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Speaker 2: left our heroes, two separate vines of Irish independence were
Speaker 2: starting to intertwine, and both were growing thorns. I spent
Speaker 2: way too long reading Irish poetry. Beautiful thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I thought it would go well with the way that
Speaker 2: the Irish always talked about the revolution. You've got the nationalists,
Speaker 2: most remembered by Patrick Pierce, who are all about Irish culture,
Speaker 2: lots of poets and playwrights and school teachers and all
Speaker 2: of that. And then they have the Irish Volunteers, the
Speaker 2: larger military organization with Kum and Nabah, the Women's Council
Speaker 2: that operates as a somewhat independent women's auxiliary to it.
Speaker 2: The other vine are the socialists, most remembered through James. Finally,
Speaker 2: they're all about workers control the means of production. They're
Speaker 2: doing it in a very specifically Irish way. They're deviating
Speaker 2: from classical Marxism and British Marxism on a bunch of points.
Speaker 2: They don't reject religion as kind of the biggest one
Speaker 2: that people argue about to this day. They're also not
Speaker 2: into the dictatorship of the proletariat, but instead creating a
Speaker 2: socialist republic rather than a socialist dictatorship of the proletariat.
Speaker 2: Their way into the cooperative movement. They like co ops
Speaker 2: and shit, not necessarily like the bougie food ones, but
Speaker 2: you know, instead of instead of nationalizing the means of production,
Speaker 2: they're more overall, they're into some of that but they're
Speaker 2: also more into like democratic workforces, controlling the means of production, copyright,
Speaker 2: which is I'm way more into.
Speaker 3: So yeah, me too, And I'm wondering if that's my
Speaker 3: political ideology, if it's because i'm you know, mostly Irish,
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I'm also more into that, Brandy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it just like it works for me. It's
Speaker 2: a way more democratic form of yeah, overall, I would say.
Speaker 2: And they have their own militant organization, the smaller and
Speaker 2: feistier Irish Citizen Army, in which there's no women's auxiliary
Speaker 2: because women are an equal part of the organization and
Speaker 2: participate in arms training the same as everyone else. And
Speaker 2: I read a lot of different stuff about women's involvement
Speaker 2: in the Easter Rising and overall, like normally you're like,
Speaker 2: you have this big thing full of men, and then
Speaker 2: people are like, there was a couple of women. It
Speaker 2: was cool, and like, don't get me wrong, that's cool,
Speaker 2: Like it's cool that not everything is as completely men
Speaker 2: as possible. But in this case, women were really involved
Speaker 2: in the Easter Rising, which is even cooler. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: they're just left out of it, you know, less cool,
Speaker 2: way less cool. And we'll talk about some of the
Speaker 2: ways in which that happened in a little bit. But
Speaker 2: the thing about these two different groups, not the men
Speaker 2: and the women, but the nationalists and the socialists a
Speaker 2: sketchy thing to say in conjunction with each other. They
Speaker 2: have always bled into each other. Patrick Pierce supported unions
Speaker 2: even though he wasn't a socialist, and he was also
Speaker 2: against authoritarianism and wrote very like masculinist stuff all the time,
Speaker 2: right about like good strong men, like we talked about
Speaker 2: last time. M hm. But I was doing a little
Speaker 2: bit more reading about him in the Intervening several days
Speaker 2: since the last recording, and he would often say things
Speaker 2: like that one of the problems with Irish colonial society
Speaker 2: was that not enough women were running things, like the
Speaker 2: problem with the education system is that it was that
Speaker 2: women weren't at the highest levels of it, and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. Interesting.
Speaker 3: I like that, an interesting juxtaposition of what you would
Speaker 3: associate a person that's into a big strong manly man
Speaker 3: but also acknowledging how powerful women are.
Speaker 2: Okay, totally, And he's he's he's an interesting I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to be like this is whatever. He's an interesting
Speaker 2: person and he's like again, like probably asexual. He's kind
Speaker 2: of a mama's boy, and we'll talk about that in
Speaker 2: the end. And he really respects and believes in the
Speaker 2: women in his life, and he just also had this
Speaker 2: very masculinist attitude around what Irish men could be, okay,
Speaker 2: And so then on the other side, the Socialists were
Speaker 2: also all about Irish independence of Ireland too, and they
Speaker 2: were also a bunch of weirdo artists. Apparently James Connolly,
Speaker 2: in his ample free time that I don't know where
Speaker 2: he came up with, wrote plays and the lead actor
Speaker 2: in one of his most popular plays was the one
Speaker 2: of the leaders of the Rising.
Speaker 3: Oh cool. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And there are real ideological and organizational differences between the two,
Speaker 2: but it's not as distinct as one might immediately think.
Speaker 2: The Nationalists are a bit less radical, and plenty of
Speaker 2: them are like, well, home rule would be okay, right,
Speaker 2: that thing where we're kind of part of England but
Speaker 2: not as much, you know, And the socialists are like,
Speaker 2: the fuck it would be. Yeah, we're fighting for some
Speaker 2: more shit. This is a very big distinction. Yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: And the two groups they're like, all right, well, we're
Speaker 2: gonna fucking do this. We've got to overthrow England. How
Speaker 2: are we gonna do it? England is the mightiest empire
Speaker 2: in the world. We need an opportunity, an opportunity, Like
Speaker 2: when you think of things that happened in the nineteen tens,
Speaker 2: any big ones come to mind?
Speaker 3: I mean so many. I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 3: where were we going with this.
Speaker 2: I know it's always a setup. World War one. We're
Speaker 2: going to World War one?
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I beat that. Yeah, yes, fair En, that's
Speaker 3: the big one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Which is still my favorite joke in the world
Speaker 2: is that when they named it World War one, they
Speaker 2: were like one, there's gonna be more than one of this. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean they called it the Great War, but yeah,
Speaker 2: until I got over shot.
Speaker 3: We're just setting it.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. So the Great War hits and home rule
Speaker 2: is tabled for now. The government is like, we're not
Speaker 2: going to halfway free anybody right now. We're busy sending
Speaker 2: men into a meat grinder, and the Centrists in Ireland,
Speaker 2: including a ton of the Irish volunteers, probably the majority
Speaker 2: of the Irish volunteers, march off to war in the
Speaker 2: British Army. Last week I was talking about how there
Speaker 2: was like some numbers is two hundred thousand volunteers and
Speaker 2: some numbers were a like ten thousand volunteers, and I
Speaker 2: was this was as I guessed, this was the pre
Speaker 2: and post split. Right. Once World War One hits, the
Speaker 2: people willing to try and overthrow England drops drops dramatically. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And because the Irish volunteers were there to protect Home rule,
Speaker 2: they weren't there to overthrow England, right, And so the
Speaker 2: Irish Centrists were like, well, if we prove we're loyal
Speaker 2: to the English crown, maybe they'll give us a little freedom.
Speaker 2: And then because of this, you have these two militias
Speaker 2: that were about to fight each other, the Ulster Volunteers
Speaker 2: who are the Protestant anti freedom militia, and then the
Speaker 2: Irish Volunteers, and they are fighting side by side in
Speaker 2: the trenches to save the British Empire. And that's kind
Speaker 2: of sad. But Germany was the aggressor in World War One,
Speaker 2: and it's not like in and of itself bad that
Speaker 2: people tried to stop them from do.
Speaker 3: No, this is messy and complicated, is what it is. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Because this other big thing is going on and it
Speaker 3: kind of splits your allegiance. This isn't kind of changes
Speaker 3: your priorities. Maybe you're your timeline for achieving certain goals too.
Speaker 2: But totally but yeah. And also one of the reasons
Speaker 2: the Irish volunteers fought for the British was to defend
Speaker 2: Catholic Belgium against the Germans and German invasion. But after
Speaker 2: the so you have this first rush of volunteers. But
Speaker 2: then after that, basically as soon as everyone figures out
Speaker 2: that World War One is like the first time that
Speaker 2: someone hmm, the first time that Europeans were forced to
Speaker 2: charge machine gun nests. You know, like the beginning of
Speaker 2: World War One is like one of the nastiest pieces
Speaker 2: of human history of just like people being down and
Speaker 2: mass because old tactics don't work with new technology and
Speaker 2: leaders don't care about the lives of the people that
Speaker 2: they lead at this point. And so then the Irish
Speaker 2: are like, we don't want to go anymore. That doesn't sound.
Speaker 3: Nothings.
Speaker 2: I'm good, yeah and sold, yeah exactly. And so the
Speaker 2: rest of the Irish volunteers who go off are essentially
Speaker 2: poverty draft. They're the poorer folks from the urban slums
Speaker 2: who are like, well, it's this or starve or die
Speaker 2: of TV, you know mm. And the war increased price
Speaker 2: of food so much that it actually the urban poor
Speaker 2: got way poorer, but some of the rural poor kind
Speaker 2: of did all right, because if they grew and sold food,
Speaker 2: it was like worth a lot more.
Speaker 3: Interesting thing to note for all of ourselves at all times, and.
Speaker 2: Like right now, yeah, I know, right, And so a
Speaker 2: lot of Irish people instead are like, well, We're going
Speaker 2: to do the other most traditional Irish thing in the world, emigrate.
Speaker 2: But then England was like, you know, I guess something else,
Speaker 2: but yeah, no, no emigrate, Yeah, like just leave Ireland.
Speaker 2: A ton of people left Ireland to get away from
Speaker 2: just all the horrors that were happening.
Speaker 3: I guess this is when my family emigrated.
Speaker 2: I want to know the.
Speaker 1: Fill in the blank that you were thinking on your
Speaker 1: mad loosind just like drinking, I still procreating, fucking.
Speaker 2: And I'm Irish so I can say all of that too,
Speaker 2: or being aggressively Catholic and getting mad at everyone for
Speaker 2: all of those things and then doing.
Speaker 3: It, yeah, exactly, you know, we all filled in those
Speaker 3: on fills. Have you been to one of my family reunions?
Speaker 2: Because that is like the entire script.
Speaker 3: I think that my family came in like nineteen thirteen
Speaker 3: of this of this time frame.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's roughly the nineteen's, the nineteen tens or when
Speaker 2: I only came as well, and so England was like, well,
Speaker 2: you're not allowed to leave anymore, which I didn't even
Speaker 2: it didn't even occur to me, Like of all the
Speaker 2: bad colonial things, it never quite occurred to me that
Speaker 2: England would just be like, now we're closing the borders.
Speaker 2: You're not allowed to leave Ireland. Ireland is now your prison.
Speaker 3: But also you know, checks out in its own ways.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh yeah, no, totally.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was like I didn't know that that was a thing,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't surprising that that.
Speaker 3: Was exactly That's what I mean. Not yeah, not that
Speaker 3: I agree with their logic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the thing about borders, right, you put
Speaker 2: up a wall that keeps you in as much as
Speaker 2: it keeps other people out, and so you've got this war.
Speaker 2: The diehard Irish nationalists are like, all right, this is
Speaker 2: an opportunity. They're off doing another thing. We talked on
Speaker 2: the Roger Caseman episode about how Roger Casement the gay,
Speaker 2: anti colonial Irish Knight, who's one of my favorite people
Speaker 2: in history, who is not as much in this episode
Speaker 2: because we did a whole two part about him, but
Speaker 2: him and then Joseph Plunkett, the tuberculosis guy, who would
Speaker 2: probably be pretty annoyed that that's how I'm remembering him
Speaker 2: in this show.
Speaker 3: It's like, do you feel like we're remembering lots of
Speaker 3: people as the tuberculosis fill in the blank.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a tuberculosis man and a tuberculosis woman that
Speaker 2: we go true, that's true. Yeah, and then the tuberculosis
Speaker 2: poverty of Dublin.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: They go to the Kaiser. They go to Germany in
Speaker 2: the middle of World War One and they're like, hey,
Speaker 2: we want to fight England too, Can we have some
Speaker 2: guns so we can like fight England?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And Germany's like, yeah, fine, whatever, Like they're not super committed,
Speaker 2: but they're like, we'll see how it goes. We'll give
Speaker 2: you some guns, we'll see how it goes. And there's
Speaker 2: already been a couple this has already happened a couple times,
Speaker 2: and there's this whole side story that we don't won't
Speaker 2: get into or this like a this like adventurer couple.
Speaker 2: It's like man and this woman like went around on
Speaker 2: this like yacht and like brought five hundred guns over
Speaker 2: and then they had to like smuggle them into and
Speaker 2: then the cops started shooting people, and then people like
Speaker 2: whatever happened A couple years prior I'd watched that movie.
Speaker 2: I know absolutely going to Germany was a big way. Okay,
Speaker 2: So when the media frames the East arising at the time,
Speaker 2: they're like, this is just treason. They're just helping Germany. Right,
Speaker 2: this is not a new strategy for the Irish rebels.
Speaker 2: They're not specifically like man, we love the Kaiser. Right.
Speaker 2: Whenever England was at war with someone, the Irish would
Speaker 2: go to England's enemy and be like, could you could
Speaker 2: you invade us really quickly, just like a little quick
Speaker 2: landing with an army takeover the island. We'll like help
Speaker 2: you out until the war's over and then you leave.
Speaker 2: One of the most famous Irish rebels in history is
Speaker 2: this Protestant Irish dude named Wolf Tone, which is a
Speaker 2: sick name. His first name is Wolf wolf Tone. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, first name Wolf, last name tone, middle name okay,
Speaker 3: last name tone Yeah, wolf Tone sick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fucking cool name. He tried twice to
Speaker 2: get the French to land in Ireland before dying in
Speaker 2: seventeen ninety.
Speaker 3: Oh Wolf Tone, my man, I know, I know.
Speaker 2: So back to the twentieth century, the Irish Volunteers and
Speaker 2: the Citizen's Army are finding out that they have a
Speaker 2: lot in common, right the socialists and the nationalists. They're like,
Speaker 2: even though some of the volunteers had been anti union,
Speaker 2: some of them hadn't been. And folks start getting over
Speaker 2: those differences because there's bigger problems right now. Jack White,
Speaker 2: the adventurer with a Fedora, who we talked about last time,
Speaker 2: who I just kind of a side.
Speaker 3: Note character Fleet singer of the White Stripes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly when the lead singer of the
Speaker 2: White Stripes he was a vampire. It's been around for
Speaker 2: a very long time, Jackson. Yeah, glad he got rid
Speaker 2: of Fedora. It was a good style at this time.
Speaker 2: Would not have been a good style in odds not now.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He actually quits the ICA the Citizen Army and goes
Speaker 2: over to join the Volunteers, even though he's one of
Speaker 2: the founders of the Citizen's Army. And he does this
Speaker 2: to draw connections. He was like, well, we need to
Speaker 2: we need to be closer in with these other armed groups, right,
Speaker 2: And then our countess she's just like, well, I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna do both. I'm going to be in the Citizen's
Speaker 2: Army and the Irish volunteers. Who the fuck is going
Speaker 2: to stop me? I am a six foot one armed
Speaker 2: noble woman who sold her diamond tierra to feed the
Speaker 2: poor and buy gun. Yes, no one's going to stop me,
Speaker 2: and she will not be contained.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: I found out she was six to one in the
Speaker 2: intervening couple of days, and I'm like really excited.
Speaker 3: Just didn't remark on it at first because I was like,
Speaker 3: did I miss that specific detail?
Speaker 2: No, I didn't know.
Speaker 3: Wow, Yeah, that's incredible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she is a fucking awesome person, not just for
Speaker 2: being tall, but I just you know, whatever, I know,
Speaker 2: But that helps. Yeah, And then the other reason that
Speaker 2: the two are decided that they have to get together.
Speaker 2: At this point, there's like two to three hundred folks
Speaker 2: in the Citizen's Army and there's like maybe ten thousand volunteers.
Speaker 2: So the Citizen's Army is like, oh, yeah, we need them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we need them. Within a month of Britain joining the
Speaker 2: war in nineteen fourteen, the IRB, the Irish Republican Brotherhood,
Speaker 2: who are one of the groups that the Volunteers is
Speaker 2: sort of built out of, they meet and they're like,
Speaker 2: we got to do this uprising before the war ends.
Speaker 2: Like we just it's it's our chance. And so they
Speaker 2: start planning and they do it really secretly. Not even
Speaker 2: everyone who runs the IRB and the Volunteers knows about
Speaker 2: the plan because a lot of the leadership is more conservative,
Speaker 2: and by that I don't mean like votes Reagan, I
Speaker 2: mean like a little bit more careful in how they
Speaker 2: want to go about things, and so they're not clued in.
Speaker 2: They're like, all right, well, we can't tell the people
Speaker 2: who want to say no, we'll just plan it, you know.
Speaker 2: And then an old Irish nationalist from the past generation
Speaker 2: of revolutionaries died in June nineteen fifteen at the age
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Speaker 2: So Jeremiah O'Donovan Rosa Jeremiah Donovan Rosa was born in
Speaker 2: eighteen thirty one, and he believed in what was called
Speaker 2: physical force Irish Republicanism aka why don't some people get
Speaker 2: some dynamite and go to London and just see what happens?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: And normally when people like write about this and don't
Speaker 2: do it as much personally, I'm a little bit like, yeah,
Speaker 2: fuck off. But he wrote about it a lot, and
Speaker 2: this led to some negative ramifications in his life, so
Speaker 2: he put some skin in the game, specifically an awful
Speaker 2: lot of time in prison exile where he did not
Speaker 2: get to live his life in Ireland, and at one
Speaker 2: point an english woman just shot him. But he survived, okay,
Speaker 2: and I think it was over. I don't know. Whenever
Speaker 2: I hear about a woman shooting a man, I'm like,
Speaker 2: probably deserved it. But I think in this case, now
Speaker 2: it's hard to aside. I know, I think this time
Speaker 2: it was it was actually ethnically motivated crime. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but he survives that. When in prison, at one point
Speaker 2: he was manacled to a wall for thirty five days
Speaker 2: because he threw his chamber pot at the warden. And
Speaker 2: then another time he spent three days because he refused
Speaker 2: to take his cap off in front of a visiting doctor.
Speaker 2: So he's not, oh, Jeremiah, he's not a what he
Speaker 2: doesn't like being told what to do, it's not being
Speaker 2: told what to do. I could have guessed that from
Speaker 2: how he got in prison. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: You know, knowing nothing about him other than what you've said,
Speaker 3: I I'm on his.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, I don't know much about him personally.
Speaker 2: I'm you know, he's not the deep dive of the episode,
Speaker 2: but he's interesting and he he managed an Irish classic thing,
Speaker 2: which was he got himself elected to the British House
Speaker 2: of Commons while he was in prison, and like couldn't
Speaker 2: serve because Ireland was like pretty good at voting for people,
Speaker 2: just as fuck used to England.
Speaker 3: So he couldn't serve. They took it away, give it
Speaker 3: to someone else.
Speaker 2: I think, so I believe that that is what happened interesting,
Speaker 2: or maybe his seat was empty, I am I actually
Speaker 2: not certain, but it's a thing that the twentieth century
Speaker 2: has a ton of is Irish people being like, yeah, well,
Speaker 2: I'm going to run from prison because fuck you.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: He was exiled in eighteen seventy one, basically like I
Speaker 2: we'll let you out of jail. You're not allowed in
Speaker 2: the United Kingdom and he's like that's fine, and they're like,
Speaker 2: Ireland's in the United Kingdom and he was like, oh fuck,
Speaker 2: and I don't. I'm not even paraphrasing him entirely making
Speaker 2: up that exchange, and then he went to America. He also,
Speaker 2: over the course of his life, had eighteen kids, by
Speaker 2: three different wives, because his first two wives died young.
Speaker 3: Okay, bringing a background the Irish, Yeah, they love their
Speaker 3: fucking yeah.
Speaker 2: Catholicism is all of a drug, unlike prophylactics. While he
Speaker 2: was in exile, he was only allowed to return to
Speaker 2: Ireland for like short visits. I think he got to
Speaker 2: visit twice for like brief moments. And then he died
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifteen, and the Easter Rising was already being
Speaker 2: planned and then here's this famous rebel who had died.
Speaker 2: So the rebels wrote the US and they a lot
Speaker 2: of them like knew him, right. One of the people
Speaker 2: who's going to get killed, executed at the end of
Speaker 2: the Easter Rising is one of the guys who took
Speaker 2: the dynamite and went to London a generation prior, you know.
Speaker 2: So they're like, hey, give us the body. He's dead
Speaker 2: now he can come home in England's like fine, fuck you,
Speaker 2: And so his remains are shipped home to Ireland and
Speaker 2: tens of thousands of people came to his funeral and
Speaker 2: the various revolutionists gave speeches from his graveside, but the
Speaker 2: most famous one is by Patrick Pierce, and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: quote part of it. Life springs from death, and from
Speaker 2: the graves of patriot men and women spring living nations.
Speaker 2: They think they have pacified Ireland, They think that they
Speaker 2: have foreseen everything, think they have provided against everything. But
Speaker 2: the fools, the fools, the fools they have left us
Speaker 2: Arephenian dead. And while Ireland holds these graves, Ireland unfree
Speaker 2: shall never be at peace.
Speaker 3: That's beautiful.
Speaker 2: I know. More poets in the revolution, please and not
Speaker 2: where you think your job is just poet.
Speaker 3: Side note, this is not to stay in a sorry,
Speaker 3: really funny you cut up slightly for me. As the
Speaker 3: weather just hit in my mountain. Okay, wind and hail
Speaker 3: just started coming down.
Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa, I just keep that in, but all right,
Speaker 2: keep it in. That last, Ireland unfree shall never be
Speaker 2: at peace is the most quoted part of this. And
Speaker 2: what's wild to think about is it holds true even
Speaker 2: today because throughout the whole twentieth century and the troubles,
Speaker 2: like the reason that the troubles continued is Ireland not
Speaker 2: being free yet?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the rank and file of the including the
Speaker 2: non military parts of the Irish Republican Brotherhood, and like
Speaker 2: a lot of people in the volunteers and stuff. They
Speaker 2: don't know the details of the rising, and at this
Speaker 2: point Connolly and the Socialists don't know about the rising.
Speaker 2: But everyone is training, everyone's getting ready, everyone can feel it.
Speaker 2: There's something in the air. And soon enough, England, Wales
Speaker 2: and Scotland all have the draft to get into World
Speaker 2: War One because people aren't, for some weird reason volunteering
Speaker 2: to go get mowed down by a machine gun. Weird,
Speaker 2: I know, cowards, I know. But speaking of cowards, the
Speaker 2: English were too nervous to conscript the Irish. Oh, cowards,
Speaker 2: and they were like they they're considering it, right, but
Speaker 2: it's like harder because Ireland is kind of fighty and
Speaker 2: keeps up. Maybe they don't always want to give all
Speaker 2: the Irish guns. And you know, although actually you have
Speaker 2: this interesting thing where a lot of the militia trainings
Speaker 2: the government let happen, right, because you're like, how are
Speaker 2: all these people getting all these guns and running around
Speaker 2: in the woods and shooting practice stuff. And the answer
Speaker 2: is that one when England was considering giving home rule,
Speaker 2: the Ulster volunteers, the right wing ones, they were preparing
Speaker 2: to fight against England. So they actually the English actually
Speaker 2: believed that the Irish volunteers would have a right to
Speaker 2: self defense to defend home rule against the militia, which
Speaker 2: is interesting. And then the Irish citizen army by this point,
Speaker 2: you know, World War one's hitting and like England's like, well,
Speaker 2: we don't mind those people that were considering drafting knowing
Speaker 2: how to shoot. You know, it's messy, it's so messy.
Speaker 3: It's messy. Yeah, I'm I mean, we talked about this
Speaker 3: in the first two it's complicated. It's hard to keep
Speaker 3: some of these threads straight. But yeah, especially with the
Speaker 3: other war.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so a lot of the volunteers because volunteers
Speaker 2: don't know there's an uprising plan, right, no one knows
Speaker 2: this except like, I think it's five people at this point,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. So they're practicing because they know that
Speaker 2: they're going to have an uprising if the draft is called,
Speaker 2: and they're like, all right, if they try to draft us,
Speaker 2: we'll fight back. And now James Connelly, the socialist guy,
Speaker 2: he doesn't know about the rising yet, and he's basically
Speaker 2: like he's hanging out with the nationalists. He's like, y'all
Speaker 2: gonna fucking start this thing, or do I gotta do it,
Speaker 2: like what the fuck? Like yeah, and so the volunteers
Speaker 2: are like, all right, better bring them on board and
Speaker 2: to our plan because otherwise they're just gonna do it
Speaker 2: without us. Yeah, and it'll fuck everything else.
Speaker 3: There's some like basic level communication that needs to happen
Speaker 3: in order for this to be effective. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so they recruited Connolly to be on their like
Speaker 2: Supreme Council or whatever, the like the hidden body that
Speaker 2: was planning the rising, and they bring on two more
Speaker 2: people and so they it's I think up to seven
Speaker 2: people now on the like not many people hidden Revolutionary
Speaker 2: Council or whatever. Yeah. So the ICA, the Irish Citizen Army,
Speaker 2: they join with the ivy the volunteers, and some of
Speaker 2: the Citizen's Army quit over this. They're like, we are
Speaker 2: fucking Marxist revolutionaries. We're not fighting alongside capitalists. That's not
Speaker 2: what we're doing here, you know. And if you ever
Speaker 2: want to hate yourself and the left, you can spend
Speaker 2: your time now. One hundred and eight years later, reading
Speaker 2: analyses from different Marxists about why the Irish were bad
Speaker 2: for supporting the Irish Volunteers and how they weren't suitably
Speaker 2: Marxist in this way or that way.
Speaker 3: Foot cringe inside, and it's like, it's not that I
Speaker 3: inherently disagree with the philosophy of like, oh, I can't
Speaker 3: like a firm line in the sand capitalists are but
Speaker 3: but like the context of situations bigger than right again, priorities.
Speaker 3: Let's get through this first part and then we can
Speaker 3: start figuring out we just tend to cannibalize each other sometimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, absolutely, and like I get it. I get
Speaker 2: quitting over that, and I'm not mad at the people
Speaker 2: quit over it. I'm only mad at the like later
Speaker 2: armchair like yeah, yeah, you know, it's the principal people.
Speaker 3: Fine, It's like I can't actually be mad at strong principles,
Speaker 3: and I'm not, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So everyone's getting ready now, right, the two sides
Speaker 2: have essentially joined with each other. And the volunteers are like, hey,
Speaker 2: on Easter this year, everyone should get ready for three
Speaker 2: days of parades and maneuvers and training exercises in public,
Speaker 2: like as a big show of force, you know. And
Speaker 2: then people are like maneuvers, how do you spell maneuvers?
Speaker 2: And no one got it right, least of all Margaret
Speaker 2: while writing this script and I was like, please don't
Speaker 2: ask me to spell it right now. No, No, it's
Speaker 2: not even spelled correctly in my notes here. And then
Speaker 2: to make it worse, I think this is a British
Speaker 2: versus English and I don't know it's all from French anyway.
Speaker 2: I can't even spell the bourgeoisie. That's why I hate them. Actually,
Speaker 2: sometimes I spell bourgeoisie correctly, and I feel like it's
Speaker 2: like I feel like I've like sold out that I
Speaker 2: noticed this point somehow. I'm yeah, I spent too much
Speaker 2: of my life thinking about this that I can fucking
Speaker 2: box spell They're winning.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've probably told this story before, but one time I
Speaker 2: made this pin and it said death the bourgeoisie, and
Speaker 2: it was like a guy with a little machine gun.
Speaker 2: It was kind of ironic, and it was a little
Speaker 2: bit like you know, and then like and my friend
Speaker 2: looked at it and was like, that says death to
Speaker 2: the rich women. Because because there's three ways of spelling
Speaker 2: boot there's bourgeois and then there's bourgeois z and there's
Speaker 2: one version that's gender inclusive and one version it's just women.
Speaker 2: And I had spelled it wrong, but the spell check
Speaker 2: had passed it because it was a real word. Because
Speaker 2: it was a real word. Well, smart Garet, Yeah, and
Speaker 2: so I'm real glad that I didn't put together a
Speaker 2: kill the lady's pin with a man with a machine
Speaker 2: gun on it, which is part of the lesson around
Speaker 2: militant rhetoric that you use ironically anyway. So they have
Speaker 2: this cover story, this is what was told to the
Speaker 2: volunteers right Easter Sunday. We're all going to go around
Speaker 2: to a parade. After all, they have a German boat
Speaker 2: full of guns with five thousand or twenty thousand rifles
Speaker 2: depending on which source you read, and the million rounds
Speaker 2: of AMMO on its way. So they're like, we're going
Speaker 2: to do this fucking thing. And they're there less feisty
Speaker 2: leaders than the volunteers I was talking about, who aren't
Speaker 2: excited about the rising unless it's spurred on by a draft.
Speaker 2: There's one guy history doesn't remember him particularly kindly, and
Speaker 2: his name is Owen McNeil, and he's the chief of
Speaker 2: staff of the volunteers, but he's not in the Supreme
Speaker 2: Council or whatever the fuck, and when he finds out
Speaker 2: about the rising, he only finds out kind of at
Speaker 2: the last minute, and he's like, are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 2: We can't do this. And then they're like, look, we've
Speaker 2: already got all these guns coming, like come on, just
Speaker 2: let us do this man, you know, and he's like,
Speaker 2: all right, if the guns show up, we can do it.
Speaker 2: But if the guns don't show up, we got to
Speaker 2: call the whole thing off. The guns don't show up.
Speaker 2: I've read a couple different accounts of this whatever as
Speaker 2: best as I can tell. You know, you have this
Speaker 2: boat coming over from Germany with all these guns on it,
Speaker 2: in a million rounds of ammunition and shit, right, and
Speaker 2: a German boat getting it, and they're like pretending to
Speaker 2: be Norwegian to get past all this shit. And so
Speaker 2: the Irish go to go meet it. But these three
Speaker 2: three Irish folks are in a car and they're driving
Speaker 2: without headlights on, like the coast of Ireland to not
Speaker 2: get caught. They have their headlights off and they just
Speaker 2: take a turn wrong and they fall into the ocean
Speaker 2: and drowned, and so no one's there to meet the ship.
Speaker 2: So then the English show up and the German captain
Speaker 2: has to like blow the ship and sink it. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: Roger Casement, the gay anti colonial knight who I love.
Speaker 2: He shows up the next day and it's like all
Speaker 2: too late, it's all fucking over, and he gets arrested
Speaker 2: and he aw man he is never a free man again.
Speaker 3: This goes from bad to worse.
Speaker 2: I know, I know that does Easter Rising does not
Speaker 2: start or end? Well, it only after the end goes well,
Speaker 2: you know, it's a bumber. So he's the last, first
Speaker 2: arrested and the last executed of the Easter Rising martyrs.
Speaker 2: And the guns don't arrive, and so Owen is like, fuck, no,
Speaker 2: the revolution is off. We only have like two thousand guns.
Speaker 2: We can't fucking do it, and he writes all over
Speaker 2: the country, Hey everyone, the parades and maneuvers are canceled.
Speaker 2: And he's such a fucking asshole. He probably spells maneuvers, right,
Speaker 2: That's how a bastard this man is. I have no
Speaker 2: idea anyway. So he does this because he thinks he's
Speaker 2: in charge, and then he finds out he's not as
Speaker 2: in charge as he thought he was because he tries
Speaker 2: to call it off. But you know what does arrive always,
Speaker 2: like the sun coming over the horizon, is ad breaks
Speaker 2: it's ad breaks inside your favorite shows.
Speaker 3: I really, honestly should have guessed that, given the fact
Speaker 3: that we just had those ads, your entire demeanor, changing
Speaker 3: your tone of voice. Yeah, but I didn't, and I
Speaker 3: was surprised. And now I'm going to be delighted and
Speaker 3: surprised by these ads.
Speaker 2: I know, totally gonna listen to him. That's what I
Speaker 2: do with ads. I listened to them all way, instead
Speaker 2: of using easy mechanical conveniences like skipping forward. Here they
Speaker 2: go and we're back.
Speaker 3: Great ads. I can a few sets of wonderful ads. Boy,
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: So Owen does not manage to successfully call off the revolution,
Speaker 2: he manages to fuck it up Owen, because there's this
Speaker 2: old quote that I think I have quote on the
Speaker 2: show before, and I always forget the name of the
Speaker 2: German guy who made this quote from a long ast
Speaker 2: time ago, but he is this quote, those who make
Speaker 2: half a revolution dig their own graves. And the guy
Speaker 2: who like made that quote, like I think, died as
Speaker 2: a result of his imprisonment at a fairly young age
Speaker 2: for his advocacy of anti capitalist revolution, so he knew
Speaker 2: what he was talking about. Yeah, but that's what Owen did.
Speaker 2: Owen showed up to dig everyone's grave by trying to
Speaker 2: make half a revolution. It was it's too late to
Speaker 2: call it off, and he tried anyway between the fuck
Speaker 2: up with the guns and oh and chickening out and
Speaker 2: fucking up the initial muster, Who knows what happened if
Speaker 2: it actually worked out, because they still managed a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the point in time where you double down,
Speaker 3: where you try to find you can't put the you
Speaker 3: can't stop the train. Yeah, so instead you got to
Speaker 3: figure out other ways to you know, I would love
Speaker 3: to be quick and sharp enough to continue with the
Speaker 3: train analogy, but find other ways to get the guns. Yeah, totally,
Speaker 3: much like trains need guns, much like guns. I don't know,
Speaker 3: you guys get it. Pretend that was clever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And even more than the guns, they needed everyone
Speaker 2: to show rights.
Speaker 3: To be there, not to be confused as to whether
Speaker 3: or not the party was canceled due to weather or not.
Speaker 2: Right exactly, It's like, yeah, some people still come even
Speaker 2: though it's raining, and then everyone has a terrible time
Speaker 2: because the person who was supposed to bring tents didn't
Speaker 2: come because it was posed raining And to be fair,
Speaker 2: whenever there's like a supreme council that's deciding how a
Speaker 2: bunch of people live and die. It's like, not great, right, And.
Speaker 3: Don't call yourself supreme council. I think is good too.
Speaker 2: I think they might have had a different name, and
Speaker 2: I can't remember right now. I can't remember whether ironically
Speaker 2: I called it supreme council when I first wrote this.
Speaker 3: I'm just going to be mad at them about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fuck them. But disclaimer on this part. So there's
Speaker 2: some sketchiness all around on this. Owen wasn't alone in
Speaker 2: trying to call the whole thing off. He's the one who,
Speaker 2: much like we have a great Man of history, where
Speaker 2: everyone's too lazy to remember Molt. I never remember any names,
Speaker 2: so that's why I don't remember one person's name. Owen
Speaker 2: wasn't the only person, but he's the name that everyone remembers,
Speaker 2: and I'll remember. I reason I remember it is I
Speaker 2: had to look up how to pronounce it because it's EO.
Speaker 3: I n okay, so that might be Ewen. I don't
Speaker 3: know e Owen. You're probably rightoh, I looked it up.
Speaker 3: I looked it up fairly quickly. But I'm gonna keep
Speaker 3: calling it Owen, and I'm yeah, sound off with the
Speaker 3: garments if we got it right or wrong.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's what I love. I love when people
Speaker 2: correct me.
Speaker 3: It's not alive. I don't think he cares, and I
Speaker 3: don't think his children are alive or his children's children.
Speaker 2: His children's children actually probably alive. A lot of these
Speaker 2: people's grandkids are still around.
Speaker 3: Apologies to you and Owen's Yeah, children.
Speaker 2: There's also children. I mean, this is like not knowing
Speaker 2: how to pronounce the name John or something right. You know,
Speaker 2: it's a pretty common name that we're talking here, but
Speaker 2: it's not one that made it over lasted very long
Speaker 2: in the diaspora.
Speaker 3: I will just say real quick, John might not be intuitive.
Speaker 3: There's that h in there sometimes.
Speaker 2: John Well John is shamous.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm a terrible Irish lady.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just absolutely the worst. It's almost like you've
Speaker 2: been separated from it by one hundred years of yes, bro,
Speaker 2: because of families having to leave, because of.
Speaker 3: Side all these things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Anyway, there's at least three of these conservative
Speaker 2: leaders who are like, we don't want to have the revolution.
Speaker 2: One of them gets kidnapped by his friends to shut
Speaker 2: them the fuck up. Well, they're like, you can't tell
Speaker 2: people not to come, and he's like, well, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: tell people not to come, and they're like, then we're
Speaker 2: fucking kidnapping you. And they treated him fine, and he
Speaker 2: was fine. I don't think he's happy about any of this,
Speaker 2: you know. And then the other thing that they did
Speaker 2: that was fucked up was the pro rising people sent
Speaker 2: around this fake leaked memo from Dublin Castle from the
Speaker 2: ruling colonial institution saying Hey, we're going to arrest all
Speaker 2: the rebel leaders. And so they were like, well, we
Speaker 2: have to rise up. They're going to arrest us. All
Speaker 2: our organizations are about to be destroyed. And everyone's like, oh, okay, well,
Speaker 2: I guess we got to do it otherwise we all
Speaker 2: get arrested. But what had happened it was a real
Speaker 2: memo that the colonial government had written in case of draft.
Speaker 2: Oh so if they had drafted the Irish, they were
Speaker 2: going to go around and arrest all of the leaders
Speaker 2: of the Nationalists and the Socialists. Okay, okay, But they
Speaker 2: got the hold of the of a leak memo because
Speaker 2: they had I mean, they infiltrated the shit out of
Speaker 2: all of us they were like, they're pretty.
Speaker 3: Legit, sure spies and whatnot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they went around they lied to their
Speaker 2: own side. That's the shitty I think that sucks.
Speaker 3: It's pretty shitty.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But because of all the fuckery, the rising didn't
Speaker 2: happen on Easter Sunday. In the end. I've read that
Speaker 2: it was to trick England. I've read that it was
Speaker 2: to recover from the cock up that Owen and the
Speaker 2: others had managed. I think basically they took a day
Speaker 2: off to figure out what the fuck to do. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Norah Connolly, one of James's daughters, showed up Easter morning
Speaker 2: and said, quote, is it true we're not going to fight?
Speaker 2: And her father told her quote, if we don't fight now,
Speaker 2: the only thing we can do is pray for an
Speaker 2: earthquake to come and swallow us up and our shame.
Speaker 2: So Conna wanted to fight.
Speaker 3: Connie wanted to fight, and earthquake didn't come.
Speaker 2: No, So I guess he fought.
Speaker 3: Juesse fought on Monday, bloody Monday. That's a call back
Speaker 3: to episode one sort of.
Speaker 2: That you too can make that you too can make.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And so it felt like now or never
Speaker 2: for the rebels. Basically, the way that they talked about
Speaker 2: it was that every generation had a chance to overthrow
Speaker 2: the government and end colonial rule, because that's about how
Speaker 2: it was going, right about once a generation people would
Speaker 2: be like, what if we do this thing? And wolf
Speaker 2: Tone shows up and tries to invade from France, and
Speaker 2: then they're like, what if we do this thing? And
Speaker 2: a guy with a bunch of dynamite goes over to
Speaker 2: London and they're like, well, what if we do this thing?
Speaker 2: You know? And so this was their thing, right and
Speaker 2: they were like, it will be another generation before we
Speaker 2: have a chance like we have right now. They're quite possibly, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: pretty much every history book has a favorite character they're
Speaker 2: rooting for. It's like one of the fun things you
Speaker 2: do when you read a history book is you're like,
Speaker 2: all right, what's the bias of this author?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: And then you have to be especially careful when the
Speaker 2: bias is the same as your bias, and so, like
Speaker 2: one of the main books that I read about this
Speaker 2: called nineteen sixteen by Kieran Allen. It's not a detailed
Speaker 2: analysis of the rising or even what came before it.
Speaker 2: It's more of an analysis of the political situation and
Speaker 2: what came after. But you can tell that a lot
Speaker 2: of people are rooting for Connolly and are rooting for
Speaker 2: the Socialists and then using Connolly as the stand in
Speaker 2: for all the Socialists, which is annoying. It's hard to
Speaker 2: tell exactly how it went down, but it seems likely
Speaker 2: this is just me laying out my bias and the
Speaker 2: biases some of the authors I'm reading. It seems really
Speaker 2: likely that the Socialists and or Connolly himself were like,
Speaker 2: you fucking cowards, we are not going to back down. Now,
Speaker 2: what the fuck are you even thinking and basically like
Speaker 2: chided them into committing staying, sticking with their commitments even
Speaker 2: though the conditions were not so good as they had
Speaker 2: been right. And this leads to these moments that are
Speaker 2: absolutely made for TV, made for movie moments where you know,
Speaker 2: a leader will be going around and be like, you know,
Speaker 2: all right, lads, of any of you, I can't do
Speaker 2: an Irish accent, I can't do any accents. If anyone
Speaker 2: want to leave, now there's the door, and then like
Speaker 2: no one would leave, and then they would be like, well,
Speaker 2: good on you, you know, yeah, And so then on
Speaker 2: Sunday Easter Sunday, they set up their provisional government. The
Speaker 2: poet Pierce was the President of the Irish Republic and
Speaker 2: the commander in chief of its army was the commandant
Speaker 2: of the Dublin Brigade. So Connelly was like militarily in
Speaker 2: charge of the Dublin part of the rising. Messengers went
Speaker 2: out everywhere, get your guns, get your bombs. Tomorrow it's
Speaker 2: fucking happening. But by tomorrow I mean Wednesday. For all
Speaker 2: you listeners.
Speaker 3: Wow, Oh she's a professional.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3: It is so exciting to see someone at the top
Speaker 3: of their game with the transitions. It snaps for Magpie snaps.
Speaker 3: It's poetry, poetry rivaling the greatest Irish poets.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I listen to other cool Zone media podcasts and
Speaker 2: whenever they like nail an ad break or like any
Speaker 2: other transition, I'm like, fuck, that's so good.
Speaker 3: So it's like such a little inside baseball for you
Speaker 3: got you folks at home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is.
Speaker 3: It's always like a strange part of the show. So
Speaker 3: you're trying to focus on the stuff that you want
Speaker 3: to get through, but you're trying to watch the clock
Speaker 3: and you've got these contractual obligations and you want to
Speaker 3: make it organic or as ridiculous as possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally anyway. But what's a totally organic transition is
Speaker 2: from that to you talking about your pluggables.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely organic. Our show is called some More News.
Speaker 3: That's the show I work for with Cody Johnston, and
Speaker 3: you can watch our YouTube channel. We've gotten new episodes
Speaker 3: every Wednesday. And then we've also got a podcast. A
Speaker 3: lot of people don't know that. A lot of people
Speaker 3: do know that. I know some people don't know that.
Speaker 2: I've heard.
Speaker 3: We also have a podcast, Margaret it's been on it
Speaker 3: called even More News, and so you can check me
Speaker 3: out on both of those things. End of sentence. Yeah,
Speaker 3: crushed it.
Speaker 2: When I was on even More News, I got a
Speaker 2: bunch of people writing me like my friends, my my
Speaker 2: actual irl friends being like, oh my god, that's amazing
Speaker 2: because they really like it.
Speaker 3: Really Yeah, that's lovely. It's very easy to think no
Speaker 3: one ever listens, especially.
Speaker 2: Except for people.
Speaker 3: Write into correct me, you know, or that hate women.
Speaker 3: I stay off of the social media is now so
Speaker 3: trying to insult me. Ha ha ha.
Speaker 2: Speaking of people who hate women. My other podcasts Live
Speaker 2: like the World is dying. I have another co host
Speaker 2: who's a non binary person who has a who speaks
Speaker 2: with vocal fry. Yeah, and which is a traditionally uh whatever,
Speaker 2: people who hate how women talk hate vocal fry. It's
Speaker 2: like a specific thing, you know. And the most recent
Speaker 2: review of on Apple podcasts have Lived like the World
Speaker 2: is Dying is like one star, the vocal fry is terrible,
Speaker 2: blah blah.
Speaker 1: Five star reviews to push that to the bottom, please
Speaker 1: it just it always really really lights me up a
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Speaker 3: Commitment to continuing the vocal fry the right whatever it
Speaker 3: is you find annoying. My favorite comment are things like
Speaker 3: I think I said this on one of these shows,
Speaker 3: some more news was better when Katie wasn't involved. You fuck,
Speaker 3: I started the show with it's never been I did
Speaker 3: say this last week, but you know, stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, most of our listeners are very kind and
Speaker 3: like our vocal fry, and.
Speaker 2: That actually just like points out that one of the
Speaker 2: reasons is nice to leave reviews or or when you
Speaker 2: talk about podcasts that you like publicly, it's nice because
Speaker 2: otherwise podcasting is a funny thing where even though a
Speaker 2: lot of people listen. It's like talking a little bit
Speaker 2: into a void. And so yeah, absolutely it is nice. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's my I guess that's my plug is that.
Speaker 2: I also a podcast called Love Like the World's Dying,
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Speaker 2: cool Zone Media? Hell yeah, Oh I vocal Fried people
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