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Speaker 1: in the windy city of Chicago. How are we doing that, PAULI, oh,

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Speaker 1: good to see you again. Ross. It was a very

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Speaker 1: weird kind of weekend. Yeah, every time there's a bye week,

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Speaker 1: A lot of people are of the attitude and most

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Speaker 1: To erase the taste. You know you want to do

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Speaker 1: that right away. I just felt six game losing streak.

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Speaker 1: Guys are hurt, guys are battered and bruised, and I

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Speaker 1: it's not like they're off for two weeks or three weeks.

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Speaker 1: was certainly a good sign. He themed optimistic. So um,

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Speaker 1: like I said, and now it's cleaning up the mistakes,

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Speaker 1: forward for these remaining six games. Well, let's go through

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Speaker 1: yesterday's injury report, because I don't think that had been

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Speaker 1: yesterday afternoon. Remember there's no practice on Tuesday, Okay, so

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Speaker 1: that's today. When the Giants get to the practice field tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be looking at these guys to figure out

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Speaker 1: That's still but listen, he's a weapon. Giants can use

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Speaker 1: with Mike. Hello, Mike, you're on with Russ and PAULI sure,

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Speaker 1: Giants app. Else we have some tweets. We have just

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Speaker 1: a Giants fan podcast. That's his Twitter name. Says, if

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Speaker 1: the Giants ever play in Mexico City like the Chargers

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Speaker 1: did last night, right, they played the Chiefs last night,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be upset if the helmet said gigante's in

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Speaker 1: the old school style. Okay, hey, it's an interesting opinion

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Speaker 1: and a kind of opinion you have there a bye

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Speaker 1: week because there's not much else to say. I'll let

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Speaker 1: you make the trip to Mexico. I know I'll be

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Speaker 1: on the sideline. It'll play in Tijuana. Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 1: Alex Wilson asks about Sterling Shepard, asking what is the

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Speaker 1: point of him playing again this season as he's come

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Speaker 1: back from two concussion protocols. Look again, the league will

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Speaker 1: determine when he's capable. I think, folks, I think that's

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Speaker 1: something that just people don't understand. It's it's not Giants protocol,

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Speaker 1: it's league protocol. It's concussion protocol. Now, I don't think

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Speaker 1: we've gone over this time and time again. I don't

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Speaker 1: think first of all, Shepherd is a tough kid. He

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Speaker 1: wants to be out there, but he he's also not stupid.

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Speaker 1: He's a young man with the family. He's married, he's

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Speaker 1: got a young daughter. Uh, that's more important than than

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Speaker 1: than football. Uh. He doesn't want to jeopardize that, nor himself,

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Speaker 1: but he wants to be out there. I don't think

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Speaker 1: he would jeopardize himself if he sat down with a

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Speaker 1: doctor or he's not feeling good. I mean, listen to

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Speaker 1: his credit, he was happy as a pig in slop

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Speaker 1: the day before, you know, when we told him he

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Speaker 1: was going out to play, and then he showed up

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Speaker 1: on the what was it the Saturday? Something wasn't right

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Speaker 1: and that was that so like to me, you know,

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Speaker 1: he was thrilled to play. You just don't know how

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Speaker 1: it's gonna affect him the next day. And the coach

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Speaker 1: and Ronnie Barnes is not gonna put anybody out there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's always David Dillon myself, we're talking about it. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Ronnie is always gonna err on the side of caution.

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Speaker 1: He will not put anybody, not even error. He just

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Speaker 1: will just be careful. So I don't I don't think um,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's if he can play, and he's

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Speaker 1: deemed healthy to play, that means he's healthy to play.

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Speaker 1: And if you're saying, well, what's the purpose the purpose

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Speaker 1: of this six games left in the season. He's a

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Speaker 1: professional football player, that's what he does for a living. A. J.

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Speaker 1: Marshall's says, no disrespect to Jack Rabbit, but he shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be playing for the remaining six games of the season

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Speaker 1: because he wants to seal Sam Bill get some snaps

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Speaker 1: in his place. Now, Sam was activated for the last

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Speaker 1: game and did wind up playing a healthy amount of

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Speaker 1: snaps that it was almost a dozen when Jack Rabbit

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Speaker 1: went out because of the concussion protocol and and coach

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Speaker 1: himself said he thought Bill did a pretty good job

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Speaker 1: with those snaps. Look, there is no question that the

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Speaker 1: Giants would like Sam Bill to be part of their future.

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Speaker 1: Whether or not, you know, he gets a bunch more

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Speaker 1: snaps over the final month and a half remains to

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Speaker 1: be seen. But I think you can rest assured that

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Speaker 1: Sam Bill is going to be on this team in

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Speaker 1: two thousand twenty. Yeah, I agree with you. But at

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Speaker 1: the same point, what's the fellow's name who? Just A J. Marshall,

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Speaker 1: I think a j You know, it's a fair point. Listen,

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Speaker 1: if we want to know and we want Bill to

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Speaker 1: be part of the future, and if the coach wants

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Speaker 1: him to be part of the future, then you're gonna

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Speaker 1: want to see him get more snaps. But I don't

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Speaker 1: think that means completely forgetting about Jack Rabbit. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it just means getting bailed back in there. Well, again,

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Speaker 1: let's understand, it's the Concussion Protocol, which means the league

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Speaker 1: controls when Jack Rabbit is clear to play. Period. Let's

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Speaker 1: just make that very clear. This is not a Giant's

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Speaker 1: coaching decision. You know, Paul, I never I never asked

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Speaker 1: this question. Maybe maybe you know when we say it

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Speaker 1: is giants, it is concussion protocol, League mandated, which doctors

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Speaker 1: make the final decision on that. There are independent concussion specialists.

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Speaker 1: It's independent, correct, and they go through an evaluation process

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Speaker 1: and and I'm not going to go through the specifics

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Speaker 1: because it's never been explained to me in complete detail,

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Speaker 1: but I do know there are several steps that you

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Speaker 1: must clear as you go through the concussion Protocol, and

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Speaker 1: you must clear all of the steps before the league

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Speaker 1: says you can go back on the field and playing

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Speaker 1: the game. You know, folks, believe me when I'm out

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Speaker 1: there seeing the guys every day out there running around

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Speaker 1: with the helmet on, and the show that pends on

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Speaker 1: whether they have the yellow jersey on or not. I'm saying, well,

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Speaker 1: crying out loud, you think they can go, But they

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Speaker 1: can go. That's not the final step. But going in

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Speaker 1: practice and not being hit and going in a game

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Speaker 1: and getting hit is a far different situation, especially at

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Speaker 1: high speed. Yeah, a far, far different situation. And when

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Speaker 1: it's not your teammates that you're running around with, when

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Speaker 1: it's the opponent trying to win a game on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: so the situation really becomes, you know, quite a bit

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Speaker 1: different to zero. One five, one three is the number, folks.

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Speaker 1: Phone lines are open, so feel free to give us

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Speaker 1: a call anymore. We actually no more tweets right at

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Speaker 1: the moment, so folks, if you want to get us

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Speaker 1: on Twitter or get us you know it's hashtag Giants

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Speaker 1: chat on Twitter, or again, as you gave the number

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Speaker 1: out already, RUSS people, give us a call. I did

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Speaker 1: want to mention that the Giants are in Chicago on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: and if you got a chance to look at the Bears.

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Speaker 1: You the day they lost to the Rams seven. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Traubinski is having a really difficult time this year. In fact,

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Speaker 1: one of the the items that I saw is that

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Speaker 1: his quarterback rating, which I don't pay a lot of

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Speaker 1: attention to, but has dropped more significantly than any other

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Speaker 1: quarterback in the league since last year. And now he's

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Speaker 1: got himself an injured hip, and so it looks like

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Speaker 1: Chase Daniel is going to be the quarterback against the

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Speaker 1: Giants for the second year in a row. They beat

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Speaker 1: Chase Daniel in the Bears last season if you remember,

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Speaker 1: so you know, maybe some day ja vu all over again,

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Speaker 1: who knows. But this is a Bears team that, you know,

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Speaker 1: at four and five still in the playoff mix. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's not kid ourselves. They there four and five at

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Speaker 1: the moment, but they're still in the mix. Um four

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Speaker 1: and six. I'm sorry, four and six. Miscalculated the number,

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Speaker 1: But there's still They're still in the mix. Not out

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Speaker 1: of it for sure. So you know, they're gonna be

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Speaker 1: playing for everything that they've got and this defense which

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Speaker 1: is very solid, okay, and they can get after the quarterback. Uh,

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Speaker 1: They're going to give the Giants fits on Sunday and

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Speaker 1: give them all they can handle. Now, offensively, they are

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Speaker 1: certainly challenged, Let's not make any mistake about that. So

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Speaker 1: you know, the Giants have to go into with the

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Speaker 1: mindset I think that this is probably going to be

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Speaker 1: a low scoring game and you're not going to be

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Speaker 1: able to survive the kinds of mistakes that the Giants

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Speaker 1: have made in the last month and a half of

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Speaker 1: the season. If you're going to win it, well, I listen, uh,

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Speaker 1: survival with those mistakes. You know, we can talk about

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Speaker 1: this game plan and that scheme and this and that.

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Speaker 1: The bottom line is, when you get down to it,

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Speaker 1: mm hmm, it's still football, and it's what's the cardinal

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Speaker 1: rule in football, protecting the football. And that's something that

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Speaker 1: has been a problem, the biggest problem. A couple of

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Speaker 1: lines still open by the way, two go ahead, right,

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Speaker 1: There's been the turnovers, and you know, you can have

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Speaker 1: your game plans all you want, but your game plans

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Speaker 1: go right out the window if you've given the ball.

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to I mean, it sounds basic, folks,

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Speaker 1: but that's basically what it is. It's protecting the football.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think, well, I think sometimes there's

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Speaker 1: a slippery slope, uh, you know, for for coaches and players,

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Speaker 1: because you can lose the football. Again, I'm not making excuses,

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Speaker 1: but you can lose the football for being aggressive, for

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Speaker 1: trying to go, get go and get the job done.

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Speaker 1: You can also lose the football for just being careless.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case at all with Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 1: with you know, nine lost fumbles and and and eight interceptions.

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Speaker 1: I think he's always trying to make a play. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's a matter of you know, being lack

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Speaker 1: lack a daisical or anything like that. I just think,

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Speaker 1: you know, you've got to be more prudent in your

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Speaker 1: decision making. And you know, as far as protecting the football. Listen,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't with you last week. I was discussing it

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Speaker 1: with David Deal. We remember a pretty good running back

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Speaker 1: by the name of Tiki Barbera had a miserable problem.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned that to me, you know, but a not

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Speaker 1: a small problem, a big problem protecting the football, A

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Speaker 1: big problem protecting the football, and it got corrected, you know, So, um,

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Speaker 1: do I need to tell you just in the last

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Speaker 1: thirty years Sims had trouble holding onto the ball when

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Speaker 1: he was younger as a quarterback. He used to get

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Speaker 1: hit and put it on the ground a number of times.

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Speaker 1: Carrie Collins had horrible fumble itis until the Giants wound

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Speaker 1: up fixing that, and then he took him to a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. You know, I forgot you had bad fumble

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Speaker 1: itis the one year that he was here. I forgot

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Speaker 1: about Carrie Collins. You're right about that. He had some

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Speaker 1: significant fumble itis all of a sudden popped up out

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Speaker 1: of nowhere. That one year. He just started putting the

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Speaker 1: ball on the ground almost every time he was head

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Speaker 1: It seemed like almost like a slump with with the kicker,

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Speaker 1: and they fixed it. So you know, this is not

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Speaker 1: something that that I think is going to be a

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Speaker 1: habitual problem for Daniel Jones. I think it's just a

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Speaker 1: set of circumstances. And by the way, eleven of his

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Speaker 1: thirteen fumbles this year have come in the pocket. Two

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Speaker 1: of them have come on the run, one in each

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Speaker 1: game against the Dallas Cowboys. Okay, that's a different set

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Speaker 1: of circumstances. The ones in the pocket, there have been

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Speaker 1: eleven of them. Okay, four of them were blindside strip

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Speaker 1: sacks as he was cocking to throw the ball. That's circumstances.

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Speaker 1: Another one was because he threw a lateral behind the

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, an overhand lateral to Barkley, which goes

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Speaker 1: as a fumble on his record, But that's not really

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Speaker 1: a fumble. Now, and listen, when you're cole cocked, you

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Speaker 1: know from just you know. Then there was another fumble

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Speaker 1: that he had where he got drilled in the smaller

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Speaker 1: the back just as he was about to bring the

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Speaker 1: ball up and cock it. He got crunched like a

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Speaker 1: Matt truck from the blindside, practically split him in half,

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Speaker 1: and the ball came free. I can't blame him for

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Speaker 1: that one either. So of his thirteen fumbles, I have him,

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Speaker 1: I have him responsible, okay for six in the pocket

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Speaker 1: and two while he was on the run. And he

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Speaker 1: was a runner, not a quarterback, all right. Two zero, one,

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Speaker 1: five one three is the number. Paully going already going

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Speaker 1: to Portland. May you know what that means? Portland? May child? Chill, Charlie, Hello, Charlie,

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Speaker 1: what's going on? What do you got hey, Paul? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that year that Kurt Warner was with us, he had

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Speaker 1: a bad thumb. He had some real issues with his

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Speaker 1: thumb and he couldn't hold onto the ball. After that year,

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Speaker 1: when his time not better, that's when he really started

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Speaker 1: playing the way he played to the super Bowl. That's correct,

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Speaker 1: that was the reason for them. Well, although, to be

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Speaker 1: honest with you, if you remember Kurt that year when yeah,

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Speaker 1: he had come off a thumb injury with the Rams,

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Speaker 1: and we all attributed it to the injury, Kurt always

637
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: said that was not the case, just to be fair. Now,

638
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: whether or not you want to believe him is another story,

639
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: but he had always said to us that the thumb

640
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 1: injury was not a cause of those fumbles. Um. But whatever,

641
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: you know what, child, he's got a good memory because

642
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. But when when he brought it up,

643
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: I do remember the thumb and in fairness, again, that

644
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: was Kurt Warner. God was Kurt want to also say,

645
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: and you know, not making exclusive, but that could very

646
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: well you might very well be right on Actually my

647
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: timeline is wrong. But remember the year after the Super Bowl,

648
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: Carrie Collins and I have it up right here. In

649
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 1: two thousand, two thousand one, lad the NFL with twenty

650
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: three bumbles free for Carrie Collins in two thousand and one.

651
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: The next year he started all sixteen games again and

652
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: only had eight from twenty three it went down to eight.

653
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: Now understand, all right, the Giants pass protection at that

654
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: particular time better. Well, it went from thirty five sacks

655
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: to twenty four sacks, so the pass pro was better.

656
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: But he significantly solved his fumble itis. But but that

657
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: number that you just mentioned on the sacks is significant,

658
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, it certainly really understood? Yeah, what else understood?

659
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: What else you got? Charlie Hey, I was just gonna say, um,

660
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: you know, Russ, you was saying that. You know, the

661
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: bye week is not a lot of time. But Atlanta

662
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: Falcons did pretty well during that by week. They changed

663
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of coaches around, they changed some players, and

664
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: they won three in a row, and actually they smoked

665
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: the teams three in a row. So some some things

666
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: can happen and some things can change if you have

667
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: the will to do it. Under still, okay, you know,

668
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: And then one last thing, it's just about Shepherd. I

669
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: don't know a lot about concussions, but I do know

670
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: if they come on one and two right after each other,

671
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: it is a lot easier to get another one and

672
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: it's more severe. So to me, if Sheppid goes out

673
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: there and gets another one, that could be his career.

674
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,439
Speaker 1: Why not let him sit out the rest of the year,

675
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:28,439
Speaker 1: give him a whole year of like no contact, being

676
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 1: away from most concussions, and let him come back fresh

677
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 1: and because if he has one more this season, that's it. Well, Charlie, Charlie,

678
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: I want, I want to argue with that. I mean,

679
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: that's just a common sense approach. But I don't know.

680
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: And again, you know, I don't know that that's not

681
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: the thinking with the Giants. I just you know, it's

682
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: a situation. I'll tell you what. Let's say he was rested.

683
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 1: Let's just say, and I'm just throwing this out there hypothetically.

684
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: Let's let's say he was rested and set out the

685
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: remainder of a year, goes to camp next year, and

686
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: right away the first day of camp, suffers a concussion,

687
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: and and it's here we go again. But I agree with,

688
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: I understand with what you're saying, and I to a point,

689
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: I do agree with it, because, first of all, I

690
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: think the scariness already has happened, that he's had two

691
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: concussions in a row, and I think that's the reason

692
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: where he's not feeling so good or when when he

693
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: listen he went through he had the two concussions in

694
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: a row, he went through the protocol. He he was

695
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: feeling great. I mean seeing him in the locker room

696
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: when he was declared ready to go, he was happy

697
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: as a lark. I mean he was like a little

698
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: kid getting ready for a high school playoff game. Next game. Now,

699
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: I'll tell you somebody else said this to me. And

700
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor, Charlie Paul. I'm not a doctor.

701
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: Nobody's calling me Dr Salzburg, Dr Russ. But it didn't

702
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 1: make sense. I think people are calling you a doctor.

703
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: Every everybody's mate, everybody's makeup, chemical balanced makeup, could be

704
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: a little difference in certain certain be it a concussion

705
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: or what have you. Certain things affect people in a

706
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 1: different way. You know. I don't know if it's like, say,

707
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: his chemical makeup or what. But yeah, it does make sense, Charlie.

708
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 1: So I want you know, I wouldn't rule that out.

709
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm not a doctor. And the league

710
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: takes care of it. And I think, as I said before,

711
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: Sheep is well aware of what's at stake, He's well

712
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 1: aware of his future, he's well aware of his family,

713
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: and I think that's his priority. If there's one thing

714
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: about this, Charlie, we gotta let you go because we

715
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: have other calls coming in. If there's one thing we

716
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: can say about this, Ross and Sterling Shepherd made this

717
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: clear to us after the first concussion, and that is

718
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: he is so much more aware of his body and

719
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: so much more informed about what the concussion symptoms are

720
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: and what's involved, that he is much more acute in

721
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: his awareness of what's going on with him. So you

722
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: know that when he told them, uh, just a couple

723
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: of weeks ago that hey, you know what, I'm not

724
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: feeling right, that was actually to his benefit them. And

725
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: I don't think for a second, and in fact, I

726
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: would say this, you know, I'm my thinking and speaking

727
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: for a Sterling Shepherd, but being a young man, I

728
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 1: think when you have a wife and a child or children,

729
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you start thinking a little

730
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: differently about your responsibilities than if you're you're just a

731
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: single guy. Well maybe I can go out there. All

732
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I'm looking at it's not just about me,

733
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 1: it's about other people as well. Again that that speculation,

734
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: but I will say this untill I'm blew in the

735
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: face Ronnie Barnes, who's the trainer, and nobody is more

736
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: cautious than Ronnie. I mean, we've seen guys go to

737
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: other teams that will deem not acceptable here and Jim

738
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: Birt did that mean there wasn't? It wasn'sion. Jim had

739
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: had back issues, but the point being that was Ronnie

740
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: and Ronnie's estimation, No, it wasn't. You didn't want to

741
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: discard the guy. Giants are probably the most safety ribbon

742
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: conservative medical staff emilite, really and and that's not because

743
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: we're sitting here. I if they're not the most, certainly

744
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: I like to know who is. Let's put it that way,

745
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: all right, Two zero one three is the number. Let's

746
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 1: go to Jackson New jay Z and check in with Jason. Hello, Jason,

747
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: you're on with Russ and PAULI, Hey, guys, what's it going? Hi? So,

748
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: So I just want to I want to be the

749
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: first one to go on record because I don't know

750
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: if anybody did. But in my opinion, and don't get

751
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: me wrong, I'm not an expert like you guys. In

752
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: my opinion, Becher's it's not that he's a bad coach.

753
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: He's I think that we don't have a bad player

754
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: on the defense. I think that the guys are good guys.

755
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: They're good players. I think I think he's confusing them.

756
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is, in the beginning

757
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: of the season, it was it was pressed, and then

758
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 1: and then mid through games he was going zone the linebackers.

759
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: They look like they don't know what's going on. And

760
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: we're talking about veterans to rookies. I just happened to

761
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: think that, you know, it's like you take, for example,

762
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 1: my profession. I'm a supervisor. I got fifteen guys working

763
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: for me. If if these guys are failing at what

764
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: they're doing, I gotta put them where they're not failing.

765
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: And now it's a little different. Obviously it's different. But well,

766
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm saying is is he's not utilizing

767
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 1: his men properly. I'm telling you it's a coaching problem.

768
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: It's not a man problem problem. It is a hundred

769
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: percent um and then and then the flip side going on,

770
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: going on onto the you know, the offense you know,

771
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: I think and again it's such as me saying it.

772
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: It's a couple of people saying it. Is Mike Francesca saying,

773
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: a couple of good, big experts. He's he's too much

774
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: of a players guy. He's gotta he's gotta staple these

775
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: guys down, hold them accountable for their mistakes. And uh,

776
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: I don't think he's doing that. I think he's too soft.

777
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: And I think that's you is just a soft I

778
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: just I think it's a coaching problem. I don't have

779
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: a problem with them, gentleman, I am a little nervous

780
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 1: with this free cap money that's gonna be spent this year.

781
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say about that one. But

782
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,919
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. I think that the time

783
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: that the team has got a lot of talent, I

784
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 1: think they're they're really good guys. They're just confused. Well, Jason,

785
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for the call. Jason. Uh, listen,

786
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: Uh if you want to talk about some coaching moves,

787
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: IM not going to dispute that. But uh, are there

788
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: some good players on the defense yet there's also some

789
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 1: very young players, which is part of the situation. It's

790
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: learning Uh. Bye bye, fire. I'm gonna make this real

791
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 1: simple for your Russ. When you're two and eight. That

792
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 1: means there were a whole lot of things they haven't

793
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: gone right. It's top to about fair enough that that's

794
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: that's basically the best way to put it. You know,

795
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: I don't think it's just a matter of everybody being

796
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: in the right place. A couple more quick tweets I

797
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: want to get to because they're pretty good. Clayton Harding says,

798
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: for those people like me who complained about Daniel Jones,

799
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: he's talking about himself, not me, but about him. At

800
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: number six, He says, I calmed myself by noticing that

801
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: if the Giants had drafted the same three players in

802
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: the exact reverse order in round one, no one would

803
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: have complained. That would have been Baker, Lawrence, and Jones.

804
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: That was the three first round hall that the Giants got.

805
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: He says, in hindsight, they're playing up to the order

806
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: that we took them in. Jones was first, Lawrence was second,

807
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: Baker was third. The next. Very good point. That's a

808
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: very rational point. Nice opinion, did that, Clayton Harding. Clayton,

809
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: that's a that's a really good point. It's very rational. Yeah,

810
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: very very good. Peter Faron says, why does Aldric Rossaus

811
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: line up for extra points on the left hash mark

812
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: instead of in the center of the field. Wants to

813
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: know if we talk to him about those misses. And

814
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: I can honestly tell you that I have not had

815
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: that particular conversation, but I'll check on it. But nobody

816
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: was asking that question when he was making them all

817
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: last year. No, Although I will tell you what, and

818
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be really honest with you, folks, And this

819
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: may surprise you because I want so much tape. I

820
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: don't remember if he did it last year or not.

821
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: I honestly don't, but I'll go back and I'll look. Yeah,

822
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: I would be surprised. I don't remember that. I don't

823
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: remember him doing that, and I'm not even sure how

824
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: many times he's done it this year. But Peter, I'll

825
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: tell you what. I promise you. I will go back

826
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: and look at the tape and I will talk to

827
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: Aldric about this, and if I can come up with

828
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: an answer for you, I will. I just think with

829
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: field goal kickers, it's like batters in baseball. You get

830
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: in a slump and it gets in your head, and

831
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: it's hard to get doubt. And I do think he's pressing,

832
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: and I really do it without the same guy was

833
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: the same guy from last challenge. There do you miss

834
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: one and all of a sudden, I'm believe me. I

835
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 1: am there every Sunday, well when they're home, I'm there

836
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: every Sunday watching and I specifically always want to watch

837
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: the kick kicking at one end and then the other end.

838
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: And I'm watching his strong leg and I'm watching to

839
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: make you know the kicks from beyond the fifty and

840
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: I'm saying, okay, giants, don't have to worry today, and

841
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: then bingo, then you worry right away. It just it

842
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: gets right right into the old noggat. If there's one

843
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: thing to say, and I said, there's two years ago

844
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: when he was a rookie. At least he's missed kicks

845
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: in a season where a playoff spot was not in

846
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: the balance and the missed kick could have cost them

847
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: a postseason birth right. That certainly is a positive way

848
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: of but that that is a positive way of looking

849
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: at But at the same point, work out the kinks

850
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: the rest of the season and the next year, come

851
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: back and hit no problem. Let's go to Brooklyn to

852
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: zero five, one three. In Brooklyn, we're gonna check in

853
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: with Clay. Clay, you're on with Russ and Paul. How

854
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: are we doing today, Clay, I'm doing well, gentlemen. That

855
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: was my tweet. Thank you so much. I really appreciate

856
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: it very well. Put Yeah, no, Clay, that was that

857
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: was a really good point. Thank you, Thank you. I'll

858
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: try not to blow it now. I have a questions

859
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: about some coachings, and of course you know, I know

860
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: you guys are there every day. Um. I saw an

861
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: article on bb View about how we throw the st

862
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: gron compare account of the running backs to get thrown

863
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: to a course the league, and I wish I thought

864
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: it was a great article, a lot of good information,

865
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: except that he didn't be take into account where Juan

866
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: is not physically where he's how far down feel but

867
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: he catches most of his tastes was his back to

868
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: the defense. He's turning around, he's standing still, and he's

869
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: catching the ball. So whether it's two yards downfield, down

870
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: for you can catch the ball not having any idea

871
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 1: who's coming behind him and with no momentum, whereas most

872
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: of those guys in mccaf lee, Alvin Kamara. People like

873
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: that are catching the ball like on a drag route,

874
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: bearing full stride, out running linebacker, the quarterback to those

875
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: ball out in front of them. They catch it in

876
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: stride and they and they turn it up you. So

877
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: my complain about how were you say quant in the

878
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: passing game? Isn't just that he gets most of his

879
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: passes either behind the las scrimmis or at lassie. Is

880
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: that he gets them standing still. You know what, Clay,

881
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: I got to tell you something fully plays the heck

882
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: of a caller, because no, I've Claire, I never there

883
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: are things that about the passing game with him that

884
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: I thought about, which I'll get to, but I never

885
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: really thought about it until you said it. A lot

886
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 1: of times he's getting the ball with his back to

887
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: the defense. And I'm good at two different runners, two

888
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: completely different runners. But when Brandon Jacobs was here, I

889
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 1: always wanted to see Brandon Jacobs catch that little screen,

890
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: that little flair, and you know that that's like given

891
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: secretary the chance to get a head start because he

892
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: was so big and strong, and you know he was

893
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: already you know, had a full head of steam going upfield.

894
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: That's a fair point, Clay, I you know, which quite frankly,

895
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: listen again, he's been hurt. But if that could work, yeah,

896
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: I'd like to see that, Clay, somewhat to your point.

897
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: You know, Barkley caught passes last year, and I was

898
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: very vocal during the off season, based on what I

899
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: saw during the all season program and the spring workouts

900
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: and then even the summer camp. I was very vocal

901
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 1: that Barkley would have a thousand and thousand this year,

902
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 1: a thousand yards, very vocal about it, and that didn't

903
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: come as a pipe dream. We had heard the coaches

904
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: talk about getting more involved in the passing game, especially downfield,

905
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: and how they really wanted him to pick up his

906
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: route running ability and to polish that up and become

907
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: a very dangerous receiving threat down field. This is what

908
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 1: we were all led to believe. That has not manifested itself.

909
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: For whatever reason, that part of the game which we

910
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: thought they were going to bring out of the closet,

911
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: so to speak, never has really come into the daylight.

912
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 1: So I sympathize with your disappointment. I can only tell

913
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: you that um I certainly had a different perception over

914
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: the course of the off season as to how he

915
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: would be used, and I really haven't seen a lot

916
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, he live threw a pass to him

917
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: in the obviously one of the first games of to

918
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 1: get which one. It hit him in the back as

919
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: he was he was running a little wheel route. I remember,

920
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: I remember passing me back and if Eli had held

921
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: up all another second and let him up, feel I

922
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: think he would have scored. But that's the kind of

923
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: thing I'm talking about, or even like I said, just

924
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: a little three or four yard dragged out across the

925
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: field and let the lineback of Jason. The other thing

926
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: is if he runs of yards downfield two or three

927
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 1: times a game, I gotta think it softens up the

928
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: defense where everybody else even hit him necessarily. Here's a

929
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: great weapon and I would love to see it right.

930
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: And one more thing for the two defensive tackles thing.

931
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people called and asked about that.

932
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: If I get that we have depths now that we

933
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: have you know, Williams and and d J. Hill and

934
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: and Dex and Dalvin, I personally think we should go

935
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: for three. And I know you guys have talked about

936
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: it about that as well, um, you know, even if

937
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: we're not getting the pass rush, at least we were

938
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: shut down the run entirely, I think with those four

939
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: at the four defensi vironment, but at the least if

940
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: we could have three of them on the field more often.

941
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: It seems like every time there's a gash play it's

942
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,439
Speaker 1: because we had two defensive tackles and Golden and Carter

943
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: on the edges, and honestly, or Golden and zmitez and

944
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: and honestly, they're just not as strong against the run.

945
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: So do you have any sense of why it is

946
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: that we're doing to do to two defensive tackles as

947
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: often as we do, because it obviously isn't working and

948
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: we should be great against the run with the bodies.

949
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: We have a frunt. It has to do with the

950
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 1: philosophical approach to the game and and the Giants from

951
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: their core philosophy and what what basically the defensive coordinator,

952
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: James Betcher wants to do. He's gonna base everything out

953
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: of his three four scheme. He knows the players that

954
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: he wants to get on the field for the most snaps,

955
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: he knows how he wants to use them, and and

956
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: that's the way he's employing them. I've said before a

957
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: possible suggestion, especially against these power running teams like Minnesota

958
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: and Dallas, and I even thought against the Jets, uh

959
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 1: a A four three would be something that's an option.

960
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 1: I absolutely concur with you. I could understand that. I

961
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: think it's it's something that I favor myself, but it's

962
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: not my call. And I do understand the philosophy of

963
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: trying to get your best players on the field for

964
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: the most snaps. That is certainly part. I'm sure of

965
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: what the Giants are thinking. Thanks Clay, thank you for

966
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: the call. That's a really good call. Yeah. Well, and

967
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: he had a great tweeter right the other tweets before.

968
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: We don't have anything else right now, it doesn't look

969
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: like it. Let me try one more time to Giants chat.

970
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: You know, Russ, it's funny because they're going up against

971
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: a team now and no new tweets have come in

972
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: a Bears team, which again offensively challenged. You know how

973
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,479
Speaker 1: many times do we have to say that besides playing clean,

974
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: one of the things that Giants really need to be

975
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: able to do is to control the tempo of the game,

976
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: use that running game effectively. Make sure you use the

977
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: play action, make sure you control time of possession, make

978
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: sure you play from ahead. These are so many simple

979
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: things that we have talked about, and against an offensively

980
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: challenged team like the Bears, those things should really get

981
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: you a victory if you can execute properly. Should have,

982
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: would have, could have. I don't know, you know when

983
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: you talk with but there are point is it's not

984
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: a hard game plan. Well, no, but but there are

985
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: other things. I'll give you an example. And you and

986
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: I sit next to each other, and you and I

987
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: I don't to me, we can talk to we're blue

988
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: in the face. I mean, I don't think it's a

989
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: big deal. The Giants like to defer and get the

990
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: ball in the second half. You like it the other

991
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 1: way to me, regardless of whatever way it is, here's

992
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: one of the things, you know, uh, that I think

993
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,240
Speaker 1: they need to do is you know those three and outs.

994
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 1: Everybody goes to three and outs in the football game,

995
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: but there are three and outs at inopportune times. What

996
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 1: do I mean by that? Well, obviously three and out

997
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 1: when when the game is in crunch time that you

998
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: know that really rears its ugly head. But let's say

999
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,720
Speaker 1: it's even in the first quarter, and you defer, okay,

1000
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: you defer, and then then the team starts to kick off,

1001
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: and you know, whether the team scores or not, but

1002
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: especially if it scores, the team has the ball, let's

1003
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: say for eight minutes, so your offense has been sitting

1004
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: there on the sideline, and then the offense comes out,

1005
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: and then the offense goes three and out. Then the

1006
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 1: defense is back on there, you know, you know, so

1007
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: there's one thing of fighting back if did the team

1008
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: just it's dominating the clock as we need you to

1009
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: dominate the clock with not dominate the clock. Let's let's

1010
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: get a couple of a couple of drives going within

1011
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: the drive and that's that's been a problem. Oh, there's

1012
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 1: no question. And one of the reasons is because the

1013
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: power running game has truly not gotten going. And that's

1014
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 1: the primary reason. You're not going to control time of

1015
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: possession unless you can pound the football. Uh well, in

1016
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: most cases, I get it, the short stuff, the West

1017
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: Coast offense and all that stuff, I get it, But

1018
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: pound of football, that's the easier way to do it.

1019
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: We're talking about a guy who missed three games, and

1020
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: you know it's not been healthy. So it's not just

1021
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: anybody at Sae Kwon Barkley. You know, as as Paul said,

1022
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: he not just pounding the ball. But you know what

1023
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: was it catches last year? How much total yards two

1024
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: thousand or two over two thousands US from scrimmage over

1025
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: two thousand gods, phenomenal. I mean that's not about him, No,

1026
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's about the entire team. But again

1027
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: it's not excuses. And coaches and the players to a

1028
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: man always say next man up, But a lot of

1029
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: times the next man up isn't as good as the

1030
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: man that they're replacing. You know what happens when a

1031
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: lot of things at a lot of different levels are

1032
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: just a little bit off, the net result is you're

1033
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: a whole lot off. Really. You know, one of the

1034
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: you know, when we talk about the draft, to talk

1035
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: about rookies, like for example, Paul and Clayton brought up

1036
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: the first three guys you know in the who the

1037
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: Giants drafted in the first round. All of a sudden,

1038
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of talk about the guy the

1039
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: Giants drafted in the fifth round. Slayton, you know, hell

1040
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: of a player. Have been a lot of talk about

1041
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: Connolly too if he didn't blow out well without question,

1042
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: but unfortunately he's heard. I mean, so when we talk

1043
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: about drafts and future and young talent, they're loaded, they

1044
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: really are. They've got a lot of terrific young players.

1045
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: Young also remains the operive or. But Connolly was outstanding

1046
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: talking about wearing a microphone and helmet. He was he

1047
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: he wasn't doing good, he was doing terrific when he

1048
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: went down. And Slayton what what impressed me? And we

1049
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: were talking about it last week I was with you

1050
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: with David. The one thing that impressed me about Slayton

1051
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: last week was he uh responded to have a very

1052
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: good game after a week in which he had a

1053
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: bad game. He had a that was probably his worst

1054
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: game this season. And for a rookie to respond like that,

1055
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,959
Speaker 1: to come up with such a good performance, I thought

1056
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Speaker 1: that was that told me a little something about Darius Layton. Well,

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Speaker 1: he's how to grow up fast. He has UH to me,

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Speaker 1: they liked him, but he has exceeded my expectations. You know,

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Speaker 1: He's done it at times where he's had to be

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Speaker 1: the man. And one of the one of the criticisms

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Speaker 1: that I had from some of the receivers earlier in

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Speaker 1: the season was they as I said, they weren't going

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Speaker 1: grabbing the ball. You know, you know, if it was

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Speaker 1: a fight with a defender, they weren't going grabbing the ball.

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Speaker 1: Darius Slayton has done it quite a few times, and

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Speaker 1: he's done it for touchdowns. So to me, um again, folks,

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Speaker 1: well back from the bye week, you got the Bears

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Speaker 1: coming up, and now it's uh, let these young guys

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Speaker 1: continue to grow and let the young guys continue to

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Speaker 1: get better and hopefully we clean up some of the

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Speaker 1: problems and uh the elves can turn into w's. But

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Speaker 1: right now we're gonna put a wrap on a bow

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Speaker 1: on this one and say, um, we'll see you soon.

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Speaker 1: Our thanks to demand across the way taking care of

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Speaker 1: us at the controls. Dave Dominic to my buddy hire

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Speaker 1: Paul Datino, um Russaulisburg gett a big time thank you

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Speaker 1: to you people, because without you people out there, we'd

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Speaker 1: have nobody to hear to be talking to. I'll be

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Speaker 1: back here tomorrow with David Deal. See you then.