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Speaker 1: Welcome bird Gang. It's here finally, training camp has arrived.

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Speaker 1: On today's show, a preview of what to expect over

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Speaker 1: the next several weeks. The biggest storylines, position battles to watch.

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Speaker 1: We've got our opinions and we want to hear yours

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Speaker 1: as well. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode four forty four

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Speaker 1: and it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover two with

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Speaker 1: Craig Grigolu and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover two is presented

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Speaker 1: by Hyunday, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, and by

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit acy Cardinals dot com, Slash Podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Murray rolls to the right, throws near sight of Fritz

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Speaker 1: Bob that is, into the ends ofe to the touchdown.

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Speaker 1: Here's Craig Grilou and Mike Jarecki. Seven months actually a

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Speaker 1: little bit less than seven months from that week seventeen

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Speaker 1: run up to football. This week, players report to State

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Speaker 1: It's been a long long waits. I'm ready, and I'm

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Speaker 1: assuming everyone in the organizations ready, and you know, you

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Speaker 1: gotta put last year behind you. Hopefully you're able to

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Speaker 1: grow from that. We know they made some changes to

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Speaker 1: a run in twenty twenty one. Ninety players and the

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Speaker 1: lot to get into, but a couple of housekeeping items

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Speaker 1: And this is not the surprise at all, but he'll

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Speaker 1: It's make sure you're healthy come week one. Yeah, because

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Speaker 1: He had cones, so we know he's working around the clock.

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Speaker 1: and of course through all of last season. But COVID nineteen,

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Speaker 1: to do offensively. Perhaps maybe for the first time in

429
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 1: Kingsbury's ten years head coach. Yeah, I think the offense

430
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 1: is still going to be eleven and twelve personnel, so

431
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 1: three wide receivers, one tight, one back, twelve personnels, two

432
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 1: tight ends, two wide and one back. And again I

433
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,160
Speaker 1: think there's situational football. If you need to get into

434
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 1: field goal range, you know, at the end of a half,

435
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 1: go four wide. If you've got a couple of timeouts,

436
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 1: you use the sidelines, get Matt Prader in position, you know.

437
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,679
Speaker 1: So I think there's times and to me, if they

438
00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,160
Speaker 1: can get a lead in the fourth quarter, you don't

439
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 1: want to go out there and go thringing out because

440
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 1: even though the Cardinals have the hurry up offense, they

441
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,639
Speaker 1: don't snap the ball like with twenty five seconds. So

442
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 1: let it go down at fourteen twelve ten. But I

443
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,360
Speaker 1: think I think based on the top four receivers, they

444
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 1: could go four wide. But I think their base offense

445
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 1: is going to be eleven and twelve personnel. And I

446
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: think that's with Sean Kugler once and I think that's

447
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 1: what Kingsbury is willing to adjust to. And so there'll

448
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 1: be a time and a place for it, because literally

449
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 1: on paper, you can go for wide. Now, yes, because

450
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 1: of the personnel you have. But I like what you

451
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 1: said about Sean Cougler ad end Cam Turner, those promotions,

452
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 1: those extra duties specifically for coach Kugler as far as

453
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,959
Speaker 1: run game coordinator. The of the addition of Rodney Hudson,

454
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 1: which I think was the biggest addition this team made

455
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: on either side of the football, that's gonna have the

456
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: biggest impact on the team. It would appear that, yes,

457
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 1: you might have some more balance. And we say all

458
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: the time, it's become cliche, but it's true. The run

459
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 1: sets up the pass. You have to be able to

460
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 1: run the football. Efficient doesn't have to be for one

461
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: hundred yards on a hundred and twenty yards a game,

462
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: but you do need to have that offense at least

463
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: or the defense at least recognize that you can run

464
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: the football so they're not always just ready for four

465
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: wide receivers and spreading the football out because it does.

466
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: We did see that predictability a lot last season. Yeah,

467
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: and we learned from you know, the first month of

468
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,199
Speaker 1: the season, you got to protect the edges and then

469
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,479
Speaker 1: last year, you know, Kylo was banged up and they

470
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 1: were mushed in the pocket meeting keeping him in the pocket.

471
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: You know, this is Kingsbury's third year. You know he's

472
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 1: he's probably better equipped. I think he's more comfortable, and

473
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,199
Speaker 1: I think he's more confident with his players and the

474
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 1: staff because there's there's great communication. I think they got

475
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 1: a really good staff. Now when it comes to wins

476
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 1: and losses, they're judged. It's a production business based on results.

477
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: But I think he's more comfortable in his skin. He's

478
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 1: never really going to give you a whole ton in

479
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: the press conference, but you could see that he's relying

480
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 1: on his staff now he's delegating and that he had

481
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 1: he had a lot on his plate. And that's what

482
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 1: happens when you become a young head coach for the

483
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: first time, you feel you got to do everything well.

484
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: Now you have a really good staff. It's experienced in

485
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 1: a lot of different positions. So it's his third year,

486
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: so you hope he can take that next step two

487
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: and when it comes to Kyler, things I want to

488
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 1: see is set in the pocket an extra second or two,

489
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,959
Speaker 1: make those plays and the intermediate routes eleven than nineteen

490
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: because he's really good after forty yards he can throw

491
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,959
Speaker 1: the deep ball. Maybe they can take the top off

492
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: the defense, and I want to see him throw on

493
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 1: the run a little bit better this year, you know,

494
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: because he's a baseball player and that should come natural

495
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: to him. Now it's a little bit different when you're

496
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 1: rolling up to your left side where you're thrown across

497
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: your body. But he can make all the throws, so

498
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 1: I just want him to, you know, he says he

499
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: wants to be a pocket pastor just give your offensive

500
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: line a little bit, you know, second or two where

501
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: you can step up in that pocket and if you

502
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 1: need to pull it down and roll out and get

503
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: somebody open. I think that will go a long way

504
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: when it comes to the balance of the offense. And

505
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: I do think that that is the next step for

506
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and this offense to have the ability to

507
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: at least look at what the defense is trying to do,

508
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: survey of the defense, and maybe even after you break

509
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: that huddle and the defense is showing what they want

510
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: to do, you recognize it's quicker, and then all of

511
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: a sudden, you know what you're going to do even

512
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 1: before the ball is snapped. The ability to read and

513
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: react that that only improves as you get more experience

514
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: in this league, and he's started every single game of

515
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: his two year career. Now going into the year at three,

516
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 1: I do think that he is smarter. He is a

517
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: smarter football player based on what he has seen so

518
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 1: far through his first two seasons. And then you got

519
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 1: the Rodney Hudson effect. I mean he's going to be

520
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 1: able to make the calls. I mean they get to

521
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and they called something in the huddle,

522
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: and you know, it looks like they're going to have

523
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 1: veteran offensive line. You start with Hump, you start with Pew,

524
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: you start with Hudson. We'll see what happens at right guard.

525
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: I mean, Winners has the experience there. And then Calvin

526
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: Beacham played all sixteen games. He's been in the league

527
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: for a while. So again, maybe their backups are depth

528
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 1: guys and Max Garcia. You know, I'm curious to where

529
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: Josh Jones lines. Who's your swing tackle. We'll get into

530
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: some of the stuff, but I just I just feel

531
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,719
Speaker 1: like everyone's more comfortable and confident, like they're not second

532
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: guessing things. I think they're like, hey, this is who

533
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: we are, let's go out there and do it. So

534
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: Kyle Murray in the offense. Is your number one storyline.

535
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,959
Speaker 1: I kind of had it as number four for me

536
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 1: and obviously fits number one. Number two for me is

537
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: something that really blew up over the weekend, and that

538
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: is Chandler Jones and I'm even gonna throw in Jordan

539
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: Hicks here because those are the two names MJ that's

540
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: have been talked a lot about. But we did not

541
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: see during offseason workouts. Neither was there during OTAs, neither

542
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,959
Speaker 1: was around during mandatory mini camp. And now Chandler Jones,

543
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 1: according to an ESPN report, has requested a trade this offseason.

544
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: Now read the story and then kind of parse the

545
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: words a little bit. I know you ran into Chandler

546
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: earlier this offseason. So is this news now coming out

547
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: because we're close to training camp, or is this news

548
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: coming out because this was a new request, like recent

549
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: request or this offseason? Means at some point this offseason,

550
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: whether that in April, was that in May, was that

551
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: in June? I mean a lot of time has happened

552
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: here this offseason. But Chandler Jones and Jordan Hicks, I

553
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: do think both will reports, But what do they have

554
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: to say if May it available to the media, and

555
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: I think those two names and what has said something

556
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on, because you do want players

557
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: who want to be here and are happy, because that

558
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: concernedly disrupts a locker room. If there is any I

559
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't say negativity, but if guys don't want to be

560
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: here and all of a sudden aren't giving there all,

561
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: if you will because they are looking to get out

562
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: all right. This is my five point I guess list

563
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: when it comes to Chandler drills. First, he's under contract

564
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: for the upcoming season. Second, he's coming off an injury.

565
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: Didn't play very well last year in the first five games. Third,

566
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: he'll be thirty two in February, he's expected to be

567
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: at camp. If not, he'll be fine fifty thousand a day. Fourth,

568
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: the Cardinals could put the franchise tag on it for

569
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: the next two years, which he probably doesn't want to

570
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: hear that, but they own his rights. He'll be He's

571
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: thirty one, coming off an injury, and I've maintained that

572
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: he wasn't in shape last year and it looked like it.

573
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: Now this year he looks completely different. So and he's motivated.

574
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: He wants to put up eighteen to twenty six so

575
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: be it, go for it. But you know, I get it.

576
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: I think it's the Asian talking, and you know, it

577
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: kind of reminds me of Clais Campbell. He was thirty one.

578
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: They offered a little bit different inflation back then, but

579
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: they offered Michael Bennett money three years thirty one seventeen

580
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: a half. Well, Clais wanted to be the franch face

581
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: of the franchise. He got four years sixty thirty guarantee.

582
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: Now I'm sure you look at Chandler's numbers, his cap

583
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: numbers twenty million this year, fifteen five. I think when

584
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: you look at what he's done, he's probably worth seventeen

585
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: or eighteen million per year, and I don't know what

586
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: the bonus would be. So again, I hope he balls out,

587
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: you know, makes it, you know, bet on himself, so

588
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: to speak. But we know how much they missed him

589
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: last year, even though he got off to a slow start.

590
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: I think he's motivated. He realizes this is you know,

591
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: a point in his career where he's gonna you know,

592
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: be healthy first of all, and then he's got to

593
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: just you know, put his head down, tunnel vision, so

594
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: to speak, and just just focus on football and I

595
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: think he'll do that. The longest tenured player, Chandler Jones

596
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: five seasons going back to twenty sixteen, and now all

597
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: of a sudden he becomes that face of the defense

598
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: with no Patrick Peterson around. I am fairly confident, insane

599
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: that not only will Chandler Jones report, but he will

600
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: play this season for the Arizona Cardinals the entire season. Now,

601
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: what happens at the end of this coming season, I

602
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: don't know, but I don't see any way that the

603
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: Cardinals trade Chandler Jones because you have to ask yourself,

604
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: bird gang is Chandler Jones? If you lose Chandler Jones,

605
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: are you a better football team? And the obvious enter

606
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: is no, all right, So if you trade him, what

607
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: are you acquiring? There is no one out there that

608
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: you could acquire that all of a sudden you replace

609
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: a Chandler Jones, You don't replace eight Chandler Jones. And

610
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: I am anxious to see how he jj Watt, Jordan Phillips,

611
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: all of these guys work together defensively, So yes, everyone

612
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: wants their piece of the pie, and is very simple.

613
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: This would all go away if there is a contract

614
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: restructuring or a contract extension. I don't know if that's

615
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: going to happen, but I think a lot of this

616
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: is much ado about nothing because Chandler, and quite plainly,

617
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: he has no leverage in this situation. He has to

618
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: show up, he has to perform if he does want

619
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: to get paid post twenty twenty one. Yeah, and my

620
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: fifth was I don't see him missing any games barring injury.

621
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: I mean, again, I know that the checks are a

622
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: little bit different. Usually got you know, checks every week

623
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: throughout an eighteen nineteen whatever it is, nineteen nineteen week,

624
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: nineteen weeks. Now it's about twenty six weeks, so they're

625
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: not going to miss get game checks. And again, I

626
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: still think it could be a productive. But you know,

627
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: when you start getting north of thirty and he's got

628
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: an injury, and you know, there's it's one of those

629
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: deals when you're a pass rusher and he as much.

630
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: He's got to go against these left tackles and his

631
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: arms get twisted up a little bit and he's always

632
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: stabbing for the ball. I mean, I think he'll come

633
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: back from the injury, but that's something you have to

634
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: look for, just because you know, last year he was

635
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: kind of huffing and puffing at times, and I think

636
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: maybe he let a guard down a little bit and

637
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: wasn't able to get there. I'm just speculating, but I

638
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: just watch him on social media and he looks much better.

639
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he takes his shirt off. He looks a

640
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: lot better than year ago at this time. Now. With

641
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: regards to Jordan Hicks, this one I think is a

642
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Speaker 1: little bit more delicate. He reportedly was given permission to

643
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Speaker 1: seek a trade, obviously has not happened. I've been very

644
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: vocal about having Jordan Hicks on this roster for what

645
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: it means to Zavian Collins and Isaiah Simmons. I think

646
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: it would be a huge benefit if Hicks is on

647
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Speaker 1: this roster to serve as a mentor, if you will,

648
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Speaker 1: to two young inside linebackers, because I've got those two,

649
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: Collins and Simmons as my number three storyline this camp.

650
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: Because you are asking a lot from two young, unproven players,

651
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: and then you look at the depth behind those two.

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Speaker 1: If you don't have a Jordan Hicks, then I don't

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00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: know how much you have behind those guys. Whether Collins

654
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: or Simmons go down or they need a breather, then

655
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, there is not much behind them.

656
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: So I hope everything gets worked out. I understand there

657
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: might be some hurt feelings. You're a two year starter

658
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: with this team. You've done everything right and then all

659
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: of a sudden, your air apparent has been drafted, and

660
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: not only that, but he's been named the starter and

661
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: you've done nothing wrong. Maybe your play has dropped off

662
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Speaker 1: a little bit. So I understand where Hicks is coming from.

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Speaker 1: But I do think the Cardinals are better off with

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Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks on this roster than off. I would agree,

665
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: and I think he's a pros pro. You don't get

666
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: named captain coming to a new team like he did.

667
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: He's very close to vance. You know, hopefully it'll help

668
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: those young guys and maybe he gets a chance to play,

669
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Speaker 1: maybe he plays on special teams. But you know, after that,

670
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: it's really Zeke Turner and Tenor Vallejo. So it was

671
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: curious to see if the Cardinals look at their inside linebackers.

672
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: Clearly they're excited about the top three. You know, if

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00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: Hicks is that third guy, you know, I think the

674
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: Cardinals did try to trade Jordan Hicks and it didn't

675
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: work out, and then I think there was some interest

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00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: in Devondre Campbell and he ended up signing with the Packers.

677
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Speaker 1: So I would have loved to have Campbell backs. I

678
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: thought he would be really helpful. What I think Hicks

679
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: can be helpful to me. He's a pros pro. You're

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00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,719
Speaker 1: also playing, You're also on film, so other thirty one

681
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: other teams are gonna look at you. You know, He's

682
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: probably not a three down linebacker anymore in the NFL,

683
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Speaker 1: but he can definitely bring some leadership and credibility to

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Speaker 1: a locker room. I've got one more training camp storyline,

685
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Speaker 1: But what do you have as far as storylines before

686
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Speaker 1: we talk about position battles here in training camp or

687
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: as far as storylines what we've already discussed kind of

688
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: where you're at right now? Well, you know, you know,

689
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: obviously we talk about, you know, the Cardinals offensive line

690
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: and John Cooler having a little bit more, you know,

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Speaker 1: possibly save even though Kingsbury's gonna call the plays, I mean,

692
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: the running game, the one two punch. I like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, how much is Rodney Hudson going to prove

694
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Speaker 1: the offensive line? But post fits, what do you think

695
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: of these wide receivers? I like the top four or five.

696
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Isabella's six right now. I mean they,

697
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: like I said earlier, they can roll out for wide receivers.

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00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna see Christian Kirk and Rondel Moore

699
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: in the slot, and then AJ Green on the outside,

700
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins, and I think Keyshawn Johnson if he continued

701
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: to develop, hopefully a new coach and Sean Jefferson will

702
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: go a long way there. But I'm just curious. It

703
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: wasn't like Fitz was targeted a lot. He was kind

704
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: of phased out, but just having him on the field,

705
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: he was a good blocker who takes that role now.

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00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: But again, after the top four, I think there's a

707
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: little bit of drop off when it comes to Keyshawn

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Speaker 1: Johnson and Andy Isabella. So wide receiver that position to

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Speaker 1: pay attention to in training camp. My last storyline is

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00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: the thirty somethings. Every big name addition, with the exception

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00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: of James Connor in their thirties, Malcolm Butler thirt one,

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00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: AJ Green thirty two, he'll turn thirty three on the

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00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: thirty first, Rodney Hudson thirty two, Colton McCoy thirty four,

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00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: he'll be thirty five on September fifth, Matt Prator thirty six.

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00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 1: He'll be thirty seven by the time the season begins.

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00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: JJ Watt thirty two, Sean Williams thirty, Brian Winters thirty.

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00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 1: I just named eight players, six expected starters, and the yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm counting Matt Prator as a starter. So you are

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00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: asking a lot from guys who have resumes, who have

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00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: long careers, how much do they have lefts? And I

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00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: know it's a it's a question that gets asked, and

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00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: maybe it's not a fair question, but I know all

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Speaker 1: those names that I just rattled off, they're very highly motivated,

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00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: but it is you have to wonder, all right, where

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00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: are they in their careers and can they be successful

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00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: still in their early thirties. Yeah, and that's why, you know,

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Speaker 1: when I read the Chandler Jones thing, I mean, there's

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00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: a reason why that Cardinals went out and got JJ

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00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: Watt to param Chandler Jones. They can line up on

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00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: the same side, you know. I think they got a

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Speaker 1: nice mixture of youth and experience there. I mean, yes,

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Speaker 1: I mean the thing is, we can go down on

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Speaker 1: the list. I believe all those guys played sixteen games

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Speaker 1: last year and maybe fifteen maybe winners didn't play one

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Speaker 1: game or two. But yeah, I like the fact that

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Speaker 1: you've got some young guys. But in this league, I mean, yes,

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00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: it's a young man's game, but I'll take experience over

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00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: a guy that looks good in shorts and you know,

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00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: he gets in the game and he's thinking and he

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00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: can't react. So again, I think they got an with

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Speaker 1: Buddha Baker and Jalen Thompson and he's throwing you know,

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Speaker 1: the Collins and Simmons, and you're throwing some of the

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Speaker 1: defensive tackles. And then Marcus Golden, to me is he's

744
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: not young, but he's a guy that brings a lot

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Speaker 1: of energy. So it's to me, it's a good mixture

746
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Speaker 1: youth and experience where you're gonna have to develop some

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Speaker 1: guys behind the starters, and I think that's the idea

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Speaker 1: with the rotation at defensive tackle. Yeah, experience sometimes does

749
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: trump talents because they're aware of what they can and

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Speaker 1: can't do because they've been in this league for a

751
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: year or two or a handful of seasons, so they

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00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: know what to expect all right ahead of what we

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Speaker 1: think are some of the more intriguing training camp position battles.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals training camp position battles. And for me, MG, I

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00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: see only one real battle as far as a starting

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00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: position or a starting spot available on the offensive side

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Speaker 1: of the ball, and that's right guard, where it's Brian Winters,

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Speaker 1: Justin Murray, Max Garcia and Josh Jones, those four battling

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Speaker 1: out to see who is going to finish out your

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Speaker 1: offensive line. They say competition, but you just look at

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00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: his starts and the fact that he has relationship with

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00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: Kelvin Beecham, who's on the right side. And I thought Jr.

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00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: Sweezy was a good edition. He just kind of wore

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Speaker 1: down and he's you know, he played a ton of snaps,

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Speaker 1: so you bring in winners. He's got fifty three starts,

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00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: maybe fifty five. I'm curious, Craig, who who the swing

772
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: tackle is going to be. I mean, because they say

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00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: Josh Jones can I don't know if he can snap,

774
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: but they say he can play four different positions. Who's

775
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: your swing tackle? Is it Justin Murray? If he doesn't

776
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: get the start? We know Murray can play for different positions.

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00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: So and I think Max Garcia is going to be

778
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: your backup center because they do have a depth that guard.

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00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: If you want to go with Josh Jones, you want

780
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: to go with Justin Murray, you want to go with Winners,

781
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: Garcia would be uf. They usually address eight on game day,

782
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 1: so you're you're gonna have to have a swing tackle,

783
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: probably an extra center, and then figure out who can

784
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: play multiple positions and that will dictate who's active on

785
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: game day. So I like the line. It's just you know,

786
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: but I think Winners. I hate to say it's his

787
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: job to lose because you know, I haven't really watched

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00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: him besides highlights and read you know, his scouting report

789
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: coming out of college, because Murray's earned it and Josh

790
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: Jones they're really excited about him. I mean, I would

791
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be your future tackle if Kelvin Beach him,

792
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: you know, retires at some point so I like the

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00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: fact that they they're just not pigeonhole to do one thing.

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00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: I do believe Winters has maybe the leg up, if

795
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: you will, because of his experience. Justin Murray perhaps knows

796
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: the offense a little bit more. So it will be curious,

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00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: and I do think you're going to see both of

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00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: those players, maybe even a Garcia and Jones get some reps,

799
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: maybe not all with the first team, but they're going

800
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: to get reps with those top two offensive lines, and

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00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: there might be a rotation. Maybe the first day we

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00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 1: do see Winters out there as the starting right guard,

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00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: and then the next day it's Justin Murray, just to

804
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: see who works well, not only one on one, but

805
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: works well together as a group. To your point about

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00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: Kelvin Beacham, he and Winters, yes, they were teammates with

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00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: the New York Jets, so there is that's familiarity. You

808
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: could also say the same thing though about Justin m

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00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: He closed out the season as the starting right guard,

810
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Speaker 1: and then you figure that out and then it becomes

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Speaker 1: a trickle down as all right, well, who becomes the backup?

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Speaker 1: And to your point, you need to have a swing tackle,

813
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: and again that could be Murray, it could be Jones.

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00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: It's and Josh Jones's development I think is going to

815
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: be something to pay attention to as well in training camp,

816
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: just to see one where he gets the bulk of

817
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: his reps and then how he looks because another coaching

818
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: staff is very high on him. We saw him as

819
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: that quote unquote sixth offensive lineman last season, but he

820
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 1: is someone that they were very excited to get even

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Speaker 1: though he was a third round pick. Well, don't mean

822
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: to be redundant, but Kuger is going to play the

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Speaker 1: best five guys. And to me to sit here and say, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, if something happened to beat him, clearly there's

825
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: a drop off. But I think they're comfortable with Murray

826
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Speaker 1: or Josh Jones there. If something happened two winners, they

827
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Speaker 1: have two backups there. If something happens to Hudson, let's

828
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Speaker 1: just you know, scream. But you do have Max Garcia.

829
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Speaker 1: So they really want to create a second group that

830
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: it's not a huge drop off. Now again, there's a

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Speaker 1: reason why they're starters, and at the end of the day,

832
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Speaker 1: Kugler's going to play the best five guys. I do

833
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 1: like the depth because I do think you have ten

834
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: names that you could put out there. And we heard

835
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: coach Kugler mentioned this offseason, I want my second unit

836
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: to be just as good as the first unit, because

837
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: you don't want that drop off if one guy goes down,

838
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: or someone needs a break, or you lose someone for

839
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: a game or two. And I do think, I do

840
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 1: believe that this might be the best depth overall as

841
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: far as an offense from left to right, not just

842
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: at a one particular position, but across the board as

843
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: far as just mount the amount of guys that have

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Speaker 1: been drafted, acquired, or signed to make this the best

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Speaker 1: offensive line for Kyler Murray in year three. Yeah, and

846
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: they've done it a couple of different ways. I mean,

847
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: you bring in Justin Pe a free agent, You bring

848
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: in Sweezy a free agent. You draft DJ Humphreys, you

849
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Speaker 1: make a trade for Rodney Hudson, you signed Brians, You

850
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: bring in Murray Justin Murray as a street free agent.

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00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: You draft Josh Jones in the third round. They had

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00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: him ranked thirtyeth overall on their board. So yeah, and again,

853
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: you can do a couple of different ways. You'd love

854
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: to draft these guys and develop them, but some rookies

855
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: aren't ready to play right away. No, and sometimes it

856
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: does take a year or two. DJ Humphries is a

857
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: perfect example someone who waited his time and now all

858
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: of a sudden he's among the best left tackles in

859
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: the NFL. All right, the best position battle on defense

860
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: for me as far as maybe a starting position. And

861
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: this is something that changed based off of what Advanced

862
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: Joseph had to say about Byron Murphy. Murphy is going

863
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 1: to be on the field as a starting cornerback. Now

864
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: is he the outside corner because they're going two corners

865
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: or is the inside corner because they got three corners

866
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: on the field. Who is that other corner? Is it

867
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: Malcolm bother or is it a healthy Robert Alford? Now

868
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 1: I think we've had this discussion before when we talked

869
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: about the cornerback position. All three of those players that

870
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: I just named, they're going to be on the field

871
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: a lot. But in those situations where you just have two,

872
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: who is the second next to Murphy? I gotta think

873
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Malcolm Butler. Now the whole idea is

874
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: we'll see how Robert Alford looks. I'm not concerned. I'm

875
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: want to make sure he gets the weak one. But

876
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: we've talked about a teams are are running eleven personnel,

877
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: three wide, one tight, one back about sixty seven to

878
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: seventy percent. So that's a lot of base offense. But

879
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna run into some teams are gonna try to

880
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: play two wide receivers, two tight ends to try to

881
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: get matchups against your young linebackers. And so I would

882
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: assume that's gonna be Malcolm Butler just based on what

883
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: he did last year. Alfred hasn't played in a couple

884
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: of years, and Byron Murphy. But I do agree with you.

885
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: All three will be on the field the majority of

886
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: the time, and I think more times than not those

887
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: three names knock on wood. If all healthy, that's your

888
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: starting group. You're gonna play three corners. And remember when

889
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: we talk starters, it is just the first snap of

890
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: the offense, first nap of the defense. That's the only

891
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: thing they take into account. Then at the end of

892
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: that you have to look at snap counts at the

893
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: end of the game to figure out who's really playing

894
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: and then who maybe is searching for more playing time. Yeah,

895
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: and you know the Cardinals went out and got Darkques

896
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: DENARTI I think he's four right now, and I think

897
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: Marco Wilson, just based on his upside and special teams player,

898
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: I think he may have an upper hand on tay Gowen. Again,

899
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: I need to see these guys in pads, so I

900
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: think if they keep four or five corners, I think

901
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,919
Speaker 1: Denard is gonna have to show his worth. And again

902
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: I think Marco Wilson, just playing in the SEC, going

903
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: against some of the top receivers in the country, has

904
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: a little bit edge on tay Gowen. Doesn't mean tay

905
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: Gowen cannot be a you know, a guy that sides

906
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 1: it a practice squad and be a future guy there.

907
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think, you know, we'll see. I think

908
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: they could keep four or five and then you know,

909
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: safety is really interesting after the top two starters, all right,

910
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: So right guard for me and then the number two cornerback,

911
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: biggest position battle offense and defense for you? Where do

912
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: you lean are your eyes going during training camp? As

913
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: far as position battles, I don't know if there's another

914
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: starting spot out there, but as far as maybe perhaps

915
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: depth or that that that backup that might be inching

916
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: closer to a starting spot, well, we kind of touchdown it.

917
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: You know, who's going to back up Collins and Simmons

918
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: And you know, I think that's going to be Jordan

919
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: Hicks just based on experience and smarts and leadership, and

920
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: we'll see about you know, zig Turner and Tanner Vallejo.

921
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: Kylie Fits is more of an edge rusher on the outside,

922
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: sets the edge. I'm looking at the outside linebacker spot.

923
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 1: So you get a healthy Chandler Jones, Marcus Golden, Kennard,

924
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: and then Victor Demo Kage. I mean I wouldn't surprised

925
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: if he makes a roster I mean they listen as

926
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: an outside linebacker. I still think you can put him

927
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: with his hand the dirt, So we'll see where it

928
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: goes there. But yeah, I'm curious to see what that

929
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: rotation is. You know, Canard got off to a really

930
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: good start, and give him a ton of credit. He

931
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: worked out around the clock this offseason, so he knows

932
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: what's ahead of him. You know, Golden can rush the

933
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: pastor he's good in the run support Jones obviously he's

934
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: a three down packer. So after those top three guys,

935
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: who's the other guy? And he man only play five

936
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: to ten snaps. It's just getting the rotation because Chandler's

937
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: going to be up there in age and in Golden

938
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: we know he plays with his hair on fire. And

939
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: Canard to me, is he more reversed and second down

940
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: guy so he could set the edge and stop the

941
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: run or they want him rushing the pastors. So after

942
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: the top three, I want to see somebody else step up,

943
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: and someone's going to get that opportunity because Dennis Gardeck

944
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: is not on the field as of yet, so there

945
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: will be an opportunity to be that guy. How long

946
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: they get that opportunity before Gardek returns? Who knows. I'm

947
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: also interested and we talked offense defense, but for me

948
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: special teams, who is going to emerge as the kickoff

949
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: and punt returner. It's not a lot of snaps, but

950
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: they could be so huge as far as pivotal plays

951
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: in a ball game, just how much more adventageous the

952
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: offense might be as far as starting field position. If

953
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: you have a good return to open a game, or

954
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: you get that defense to stop you force a punt,

955
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you've got that punt returner

956
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: with a nice electric you know ten fifteen twenty yard return.

957
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, the crowd gets amped and the

958
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: offense feels good as they trot on into the football field.

959
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 1: I think we're both in agreement that that is going

960
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 1: to be rondel Moore. But a year ago, I should

961
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: say two years ago, at this time, it was, well,

962
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Andy Isabella. Well it didn't work out,

963
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: so we need to see it. So if it's not

964
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: rondel Moore, who is it going to be? Good question?

965
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: I mean, Christian Kirk, you can put him back there.

966
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: You know DJ Foster, he signed with the CFL team.

967
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: He was kind of the up guy. The up guy

968
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: really has to block, and that was Chase Emmons last year.

969
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: He was returning. He's gonna get every opportunity. And in in Craig,

970
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: I know they changed the rules when it comes to

971
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: the kickoff, it's one of the most exciting players in football,

972
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: along with a punt return. I mean, when you can

973
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: get a pick six, punt return for a touchdown or

974
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: a kickoff, it tilts the field all of a sudden

975
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: the other team has to try to gain another possession.

976
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: So I do think special teams should be better. Andy

977
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: Lee has been consistent. I know he's getting up there,

978
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: but he knows what he's doing. He pins the ball

979
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: in the twenty and then Matt Prater. I mean that's

980
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: something that you know, it's going to be interesting to

981
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: see how, you know, this team uses field position. We

982
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: know he can kick fifty yarders. He's got to be

983
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: more consistent on the forty to forty nine, similar to

984
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: Zane last year. So I think they're special teams under

985
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: Jeff Rodgers would be much better. They want to get

986
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: better in the return game and covering kicks. So you've

987
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: got a veteran kicker who's kicked in pressure kicks and

988
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: then if Rondel Moore can be that guy, and I

989
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: think that's where he's going to get his feet what

990
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: Initially they'll rotate him and Kirk if they want to

991
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: go three wide or four wide. But I do think

992
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: special teams. Hopefully we're talking about it more than you know.

993
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: The Cardinals blew a game here because they couldn't kick

994
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: a field goal. Yeah, and there are a number of

995
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: instances where it did come down to the kicking game.

996
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: Last season win O the Cardinals just one game out

997
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 1: of the postseason, and those those moments. You know, late

998
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: in games, you want someone with experience, and that's why

999
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: the Cardinals went out and got Matt Prador to be

1000
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: that go to guy, if you will, to make those

1001
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: clutch kicks and send this team into the locker room

1002
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 1: with the win as opposed to everyone hanging their heads

1003
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: because of a difficult loss. All Right, some other position battles,

1004
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: MJ that you're looking at, and it doesn't Again, I

1005
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: don't know how many starting position jobs that are out there,

1006
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: but as far as depth, I know you've mentioned the

1007
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: wide receiver battle and the safety position as far as

1008
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: behind Buddha Baker and Jayalen Thompson. But some other position

1009
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: battles the Bird Gang needs to be aware of. Well,

1010
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back to the safety because after Buddha

1011
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: Baker and Jalen Thompson, I mean, they went out and

1012
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: got Sean Williams from Cincinnati, more of a special teams player.

1013
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: Chrisp Angel's back on the roster. You know, they got

1014
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: Deontay Thompson. I thought last year he showed me a

1015
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: little bit more in the run support game. They drafted Wiggins,

1016
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 1: So I mean, do you keep five there? You keep four? Again?

1017
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: If they if they keep six or seven linemen, Let's

1018
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: say they keeps seven linemen, eight linebackers, you could go.

1019
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: You could go with ten, five and five. Now, all

1020
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: those guys won't dress on game day, but when you

1021
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: start looking at that third, fourth corner or safety, they're

1022
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: going to play on special team. So I think they

1023
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: fled the position. But clearly Jalen Thompson has to stay

1024
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: healthy because it allows Boodho Baker to do so many

1025
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: of different things where he can roll them around and

1026
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: be that a racer. If you have those two consistently

1027
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: on the field. And don't forget about ban Joe. We

1028
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: did start four games last season that veteran in that room.

1029
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: But Jalen Thompson, who coach Joseph has been always very

1030
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: high on as far as his ability tackling and then

1031
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: knowledge of the game. It's just the issue of being

1032
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: able to stay on the football field. And we don't

1033
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: need them to be on the football field and training camp.

1034
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: We need all these players to be available week one.

1035
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: The other position group that I'm paying attention to, and

1036
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: I don't even know if it's really a competition, but

1037
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: head coach Cliff Kingsbury said it's a competition, and that's

1038
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 1: a backup quarterback. It was a storyline late last season

1039
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: and it wasn't much of a line and training camp.

1040
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: But I do think MJ, we're going to focus a

1041
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: little bit more on what Colton McCoy and Chris Traveler

1042
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: are doing on the football field when they get their

1043
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: reps at State Farm Stadium, because you need to have

1044
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 1: someone that you're comfortable and confident in and right now,

1045
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 1: without even seeing him, for me, it's Colton McCoy because

1046
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: I have seen Chris Traveler and it was not good

1047
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: last year in Los Angeles. They made it a priority.

1048
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: I don't know how many players there, you know, And

1049
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: I always mentioned RG three and he's still looking for

1050
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: a job. And then I mentioned Tyrod Taylor. Of course,

1051
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: Houston snapped him up really quick. I know the Cardinals

1052
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 1: had interest in Tyrod Taylor a few years ago when

1053
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: he was in Buffalo before he went to Cleveland. So

1054
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: listen to me, it's a no brainer. Colton McCoy's a

1055
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: backup quarterback. They cannot afford to do that again. And

1056
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: I think that that was when you start looking back

1057
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: and reflecting on the season. We have to get a

1058
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: veteran guy, and he's a Texas guy. He's played it,

1059
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: he's playing the league long enough. He's not taking Kyler

1060
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: Murray's job. He's going to be a nice sounding board

1061
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: for him. And then Turner is more now the quarterbacks coach.

1062
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: So I like that room right there. But again, I

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Speaker 1: guess you gotta let a play out. But to me,

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00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: stragglers should be on the practice squad. Let him run

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Speaker 1: the scout team. Yeah, I agree with you. I want

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Speaker 1: to see Colt McCoy as that number two quarterback behind

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Speaker 1: Kyle the Murray And hopefully we never see McCoy on

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Speaker 1: the football field. Just here about him and what he

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Speaker 1: has done for Murray, whether that is on the field

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Speaker 1: or off the field, as far as building him up

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Speaker 1: not only his skill set, but his leadership as well,

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Speaker 1: because you know, this team, they believe they found their

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Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. Now Kyle the Murray needs to show everyone

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Speaker 1: that he can be that franchise quarterback. Yeah, and normally

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Speaker 1: Cliff does a good job and Kyler, especially if it's

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00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: three out and he's frustrated, you know, he goes to

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00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: the inn and a bench and then you'll see the

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Speaker 1: Cam Turner with the green hat. Now, McCoy nothing against

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Speaker 1: bart Hunley. Hunley was competing for a job, but he

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00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: probably felt like, you know, I'm the third string quarterback,

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Speaker 1: so I'm just gonna stay in my lane here. I

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00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: gotta think when he comes back, and eventually Kingsbury comes

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00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: over there looking at the iPads, the Microsoft high pad,

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00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: and then you got a guy like Colton McCoy. Hey,

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00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: look for this. This defense has showing you this look,

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00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: but when you snapped the ball, they're showing you a

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00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: different look. So that only can help that. Again, you

1088
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: don't want too many cooks in the kitchen. But I

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00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: think he respects the fact that Colt McCoy was a

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00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: really good college quarterback and he's a true pro. When

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00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 1: it comes to being the backup quarterback. Yeah, couldn't say

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00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: it's much better than that, all right, any other position

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00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: battles away. I didn't bring up running back, And I

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00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: know there's some out there that are wondering about Jase

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00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: Edmonds and James Connor. I don't As far as the

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00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: number who starts who doesn't, I don't think it matters

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Speaker 1: any And as far as touches, I think there are

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00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: two different running backs that are going to compliment each

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00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: other and compliment this offense depending on what the offense

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00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: needs at a particular moment in the game. Couldn't agree more.

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00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 1: That's a great word complimentary. Again, when the Cardinals faced

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Speaker 1: third and two, fourth and one, you know, Connor sixty three,

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00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty two pounds. I mean, let him

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00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: barrel through there, and if he can break a tackle.

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00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: Now it's a five or six yard game chase to me,

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00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: fifteen to eighteen maybe fifteen to seventeen carries and then

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00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: four to six targets in the passing game. You know,

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00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: Connor's not really a guy that's probably gonna line up

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00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: in the passing game unless somebody's gonna leave him open.

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Speaker 1: But they'd like their won two punch, and they're kind

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00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: of intrigue with Jonathan Ward. He's more of a special

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00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: teams player. And then we'll see what happens with the

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00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: rest of the roster. Yeah, the third running back is

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00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: something that I think we'll get talked about. But again,

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00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: you're not looking at a number of touches. It might

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Speaker 1: be two a week if that, especially if Edmonds and

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00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: Connor are a role in are healthy. Yeah, and you

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00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: know Jonathan Ward got a chance to play last year.

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Speaker 1: He got a touchdown. But you know people are gonna say,

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Speaker 1: why don't you guys mention it, you know, Bennerjum And

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00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: we'll find out. I mean, we'll see where he's on

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00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: the depth chart. Usually that's kind of in kran But

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Speaker 1: is he getting reps? Is he playing on special teams?

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Speaker 1: Because he didn't play on special teams? And you know,

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Speaker 1: I think he's got a skill set that can help,

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Speaker 1: But right now, I just think he's fourth or fifth

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00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 1: on the depth chart. Bird Gang, we leave anyone out.

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Speaker 1: Hashtag cards cover two, Hashtag Cards Cover two. It's it's

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Speaker 1: hard to squeeze every player in here on this edition.

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Speaker 1: The Cardinals cover too, presented by Hunday, probably partner of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. Yet we do our best here on

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00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: this pre addition or training camp preview edition. We didn't

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Speaker 1: mention the tight ends and we still think that again,

1134
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: we can go through every position. We've done that, you know,

1135
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Speaker 1: just evaluation where they are from now to last year.

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Speaker 1: But how about Psychovits, I mean, I'm looking forward to

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00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: seeing him in the pads, yes, because you know he's

1138
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Speaker 1: got a following out there. He's guaranteed a roster spot.

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00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: I still think that Cardinals want to go out and

1140
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 1: try to pass catching titan. I know Jesse James signed

1141
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: with somebody else. I liked his name just because he

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00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: can do a little bit of both. But I'm looking

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Speaker 1: forward to seeing Psychovits. I know that, you know, hopefully

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Speaker 1: he gets a chance of playing the preseason. You want

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00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:40,919
Speaker 1: to put him in harm's way, but he looks the part.

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00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: Now it's no matter how comfortable he is, and he

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00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: can play faster. But great story there, and I know

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Speaker 1: he's got a huge fan base. Six foot five, two

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty two pounds. Psycho, It's yes, that is

1150
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Speaker 1: his nickname, and he's okay with it. We will continue

1151
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: to say it all those you mentioned. It is one

1152
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Speaker 1: of those four last names that we and all pronounce.

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Speaker 1: Yet we'll just go with the nickname Psychovits as opposed

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Speaker 1: to Burnhard Psychovits. So Psycho, yes, I'm looking forward to it.

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00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: Is why I do think it's a long shot, though,

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00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: that he would contribute this season. He wears number forty three,

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00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: obviously a lot taller than a sound redic. I want

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00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: to go see him cover a kick because he's kind

1159
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: of has that mentality where he can't do this stuff

1160
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: on the street, and you know Wolf's up there, He's

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00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: probably going to encourage him. So I just I just

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Speaker 1: hope that he's not overwhelmed. But you know, I noticed that,

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00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: you know, he's doing everything he can do to put

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Speaker 1: himself in position to at least turn some heads in

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Speaker 1: training camp. But again, I think it's a great story,

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Speaker 1: and worst case scenarios, he'll be on the practice squad

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