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Speaker 1: On today's episode, we are live for Mobile out of Alabama.

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Speaker 1: You can hear the noise of practice in the background.

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Speaker 2: Man works. How do we review every position?

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Speaker 1: And we're giving you the guys we thought had the

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Speaker 1: best weeks that all starts right now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in to Ticket to the Draft Forresented by Sea Geek.

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Speaker 1: I'm Logan, Paulson, here Din and Mobile and we're actually

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Speaker 1: doing this show live from the state of a Day,

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Speaker 1: which is a lot a lot of fun, and I'm

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Speaker 1: here with producer Jason Jack.

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Speaker 2: Jason. Jason wants ahead of the guys.

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Speaker 3: Hey, what's up?

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Speaker 2: Hey, what's up?

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Speaker 3: Cold and hot simultaneously.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they've done a great job of kind of providing

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Speaker 1: very unusual weather. So we're going to kind of bang

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Speaker 1: this podcast out today. This is going to be kind

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Speaker 1: of a review, high level and just a reminder because

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Speaker 1: we've tried to every single day bring you guys that

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Speaker 1: are kind of fringe, guys that are improving. But I

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Speaker 1: also just want to remind you of this podcast. These

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Speaker 1: are the guys that've been showing out at a high

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Speaker 1: level all week that maybe we haven't talked about or

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Speaker 1: given their due as much.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely so, this is going to be a little more

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Speaker 4: of an abridged podcast. It's the previous two we did.

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Speaker 4: Go listen to those two if you haven't already. They're

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Speaker 4: very in depth. And then we're going to do one

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Speaker 4: more after the super Bowl coming out next week. That'll

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Speaker 4: recap everything and we're gonna really.

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Speaker 3: Get into the weeds with that. But this one's a

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Speaker 4: There's a lot going on in Commander's Nation, so we're

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Speaker 4: gonna keep this pretty brief here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so just a quick housekeeping note. Guys that didn't

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Speaker 1: practice day Rashid Ali, the running back from Marshall, Pierre

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Speaker 1: Saw Ricky Piersaw didn't practice today. Bob Brady Jackson from

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Speaker 1: Washington State at the defensive end Jackson Powers Johnson didn't

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Speaker 1: practice day. Left practice today with an injury. Injury. Roman

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Speaker 1: Jacob Cowing left practice today with an injury, and Johnny

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Speaker 1: kind of the guys that are either they've performed well

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Speaker 1: Latu Latu also left had two good days of practice,

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Speaker 1: can talk about them and how they're running and how

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Speaker 1: they're jumping and how they look out there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we talked about a lot of these guys in

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Speaker 4: the previous few pods. Not surprising, right, put good stuff

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Speaker 4: on tape. Yeah, your draft stocks up, don't chance it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't.

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Speaker 1: And again, you know, for example, Jacob Cowing gets hurt today.

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Speaker 1: I thought he's had a really good week. Maybe it

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Speaker 1: would have been good for him to just beay, hey man,

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Speaker 1: So again, like I said, we're gonna kind of talk

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Speaker 1: about high performers at each position from both practices that

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Speaker 1: that we'll start with running back because said okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Where's he from? Let's look that up real quickly. I

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Speaker 2: know you like him a lot.

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Speaker 4: So when you sent me his film before we came here,

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Speaker 4: A big fan of him. Runs very violent, Yes, a

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Speaker 2: This from Kentucky. He's he's undersized is kind of a

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Speaker 3: Right, and yeah, he's like a bowling Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And he's got great feet.

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Speaker 1: He he reminds me a little bit with that forward

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Speaker 3: Do you think he fits in with the Commander's running

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Speaker 1: I do kind of think so, because I think one

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Speaker 1: There one hundred percent, and I think when you look

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Speaker 2: He can run that outcut.

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Speaker 1: So that, in conjunction with his physical running s out

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think, like what, you know, when this

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Speaker 4: I find that very interesting that it is possible, not

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Speaker 4: saying it's necessarily probable, but that the Commanders could have

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Speaker 4: three running backs that are contributing, all contributing the whole

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Speaker 1: And I think that speaks to kind of why the

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Speaker 1: these really really talented football players, like they're I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not overhyping these guys.

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Speaker 2: They're they're good football players. They did a good job

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Speaker 1: And there's there's in addition to these guys, there's other

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of very talented guys for this

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Speaker 1: Receiver So I figured we talked about Devontes Walker because

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Speaker 3: The twenty one miles per hour.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's around there every day, which is just giving

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Speaker 2: And so you see him just run by guys.

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Speaker 1: And the problem with him is that he has not

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Speaker 1: consistently caught the football. It's been I'd say fifty to

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Speaker 1: kind of what it feels like when the ball's in

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Speaker 1: the air and you're throwing to him, it's kind of like,

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Speaker 1: is he going to catch the ball?

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Speaker 1: And I think that's the thing when you're a receiver,

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Speaker 1: showed me way more juice than I was expecting watching

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Speaker 1: he's a guy that I think is is be interesting

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Speaker 1: coming into this process, but I am starting to see

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Speaker 1: why people are excited about him is.

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Speaker 2: Patrick Paul, brother of Chris Paul from Houston.

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Speaker 1: He is so big, he's so he's athletic, first size Jason.

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Speaker 2: He's technically so raw.

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Speaker 1: But if you get him with the right old line coach,

443
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Speaker 1: that could be something special.

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Speaker 4: Coaches love that, don't Oh my gosh. They love the

445
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Speaker 4: high and they're always I can make that guy.

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Speaker 1: So outside of Tyler Guidon, he's the guy that has

447
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Speaker 1: just a tremendously high ceiling, and I think people are

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Speaker 1: really excited about So I've kind of you're here, You're

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Speaker 1: in the environment. People are talking about him. I'm kind

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Speaker 1: of getting getting brought into that a little bit. And

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Speaker 1: even even though I'm like, man, his techniques a little rough,

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Speaker 1: You're just like, ah, man, if he gets with the

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Speaker 1: right dude, that's gonna be something very very special.

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Speaker 2: And then I don't know.

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Speaker 1: For another guy that just has stuck out to me

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Speaker 1: over the course of the week, and a guy that

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Speaker 1: isn't necessarily the right fit for the Commanders is Trevandre

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Speaker 1: Sweat from Texas, the big nose guard. I didn't my

459
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Speaker 1: expectations for him were very middling coming in.

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Speaker 2: Because he's so big, so big.

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Speaker 1: Because like sometimes you see these big guys and they

462
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Speaker 1: don't have a good burst, they don't have good good

463
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Speaker 1: desire to finish, they don't and they don't.

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Speaker 2: Play to their size.

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Speaker 1: He plays with an excellent hand technique. He plays with

466
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Speaker 1: such power. His explosiveness at least for that first couple

467
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Speaker 1: of steps is excellent. And he would from a guy

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Speaker 1: that I was like, Man, I don't understand what the

469
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Speaker 1: buzz is to being like he's going to be a

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Speaker 1: bottom of the first round selection and even though he's

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Speaker 1: only going to play fifty percent of your snaps on defense,

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Speaker 1: he is an excellent football player that's going to elevate.

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Speaker 1: Like they did a double team drill yesterday, everyone's getting

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Speaker 1: thrown out of the club and he's just like and

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Speaker 1: it wasn't like he's It's not like he's playing the

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Speaker 1: double team with bad technique. His technique is excellent, his

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Speaker 1: body position is excellent, and then his ability to just

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Speaker 1: bull rush centers. I just think about they're different players, obviously,

479
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Speaker 1: but the impact that Dexter Lawrence has up in New York,

480
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Speaker 1: how they can use a guy with that those athletic traits,

481
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Speaker 1: with that burst for a big man over the center

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Speaker 1: who's usually your worst offensive lineman. It gets me pretty

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Speaker 1: excited that he's gonna if he goes to the right system,

484
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Speaker 1: obviously he can do a lot of damage.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just a guy. I'm just a guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just a guy.

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Speaker 4: So it's just what I see him. But I was

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Speaker 4: excited to see him coming in. I personally love that

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Speaker 4: he didn't weigh here. He did all the other measurables,

490
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Speaker 4: but he's like, nah, you guys don't need to know,

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Speaker 4: leave it to the imagination, right, But he is bending

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Speaker 4: guys backwards, like there are people waking up some offensive

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Speaker 4: lignment with some back pain today just having to deal

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Speaker 4: with his bull rush. He is absolutely disruptive. The only

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Speaker 4: thing about him that I noticed is like after two

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Speaker 4: and a half seconds out of guess, yeah, the tank's

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Speaker 4: a little empty. But that's okay because he's so disruptive,

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Speaker 4: right and if you can be disruptive up the middle

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Speaker 4: for two seconds, yeah, that put push him right into

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Speaker 4: your your edge guys, right, So like he's going to

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Speaker 4: help a team for sure.

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Speaker 1: And again like maybe he gets a little bit of

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Speaker 1: better shape. But he impressed me because not only is it

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Speaker 1: the power, but it's the hand usage, the ability to

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Speaker 1: attack the outside pad push pool guys. So he's a

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Speaker 1: guy that I think circle him right, and again you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe Watchington makes a transition here to a different

508
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Speaker 1: style of defense and he's and we need a true

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Speaker 1: nose like circle that guy. I'm going to watch him

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Speaker 1: through the process. I'm curious see what he ways in it. Really,

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Speaker 1: That's why I've circled him.

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Speaker 4: So now we're talking quarterbacks, right, Yeah, the premium position

513
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Speaker 4: we know where at two? Yeah, probably taking a quarterback there.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, what like there are a lot of quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: Here, yep, how they look to you?

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Speaker 3: Who stands out?

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Speaker 1: So I mean obviously the two guys Bone Knicks and

518
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Speaker 1: Michael Pennick Junior just the efficiency which which they throw

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Speaker 1: the ball, the accuracy which they throw the ball, how

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Speaker 1: they move. You know, I'm not gonna say, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: say bon Nicks. The way he moves in the pockets

522
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Speaker 1: subtly was very impressive. The accuracy which he throws. Obviously

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Speaker 1: he's missing misses some throws, but it's just it's the

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Speaker 1: consistency's there, right, his understanding of like ball placement. Michael

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Speaker 1: Pennix can absolutely spin the football. You know, he's got

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Speaker 1: that big hand, He's got that thirty three in charm,

527
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Speaker 1: like that thing comes out of there like a javelin.

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Speaker 1: And I was surprised by his accuracy. That was something

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Speaker 1: I was a little bit concerned about. He had a

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Speaker 1: great rep in the red zone to day where he

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Speaker 1: rolls to his left, he's you know, he's right handed,

532
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Speaker 1: corks himself around, gets that ball in the back end

533
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Speaker 1: to devontees Walker for a touchdown. Great rep. You know,

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Speaker 1: just a just a fantastic rep. So those two guys

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Speaker 1: obviously have stood out. I don't know if I'm ready

536
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Speaker 1: to say that Michael Pennick's gonna be a first round pick,

537
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Speaker 1: but he's definitely a first round talent and bon Nix

538
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Speaker 1: is also I think every single time he throws the

539
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Speaker 1: football just making himself money and slowly creeping up into

540
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Speaker 1: like does La want to draft the air apparent to

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Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford, Does Denver need.

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Speaker 3: A guy like Orleans?

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Speaker 2: Maybe?

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Speaker 1: And those are in that kind of middle of the

545
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Speaker 1: middle of the first round rage I think fourteen fifteen

546
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Speaker 1: sixteen right there is not out of the question for him.

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Speaker 1: But done a great job. Then we'll go to the

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Speaker 1: second group of guys. And the other quarterback in that

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Speaker 1: first group is Sam Hartman, who I think has done

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Speaker 1: a fine job, but I think you see he's don

551
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Speaker 1: a fine job from a processing standpoint, I think he's

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Speaker 1: got some talent.

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Speaker 2: But you see the difference.

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Speaker 1: It's like, Wow, these guys are like really good and

555
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Speaker 1: this guy's pretty good, and you see what really good

556
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Speaker 1: looks like and why it's important for NFL teams to

557
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Speaker 1: value that really good, really high athletic physical tools upside

558
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Speaker 1: with guys that have played a lot of football and

559
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Speaker 1: guys that obviously have digested this offense at a high level,

560
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Speaker 1: so a lot of credit to them. The second group

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Speaker 1: is a little bit more frustrating to talk about Spencer rattler.

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Speaker 1: I thought had a better day yesterday. He's having a

563
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Speaker 1: better day right now. But there's an inconsistency to his

564
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Speaker 1: play that just makes me incredibly nervous.

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Speaker 4: It's you got something, yeah, So I just want to

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Speaker 4: get your thoughts on this.

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Speaker 3: It seems like even in seven on seven's my dude scrambling.

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Speaker 1: And that's not a great what are we doing? It's

569
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Speaker 1: not a great sign usually to do that again, you

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Speaker 1: wonder how well he sees it. Obviously he's very physically talented.

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Speaker 1: He can throw the ball a thousand miles an hour,

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Speaker 1: he can touch any part of the field, but there's

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Speaker 1: a kind of a frenetic energy to him and an

574
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Speaker 1: inconsistency to his accuracy that just makes you go, I

575
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Speaker 1: don't obviously the arm talent is there, but the other

576
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Speaker 1: stuff makes you really nervous. And couple that with kind

577
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Speaker 1: of your perception to him. I don't think he's done

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Speaker 1: anything here to dissuade that. But physically got it, it's

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Speaker 1: just the accuracy, the consistency, and then like the composure

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Speaker 1: in the pocket i'd say is not always there.

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Speaker 2: So you know, I.

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Speaker 1: Definitely think at developmental guy with some with some traits,

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Speaker 1: but a guy that I'm not you know, I'm not

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Speaker 1: super high on at the moment.

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Speaker 4: He reminds me of the guy on your flag football

586
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Speaker 4: team who's incredibly talented. Yes, but like there's something about

587
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Speaker 4: him where you're like, dude, just sitting like you're you're

588
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Speaker 4: more ethnic than everybody here, but like let us play.

589
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Speaker 4: Yeah right, that kind of thing, and maybe that's not fair.

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Speaker 2: I'm just a guy, Yeah, just a guy.

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Speaker 3: But he's a He's a good football player, he definitely is.

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Speaker 2: He's talented.

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Speaker 4: There's you can tell the difference between him the Panix

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Speaker 4: and the Bonnicks. Last guy I want you to bring

595
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Speaker 4: up real quick with quarterback is Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: Joe Bilon Milton.

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Speaker 3: Yeah and just a laser.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So think about Joe Milton is like I saw him

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Speaker 1: down on the field. Afterwards we have to walk around

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Speaker 1: and talk to the guys and he is he is

602
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Speaker 1: an Adonis man. He's he's six ' five, he's I

603
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Speaker 1: think he's two thirty five.

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Speaker 2: He's big.

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Speaker 1: He throws the ball off like the strongest arm I've

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Speaker 1: ever evaluated. Like that, I'm not being hyperb he can

607
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Speaker 1: throw the football. It's again the accuracy with him, and

608
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Speaker 1: the consistency of being on time is not quite there.

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Speaker 2: However, if you're a.

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Speaker 1: Team like you know, Indianapolis right with Anthony Richardson, is

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Speaker 1: he a good backup candidate? Right? Or Lamar Jackson a

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Speaker 1: guy where you've kind of built a running ecosystem around

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Speaker 1: the quarterback. Could he come in and do some damage

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Speaker 1: for you? I think so right. I think if you're Philly,

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Speaker 1: he looks like a he looks like a more physically

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Speaker 1: developed Jalen hurts like he's huge, but he doesn't have

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Speaker 1: the consistency from the pocket that I think you need

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Speaker 1: to be successful at the NFL. But if you're in

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Speaker 1: one of those systems and you can let him develop

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Speaker 1: for a couple of years, maybe you got something special there.

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Speaker 1: But piece you can trade down the roads because everything's there.

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Speaker 1: It's just I get really leery of guys like this,

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Speaker 1: where everything talent wise is there. For you got another

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Speaker 1: reception coach linebacker from calum made the interception there.

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Speaker 2: A good job for him.

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Speaker 1: But when you see those abilities, they lied to you,

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Speaker 1: and it's lied to Michigan, it's led to Tennessee a

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Speaker 1: little bit.

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Speaker 2: Is it going to lie to the NFL? Also?

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Speaker 1: Probably because it's too hard to pass up and I

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Speaker 1: would probably draft them too.

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Speaker 3: But the Combine is going to be insane.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's gonna have really good I think

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Speaker 1: he'll probably run a high four six, four seven. He'll

635
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Speaker 1: throw the ball like when they do that deep ball

636
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Speaker 1: thing where we watched that last year. It's going to

637
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Speaker 1: like they're going to need to make the stadium longer

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Speaker 1: for him because he's gonna throw it very very far.

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Speaker 3: Well, Logan, we'll be at the Combine.

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Speaker 2: We will be, so we'll see him there.

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Speaker 3: We'll do that next week.

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Speaker 4: We will go through fan questions, fan comments, get you

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Speaker 4: guys involved, to ask Logan what you think happened here

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Speaker 4: at the Senior Bowl. Your analysis. Let Logan bounce off

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Speaker 4: of that. Maybe we missed the guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe you.

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Speaker 4: Want us to talk a little bit more about a guy.

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Speaker 4: Maybe we're too high on guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let us know.

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Speaker 1: Let us know, because I'll go back and I'll rewatch

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Speaker 1: this stuff. Because when you're out here, Jason can attest

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Speaker 1: to this, having been here for his first Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot going on. There's a lot you miss.

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Speaker 3: It's hard to see all at once.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and even though we're watching the film afterwards to

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Speaker 1: to kind of flush out our evaluations, a lot of

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Speaker 1: that stuff's online. Those guys are amateur photographers. It's it's

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Speaker 1: not great. So we're doing we're doing the best of

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Speaker 1: what we got. But if you saw something we didn't see,

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Speaker 1: please let us know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, thanks for speaking with us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you guys,