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Speaker 1: Here we go, it's our two. We are love in

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles Dodgers Phillies this afternoon, will we go to

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Speaker 1: a game?

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Speaker 3: Five?

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Speaker 1: Great to be in j Macgreg Cosels coming up. In

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Speaker 1: a couple of seconds, I saw something. I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's trouble in Paradise. Chip Kelly went to Ohio State

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Speaker 1: one and Natty went back to the NFL. He's now

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Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator for the Raiders. The Raiders are going

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Speaker 1: to be a fourth place team. They have Geno Smith.

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Speaker 1: Everybody predicted that. I don't think Gino's a great fit anywhere.

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Speaker 1: He's a turnover Leyden quarterback and Pete hates that. But

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll was talking about the run game. He wants

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Speaker 1: more of it.

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Speaker 4: We got to run the football better, you know more.

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Speaker 4: And we're going to continue to work at it and

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Speaker 4: see if we can't continue to bring it to life.

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Speaker 4: The running game has been has looked well in order

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Speaker 4: right now. We needed to get more of them.

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Speaker 3: That's part of it.

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Speaker 1: That's just mixing football.

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Speaker 3: That's how you go you do it.

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Speaker 4: We don't want to ever rely on the quarterback has

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Speaker 4: to do the whole show and sitting in a shotgun

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Speaker 4: through the football. Never coach that way, and so we

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Speaker 4: have to mix our stuff so that we can use

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Speaker 4: our play action game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Pete wants Chip to run the football more. That's

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Speaker 1: why they picked Ashton Genty. That is Pete. Pete likes

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Speaker 1: defense in the run game. Geno Smith, they wanted Matt Stafford, Stafford,

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Speaker 1: Jose the Rams. I think Pete wanted Sam Donald reportedly,

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Speaker 1: not me, This is reported Tom Brady didn't want Sam Donald.

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Speaker 1: So I just think you're limited with Geno Smith. But

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Speaker 1: Pete knew him, was familiar. But you're limited. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: throw a lot of picks and it's like a lot.

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Speaker 1: So my question with Pete is not energy. I had

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Speaker 1: no problem with a higher it's that his last few

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Speaker 1: defenses in Seattle were no good and Mike McDonald took

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Speaker 1: over and they're really good. Now, some of that's John

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Speaker 1: Snyder's draft picks, They've hitten a lot of them. But

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Speaker 1: you know, Jesse Minter shows up to an awful Chargers defense,

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Speaker 1: it is good by week three. The next year, Mike

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Speaker 1: McDonald Seattle overnight defense is better. So there's an argument

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Speaker 1: that Pete hasn't reinvented himself defensively, and that's why he

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Speaker 1: was let go. I have no problem with Pete. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they spent most of their draft picks on offense. You know,

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Speaker 1: really good. Some offensive line picks that are okay. But

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Speaker 1: I think the question with the Raiders is do you

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Speaker 1: get the magic of Pete Carroll's defense, which we really

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Speaker 1: haven't seen since twenty seventeen. It's not the offense, Gino Smith,

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Speaker 1: lower your standards. It's not going to be great. Colton

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Speaker 1: Miller's hurt, brock Bauers banged up. The offense is just

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Speaker 1: going to be okay. Pete needs to get that defense.

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Speaker 1: Humming and the Jesse Minders and Mike McDonald's have been

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Speaker 1: able to do that very very quickly. And I kind

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Speaker 1: of feel like one of the reasons Pete in the

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Speaker 1: end in Seattle. His side of the ball, And that's

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Speaker 1: where I always judge coaches, what are you doing with

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Speaker 1: with the Raiders defense? And right now, actually it's regressed

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Speaker 1: Herbert Bownicks, Peyton and Harbaugh and Andy Reid Mahomes. All right,

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Speaker 1: we go to Great Cosel forty six years NFL films.

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Speaker 1: You know, I would argue this week and people are

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Speaker 1: oh McVeigh punted him. But if you go to Stafford in,

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Speaker 1: Goff's numbers all right, since that trade, and remember Goff

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Speaker 5: I mean GoF in many ways Conin you know this

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Speaker 5: GoF is somewhat of a dinosaur the way people like

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Speaker 5: and he can make throws within that given system. What

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Speaker 5: Football League, and he I think he's the best at it.

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Speaker 5: People look at the Mahomes, the Allens, the obviously Lamar,

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Speaker 5: even Burrow when he's healthy, moves around quite a bit

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Speaker 5: These are the quarterbacks we look to now, and Gof's

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Speaker 1: So I thought Mahomes was really you know, he didn't

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Speaker 1: more troubled with Trevor Lawrence's fumble at the one or

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Speaker 5: You know what, Colin, It's a very odd offense to

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Speaker 5: watch because there's very little rhythm and timing to the offense.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of short throws. Those obviously have some rhythm.

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Speaker 5: There's almost no timing and rhythm intermediate passing game we

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Speaker 5: just spoke about shared goff there's none of that with

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Speaker 3: Makes special plays.

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Speaker 5: His spatial awareness is as good as anybody we've ever seen,

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Speaker 5: his ability to move away from people, keep his eyes

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Speaker 5: But from an offensive conceptual standpoint, you just don't see

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Speaker 5: a lot of rhythmic throws. As I said, let's say

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Speaker 5: I can't answer as to why you don't see that

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Speaker 5: It's very much a random offense with can Mahomes make

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Speaker 5: good on third down, particularly using his legs, that it's

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Speaker 1: So I want to talk about Eagles Broncos, and I'll

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Speaker 5: They started to run the ball a little bit, which

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Speaker 1: just let's just concentrate on this. I would argue, you know,

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Speaker 1: So why don't Aj and Jalen Hurts work consistently Because

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Speaker 1: they're trying. The targets tell you they're trying.

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Speaker 5: be based on what the quarterback is and what he isn't,

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Speaker 3: He's very good throwing it outside the numbers.

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Speaker 5: Hurts has never done particularly well. He's not a window throw.

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Speaker 5: He doesn't throw the ball between the numbers, as I

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Speaker 5: said we were talking earlier, fifteen to twenty five yards.

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Speaker 5: In fact, he's got the fewest attempts of any quarterback

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Speaker 3: He doesn't see the game that way.

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Speaker 5: They have to be a running football team, and right

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Speaker 5: now they're not running the ball at all.

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Speaker 1: So there are fifteen quarterbacks right now in the NFL

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Speaker 5: He's been outstanding on third down. He's been outstanding versus pressure,

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Speaker 1: So a team that and in this league when I

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Speaker 1: you don't have the quarterback right. People for years have

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Speaker 5: And he's decisive, and he's decisive because the receiver that

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Speaker 5: We always say that's great quarterback play, but really he's

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Speaker 1: There are two teams in this league that I like

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Speaker 5: I would look ten more toward what you just said

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Speaker 3: Now, I don't know if it would have been complete.

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Speaker 5: Because he's not most quarterbacks, but it's more true of

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Speaker 5: Well, I think what there were tending completions in the

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Speaker 5: see a lot of quarterbacks under center, so it's the

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Speaker 5: fact that he's under center is a big deal. And

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Speaker 5: it's what we call it three by one set. You

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Speaker 5: have three receivers to the wide side of the field

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Speaker 5: and that's Abuka up top is what we call the

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Speaker 5: boundary X. The single receiver to the short side of

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Speaker 5: the field. Now, what's he looking at Baker? Initially two

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Speaker 5: high safeties, but that's going to change. Now what they're

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Speaker 5: going to call here, and you're seeing more and more

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Speaker 5: of this in the league call in motion.

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Speaker 3: You're seeing motion.

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Speaker 5: Shepherd is going to cross the formation and what jet

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Speaker 5: action whatever people want to call it, and then he's

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Speaker 5: going to release inside of Abuca. Now, notice that the

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Speaker 5: coverage has changed. It is now covered three, So it

448
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Speaker 5: went from too high to cover three, and Baker turns.

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Speaker 3: His back a little bit because it's play action.

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Speaker 5: So what you're going to get here is Shepherd the

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Speaker 5: motion receiver, running a vertical route, and you're going to

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Speaker 5: get a Buka running essentially a wheel route. So it's

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Speaker 5: two vertical routes. And what this is going to do

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Speaker 5: is it's going to put the corner. I think it's

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Speaker 5: Josh job here who's actually become a very good player,

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Speaker 5: but it's going to put him in conflict because you

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Speaker 5: can see his body is turned towards Shepherd running that

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Speaker 5: vertical route because he knows that his safety is coming

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Speaker 5: from the other side. So now with his body turned

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Speaker 5: that way, he cannot play the wheel route at all

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Speaker 5: by Abuka. It's just he's in conflict. It's just too hard.

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Speaker 5: And then so what happens is you get a Buka

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Speaker 5: running the wheel in the deep third of the corner.

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Speaker 5: That's his responsibility, but he can't get there. Now, this

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Speaker 5: is not an easy throw, by the way, because he

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Speaker 5: has to throw it over the top of that underneath defender,

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Speaker 5: which you're going to see here. So it might look

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Speaker 5: easy because it looks like a Buka is wide open, but.

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Speaker 3: It's not easy.

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Speaker 5: So again, this is just a perfect example again of

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Speaker 5: scheming and making good throws. And I think ultimately the

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Speaker 5: good passing games are about that.

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Speaker 1: Yep. Greg Cosel Thursday as Oola's we get smarter. Thanks Greg,

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Speaker 1: Thanks Colin and Mecca. Abuka is currently a sizeable favorite

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Speaker 1: to an Offensive Rookie of the Year and he went

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Speaker 1: to go nineteenth from FA my GM Jason, who's just

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Speaker 1: done a terrific job in Tampa for a long time.

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Speaker 6: I think at Mike Evans back soon, Bucky Irving will

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Speaker 6: be back.

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Speaker 7: That's a dangerous Tampa.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I can't see him in the super Bowl,

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Speaker 6: but they're gonna be contenders.

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Speaker 1: You know, there are certain things. They have a good

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Speaker 1: enough O line. There are certain things that really matter

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Speaker 1: in January football. You know, like speed is always important,

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Speaker 1: but Miami was really fast. Speed's less important in January. Efficiency.

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Speaker 1: Power becomes because it's bad weather and it's windy, and

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Speaker 1: you need like tough, resilient, physical, powerful players. That's why,

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Speaker 1: you know, you start looking at teams that win and

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Speaker 1: players that really become hallmark players. What's great about Abuca

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Speaker 1: is you can run him deep or you can run

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Speaker 1: him underneath. He can do multiple patterns he's not your

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Speaker 1: classic really fast. If he was fast, he would have

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Speaker 1: been a top seven pick because his game was flawless.

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Speaker 1: But he's not a burner. He's just a total route tree,

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Speaker 1: mature adult. He's one of those guys like Homer on

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Speaker 1: Saint Brown rookie year. You're like, you think he's thirty three,

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Speaker 1: no diva, all grown up.

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Speaker 7: You don't expect a lot of that.

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Speaker 6: Strangely, the biggest question with Tampa might be their MVP candidate.

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Speaker 8: Colin.

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Speaker 7: I know, we love Baker. He's having a great year.

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Speaker 6: He's among the league leaders in turnover worthy place, and

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Speaker 6: you know, so far they've broken his way. They're winning

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Speaker 6: games at the book buzzer by three, Colin, we know

506
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Speaker 6: at some point that is going to stop. And what

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Speaker 6: happens when they're losing those coin flip games not as dangerous.

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Speaker 1: This was gonna be a positive Baker, Dad, I was

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Speaker 1: doing my best. You're really pivotal to the negativity right there.

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Speaker 7: This is the herd Line News, all right, Colin.

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Speaker 6: Unfortunately, let's go back to the Blue Jays and there

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Speaker 6: win over the Yankees five to last night, eliminating the

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Speaker 6: once dominant Yankees from the postseason.

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Speaker 1: But what year was that?

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Speaker 6: I don't know if I can even read this. New

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Speaker 6: York wasn't even competitive in the final in the first

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Speaker 6: two games, getting out scored twenty three eight. The Yankees

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Speaker 6: now have a sixteen season championship drought, the third longest

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Speaker 6: in franchise history.

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Speaker 7: Aaron Judge did his part as well.

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Speaker 1: He hit very very well, yet he had a big moment.

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Speaker 1: He did, he did his part, but again they're totally

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Speaker 1: relying on him, just like last year. Garrett Cole doesn't

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Speaker 1: pitch against the Dodgers. They don't, they don't, they don't compete,

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Speaker 1: So they're just they're very top heavy. You know, they've

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Speaker 1: spent a lot of money and they've had the same

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Speaker 1: people in that front office for a long time.

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Speaker 7: I heard Jeter say that, and I was like.

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Speaker 1: The Steinbrenners are very comfortable with good.

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Speaker 7: Are you comfortable with good?

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Speaker 1: Well, if I spend as much money as the Yankees did,

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Speaker 1: I would argue they're not spending it as wisely as

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee or Seattle. Now, Seattle's going to get expensive here.

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Speaker 1: They got some guys in arbitration. So Seattle right now

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Speaker 1: is young in ascending, but they're on the cheap. They

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Speaker 1: won't be for long. But not everybody has the Dodgers payroll.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the Mets underachieved. I see the Mets underachieved.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the Yankees underachieved. I think he could

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Speaker 1: be worse. You could be the Mets. Well, no, no,

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Speaker 1: if Garrett Cole was healthy with Max Free, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you'd have won this series, but you'd be

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Speaker 1: a different looking team. You'd have two strong pitchers and

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Speaker 1: a couple of big power hitters. You're still not very

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Speaker 1: good defensively, you don't run the base as well, you

560
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Speaker 1: can't play small ball, you're uneven. But a lot of

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Speaker 1: this has Garrett Cole got hurt. Okay, now you now

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Speaker 1: you're not the same team, and I think that you

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Speaker 1: know it's it's that's a big part of the sport.

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Speaker 6: So do you want to relish in some Blue Jays

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Speaker 6: sound from last night?

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Speaker 1: Or sure, let's go. I want to hear it. Hear it, Dali, Dali.

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Speaker 2: Yacke, let's go. Let's go.

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Speaker 7: All right, we can put a bow in the season.

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Speaker 7: Now you heard your lad.

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Speaker 2: Toronto, no bow.

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Speaker 1: They're just on the wrapping in the president.

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Speaker 6: Let's move on to the NFL to uh uh one

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Speaker 6: of your favorite quarterbacks.

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Speaker 7: Man, he's getting a lot of heat on social media.

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Speaker 6: I'm at the dolphins terrible start the loss to the Panthers.

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Speaker 6: Toua was asked by the Miami media about how he

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Speaker 6: deals with outside noise. Gotta say love this answer, Colin.

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Speaker 3: I'm not on social media, Like I don't have any

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Speaker 3: of that.

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Speaker 7: And then outside of that, like I go home, I

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Speaker 7: see my kids. Whether I throw five picks or five touchdowns, we.

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Speaker 3: Win the game, we lose the game.

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Speaker 7: I get to come home to my kids who are

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Speaker 7: happy to see me every time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got his life center.

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Speaker 6: That's the reality in life. Well, when you're a quarterback,

587
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Speaker 6: just a football player, he's a father.

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Speaker 1: I know that. That sounds great.

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Speaker 7: That's the reality.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's like, don't don't be You can't

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Speaker 1: be defined by your job. If you think Tom Brady,

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Speaker 1: you think quarterback, and you think Kobe Bryant, you think

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Speaker 1: basketball player. That is, when you are president, you're not

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Speaker 1: defined by your kids as much you're president. That's a

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Speaker 1: reality of jobs. I think what he said is wonderful.

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Speaker 1: I think it makes everybody feel warm and fuzzy. But

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Speaker 1: the truth is, when you get paid a lot and

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Speaker 1: you're a professional athlete and the quarterback, you know your GM,

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Speaker 1: your coach, your owner, your fans, the people want you

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Speaker 1: to win a lot of games, and so you're gonna

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Speaker 1: get heat. I think it's great that he's centered, but

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised he's centered. He's always been that kind

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Speaker 1: of guy. He's always a smart he's a big, broad,

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Speaker 1: smart guy, got convicted religious conviction, and he's always been

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Speaker 1: a very balanced, good human being. But again again it's

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Speaker 1: what he said is true. But being a quarterback, part

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Speaker 1: of it is dealing with heat. It's hard, it is.

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Speaker 6: And that's how he deals with it. He avoids social media.

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Speaker 6: Well that's smart, that's super nonsense. That's the dealing with

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Speaker 6: the heat from fans whatever.

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Speaker 7: Like, hey, you get you.

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Speaker 6: Never want to get too high, never want to get

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Speaker 6: too low. Yes, you lose to the panther say, man,

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Speaker 6: that's bad, that's not great. You know what they beat

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Speaker 6: the Jets two weeks ago?

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Speaker 3: Was that great?

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Speaker 7: I mean, like, I don't know. I mean I kind

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Speaker 7: of like what you was saying.

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Speaker 1: No, I think it has absolutely redeemable value. I think

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Speaker 1: he's right, and I think he's centered. But it is

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Speaker 1: sports is cruel. It's demanding quarterbacks be thirty eight years

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Speaker 1: old when they break into the league. You've got to

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Speaker 1: be an adult. You are the CEO on the field,

624
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Speaker 1: and it's hard and the criticism's harsh. And uh, I'm

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Speaker 1: glad that too, was centered because it is brutal.

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Speaker 6: Chief's fifteen and two last year and Patrick Mahomes ended

627
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Speaker 6: the season getting his butt kicked by.

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Speaker 1: The Eagles and criticized, criticized heavily.

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Speaker 7: They went fifteen to two. Like, boy, you get win

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Speaker 7: the Super Bowl every year? Nobody Tom Brady didn't do that.

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Speaker 6: Final story, Colin is the forty nine Ers quarterback room?

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Speaker 6: My goodness, what is going on? So brock perty did

633
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Speaker 6: not practice yesterday, still nursing that toe injury. Oh they're

634
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 6: saying mac Jones is going to start, but he got

635
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Speaker 6: dinged up. Remember against the Rams, They're they're calling it

636
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Speaker 6: a knee and an oblique. Mac is undefeated, but this

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00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 6: could be a tall order against the Bucks. They got

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Speaker 6: extra time off. I'm seeing Juwan Jennings unlikely, pearsall unlikely.

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Speaker 1: Is this going to be the eye this week?

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Speaker 7: I know I was waiting for the injury report. I'm

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Speaker 7: trying to text the headline guy. Could we back off

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Speaker 7: the Niners?

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Speaker 1: How do you injure a knee at practice? I mean

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Speaker 1: at quarterback?

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Speaker 6: Well, if you do, you see the way he got

646
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Speaker 6: like drilled into the ground and his both of his

647
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Speaker 6: legs kind.

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Speaker 7: Of moved funny.

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Speaker 1: So it wasn't it practice? No, no, no, okay, I

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Speaker 1: thought my bat I thought it got hurt at practice.

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Speaker 6: I mean, he's just limited with it. He's banged up.

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Speaker 6: You know, Macenroe, Jones, your guy. I had, like the

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Speaker 6: Niners here, if this touches three and a half, you know,

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Speaker 6: give me Shanahan all day.

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Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, you're just you just can't commit. The

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Speaker 1: Baker in the Bucks.

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Speaker 6: I like him, but they they're just they're getting lucky

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Speaker 6: every week.

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Speaker 7: You have to admit that at the end of games.

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Speaker 1: No, I didn't think last week was luck. I thought

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Speaker 1: it was great, Cordy.

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Speaker 7: I've all, they kick a field goal.

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Speaker 1: Well, they got a great classic Todd Bowles blitz call

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Speaker 1: and Baker was unbelievable.

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Speaker 6: Wait, didn't the ball didn't Sam Darnold's pass go off

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Speaker 6: like a helmet and it.

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Speaker 1: Was just like a congested and that that that created

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Speaker 1: that chaos was created by Todd Bowles. There's no such

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Speaker 1: thing as winning lucky in the NFL. That's that words nonsense.

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Speaker 7: You don't think fumble luck is a thing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it goes both ways.

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Speaker 7: It does, and everything's going campaspate.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I don't think it is. Yeah, I'm gonna disagree

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Speaker 1: with that. J Mack with the.

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Speaker 2: News well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.

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Speaker 1: We know we had done all week. We haven't looked

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Speaker 1: at the schedule and kind of made our called our

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Speaker 1: upset chet. We usually at this time, it's Thursday, we

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Speaker 1: usually go out and say, okay, there's your up.

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Speaker 6: So we've been pretty good at this. We're locked in

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Speaker 6: on baseball right now. I mean, we're not time for

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Speaker 6: this guy. We got to go over Brewers lineup card.

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Speaker 6: I mean, have you seen it.

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Speaker 1: Today or no, I haven't. I'm going home today cleaning

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Speaker 1: the apartment and they're watching the Phillies Dodgers in the afternoon.

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Speaker 1: There is nothing better.

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Speaker 6: Big night for Philadelphia sports. Right you got Phillies and

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Speaker 6: it's a huge night.

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Speaker 1: Huge.

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Speaker 7: I got to call in six tomorrow in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: They're throwing, aren't there? Aren't they throwing their ace Phillies.

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Speaker 1: This I'm telling you right now, watch out tonight. Watch

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Speaker 1: out because last night they didn't do anything at the top.

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Speaker 1: Dodgers didn't do anything at the top of their order.

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Speaker 1: Watch out, Dodger fans. This is not over. Like you

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Speaker 1: can you can feel the Brewers Cubs is over. Before

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Speaker 1: it's over, I said yesterday the Jays were going to

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Speaker 1: beat the Yankees. The starting pitching could not get them out.

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Speaker 7: Is oh Tani? He would go Game five?

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Speaker 1: Right? I think so?

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Speaker 7: Okay?

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Speaker 1: But I think the Dodgers Phillies, Phillies would it would?

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Speaker 1: I picked him to win. It would not shock me

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Speaker 1: if they came back real quick. Different the pressures on

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers in the game five. Right now, Philadelphia is

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Speaker 1: coming in loose and free.

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Speaker 7: How about the Phillies jerseys last night?

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Speaker 6: Old, it might be the coolest jerseys and old they're

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Speaker 6: up there with those padres ones from the eighties, you know, because.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember? You don't remember, but.

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Speaker 6: I had the baseball cards with Mike Schmidt.

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Speaker 1: How would I tell you the lineup for the Phillies

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Speaker 1: back in the seventies. How about no, Greg Lizinski, Baked McBride,

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Speaker 1: Larry Bowa, Dave Cash, Mike Schmidt.

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Speaker 6: Schmidty, everybody knows Smitty. I think those other names are

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Speaker 6: just made up. You're just coming up with, like Harold

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Speaker 6: Smith at.

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Speaker 1: The hot quarter. Bake McBride used to used to choke

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Speaker 1: up on his bat. Greg Lizinski the bowl batting fourth,

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Speaker 1: Mike Schmidt batted third. Pete Row came over.

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Speaker 6: Eventually, we gotta get you on Jeopardy or something with this.

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Speaker 6: Seventies baseball, the old.

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Speaker 1: Very reluctant, quiet Steve Carlton who would only cash with

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Speaker 1: Tim McCarver. Geezhi, A lot of you guys were out

725
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: there socializing. I was home memorizing baseball lineups in the seventies.

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Speaker 1: I was doing prep for The Herd when I was

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Speaker 1: like nine. Oh my goodness, it's the Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: in noon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 6: A huge day of college football kicks off with Big

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Speaker 6: Noon Saturday on Fox. As phenom Jeremiah Smith leads top

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Speaker 6: ranked Ohios date against Illinois. Then at three thirty it's

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Speaker 6: TCU versus Case State, and under the Lights. At seven

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Speaker 6: point thirty, Kansas takes on ninth drank Texas Tech.

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Speaker 7: It all begins with Big Noon Saturday, only on Fox.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you there's a big game this weekend. Keep

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Speaker 1: your eye on USC Michigan. This is a defining game.

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Speaker 1: USC already lost Illinois. They have to go to Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame and Oregon. They're not beating Oregon in Oatson, they

741
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Speaker 1: can compete. I think with Notre Dame. Although the car

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Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks playing out of his mind, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: take USC close. I'm just telling you. Lincoln's offense is fine.

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Speaker 1: But and I don't buy any of this. All these

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Speaker 1: big ten coach or these PAC twelve coaches, Oh the

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Speaker 1: travel and big ten coach, Oh the travel. Oh, get

747
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: over it. You have four roadies a year. Get over it.

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Speaker 1: I feel bad for the volleyball team that you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like some of these secondary teams that are

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Speaker 1: never in class that have to play like multiple games football.

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Speaker 1: He got four road games. The USC doesn't play road

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Speaker 1: games at a conference much. He got four roadies. I

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Speaker 1: mean Washington had to go to Maryland. Well, you just

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Speaker 1: hosted Ohio State. So I don't want to hear about that.

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Speaker 1: But the criticism of Lincoln Roddy that's fair, is since

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Speaker 1: he's been at USC and at Oklahoma that he has

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Speaker 1: developed power run games. But the defenses aren't good. That

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Speaker 1: was a knock at Oklahoma. They weren't phys Brett Venables

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Speaker 1: got hired and said, we need to be a catalyst

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Speaker 1: of change. Physically, we're not very good physically this game

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Speaker 1: against Michigan. If they lose and get pushed around, there's

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Speaker 1: no turning back from this. This is your opportunity to

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Speaker 1: change a narrative for a football program in LA.

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Speaker 6: And ask you Oregon Indiana. I know it's not on

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Speaker 6: everybody's radar. It's like the third or fourth best game.

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Speaker 6: But sharpest college football guy no tells me Indiana is

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Speaker 6: to play here getting seven and a half for eight.

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Speaker 1: How come Indiana know them good enough? How come Indiana

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Speaker 1: can be a six point dog at Outson. That's what

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Speaker 1: Ole Miss would be. But we view old misses up

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Speaker 1: here and we view Indiana sec gets the benefit of

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Speaker 1: the doubt. Yeah, okay, Indiana is old miss that the

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Speaker 1: line is telling you Ole Miss had played on a

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Speaker 1: neutral field. Indiana ol Miss a favorite by one, one

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Speaker 1: and a half because go look at the Oregon line.

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Speaker 1: Now at Ogsen Stadium, Indiana is a viable dog.

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Speaker 7: I thought it would go up to eight. I was waiting.

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Speaker 7: But this kid, Mendoza, like he's six five. I looked

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Speaker 7: the part.

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Speaker 6: This is his chance to like put his name in

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Speaker 6: the conversation for the NFL draft.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so Urban Myers on tomorrow to talk about these games. Indiana,

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Speaker 1: Oregon is really interesting, USC Michigan is really interesting. So

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Speaker 1: it is funny about Baker Mayfield because of my history

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Speaker 1: with Baker Mayfield. But Tom Brady this week he does

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Speaker 1: a top ten. Brady is on the Baker train.

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Speaker 3: Here it is the Bucks come in at number three.

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Speaker 2: They go on the road to Seattle. Does anyone know

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Speaker 2: how hard it is to play there?

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Speaker 6: And I see you.

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Speaker 3: Baker talking that.

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Speaker 2: You go, man, you play like that.

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Speaker 3: You can always talk there.

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Speaker 1: So he has him at number three. I had him

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Speaker 1: at number two behind Detroit. Listen, Generally, I don't like

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Speaker 1: my quarterback jawing with fans. I don't think it's really

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Speaker 1: an adult move. But I do think you have to

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Speaker 1: be honest with Baker, and that is his personality. It's

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Speaker 1: who he is. He's not the tallest, he's not the

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Speaker 1: most athletic. A lot of his special is he's got

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Speaker 1: a really good arm. He does a beautiful deep ball.

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Speaker 1: He's athletic enough. Here's Greg Co selling what he's seeing

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Speaker 1: with Baker.

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Speaker 5: Baker's at the point in his career where he's incredibly

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Speaker 5: decisive because he throws.

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Speaker 3: And I know we've talked about this over the years.

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Speaker 5: He throws a great ball, a way better ball than

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Speaker 5: people might think because he's not a big, imposing looking guy.

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Speaker 5: He's always been very aggressive throwing it too, with that

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Speaker 5: mindset that he has. And as you get older, I

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Speaker 5: think he just knows just from playing, just from experience,

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Speaker 5: you know, getting more and more at bat so to speak,

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Speaker 5: he just has a better feel for when I can

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Speaker 5: turn it loose, and he can make really difficult throws.

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Speaker 5: And he doesn't shy away from any difficult throw in

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Speaker 5: the situation demands it.

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Speaker 1: And for the record, a lot of our best quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: have been a little reckless. FARV Lway would throw it

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Speaker 1: into traffic far and Aaron Rodgers was one of the

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Speaker 1: first where you got the upside with no downside. Mahomes upside,

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Speaker 1: no downside. Josh Allen could used to be reckless. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, Brady was never a big interception guy. But

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Speaker 1: Tom would let it loose, Andrew Luck, Joe Namath. You

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Speaker 1: go back, a lot of our best quarterbacks, they can

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Speaker 1: go sideways, they can take big shots. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: I I'm not gonna I don't want somebody that's not willing.

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Speaker 1: It's the old Bill Parcells was always like, if you're

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Speaker 1: not throwing occasional interceptions, I don't want safe guy. You've

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Speaker 1: gotta you've got to throw it down the field. That

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean Bill Parcells was rooting for interceptions. But if

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Speaker 1: you're going nine for nine at practice every day and

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Speaker 1: you're in your you know, your red zone drills, you're

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Speaker 1: probably throwing it underneath constantly, like you gotta let it rip,

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Speaker 1: you gotta let it go. And and again, I don't

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Speaker 1: want Alex Smith to let it rip because he didn't

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Speaker 1: have a huge arm. He knew what he could do.

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Speaker 1: Baker's got a big boy arm. Arnold's got a big arm.

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Speaker 1: Farv had a big arm. You almost owe it to yourself.

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Speaker 1: If you've got a great arm. Josh Allen's got a

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Speaker 1: great arm, you owe it to yourself to let it rip.

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Speaker 1: Alex Smith didn't. I don't want you taking those chances.

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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan didn't, Okay, I don't want you taking I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't think Jalen Hurts has a huge arm. I

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Speaker 1: want the underneath stuff. But if you got it, you

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Speaker 1: got the talent, let it rip. And Baker does, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna have more turnover worthy plays. I can live

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Speaker 1: with it. I really can't. Brady's won Super Bowls where

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Speaker 1: I threw a pick six, and he's lost Super Bowls

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia where he was virtually perfect. Gotta make plays, Phil Simms,

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Speaker 1: Hour three, Sir,