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Speaker 1: This is rad and I'm here at Shot Show twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six and we're on media Row and today I

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Speaker 1: have a very cool guest and a bucket list for me,

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Speaker 1: so thank you for being here. It's a US Assistant

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Speaker 1: Attorney General for Civil Rights.

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Speaker 3: Harmi Dillion. Welcome to Welcome to my show. Well, thanks

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Speaker 3: for having me.

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Speaker 1: It right, we've been corresponding with Charlotte who's been really

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Speaker 1: putting out the emails to us and.

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Speaker 3: Making this all happen. So shout out to Charlotte for

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Speaker 3: doing that. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Okay, civil rights, you know, powerful female in a position

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Speaker 3: That for you. Thank you, thank you. It's an honor. Yes, And.

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Speaker 1: You know there's a lot of two A stuff going

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Speaker 1: Department of Justice wants the Americans to have the right

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Speaker 1: to bear their arms. The Constitution says, you know, to

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Speaker 1: moving the two a needle for more, like maybe less

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So I I am in charge of certain aspects

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Speaker 4: Now, there's somethings you can accomplish with litigation and there's

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Speaker 1: These are all appropriate when the American flag just represent

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Speaker 3: That is so part of it.

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Speaker 3: So would the lass for someone who.

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Speaker 1: Since it's there, So it's like a two A. And

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Speaker 3: I breathe there. It's like I've heard that may that argument.

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Speaker 4: You know, the Supreme Court hasn't gone so far as

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Speaker 4: For example, the Supreme Court has held so far that

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Speaker 3: Have you know, at home in my backyard.

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Speaker 4: You know, a canon is not considered to be a

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Speaker 1: That well about that person out that that says I

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Speaker 4: Saying is they haven't gone that far right. So that

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Speaker 3: I see that point. You're right, you know, I just

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Speaker 4: Or disagree with it. That's where the law is now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Utah, I get it that day. Smit its background.

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Speaker 3: You should understand how that operates and use.

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Speaker 4: And have Yeah, and the reasonable gun ownership is important

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Speaker 1: I just had the president of Project Childsafe dot org

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Speaker 1: And also here on the floor, as you get ready

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Speaker 1: company called like biofire who has biometrics so that you

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Speaker 1: But if we struggled over it in a conflict, I

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Speaker 1: do you ever do anything with your braids or your beard?

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Speaker 1: And I said, well, I braid it, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: I said, I have to.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna interview the assistant attorney genteral for the US.

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Speaker 1: He's like really, And I was like, yeah, what would

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Speaker 1: you ask them? Really random? What would you ask? And

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Speaker 1: he's like rad And I was like yeah, And he's

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Speaker 1: like thinking about it, and I'm like, roll, He's gonna

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Speaker 1: give me an answer. He's like, how far do the

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Speaker 1: pardoning powers go for a person that's the president to

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Speaker 1: be able to pardon somebody? And he kind of said, like,

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Speaker 1: if I commit a crime and I get pardoned, and

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Speaker 1: then I commit that same crime, can I get repardoned

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Speaker 1: again and again? And does that? Do you have any

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Speaker 1: understanding of that? For on the chair lift? It's up, bro,

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Speaker 1: I did it.

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Speaker 4: Okay. So, first of all, the president's part in power

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Speaker 4: extends only to federal crimes. He cannot pardon people for

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Speaker 4: state crimes. So that's number one. Number two, Yes, the

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Speaker 4: president could pardon you for committing the same offense again

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Speaker 4: and again, but don't count on it.

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Speaker 3: No. But but but it could, right, So it does.

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Speaker 3: So it has an absolute Yeah, it's.

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Speaker 4: An absolute power.

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Speaker 3: Wow, But it probably won't, right.

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Speaker 4: Because if you're going to be giving the finger to

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Speaker 4: the law again and again, it's probably not a wise move.

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Speaker 1: Like, keep making this move. I'm like, I got you,

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Speaker 1: keep making this move. I got you.

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Speaker 3: It's like I would, I would, I would, I would

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Speaker 3: not risk that. I like to hear that from you. Okay,

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Speaker 3: thank you for that you know what, so Eric, I

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Speaker 3: did it.

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Speaker 1: I hope you appreciate, you know, like the street question

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Speaker 1: that came to me. I hope you've had a nice

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Speaker 1: time having this interview with you. Thank you for having

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Speaker 1: me and you're a pleasure. And thanks to my soft

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Speaker 1: Rep viewer out there. And if you want to say something,

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Speaker 1: calm it down below. That's how it works. And thanks

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Speaker 1: to your team and Charlotte for hooking this up.

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Speaker 3: It's been an.

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Speaker 1: Honor to work with, right, very pleasure, all right, nice

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Speaker 1: to be all right, pleasure to be to you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well this is Rad Gulm coming from

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six shot show Peace.

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