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Speaker 1: Wol Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Cool People. Did Cool Stuff your

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Speaker 2: weekly podcast, twice weekly podcast, I weekly by weekly. But

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Speaker 2: see then it's confusing because it's like, are there more

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Speaker 2: than two genders and it's attracted to both of them?

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Speaker 2: Or is it only two genders that it's attracted to.

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Speaker 3: Like, I don't think that we have to put those

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Speaker 3: limitations on it, agreed, you know your Pan weekly podcast,

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Speaker 3: your Pan weekly podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy and my guest. You

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Speaker 2: all have probably guest hit God.

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Speaker 3: She's back. Yeah, I mean, like presumably you know by now,

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Speaker 3: because we've made it loud and clear that there are

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Speaker 3: four parts to this series that we are currently are

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Speaker 3: it's true embarking on Yeah, and this.

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Speaker 2: Is part three. But first you all have to meet

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Speaker 2: Sophie for the very first time. By Sophie So he's

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Speaker 2: the producer of the show.

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Speaker 3: Hi, so nice to meet you, Sophie. Let you talk, Yeah, Sophie,

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Speaker 3: might I just remark on that wonderful framed piece of

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Speaker 3: art behind you. Is that your great grandmother with Leonard Bernstein,

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Speaker 3: my great aunt. Thank you, your great aunt.

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Speaker 2: You're close.

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Speaker 3: It looks great. She just hint a piece of art.

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Speaker 3: It looks great.

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Speaker 2: It does look good.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Houseplant game for everyone on this screen except me, and

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Speaker 2: is on point. All my house plants are not in

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Speaker 2: my office. I'm thinking I need to correct that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's nice to have something in your office space. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: re mind you of life, something green like ire Lynn.

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Speaker 3: That works. It works.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, although it wasn't the right place because first we

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Speaker 2: have to say that the audio was engineered by Daniel.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's to say hi to Daniel.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Danel, Danel, Hello, Hi, that's Daniel, Hey Daniel.

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Speaker 2: Our theme music was written for Vice Unwoman and part

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Speaker 2: three of four parter. Sometimes you will message me and

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Speaker 2: are like, but I wait till all of them are out,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, you're going to have to wait

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Speaker 2: longer with four parts. And that's the I don't have

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Speaker 2: a lot of power to exert in my life, but

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Speaker 2: that's one of the powers. I So where we last

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Speaker 2: left our heroes, two separate vines of Irish independence were

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Speaker 2: starting to intertwine, and both were growing thorns. I spent

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Speaker 2: way too long reading Irish poetry. Beautiful thank you. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I thought it would go well with the way that

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Speaker 2: the Irish always talked about the revolution. You've got the nationalists,

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Speaker 2: most remembered by Patrick Pierce, who are all about Irish culture,

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Speaker 2: lots of poets and playwrights and school teachers and all

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Speaker 2: of that. And then they have the Irish Volunteers, the

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Speaker 2: larger military organization with Kum and Nabah, the Women's Council

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Speaker 2: that operates as a somewhat independent women's auxiliary to it.

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Speaker 2: The other vine are the socialists, most remembered through James. Finally,

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Speaker 2: they're all about workers control the means of production. They're

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Speaker 2: doing it in a very specifically Irish way. They're deviating

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Speaker 2: from classical Marxism and British Marxism on a bunch of points.

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Speaker 2: They don't reject religion as kind of the biggest one

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Speaker 2: into the dictatorship of the proletariat, but instead creating a

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Speaker 2: socialist republic rather than a socialist dictatorship of the proletariat.

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Speaker 2: Their way into the cooperative movement. They like co ops

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Speaker 2: and shit, not necessarily like the bougie food ones, but

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Speaker 2: they're more overall, they're into some of that but they're

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Speaker 3: So yeah, me too, And I'm wondering if that's my

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I'm also more into that, Brandy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it just like it works for me. It's

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Speaker 2: a way more democratic form of yeah, overall, I would say.

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Speaker 2: And they have their own militant organization, the smaller and

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Speaker 2: I read a lot of different stuff about women's involvement

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Speaker 2: have always bled into each other. Patrick Pierce supported unions

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Speaker 2: even though he wasn't a socialist, and he was also

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Speaker 3: I like that, an interesting juxtaposition of what you would

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Speaker 2: Okay, totally, And he's he's he's an interesting I'm not

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Speaker 2: very masculinist attitude around what Irish men could be, okay,

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Speaker 2: And so then on the other side, the Socialists were

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Speaker 3: Oh cool. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And there are real ideological and organizational differences between the two,

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Speaker 2: The Nationalists are a bit less radical, and plenty of

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Speaker 2: them are like, well, home rule would be okay, right,

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Speaker 2: the fuck it would be. Yeah, we're fighting for some

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Speaker 3: I mean so many. I don't know, I don't know

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Speaker 3: where were we going with this.

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Speaker 2: I know it's always a setup. World War one. We're

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Which is still my favorite joke in the world

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Speaker 2: is that when they named it World War one, they

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. So the Great War hits and home rule

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Speaker 2: And because the Irish volunteers were there to protect Home rule,

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Speaker 3: No, this is messy and complicated, is what it is. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Because this other big thing is going on and it

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Speaker 2: But totally but yeah. And also one of the reasons

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Speaker 2: World War One is like one of the nastiest pieces

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Speaker 2: I'm good, yeah and sold, yeah exactly. And so the

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Speaker 3: Interesting thing to note for all of ourselves at all times, and.

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Speaker 2: Like right now, yeah, I know, right, And so a

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Speaker 2: to do the other most traditional Irish thing in the world, emigrate.

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Speaker 2: But then England was like, you know, I guess something else,

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Speaker 2: A ton of people left Ireland to get away from

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Speaker 2: just all the horrors that were happening.

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Speaker 3: I guess this is when my family emigrated.

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Speaker 2: I want to know the.

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Speaker 1: Fill in the blank that you were thinking on your

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Speaker 1: mad loosind just like drinking, I still procreating, fucking.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Irish so I can say all of that too,

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Speaker 3: It, yeah, exactly, you know, we all filled in those

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Speaker 3: on fills. Have you been to one of my family reunions?

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Speaker 2: And then our countess she's just like, well, I'm just

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Speaker 2: And then an old Irish nationalist from the past generation

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Speaker 2: of eighty three. But if you don't want to die prematurely, Katie,

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Speaker 2: you should buy all of the products, which, whether or

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Speaker 2: not they advertise it, also include the property of making

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Speaker 3: Immortal Okay, so hmm, what if that sounds bad? I

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, but you know what, hey, compound interest is

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Speaker 2: your friend. If you're immortal. There's no draculas, right, there's

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Speaker 3: And I guess if I'm I'm immortal, I probably I'm

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Speaker 3: not going to be racking up a big hospital bill. No,

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Speaker 3: no health insurance. Probably the blood well, we can take

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, good because some other ideas in mind.

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Speaker 3: All right, you know what I'm sold right on?

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Speaker 2: The products and services here they are the key to immortality.

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Speaker 3: And we're back. Oh I feel great and youthful forever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I already bought and consumed all my products and services.

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Speaker 3: It'd be really cool if it was like like a

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Speaker 2: Forever. I hope it's skincare because that's the closest.

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Speaker 3: Is the closest, just like a really nice mineral sunscreen AD.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, full support. It's just the concept of wearing sunscreen

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Speaker 3: The concept you by the concept I bring this all

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Speaker 1: Are you staying home is it cloudy outside but you're

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Speaker 3: You should be inside your house.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Katie on Kadi just switched on am moisturizer

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm not gonna argue against it. I sometimes

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Speaker 2: So Jeremiah O'Donovan Rosa Jeremiah Donovan Rosa was born in

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Speaker 2: but he survives that. When in prison, at one point

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Speaker 2: So he's not, oh, Jeremiah, he's not a what he

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Speaker 3: So he couldn't serve. They took it away, give it

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Speaker 2: and I don't. I'm not even paraphrasing him entirely making

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00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 2: up that exchange, and then he went to America. He also,

436
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,159
Speaker 2: over the course of his life, had eighteen kids, by

437
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 2: three different wives, because his first two wives died young.

438
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 3: Okay, bringing a background the Irish, Yeah, they love their

439
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 3: fucking yeah.

440
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 2: Catholicism is all of a drug, unlike prophylactics. While he

441
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 2: was in exile, he was only allowed to return to

442
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 2: Ireland for like short visits. I think he got to

443
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 2: visit twice for like brief moments. And then he died

444
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifteen, and the Easter Rising was already being

445
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 2: planned and then here's this famous rebel who had died.

446
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 2: So the rebels wrote the US and they a lot

447
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 2: of them like knew him, right. One of the people

448
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 2: who's going to get killed, executed at the end of

449
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,360
Speaker 2: the Easter Rising is one of the guys who took

450
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 2: the dynamite and went to London a generation prior, you know.

451
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 2: So they're like, hey, give us the body. He's dead

452
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 2: now he can come home in England's like fine, fuck you,

453
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 2: And so his remains are shipped home to Ireland and

454
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 2: tens of thousands of people came to his funeral and

455
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 2: the various revolutionists gave speeches from his graveside, but the

456
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 2: most famous one is by Patrick Pierce, and I'm gonna

457
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 2: quote part of it. Life springs from death, and from

458
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 2: the graves of patriot men and women spring living nations.

459
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: They think they have pacified Ireland, They think that they

460
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 2: have foreseen everything, think they have provided against everything. But

461
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 2: the fools, the fools, the fools they have left us

462
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 2: Arephenian dead. And while Ireland holds these graves, Ireland unfree

463
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 2: shall never be at peace.

464
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 3: That's beautiful.

465
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 2: I know. More poets in the revolution, please and not

466
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 2: where you think your job is just poet.

467
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 3: Side note, this is not to stay in a sorry,

468
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 3: really funny you cut up slightly for me. As the

469
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 3: weather just hit in my mountain. Okay, wind and hail

470
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 3: just started coming down.

471
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa, I just keep that in, but all right,

472
00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: keep it in. That last, Ireland unfree shall never be

473
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 2: at peace is the most quoted part of this. And

474
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: what's wild to think about is it holds true even

475
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: today because throughout the whole twentieth century and the troubles,

476
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 2: like the reason that the troubles continued is Ireland not

477
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: being free yet?

478
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 3: Yeah?

479
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the rank and file of the including the

480
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 2: non military parts of the Irish Republican Brotherhood, and like

481
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: a lot of people in the volunteers and stuff. They

482
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 2: don't know the details of the rising, and at this

483
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 2: point Connolly and the Socialists don't know about the rising.

484
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 2: But everyone is training, everyone's getting ready, everyone can feel it.

485
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 2: There's something in the air. And soon enough, England, Wales

486
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 2: and Scotland all have the draft to get into World

487
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 2: War One because people aren't, for some weird reason volunteering

488
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 2: to go get mowed down by a machine gun. Weird,

489
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: I know, cowards, I know. But speaking of cowards, the

490
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 2: English were too nervous to conscript the Irish. Oh, cowards,

491
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: and they were like they they're considering it, right, but

492
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: it's like harder because Ireland is kind of fighty and

493
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: keeps up. Maybe they don't always want to give all

494
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 2: the Irish guns. And you know, although actually you have

495
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: this interesting thing where a lot of the militia trainings

496
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 2: the government let happen, right, because you're like, how are

497
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: all these people getting all these guns and running around

498
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 2: in the woods and shooting practice stuff. And the answer

499
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 2: is that one when England was considering giving home rule,

500
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 2: the Ulster volunteers, the right wing ones, they were preparing

501
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 2: to fight against England. So they actually the English actually

502
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 2: believed that the Irish volunteers would have a right to

503
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 2: self defense to defend home rule against the militia, which

504
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 2: is interesting. And then the Irish citizen army by this point,

505
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 2: you know, World War one's hitting and like England's like, well,

506
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 2: we don't mind those people that were considering drafting knowing

507
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: how to shoot. You know, it's messy, it's so messy.

508
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 3: It's messy. Yeah, I'm I mean, we talked about this

509
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 3: in the first two it's complicated. It's hard to keep

510
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 3: some of these threads straight. But yeah, especially with the

511
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 3: other war.

512
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so a lot of the volunteers because volunteers

513
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: don't know there's an uprising plan, right, no one knows

514
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 2: this except like, I think it's five people at this point,

515
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. So they're practicing because they know that

516
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 2: they're going to have an uprising if the draft is called,

517
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: and they're like, all right, if they try to draft us,

518
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 2: we'll fight back. And now James Connelly, the socialist guy,

519
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: he doesn't know about the rising yet, and he's basically

520
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: like he's hanging out with the nationalists. He's like, y'all

521
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: gonna fucking start this thing, or do I gotta do it,

522
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: like what the fuck? Like yeah, and so the volunteers

523
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 2: are like, all right, better bring them on board and

524
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 2: to our plan because otherwise they're just gonna do it

525
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 2: without us. Yeah, and it'll fuck everything else.

526
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 3: There's some like basic level communication that needs to happen

527
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 3: in order for this to be effective. Yeah.

528
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 2: And so they recruited Connolly to be on their like

529
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: Supreme Council or whatever, the like the hidden body that

530
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: was planning the rising, and they bring on two more

531
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: people and so they it's I think up to seven

532
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 2: people now on the like not many people hidden Revolutionary

533
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 2: Council or whatever. Yeah. So the ICA, the Irish Citizen Army,

534
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 2: they join with the ivy the volunteers, and some of

535
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 2: the Citizen's Army quit over this. They're like, we are

536
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: fucking Marxist revolutionaries. We're not fighting alongside capitalists. That's not

537
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: what we're doing here, you know. And if you ever

538
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: want to hate yourself and the left, you can spend

539
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 2: your time now. One hundred and eight years later, reading

540
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 2: analyses from different Marxists about why the Irish were bad

541
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: for supporting the Irish Volunteers and how they weren't suitably

542
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: Marxist in this way or that way.

543
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 3: Foot cringe inside, and it's like, it's not that I

544
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: inherently disagree with the philosophy of like, oh, I can't

545
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 3: like a firm line in the sand capitalists are but

546
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 3: but like the context of situations bigger than right again, priorities.

547
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 3: Let's get through this first part and then we can

548
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 3: start figuring out we just tend to cannibalize each other sometimes.

549
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, absolutely, and like I get it. I get

550
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 2: quitting over that, and I'm not mad at the people

551
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 2: quit over it. I'm only mad at the like later

552
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: armchair like yeah, yeah, you know, it's the principal people.

553
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 3: Fine, It's like I can't actually be mad at strong principles,

554
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 3: and I'm not, you know.

555
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. So everyone's getting ready now, right, the two sides

556
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: have essentially joined with each other. And the volunteers are like, hey,

557
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: on Easter this year, everyone should get ready for three

558
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: days of parades and maneuvers and training exercises in public,

559
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: like as a big show of force, you know. And

560
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: then people are like maneuvers, how do you spell maneuvers?

561
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: And no one got it right, least of all Margaret

562
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: while writing this script and I was like, please don't

563
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: ask me to spell it right now. No, No, it's

564
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 2: not even spelled correctly in my notes here. And then

565
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: to make it worse, I think this is a British

566
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,719
Speaker 2: versus English and I don't know it's all from French anyway.

567
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: I can't even spell the bourgeoisie. That's why I hate them. Actually,

568
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 2: sometimes I spell bourgeoisie correctly, and I feel like it's

569
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 2: like I feel like I've like sold out that I

570
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: noticed this point somehow. I'm yeah, I spent too much

571
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 2: of my life thinking about this that I can fucking

572
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: box spell They're winning.

573
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

574
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 2: I've probably told this story before, but one time I

575
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: made this pin and it said death the bourgeoisie, and

576
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: it was like a guy with a little machine gun.

577
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: It was kind of ironic, and it was a little

578
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 2: bit like you know, and then like and my friend

579
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: looked at it and was like, that says death to

580
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: the rich women. Because because there's three ways of spelling

581
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: boot there's bourgeois and then there's bourgeois z and there's

582
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: one version that's gender inclusive and one version it's just women.

583
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: And I had spelled it wrong, but the spell check

584
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: had passed it because it was a real word. Because

585
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: it was a real word. Well, smart Garet, Yeah, and

586
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: so I'm real glad that I didn't put together a

587
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: kill the lady's pin with a man with a machine

588
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: gun on it, which is part of the lesson around

589
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: militant rhetoric that you use ironically anyway. So they have

590
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: this cover story, this is what was told to the

591
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: volunteers right Easter Sunday. We're all going to go around

592
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: to a parade. After all, they have a German boat

593
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: full of guns with five thousand or twenty thousand rifles

594
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: depending on which source you read, and the million rounds

595
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: of AMMO on its way. So they're like, we're going

596
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 2: to do this fucking thing. And they're there less feisty

597
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: leaders than the volunteers I was talking about, who aren't

598
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 2: excited about the rising unless it's spurred on by a draft.

599
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: There's one guy history doesn't remember him particularly kindly, and

600
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: his name is Owen McNeil, and he's the chief of

601
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: staff of the volunteers, but he's not in the Supreme

602
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: Council or whatever the fuck, and when he finds out

603
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,719
Speaker 2: about the rising, he only finds out kind of at

604
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 2: the last minute, and he's like, are you fucking kidding me?

605
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: We can't do this. And then they're like, look, we've

606
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: already got all these guns coming, like come on, just

607
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: let us do this man, you know, and he's like,

608
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 2: all right, if the guns show up, we can do it.

609
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: But if the guns don't show up, we got to

610
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: call the whole thing off. The guns don't show up.

611
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: I've read a couple different accounts of this whatever as

612
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: best as I can tell. You know, you have this

613
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: boat coming over from Germany with all these guns on it,

614
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 2: in a million rounds of ammunition and shit, right, and

615
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: a German boat getting it, and they're like pretending to

616
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 2: be Norwegian to get past all this shit. And so

617
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: the Irish go to go meet it. But these three

618
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: three Irish folks are in a car and they're driving

619
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: without headlights on, like the coast of Ireland to not

620
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: get caught. They have their headlights off and they just

621
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: take a turn wrong and they fall into the ocean

622
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: and drowned, and so no one's there to meet the ship.

623
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: So then the English show up and the German captain

624
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: has to like blow the ship and sink it. Meanwhile,

625
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 2: Roger Casement, the gay anti colonial knight who I love.

626
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: He shows up the next day and it's like all

627
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: too late, it's all fucking over, and he gets arrested

628
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 2: and he aw man he is never a free man again.

629
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 3: This goes from bad to worse.

630
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 2: I know, I know that does Easter Rising does not

631
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: start or end? Well, it only after the end goes well,

632
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: you know, it's a bumber. So he's the last, first

633
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: arrested and the last executed of the Easter Rising martyrs.

634
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: And the guns don't arrive, and so Owen is like, fuck, no,

635
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: the revolution is off. We only have like two thousand guns.

636
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: We can't fucking do it, and he writes all over

637
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: the country, Hey everyone, the parades and maneuvers are canceled.

638
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 2: And he's such a fucking asshole. He probably spells maneuvers, right,

639
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: That's how a bastard this man is. I have no

640
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: idea anyway. So he does this because he thinks he's

641
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: in charge, and then he finds out he's not as

642
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 2: in charge as he thought he was because he tries

643
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: to call it off. But you know what does arrive always,

644
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: like the sun coming over the horizon, is ad breaks

645
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: it's ad breaks inside your favorite shows.

646
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 3: I really, honestly should have guessed that, given the fact

647
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 3: that we just had those ads, your entire demeanor, changing

648
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 3: your tone of voice. Yeah, but I didn't, and I

649
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 3: was surprised. And now I'm going to be delighted and

650
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 3: surprised by these ads.

651
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: I know, totally gonna listen to him. That's what I

652
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: do with ads. I listened to them all way, instead

653
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: of using easy mechanical conveniences like skipping forward. Here they

654
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 2: go and we're back.

655
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 3: Great ads. I can a few sets of wonderful ads. Boy,

656
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 3: I know.

657
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: So Owen does not manage to successfully call off the revolution,

658
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 2: he manages to fuck it up Owen, because there's this

659
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: old quote that I think I have quote on the

660
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: show before, and I always forget the name of the

661
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: German guy who made this quote from a long ast

662
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 2: time ago, but he is this quote, those who make

663
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 2: half a revolution dig their own graves. And the guy

664
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: who like made that quote, like I think, died as

665
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 2: a result of his imprisonment at a fairly young age

666
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 2: for his advocacy of anti capitalist revolution, so he knew

667
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 2: what he was talking about. Yeah, but that's what Owen did.

668
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: Owen showed up to dig everyone's grave by trying to

669
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 2: make half a revolution. It was it's too late to

670
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: call it off, and he tried anyway between the fuck

671
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: up with the guns and oh and chickening out and

672
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: fucking up the initial muster, Who knows what happened if

673
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 2: it actually worked out, because they still managed a lot.

674
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the point in time where you double down,

675
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 3: where you try to find you can't put the you

676
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 3: can't stop the train. Yeah, so instead you got to

677
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 3: figure out other ways to you know, I would love

678
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 3: to be quick and sharp enough to continue with the

679
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 3: train analogy, but find other ways to get the guns. Yeah, totally,

680
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 3: much like trains need guns, much like guns. I don't know,

681
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:38,959
Speaker 3: you guys get it. Pretend that was clever.

682
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, And even more than the guns, they needed everyone

683
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 2: to show rights.

684
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 3: To be there, not to be confused as to whether

685
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 3: or not the party was canceled due to weather or not.

686
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: Right exactly, It's like, yeah, some people still come even

687
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 2: though it's raining, and then everyone has a terrible time

688
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:56,959
Speaker 2: because the person who was supposed to bring tents didn't

689
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: come because it was posed raining And to be fair,

690
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: whenever there's like a supreme council that's deciding how a

691
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: bunch of people live and die. It's like, not great, right, And.

692
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 3: Don't call yourself supreme council. I think is good too.

693
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 2: I think they might have had a different name, and

694
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: I can't remember right now. I can't remember whether ironically

695
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: I called it supreme council when I first wrote this.

696
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 3: I'm just going to be mad at them about it.

697
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, fuck them. But disclaimer on this part. So there's

698
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: some sketchiness all around on this. Owen wasn't alone in

699
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 2: trying to call the whole thing off. He's the one who,

700
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 2: much like we have a great Man of history, where

701
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 2: everyone's too lazy to remember Molt. I never remember any names,

702
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: so that's why I don't remember one person's name. Owen

703
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: wasn't the only person, but he's the name that everyone remembers,

704
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: and I'll remember. I reason I remember it is I

705
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 2: had to look up how to pronounce it because it's EO.

706
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 3: I n okay, so that might be Ewen. I don't

707
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 3: know e Owen. You're probably rightoh, I looked it up.

708
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 3: I looked it up fairly quickly. But I'm gonna keep

709
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 3: calling it Owen, and I'm yeah, sound off with the

710
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: garments if we got it right or wrong.

711
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's what I love. I love when people

712
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: correct me.

713
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: It's not alive. I don't think he cares, and I

714
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: don't think his children are alive or his children's children.

715
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 2: His children's children actually probably alive. A lot of these

716
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 2: people's grandkids are still around.

717
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 3: Apologies to you and Owen's Yeah, children.

718
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 2: There's also children. I mean, this is like not knowing

719
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: how to pronounce the name John or something right. You know,

720
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 2: it's a pretty common name that we're talking here, but

721
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: it's not one that made it over lasted very long

722
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 2: in the diaspora.

723
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 3: I will just say real quick, John might not be intuitive.

724
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: There's that h in there sometimes.

725
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: John Well John is shamous.

726
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm a terrible Irish lady.

727
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just absolutely the worst. It's almost like you've

728
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: been separated from it by one hundred years of yes, bro,

729
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 2: because of families having to leave, because of.

730
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 3: Side all these things.

731
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Anyway, there's at least three of these conservative

732
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 2: leaders who are like, we don't want to have the revolution.

733
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: One of them gets kidnapped by his friends to shut

734
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 2: them the fuck up. Well, they're like, you can't tell

735
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: people not to come, and he's like, well, I'm gonna

736
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: tell people not to come, and they're like, then we're

737
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: fucking kidnapping you. And they treated him fine, and he

738
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: was fine. I don't think he's happy about any of this,

739
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 2: you know. And then the other thing that they did

740
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: that was fucked up was the pro rising people sent

741
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: around this fake leaked memo from Dublin Castle from the

742
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: ruling colonial institution saying Hey, we're going to arrest all

743
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 2: the rebel leaders. And so they were like, well, we

744
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: have to rise up. They're going to arrest us. All

745
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 2: our organizations are about to be destroyed. And everyone's like, oh, okay, well,

746
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: I guess we got to do it otherwise we all

747
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: get arrested. But what had happened it was a real

748
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 2: memo that the colonial government had written in case of draft.

749
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: Oh so if they had drafted the Irish, they were

750
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 2: going to go around and arrest all of the leaders

751
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: of the Nationalists and the Socialists. Okay, okay, But they

752
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: got the hold of the of a leak memo because

753
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: they had I mean, they infiltrated the shit out of

754
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: all of us they were like, they're pretty.

755
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 3: Legit, sure spies and whatnot.

756
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they went around they lied to their

757
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 2: own side. That's the shitty I think that sucks.

758
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 3: It's pretty shitty.

759
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. But because of all the fuckery, the rising didn't

760
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: happen on Easter Sunday. In the end. I've read that

761
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: it was to trick England. I've read that it was

762
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 2: to recover from the cock up that Owen and the

763
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: others had managed. I think basically they took a day

764
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 2: off to figure out what the fuck to do. Yeah.

765
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 2: Norah Connolly, one of James's daughters, showed up Easter morning

766
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 2: and said, quote, is it true we're not going to fight?

767
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: And her father told her quote, if we don't fight now,

768
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: the only thing we can do is pray for an

769
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: earthquake to come and swallow us up and our shame.

770
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 2: So Conna wanted to fight.

771
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 3: Connie wanted to fight, and earthquake didn't come.

772
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,439
Speaker 2: No, So I guess he fought.

773
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 3: Juesse fought on Monday, bloody Monday. That's a call back

774
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 3: to episode one sort of.

775
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 2: That you too can make that you too can make.

776
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And so it felt like now or never

777
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 2: for the rebels. Basically, the way that they talked about

778
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: it was that every generation had a chance to overthrow

779
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 2: the government and end colonial rule, because that's about how

780
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: it was going, right about once a generation people would

781
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,479
Speaker 2: be like, what if we do this thing? And wolf

782
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 2: Tone shows up and tries to invade from France, and

783
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: then they're like, what if we do this thing? And

784
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: a guy with a bunch of dynamite goes over to

785
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: London and they're like, well, what if we do this thing?

786
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: You know? And so this was their thing, right and

787
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 2: they were like, it will be another generation before we

788
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: have a chance like we have right now. They're quite possibly, right, Yeah,

789
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 2: pretty much every history book has a favorite character they're

790
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: rooting for. It's like one of the fun things you

791
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 2: do when you read a history book is you're like,

792
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 2: all right, what's the bias of this author?

793
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 3: Right?

794
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: And then you have to be especially careful when the

795
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: bias is the same as your bias, and so, like

796
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: one of the main books that I read about this

797
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: called nineteen sixteen by Kieran Allen. It's not a detailed

798
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 2: analysis of the rising or even what came before it.

799
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 2: It's more of an analysis of the political situation and

800
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: what came after. But you can tell that a lot

801
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: of people are rooting for Connolly and are rooting for

802
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: the Socialists and then using Connolly as the stand in

803
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: for all the Socialists, which is annoying. It's hard to

804
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 2: tell exactly how it went down, but it seems likely

805
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 2: this is just me laying out my bias and the

806
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 2: biases some of the authors I'm reading. It seems really

807
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: likely that the Socialists and or Connolly himself were like,

808
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: you fucking cowards, we are not going to back down. Now,

809
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: what the fuck are you even thinking and basically like

810
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 2: chided them into committing staying, sticking with their commitments even

811
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 2: though the conditions were not so good as they had

812
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: been right. And this leads to these moments that are

813
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 2: absolutely made for TV, made for movie moments where you know,

814
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: a leader will be going around and be like, you know,

815
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 2: all right, lads, of any of you, I can't do

816
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 2: an Irish accent, I can't do any accents. If anyone

817
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: want to leave, now there's the door, and then like

818
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 2: no one would leave, and then they would be like, well,

819
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 2: good on you, you know, yeah, And so then on

820
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 2: Sunday Easter Sunday, they set up their provisional government. The

821
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: poet Pierce was the President of the Irish Republic and

822
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: the commander in chief of its army was the commandant

823
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 2: of the Dublin Brigade. So Connelly was like militarily in

824
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 2: charge of the Dublin part of the rising. Messengers went

825
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 2: out everywhere, get your guns, get your bombs. Tomorrow it's

826
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: fucking happening. But by tomorrow I mean Wednesday. For all

827
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: you listeners.

828
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 3: Wow, Oh she's a professional.

829
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, thank you.

830
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 3: It is so exciting to see someone at the top

831
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: of their game with the transitions. It snaps for Magpie snaps.

832
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 3: It's poetry, poetry rivaling the greatest Irish poets.

833
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 2: Sometimes I listen to other cool Zone media podcasts and

834
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 2: whenever they like nail an ad break or like any

835
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,959
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836
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 3: So it's like such a little inside baseball for you

837
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 3: got you folks at home.

838
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is.

839
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 3: It's always like a strange part of the show. So

840
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 3: you're trying to focus on the stuff that you want

841
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 3: to get through, but you're trying to watch the clock

842
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 3: and you've got these contractual obligations and you want to

843
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 3: make it organic or as ridiculous as possible.

844
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally anyway. But what's a totally organic transition is

845
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: from that to you talking about your pluggables.

846
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely organic. Our show is called some More News.

847
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: That's the show I work for with Cody Johnston, and

848
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 3: you can watch our YouTube channel. We've gotten new episodes

849
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 3: every Wednesday. And then we've also got a podcast. A

850
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 3: lot of people don't know that. A lot of people

851
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 3: do know that. I know some people don't know that.

852
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 2: I've heard.

853
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 3: We also have a podcast, Margaret it's been on it

854
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 3: called even More News, and so you can check me

855
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 3: out on both of those things. End of sentence. Yeah,

856
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: crushed it.

857
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: When I was on even More News, I got a

858
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: bunch of people writing me like my friends, my my

859
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: actual irl friends being like, oh my god, that's amazing

860
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: because they really like it.

861
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 3: Really Yeah, that's lovely. It's very easy to think no

862
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 3: one ever listens, especially.

863
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 2: Except for people.

864
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Speaker 3: Write into correct me, you know, or that hate women.

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Speaker 3: I stay off of the social media is now so

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Speaker 3: trying to insult me. Ha ha ha.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of people who hate women. My other podcasts Live

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Speaker 2: like the World is dying. I have another co host

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Speaker 2: who's a non binary person who has a who speaks

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Speaker 2: with vocal fry. Yeah, and which is a traditionally uh whatever,

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Speaker 2: people who hate how women talk hate vocal fry. It's

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Speaker 2: like a specific thing, you know. And the most recent

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Speaker 2: review of on Apple podcasts have Lived like the World

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Speaker 2: is Dying is like one star, the vocal fry is terrible,

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Speaker 2: blah blah.

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Speaker 1: Five star reviews to push that to the bottom, please

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Speaker 1: it just it always really really lights me up a

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Speaker 1: flame of fury and.

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Speaker 3: Commitment to continuing the vocal fry the right whatever it

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Speaker 3: is you find annoying. My favorite comment are things like

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Speaker 3: I think I said this on one of these shows,

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Speaker 3: some more news was better when Katie wasn't involved. You fuck,

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Speaker 3: I started the show with it's never been I did

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Speaker 3: say this last week, but you know, stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, most of our listeners are very kind and

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Speaker 3: like our vocal fry, and.

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Speaker 2: That actually just like points out that one of the

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Speaker 2: reasons is nice to leave reviews or or when you

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Speaker 2: talk about podcasts that you like publicly, it's nice because

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Speaker 2: otherwise podcasting is a funny thing where even though a

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Speaker 2: lot of people listen. It's like talking a little bit

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Speaker 2: into a void. And so yeah, absolutely it is nice. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and that's my I guess that's my plug is that.

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Speaker 2: I also a podcast called Love Like the World's Dying,

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Speaker 2: Individual and Community Preparedness Sophie. What do you got at

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Speaker 2: cool Zone Media? Hell yeah, Oh I vocal Fried people

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Speaker 2: are gonna get mad. See you on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production of

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Speaker 1: cool Zone Media. For more podcasts from cool Zone Media,

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Speaker 1: visit our website Coolzonemedia dot com, or check us out

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Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app, app a Podcasts, or wherever you

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Speaker 1: get your podcasts.