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Speaker 3: dot com. Same time, we have had a slate of

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Speaker 3: hearings that happened yesterday, confirmation hearings for incoming officials in

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Speaker 3: the Trump administration. The most high profile person yesterday was

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Speaker 3: Senator Marco Rubio, up for Secretary of State. Had a

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Speaker 3: couple of interesting remarks. The most important for our purposes

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Speaker 3: is really going to be about future policy visa the Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 4: Let me first stackle the President's words and what he

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Speaker 4: said in an interview about a year ago. He was

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Speaker 4: asked about the war in Ukraine, he says, I want

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Speaker 4: to die to stop. I want people to stop dying.

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Speaker 4: I want the killing to stop. And frankly, I don't

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Speaker 4: know how anyone could say they don't. The destruction that

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Speaker 4: Ukraine is undergoing is extraordinary. It's going to take a

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Speaker 4: generation to rebuild it. Millions of Ukrainians no longer live

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Speaker 4: in Ukraine, and the disruption that means so many of

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Speaker 4: them are going to come back, and what are they

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Speaker 4: going to come back to. Even as I speak to

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Speaker 4: you now, the Ukrainian infrastructure and their energy infrastructure is

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Speaker 4: being decimated in ways that are going to cost hundreds

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Speaker 4: So this is an important conflicent. I think it should

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Speaker 4: be the official position of the United States that this

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Speaker 4: war should be brought to an end. And I think

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Speaker 4: it should be the official policy of the United States

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Speaker 4: that we want to see at end. Now what that

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Speaker 4: master plan looks like, it's going to be hard work.

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Speaker 4: This is not going to be an easy endeavor by

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Speaker 4: this but it's going to require bold diplomacy. And my

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Speaker 4: hope is that it could begin with some ceasefire and

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Speaker 4: we're going to have there are in order to achieve

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Speaker 4: objectives like the one that needs to occur in Ukrainian

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Speaker 4: it is important for everyone to be realistic. There will

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Speaker 4: have to be concessions made by the Russian Federation, but

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Speaker 4: It's also important that there'll be some balance on both sides.

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Speaker 4: In essence, it will be difficult to achieve the subjective

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Speaker 3: A couple of very interesting things that happened there. Number

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Speaker 3: one is saying that, echoing Donald Trump's phrase, we need

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Speaker 3: entire hearing. The most important part was he says it's

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Speaker 3: unrealistic to believe that Ukraine can ever push Russia back

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Speaker 1: Sanctions. Turns out they don't actually work that well. Shocker.

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Speaker 3: But I was very interested to say, I mean, this

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Speaker 1: He's like, that era is over.

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Speaker 3: But two, the mere acknowledgment of the incoming Secretary of

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Speaker 3: but all right, we'll let's do it, Okay, all right, sure, Well,

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Speaker 2: I mean Trump says he's going to get us a

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Speaker 5: More days of war.

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Speaker 1: Listen, Steve would cough, get your ass on the plane.

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Speaker 3: The key to Moscow. He is our new Avrel Herriman,

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Speaker 1: so listen, Steve, get over there, man, we need you.

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Speaker 2: Part of what you say, though, does underscore the difficulty

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Speaker 1: Any I mean, with Ukraine, we've got total.

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Speaker 2: With Ukraine, we do, but you have to get the

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Speaker 5: So it is a tricky situation.

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Speaker 2: But and you know, Rubio constitutionally like he is a

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Speaker 2: I think there's almost a built way wide recognition, whether

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Speaker 5: Yes, that's not happening. Crazy, that's not happening.

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Speaker 2: So it's nice to hear at least a little bit

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Speaker 2: he's a wild card in order to try to secure

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Speaker 2: it's so interesting watching Washington work like Rubio is basically,

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Speaker 5: He's a hawkish guy.

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Speaker 2: There's lots of always has been right, that is his

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Speaker 5: You know, they're like, oh, he's one of us.

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Speaker 2: He can yeah, he's respect he passes their respectability threshold.

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Speaker 2: So it's a much different approach to him. I did

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Speaker 2: Trump has these business deals all around the world, but

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Speaker 2: in particular, he has massive and Kushner have massive financial

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Speaker 2: getting from this frickin Saudi live golf tour. They're going

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Speaker 2: just one example. Kushner got what two billion dollars from

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Speaker 2: the Saudis they're all kinds of financial entanglements there. And

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Speaker 2: you know, when you've got a president who the largest

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Speaker 2: are these financial entanglements impacting their views and their approach

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Speaker 2: to foreign policy. Is this just about American interest or

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Speaker 2: is this about your business interest as well. Chris Murphy

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Speaker 6: Over the last eight years while he was in office

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Speaker 6: family have become more deeply dependent on revenue from governments

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Speaker 6: in the Middle East. During his last presidency, Middle East

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Speaker 6: interests sent about ten million dollars to Trump properties. After

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Speaker 6: giving the Saudi's massive leverage over the Trump family. And

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Speaker 6: then to make matters worse. Right after the election, the

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Speaker 6: Never before in the history of this country has a

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I am not neither authorized nor

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Speaker 4: into any of these arrangements you've pointed out. You mentioned

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Speaker 4: to be a Floridian. I don't know what, if any,

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Speaker 4: as an example, the President's envoid to that region who

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Speaker 4: and in fact, I dare say that all involved deserve

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Speaker 4: credit for the seaswire that the Chairman's just announced, but

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Speaker 4: he has been involved in it from day one. I

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Speaker 4: think the broader consideration about whether we want to see

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Speaker 4: a Saudi Israeli mutual recognition and relationship would be one

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Speaker 4: They have a right to be in the business. I mean,

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Speaker 4: that's the business that they're in. They're in the real

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Speaker 4: estate business. They've been for a very long time, both

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Speaker 4: domestically and abroad. They have properties in multiple countries. So

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Speaker 4: at the end of the day, I don't know his

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Speaker 7: That's central to the peaceful transition of power in a

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Speaker 7: To my knowledge, Donald Trump has never acknowledged the legal

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Speaker 5: I think that's right. I think that's right.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: The Democrats hater because she's a turncoat, right exactly, she

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Speaker 3: didn't piss Trump off. He pissed off Elon, which I

439
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Speaker 3: think is equally possible. Is big egos, you know, eat,

440
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Speaker 3: maybe Elon doesn't necessarily want to share the doge mantle

441
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 3: with Viveke Ramas swam and he told Trump He's like, hey,

442
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Speaker 3: I need you to get rid of a vic for me.

443
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Speaker 3: So I don't know what's happening, you know now, But

444
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 3: it is interesting because they had zero chance of getting

445
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,680
Speaker 3: the Senate seed zero Like previously Mike Dwine were about

446
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 3: to show everybody. Ohio local media had lists of people floated.

447
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Speaker 3: As of a couple of days ago. His name's not

448
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Speaker 3: even on the damn list. It was one hundred percent assumed.

449
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 3: But ever since this hold h one b saga, it

450
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Speaker 3: now seems that Trump is looking for a way to

451
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Speaker 3: get him out of the government and shunked him over

452
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Speaker 3: to the Senate. A little weird though, because senator is

453
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Speaker 3: actually like a very important job, like also your own

454
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Speaker 3: principle and your own right. You know, I'm not so

455
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Speaker 3: sure how Ohioan's feel about being called lazy. Love to

456
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Speaker 3: see that one go over good luck, good luck to you.

457
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:48,439
Speaker 3: I'm sure shared would make a so I'm very curious

458
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Speaker 3: to see what happens here. But nonetheless, something is happening.

459
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Speaker 3: Either he pissed Trump off or he pissed off Elon.

460
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Speaker 3: He hasn't tweeted it in a while, and now this

461
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Speaker 3: thing before he's even taken his job.

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Speaker 1: Now he's being flowed for another job. You don't want

463
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Speaker 1: to be this whenever you're here in DALs.

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Speaker 2: Could be some combination of both, but the pissing off

465
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Speaker 2: Elon thing actually does make some sense, because this.

466
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Speaker 5: Did the vics.

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Speaker 2: You know, boy, meets World Saved by the Bell infamous

468
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Speaker 2: tweet at this point, which seems to have spelled somewhat

469
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Speaker 2: of an undoing here in Maga world. I mean, that

470
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Speaker 2: is part of what brought so much wrath against not

471
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Speaker 2: just a fake but against Elon's the h I mean

472
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Speaker 2: that just was absolute fuel on the fire. And you

473
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Speaker 2: can see the way that Elon has reacted, you know,

474
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Speaker 2: jumping into the UK Grooming Gang's discussion and all of

475
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Speaker 2: that in an effort to regain the credibility that he

476
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Speaker 2: previously had with Mega. So he clearly sees this as

477
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Speaker 2: having been a problem for him with regard to his

478
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Speaker 2: rep on the right.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, Vivek was an.

480
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Speaker 2: Important part of creating that story and making it as

481
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Speaker 2: much of a conflagration as it ultimately was. So that

482
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Speaker 2: does actually make sense to me that Elon was like,

483
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Speaker 2: you know, I don't really need this dude around, Like,

484
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Speaker 2: go do something else with him, Go to the hinterlands

485
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Speaker 2: and run for this Senate seat in the you know,

486
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Speaker 2: in his conception, Yeah, I don't know how it will

487
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Speaker 2: go for him if he's running against Jared Brown, who's

488
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Speaker 2: probably the one Democrat who could potentially still even win

489
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Speaker 2: in the state of Ohio has tons of working class

490
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Speaker 2: and labor cred. After Viveake did his whole screed against

491
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Speaker 2: the white working class and kind of showed us colors there,

492
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Speaker 2: that might be a little bit of a difficult thing

493
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Speaker 2: to overcome. And then the other thing Sager that I

494
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Speaker 2: didn't realize is apparently Vivecan wanted to run for governor

495
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Speaker 2: of Ohio, which is up in twenty twenty six, which

496
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Speaker 2: if you are in this Senate seat and you get appointed,

497
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Speaker 2: then you have to run in twenty twenty six for

498
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Speaker 2: the full Senate term. So it creates some awkward timing

499
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Speaker 2: for him. So and then you've got DeWine who just won,

500
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Speaker 2: I mean Diwine won his seat, and absolute Landslide has

501
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Speaker 2: its own power base in the state of Ohio, does

502
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Speaker 2: not have to kowtow to Donald Trump and you know,

503
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Speaker 2: enact his wishes. But then what does he want to

504
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Speaker 2: do post governor's mansion? Does he want some sort of

505
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Speaker 2: administration gig? Is there something that Trump could give him

506
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 2: as well? So there's a lot of different interesting political

507
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Speaker 2: peace is here going on, But the most fascinating one

508
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 2: is the big standing within Maga world visa v. Trump

509
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Speaker 2: Visa v Elon and how they clearly are trying to

510
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Speaker 2: kind of push him aside and push him out of DOGE.

511
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Speaker 5: At this point.

512
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, let's put C three up there on the screen.

513
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Speaker 3: So this is why this is a time sensitive segment.

514
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Speaker 3: Governor DeWine is set to put his is set to

515
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Speaker 3: name this person, like I said, any day now. According

516
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Speaker 3: to somebody close to him, this was local Ohio media.

517
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Speaker 3: They say, whoever it is has to be sworn in

518
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Speaker 3: or should be sworn in before Jdvance is sworn in

519
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Speaker 3: as vice president on January twentieth. Okay, so that means

520
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Speaker 3: like we're talking about four days and now this is

521
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Speaker 3: a very fast moving thing. The previous names that have

522
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Speaker 3: been floated are the Lieutenant Governor John Husted. Sorry, by

523
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Speaker 3: the way, to the local ohioans, I don't know who

524
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Speaker 3: you are. Other notable names include the Ohio Treasurer Robert Sprague,

525
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Speaker 3: former state Senator Matt Role, yeah Big Sprague, Head Secretary

526
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Speaker 3: of State Frank LaRose, Columbus Area Congressman Might Care, and

527
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Speaker 3: former Ohio Republican Party chair Jane Timkin.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why that name.

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Speaker 5: I know she's familiar to me, so she ran for

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Speaker 5: something else. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It's funny some of these names, they're back here somewhere

532
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Speaker 3: from various news coverage now over the years. But the

533
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Speaker 3: point is, every single one of the folks that we

534
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Speaker 3: just listed are Ohioans in their own right. There are

535
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Speaker 3: people who are long standing ties in the state. They

536
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Speaker 3: have been floated previously. Vivek is from Ohio. I don't

537
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Speaker 3: actually know if he lives there. I'm assuming he does,

538
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 3: probably has houses everywhere. But he was not even on

539
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Speaker 3: the short list. It was assumed one hundred percent of

540
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Speaker 3: was going into dog. So the question mark now is

541
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Speaker 3: if he does get it. Was that an Elon move?

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Speaker 3: It makes some very interesting politics going forward. Man, I

543
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Speaker 3: would love to cover that if he is. If he

544
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Speaker 3: gets it, I'm gonna go to Ohio to go see

545
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Speaker 3: the midterm. I got to see it for myself, Like

546
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Speaker 3: this h one b stuff, Share it and it would

547
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Speaker 3: be an incredible race.

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Speaker 2: It absolutely would well because I mean not only the

549
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Speaker 2: victims anti why working class creed, but also I mean,

550
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Speaker 2: here he is this billionaire dude who you know, basically

551
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 2: got rich from scamming investors on this Alzheimer's drug that

552
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 2: had already failed test trials multiple times, and so there's

553
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: a lot to work with that someone like Shared can

554
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Speaker 2: actually make Hay out a different Democrat. Like we had this,

555
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Speaker 2: you know problem in Virginia with Glen Youngkin running against

556
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Speaker 2: Terry mccuff. Like Colo couldn't make anything of Glenn Youngkin's

557
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 2: past financial dealings.

558
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Speaker 5: Because he was implicated in that sort of thing as well.

559
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Speaker 2: So so yeah, he couldn't make anything out of it.

560
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Speaker 2: But Shared Brown, that's his lane. He would know how

561
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Speaker 2: to exploit those weaknesses with regard to if the vague,

562
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Speaker 2: So that would be I'm cheering for it just because

563
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Speaker 2: that would be a really interesting race to cover and

564
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Speaker 2: listen if you had to.

565
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Speaker 5: Bet right now.

566
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Speaker 2: I mean, just history is that typically the opposition party

567
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Speaker 2: does well in the first mid term. After you know that,

568
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Speaker 2: there's like a backlash and people want to check and

569
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Speaker 2: the opposition is motivated and the people were in power

570
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Speaker 2: less motivated. So you know, that also makes things more interesting.

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Speaker 3: I think there's only been three midterms since the eighteen

572
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Speaker 3: hundreds where the party in power has gained seats, so

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Speaker 3: three since the eighteen hundreds. Biden was actually one of

574
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Speaker 3: those who defied expectations shockingly enough only to go on

575
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Speaker 3: to get blown out in the next election. So that

576
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Speaker 3: goes to show you public opinion is very thermostatic, and

577
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 3: it moves around a lot. You can get do well

578
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Speaker 3: on the midterms, you can get blown out in the

579
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Speaker 3: general election. So things happen and they move and they

580
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Speaker 3: shake all the time. Yes, all right, let's get to California.

581
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Speaker 2: Yes, So, John Stewart had a in my opinion, fantastic

582
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Speaker 2: monologue talking about the LA wildfires and really in particular

583
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Speaker 2: going after Republicans for suggesting, and many of them will

584
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Speaker 2: show you in a minute, including Speaker of the House

585
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Speaker 2: Mike Johnson, that either California not get aid or that

586
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Speaker 2: it be tied to some sort of preconditions. Let's take

587
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Speaker 2: a listen to a little bit of what John Stewart

588
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Speaker 2: had to say.

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Speaker 10: Problem now is Republicans apperior to want to attached there.

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Speaker 10: I told you SOS as a condition of funding California's

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Speaker 10: disaster relief, expect.

592
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Speaker 7: That there will be strings attached to money that is

593
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Speaker 7: ultimately approved.

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Speaker 1: I think there should probably be conditions on that day.

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Speaker 5: That's my personal view.

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Speaker 10: Before we put funds into place, we've got to find

597
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Speaker 10: out exactly how we're going to hold these leaders accountable

598
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Speaker 10: and what sort of policy changes are required. Reb states

599
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 10: are always the tragic victims of circumstance outside of their control,

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Speaker 10: and Democrats always vote for their aid, whereas blue state

601
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Speaker 10: disasters are a function of their flawed morality and policy.

602
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Speaker 10: And if we help blue state survivors, well, what message

603
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Speaker 10: will that send? Improvements can be made in leadership, in management,

604
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 10: in design, in materials, in myriad ways, but sometimes fire

605
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Speaker 10: fox a tornado and make some mockery of human infrastructure

606
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Speaker 10: and our ability to dictate the terms of our existence

607
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Speaker 10: on this planet. One thing it shouldn't dictate is the

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Speaker 10: cruelty that we would show to those in pain because

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Speaker 10: we don't think they consistently vote right.

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Speaker 2: I think that is all very well said, And I

611
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Speaker 2: was telling you, Sager, one of the things that actually

612
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Speaker 2: radicalized me against the Democratic Party is when I lived

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Speaker 2: in Kentucky, and Kentucky has was one of the sort

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Speaker 2: of shifting red states that actually held on to Democratic

615
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Speaker 2: majorities in their state House for a long time. This,

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Speaker 2: like Appalachian Realignment, was the last one to happen at

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Speaker 2: the state level, and the number of just I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about like you know, Nancy Plis, I'm

619
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Speaker 2: talking about just random Democrats online who as this raft

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Speaker 2: of terrible legislation, attacks on teachers, pension, and attacks on

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Speaker 2: labor unions, et cetera, et cetera, was rolling through the

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Speaker 2: Kentucky State House and being signed into legislation by the

623
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Speaker 2: at that time Republican governor Matt Bevin.

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Speaker 5: Who were like, we'll screw you.

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Speaker 2: You should have voted different, like you should have known better,

626
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Speaker 2: you should have done something different. And I found that

627
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: attitude so disgusting because I don't think whether people have

628
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Speaker 2: a good life or not should be dependent on whether

629
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Speaker 2: they voted for the politician that you like or don't like.

630
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Speaker 2: I you know, have Karen Bass I think has made

631
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Speaker 2: a mess politically for herself.

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Speaker 5: She pled she wouldn't go out in the country.

633
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Speaker 2: Then she was out in the country when the worst

634
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Speaker 2: disaster possible struck the state. I am no Gavin Newsom fan.

635
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Speaker 2: I don't think that should have anything to do with

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Speaker 2: whether or not people who just lost their homes and

637
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Speaker 2: everything they ever worked for, whether or not they get aid.

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Speaker 2: Some of those people, by the way, are Republicans too.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of Republicans in California, though the

640
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: state overall is blue. And if we start going down

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Speaker 2: this path of saying I'm only giving aid and only

642
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Speaker 2: helping out when you vote for the politicians that I

643
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Speaker 2: want you to vote for, there is no end to

644
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Speaker 2: that hell for this country that we would go, I.

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Speaker 1: Will look, I'll split the difference.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying I'm fine with conditioning aid as long

647
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Speaker 3: as it's reasonable. And what I mean by that is,

648
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Speaker 3: for example, like when we bailed out pension funds, right,

649
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Speaker 3: we don't bail out pension funds and allow them to

650
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Speaker 3: just continue doing business after two thousand and eight. We'll

651
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Speaker 3: bail you out, but we need to have some systematic

652
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Speaker 3: reform to make sure that this stuff doesn't happen. So

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Speaker 3: if it was actually policy focused, I would be fine.

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Speaker 3: But the problem is is if they're for example, as

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Speaker 3: people here know, I don't agree with the electoral vehicle

656
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Speaker 3: mandate at all.

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Speaker 1: It had nothing to do with the fire.

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Speaker 3: So we shouldn't be bailing out the state, conditioning on them,

659
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Speaker 3: reversing policy that has nothing to do with the actual

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Speaker 3: circumstances here. So let's say we're talking about water reservoir Well,

661
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Speaker 3: we're like all right, Well, here's this money for this

662
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Speaker 3: water reservoir to build ten more. Don't use it for

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Speaker 3: something else. I'm fine with that, you know whatever. I

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Speaker 3: don't even know if.

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Speaker 1: It's necessarily conditioning eight.

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Speaker 3: But if it's about broader politics, I'd be totally against it.

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Speaker 3: I mean another principal thing too. People here, now, I

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Speaker 3: love California always. Well, it doesn't matter how screwed up

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Speaker 3: it gets. It's just a beautiful state. But the thing

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Speaker 3: is is, we're given unconditioned aid to Ukraine and to Israel,

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Speaker 3: but we're going to condition aid to the state of Calcia.

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Speaker 1: That's too much for me.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Where I'm like, so the Israelis can do whatever they

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Speaker 3: want with our money, and so the Ukrainians can do

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Speaker 3: whatever we want through our money.

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Speaker 1: And look, I can make.

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Speaker 3: An economic case probably California deserves to get bailed out

679
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Speaker 3: than any other state in the entire nation. They paid

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Speaker 3: probably more income tax to the federal government than anybody else.

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Speaker 3: They've got the biggest population. It's a G seven nation

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Speaker 3: in its own right. You got twenty five percent of

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Speaker 3: the GDP of the entire country tied up in an

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Speaker 3: industry which is headquartered there. So look, got a lot

685
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Speaker 3: of problems and all that, but you know, if California

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Speaker 3: is split off from America, we'd be screwed.

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Speaker 1: It'd be not good for any of us.

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Speaker 3: So look just based on that alone, and then you've

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Speaker 3: got the civic argument here, which is, look at state

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Speaker 3: just like any other I would stay for Alabama, I'd

691
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Speaker 3: say from Mississippi. All these other states which are probably

692
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Speaker 3: net negatives you know, on a balance sheet for the

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Speaker 3: federal government, doesn't mean they aren't our citizens. Puerto Rico,

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Speaker 3: any of these places. If you're under our purview, we

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Speaker 3: take care of you. So yeah, I have some problems

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Speaker 3: with it, and I just think it'd be absurd.

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Speaker 1: I also do think.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty antithetical the America first conception of it, when

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Speaker 2: you're like, sure, Israel have whatever you want, but oh,

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Speaker 2: struggling citizen in California.

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Speaker 5: Sorry, not a big Karen Bass fan.

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Speaker 3: So your and I do think that there are I mean,

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Speaker 3: like you said, there are a lot of Republicans in California.

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Speaker 1: I need to go look it up. I have millions

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Speaker 1: of people.

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Speaker 5: I saw someone there.

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Speaker 2: I think just the state is so large, but I

708
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Speaker 2: think there's the largest number of Republicans of any state

709
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Speaker 2: in the state of California, just simply because it is

710
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Speaker 2: such a large population there.

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Speaker 3: Population shift all the time. I I can tell you this.

712
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Speaker 3: I know people in La California, they have been radicalized.

713
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Speaker 3: Things are very going to be They're going to be

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Speaker 3: very different. I think the LA elite. I mean, look

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Speaker 3: at ari Emmanuels are supporting a recall on not officially,

716
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Speaker 3: but he's like endorsed Karen Bass. He's the unofficial mayor

717
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Speaker 3: right like WMME. You've got people like Rick Caruso and others,

718
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 3: the tech guys, half of them are right wing. Peter

719
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Speaker 3: Thiel lives in La. There's a lot of right wingers

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Speaker 3: who live in LA. There's a lot of very rich Californians.

721
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Speaker 3: But not just them. Now, the voters, they've got a

722
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Speaker 3: good case against Karen. I mean, she's done right, she's dead.

723
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Speaker 3: She's never gonna I would certainly, Yeah, she'll probably get

724
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Speaker 3: a recalled given them what's happened to her, and that

725
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Speaker 3: guy Rick Caruso is probably gonna win. So you can

726
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Speaker 3: think about You've got all these guys and others who

727
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 3: are effectively supporting a Dino like a Democrat in name only,

728
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 3: I mean, who cares whether it's Democrat or Republican if

729
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Speaker 3: you want the policy to change. This would actually give

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Speaker 3: Karen Bass and some of the liberals an argument for

731
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Speaker 3: why to you know, to argue against people like the

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Speaker 3: actual reformers and others that you may want to see

733
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Speaker 3: in power. So that'd be another main reason not to

734
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Speaker 3: do it well.

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Speaker 2: And also just keep in mind, like a lot of

736
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Speaker 2: the focus has been on Pacific policies, which is not

737
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Speaker 2: I guess the I mean, I have sympathy for anyone

738
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Speaker 2: who works their home, even they're rich, famous, whatever, But

739
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Speaker 2: you know, these are wealthy people.

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Speaker 5: They're going to be able to rebuild. By and large.

741
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Speaker 2: There's a middle class, longtime black community that was just

742
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: utterly devastated, and you're going to tell me you're not

743
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Speaker 2: going to give them help in this horrible situation, No

744
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Speaker 2: fall to their own because you don't like the way

745
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: that California votes, like that's disgusting, That is just to me,

746
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Speaker 2: that is just an absolutely repellent way to treat your

747
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: fellow human beings, let alone your fellow citizens. And you know, Democrats, certainly,

748
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 2: they have always consistently voted for the aid for whatever

749
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Speaker 2: state wherever it comes from. But there's nothing that would

750
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Speaker 2: keep that principle in place. If you're going to wage

751
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Speaker 2: war on California that way. Guess what next time there's

752
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Speaker 2: a hurricane that hits Florida, which Lord know is going

753
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: to happen next to hurricane season, suddenly they may have

754
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: some questions about whether they want to vote that aid

755
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Speaker 2: through and help Floridians in their time of need because

756
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: they don't like the way that the state has shifted

757
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Speaker 2: to the right.

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Speaker 5: So that's why I say this is, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, absolute hell path to go on, as if the

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Speaker 2: nation isn't already divided enough.

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Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's get to mister beast. This is a

763
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,959
Speaker 3: really fun story. I've been excited to cover it. First

764
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Speaker 3: and foremost is just the fate of TikTok. What the

765
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Speaker 3: hell is going to happen? Literally four days from when

766
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Speaker 3: we're taking this segment, TikTok is set to shut down

767
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Speaker 3: as long as the Supreme Court doesn't issue an opinion,

768
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Speaker 3: and the Supreme Court has already said we're not issuing

769
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Speaker 3: opinions for the next week, So basically it's over as

770
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Speaker 3: of January nineteenth, TikTok's plan is shut it all down.

771
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Speaker 3: Now people have been floating trying to buy it. Mister

772
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Speaker 3: Beast has planned. Nobody really knows if this is a

773
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Speaker 3: bit or not. It's probably both. But mister Beast has

774
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Speaker 3: come out and said that he's met with a bunch

775
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Speaker 3: of billionaires to try and buy TikTok.

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Speaker 1: Here's what you have to say.

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Speaker 6: Just got out of a meeting with a bunch of billionaires. TikTok.

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Speaker 1: We mean business. This is my lawyer right here. We

779
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Speaker 1: have that offer ready for you. We want to buy

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Speaker 1: the platform America deserves.

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Speaker 5: TikTok. Give me a seat at the table.

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Speaker 1: Let me save this platform. TikTok. So that's his lawyer.

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00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 3: I don't watch enough mister Beast to know the names

784
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 3: of all the side characters.

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Speaker 1: Isn't one of them named Chris or something? Is that

786
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: his name?

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Speaker 9: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Idea all right, Yeah, but my kid, I do know.

789
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 3: That there are many people in the Beast universe. He

790
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 3: may be one of those. I'm not one hundred percent sure.

791
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 3: Maybe he's the one who they're always making fun of

792
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 3: his mom. But anyways, that is something on the table.

793
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Speaker 1: We have previously.

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00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 3: We've previously covered the Chinese Communist Party floating selling it

795
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 3: to Elon Musk without even the consent of byte edance.

796
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 3: They didn't even know that that was possible. They have

797
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 3: also come out and said previously, we're.

798
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: Just gonna shut it down. So we have no idea.

799
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so even if mister even this is real and

800
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,959
Speaker 2: billionaires are backing a mister Beast.

801
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Speaker 5: Purchase may not be TikTok. It may not be for sale.

802
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what TikTok is saying is we are

803
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 2: not for sale. If this does not get you know, thwarted,

804
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: this ban, uh.

805
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 5: Like reversed, then we're just going to shut down.

806
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 2: One update is that Trump is apparently looking at an

807
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: executive order that I mean, he can't reverse the legislation

808
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: without converse exactly, but he could issue an executive order saying, yeah,

809
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: we are going to use our prosecutorial discretion to not

810
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 2: enforce this ban against TikTok at least for this number

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Speaker 2: of days while I try to work out some kind

812
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 2: of a deal. So that to be the direction that

813
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 2: they're moving in. Keep in mind, though the band is

814
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: supposed to go in a fact the day before Trump

815
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Speaker 2: is invungarated.

816
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Speaker 3: So whatever we also know that Trump has now invited

817
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 3: the CEO of TikTok to sit with Mark Zuckerberg and

818
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 3: Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk at the day.

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Speaker 5: How do you feel about that, Sager?

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Speaker 1: I'm not happy.

821
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Speaker 3: What did I open the show talking about how Trump

822
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 3: is a deeply transactional, egomaniacal figure who has to be

823
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 3: manipulated through the media.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's like they succeeded.

825
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Speaker 2: I mean, the Trump became talking popular on TikTok. Yes,

826
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: he has now a warm place in his heart for

827
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Speaker 2: I think he even said something to that effect. He did.

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Speaker 1: He literally said that he's like the young people love me.

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Speaker 1: The TikTok said.

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Speaker 5: Better with young people than he's ever done before.

831
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Speaker 2: And so suddenly he feels and oh and by the way,

832
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Speaker 2: he got a bunch of money from jeff yass That

833
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Speaker 2: never hurts since.

834
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Speaker 1: Oh certainly does.

835
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Speaker 3: He's a Marlago member who's got twenty billion dollar net worth,

836
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 3: half of it's tied up and by dance, why a

837
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Speaker 3: US billionaire is allowed to have a majority of his

838
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Speaker 3: networth tied up in a Chinese coming very interesting? Anyway,

839
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Speaker 3: we'll continue to move past it. The whole point is

840
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 3: in all of this, though, is there's also been an

841
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 3: organic backlash, and this may surprise people, I'm really enjoying it.

842
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 3: So lots of Americans are now downloading Chinese social media

843
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 3: apps as a screw you to the government for banning TikTok.

844
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Speaker 3: Some of those apps include and I'm going to butcher

845
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Speaker 3: this in Mandarin, I'm really sorry, is a jijong shu

846
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 3: or Xiao x hoong shu. That's where we're going to

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Speaker 3: go with. And also red Note ja jong Shu. Red

848
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 3: Note is a Chinese social media kind of TikTok competitor,

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Speaker 3: but also has a messaging function on it. The fascinating

850
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 3: part of this has been Americans interacting with actual Chinese netizens.

851
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 3: It's the first time in almost twenty years that that

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00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 3: has happened, which I think is great.

853
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: So let's go ahead and show people some of what

854
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: we have got here.

855
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 3: We've got some creators just marveling over Chinese infrastructure. She says,

856
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 3: your mind is about to be blown at what I've

857
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 3: found on Red Note, and she's showing off that here

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00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 3: we have created, just reminding all of the new Americans

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Speaker 3: that this is a safe Chinese space. We need to

860
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Speaker 3: respect the rules that are on this platform and not

861
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Speaker 3: bring our American bullshit.

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Speaker 1: I actually like it. That's how all Americans should act

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Speaker 1: whenever they go to Asia.

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Speaker 3: Shut your mouth, stop being so loud, eat the food

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Speaker 3: that's put in front of you, and observe local customs.

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Speaker 1: This was great. I love this.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know China was so beautiful. Does China really

868
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 3: look like this? So this is what I just wanted

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Speaker 3: to talk to you about. There seems to be this

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Speaker 3: like lib and leftist consideration that Americans have been syoped

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Speaker 3: into believing China is like some backwards nation. I don't

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Speaker 3: think that that is the case. I think this is

873
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 3: actually just a matter of people being completely uninformed. Because

874
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 3: if anybody, if even listening to me at least on

875
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 3: China and others, what's the number one thing they're getting

876
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 3: ahead of us?

877
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 1: I respect them.

878
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 3: It's not in terms of, oh, there are these backwards,

879
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 3: horrible people. I'm like, no, no, no, you don't understand. They're

880
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 3: lapping us on multiple different industries. In many ways. They

881
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 3: have a better quality of life in some cities and

882
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: others than American citizens do, which also apparently be shocking

883
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 3: to people.

884
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: So my take on this is it's great.

885
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 3: I think it's great that Americans are getting to talk

886
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 3: to Chinese people on their social media apps. The question

887
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 3: for the Chinese is are they going to continue to

888
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 3: allow that?

889
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's an interesting question for them because on

890
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: the one hand, you know, it makes it so it's

891
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: harder to control, right, and you have this. I mean,

892
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: I think this sort of cultural exchange is a beautiful thing.

893
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: Oh, it's good, and that's most important.

894
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: So I think the more that we interface with people

895
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 2: from other countries and see them as just human beings,

896
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: absolutely going about their lives and doing their thing with

897
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: personalities and sense of humor and whatever, I think that

898
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: is a beautiful thing. I also think I don't know

899
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 2: what conceptions people have in their heat about China, but

900
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: I do know that most of the coverage from Western

901
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: media about the country of China is quite negative. So,

902
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: you know, having interface with just regular Chinese people and

903
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 2: being like, these are nice people. I like this person, like,

904
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: you know, they're just like me in a lot of ways.

905
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: I think that is a net positive. You know, for

906
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 2: the Chinese government. On the one hand, it's kind of

907
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 2: like tremendous soft power that they're you know, they're having

908
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: access to right now because they are the perception of

909
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: China and what the country is like and what the

910
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 2: people are like. Among young people in this country who

911
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: have been more willing than other generations. I mean, they're

912
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 2: just not locked in this like cold war mentality. They're

913
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 2: not locked in the mentality around Israel. They're not locked

914
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: into some of the previous preconceptions. So minds are a

915
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: bit more open to start with, you know, I think

916
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: that is I think the Chinese government probably sees that

917
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: as a tremendous asset boom. On the other hand, you know,

918
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 2: they want to control. They have exercised much more tight

919
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: control on their social media than we do, even from

920
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 2: the perspective of just like they don't like young people

921
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: in their country have the screen time that really have,

922
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: so they they see social media and in some ways

923
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 2: they're very correct about this, about some of the incredibly

924
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 2: proletarious effects of social media on our own young people,

925
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: and so they're more like sensitive to those concerns. And

926
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: then also they're obviously like censories in certain ways, and

927
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: there's certain topics they don't want to brusure whatsoever. So

928
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: it is an interesting this.

929
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: Is what a friend of mine, Rush Doshi.

930
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 2: But I've been loving it. But I would say bottom line,

931
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 2: i've been loving it. I've been enjoying the exchange, the character.

932
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: If you think China is backwards, you're an idiot, Okay,

933
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 3: I mean Shenzen is probably one of the world's most

934
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 3: advanced cities. If I encourage I'm totally blanking on the

935
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 3: guy's name right now.

936
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: He's a car reviewer. I think his name is Forrest.

937
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: I'm going to go with that.

938
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 3: He does some of the best car reviews in the business,

939
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 3: and he does a ton of Chinese. EV's BYD will

940
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 3: lap a Tesla and any American made EV by a mile.

941
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 2: There's a reason why we have to have protection as

942
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 2: absolutely because of you. EV's because they're kicking.

943
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 1: Or I'm getting I'm forgetting.

944
00:43:55,719 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 3: The guy's name Warren Buffer, Warren Buffett's billionaire partner who died,

945
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 3: Charlie's my Kiunger.

946
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 1: Charlie Munger. Charlie Munger.

947
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 3: I listened to the last interview he gave before he died,

948
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 3: and he said that the founder of BYD is the

949
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 3: single smartest person he ever met, the greatest inventor. He was,

950
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 3: like I would have put more money into him if

951
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 3: I possibly could have, just so people know, I have deep,

952
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 3: deep respect.

953
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: For a lot of these people. I've also been to China.

954
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 3: I was very young. I was like sixteen, seventeen or

955
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 3: whatever when I went. It's one of the most beautiful

956
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 3: places I've ever been. Specifically, the Great Wall of China

957
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 3: is one of the coolest, one of the coolest things

958
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 3: I've ever seen in my whole life.

959
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: The Forbidden City, it's incredible. They have an amazing history.

960
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 3: I have nothing but respect for these people, and in fact,

961
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 3: it's my respect which makes me fear them. But a

962
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 3: question here with Rush Doshi, let's put e four pleas

963
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 3: up on the screen, is Rush makes this point as

964
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 3: Americans flood Jean Jong Shu, which is what we're going with.

965
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 3: We're seeing a lot more direct online interaction between the

966
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 3: US and PRC citizens, but the PRC has not always

967
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 3: welcomed that, which is partly why it has banned foreign

968
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 3: social media. So the success of the app is a

969
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 3: major test for PRC authorities. He follows up candidly, I've

970
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 3: enjoyed seeing the interaction. It reminds me of an earlier,

971
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 3: more hopeful era of US China people to people interaction

972
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 3: on the Internet, which is twenty years old now, And

973
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 3: that's precisely why I would be nervous if I was

974
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 3: an executive of that company right now. Previously, we have

975
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 3: seen this Facebook nuked, Google nuked, and they nuked these

976
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 3: things early. And when I visited in two thousand and nine,

977
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 3: I want to say, that's when we were in high

978
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 3: school and we're very on Facebook.

979
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: There was no Facebook.

980
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 3: I it was the first time I ever went to

981
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 3: a country in my cante Facebook. Same with Google. It

982
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 3: was shocking. I remember even then. I mean what almost

983
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 3: fifteen years ago or so now, So that's the reality

984
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 3: of what life is like in China. All of their

985
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 3: actions around bike Dance have showed us this. Again, people

986
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 3: don't seem to understand this TikTok. It might be a

987
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 3: Chinese company, it's not what they use in China. They

988
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 3: have their own version. I think it's called deuyt and

989
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 3: Doyen has screen time restrictions one hour a day for

990
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 3: people who are teenagers. If you're an OnlyFans model, yeah

991
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 3: good luck, you're getting nuked. If you're like a little

992
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 3: influencer girl who's promoting consumerism, nuked. If you are promoting

993
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 3: transgenderism or gender ideology, nuked.

994
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: If you are.

995
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 3: Promoting hard work and filial piety to the Communist Party, oh,

996
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you're a nice little influencer there.

997
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 3: So just so people know, the difference between actual Chinese

998
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 3: social media and American social media.

999
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: Is gigantic for what it actually shows.

1000
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 3: But in general, I have been really enjoying this American

1001
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 3: cultural exchange. As people know, I don't like Europe. I

1002
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 3: encourage people, if you're able to visit China, go for it.

1003
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people who did study of

1004
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 3: broad programs there. They absolutely loved it. Immerse yourself in

1005
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 3: the culture.

1006
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: It's cool.

1007
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 3: It's like an alien society because they do things totally differently.

1008
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 3: Their evolution of tech is incredible. What they've decided. What

1009
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: they did is because they skipped Facebook, Google.

1010
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: And everything on the MacBook. Everything in China is on

1011
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: the phone.

1012
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 3: They pay for all of their stuff with their phones,

1013
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 3: They all their social media, Uber everything. It's one of

1014
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 3: the world's most like convenience societies now and has some

1015
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 3: downside with.

1016
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: Social credit score.

1017
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 3: It also, if you piss off the government, your phone

1018
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 3: stops working, Your payment sports stop working. You need, you know,

1019
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 3: permits to be able to leave your village and like

1020
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 3: to be able to go from one place to another.

1021
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 3: You should ask them about that on Jieshong Shue. But yeah, look,

1022
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 3: I'm enjoying people learning more.

1023
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: About the world, and I think it's a good thing.

1024
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's earnest and it's sweet, and I think anytime

1025
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 2: we can break down those human to human barriers is

1026
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 2: a good thing.

1027
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 5: This is also kind of funny.

1028
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 2: Apparently the interest in learning Mandarin has like skyrocketed. That's

1029
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: a good duel lingo is you know, seizing on this

1030
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 2: moment as well. I can put this up on this

1031
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: courage is kind of funny to say, oh, so now

1032
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 2: you're a learning Mandarin and they've been putting out a

1033
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: bunch of tweets about And also I did see a

1034
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 2: graph just showing the tremendous spike in people who are

1035
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: trying to learn Mandarin, or at least the basics who've

1036
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 2: had their interest spark by.

1037
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 5: This whole thing.

1038
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 2: So it's just sort of funny and ironic that the

1039
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 2: attempt to ban TikTok over concerns about like Chinese influence

1040
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 2: and infiltration whatever has led to this response of people

1041
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: learning on a very visceral human to human basis, way

1042
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: more about China than they ever had before.

1043
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 3: So caricatures if people are never accurate. China is a

1044
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 3: country of what one point one billion. Even saying Chinese

1045
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 3: people is insane, right, you have all of these different provinces,

1046
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 3: there are so many different might yeah, which they.

1047
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: Don't like to talk about.

1048
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 3: Ask them about that too, you know, ask them about

1049
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 3: Han Chinese domination.

1050
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: And how what they feel about that.

1051
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 3: You've got what multiple Well, actually they're on one time zone,

1052
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 3: which is insane. Like people into better are the same

1053
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 3: time zone is in Beijing and have to keep the

1054
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 3: same time.

1055
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: But it's a vast country.

1056
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 3: They have everything from like I said, rural to multi

1057
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 3: tech oligarch billionaires. They've got people who don't even drive

1058
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 3: cars to people who take some of the world's most

1059
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 3: advanced transportation.

1060
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: And that's why it's interesting.

1061
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 3: I encourage people to learn a ton about it, and

1062
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 3: I think the more that you will learn, you will

1063
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 3: understand exactly how they use their corporations and others to

1064
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 3: try at the detriment, in my opinion of the United States,

1065
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 3: of their competition of their ability to plan long term

1066
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 3: baked in to their government and foreign policy since the

1067
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 3: days of Deng Xiaoping. And I think the most interesting

1068
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 3: thing about them is the duality of China. Like I said,

1069
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 3: the rural and the urban, the communists and the capitalists,

1070
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 3: like the oligarchy but the Communist party. It's a fascinating country.

1071
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 3: And look, we're gonna have to live with them no

1072
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 3: matter what. So it's great learn Mandarin. The more you

1073
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 3: can learn. I wish I knew it. I wish I

1074
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 3: could speak some of it. Learn Cantonese too. It's actually

1075
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 3: one of the coolest sounding languages in my opinion. Hong

1076
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 3: Kong that would be the next one on my list

1077
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 3: if I was able to go.

1078
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: So we'll see.

1079
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would love to go to China. That's definitely

1080
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 5: on my list.

1081
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: There you go.

1082
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 2: All right, let's go ahead and get to Fashakir, who

1083
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 2: has announced a run for DNC party chair. Very interesting

1084
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 2: to hear what he has to say. That's next, So

1085
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 2: you've got a bit of what it's maybe an exclusive,

1086
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: I don't know, we're a little unclear on that, but

1087
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 2: a potential first interview on a YouTube channel from fashion here.

1088
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Speaker 2: Who you guys probably know was Bernie's twenty twenty campaign chief.

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Speaker 2: He's also executive director of more Perfect Union and doing

1090
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Speaker 2: fantastic work over there. We rely on the content you

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Speaker 2: guys create a lot, so it's been really important.

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Speaker 9: And you've been featured in a more Perfect video. That's true,

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Speaker 9: that a collaboration.

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Speaker 2: I appreciated that and the reason in particular. There are

1095
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Speaker 2: many reasons we may want to speak with you, but

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Speaker 2: today you've just announced that you are running for DNC chair.

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Speaker 2: So welcome fast, great.

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Speaker 5: To see you.

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Speaker 9: Thank you, Chris. I appreciate the opportunity to talk about

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Speaker 9: it with you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, of course.

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Speaker 2: So what made you jump in? It's a little bit

1103
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Speaker 2: late in the game. There's already a number of contenders.

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Speaker 5: What are they vote?

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Speaker 2: They're voting what like early February, so you got about

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Speaker 2: two weeks to make your case here. So what made

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Speaker 2: you jump in?

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Speaker 9: Well, one of the reasons was that, first, I was

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Speaker 9: hesitant for a long period time. I've been doing a

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Speaker 9: thing with more Perfect Union on a daily basis. No,

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Speaker 9: I have no hunger and ambition for the title of

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Speaker 9: the job, you know, And I guess what motivated me

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Speaker 9: is watching a number of the candidates go out and

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Speaker 9: do conversations and be in forums and talk about, oh,

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Speaker 9: we're going to appeal to working class people. We need

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Speaker 9: to rebuild this party around working class ideas. I'm like, great, well,

1117
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 9: rhetorically we're moving, So give me the next dance er.

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Speaker 9: What are you going to do differently? You want to

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Speaker 9: make a working class party, what are you going to difference?

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Speaker 9: And I just constantly felt let down that the ambition,

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Speaker 9: if you're talking sincerely with conviction of changing the party

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Speaker 9: to be a working class party, get me something that

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Speaker 9: I can believe and make me turn my head and say, oh,

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Speaker 9: that's different. And I just didn't see it. And I'm like, well,

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Speaker 9: I'm sitting here saying I think I have some ideas,

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Speaker 9: and I'm watching the clock run down on the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 9: You only live once, Crystal, So I'm like, I'll get in.

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Speaker 9: I will make my case. I will try to make

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Speaker 9: the argument that if you had a vision and conviction

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Speaker 9: around what a working class party of the DNC would

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00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 9: look like, I'll make it. And so that's the hope

1132
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Speaker 9: and the opportunity here, and I'll hopefully present this case

1133
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Speaker 9: to all the deligates, talking to all of them and say,

1134
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Speaker 9: you know, I'm asking you to make a choice of

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Speaker 9: do you really want a working class party you can

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Speaker 9: get in the substance of it, of how you change it.

1137
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Speaker 9: But that's the case.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I've had a similar frustration. I talked to

1139
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Speaker 2: Mary and Williamson last week, who also is running. I

1140
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 2: think she'd acknowledge is you know, a pretty long shot

1141
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Speaker 2: because she comes in as a as a total outsider,

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Speaker 2: and I think she has that larger vision. But the

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Speaker 2: top contenders, I agree with you, it feels like shifting

1144
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 2: deck chairs around out the Titanic. So the rhetoric might

1145
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: be good about it. We got to be a working

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Speaker 2: class party, and it's like, okay, well, how are you

1147
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 2: going to do well? I think we should allocate a

1148
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 2: little more money to this you know, this state or

1149
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 2: that state or whatever. It's like, well, I don't think

1150
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Speaker 2: that's really going to get the job done. So what

1151
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 2: is your broader vision for how the Democratic Party turns

1152
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Speaker 2: around what has come to be an utter catastrophe among

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Speaker 2: working class Americans?

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Speaker 9: So you start with the problem. What is the problem

1155
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 9: right now? We are losing alignment with working class people.

1156
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 9: We saw an election and people setting out, So you say, okay,

1157
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 9: well you need that. That is the north star. Everyone

1158
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 9: acknowledged that's the north star. And so how do you

1159
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 9: solve it? What's the problem? And I look at like

1160
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,720
Speaker 9: the grassroots nature of this party as having been dilapidated.

1161
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 9: There's no conception of using organizing to say we need

1162
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,439
Speaker 9: to reconnect with people and make ourselves a healthy list,

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00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 9: a healthy convening body. How would you do that if

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Speaker 9: you really cared about working class people? Well, when Boeing

1165
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 9: workers go on strike, Crystal, do you think the DNC

1166
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 9: should play a role and letting people know that the DNC,

1167
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 9: that the Boeing workers are out there, that we could

1168
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 9: go and stand with them, that we could get pizza

1169
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Speaker 9: to the strike line. When the UAW is organizing, do

1170
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Speaker 9: you think the DNC could mobilize a community and say, hey,

1171
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 9: we stand with you. When people are fighting intendant unions,

1172
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Speaker 9: trying to advocate against evictions and trying to stop on

1173
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Speaker 9: reasonable rate hikes, can we do something about that. It's

1174
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Speaker 9: thinking substantively what you are, a working class person living

1175
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Speaker 9: a life, you are struggling. I at the DNC have

1176
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 9: some authority. I don't have full authority. I don't run

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Speaker 9: the world. But I have some ability to say I

1178
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 9: stand with you, to do something to move the dial

1179
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Speaker 9: on your behalf. That's a reconception not only of organizing

1180
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Speaker 9: capacity in the state, capacity to stand with working class people.

1181
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 9: But then I think you broaden that out to say, well,

1182
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 9: people are not always thinking about politics, you and I

1183
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 9: know Cristal, like they're thinking about let's say football. Could

1184
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 9: we hold Super Bowl watch parties together, convene people together

1185
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 9: as a place. Here's beer, and here's a nice place

1186
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 9: to hang out. Come and come and hang out with

1187
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 9: a Democratic Party to watch the super Bowl? Why not

1188
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 9: tell me I'd love to hear any example. Why why

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Speaker 9: can we not do these things? It's just a lack

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Speaker 9: of ambition. If you spend some money and say this

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Speaker 9: is what I care about. Because the Democratic Party in

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00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 9: this day and age, where there's loneliness, there's more isolation,

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00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 9: more people not talking to each other. That heart, the

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00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 9: beating heart of being a party is that there's people

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Speaker 9: you are associated with, the working man and woman. You

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Speaker 9: are caring about their lives, and you want to be

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Speaker 9: in league with them. You want to be talking to

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Speaker 9: them on a constant basis. You know this to me

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Speaker 9: just bothers me because it's become a kind of this

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Speaker 9: clubby you know, top down approach to the DNC that

1201
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Speaker 9: we talked about contracts and vendor contracts and you know

1202
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 9: who sits on what coming where like no, no, no, no,

1203
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 9: they're the people, Like especially this day and age where

1204
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 9: the r Silicon Swamp is about to come in and

1205
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 9: run the government, the biggest merger and acquisition in history.

1206
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 9: They're going to by by the government. So what are

1207
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 9: we doing in an age of great wealth and income

1208
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 9: inequality to say, hey, we stand with people to fight

1209
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Speaker 9: on their behalf.

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Speaker 5: What does the DNC primarily do? Now? How does it

1211
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Speaker 5: operate primarily?

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Speaker 7: Now?

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Speaker 2: For people who were I mean even I I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure I could fully answer that question.

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Speaker 9: I worked at the DNC building. So you say, DNC

1216
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 9: headquarters is my first political job actually as an opposition researcher.

1217
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 9: And so you have departments who do a variety of

1218
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 9: different things, communications, digital, party affairs, and so at the

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00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 9: headquarters you're kind of figuring out how to help, you know,

1220
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Speaker 9: build state parties, give them some direction, but mostly letting.

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Speaker 9: I would say, you know, opposition to Republicans and opposition

1222
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Speaker 9: to Trump. Right now, at this current moment guide the

1223
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 9: daily you know, here's here's a message that we have

1224
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Speaker 9: to send out and then stay parties are going to say, well,

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Speaker 9: we're mobilizing in Virginia for the upcoming elections. Can we

1226
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Speaker 9: send some money over there to get the state party

1227
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Speaker 9: some resources on the ground and build up some staff

1228
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Speaker 9: that all is fine and good, right, and so in

1229
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Speaker 9: that way, Ken Martin Ben Wickler, people who have been

1230
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Speaker 9: running the state committees of Minnesota and Wisconsin successfully are

1231
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 9: well positioned say hey, Boom, you know this is tactically

1232
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Speaker 9: what you need to do to move money around, move

1233
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Speaker 9: committee assignments, restructure. The problem in the challenge I see

1234
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 9: is like, well, Donald Trump is president United States? Who

1235
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:40,439
Speaker 9: speaks for Democrats right now? Honestly, like Biden leaving, there's

1236
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 9: no presumptive leader of a Democratic party. Youah Schumer and

1237
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 9: Jefferies over there, minority, and I think you've got to

1238
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 9: be more ambitious with the power. We don't have much power.

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00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 9: What are the places is the Democrat National Committee to

1240
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 9: the chairperson needs to be a bold public messenger. But

1241
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 9: what is the brand of this freaking party? What do

1242
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 9: we stand for? That historically has not been a major role.

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00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 9: There were moments. You remember Howard Dean when he ran

1244
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 9: it was kind of he's he had a bit of

1245
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 9: a stature of being a national spokesperson for a brand.

1246
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 9: But for the most part, you think of people most

1247
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 9: people don't even know who a Democrat National Committee chairperson

1248
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Speaker 9: or chairman is. I mean, you know, how many people

1249
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 9: know who Jamie Harrison is or you know Tim Kaine

1250
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 9: at one point was and Terry mccalliff.

1251
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Speaker 5: Back and then forgot to be honest with.

1252
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Speaker 9: You, Terry mccalliff back in the day.

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Speaker 2: You know, McCalls was kind of a larger than life figure,

1254
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Speaker 2: but maybe not necessarily a beneficial way.

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Speaker 9: Gregary is that he was always a Gregary as a.

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Speaker 5: Person, but large personality.

1257
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Speaker 9: There and a big fundraiser was well, that was his thing.

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Speaker 2: And that's why I say, maybe this was not necessarily

1259
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Speaker 2: advantageous to the Democratic Party brand. I mean, that is

1260
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Speaker 2: one of the things that has been important to me

1261
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Speaker 2: is that, listen, we can't change the whole landscape of

1262
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Speaker 2: money in politics without probably you know, a Supreme Court decision.

1263
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Speaker 2: But Democrats can run the way that they police their

1264
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Speaker 2: own primaries, their own intra party contest. So is one

1265
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Speaker 2: of the things that you would be looking at, getting

1266
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Speaker 2: big money super pac money out of that intra party

1267
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Speaker 2: democratic primary process, because right now the Democratic Party has

1268
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Speaker 2: no credibility to say that we're any different from the

1269
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Speaker 2: Republicans when it comes to the courting and the obsession

1270
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Speaker 2: with big money politics.

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Speaker 9: Well, that's an obvious that's a slam donka. The question

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Speaker 9: then is like to get money out of polics, how

1273
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 9: do you wield power? And you know, I've heard a

1274
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 9: lot of the canis and they say, well, you know,

1275
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 9: there's not much she can do as Democratic National Committee chair. Now, Like,

1276
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 9: it's true that legally, right we are in a different

1277
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Speaker 9: legal regime and people can spend money and you can't

1278
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 9: necessarily stop them. You could sanction, you know, state parties,

1279
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,959
Speaker 9: you could sanction use your bully pulpit, and I feel

1280
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,439
Speaker 9: like as a Democratic Party, we're not as comfortable using

1281
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 9: the bully pulpit, right Just like, get out there and

1282
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 9: make a stand and say something bold about your values.

1283
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 9: If you look at there's just a certain muscularity of saying, hey,

1284
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Speaker 9: that is wrong and maybe yeah, sure you could spend

1285
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 9: money as a super pac diving into this race. We

1286
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 9: as a state party as a Democrat National committee abhor

1287
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 9: and reject influence and make you by using the bully

1288
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 9: pulpit whatever scale you can't to uh attack outside spending.

1289
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Speaker 9: You're also elevating the issue in the race. Yeah, you know,

1290
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Speaker 9: and you have to make I think one of the

1291
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 9: challenges we often face is sometimes voters in these districts

1292
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 9: and elections may not always know of the great presence

1293
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Speaker 9: of big money in the elections. They see TV ads,

1294
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Speaker 9: they see APAC come in and spend whatever money, and

1295
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 9: you know Quary's or Jamal's race, and it's not always

1296
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 9: clear to the ton of voters you know who's doing this,

1297
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 9: why the crypto people spending money here and there? They

1298
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 9: might not always know. We could write like if you

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Speaker 9: spend some time using a national chairmanship in the brand

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Speaker 9: and say, hey, that what, here's what they're trying to do.

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Speaker 9: Here's what why it's wrong. Corporate purchase of this party

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Speaker 9: will not be allowed. It's not, it's not I'm not

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Speaker 9: going to tell you that you have the legal authority

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Speaker 9: to stop them, right right. But this is where Trump

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Speaker 9: to some degree has brought to the Republican Party successfully

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Speaker 9: is use your use your bully pulpit he gets in there.

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Speaker 9: I mean, if you look at the Middle East situation, right,

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Speaker 9: he says, all hell will break loose if this isn't

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Speaker 9: done by the first day in miamis And how many

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Speaker 9: times you get out you use his rhetoric to and

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Speaker 9: say with some conviction back by But people have to

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Speaker 9: kind of believe that it's it's consistent with your values

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Speaker 9: when you say this is wrong, this is upsetting. But

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Speaker 9: when for a democratic party, when we say things, sometimes

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Speaker 9: it's not always the case that it's backed by a conviction.

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Speaker 9: So if you say, oh, you know, dog, Trump is X,

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Speaker 9: Y and Z the worst, you know whatever, and then

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Speaker 9: you are going out there and want to be treating

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Speaker 9: him as if you know it's fine, then that that

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Speaker 9: conviction orientation say say what you mean and act like

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Speaker 9: you mean it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, seems simple, but apparently apparently this

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Speaker 2: is difficult to do. I did want to get your

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Speaker 2: take on some of the election post mortem. You know,

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Speaker 2: there was the infamous Podsave America interview with the top

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Speaker 2: Kamala Aids. Did you watch that who were basically like, Oh,

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Speaker 2: we did everything right, it was fine. We just couldn't

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Speaker 2: have possibly won and you know, we checked the boxes

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Speaker 2: and we ran the data, and this was the best

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Speaker 2: possible campaign we could run, and.

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Speaker 9: Then no one else could have won. Like basically that's

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Speaker 9: kind of the argument.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was it was impossible. So it's not our fault.

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Speaker 2: So zero self reflection there. You've also had you know,

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Speaker 2: you've had some there were My sense, and I'm curious

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Speaker 2: of your sense, is that there was an initial shock,

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 5: This guy's going back to the White House. This is

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Speaker 5: a disaster.

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Speaker 2: We are in the minority, both the House and the Senate.

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Speaker 2: Working class voters are fleeing us. So even though okay,

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Speaker 2: sure he only won the popular vote by a point

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Speaker 2: and a half or something like that.

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Speaker 5: If you're on this trajectory, this is a trajectory of death.

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Speaker 2: If this really realignment continues in this direction, you're talking

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Speaker 2: about permanent minority like small minority status, or just being

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Speaker 2: effectively subsumed into Trumpism, which is another direction that some

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Speaker 2: Democrats seem to be going in. And now I sort

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Speaker 2: of feel this life level of listlessness, Like I mean,

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's what you're kind of responding to,

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Speaker 2: jumping in this race of like, well, it wasn't that bad,

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Speaker 2: and we'll get them next time, and maybe our messaging

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Speaker 2: was a little bit off. We'll just tweak that and

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Speaker 2: we should be fine. And I find that sort of

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Speaker 2: I find it sort of insane not to mention obviously

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Speaker 2: incredibly frustrating, incredibly disturbing when we see the direction that

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Speaker 2: the Trump administration is going and we see this, you know,

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Speaker 2: obviously money and politics and nothing new, and it's a

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Speaker 2: bipartisan problem, but the level of consolidated oligarchy that we're

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Speaker 2: seeing under Trump and Elon Musk and these characters is

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Speaker 2: deeply disturbing. And I don't really see a Democratic Party

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Speaker 2: that is standing up to forcefully oppose that.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, just to add to what you're saying, I'm not

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Speaker 9: going to dispute that certain people would say correctly that

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Speaker 9: there's a chance we'd get back the House in two years.

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Speaker 9: It's possible, right, But why, Crystal, I'll be if we

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Speaker 9: flesh that out for people. It's because, to your point,

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Speaker 9: the voting base of the Democratic Party is changing, and

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Speaker 9: so if you get into a midterm election where fewer

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Speaker 9: people vote higher educated, more college degree circuit, we might win,

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Speaker 9: and we might get back the House and I think

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Speaker 9: in that situation, if you back this out into twenty

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Speaker 9: twenty two, right where you Democrats kind of maintained better

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Speaker 9: than they thought some degree of the seats and that election,

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Speaker 9: John Ferriman wins, and you know Joshapiro and Gretchen Whitmer,

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Speaker 9: and you know, we defeated Kerry Lake in Arizona. There

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Speaker 9: were some successes, right right, Well, but I'm just saying

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Speaker 9: that the outcome demographs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Democrats.

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Speaker 9: That's the point. So then you go into twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 9: where tons more people vote and with the Democratic brand

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Speaker 9: is losing steam and interaction with working class people. To

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Speaker 9: your point, could we get through the next two years

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Speaker 9: and find that we might get back the House to

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Speaker 9: probably maybe not the Senate, and then think, oh, well,

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Speaker 9: we're on a track to win back the presidency, only

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Speaker 9: to find that in twenty twenty eight jd Events or

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Speaker 9: whomever's on the ticket, and we lose even further because

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Speaker 9: we aren't having been challenged or learning the lessons of

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Speaker 9: where is our weakness? Where is the brand of the

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Speaker 9: Democratic Party hurting? And I mean, just that's a political analysis,

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Speaker 9: but you know what bothers me and I know bothers.

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Speaker 9: You is just a values orientation, like your party, like

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Speaker 9: your ft heart. What is it that defines you? It

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Speaker 9: is a fight for the common man woman. It has

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Speaker 9: always been the lineage. So it's fine, we can have

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Speaker 9: this local conversation, but it's supposed to be tied to values,

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Speaker 9: because when you come into office, you have a mandate

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Speaker 9: of saying, I'm going to do something in this Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I think that that is the goal in the mission

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Speaker 9: of saying, create a working class coalition so that they

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Speaker 9: compel us in the right direction for the policy changes

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Speaker 9: that we need.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really care about the Democrats winning back

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Speaker 2: the House or winning back the presidency if they're not

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Speaker 2: going to do anything beneficial for working class people with

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Speaker 2: that power. Ultimately, the last thing I wanted to get

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Speaker 2: your thoughts on, Faz, because I've sort of complicated feelings

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Speaker 2: about it, is what have you made made of all

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Speaker 2: of the you know, James Carvill and David from some

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Speaker 2: of these characters.

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Speaker 5: Now that Bernie.

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Speaker 2: Sanders is never going to run for president again, Like

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Speaker 2: you know that Bernie Sanders guy, Well, he wasn't so bad.

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Speaker 2: He he kind of had a point.

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Speaker 9: I would be lying to you if part of that

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Speaker 9: isn't what's driving me here, right, That's what I see

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Speaker 9: people saying and becoming more aware that, oh Bernie when

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Speaker 9: he ran in twenty fifteen, twenty sixty, maybe he was

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Speaker 9: onto something. Maybe we do need a grassroots party. Maybe

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Speaker 9: the oligarchs have too much power in American society. Maybe

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Speaker 9: we do need to talk about Manicare for all. Maybe

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Speaker 9: we do need to address a corporate corruption of our

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Speaker 9: campaign finance system. All of those things. Now, well, we're

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Speaker 9: coming around and you even watch on MSNBC in other places,

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Speaker 9: people like, we're railing against the oligarchs.

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Speaker 2: And right, okay, well Joe Biden reallys holigarchs now.

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Speaker 9: And you're like, Okay, Rhetorically I appreciate it, I do.

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Speaker 9: I mean, the job of politics is persuasion. So we're

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Speaker 9: moving towards more awareness and understanding. And part of that, Crystal,

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Speaker 9: as you know, well, as we live in a society

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Speaker 9: a great income and wealth inequality, we're seeing the downstream

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Speaker 9: effects of it. When you're seeing the Great Musk and

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Speaker 9: David Sachs and a bunch of billion taking over the government,

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Speaker 9: we should rightly as the Democratic Party, be concerned and

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Speaker 9: express anger at what the hell is going on with

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Speaker 9: the purchase of our government, the looting and the great heist.

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Speaker 9: But the question at this point isn't just rhetorically. Can

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Speaker 9: you see the problem and understand the problem? Great? What

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Speaker 9: do you want to do of that wield some authority

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Speaker 9: and power? Tell me that you're thinking about the construction

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Speaker 9: of this party differently than you ever had before. Convince me,

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Speaker 9: because I don't think you can crubt me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 9: I think most working class people have checked out, don't

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Speaker 9: believe in government, don't have faith in institutions. And I

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Speaker 9: would argue to those people if they're watching at the

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Speaker 9: end of the day, and I believe it's about unions,

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Speaker 9: I believe it's about a lot of institutions. This is

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Speaker 9: a representative democracy in a world of great wealth and inequality.

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Speaker 9: The way you challenge it is with some solidarity, where

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Speaker 9: you have people who lead people like you need someone

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Speaker 9: to lead institutions with authority, with power to do something

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Speaker 9: on behalf of all of us and the people at

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Speaker 9: the top. You know, we have to pick them who

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Speaker 9: have a gumption and a desire conviction to fight. But

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Speaker 9: there I understand people are getting concerned that the institutions

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Speaker 9: are fading and that, but I'm trusting them.

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Speaker 1: And as that.

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Speaker 9: Devolution occurs, right, power gets to spread out. You know

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Speaker 9: who wins billionaires because they can purchase into a devolution. Right,

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Speaker 9: They're like, okay, you don't have a party anymore. Well,

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Speaker 9: I got the super pack that I run, So your

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Speaker 9: party is weak. I can go run my own thing

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Speaker 9: with money. That's what happened to the And so I

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Speaker 9: would urge people, you know, you're trying to take on

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Speaker 9: power in a world of great wealth and inequality to

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Speaker 9: care about institutions, find people to run them with conviction

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Speaker 9: unions and Democratic national committees, you name them across the board. Obviously,

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Speaker 9: that's one of the reasons I started More Perfect Union.

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Speaker 9: You've got to have an institution that's that's starting to

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Speaker 9: build power for working people in order to take this on.

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Speaker 2: All right, I let I do have one last question,

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Speaker 2: which is you got a shot in this thing? Because

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Speaker 2: you're getting in a little late. I know it's an

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Speaker 2: insider game. You know, as much as our audience or

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Speaker 2: others out there may want you to be, they don't

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Speaker 2: get a vote.

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Speaker 5: So what does what does this look like? What does

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Speaker 5: the past to victory.

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Speaker 9: Well, what I'm promising is I'm going to hustle and

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Speaker 9: do the things that you have to do internally. I mean,

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Speaker 9: when we leave this at I'm gonna I'm continuing to

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Speaker 9: call members and say give me a chance. I know

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Speaker 9: that some of them. I still think at this moment,

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Speaker 9: the plurality is undecided, uncommitted. You know, my sense is

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Speaker 9: Ken Martin is somebody who's been kind of involved running

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Speaker 9: this is probably a bit in the lead at the moment.

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Speaker 9: But I don't think everyone's made up their minds. And

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Speaker 9: I'll say right, because we haven't forced the question, So

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Speaker 9: I'll just just I'm not asking you to endorse. I'm

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Speaker 9: just asking you not to endorse. Right, Like, just let

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Speaker 9: let's play this out. Let me make a case. I

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Speaker 9: got two weeks here, just time left on the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 9: I don't believe on kneeling it down. Let's try to run.

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Speaker 9: Let's try to run this through, get to the vote

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Speaker 9: on February first, and make a judgment about what direction

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Speaker 9: of the Democratic Party can go and who can best

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Speaker 9: do it with some conviction and orientation and change what

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Speaker 9: change the way we operate.

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Speaker 2: Well, I really appreciate you being out there making the

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Speaker 2: case and we, as I told you, really appreciated value

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Speaker 2: the work that you're doing.

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Speaker 5: I'm more perfect unit.

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Speaker 2: I think it has filled an incredibly important role in

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Speaker 2: the sort of journalists and cultural landscape.

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Speaker 5: So FAZ always great to see you.

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Speaker 9: I compliment from you, Christal, You've been doing it well

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Speaker 9: for a long period of time. So thank you, thanks.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for watching. We appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: We will see you on Monday for our inaugural coverage

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Speaker 3: and so we'll see then.