WEBVTT - Death Row Inmate Released After 29 Years, 9 Execution Dates and 3 Last Meals

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, the folks, it is Friday, May fifteenth, and he

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<v Speaker 1>had nine different execution dates. He was served three last meals,

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<v Speaker 1>but yesterday he walked out of prison. Welcome to this

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<v Speaker 1>what in the World episode of Amy and TJ just

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<v Speaker 1>to hear that why what?

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<v Speaker 2>It is a remarkable story that is far from over,

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<v Speaker 2>but twenty nine years in the making. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>sixty three year old Richard Glossip. He was freed from

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<v Speaker 2>an Oklahoma jail on Thursday on a five hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars bond to much fanfare. There was cheering, there was crying,

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<v Speaker 2>tears of joy, My god, nearly three decades behind bars

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<v Speaker 2>waiting to die, and he came close multiple times a.

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<v Speaker 1>Bunch of times. We're gonna get into some of these instances,

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<v Speaker 1>but we are not overstating that he did have execution

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<v Speaker 1>dates set nine different times. He did have a last

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<v Speaker 1>meal several times. Get into how close he came on

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<v Speaker 1>one of those occasions, Robes to being executed, but he

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<v Speaker 1>is breathing free air today. This story and Robe. We

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<v Speaker 1>watch a lot of trials, and this is why we

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<v Speaker 1>see judges take attorneys to task for mistakes they make

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<v Speaker 1>anything that could lead to a possible mistrial or bring

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<v Speaker 1>this into question and Robes to think that mistake like

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<v Speaker 1>this is unconscionable, that this should be allowed. And somebody

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<v Speaker 1>was on death row this long based on something Robes,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like was easily fixable in the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Look this even sounds like prosecutorial misconduct, is what it

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like. And look this case. Glossop's case has garnered

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<v Speaker 2>international attention. If his name sounds familiar at all, or

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<v Speaker 2>his case sounds familiar at all, it may be because

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<v Speaker 2>Kim Kardashian has been on X talking about this case

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<v Speaker 2>for years now. Susan Sarandon, doctor Phil, you got celebrities

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<v Speaker 2>surrounding this man proclaiming his innocence and frustrated that they

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't get anyone to do anything about it until now.

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<v Speaker 1>And what's being done now? And we should make clear

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<v Speaker 1>he is on death row. But he was never accused

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<v Speaker 1>of killing anybody with his own hand, is what we

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<v Speaker 1>are talking about. This is a murder for higher situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he was accused and convicted twice of being the

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<v Speaker 2>mastermind in the brutal beating death of his boss where

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<v Speaker 2>he worked at a motel there in Oklahoma, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was actually in twenty twenty five, so it was last year.

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<v Speaker 2>The Supreme Court throughout that conviction, but he still had

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<v Speaker 2>to remain behind bars. They would not let him out

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<v Speaker 2>on bail until yesterday, where a judge said, the court

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<v Speaker 2>finds it cannot deny bail to Glossip based on a

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<v Speaker 2>letter they found from twenty twenty three three written and

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<v Speaker 2>signed by the Oklahoma Attorney General acknowledging that the evidence

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<v Speaker 2>that was presented against him, now now that they understand

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<v Speaker 2>the full scope of it, quote does not support that

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<v Speaker 2>he is guilty of first degree murder beyond a reasonable doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>So the judge said, if you actually are acknowledging that,

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<v Speaker 2>how can you possibly justify keeping him behind bars while

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<v Speaker 2>he awaits this third trial, And so he ordered bond

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<v Speaker 2>to be set.

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<v Speaker 1>This is an argument for why we should get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of the death helding this man got that close to death.

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<v Speaker 1>The mistakes get made, and maybe even well meaning people,

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<v Speaker 1>but oftentimes we see sometimes robes they're not well meaning.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a very good argument. We got so close

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<v Speaker 1>to getting this wrong. Now, is this man innocent? That

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<v Speaker 1>don't know? I do not know that. But according to

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<v Speaker 1>the courts, right now, Robes, he is because the conviction

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<v Speaker 1>was actually thrown out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the Supreme Court of the United States tossed out

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<v Speaker 2>his conviction and his death sentence in February of twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five. And look, I don't know how the system works.

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<v Speaker 2>But June of twenty twenty five, another judge said, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>you still can't get out.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>And now finally he was released yesterday. He has a

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<v Speaker 2>GPS ankle monitor, he has a ten pm to seven

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<v Speaker 2>am curfew. He can't have any contact with any potential witnesses,

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<v Speaker 2>the victims' family members. But he is free for the

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<v Speaker 2>first time in three decades.

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<v Speaker 1>They say they're going to retry on Robes. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>they are ill. I guess they will, But this is Robes.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a scary, scary story. We've hear heard some

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<v Speaker 1>of exonerations before, but to hear how many times they

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<v Speaker 1>tried and how close they got to killing him to

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<v Speaker 1>now to a point where well, we can say we're

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<v Speaker 1>leaning more in the direction of that we almost killed

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<v Speaker 1>an innocent man.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, that is very much where a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people stand, and it could be proven to be true.

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<v Speaker 2>He was convicted in nineteen ninety eight. Get your head

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<v Speaker 2>around that for the nineteen ninety seven murder of his

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<v Speaker 2>former boss, an Oklahoma City motel owner. His boss's name

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<v Speaker 2>was Barry Van Trees, and Van Trees's actual killer and

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<v Speaker 2>admitted killer, his name is Justin Snead. He was nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>years old at the time. And what he basically did

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<v Speaker 2>is he walked into a room in the motel room

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<v Speaker 2>one oh two and beat Van Trees to death with

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<v Speaker 2>a baseball bat.

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<v Speaker 3>Justin Snead was on the property.

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<v Speaker 2>He was basically given a motel room in exchange for

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<v Speaker 2>being the maintenance man at this motel chain. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>the connection. And we have Richard Glossip was the motel manager.

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<v Speaker 2>So the allegation and his conviction was that Glossip accord.

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<v Speaker 2>The motive according to prosecutors, and I guess according to

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<v Speaker 2>Justin Sneed himself, was that he had been in bezzling funds,

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to get fired, and.

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<v Speaker 3>So he asked.

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<v Speaker 2>He asked me to kill his boss so that he

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<v Speaker 2>could become the motel manager and not get caught for embezzlement.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a hell of a motive. Didn't see all that evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>said trial and don't know what records they have financially

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<v Speaker 1>and whatever else. But from all intents and purposes, by

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<v Speaker 1>all accounts, robes that we can see overwhelmingly the evidence

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<v Speaker 1>connecting Glossop to the crime was this guy and this

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<v Speaker 1>guy's word alone correct.

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<v Speaker 3>And here is the deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Prosecutors knew that Justin Sneed was giving false testimony, at

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<v Speaker 2>least in part of his testimony, did not reveal or

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<v Speaker 2>convey that to jurors who didn't get to take that

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<v Speaker 2>into consideration when they heard Justin Sneed testify against his

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<v Speaker 2>I guess coworker so to speak, or I guess his

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<v Speaker 2>boss as well too. So this is what justin Justice

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<v Speaker 2>Sodomoyar wrote for the reason why they allowed him now

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<v Speaker 2>to get out on bond and to overturn the conviction.

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<v Speaker 2>That correction of the testimony would have revealed to the

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<v Speaker 2>jury not just that Sneed was untrustworthy, but also that

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<v Speaker 2>Snead was willing to lie to them under oath, And

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<v Speaker 2>with that in mind, they had to throw out the conviction.

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<v Speaker 2>And that makes sense because according to everyone, Justin Snead,

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<v Speaker 2>his testimony against Glossip is the only actual evidence against Glossip.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you can't trust his testimony. It will be

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<v Speaker 2>interesting to see what the prosecution will be able to

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<v Speaker 2>present to the jury this time around.

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<v Speaker 3>To have the option.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't have the context. The jury didn't have it,

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<v Speaker 1>and they could have made a different decision. They could

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<v Speaker 1>have thought, Okay, yeah, he lied about that other stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>but I believe him on this. Sure, maybe they could have,

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<v Speaker 1>but they didn't get that option. And because of that,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy should get another trial. And Robes, oh, man,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's a travestic And as we sit here, he's innocent.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know, Robes. This is terrifying stuff. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>about our justices, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And when we I'm going to go through how this

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<v Speaker 2>all happened. It's fascinating and you can see how it happened.

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<v Speaker 2>So the murder happens January seventh, nineteen ninety seven. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>Snead's staying at the motel as a maintenance worker. Gossip

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<v Speaker 2>is the motel manager. We have the owner, Barry Van Trees,

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<v Speaker 2>beaten to death with a baseball bat, and Gossip initially

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<v Speaker 2>denied knowing about the killing, but then later to police

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<v Speaker 2>admitted that he knew because Sneed told him he killed

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<v Speaker 2>him right so Gossip is initially just charged with accessory

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<v Speaker 2>after the fact, so that's the only charge against him.

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<v Speaker 3>Sneed's charged with the murder.

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<v Speaker 2>Golossip gets accessory after the fact, but then Sneed testified

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<v Speaker 2>the Golssip asked him to kill the entries to run

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<v Speaker 2>the motel himself, and offered him ten thousand dollars, and

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<v Speaker 2>so then police went to him or investigators. Prosecutors went

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<v Speaker 2>to Glossip and said, hey, we know that you actually

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<v Speaker 2>were the mastermind, so if you just plead guilty, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>give you.

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<v Speaker 3>A life sentence. He said, no, I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 3>do it. I'm innocent.

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<v Speaker 2>Prosecutors then offered Sneed, hey, if you'll testify, we'll offer

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<v Speaker 2>you life in prison and we won't pursue the death penalty.

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<v Speaker 2>He took the deal, and so then prosecutors upgraded Glossip's

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<v Speaker 2>charge to capital murder, painted him as the mastermind, and

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<v Speaker 2>had Snead as the star witness.

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<v Speaker 1>That could all be true, but prove it, that's all

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<v Speaker 1>is every word of that their theory of the crime

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<v Speaker 1>could still be true. This under oath liar could be

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<v Speaker 1>telling the truth about the one thing. Yes, maybe, but

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<v Speaker 1>is that enough to convict the guy and put him

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<v Speaker 1>on death rough. I don't know, that's up to a

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<v Speaker 1>jury to decide. But if a jury you get an

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<v Speaker 1>uncon man, you have to have a perfect trial close

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<v Speaker 1>to it if you're going to send some maia to death.

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<v Speaker 1>So again, when we first started, he comes as we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it more, the gravity of what this is,

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<v Speaker 1>the exact thing we can never let happen. And we

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<v Speaker 1>see a walking, talking, breathing example of how close we

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<v Speaker 1>got to screwing this up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and twenty nine years if even that is yes,

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<v Speaker 2>if Glossip is in fact innocent, he has lost paam

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nine years of his life. When we come back,

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<v Speaker 2>we are going to tell you because he has been

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<v Speaker 2>convicted not once but twice and he is facing his

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<v Speaker 2>third trial, what is in store for him? And just

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<v Speaker 2>how close he came to being executed. Wait until you

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<v Speaker 2>hear how he was hours away from lethal injection. Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>back everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ. We

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<v Speaker 2>are talking about a room markable, fascinating story out of

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<v Speaker 2>Oklahoma where a death row inmate, Richard Glossip. He's sixty

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<v Speaker 2>three years old right now, but he has spent three

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<v Speaker 2>decades behind bars. And as we pointed out, has had

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<v Speaker 2>nine execution dates, three final meals, after he was convicted

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<v Speaker 2>twice for the murder of his boss back in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety seven. This is a remarkable story. On September thirtieth,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen, he came three hours from his scheduled execution,

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<v Speaker 2>a doctor realized that a pharmacist supplied the wrong drug

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<v Speaker 2>for the lethal injection, and so they were forced to

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<v Speaker 2>call off the execution again three hours he had his

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<v Speaker 2>final meal. So this happened three times. Not that close,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's the closest he came. Can you imagine just

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<v Speaker 2>the mental aspect of that.

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<v Speaker 1>No, this guy is I mean, he's been through it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said pay him early, I mean pay him

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<v Speaker 1>for the wrongful conviction. You might need to pay him

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<v Speaker 1>for pain and suffering at this point for what you

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<v Speaker 1>put that's mental anguish that this guy has gone through.

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<v Speaker 1>And again he at this point es he is an

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<v Speaker 1>innocent man. So what we're looking at is, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how robes we I don't know how we can

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<v Speaker 1>be supportive of this ceremony we keep going through. We

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<v Speaker 1>wait forty years to execute somebody just to make sure, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we waited thirty years and we got this one wrong. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So time doesn't even help, it seems sometimes if this

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<v Speaker 1>has been weighted out to the only reason this dude

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<v Speaker 1>is alive is because they screwed up the drugs.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, not because oops.

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court stepped in. Oops, we think he might be innocent? No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we just screw ups with the drugs.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, if he had been executed, then

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<v Speaker 2>we wouldn't even be talking about this. There would be

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<v Speaker 2>no rallying cry to prove his innocence because no one

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<v Speaker 2>wants to admit. Certainly not a state or any prosecutor,

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<v Speaker 2>or anyone involved in administering the punishment would want to

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<v Speaker 2>admit or acknowledge even or investigate whether or not they

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<v Speaker 2>got it wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no incentive now.

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<v Speaker 2>His first trial, by the way, he was convicted, but

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<v Speaker 2>that conviction was thrown out because of a defense attorney issue,

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<v Speaker 2>some legal defense attorney issue. So he gets a second trial.

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<v Speaker 2>He's convicted and sentenced to death for a second time.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, each time, we have sneed testifying

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<v Speaker 2>against glossip. So this third trial, now, the trial date

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<v Speaker 2>has not been said. He does have a court date.

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<v Speaker 2>His next court date is June twenty third, and look,

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<v Speaker 2>the state of Oklahoma is maintaining they have quote strong

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<v Speaker 2>evidence against Glossip, but they do also say Snead the

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<v Speaker 2>man in question, the man whose testimony the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 2>of the United States and even the Attorney.

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<v Speaker 3>General said.

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<v Speaker 2>Is not trustworthy, he is going to be testifying against

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<v Speaker 2>Gossip once again in this third trial. This will certainly

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<v Speaker 2>be a spectacle to watch. But in the meantime he's

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<v Speaker 2>home with a few restrictions, but he is a freeman

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<v Speaker 2>with an ankle monitor and we will of course continue

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<v Speaker 2>to follow this very much developing story in the meantime, though,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you as always for listening to us.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a net roboch alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk to

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<v Speaker 3>you soon.