a change because you haven't won many games over the 229 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 2: last two years, you'd think that you would maybe keep 230 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 2: the coach. That two teams are instantly going to be 231 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 2: listing a top their wish list. It just there's so 232 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 2: much to this, and I feel like if you're going 233 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 2: to hold anybody accountable, you do it with the GM 234 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 2: who gave you this badly constructed roster who maybe had 235 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 2: his own hands tied when the Browns traded for Deshaun 236 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 2: Watson and robbed this front office of three first round picks. 237 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 2: How can keep a team competitive when you don't have 238 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 2: three first round picks. But Barry is more responsible than 239 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 2: Kevin Stefanski. 240 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and everyone likes to point that out. Ah, the 241 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson trade isn't their fault. The ownership made them 242 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: do it, and this kind of recognizes that. Well. First 243 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: of all, Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski, but especially Andrew 244 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: Berry when they brought Watson in. They're all up out 245 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: there on the podium telling all the reasons why. And 246 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure they were part of the conversation when ownership 247 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: wanted to do it. It's not like they weren't consulted. 248 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: It's not like if they didn't think it was a 249 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: good fit, not as a for what he did off 250 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: the field and the culture and the fact that he 251 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,119 Speaker 1: was facing the league suspension, but even just a schematic 252 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: fit coming off of injury, they could have stood up 253 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: and do that. So I don't buy that at all. 254 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: But let's let's put Watson over to the side. There's 255 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 1: a pretty strong case that Andrew Berry is one of 256 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: the worst general managers in the league if you just 257 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: ignored Deshaun Watson entirely in a year where they needed 258 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: a bunch of players, I know they got a great 259 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: draft haul and that's what saved them. They even they 260 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: even cited that in the press release. 261 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 3: And the kicker. 262 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 2: Don't forget the kicker, can't forget about the kickers improvement. 263 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 2: That was a big feather in Andrew Berry's cap. 264 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: He had a great draft at non premium positions, but 265 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: a great draft. I'm not gonna argue with that. But 266 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 1: he's had five drafts, right, And here's what else he 267 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: did that has nothing to do with Deshaun Watson. Here 268 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: are some players that they are paying next year that 269 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: are literally not on the roster next year. David and 270 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: Joku kind of a relative bust in terms of self scouting. 271 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: Keep just paying them and paying him new contract. Maybe 272 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: not a bust, but I don't think he's lived up 273 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: to the money. Twenty four million dollar cap hit next year, 274 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: he's not on the roster. Wyatt Teller ten million dollar 275 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: cap hit next year, not on the roster. Ethan Potchik 276 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 1: five million dollar capit next year, not on the roster. 277 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: Joel Potonio nine million dollar roster next year, capit next year, 278 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: not on the roster, probably retiring a great one, an 279 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: all time Brown. Good for him. Jerry Judy's contract. You 280 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 1: mentioned a disaster, one of the worst wide receivers in 281 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: the league this year. In terms of his consistency in 282 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: his draft. Jack Conklin's contract, it's not really looking. They 283 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: can heal like the oldest, most expensive offensive line. And 284 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: this was all self scouting. Those guys were in the building. 285 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: And the problem I have with very more than anything 286 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 1: is they held on to try to win these last 287 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: two years because they were kind of win now years 288 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: or else we're going to get fired. They had the 289 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 1: most expensive roster in the entire NFL the last two years. 290 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: I know Watson's part of that. There's other expensive quarterbacks 291 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: in the league. He's not the only one. They have 292 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: the most expensive roster and they won eight games. Like, 293 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: what are what are we even talking about here? I 294 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 1: I could think I'm extra annoyed because he's mystery analytics, 295 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 1: But in terms of like his decision making, the process 296 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: hasn't been good and the actual decisions haven't been good. 297 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: So it's crazy. Correct, he's got to help to and 298 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: he's got to have the thing where whoever comes in 299 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 1: next year, unless they win right away, everyone's gonna want 300 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: Andrew Berry fired, you know. So then it's like you're 301 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: back in the same cycle. 302 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 2: Yep, absolutely, And what you have is a bit of 303 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 2: confirmation that's happening here at confirmation bias on the part 304 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 2: of the front office because they have to confirm that 305 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 2: they made the right decisions by you know, extending guys 306 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 2: and that sort of thing, keeping their own oh we're 307 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 2: homegrown talent, that sort of thing. But really, what you 308 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 2: have here is new age Mickey Loomis. Nobody loved Void 309 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 2: years in the NFL more than Mickey Loomis when he 310 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 2: had Drew Brees, and now nobody loves Void Years more 311 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 2: than Andrew Berry. He's been doing it with Watson's contract 312 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 2: restructuring every year. He's been doing it with a number 313 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 2: of other guys to get everything under the cap and 314 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 2: try to stay competitive, and eventually it buries you and 315 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 2: you pun unintended with his last name being Barry, different 316 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 2: uses of Barry, but yeah, it it's not a good situation. 317 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 2: And you know, I got to push back on one 318 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: more thing too, not on what you said, but just 319 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 2: on this whole decision and the fact that Kevin Stefanski 320 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: was essentially scapegoaded for being put in an unwinnable situation. 321 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 2: The discourse that also follows this well outside of this podcast, 322 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 2: that it's somehow related to Shador's Sanders, Like. 323 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 3: Shador improved, I didn't even know that very just. 324 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 2: Marginally, you know, game by game by game showed improvement, 325 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 2: but very far from being a confirmed future at quarterback. 326 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: Right. 327 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 2: If you kind of went throughout the reaction to Sefanski 328 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 2: beting fired, everybody liked to not everybody, but a lot 329 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 2: of people like to pivot it back towards he didn't 330 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 2: develop his quarterbacks. He he really robbed Shador of his 331 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: you know, the mismanagement of Shador and the way that 332 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 2: they handled quarterbacks this year. 333 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 3: That's what cost him his job. 334 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 2: That had nothing to do with his job is the 335 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 2: fact that he got fired was because he didn't win 336 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 2: enough games. He was given that room and tried to 337 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 2: make the best of it. So let's not pivot that 338 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 2: towards Shador, even though I know it's gonna get your 339 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: clicks and everything. But that just really drove me nuts 340 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: because I'm like, we're missing the point here. I didn't 341 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 2: even analyze those entire firing that's insane. 342 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: I would see Shador from evaluating his story as a 343 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: rookie and development and how it relates to sefanste I 344 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: think it was like solid. It's like a C plus. 345 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: You have a Brown guy who started games, who showed 346 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: some promise, who's a developmental quarterback. He's he's not likely 347 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: to be competing for the starting job next year unless 348 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: he was like a big underdog. But if you find 349 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: a guy that you think might be like a long 350 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: term backup or better, and he certainly has a chance 351 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: to do that, he showed flashes like that's fine. 352 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 2: Well what hit me yesterday when watching the Cardinals right 353 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 2: after watching the Browns Shador could be like Jacoby Prisett 354 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 2: plus in his career and that's totally fine. 355 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 3: That's a long career. 356 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: That would be great, a great outcome. Yeah, Sefanski is 357 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: winning percentage. By the way Bill Barnwell pointed this out, 358 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: was somewhere around four fifty in the end. I think 359 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: every other Brown's coach combined since the two point zero 360 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: started is around three hundred, and there's only one playoff 361 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: appearance before Stefanski. He got two, so ultimately he did well, 362 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: And yeah, he might get a job. He might even 363 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: benefit from not taking one of these jobs and having 364 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: that year off, because I think he should be a 365 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: head coach that feels comfortable enough to think I will 366 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: get another job at some point, and sometimes the year 367 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: away helps. Pete Carroll last offseason was not one of 368 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: those guys he knew. Actually, let's listen to Andrew Berry. 369 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: We just buried him for a while and we got 370 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: this clip that our producer, Chris Bobona worked hard on getting, 371 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: so let's listen. 372 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 5: Coming into the season, we were realistic that, you know, 373 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 5: we were a team and a roster in transition, and 374 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 5: ultimately this decision is born from the fact that we've 375 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 5: ultimately felt like we did not see enough progress in 376 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 5: areas that were controllable independent of certain game outcomes. 377 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 2: Can I can opine on that for a second. He's 378 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 2: not entirely wrong. Operationally, there were problems with this team. 379 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 2: There were way too many illegal formations and false starts 380 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 2: and that sort of thing that comes from coaching. But 381 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 2: if you understand that, you're a roster in transition. Then 382 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 2: there are other areas that you should accept you're not 383 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 2: going to be very good at. 384 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 3: Which is your final record being the most important one. 385 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: Well, the main thing for me is if I'm Kevin Stefanski, 386 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: it's one thing to be fired by the Browns. I'm 387 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: sure that wasn't pleasant, but there might be a sense 388 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: of relief, to be honest, that he couldn't carry it. 389 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: But I think the moment where he would probably get 390 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 1: angry is listening to Andrew Berry talk about him coming short, 391 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: and Andrew Berry releasing like a four paragraph press release. 392 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: Andrew Berry gets press release statements about firing head coaches. 393 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: It's just crazy. Pete Carroll mentioned him quickly there that 394 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 1: he only signed a three year contract with the Raiders. 395 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: Even going into this job, it felt like a short 396 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: term deal. Even if it went well, it might have 397 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: been a short term deal. It turns into one year. 398 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: I don't have that much more to say about Pete 399 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: Carroll and the Raiders. Frankly, looking back, I think what's 400 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,959 Speaker 1: most interesting shook is looking forward. I noticed that in 401 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: their press release, Tom Brady's name was mentioned like and 402 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: that's the first time they've done this that it's going 403 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: to be Brady and the current GM John Spytech, who 404 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,959 Speaker 1: is making, you know, the decision on the next coach. 405 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: Albert Breer has mentioned Jesse Minter, who has some Michigan 406 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 1: ties like Tom Brady, so there might be some familiarity there, 407 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: you know, Brian Flores has been mentioned. I think just 408 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: from a pure roster perspective, this is the toughest of 409 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: the six jobs because there's no quarter like Titans get 410 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: an advantage because they have a quarterback, and then the 411 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: other rosters are just better or they have a quarterback. 412 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: So just from a roster perspective, I think they have 413 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: the most to improve upon. And when you look at 414 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: the picks last year, it was a lot of Carrol picks, 415 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: so it really feels like they're kind of starting from scratch. 416 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. 417 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting because this portion of the year 418 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 2: is an interviewing season, right, and typically when you're hiring, 419 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 2: you're looking to be convinced on why you should hire 420 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 2: that candidate. But for teams like the Raiders, they also 421 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 2: have to sell their situation to candidates they want, which 422 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 2: is why you often missed out on the biggest guys. 423 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 2: It's why Ben Johnson chose the Bears over other opportunities 424 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 2: last year, and I think that this is a really 425 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 2: tough team to sell to the highest level credits because 426 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 2: if you look at their roster, like you just said, 427 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 2: weaknesses everywhere, held together, patchwork defense, and I think about, 428 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 2: all right, who are the players that you could put 429 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 2: on a billboard and show to that coach and you 430 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 2: got three. You got Brock Bawers, Max Crosby, whose future 431 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 2: is not guaranteed to be in Vegas, and Ashton Genty, 432 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 2: who struggled behind the worst offensive line in the league. 433 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 3: That's it. So it's gonna be really hard to replace 434 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 3: him with somebody. 435 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 2: I like the idea of leaning toward a mentor guy, 436 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 2: not necessarily because of Brady's involvement, but because I feel 437 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 2: like he's just built like a future head coach and 438 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 2: if there were ever an opportunity for him to get 439 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 2: his first shot, I think, you know, this is one 440 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 2: of them. 441 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 3: This is like, this scene's kind of ideal. 442 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 2: But God, there's so much work they have to do 443 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 2: to this roster to really make themselves competitive again. I 444 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 2: can't believe, and this is on me, that I was 445 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 2: seduced by the Geno Smith trade. As much as I 446 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 2: was in the offseason. 447 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 3: I was so excited. 448 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: Mean, I can definitely believe that I was seduced by it. 449 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: And they only got Geno because Tom Brady couldn't close 450 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: the deal. Tom Brady's essentially a businessman there, right, he was. 451 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: He went there to make it happen. My name and 452 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: my knowledge of the league's going to make it happen. 453 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: So he met with Matthew Stafford, and Matthew Stafford said 454 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: no things. And he met with Ben Johnson, and Ben 455 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: Johnson said no things. So let's show us what you 456 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: got here. Tom Brady, there's not really the hot names 457 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 1: like that, but he is absolutely running this organization. Obviously 458 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,719 Speaker 1: John Spytech is the more day to day guy, but 459 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: in terms of the biggest decisions, I believe that it's 460 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: going to be Brady making them. And yeah, Patrick Graham's 461 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: was the defensive coordinator there. He becomes an interesting coaching 462 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,239 Speaker 1: free agent, but it's gonna be tricky. The one thing 463 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: they have to offer is an owner that is willing 464 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: to spend in a great facility, not just the stadium, 465 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: but like the practice facility. They treat their player as well, 466 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: like it all that sort of stuff. Actually, the Raiders 467 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: have come a long way, and that's why Mark Davis 468 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: deserves a little bit of credit for having like six 469 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: or seven different coaches on his payroll right now, none 470 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: of whom work for the Raiders. 471 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 2: He just before he gets it, I was like, how 472 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 2: many former head coaches is he still paying right now? 473 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 2: We got McDaniels, Pierce, Carol, just the list goes on 474 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 2: from there. 475 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: It's it's crazy. Let's take a quick break and then 476 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: we'll come back with some of the guys who are 477 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: staying put. And it's just a few more odds and 478 00:22:51,240 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 1: ends from back on NFL Daily, where I'm gonna make 479 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: Nick Schuck play the uncomfortable role, or at least watch 480 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: me play this role of a guy who seems annoyed 481 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: that other grown men professionals kept their jobs in this site. 482 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 3: That is an interesting stance to take, but let's do it. 483 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I just I'm voicing some of my frustration 484 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 1: with how some of these organizations are run and maybe 485 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: representing how some of the local fan base feels in 486 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: different cities. Starting in Cincinnati, got the text from Nick Westling. 487 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: He was not surprised that the Bengals announced they are 488 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 1: keeping Zach Taylor, the head coach, and Duke Tobin, who 489 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: runs the front office. If you're watching us on YouTube, 490 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: appreciate you guys. If you're looking for the recap show 491 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: on YouTube, it's a collaboration. It's on our site. But 492 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: you can see the Mike Brown statement where he points 493 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: out that he he knows the season's been frustrating and disappointing, 494 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: but that they're going to keep Duke Tobin and Zach Taylor, 495 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: that they are the right leaders to guide them forward. 496 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: They have proven that they can build and lead teams 497 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: that compete for championships. He mentions that they were in 498 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl and made it to two AFC championships. 499 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: It's no surprise, but it's just it's just very Bengals 500 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: that we saw, you know, Marvin Lewis day for sixteen 501 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: years without winning a playoff game. It's going to take 502 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: a lot, I think for these guys to leave. I 503 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: just go back to the fact that in the last 504 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: three seasons, when Joe Burrow starts, Zach Taylor's Bengals are 505 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: barely over five hundred over a three year span. If 506 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: you had told me after that second AFC Championship game 507 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 1: in a row, that they weren't going to be in 508 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: the playoffs for next three years. I know burrows injuries 509 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: are part of it, but not really. They haven't had 510 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: a playoff worthy record. When Burrow starts to me, it's 511 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: just not good enough and they're kind of accepting the middle. 512 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 513 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 2: You know, the first thing I thought when they announced this, 514 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 2: which wasn't surprising, little disheartening if you're a Bengals fan, 515 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 2: is how many years does the Super Bowl appearance by 516 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 2: you of leeway and in Cincinnati, it's at least four, 517 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 2: because that's where they're headed at this point after missing 518 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 2: the playoffs for three straight years. The problem is that 519 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 2: in order for this to make sense, you have to 520 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 2: at minimum win nine games next year, which is where 521 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 2: they finished the previous. 522 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 3: Two seasons and missed the playoffs. And you gotta be 523 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 3: in that range. 524 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: Now you got to win. 525 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 3: That's not good enough. 526 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: You like win ten or eleven. 527 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 2: But he finished like six wins this year and they 528 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 2: lose in Week eighteen, which doesn't matter. But they lose 529 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 2: in a fashion, which, as we covered on yesterday's show, 530 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 2: your coach is saying he's out there fighting for their 531 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 2: lives and it just it just feels like I can't 532 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 2: take any of this seriously. You have a franchise quarterback, 533 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 2: You dedicated a lot of money to your receivers. Your 534 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 2: defense has been disaster, although it did get better in 535 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 2: the second half of this season under a new defensive coordinator. 536 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 2: But it's like, do you just believe that another off 537 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,479 Speaker 2: season of talent acquisition and everything is going to make 538 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: this right? Because I have seen enough evidence over the 539 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 2: last three years that Zach Taylor can get you to 540 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 2: mid and I don't know if he can get you 541 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 2: above mid unless everything's working really well for them. 542 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: And I know Joe Burrow's support of Zach Taylor is 543 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: really important. Well, yeah, Joe Burrow loves Zach Taylor. He 544 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: lets him do whatever he wants. He wants the offense, 545 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: and I'm not even saying that that in and of 546 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: itself is a bad idea. Letting Joe Burrow's voice, you know, 547 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: be the most important, but it's sort of not Zach 548 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: Taylor's offense. I don't know what the theme of their 549 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 1: offseason will be this year. Last year is all about 550 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: we got to start the season fast. We see, yeah, 551 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: and it didn't It didn't matter. It's keeping Burrow healthy. 552 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: There's a chance that Al Golden loses his job. I 553 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: would be surprised. But their defense really struggled. There were 554 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 1: some schematic questions of how they were playing, but more 555 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 1: of the same in Cincinnati. The same is true for 556 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: the Colts, and we mentioned that on Sunday Nights Show. 557 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 1: We didn't go at length about them keeping Chris Ballard. 558 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 1: It's gonna be the GM's tenth season. Talk about a 559 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: guy who I think has done a mid job, to 560 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: use your word like, he hasn't been a bad GM. 561 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: He's somewhere just in the middle. He's had moments that 562 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 1: were positive. He's had plenty of moments that were negative. 563 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: He's just kind of in the middle. You can see 564 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: some pluses and mindsets. But they have had no playoff 565 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: success whatsoever under Chris Ballard. So that's a long time 566 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: for a decade. But he's gonna be the GM. Shane 567 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: Stiken's gonna be the head coach. Let's listen to Carli 568 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 1: Gordon Ersa in her first press conference after a season 569 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: as the main owner of the Indianapolis Colts. She shares 570 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: ownership with her two sisters, but she is the front 571 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: facing in the building making decisions on a very daily 572 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 1: basis owner of the Colts, and she explained the decision on. 573 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 6: Monday to our fans, My sisters and I want to 574 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 6: extend our heartfelt gratitude for your loyalty and support as always, 575 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 6: but particularly this season. You're right to be frustrated with 576 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 6: how the latter part of our season went. I'm pissed. 577 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 6: We are all pissed. 578 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, because she was looking up at that point. 579 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: I was like, did she right I'm pissed? Into the 580 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 1: written I think maybe not, or maybe she freestyled there. 581 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: She did say she was pissed. Later. I did watch 582 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: this because I was curious. Not a lot of owners 583 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,479 Speaker 1: go up right after the season. She answered tough questions 584 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: and she was very careful of what she would say 585 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: and was kind of asking follow up to the reporters 586 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: to make them clarify. I liked it all. It made sense. 587 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: I don't think there was a lot of breaking news 588 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: from it beyond her just saying that the urgency is 589 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: even higher this year than it was last year, and 590 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: the urgency was high because people wanted her to say 591 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: it was a playoffs or bust. But she basically says, 592 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: we have to finish the season this time. And a 593 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: reporter noted that it's the last year of Chris Ballard's 594 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: contract and would he get an extension. She said, well, 595 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: we haven't talked about that yet. So I think she 596 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: made it very clear that she thought it was a 597 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: better path to maintain continuity and give this regime one 598 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: more year together. And she really wouldn't answer the question directly, 599 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: but I got the sense that she looked at them 600 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: as like a package deal, that if they're going to 601 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: start over, they'll really start over. And ultimately I agree 602 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,239 Speaker 1: with her because I think Stiching is worth keeping and 603 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: Ballard isn't so offensive to me that you have to 604 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: get rid of them this year. I think going one 605 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: more year and seeing if they make the playoffs and 606 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: are contender is worth a chot. 607 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 2: Okay, So first off, this is the first time in 608 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 2: my life and she's older than me, but not that 609 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 2: much older than me, in which I felt connected to 610 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 2: an owner like like generationally, her just saying I'm pissed, 611 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 2: We're all pissed. I was like, yes, you're speaking my language, 612 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 2: and you should be the other part of this is 613 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 2: I totally agree with what you're saying. They are a 614 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 2: package deal. They should be together. But I going into 615 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 2: this season could not believe that Ballard was still employed, 616 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 2: just because I felt like he was real close to 617 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 2: getting fired each of the last two previous seasons. Now 618 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 2: you look at those results from the Colts until they 619 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 2: lost Daniel Jones, or maybe the two games before they 620 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 2: lost Daniel Jones, and everything you know, went off the rails, 621 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 2: and you can use that as evidence to justify keeping Ballard. 622 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 3: I mean, he put together a pretty good team. 623 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 2: At one point, we were talking them the most dynamic 624 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 2: and perhaps complete offense early in this season. Now, a 625 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 2: lot of that had to do with the acquisition of 626 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 2: Daniel Jones. It also is them conveniently making people forget 627 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 2: that they spent the fourth overall pick on Anthony Richardson 628 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 2: because they had Daniel Jones. And they arrive at this 629 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 2: crossroads in the offseason because they know they won't be 630 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 2: able to have Jones available because of the injury that 631 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 2: he suffered, and it makes you think, Okay, if you're 632 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 2: going to prove that you're worthy of this job, you 633 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 2: have to nail whatever you're going to do at quarterback 634 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 2: next because that's going to determine whether you're competitive next year, 635 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 2: and if you don't nail it, you're not going to 636 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 2: have to point to any reason because the win loss 637 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 2: record is going to take care of the job for itself. 638 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,479 Speaker 3: So I'm on board with this. I felt like Stichen 639 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 3: did a really good job. Was that almost two or 640 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 3: three two years ago? Three years ago? 641 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 2: At this point, I'm losing track of time in which 642 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 2: Gardner Minshew kept the ship afloat and they were competitive 643 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 2: throughout the season after losing their starting quarterback early in 644 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 2: the year, Anthony Richardson, and I think that he earned 645 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 2: the goodwill that he's gotten to this point. Ballard saved 646 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 2: their partnership with his performance constructing this roster this year. 647 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 2: So they each get one more year, and I hope 648 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 2: it works out for them, because wathing the Colts to 649 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 2: be a competitive and really explosive team was fun until 650 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 2: they weren't an explosive team anymore, and then it was 651 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 2: just kind of depressing. 652 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 3: So hopefully they get back on track. 653 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. She kept hitting the point that she thought she 654 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: saw improvement, that they had specific things they wanted Chris 655 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: Ballard to work on and a lot of it, you know, 656 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: bore fruit this year and this part she wasn't specific about. 657 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: But they have a really good offensive line where they've 658 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: actually replenished it with younger players. They have a better 659 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: defense because of their coordinator. Lou An Romo is getting, 660 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: you know, a head coaching interview in ten back. 661 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 3: It's two all over again. 662 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: There's some promise there. Although one of his big signings, 663 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: and this is obviously not anyone's fault in the organization, 664 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: Charvarius Ward, said on Monday that he's considering retirement because 665 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: of repeated concussion. So you wish all the best for him, 666 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: but that's something to keep an eye on. Sas Gardner trade. 667 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: You know, she was asked about and obviously she okayed that, 668 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: and she said, you know, positive things about what sas 669 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: Gardner could be moving forward. Look, they don't have their 670 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: first round pick the next two years, so that might 671 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: be another reason to keep Ballard anyways and see through 672 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: his vision. And basically it really sounds like both sides 673 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: want to bring Daniel Jones back. And I don't really 674 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: know about what Anthony Richardson's future is. I bet he 675 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: doesn't have one. Speaking of quarterbacks and futures and whether 676 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: they'll be with their head coach. Let's talk Lamar Jackson 677 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: because we did the show immediately after the Tyler Luke 678 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: miss kick, in which Jordan Rutt reminded me that we 679 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: greeted with total silence for like fifteen straight seconds because 680 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: we're in the room with Patrick and it's just like, 681 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: oh no, that is and then it's like showtime, great 682 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: job by Patrick, and then he's back on the air 683 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: doing Black Monday coverage on NFL Network, you know, eight 684 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: ten hours later in a suit. What a what a 685 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: pro our guy, Patrick is. We didn't have any Lamar 686 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: Jackson sound or any sound after the game. I just 687 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: thought this question to him about John Harbaugh was interesting. 688 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: Take a listen, Well did you do you want to 689 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: see John? 690 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 7: You you asked me about next year, Jamison, I'm so 691 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 7: caught up in what just happened tonight. I can't I 692 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 7: can't focus on that right now. I just told you, 693 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 7: like he asked me, are you still I'm strolling right now, 694 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 7: I'm still trying to process what's going on. I know 695 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 7: we lost, but you know that's all. 696 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: So they asked him about John Harbot. That was Jamison 697 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: Hemsley of ESPN, and I think Lamar answered it in 698 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 1: a perfect way. He was very emotional and upset about 699 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: the loss. But he also had a chance to stand 700 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: on the table for a coach that he's been with 701 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: a long time and he didn't. So I don't think 702 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 1: it's crazy for an adult to read into that a 703 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 1: little bit interesting. 704 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 2: I actually, you know, I don't think people consider this 705 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 2: when they give a non answer, that you have the 706 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 2: opportunity to defend somebody and you don't, and that that 707 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 2: resonates like that sends a message. I mean, I understand 708 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 2: in that moment he was emotional answer answer. 709 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: That's why you sometimes ask the questions. 710 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, you're absolutely right. 711 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 2: He played his tailoff, but you're right because if he 712 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,240 Speaker 2: was fully on board, he would have been like, look, 713 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 2: he guided us here, he got us through this fire, 714 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 2: and yeah we came up short, but we love him 715 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 2: and he didn't. 716 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 3: So a good point. 717 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: So, Baltimore, we don't know what's going to happen. There's 718 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: been some reporting that coordinator there could be changes. I 719 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: think the Harbaugh status is up in the air until 720 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: totally confirmed. Otherwise, clearly the odds are that he is 721 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: going to stay, but they said on the pregame shows. 722 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: Ian rap Upport on the NFL Network said that they 723 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: were going to have a conversation after the season, and 724 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: they haven't had that conversation yet or they're having it 725 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,959 Speaker 1: right now, and so we'll see. So in the safe 726 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: for now category, Baltimore Tampa looks just safe safe. It's 727 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: not like they released a statement. But Todd Bowles did 728 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: a press conference on Monday, business as usual. Now some 729 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: teams have let their coaches do press conferences on Monday 730 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: and made a change. The Bucks pretty famously made a 731 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: firing I think two weeks after the season when John 732 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: Gruden got fired, So you never know, but he did 733 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: his press conference. All the reporting around the Jets say 734 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: that Aaron Glenn is going to be safe, and Miami 735 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:09,800 Speaker 1: still employs Mike McDaniel. They will not be employing to 736 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,959 Speaker 1: a tongue of iloa, I don't think for very long. 737 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: Was asked by three local reporters, including one from the 738 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: Miami Herald, on Monday, about whether he would want a 739 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: fresh start next season, and he said a fresh start 740 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 1: would be dope. So one more for Tua, the most 741 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: honest man in front of a microphone, sometimes to his 742 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: detriment for the twenty twenty five season, although this one 743 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: I'm fine with him just being real with it. 744 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, he tagged that with thought would be good with it, 745 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 2: which like just tells me, get me out of here. 746 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 2: And I think that's why Mike McDaniels still employed. I 747 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 2: think we know who the Dolphins have chosen in this 748 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,760 Speaker 2: apparent rift, and it's the coach, not the quarterback. Interesting 749 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 2: to see what kind of market develops for him. Tougher 750 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 2: to move that contract post June first trade is a 751 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 2: little bit easier. Cutting is almost not really doable unless 752 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 2: you want to eat the cap hit like the Broncos 753 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 2: did with Russell Wilson. And also, where do you go 754 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 2: from there? I mean, Quinn Yewers is not the future. 755 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 2: He had a nice game and a half kind of 756 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 2: he had it, also had an ugly game, But that's 757 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 2: where the Dolphins are right now. You know, honestly, Greg, 758 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 2: this is crazy. But we talked about Kyler earlier. I 759 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 2: could see a world in which the Dolphins somehow acquire 760 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 2: Kyler Murray and pair him with Mike McDaniel and it 761 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 2: would be weird. And I'm signing up for it because 762 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 2: I like weird stuff in football. 763 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 3: Why not? 764 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see that. You could see Malik Willis. 765 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 1: There's a few quarterbacks that'll shake overs. I think Aaron 766 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 1: Rodgers is gonna get a job next year. I think 767 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,399 Speaker 1: he's gonna want to play. That's not really the fit 768 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 1: that I would look for. So we'll see. There's a 769 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:46,719 Speaker 1: sneaky amount of like one B quarterback options available this offseason. 770 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: We'll see if Cliff Kingsbury is available. Diana Rassinia the 771 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: Athletic and indicated maybe like a rift between Kingsbury and 772 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 1: the front office of how they were doing things. It 773 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: just was interesting to hear jayde Daniels on Monday really 774 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: go to back for Cliff Kingsbury, how much Cliff Kingsbury 775 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,359 Speaker 1: means to him. And some other players did as well. 776 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: So it's gotten to the point where they're responding in public. 777 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:13,280 Speaker 1: That's just one situation to watch before we wrap up here, Shook, 778 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: it's time for delivering results presented by Uber Eat. When 779 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:21,720 Speaker 1: football makes you hungry, order Uber Eat. So cam Ward 780 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 1: he's our guy for who delivered, not the fact that 781 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,800 Speaker 1: he's coming off of an injury, but that he delivered 782 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,799 Speaker 1: some good news on Monday, Nick his shoulder will not 783 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,280 Speaker 1: require surgery, and ultimately I think he delivered a really 784 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 1: good rookie season all things considered around him, I don't 785 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: feel any lower on him after his rookie season than 786 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 1: I did before. I think he's going to be fun 787 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: and I just want to see what coach he has 788 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 1: next to help him in his development. 789 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, not necessarily parallel comparisons here between Caleb Williams and 790 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 2: cam Ward, but I could see a similar jump with 791 00:38:58,719 --> 00:38:59,879 Speaker 2: the right coach in year two. 792 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 1: I think it's a pretty good comparison. I mean, there 793 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: are big differences. There are differences, but I. 794 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, there are differences in terms. 795 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,919 Speaker 1: Of the area that they occupied as rookies. It makes 796 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 1: sense to me. 797 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's questions to answer there. There obviously don't 798 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 2: have as much talented receiver as the Bears did in 799 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,319 Speaker 2: Caleb's first and now second year. But I like what 800 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 2: they developed with Jamary Decay and elk Iomanor and like this. 801 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 3: Group is they got. 802 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 2: They became a fun team to watch, even though they 803 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 2: weren't very good down the stretch. They weren't this dreadful 804 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 2: operation that you dreaded watching every week. They were, they 805 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 2: were funded, and a. 806 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 3: Lot of it had to do with cam Ward. 807 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,359 Speaker 2: So I think they probably should feel pretty good about 808 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 2: what they got out of their first overall pick and 809 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 2: continue to trust the process. 810 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:39,879 Speaker 3: But they got to nail the coach. 811 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 2: They got to nail the coaching higher, and that's the 812 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 2: biggest thing on the checklist for them right now to 813 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 2: make sure that Cam's development continues. But it's good that 814 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,879 Speaker 2: he is, you know, taking on a leadership role within 815 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 2: this franchise already, because he already said weeks ago that 816 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 2: he wanted to be involved in the hiring process, So 817 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 2: that should make it potentially a little bit easier to 818 00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 2: find the right fit for. 819 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 1: Him, and he will. We'll still have to rehab and 820 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: get that shoulder healthy, but the fact that it won't 821 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 1: require surgery means I think it'll be more like weeks 822 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 1: into a couple months instead of an entire offseason in 823 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 1: terms of his recovery. Hopefully that goes well and he 824 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,240 Speaker 1: doesn't eventually need the surgery that was delivering results presented 825 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 1: by Uber Eat. When football makes you hungry, get game 826 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: day deals on Uber eat, the official on demand delivery 827 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:32,280 Speaker 1: partner of the NFL Order. Now, speaking of the Titans, 828 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 1: just a few quick interview updates on their list, according 829 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:41,319 Speaker 1: to various reports, lou Anarumo, the Colts defensive coordinator, the 830 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 1: Broncos defensive coordinator Vance Joseph, both Chiefs coordinators, Matt Naggi, 831 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 1: who's a coaching free agent his contract is up, and 832 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator Steve Spagnolo. An item that occurred in the 833 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 1: last handful of days that we haven't mentioned on the 834 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: show is that the Titans elevated their GM Mike Borganzi 835 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 1: within the organization and essentially demoted this other guy, Chad Brinker, 836 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 1: which we have talked about on the show a few times. 837 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: It was nebulous what he did, sort of like president 838 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 1: football operations. But it's just funny because literally, the Titans 839 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: have changed their power structure every off season, sometimes twice 840 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: a year, for about five years straight. So a new 841 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 1: guy's in charge, and as it pertains to this head 842 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,799 Speaker 1: coaching search, the new guy's from Kansas City. I mean, 843 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: he's been there in the building for a year, but 844 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 1: he comes from the Chiefs. So if they hire Matt 845 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: Naggy or Steve Spagnolo, which I would, I would more support. 846 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 1: It's hard to get too excited about Matt Naggy. 847 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,880 Speaker 3: It's hard. I mean, I don't know, man, I feel like. 848 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 2: Like Spags is like a great coordinator, hasn't been a 849 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 2: head coach in a long time. But both are retreads, right, 850 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 2: So it's like, how excited can you get about a retreads? Am? 851 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 1: I just j You know, our buddy Ali Connolly, he 852 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 1: thinks was prougorated and historically retreads sometimes do work, but 853 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 1: you just you got to pick the right one, and 854 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 1: all those seems like he'd have a chance. You know, 855 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 1: he knows a lot of people in the league. He's 856 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 1: still a good scheme coach, which I love. I love 857 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 1: a coach that can give you a schematic advantage. I've 858 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 1: listened to Chris Long's podcast. Who played under him in 859 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,839 Speaker 1: Saint Louis. No one was winning that situation and they 860 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,200 Speaker 1: all played well for him and and they liked him. 861 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 1: That was one of the worst run organizations you could 862 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,279 Speaker 1: possibly have. And so I don't know, I'd be open 863 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 1: to Steve. 864 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 3: Steve Spegnell give Belichick was a retread. Pete Carroll was 865 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,279 Speaker 3: technically a retread with the Stinton College. I mean, we've 866 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,360 Speaker 3: had a number of successful retreads. You're right, And in a. 867 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 2: Coaching market like this in which there is no ascending 868 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 2: young coordinator that is a slam dunk, like a Ben 869 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 2: Johnson for example, even a Liam Cohen who exceeded my expectations, 870 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 2: maybe the retread. It's the perfect time for one. 871 00:42:59,239 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 3: We'll see. 872 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,040 Speaker 1: We'll see six openings now in terms of the head coaching. 873 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,800 Speaker 1: In terms of the GM, I think there's only two. 874 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 1: Is that right? Because the Giants are keeping Joe Shane. 875 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,920 Speaker 1: They officially announced that. I don't know if they've released 876 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,320 Speaker 1: the statement on it before, but it's kind of funny 877 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 1: that at the end of every season they have to 878 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,399 Speaker 1: make a statement that Joe Shane still has his job. 879 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 1: Like that's not a great size. It's like, oh, it's already, 880 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,560 Speaker 1: I just used the one from last year, you. 881 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 2: Know, just recycling important. It's got to be in your 882 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 2: email history somewhere. Just pull it back out and change 883 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 2: the dates. Yeah, I mean looked with this. There's two 884 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 2: schools of thought here, which is he's probably overstated as 885 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 2: welcome and if you want to make a change for 886 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,799 Speaker 2: a change's sake, then it includes him. But also, like 887 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,880 Speaker 2: you want to find wins, and you believe in Jackson 888 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,319 Speaker 2: Dart and this past draft and the defense that I 889 00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 2: think is he's constructed fairly well. 890 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 3: An offense that showed some potential. 891 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,640 Speaker 2: Then yeah, you keep in I don't know, it feels 892 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 2: like we're going to do this again next year. It does, 893 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,399 Speaker 2: but it is the offseason of keep the GM fire 894 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,520 Speaker 2: the coach that's definitely been determined. 895 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,840 Speaker 1: It sets up a very similar scenario and this is 896 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,319 Speaker 1: true of the Browns too to what just happened with 897 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,799 Speaker 1: Atlanta with Terry Foon. I think Radee Morris paid for 898 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 1: the sins of Terry fin yep, because I think Rahee 899 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,040 Speaker 1: Morris would have been given at least one more year 900 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,399 Speaker 1: get to year three. The first two years weren't that bad, 901 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,680 Speaker 1: but because the GM was on his fifth year and 902 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:37,840 Speaker 1: had a terrible record, then basically the coach gets thrown 903 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,440 Speaker 1: out with him. So whoever this next Giants coach is 904 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 1: is going to be on a short leash or Shane'll 905 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,319 Speaker 1: be on a short least. He's twenty two, forty five 906 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 1: and one Shane since taking over. That's pretty bad. And 907 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 1: that includes the first year where he inherited most of 908 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,920 Speaker 1: the best players from Dave Gettleman in the last three years, 909 00:44:55,640 --> 00:45:00,200 Speaker 1: he's thirteen and thirty eight. I mean, you're entering year five, 910 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,439 Speaker 1: You're coming off two seasons like the ones they had. 911 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,240 Speaker 1: Those types of guys don't usually get to keep having chances, 912 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:07,680 Speaker 1: but they do have a good nucleus. I do think 913 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,080 Speaker 1: this is kind of the sneaky best job if it 914 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,359 Speaker 1: wasn't for Joe Shane, because I do like this is 915 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,840 Speaker 1: Apple Carter and Jackson Dart and Andrew Thomas and Malik Neighbors. 916 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,479 Speaker 1: There are players here, Brian. 917 00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,960 Speaker 2: This is where I would like to see Kevin's fancy 918 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,279 Speaker 2: land a head coaching job. I think it makes the 919 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 2: most sense. I would love to see what he could 920 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,840 Speaker 2: do with Jackson Dart. I think there are elements of 921 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield to Jackson Dart that worked for Stefanski in 922 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 2: Cleveland that could work in New York. And he has 923 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 2: plenty of head coaching experience, so he's probably been seasoned 924 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 2: enough to be able to deal with the pressure that 925 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,960 Speaker 2: comes with coaching in New York because he's already robotic, 926 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,799 Speaker 2: so he's not going to feed into the you know, 927 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,000 Speaker 2: drama that is pervasive with the New York football franchises, 928 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,359 Speaker 2: So I think that would be the best fit. 929 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,440 Speaker 3: But how does he work with Joe Shane. 930 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,440 Speaker 1: We'll see, And Shane really emphasized in his press conference 931 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:56,120 Speaker 1: today leadership. We need leadership more than anything. And it's like, 932 00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, is he talking about Stefanski, Is he 933 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,479 Speaker 1: talking about Harbaugh? If Harbor or Shook loose? I think 934 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,360 Speaker 1: I think they would love a coach like that or 935 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:04,120 Speaker 1: a Mike Tomlin. 936 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,319 Speaker 2: But I don't think is leadership like code for experience, 937 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,880 Speaker 2: like I thus one somewhere else? 938 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,279 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think so that That was how I took it. 939 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 1: And man, no media group hates a GM more than 940 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:25,279 Speaker 1: the Giants media group hats man. The questions for him, 941 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,200 Speaker 1: who are brutal. They're like, why are you so bad 942 00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,160 Speaker 1: at your job? That wasn't barely the question, but essentially 943 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:35,399 Speaker 1: the subtext of every single question. Final items, and we'll 944 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,400 Speaker 1: say goodbye. The Rams expect Quentin Lake and DeVante Adams 945 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,440 Speaker 1: back this week. Good news for them. The forty nine 946 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,759 Speaker 1: ers are going to be without Tatum Bethune, their linebacker 947 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,440 Speaker 1: for the rest of the postseason. That's a big loss 948 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,319 Speaker 1: for them at a banged up position. They're not sure 949 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,799 Speaker 1: about their other usual starter De Winters either, so they're 950 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,080 Speaker 1: banged up right now. And the Dolphins GM interviews that 951 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,520 Speaker 1: I just throw some of the names out there. The 952 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,319 Speaker 1: Eagles assistant Alec Hallaby, who were a fan of here, 953 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,719 Speaker 1: Rams assistant GM, John McKay. I think it's going to 954 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 1: be an interesting name to track another McKay out there, 955 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,680 Speaker 1: Rich McKay, who's long been in charge of the Falcons 956 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,040 Speaker 1: in some form another and actually got moved to a 957 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:23,200 Speaker 1: different part of the Arthur Blank Empire. He wasn't fired, 958 00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,759 Speaker 1: but he kind of has moved off the Falcons. That 959 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,560 Speaker 1: was part of the changes in Atlanta. He was one 960 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,960 Speaker 1: of them. But the overarching takeaway from these interviews was 961 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,400 Speaker 1: just that three of the six were from San Francisco, 962 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,719 Speaker 1: where they worked with Mike McDaniel. So I don't know 963 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,279 Speaker 1: if you want to connect the dots. 964 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 3: I think you're properly reading the tea leaves, Greg. 965 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,799 Speaker 2: I believe we have a course that the Dolphins are 966 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:51,280 Speaker 2: going to follow in the coming weeks and months. 967 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,000 Speaker 1: Not a crazy one. I don't mind seeing Mike McDaniel 968 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,480 Speaker 1: get another shot. He does what I say I like 969 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,080 Speaker 1: the best, which is provide a schematic advantage except for 970 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,760 Speaker 1: when they're in third or fourth and short, in which 971 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,719 Speaker 1: according to I think it was Chase Kaufman. I hope 972 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:10,319 Speaker 1: I'm getting the right account had some numbers on Blue 973 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,760 Speaker 1: Sky that they are the worst team in the NFL 974 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,200 Speaker 1: on a third and short and fourth and short situation 975 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,320 Speaker 1: since McDaniel got there. It is really noticeable when you 976 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:18,439 Speaker 1: watch them week after week. 977 00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,279 Speaker 2: But I mean when you're a team that plays a 978 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 2: lot of perimeter based offense, that can be an issue 979 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:24,400 Speaker 2: short yardage. 980 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Tyreek Hill had some ideas for that. He was like, 981 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,120 Speaker 1: stop running eight chan. Yeah, eight chan is not the problem, Tyreek. 982 00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,560 Speaker 1: All right, we have a lot to go through in 983 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,399 Speaker 1: the offseason. We're just getting started. If there's any other 984 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,840 Speaker 1: coaching firings or news, we will hit that on Tuesday. Chris, 985 00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,279 Speaker 1: let's hit the music. Are we going to keep this 986 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,600 Speaker 1: under fifty minutes? I said we'd be around forty. We did. Okay, 987 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,359 Speaker 1: We're gonna be back on Tuesday. Colleen Wolf and Jordan 988 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,000 Speaker 1: Rodrigue and I finally reading those holiday cards that you 989 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,360 Speaker 1: guys sent us. We're also going to pick our award winners. 990 00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,400 Speaker 1: In any other extra news that happens, look for us 991 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:00,200 Speaker 1: in the feats see