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Speaker 1: dot com. Good morning, everybody, Happy Tuesday. We have an

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Speaker 1: amazing show for everybody today, a very consequent show, possibly

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Speaker 1: our last show before the outbreak of full blown US involvement.

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Speaker 1: So what do we have?

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Speaker 3: But really, who the hell knows?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, at this point we were both uplate monitoring what

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Speaker 2: the hell was going down? So many contradictory signals. It

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Speaker 2: seemed very ominous what was developing. I would say, it

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Speaker 2: still seems very ominous. So we'll just take you through

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Speaker 2: everything we know at this point. We'll also track some

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Speaker 2: of the additional news from yesterday, the Israelis targeted runny

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Speaker 2: and state broadcasters. Shocking and extraordinary scenes playing out live

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Speaker 3: Will bring you that.

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Speaker 2: Also, Israel's implemented a policy to block their own citizens,

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Speaker 2: and apparently there was a heated conversation between our own

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Speaker 2: that is, of course now under attack. We've got a

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Speaker 2: their take on what's going on here.

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Speaker 3: As Trump spent.

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Speaker 2: Some portion of yesterday also sniping at Tucker, jabbing him

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Speaker 1: Hitting where I heard a man who went on podcasts?

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Speaker 2: Okay, yes, indeed, So anyway, interesting to see what the

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Speaker 2: conversation is unfolding there. Glenn Greenwald is going to join us.

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Speaker 2: He's going to talk about the role of media disinformation,

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Speaker 2: all of this flood of information that is coming at you,

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Speaker 2: and also drawing out some of the parallels with how

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Speaker 2: a Rock War. So that's going to be a really

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Speaker 2: important conversation. There are other things happening in the world, though.

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Speaker 2: We have some really wild updates out of the Minnesota

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Speaker 2: All the details for that story, but really crazy details

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Speaker 2: that we're learning now. We also California Attorney General reached

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Speaker 2: Extremely timely conversation because there are hearings with regard to

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Speaker 2: So, as I was saying all kinds of things unfolding

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Speaker 2: He says, Iran should have signed the deal. I told

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Speaker 2: Simply stated, Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. I said

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Speaker 3: Wrong.

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Speaker 2: He has no idea why I am now on my

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Speaker 2: After Trump said everyone needs to evacuate to Ran, you

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Speaker 2: Think the most irresponsible statement that has ever been made

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Speaker 5: So are you going to target the Supreme Leader.

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Speaker 4: And imagine what this regime that caused death to America

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Speaker 4: American flag. You want these people to have nuclear weapons

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Speaker 4: It's tell Aviv Tomorrow's New York. Look, I understand America first,

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Speaker 1: this is obvious from day one. This is a regime

436
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Speaker 1: decapitoation operation with a nuclear sideshow. The nuclear aspect is

437
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Speaker 1: just a pretext basically to incite regime change. But they're

438
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Speaker 1: really giving it away here, I mean basically talking about

439
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Speaker 1: making the Middle East great again. BB gave an interview

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Speaker 1: yesterday to Iranian opposition. He says, if the US helps

441
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Speaker 1: Israel assassinate the Ayatola, it will quote help end the conflict.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: Officials tell us that the President flatly rejected a plan

444
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Speaker 5: an opportunity that the EU that the Israelis had to

445
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Speaker 5: take out the Supreme leader. Do you understand his concern?

446
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Speaker 5: My My understanding is his concern is that this would

447
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Speaker 5: escalate the conflict beyond where it is already.

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Speaker 4: It's not going to escalate the conflict. It's going to

449
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Speaker 4: end the conflicts. Imagine what will happen if they had

450
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Speaker 4: nuclear weapons and the ICBMs, the intercontinental ballistic missiles to

451
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Speaker 4: deliver it to every place on Earth. We're preventing the

452
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Speaker 4: most terrific war imaginable, and we're bringing peace to the

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Speaker 4: Middle East. And I believe that after our action, we're

454
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Speaker 4: going to be able to bring the Middle East to

455
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Speaker 4: new heights that nobody even imagined, you know, make the

456
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Speaker 4: Middle East great again, make it truly.

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Speaker 1: Great, make the Middle East great again. I mean, look,

458
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Speaker 1: it's insaneosteris It's the same thing. I mean, it's literally

459
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Speaker 1: nineteen fifty three all over again. We've got the Shah's

460
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Speaker 1: son here, he knows everything about Iran, put him in power.

461
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Speaker 1: He got Israeli government ministers, you know, putting out photos

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Speaker 1: with the sha son. I wish I was making this

463
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Speaker 1: shit up. It's insane. I mean two thousand, you know,

464
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Speaker 1: I realized this is probably a massive segment of our audience.

465
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Speaker 1: It doesn't really remember a lot of the details of

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Speaker 1: the war in Iraq. But the war in Iraq had

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Speaker 1: their own, you know, Shah. His name was Akment Chalabi

468
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Speaker 1: and he was a guy rolling around here in Washington,

469
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Speaker 1: and he was friends and he convinced Bush and a

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Speaker 1: lot of other neo kons here in DC that he

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Speaker 1: was representative of the real Iraqi people. The reason you

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Speaker 1: guys have never heard of him is because about six

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Speaker 1: months into the war, they're like, yeah, this ain't gonna work.

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Speaker 1: And you know who they ended up elected, people who

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Speaker 1: ended up igniting a massive civil war in their country,

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Speaker 1: which killed you know, thousands of American soldiers, millions of

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Speaker 1: Iraqi citizens, and to this day it remains basically an

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Speaker 1: Iranian outpost. Ironically, if you really think about it, so

479
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Speaker 1: all together, like everything that is old is new again,

480
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Speaker 1: and you know, the rhetoric is exactly the same. But

481
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Speaker 1: what's so dismaying is that people are not looking and

482
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Speaker 1: learning the lessons of all of those And it's just

483
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Speaker 1: so dismaying to me because the downside risk of all

484
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Speaker 1: of this is so immense. Look, I'm not going to

485
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Speaker 1: sit here and say World War three. But at this

486
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Speaker 1: point I genuinely think the best case, the best case

487
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Speaker 1: scenario for this is Libya. How did that work out?

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Speaker 1: I mean, look at Benghazi, look at those cities. I

489
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Speaker 1: mean they collapsed into disaster. Look at the Syrian Civil War.

490
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Speaker 1: How many millions of people were affected and hundreds of

491
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Speaker 1: thousands are dead. Look at the fallout, Look at the

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Speaker 1: American intervention we end up backing aside. There's civil and

493
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Speaker 1: then this is a country ninety million people, almost one

494
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Speaker 1: third the size of the United States. They have sizable

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Speaker 1: ethnic minority populations. They have chemical and biological weapon stocks,

496
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Speaker 1: likely you know, stash in different places, easily could come

497
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Speaker 1: under control of this or that and the next thing,

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Speaker 1: you know, what's going to happen, the same thing. We

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Speaker 1: had US troops in Libya doing special operations rates fighting isis.

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Speaker 1: We had to bomb Syria, I mean everybody, and we

501
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Speaker 1: still have troops in Syria to this day. Yeah, and

502
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Speaker 1: that happened in two thousand and fourteen. It will be

503
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Speaker 1: a disaster and it will have ramifications for years to

504
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Speaker 1: come and keep us embroiled in the Middle East. I mean,

505
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Speaker 1: in the nightmare scenario, it's not World War three. I

506
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Speaker 1: don't think, you know, Russia and China and all that

507
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Speaker 1: were going to happen. But the nightmare scenario to me

508
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Speaker 1: is hundreds of thousands of American troops who have to

509
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Speaker 1: secure US interests in the Straits of Hormuz or to

510
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Speaker 1: protect you know, oh, protect this asset, or protect that

511
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Speaker 1: it doesn't happen, you know, all at once. Remember Vietnam. Oh,

512
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Speaker 1: just a few advisors, that's it. All that, and then

513
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Speaker 1: it scales up and it up and up. We went

514
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Speaker 1: into Afghanistan with the promise that we would be put

515
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Speaker 1: putting out the Taliban, then we would be out. We

516
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Speaker 1: went into Iraq. Donald Rumsfeld's plan to go into Iraq

517
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Speaker 1: as we would knock the regime over, we would replace it,

518
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Speaker 1: would be out within two years. They literally called it

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Speaker 1: a cakewalk on national television. We were there for over

520
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Speaker 1: a decade. And so we are watching this all play

521
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Speaker 1: out in the same way. The people, the civilians are

522
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Speaker 1: going to suffer that a lot of American service members,

523
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Speaker 1: you could suffer too.

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Speaker 2: And everything that BB says is like the polar opposite

525
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Speaker 2: of the truth. The idea that this aggressive, illegal war

526
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Speaker 2: of choice would protect Americans is insane. To Soccer's point,

527
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Speaker 2: it would put Americans at risk. It would immediately put

528
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Speaker 2: at risk the Americans, the thousands of Americans who are.

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Speaker 3: Already serving in the region.

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Speaker 2: So it would and think of the catastrophic blowback and

531
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Speaker 2: fallout from our misadventures in Iraq that spurred more terrorism

532
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Speaker 2: that you know, they talk about Iran as like the

533
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Speaker 2: number one sponsor of terror in the world. Like the

534
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Speaker 2: amount of terrorism that we fomented through our disastrous you know,

535
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Speaker 2: decision to go into a rock is unbelievable. So you

536
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Speaker 2: talk about, you know, Libya, Okay, let's imagine they get

537
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Speaker 2: their wish and they turn Iran into a fail state

538
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Speaker 2: in the way that Libya is. Libya is a population

539
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Speaker 2: of seven million people, exactly. Syria is a population of

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Speaker 2: about twenty four million people.

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Speaker 3: Iran is ninety million people.

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Speaker 2: You think having a failed state of ninety million people

543
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Speaker 2: is going to make the Middle East great again? Like insanity,

544
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Speaker 2: psychopathic insanity, the amount of human misery that we would

545
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Speaker 2: watch unfold. I mean, it's just you can't you can't

546
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Speaker 2: wrap your head around it. And so everything that BB

547
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Speaker 2: says is the polar opposite of reality and flies in

548
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Speaker 2: the face of all of the lessons that we should

549
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Speaker 2: have learned over these many years of mis adventure in

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Speaker 2: the Middle East, and not even just the recent.

551
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Speaker 3: History that we've been around and cognizant for. I mean,

552
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Speaker 3: the reason we have this.

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Speaker 2: Iranian government to start with is because US intervention in

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Speaker 2: the Middle East.

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Speaker 3: So you know, the fact that we're back to.

556
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Speaker 2: The well and even contemplating this, and look, maybe he's

557
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Speaker 2: going to decide to the last you know what, we're

558
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Speaker 2: going to take the diplomatic option, if that's even if

559
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Speaker 2: the space for that is even still open, because there's

560
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Speaker 2: no doubt the space has been narrowed by the fact

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Speaker 2: that they admitted and bragged about lying to the Iranians

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Speaker 2: about their interest in a diplomatic resolution, not to mention

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Speaker 2: the fact that the previous deal that the Iranians had

564
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Speaker 2: agreed to under the Obama administration had immediately been you know,

565
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Speaker 2: pulled back, and we got out of it under the

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Speaker 2: first Trump administration. So it's not like we have a

567
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Speaker 2: lot of credibility. But maybe they decide to pursue that

568
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Speaker 2: last ditch diplomatic effort. Maybe there's enough space remaining for

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Speaker 2: the Iranians to come to some sort of a deal

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Speaker 2: with the US.

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Speaker 3: But the fact that this is.

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Speaker 2: Even being contemplated is so outrageous and unconscionable.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean that we could get it to

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Speaker 1: that in the immediate term. I you know, I'm like you,

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Speaker 1: I just hope that there is at least some off

576
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Speaker 1: ram But I gotta tell you, I don't see it.

577
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Speaker 1: I don't see I really really hope that I am wrong.

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Speaker 1: But I have not spoken really with any person who

579
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Speaker 1: is actually very optimistic about that possibility. You know, let's see.

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Speaker 2: The Israeli yesterday started putting out threats against Iranian journalists

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Speaker 2: and specifically the Iranian state broadcasters, and then let's go

582
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Speaker 2: to a eleven guys.

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Speaker 3: We can put these just.

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Speaker 2: Horrifying and extraordinary images up on the screen while this

585
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Speaker 2: woman is broadcasting live. You can see her here talking,

586
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Speaker 2: they attack the building that she's in, and shortly thereafter,

587
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Speaker 2: actually incredibly is she and her colleague there come come

588
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Speaker 2: back on air and are able to you know, talk

589
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Speaker 2: presumably about what unfolded. But I mean, this is the

590
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Speaker 2: sort of thing soccer that's just like normalize. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the number of journalists that they murdered in Gaza with

592
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Speaker 2: scarcely a word, by the way, outside of trey yinst

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Speaker 2: of Fox News from Western media about the targeting, targeted

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Speaker 2: assassinations of journalists inside of Gaza.

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Speaker 3: And now you have this.

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Speaker 2: You know, they announced that they were going to attack

597
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Speaker 2: this broadcaster.

598
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Speaker 3: They did it.

599
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Speaker 2: While they're live on air, and again silence from any

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Speaker 2: sort of you know, the Western media supposedly care so

601
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Speaker 2: much about journalism. We have to put a twelve up

602
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Speaker 2: on the screen so you can see what I'm talking

603
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Speaker 2: about here in terms of the threat. They say, well,

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Speaker 2: the Iranian regimes television stations be attacked soon. Defense Minister

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Speaker 2: cats the mouthpiece of Iranian propaganda and incitement is on

606
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Speaker 2: its way to disappearing. So they don't even feel the

607
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Speaker 2: need to like pretend that this was an accident or

608
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Speaker 2: they were going after military targets. They're just happy to

609
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Speaker 2: announce it directly blatant war crime and put the next

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Speaker 2: piece up on the screen. Afterwards they confirmed they said

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Speaker 2: the same. Defense Minister says, the Iranian Regimes propaganda incitement

612
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Speaker 2: broadcasting authority was attacked by the IDF, so just out

613
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Speaker 2: and out admitting it was them. After this all unfolded,

614
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Speaker 2: the Iranians decided that they would go ahead and then

615
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Speaker 2: threaten some of the Israeli propaganda channels. We could put

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Speaker 2: this up on the screen channel twelve and channel thirteen,

617
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Speaker 2: or it says evacuate the headquarters of channel twelve and fourteen.

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Speaker 2: Sorry Israeli channels twelve and fourteen. Immediately this was Iran

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Speaker 2: in Arabic account on Platform X issuing this warning message.

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Speaker 2: As far as I know, nothing happened at those stations,

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Speaker 2: But just unbelievable the impunity that the Israelis act with

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Speaker 2: at this point. I mean, there's just no like previous

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Speaker 2: norm or law of war that they respect whatsoever. They've

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Speaker 2: detonated car bombs in Tehran, brag about that as well,

625
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Speaker 2: the pager attack which maimed and killed innocent people who

626
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Speaker 2: happened to be nearby. You know, people were going about there,

627
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: they were at the market or whatever when these things

628
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: blew up. There was all sorts of collateral damage. And they,

629
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Speaker 2: you know, they bribed about that. They're super proud of it.

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Speaker 2: They killed a bunch of the assassinations that they were

631
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Speaker 2: able to accomplish here in this war that they started

632
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Speaker 2: to begin with. Those things they were assassinated like in

633
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Speaker 2: their beds at their homes, which means that their wives,

634
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Speaker 2: their children, their neighbors were also killed. The civilian death

635
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Speaker 2: toll is that some ninety percent is the estimate right now.

636
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Speaker 2: And so there's just no limit because they've been allowed

637
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Speaker 2: to act with so such impunity and with zero accountability

638
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Speaker 2: from the world.

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Speaker 1: Right and you know, okay, you could the justification is, oh,

640
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Speaker 1: it's state broadcasting. It's part of the propaganda. And it's like, well, okay,

641
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Speaker 1: anybody who has ever studied a regime change operation or coup,

642
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: you know in Africa, this is one of those classic things.

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Speaker 1: What is the first thing that the rebels always want

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Speaker 1: to do? You see state broadcasting and the ability of

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Speaker 1: the regime to be able to get its message out there.

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Speaker 1: So even let's just stay purely on strategic grounds, what

647
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Speaker 1: does this indicate I must saying about no nuclear weapons program?

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Speaker 3: This is about Lady was like a nuclear scientist.

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Speaker 1: About nuclear weapons. Yeah, this is about regime change. This

650
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Speaker 1: is about degrading the ability to get the message out.

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Speaker 1: This is about reducing their state capacity to trying to

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Speaker 1: foment chaos. There's also there's so much Israeli cope online

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Speaker 1: about how these Iranians are just you know, screaming out

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Speaker 1: for freedom and for lack of repression. Now, not going

655
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Speaker 1: to doubt that there are a lot of Iranians who

656
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Speaker 1: are upset with the regime. But you know, even today

657
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Speaker 1: I was looking were some of the most prominent Iranian

658
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Speaker 1: activists against the regime are like you, Donald Trump and

659
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Speaker 1: Bebie not only you know, killing civilians whatever and causing

660
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Speaker 1: chaos in Tehran, but you know, this whole evacuate Tehran

661
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Speaker 1: order is one of the most like unhuman things that

662
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Speaker 1: we've ever seen in terms of chaos, in terms of

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Speaker 1: just think about if somebody told you you need to

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Speaker 1: That message was posted two thirty am Tehran time. We

665
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Speaker 1: have what the inevitable. We were told repeatedly, Israel will

666
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Speaker 1: finish the job on its own. We're not asking anything

667
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Speaker 1: from the United States. Then slowly it was okay, well,

668
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Speaker 1: we just need you to defend us. We we'll keep going offensively.

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Speaker 1: And now here we have Yoev Golan. He's the former

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Speaker 1: Minister of Defense for bb Net and Yahoo, presided over

671
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Speaker 1: much of the Gaza war goes on CNN. Of course,

672
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Speaker 1: these guys never know how to do an interview with

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Speaker 1: their own television networks, and what does he say. He says,

674
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Speaker 1: America has an obligation to actually enter the war offensively

675
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Speaker 1: and to take out I run, let's take a listen.

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Speaker 6: I believe that the United States of America and the

677
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Speaker 6: President of the United States evan obligation to make sure

678
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Speaker 6: that the region is going to a positive way and

679
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 6: that the world is free from Iran that possessed nuclear

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Speaker 6: weapon in the the middle of the richest place in

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Speaker 6: oil and gas in the world. This could be a

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Speaker 6: disaster for the world. And I believe that the termination

683
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Speaker 6: of the American president that have been shown recently will

684
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Speaker 6: pave the way to America to enter into this very

685
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Speaker 6: important operation. The President of the United States have the

686
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Speaker 6: option to change the Middle East and influence the war

687
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Speaker 6: and influence the world, not only the war, in order

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Speaker 6: to do something that will create a better future of.

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Speaker 1: All of us. America has an obligation. So there you

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Speaker 1: have it. I mean, these people are shameless. They will

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Speaker 1: say that they're doing it all themselves. And now they've

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Speaker 1: basically spent the last five days just begging for US involvement,

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Speaker 1: and in a sense, as you said, they actually created

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Speaker 1: the crisis which would necessitate quote unquote US intervention because

695
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Speaker 1: if the Aranians are like, screw it, Okay, let's sprint

696
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: to the bomb, then what there's only one force in

697
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: the world that can take them out. They went into

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Speaker 1: the operation knowing from day one they would never be

699
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Speaker 1: able to destroy the Iranian nuclear facilities. They could degrade it.

700
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Speaker 1: That's not the same thing. And at this point, also

701
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Speaker 1: if the US position is basically zero nuclear weapons, again

702
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Speaker 1: it's very difficult to square if you're the Uranians, and

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Speaker 1: this is where you need strategic empathy. I'm not, you know,

704
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Speaker 1: in any way sympathetic or whatever to the Iranian regime.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to try and put myself in their shoes.

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Speaker 1: If you have the entire higher echelon of military command assassinated,

707
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Speaker 1: if you negotiated and thought they were serious and then

708
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Speaker 1: they bombed, they used that as cover to bomb you,

709
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Speaker 1: why would you look, what would you do? And in

710
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: a sense too, for from this point forward, as we

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Speaker 1: learned with Libya, if you give up your nukes, they

712
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Speaker 1: may still take you out a decade from now, So

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Speaker 1: why would you do it? You would not do it.

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Speaker 1: I would say, sprint to a nuke and let's fight

715
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Speaker 1: to the death. I mean, look, it's grim, don't get

716
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Speaker 1: me wrong, but you know this is where also people

717
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Speaker 1: talk about the ideology and that well there's ideology baked

718
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: into that as well, right, and be like, look, this

719
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: is a final face off between us and the evil West,

720
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Speaker 1: and so be it. You know, millions will die. Look

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Speaker 1: at the Hitler and Bunker theory or the way that

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Speaker 1: the Japanese high command is willing to sacrifice their own civilians.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, you didn't see mass rise up

724
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Speaker 1: against them because the uncomfortable and truth is that unconditional

725
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: surrender set the conditions in which the people accepted their

726
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: own death trap, and they themselves said, okay, this is it.

727
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Speaker 1: We will join the regime even though we hate them

728
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: on these various things, to fight them. I'm not saying

729
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: that's necessarily going to happen, but it's very, very very possible.

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Speaker 1: That's the biggest problem with all.

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Speaker 2: I mean, true to Parsi says that there has been

732
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Speaker 2: a real rally around the flag effect.

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Speaker 1: In a run, somebody bombs you. What are you going

734
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Speaker 1: to do if somebody bombs us, I'd be like.

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Speaker 2: Okay, threatens Well, you know, however, many million people in

736
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Speaker 2: New York City, Like, of course you're going to think

737
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Speaker 2: of the for those of you who are old enough

738
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 2: to remember the patriotic fervor after nine to eleven, right,

739
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: I mean the country really did you know the number

740
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Speaker 2: of people signed up for the military and bought into

741
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 2: the propaganda about why we have to go into or

742
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: I mean, it was off the charts, and so yes,

743
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Speaker 2: of course there's going to be a rally around the

744
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Speaker 2: flag effect as you have the Israelis bombing them and

745
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Speaker 2: the US threatening them and involved in the bombing, and

746
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 2: so you are actually forging a much more cohesive nation

747
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: and much more support for a you know, government that

748
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 2: by all accounts, was pretty unpopular at this point. And

749
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Speaker 2: you know, in terms of the logic with regard to

750
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Speaker 2: to nukes, they have to be thinking like, shit, we

751
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: should never have even negotiated with Obama. We should have

752
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 2: just gone for we should have just gone ahead because

753
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Speaker 2: they we wouldn't feel so comfortable messing with them now,

754
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 2: and the Israelis would not feel so comfortable messing with

755
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Speaker 2: them now. Those I that is the logic that our

756
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Speaker 2: foreign policy has created, and it was entirely predictable, and

757
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: in fact, I know the Israelis understood this going in

758
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Speaker 2: that counter to their narrative that their attacks and their

759
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: degrading of Iranian nuclear facilities and also you know, like

760
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: going after military and political leadership and their attacks now

761
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 2: on oil and energy infrastructure and all the rest, far

762
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Speaker 2: from limiting their nuclear capacity or degrading the calculus or

763
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Speaker 2: the desire to rush towards the nuclear weapon, they knew

764
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Speaker 2: going in that the logic would be, all right, well,

765
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Speaker 2: now we have to go after a nuke. And that's

766
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Speaker 2: exactly why they did it, because they knew that they

767
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Speaker 2: had to block this diplomacy that was ongoing before it

768
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Speaker 2: actually succeeded. And this is their big chance to create,

769
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Speaker 2: to create a dynamic where they have leverage with us

770
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Speaker 2: to try to pressure us into this war. And it

771
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: looks very grim in terms of Trump buying into that

772
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 2: logic and getting played and going all along with them.

773
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Speaker 3: And that is not to, by.

774
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Speaker 2: The way, take away his agency, because nothing drives me

775
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: more crazy than all of this cope about like always

776
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 2: being misled by the neocons. No, he's a big boy.

777
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 2: It's very clear him making these decisions, and he is

778
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: the reason why we are in the position that we

779
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: are in right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you want the blackest of all pills,

781
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Speaker 1: let's go ahead and put a ten up there on

782
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Speaker 1: the screen. Quote. This is the latest poll just came

783
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Speaker 1: out yesterday from Grayhouse. By the way, we don't know

784
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: a ton about this, but this is the only polling

785
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Speaker 1: that we really have this organization. Do you support the

786
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Speaker 1: US support attacking Iran if necessary? Now? I think if

787
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 1: necessary is important. But this is amongst Trump twenty twenty

788
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Speaker 1: four voters yes, seventy two nineteen.

789
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Speaker 7: Yeah.

790
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Speaker 2: No, it'll be overwhelmed on the Republican base, it will

791
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Speaker 2: be overwhelming and overwhelming support.

792
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Speaker 1: It will be I will I question whether there will

793
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Speaker 1: be some Democrats too, because this is one where I

794
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: think that the Democratic base will be against it. Yeah,

795
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: but there's no democratic leadership against the war right now.

796
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 1: In a way, there's silence is nothing. Yeah, silence speaks volume.

797
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 3: They've been pathetic.

798
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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I thought the thing that happened with

799
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 2: Alex Padilla was bad. Going to freaking war with Iran

800
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 2: is way worse. And they were so much more exercise

801
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: over you know, him being wrestled to the ground after

802
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: he tried to, you know, ask a question of Christy.

803
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: You know, I'm at a conference again.

804
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 3: That was bad.

805
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 2: Potential World War three is worse, Okay, vastly worse, and

806
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 2: the silence is absolutely deafening. I do want the one

807
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: little glimmer of positivity here. You have some bipartisan effort

808
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 2: to put forward a War Powers resolution to say basically like, hey,

809
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: you can't do this, you can't enter a war with

810
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 2: Iran without getting the backing of Congress. And so you

811
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: had Tim Kaine in the Senate along with here's the

812
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Speaker 2: full list.

813
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 3: This is as of.

814
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 2: Ten thirty pm last night. You have Tim Kaine, Bernie Sanders,

815
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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Warren, Jeff Berkley, Chris van Holland, Ed Markey, Tammy Baldwin,

816
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: and Tina Smith. So all Democrats only in the Senate.

817
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 2: In the House, you do have Thomas Massey, the lone

818
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 2: Republican who was signed on for a similar War Powers

819
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 2: resolution along with Rokana Rashidah to leave AOC.

820
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 3: That's all we got so.

821
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: Far, So pretty slim pickings. You know, there are a

822
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: handful of Democrats. Tim Kane was pretty early to come

823
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 2: out and say this unacceptable. Bernie Sanders has been probably

824
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: the most vocal AOC signing on.

825
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 3: But you're absolutely right that it's so like, it's so.

826
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Speaker 2: Enraging that you have this moment when the president is

827
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Speaker 2: contemplating dragging us in to this horrifying war at great

828
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 2: cost and risk to our people, to regional stability, to

829
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 2: civilians and human life in and around Iran, and there

830
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: is just very little opposition being mounted from the supposed

831
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Speaker 2: opposition party.

832
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 3: It is utterly pathetic.

833
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: Look, and I'm going to say something unpopular, but I

834
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: think it's just basically true. At this point MAGA they're

835
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: going to support Trump no matter what. If he supported

836
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: a deal, they would say, Look, he's the greatest genius

837
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: of all time. If he goes to war, they'd be like, oh,

838
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: they had to come in and Trump. Trump is the preeminent.

839
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: He is the force. It's the only thing that matters.

840
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: There is no policy behind it. I made my peace

841
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: with that long ago. And for many people talking about

842
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: the MAGA base wants this or that is honestly bullshit. Okay, like, look,

843
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: we've had ten years now at this point. But but

844
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: and this is where maybe this is very elitist to me.

845
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Speaker 1: This is why I almost think it doesn't matter. This

846
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: isn't about popular will. This is alt. At the end

847
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: of the day, foreign policy is the most elite of

848
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: elite concerns. It's very rarely ranks in the highest of

849
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: the priorities unless a war actually starts. Let's look at

850
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: the past. The vast majority of the American people supported Iraq.

851
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: They said later that they didn't, but they did. That's why, though,

852
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: this is an intra elite war over foreign policy theory

853
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: basically to affect the White House. And unfortunately that's actually

854
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: where Israel has the highest strategic advantage because so much

855
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: of Washington is basically influenced by Israel and or they had,

856
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: you know, the ideology. It's not even just money, it's

857
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: really it's about like affinity, like the ability to you know,

858
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,959
Speaker 1: they have all these free pre junkets over there, people

859
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: spend time over there. They get to know that there's

860
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: this great influence campaign and a soft and a hard

861
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: level that's been going on for I don't know eighty

862
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: years now, basically since its existence. So you have that, and.

863
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 2: There's an ideological belief that Israel is an important strategic interest.

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Speaker 1: For US, so you have that right that pervades Washington.

865
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Speaker 1: So all of this what's happening right now. I actually

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Speaker 1: don't think it has anything to do with MAGA. I

867
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Speaker 1: really don't. This is not really a democratic question, small d.

868
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Speaker 1: This is really a question at the foreign policy elite level,

869
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: especially because Trump is such a cult of personality, that is,

870
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: people will back him no matter what. That's part of

871
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: this whole like, oh, the MAGA base and all of

872
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: that will fracture. I think all of those arguments are specious. Really,

873
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: the way that we should argue about this is this

874
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: a good idea or a bad idea. That's it. That's

875
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: purely all that matters, especially when we know that we

876
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: have this group of voters which will go with him

877
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: no matter what this does. Though, and we'll talk about

878
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Speaker 1: this in the Tucker segment. Put a lot of the

879
00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: people who have an audience, who are almost solely based,

880
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: sickly comprised of MAGA, in a very very tough position

881
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 1: because a lot of them actually do have genuine beliefs

882
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: and or principles or philosophies about the way things should

883
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: be done. And then when they go against an or

884
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: counter to Donald Trump, you're going to find yourself in

885
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: a very very difficult position. This is the difficulty in

886
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: the conundrum of anybody who is complete, like really totally

887
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: tied to Donald Trump as an identity and as part

888
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: of why when you do have a differing opinion, you

889
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: at the end of the day will always lose. You

890
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: will lose to Trump and you will lose to the

891
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: Maga base, which is really really unfortunate. Now there are

892
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: alternative power centers here. And this is again the lesson

893
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: from the war in Iraq, Barbara Jordan and the people

894
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: who voted against the war in Iraq and three were villains.

895
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 1: They called them treason. They wanted to throw them in jail.

896
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 1: They were vindicated in a span of just three years.

897
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: So if you believe what you believe, stand up and

898
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: say it now, you could be wrong. I listen, the

899
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: shot Stun could be in power, the Israelis could be

900
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: totally successful. I'll eat it. I'd be happy, honestly, I

901
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: would be happy if this all ended up well, because

902
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: they would mean Americans are dead and the Iranian people

903
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: are happy. I just don't think it's going to happen.

904
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Speaker 1: I think I have a lot of evidence to back

905
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: that up. I don't think they have very much evidence

906
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: on their side. Yeah, to be able to say that.

907
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: And so when the time comes and the bill can come,

908
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: do you know, eventually things will come around and so America, look,

909
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: I think they will support this war. Unfortunately, I'm just

910
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: telling the truth. Most people don't spend their days reading

911
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: books or they don't know anything about Libya or Syria.

912
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: They're like, eh, something happened there or whatever. But you know,

913
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: at the end you'll come to find that it was

914
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: a big mistake in the long run.

915
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Speaker 2: Last thing, and then we can move on to this

916
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 2: bit about the Israelis blocking their own systems from leaving

917
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: the country and trying to block our citistens from leaving

918
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: their country as well. This was actually one of the

919
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: pieces that was very ominous yesterday. Put eight three up

920
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: on the screen and we'll talk more about Tucker and

921
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 2: the Tucker block. But Trunk yesterday we had covered, had

922
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,760
Speaker 2: said that he was sing sniping at Tucker and was like, listen,

923
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 2: I say what America first is. And unfortunately he's right

924
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 2: about that, and so he went more aggressively at Tucker yesterday.

925
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 2: He said, somebody please explain to Kookie Tucker Carlson that

926
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 2: Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.

927
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Speaker 3: And like that.

928
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: I mean the number of Magavo people like Laura Lumer

929
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: that I've been seeing attacking Tucker, you know, because Trump says, Okay,

930
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:13,959
Speaker 2: he's in the out group.

931
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Speaker 3: Now, that's it. And Tucker has barely.

932
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Speaker 2: Even like hasn't really actually even criticized Trump. He's just

933
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: been mostly doing the whole like, oh, there's these forces

934
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 2: inside the administration that you're trying to convince Trump blah

935
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: blah blah.

936
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Speaker 3: But the fact that Trump felt.

937
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 2: The need to effectively like excize him from the coalition

938
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Speaker 2: I think was also very troubling.

939
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Speaker 1: Will I don't know, but yeah, I mean that is

940
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: a great lesson in terms of how the relationship with

941
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 1: Donald Trump works.

942
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: And yeah, that's where we're sitting there next to him

943
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 2: at the RNC. They were the best buddies not very

944
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 2: long ago.

945
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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, a relationship only runs one way. At the

946
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: same time, within Israel, there is an extraordinary development. Let's

947
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: go and put this up there on the screen. There's

948
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: a new report here from a New Policy which is

949
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Speaker 1: an American lobbying organization for US policy towards the Middle East,

950
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Speaker 1: actually advancing national interests. Here's what they say. Quote sources

951
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: tell US At a meeting yesterday between US Ambassador Mike

952
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: Huckabee and Israeli Prime Minister net Yahoo devolved into a

953
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: shouting match over Netanyahu's objections to US plans to evacuate

954
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: citizens from Israel and the wider region. US officials believe

955
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: that the net Yahoo objection was predicated on his desire

956
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: to hold US citizens at risk in order to increase

957
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Speaker 1: the likelihood of US entry into Israel's conflict with Iran.

958
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: So let's sit on that for a little bit, shall we.

959
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: First of all, there are seven hundred thousand Americans. This

960
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: is the current belief within Israel, seven hundred thousand. I

961
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 1: believe they have the largest outside American citizen population then Mexico,

962
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: which tells you quite a bit. However, there is a

963
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: little bit of a difference is that many of these

964
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Speaker 1: people are dual citizens according to the data that we have.

965
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: But it also is being used as a pretext for

966
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Speaker 1: why the United States has such a quote obligation to

967
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Speaker 1: defend Israel. Now, let's just say Mexico, all right, So

968
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: if Mexico, who do they share a border with Guatemala.

969
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: So if Guatemala was bombing Mexico, would we intervene to

970
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: protect Americans in Mexico. Yeah, I don't think so. I

971
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 1: don't think that that logic works all that well. There's

972
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: a secondary element to this, which is that it currently

973
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: at least a lot of these US citizens don't seem

974
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Speaker 1: to be allowed to leave. You know, we haven't seen

975
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: yet some of the reports there, and obviously the flight

976
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: situation there is pretty crazy. But almost every one of

977
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: the other great powers has told their citizens to evacuate immediately. Yesterday,

978
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: the Chinese Foreign Ministry issued his statements that all Chinese

979
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: citizens should leave Israel immediately. The Russian Foreign Ministry came

980
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: out and said all Russian citizens should leave immediately. There's

981
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: actually a huge Russian population in Israel. A lot of

982
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 1: people don't know that. But the point is is that

983
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: those countries seem to be have the ability to tell

984
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: their citizens to leave right now. I believe we do

985
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 1: have travel advisories and all of that, but the question

986
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: is about their ability to do so. And this pairs

987
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: and this is already confirmed. This isn't even based on

988
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: a report. Put this up there on the screen from Haretz,

989
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: which is an Israeli news organization. Israel Tail's Airlines do

990
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: not let Israeli citizens leave, even once repatriation flights are

991
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: able to continue. Quote estimates suggest rescue flights for Israelately

992
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: stranded abroad won't begin before Thursday, and even then only

993
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: two flights per hour be allowed during daylight. And the

994
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: plan does not match the scale of the crisis. So

995
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: I mean, effectively, what you're seeing is that they are

996
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: locking their people basically in their borders in the same

997
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: way that Ukraine tried to do so in order to

998
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: force everybody to fight in the draft. And they're afraid.

999
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: I guess of the you know, the number of Israelis

1000
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: that do have dual citizenship all around the world, who

1001
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: could take advantage of that and say I'm getting the

1002
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: hell out of here, I don't want to fight in

1003
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: this war, or you know, hiding a bomb shelter every

1004
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: other day raises some profound questions about human shields and

1005
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: locking people basically in a death trap and forcing them

1006
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: of their own defeat. I'm not going to deny, and

1007
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: there's probably a lot of Israelis. I would say that

1008
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: vasherajority of Israelis probably support this war based on all

1009
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: the polling. Yeah, we seen agreed. Let's be honest, but

1010
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: at least some of them want to leave, and the

1011
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 1: I think that the action by the Israeli government speaks volumes.

1012
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't want so first of all, to go

1013
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 2: back to US citizens.

1014
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big being.

1015
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 3: Blocked from leaving.

1016
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 2: We don't know if they were able to actually, you know,

1017
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 2: like Convince how could be in the US administration.

1018
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 3: Of that policy.

1019
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 2: But what they're saying here they want to use American

1020
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 2: citizens as human shields, Like that is what that means.

1021
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 2: And they want to use American citizens as pawns in

1022
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 2: their game to try to force an escalation and force

1023
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 2: US to come in on their side. I guarantee you

1024
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 2: they are praying for the Iranians to hit some US

1025
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 2: military base and to kill some American service members so

1026
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 2: that the war fever picks up here in the US

1027
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 2: and this administration feels even more pressure, is even more

1028
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 2: likely to directly join the fight on Israel's behalf. That's

1029
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 2: how sick they are, Like, that's what they're cheering for,

1030
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 2: Which is why you shouldn't put like some you know,

1031
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 2: false flag, fake attack past them either, because they've done

1032
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: such things in the past. So I mean, this is

1033
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: not to be conspiratorial. This is to be a student

1034
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 2: of history and understand their logic and what they are

1035
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 2: capable of. You can't put anything past these people at

1036
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 2: this point. So their stated policy goal, their desire that

1037
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 2: they're a arguing with our completely psycho by the way

1038
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 2: US Ambassador to Israel micagobi Abilis and all this end

1039
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 2: times nonsense. Their stated policy objective is to trap American

1040
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 2: citizens in Israel, to use them as human shields to

1041
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,919
Speaker 2: try to foment and escalate a further, even larger scale war.

1042
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 3: That's where we are.

1043
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 2: And with regard to their own citizens, I think sober

1044
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 2: is exactly right.

1045
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 3: Number one.

1046
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 2: They don't want images of thousands or tens of thousands

1047
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 2: of Israelis fleeing the country.

1048
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 3: They don't want that.

1049
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 2: They also, i think, are concerned because this is the

1050
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 2: country that you know, was really overstretched militarily. You know,

1051
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 2: you've got the uh Gaza genocide occupation, you have a

1052
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 2: siege that was implemented in the West Bank and increasingly

1053
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 2: aggressive actions there. You've had bombing campaigns in numerous regional

1054
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 2: neighbor neighbors, and you have you know, a reserve corp

1055
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 2: that's been called up again and again and again. So

1056
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 2: they're worried also on just like a tactical level of

1057
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 2: losing additional amount of their manpower of people you know,

1058
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 2: who flee overseas and don't want to be part of this,

1059
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 2: who may support the war broadly but may not exactly

1060
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 2: want to be the ones who are fighting it. So

1061
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 2: that's you know, that's the calculation their ageation, which is

1062
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Speaker 2: pretty grotesque.

1063
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Speaker 1: It's I mean, look, it's like I said, it speaks volumes.

1064
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 1: They don't want their own citizens to leave. But at

1065
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: the same time, again, let's not say that the vast

1066
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 1: majority of the people don't support this war and at

1067
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: least at least the political establishment does. Let's put this

1068
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 1: up there on the screen. This is from the Times

1069
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 1: of Israel, but the op position has actually rallied around

1070
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: the Iran campaign quote despite long opposing PM's leadership. Yeah,

1071
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: you're lapede, the primary opposition leader says, not now who

1072
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: must go, but not during the existential fight right in

1073
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Speaker 1: a while.

1074
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Speaker 3: This is happening right now and now.

1075
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Speaker 1: Tali Bennett, the former Prime minister, says there is no left,

1076
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Speaker 1: no opposition and no coalition when it comes to preventing

1077
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: Iranian nuclears all.

1078
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 2: So fucking fake, like just down of nowhere, they just

1079
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 2: make up, Oh, Iran's about to have nukes. They haven't

1080
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 2: offered any evidence of this. Our own intelligence community says

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Speaker 2: that is not the case. They aren't pursuing nukes, that

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Speaker 2: it would take three years. We've been hearing for decades

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Speaker 2: now that Iran is days away, weeks away, months away,

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Speaker 2: whatever I mean. Even Bebe himself isn't saying they're like

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Speaker 2: weeks away from an Iranian nuke. So this is all

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00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 2: about a political calculation by Bibnata Yahoo that number one,

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Speaker 2: he does not want the diplomatic negotiations that the Trump

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Speaker 2: administration was engaged in to succeed. Number two, he is

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Speaker 2: still very on very tenuous political footing himself.

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Speaker 3: And so this is a way to you know, in

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Speaker 3: the same way there's.

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Speaker 2: A rally around the flag effect in Iran, there's a

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00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 2: rally around the flag effect in Israel that you can

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00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 2: see here as evidenced by the opposition basically saying like

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00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 2: this is our guy for as long as this war continues,

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00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: We'll guess what that incentivizes war continuing forever. So that's

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Speaker 2: why this is happening right now. It has nothing to

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00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 2: do with any Iranian activities regarding developing a nuke. That

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00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 2: is the pretext and the goal here very clearly is

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Speaker 2: to collapse this government and foment either a failed state

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Speaker 2: or some sort of direct regime change. That is the

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Speaker 2: true aim of what they're doing. And so do not

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Speaker 2: believe all this, like don't get caught up in all

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Speaker 2: this nonsense, Trump tweeting out, oh, Iran cannot have a

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00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 2: new Okay, then keep going with your negotiations, which had

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00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 2: a genuine shot at success until you lied about them

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00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 2: to trick the Iranians and help to you know, close

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Speaker 2: the possibility of any sort of a diplomatic solution.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, especially what we're looking at right now

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Speaker 1: from Donald Trump. I mean what we see is just

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00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: you know, like not only a backing of the campaign,

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Speaker 1: but what you're also watching or just accepting a lot

1113
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: of these implicit assumptions like that this is a war

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Speaker 1: of necessity, that the Israeli intelligence is somehow better than

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00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 1: our intelligence. I don't believe that. I mean, look, Telsea

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00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: Gabbard signed it and testified before Congress under oath. If

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00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: she lied, go ahead and tell us, show us the proof. Right,

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Speaker 1: This is what I mean about Iraq. They actually did try.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they made up all of this bullshit about

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Speaker 1: yellow Cake and Curveball and niche Are. I mean, I

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00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: can tell you the whole story.

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Speaker 3: A lot to propaganda.

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Speaker 1: It took a while build up, Colan Powell, and you know,

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Speaker 1: there's no question that they're on their path to a WMD.

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Speaker 1: I was actually going back and reading the exact TikTok

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Speaker 1: of all of it. In a way, it's impressive the

1127
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: amount of bs that they were able to make sound legitimate.

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Speaker 1: They don't even try this time. It's all out here

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Speaker 1: in the open. They're just like, no our intelligence assessment.

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Speaker 1: I don't agree with her. That's what Trump said today.

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00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: And in terms of the Israeli society and government, it's

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00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: pretty clear they're united around this. Put B four up

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00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: here on the screen. We have Neftali Bennett, the former

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Speaker 1: Prime minister. What a peculiar country Israel. When Iranian missiles

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Speaker 1: rained down on US, two hundred thousand are scrambling to

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Speaker 1: come home, not away from danger, but towards it. I

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00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: love my nation of lions. It'd be interesting I'd see

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Speaker 1: what that number would be if they did actually allow

1139
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: outbound flights, but Israel finding it.

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Speaker 3: Away from danger, you're not letting them. I did say.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if this is confirmed or not, but

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Speaker 2: apparently some Israelis are taking like.

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00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 3: Yachts to Cyprus really too. Yeah, to get around the

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Speaker 3: error ban.

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Speaker 2: One last thing and then we can move on to

1146
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 2: this Tucker and Steve Bannon conversation, which is interesting. We

1147
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 2: got a number of pieces of it to share with you,

1148
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Speaker 2: But did you follow Tulsi put out that like weird

1149
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 2: ass nuclear review last week, and it was very ominous

1150
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 2: and she's talking about like the nuclear attacks, you know,

1151
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 2: are dropping the bombs in World War two and all

1152
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 2: the carnage from that, and sounding is very ominous warning.

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Speaker 3: And at the time, first I was like, what is this?

1154
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 2: And then also it felt like it was more And

1155
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 2: maybe it was in the contract text of like Ukraine

1156
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 2: Russia and the possibility of a nuclear conflagration there, But

1157
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 2: I don't know. Now with the outbreak of you know,

1158
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 2: US joining this war with a r I don't know

1159
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 2: if it was like more about that, I'm not sure,

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Speaker 2: but it was interesting to me.

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Speaker 3: Now looking back in.

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00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 2: Retrospect, I'm like, was she trying to send a message

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Speaker 2: as some sort of a plea for help.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, look at this point, look we're

1165
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: not there yet. But you know, for Tulsi, this is

1166
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: the person who staked her into and look, she's compromised.

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Speaker 1: I think many things that she said in the past,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think she has compromised herself on Iran

1169
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: and really on Iraq war, right, which is the central

1170
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: reason according to her. Just you know, when we spoke

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Speaker 1: to her as to why she wanted to get into politics,

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00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: it's like, if they do launch a war, you have

1173
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: to resign if you have any integrity whatsoever. I mean,

1174
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Speaker 1: but I don't think it'll happen, but I think she should.

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Speaker 1: There are a few other people in the administration. RFK

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Speaker 1: Junior is one of them as well. This is a

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Speaker 1: person who, look, he may be very very pro Israel,

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Speaker 1: but he has spoken repeatedly about the war in Iraq

1179
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: with a disasters neo conservative intervention. I mean, it's a

1180
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: separate question entirely if it involves like fully bombing, and

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00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: it's something by his admission, he said it was some

1182
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: of the most disastrous choices in US history. It's like, okay,

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00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: the same thing, you need to resign. There are a

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00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: lot of people in the administration who have literally forged

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00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: their way to you know, to Donald Trump and two

1186
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: working in their positions right now because of their opposition

1187
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: to forever Wars and other things. And so look, if

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00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: somebody's going to do such an about face, then you

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00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: kind of do have at least some you know, there's

1190
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Speaker 1: there's an integrity question here when it comes to that.

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00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: And if they don't, I mean they're going to be

1192
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: scarred for all times.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Look, we'll see in terms of how this works.

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Speaker 2: But I think you see is the one that really

1196
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 2: comes top of mind to Yeah, because she's just her

1197
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 2: whole thing is against the warmonds forever wars. That's our

1198
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 2: whole thing, right, And so if you and you have

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Speaker 2: Trump throwing you under directly under the bus now quite literally,

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Speaker 2: I don't care what she.

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00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: Said, you in front of the eyes of the world.

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01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: I mean, if you think about it, you know, the

1203
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: ODE and I the Office of the Director of National

1204
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: Intelligence supposed to be the boss of the entire US

1205
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: intelligence community. So she goes abroad and she's meeting with

1206
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: let's say, our five eyes people and said this is

1207
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: the US intelligence assessment. They're gonna be like, why should

1208
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: we believe you? You know that Donald Trump says he

1209
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: doesn't even trust you. Easy. He kicked your legs out

1210
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: from under you completely and neutered. I mean, it's it's

1211
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: honestly embarrassing. It's humiliating. I quote, I don't care what

1212
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Speaker 1: she said, right, I mean, this is one where it

1213
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 1: really is, uh, it really is just it's astounding and

1214
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: it is sad. Let's get to the Tucker segment because

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01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: it's important here as well. You know, this gives you

1216
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 1: some preview into the elements of the people who quote

1217
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: MAGA or MAGA leaders who are trying to push back

1218
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: and some of the futility which that has and perhaps

1219
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: though could preview, you know, some break in the coalition

1220
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: or at the very least at a leadership political level.

1221
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: So we'll see how this works. But Tucker Carlson actually

1222
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: flew to Washington yesterday, something that he rarely does, specifically

1223
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: just to sit down with Steve Bannon live in the

1224
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: studio and basically the campaign against US intervention in this war.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to what he and Steve Bannon

1226
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:12,959
Speaker 1: had to say.

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Speaker 8: The platform of Fox, though, it's just not Mars. But

1228
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 8: why is Fox like all weekend? It's just cheerly, it's

1229
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 8: the same. It's exactly you can play side by side

1230
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 8: Iraq in two thousand and three. Oh I was there

1231
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 8: and here and what's happening today? Why is it? Why

1232
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 8: is this apparatus? Well, Evince the funniest because he's terrible

1233
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 8: on TV. And again I never had any problems with

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01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 8: him at Fox. He kind of controls Hannity in this

1235
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 8: weird way. I never understood what that was about. I

1236
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:41,959
Speaker 8: never really cared to learn.

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01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 9: Sean was great to me, always nice, and so was Levin,

1238
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 9: so I just like kind of stayed away. But they

1239
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 9: didn't want to put him on TV because he's like

1240
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 9: screechy and he's just not a coming president. Like I'm look,

1241
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 9: su're literally floating in and out of consciousness and the

1242
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 9: attendant has taken the remote to go have a cigarette.

1243
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 9: You're gonna flip the channel when.

1244
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: Gets on TV.

1245
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 9: It's like listened to your ex wife scream about alimony payments.

1246
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 9: That's like not appealing.

1247
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: So they wouldn't put them on TV.

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01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 9: And then you know, Sean push and they gave him

1249
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 9: some kind of weekend show that nobody watched. Now I

1250
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 9: don't have a TV, but someone was just who owns

1251
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 9: the TV was just telling me that he's like all

1252
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 9: over prime Time.

1253
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: So what is that.

1254
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 9: That's not by popular acclaim, that's not like their viewer surveys, like,

1255
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Speaker 9: you know, we need a lot more Mark Levin, less

1256
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Speaker 9: Jesse Waters, more Mark Levin. What they're doing is what

1257
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 9: they always do, which is just turning up the propaganda

1258
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 9: hose to full blast and just trying to, you know,

1259
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 9: knock elderly Fox viewers off their feet and make them submit.

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Speaker 8: This is this is where they're.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, that's as good as it gets in

1262
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 1: terms of calling out Fox News at least. And I

1263
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: will tell you I because Secretary of Defense Pete Hagsath

1264
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: was appearing live on Fox yesterday. I unfortunately was watching

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01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: some just to make sure, you know, we weren't having

1266
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Speaker 1: an announcement of war. And by the way, Secretary of

1267
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: Defense was on for two minutes. Do you want to

1268
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: know the first question that they asked him about two minutes?

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Speaker 3: Well, I know the answer is here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was about the military preak. Yeah, they were like,

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Speaker 1: why don't you just tell us about how great that.

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Speaker 1: I was like, are you fucking kidding me? You're literally

1273
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 1: in the middle of a crisis in Jesse Waters is

1274
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: asking about the military parade.

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Speaker 3: Of course it was Jesse Waters.

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01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. I mean, it's like, you don't

1277
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: even pretend do you have any news organization? Okay, but whatever,

1278
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: let's put that to the side. Tucker is correct. I mean,

1279
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Speaker 1: just yesterday apparently Fox broadcast a report about secret Iranian

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Speaker 1: nuclear sites that have recently been found. I mean, it's

1281
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Speaker 1: out of three all over again. But this is also

1282
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: why there is a generational divide on the issue. In fact,

1283
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: there was some polling that came out yesterday which showed

1284
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: that people who primarily got their news from cable are

1285
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: dramatically more pro Israel. People who got their news and

1286
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Speaker 1: this includes right wingers. Actually, people who got their news

1287
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,919
Speaker 1: from the internet and or podcast or do a mix

1288
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: of both are dramatically less trustful of a lot of

1289
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: mainstream institutions. But look, here's the truth. These are the

1290
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: people who vote. These are the people who really have,

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Speaker 1: you know, the ear of some of the people involved.

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Speaker 1: And with Trump, it's obvious that he respects television more

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Speaker 1: than anything so before we play even more Tucker stuff,

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Speaker 1: it's actually important to say that even Tucker's mild criticism there,

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Speaker 1: did you guys hear what he said? He said, I

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Speaker 1: love Trump. I think he's a deeply humane person that

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Speaker 1: is as couched as it gets. I mean, can we

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Speaker 1: let's be honest here, right? Yeah, well, even that just

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Speaker 1: the temerity to say something about Trump not needing to

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Speaker 1: go to war with Iran. Here's what Trump had to

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Speaker 1: say in response. Guys, let's go ahead and play CE four.

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Speaker 7: They've been talking about this deal for six years, which

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Speaker 7: is and he's done what they haven't been able to do.

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Speaker 7: So he's done really a very good jet. I don't

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Speaker 7: know what Tucker Carlson is saying. Let him go get

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Speaker 7: a television network and say it so that people listen.

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Speaker 7: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Let go get a television network. I mean again, this

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Speaker 1: is preposterous for a number of reasons. One, Trump actually

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Speaker 1: eschewed television for the podcast. There was the whole narrative

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Speaker 1: about the podcast election, and he got millions and millions

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Speaker 1: of views online. The Tucker Carlson Show is probably far

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Speaker 1: bigger than it ever was on Fox News in terms

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Speaker 1: of the number of views I mean, it's always number one,

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Speaker 1: number two, two to five on the top podcast in

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Speaker 1: the entire United States, gets millions of views on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: It's just empirically, you know, true that you've had far more.

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Speaker 1: He's had far more reach. I don't know about influence,

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Speaker 1: but reach, yeah, on an independent sphere something. His White

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Speaker 1: House has an alternative media seat for So I don't

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Speaker 1: know what that's all about if he only cares about television.

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Speaker 1: But the point is is that in his head, foxes

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Speaker 1: all that matters. And what Tucker is calling out there

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Speaker 1: is Sean Hannity, Mark Levin and the entire Fox Primetime

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Speaker 1: is just geared up for World War War. And the

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Speaker 1: crazy thing is it's the same people General Jack Keane, right,

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Speaker 1: the same guy on TV and O three or sorry

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Speaker 1: in seven and potion for the Surge is now here

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Speaker 1: back on television, Pump in the war in with Iran,

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Speaker 1: he says, it's a critical a core national interest of

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Speaker 1: the United States are died in the wool neo cons

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Speaker 1: there's no getting around it whatsoever. And yet it's being

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Speaker 1: mainlined into the boomer mind at every level. And look,

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Speaker 1: this just is about Fox, because it's about the right wing.

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Speaker 1: This is every network. Yeah, I mean it's insanity out there,

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Speaker 1: it really is. CNN's got IDF spokespeople freaking Scott Jennings

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Speaker 1: from a bunker in Jerusalem telling Trump to finish the job.

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Speaker 1: News Nation is somehow even more unhinged with Cuomo and

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Speaker 1: Leland Viddter on the Iran question to watch.

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Speaker 2: Oh by the way, Scott Horton taken Leland for her

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Speaker 2: part if you want some enjoyable viewing, but I actually

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Speaker 2: need to watch MSNBC.

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Speaker 3: I'm curious.

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Speaker 1: I think the line that I've not yet seen a

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Speaker 1: single clip tells me what I need to know, which

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Speaker 1: is that there we don't just like the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 1: They've got nothing. And you know, this is actually a

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Speaker 1: big test for Chris Hayes. Some of us have been

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Speaker 1: around long enough. You know that Chris is origin stories

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Speaker 1: about the war in Iraq too. So Chris, where are

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Speaker 1: you man? Like You've got a primetime network, make yourself

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Speaker 1: the central you know, rally the base, do something we need.

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Speaker 1: We need Keith, you know for you know, it didn't

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Speaker 1: turn out so well for Keith, but at the time,

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Speaker 1: at the time, it was important, it was important.

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Speaker 3: Did you see this comment from Miss McConnell.

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Speaker 1: What was it?

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Speaker 2: He was asked Manu Rajuo asked him about Iran and Israel,

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Speaker 2: and he said, quote, what's happening here is some of

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Speaker 2: the isolation isolationist movement led by Tucker Carlson and Steve Bannon,

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Speaker 2: are distressed. We may be helping the Israelis defeat the Iranians.

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Speaker 2: I would say it's been kind of a bad week

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Speaker 2: for the isolationists. So, you know, Mitch McConnell here taking

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Speaker 2: a victory lap. Yes, but you know, ultimately, like you said,

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Speaker 2: Tucker has broad a reach, but perhaps less influence, and unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: I think that is the case. Unfortunately, cable news still

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Speaker 2: has some purchase on our society and in terms of

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Speaker 2: like elite conversations, and to your point, when you're talking

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Speaker 2: about foreign policy, the elite conversation really matters a lot. So,

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Speaker 2: you know, and the vast majority of MAGA core MAGA

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Speaker 2: voters he had independence who voted for Trump, who I

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Speaker 2: think will be disgusted with this decision and we'll say

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Speaker 2: this isn't what I voted for and will be unhappy

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Speaker 2: and move away from him. I think his approval rating

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Speaker 2: may go down as a result. If he gets as

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Speaker 2: directly involved in a run. But I think his approval

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Speaker 2: ratings the Republican Party will continue to be sky high.

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Speaker 2: They will continue to, you know, do whatever mental gymnastics

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Speaker 2: they need to do to say this is totally different

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Speaker 2: than a rock and this is totally in line with,

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Speaker 2: you know, with what I wanted and what I voted for.

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Speaker 2: And listen, in fairness, Trump on the campaign trail was

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Speaker 2: talking about how Israel should bomb Iran's nuclear facilities. So

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Speaker 2: the White House posted this long thread of all the

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Speaker 2: times that Trump said Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon,

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Speaker 2: and look he did. He said, now you know, he

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Speaker 2: also trotted out Tulci Gabbard, R F K Junior to

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Speaker 2: posture like they were going to be the pro peace

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Speaker 2: ticket and that they were going to be against the

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Speaker 2: warmongers and they were opposed all as shady, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: But he also said the thing that you know, some

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Speaker 2: of us picked up on and paired with his first

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Speaker 2: term record indicated that no, he's not going to be

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Speaker 2: some dove. He's not going to be committed to a

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Speaker 2: completely different foreign policy orientation. He's not going to be

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Speaker 2: committed to extricating us from this region. He was the

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Speaker 2: most pro Israel president we've probably ever had in his

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Speaker 2: first term.

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Speaker 3: So you know, that's that's what it is.

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Speaker 2: And the Magabase found a way to reconcile that at

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Speaker 2: the time, and they will continue to do so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look as you said, and I think it's very

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Speaker 1: obvious Maga and all of them will go along and

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Speaker 1: the line will probably be the Libya line. I still

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Speaker 1: believe to this day. I don't think Trump is dumb

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Speaker 1: enough initially to commit to some full blown regime change

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Speaker 1: operation which requires boots on the ground. I think it's

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Speaker 1: going to be a Libya style situation. And remember Obama

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Speaker 1: and Susan Rice were all saying, what about Libya. It

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Speaker 1: was a tremendous success. We committed, just a few American

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Speaker 1: jets shot them down, and then the Libyan people rose

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Speaker 1: up and they seized their destiny for themselves. And then

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Speaker 1: our ambassador was a literally dying and smoldering ruins. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Eight months later and Isis took over.

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Speaker 1: Bengazi turned into a slave market and a footpath and

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Speaker 1: a boat path to Europe for one of the world's

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Speaker 1: worst demographic crises in modern history. Oh, just you know,

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Speaker 1: only took a couple of years for that to work out,

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Speaker 1: So that will be the line, is that no Americans

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Speaker 1: died while doing it. And it's like, Okay, no Americans

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Speaker 1: died in the Syrian Civil War? Do we think it

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Speaker 1: was a disaster? I do? Uh, you know, because guess

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Speaker 1: what French people died in the Bata Khan when Isis

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Speaker 1: massacred all of them and it was planned in Syria. Actually,

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Speaker 1: a lot of Americans were killed fighting ISIS in twenty

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Speaker 1: seventeen in Iraq, which was bled over from Syria. Same

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Speaker 1: in Libya. Sure did a lot of Americans die as

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Speaker 1: a result of Libya. No, not directly, except for you know,

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Speaker 1: the people in Benghazi. But let's also think about all

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Speaker 1: of the weapons in the civil war and all of

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Speaker 1: the fallout from that in the region, the chaos that

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Speaker 1: it's wrought on Europe. Just because you know, the bar

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Speaker 1: cannot be one person die an American dies or not.

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Speaker 1: That's not the issue that is at hand here. The

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Speaker 1: issue is destabilize the regime. Does it cost us the

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Speaker 1: cost the United States more blood, more treasure, more attention

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Speaker 1: being paid to this region. And that's really what he

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Speaker 1: has committed himself. To within this and it's going to

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Speaker 1: be a disaster. To this point, here you have Tucker

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Speaker 1: and Steve Bannon going off on this. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 9: I actually really love Trump. He's a deeply humane, kind person.

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Speaker 9: And I am saying this because I'm really afraid that

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Speaker 9: my country is going to be further weakened by this.

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Speaker 9: I think we're going to see the end of American empire.

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Speaker 9: Obviously other nations would like to see that, and this

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Speaker 9: is a perfect way to scuttle the USS America, the

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Speaker 9: shoals of Iran. But it's also going to end I

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Speaker 9: believe Trump's presidency and effectively end it. And and so

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Speaker 9: that's why I'm saying, what do.

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Speaker 4: You mean by that?

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Speaker 8: That's that's coming for you that you get.

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Speaker 9: Look, I knew Bush. I knew George W. Bush with

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Speaker 9: you know, family connections to Bush. I knew Bush personally.

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Speaker 9: I still see Bush sometimes and you know, of course

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Speaker 9: he hates me, and he does because I criticized him

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Speaker 9: on a rock and that war is the sum total

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Speaker 9: from historical perspective of his administration. But I knew him,

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Speaker 9: and he had all kinds of plans for the things

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Speaker 9: that he wanted to do, but one domestically, domestically to

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Speaker 9: improve the country. And you may agree or disagree, but

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Speaker 9: like in his mind, he wasn't just about the invasion

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Speaker 9: of Iraq in March.

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Speaker 8: Of Oh No, No, he was going to redo social security typody.

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Speaker 8: He was going to take care of the entitlements issue.

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Speaker 1: And he really thought it was going to work.

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Speaker 9: And you could laugh at that or whatever, but the

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Speaker 9: point is, the second you get himmeshed in a real war,

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Speaker 9: not a fake, let's go bomb the villagers and declare success.

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Speaker 9: Though we don't even have a good track record, like Whyle,

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Speaker 9: the Hoothy's still there. I mean this a whole other question,

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Speaker 9: which is how prepared is the US military for real conflict?

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Speaker 9: And the answer is totally unprepared, scary unprepared. I don't

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Speaker 9: think people understand that.

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Speaker 1: End of the American empire. I mean, we had talked

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Speaker 1: about this with Dave yesterday, but I think it bears,

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Speaker 1: you know, reiterating is Look, there's a reason like this

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Speaker 1: is it When you get in messin of war, it

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Speaker 1: will kill your entire presidency. It becomes this singular issue.

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Speaker 1: Everything else it gets dragged down. I said yesterday, the

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Speaker 1: evangelicals a lot of them believe that Bush Iraq is

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Speaker 1: what killed their entire movement. I mean, like I said,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's one hundred percent true, but there's

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Speaker 1: probably some truth to it if you believed in social

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Speaker 1: security reform. I don't, but they believe it. That's what

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Speaker 1: killed it. It was Iraq. It was Iraq, and it

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Speaker 1: was a Hurricane Katrina. Those two things nuked the entire

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Speaker 1: Bush project. They became in messing at the entire White House,

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Speaker 1: became in Iraq project. They never did a single piece

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Speaker 1: of major mestic legislation ever. Again, that will similarly happen here,

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Speaker 1: except Trump is somehow beating Bush on the timeline. It's

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Speaker 1: only been six months into his presidency. This will define

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Speaker 1: for the next three and a half years if things

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Speaker 1: go poorly. I mean, they're really just banking on the

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Speaker 1: ability to land the plane. But there's just no evidence

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Speaker 1: of that, you know, And what he points out is

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Speaker 1: a bigger question as well. Even if Americans don't get

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Speaker 1: deployed to hundreds of thousands or any of that, the

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Speaker 1: spotlight in the attention that we'll have to have on

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Speaker 1: the country of Iran as a result of this operation

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Speaker 1: is years decades to come. Think about Iran is not

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01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 1: only a country of ninety million. Let's say the regime

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01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 1: collapses and it goes Libya, civil war, Iraq. You'll have Katar, Saudi, Turkey,

1503
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 1: all these other people. They are all going to pick

1504
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 1: sides Israel, everyone's going to pick there. They're all going

1505
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 1: to fight each other. There will be mass death. You

1506
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:51,759
Speaker 1: have a direct footpath. They can walk to Europe literally

1507
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 1: by foot if they wanted to. So you're going to

1508
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: have a mass demographic crisis in Europe. And then on

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01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 1: top of that, all of these different subregional issues surrounding it,

1510
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 1: like Syria and the Iraqi government, they themselves be destabilized

1511
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:06,600
Speaker 1: because Iran was so in mesh in their politics. And

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01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 1: so then what happens if we have a civil war

1513
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 1: there and then they bleed into each other and all

1514
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 1: of this is when that's exactly when the John mccains

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01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 1: and Lindsay Graham's of the world say, we got to

1516
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 1: go in and we got to pick a side, just

1517
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 1: like we did with Syria, just like we did with Libya,

1518
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: and guess what, we're not very good at it. And

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01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:23,639
Speaker 1: all the while it requires more US munitions, more carrier

1520
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 1: strike groups, more Israeli defense, and what's going on in

1521
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: East Asia? Fifty percent of global GDP laughing at the

1522
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 1: United States of America. I mean, already we've probably depleted

1523
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 1: an entire year's worth of FAD interceptors in five days.

1524
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 1: Five days. I mean, it would require the World War

1525
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:44,719
Speaker 1: II level mobilization of the US economy to come back

1526
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: and to actually produce the level of munitions just to

1527
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 1: be able to support an offensive in an ongoing war

1528
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 1: against Iran. Forget about some of the theater. It's not

1529
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 1: going to happen. This is not two thousand and three

1530
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 1: in the unipolar moment. And you know, I didn't even

1531
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 1: talk about all of the underlying social decay and problems

1532
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 1: that we have here at home. So I think he's

1533
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 1: exactly right. I mean, I don't know if it would

1534
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:07,719
Speaker 1: be the end of the American Empire, but it would

1535
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:08,719
Speaker 1: be a step in them.

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01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 3: Anyway.

1537
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, think of all the costs that

1538
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:15,599
Speaker 2: just the Hoothies and Yemen were able to exactly exactly

1539
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 2: against us, like with the you know, when they're relatively

1540
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 2: like minor operation which wasn't even really directed at us.

1541
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 2: And then think about you know, the cost out a

1542
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 2: country like Iran could exact. You know, I personally would

1543
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 2: like this administration to fail, but not at the cost

1544
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 2: of going to war in Iran. That is, you know,

1545
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 2: not a cost that it should be or is acceptable.

1546
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 3: In any way. And I think your point about the.

1547
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 2: Escalation of our the acceleration of our decline is incredibly apt.

1548
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 2: Let's go and play this last sad that we have

1549
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:49,799
Speaker 2: from Tucker and Steve Bannon. This is c three guys

1550
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 2: where you can see how careful they are about avoiding

1551
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 2: any direct criticism of Trump. And I think this is

1552
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 2: a preview of the justifications to come that you already see.

1553
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 2: You know, I saw Charles Kirk last night on Fox News. Oh,

1554
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:04,719
Speaker 2: I trust Trump, and we have to trust in Trump.

1555
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 2: And he was made for this moment, and thank god

1556
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,599
Speaker 2: we elected him to be here during this point in time.

1557
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 2: Like the rationalization that we've seen in the past from

1558
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 2: many of these figures is anything Trump does that they

1559
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,400
Speaker 2: don't like, it's never his fault. It's like the people

1560
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 2: around him, or he got tricked, he got pulled into something.

1561
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 2: The deep stay blah blah blah. And so Tucker and

1562
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:29,560
Speaker 2: Bannon in an effort to maintain apparently failed effort to

1563
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:33,679
Speaker 2: maintain some sort of credibility and influence within the Trump

1564
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 2: administration also cocked this, you know, elaborate imaginary scheme in

1565
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 2: which Trump is really dedicated to peace, and it's just

1566
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:44,600
Speaker 2: all of these unseen forces around him that are effectuating

1567
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 2: the outcome that we all see.

1568
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:46,439
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to that.

1569
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,600
Speaker 9: And the incentives to pull the US in are so profound.

1570
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 9: I guess if I could just say one political thing,

1571
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 9: the watching Donald Trump, who, of course you know very

1572
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 9: well who I think at core is sincere about peace time. Yeah,

1573
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:05,879
Speaker 9: big time, big time. I mean that's that's real, watching

1574
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 9: him done so wrong. The lies, Oh he knew all along.

1575
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 9: You know that the peace process was faked. Steve Wikoff

1576
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 9: was playing a long That is a lie. That's a lot,

1577
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 9: I know, that's a lot. Those guys meant it.

1578
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: It's a total lie.

1579
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 9: And all these people that that Mark Levin and all

1580
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 9: of the minions who are running cover for a foreign government,

1581
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 9: they're all telling that same why And I just I

1582
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 9: feel for President Trump and I think I don't know this,

1583
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 9: I'm just guessing, but at this point I feel like

1584
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 9: he just has to kind of roll with it. You know,

1585
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 9: what do you say you can't you want to get

1586
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 9: an argument about that right in the middle of a war.

1587
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 8: I think he reiterated last night that we got to

1588
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 8: get back to the peace part.

1589
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 4: The guy laid down.

1590
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 1: They're lying about him.

1591
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 9: He's sincerely even now, he sincerely believes. Whether he's writer

1592
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 9: or not, I can't say, but that this could be

1593
01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 9: a predicate to a peace deal. What we're seeing now,

1594
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 9: he really thinks that and wants that.

1595
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 2: So he's holding onto the idea this was all This

1596
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 2: is all an effort to get to a piece deal.

1597
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 1: I mean there's a duality of Trump. I think both

1598
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 1: of those things can be true. I think when Trump

1599
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,759
Speaker 1: is on the phone with Tucker and them, he probably

1600
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 1: is saying things like that, He's probably got hours of

1601
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:19,680
Speaker 1: conversation with a lot of people. Actually, I know this

1602
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:21,679
Speaker 1: literally to be the case, talking about how he wants

1603
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 1: a deal with Iron. He's also a deeply impressionable boomer

1604
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 1: who watches a lot of Fox News, and when he

1605
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: has dinner with Mark Levin is like, yeah, maybe it

1606
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 1: is a good idea to go at. And this is

1607
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 1: the problem with somebody who doesn't think that deeply about

1608
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 1: any of this. I mean, it also shows you really

1609
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 1: the downside of somebody who basically could promise all things

1610
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:42,720
Speaker 1: to all people. But part of the clarifying part of

1611
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 1: the presidency is that you do actually make a decision,

1612
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 1: and when you make that decision, you actually come into power.

1613
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 1: You find out who what heal, somebody really thinks, or

1614
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 1: who has really been swayed or not. Part of the

1615
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 1: reason they have to frame this stuff is this happened

1616
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 1: yesterday with Dave. I love Dave, and Dave doesn't care

1617
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 1: about this, But Dave actually was kind of a real

1618
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:03,720
Speaker 1: figure in Maga write I would say in terms of

1619
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 1: his audience. People look to him for guidance and just

1620
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 1: you know his position.

1621
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:12,679
Speaker 2: He had real antiope to solidify libertarians voting for Trump.

1622
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was really important. And so when he

1623
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 1: was on our show and he was like, impeached Trump

1624
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 1: and I'm done with Trump, I was like, oh man,

1625
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 1: because what I know is that for them Trump is

1626
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 1: the ultimate question. Trump can never fail, He can only

1627
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 1: be failed. Now that's a very convenient narrative for Donald J. Trump.

1628
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:30,640
Speaker 1: It's obviously bullshit. And those of us who talk like

1629
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 1: Dave or who say these things like that's bs or

1630
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 1: you actually have agency, you get shut out real quickly.

1631
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 1: Like I just am being honest in terms of the

1632
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 1: way that this all works for political influence. And that's

1633
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: part of why Bannon and Tucker, like they both are

1634
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 1: doing shows and they're trying to give their opinion, but

1635
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:49,839
Speaker 1: they're political actors as well, trying to push in actual agenda.

1636
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,240
Speaker 1: And what you're all watching is how that works in

1637
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 1: practice and also how difficult and honestly humiliate it can be.

1638
01:20:56,920 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 1: I mean, especially Bannon's case, because Bannon, you know, constantly

1639
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 1: like he's he'll hit them on elon, he'll hit them

1640
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 1: on this and all, and then Trump will just be

1641
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 1: like I don't agree with that at all, and he'll

1642
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 1: elevate them and Bannon's like, I'm speaking for the magabase

1643
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, are you really. He's like, that's

1644
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: why that whole mantle of I'm speaking for the MAGA

1645
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 1: base or any of that. I think everyone needs to

1646
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 1: drop it and we should just argue on the merits.

1647
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:21,679
Speaker 1: Let's just argue on the actual thing and say, look,

1648
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 1: this isn't this we can talk about politics. I mean,

1649
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 1: you want me to give the real anti political case

1650
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 1: for Trump. I said it earlier in the show Bush.

1651
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 1: The reason he survived is because he got the whole

1652
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:33,720
Speaker 1: country to agree with men and co opt to the

1653
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 1: Democratic Party. If you do this, if Donald Trump does this,

1654
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:39,640
Speaker 1: he will own the decision entirely. No Democrats going to

1655
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 1: vote for this war. They're not stupid enough, you know,

1656
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 1: to a lot of Republicans won't even necessarily vote because

1657
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 1: it won't come up for that, and he and his

1658
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 1: national security team will own it for all time. There's

1659
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:52,679
Speaker 1: none of that protection for them political establishment or the media,

1660
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:54,600
Speaker 1: even in the media, to be honest, because they're not

1661
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 1: as complicit in this one. Like you can't spread the

1662
01:21:57,160 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 1: blame around you were going to own it one hundred percent.

1663
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:03,600
Speaker 1: That's about as a political reason as ever not to

1664
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 1: do the course that you're currently taking.

1665
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:05,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1666
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 2: Well, and Tucker is a much more I mean no

1667
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 2: disrespect for Todave who I think you're right as an

1668
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 2: influential figure on the right ones important pulling together you know,

1669
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 2: the Trump winning Trump coalition, bringing Libertarians into the ten

1670
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 2: et cetera. But Tucker is a much larger and more

1671
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 2: influential figure. And even with him being so careful. Trump

1672
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:28,680
Speaker 2: still hit him, hit him multiple times and just completely

1673
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 2: you know, brushes him aside. Kookie Tucker Carlson thinks that

1674
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:34,599
Speaker 2: it's fine for Ron to have nuclear weapon, you know,

1675
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 2: and so and it are politics. This is the worst

1676
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:41,560
Speaker 2: thing about the Trump era. It's all about Trump. He

1677
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:44,559
Speaker 2: is the central dividing line. If you are you know

1678
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 2: how you feel about him and his every single decision

1679
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 2: and your willingness to go along with it no matter

1680
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:54,560
Speaker 2: what it is, that defines where you are in the

1681
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 2: political spectrum. I mean, it's easy to forget now. Liz

1682
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 2: Cheney was a big Trump supporter. Liz Cheney campaigned with Trump,

1683
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:04,679
Speaker 2: okay in twenty twenty. She was on the Trump train,

1684
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 2: and then the minute it has nothing to do with

1685
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 2: her being in ne O'Connor whatever. I know, that's what

1686
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 2: they claim. It had nothing to do with that. She

1687
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:13,680
Speaker 2: criticized Trump after January sixth, that was it. That was

1688
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 2: what killed her. And same thing with all this, you know,

1689
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 2: antipathy towards Mitch McConnell, who now is apparently like you know,

1690
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 2: riding high because he's getting his way in terms of

1691
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 2: foreign policy, has nothing to do with him being corrupt

1692
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 2: or in ne O'Connor any of the rest. It had

1693
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,559
Speaker 2: everything to do with again, he was critical of Donald Trump,

1694
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 2: and you can't do that, and they will, you know,

1695
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 2: trash you and destroy you, and the base will go

1696
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:36,640
Speaker 2: along with whatever you say about who is on the

1697
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 2: good side and who is on the bad side. So

1698
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:43,600
Speaker 2: you know, that's that's the landscape as it exists now.