1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology? With 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: tech Stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hello again, everyone, 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: welcome to tech stuff. My name is Chris Polette and 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: I'm an editor here at how stuff works dot com. 6 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: Sitting across from me as always a senior writer, Jonathan Strickland. 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: I can see clearly now the rain is gone. Nice. 8 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: That was a particularly good one for our topic too. Yes, 9 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: we're talking about iCloud, which is a new service, a 10 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: new as the recording of this podcast anyway, service from Apple, 11 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: and it's facts in fact, so new that it's just 12 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: in beta right now, which we're like, hey, Apple, who 13 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 1: do you think you are? Google? Sometimes? Um, yeah, well 14 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: not not all of it's in Vada. Some of it 15 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: is still slated to come out. We had a lot 16 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: of requests from people After Apple Worldwide Developers Conference Keynote, 17 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: which was an early which was in early June, they 18 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 1: announced basically they gave updates on three major things, two 19 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: of which were one of which was no secret at all. 20 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: That was the new Apple OS ten Lion that's the 21 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: next version, which, um, then people were really expecting to 22 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: hear about the new iOS that's the operating system for iPod, Touch, 23 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: iPhone and iPad, so it'd be iOS five. Yeah. Yeah, 24 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: people were pretty sure that they were going to hear 25 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: and they did well of course as the developer's conference, 26 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: so you would expect them to talk about the software 27 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: available for the platform the platforms. But the third and 28 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: the one that we're going to talk about today is 29 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: is iCloud. And that's UM again something that people really expected. 30 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: In fact, uh, people actually identified the logo before it's 31 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: where it got announced. People called it the most poorly 32 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: kept secret uh for this particular conference, which I mean, 33 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: everyone was pretty sure that Apple was going to come 34 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: out with some sort of cloud based service because of 35 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: uh movements from Amazon and Google and the fact that 36 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: Apple had purchased some other companies that were related to 37 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: cloud services. Uh. Everything pointed towards that the the giant 38 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: data center they were building in North Carolina, right, but 39 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: the details behind the service were still pretty fuzzy. And 40 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: then actually, to tell you the truth, even almost a 41 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: month later, the details are still a little scarce. Uh. 42 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: You know, there's there's some stuff we know, and then 43 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: there's some stuff we suspect and there's some stuff that 44 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: just hasn't been answered yet. Yeah. And um, it's it's 45 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: funny because with the building of this data center, which 46 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: has been going on for what probably a couple of 47 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: years now, I mean, people knew that Apple was building 48 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: a very very large building in North Carolina. Um. When 49 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: you see other companies doing this, people like Google and Facebook, 50 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: you realize that there's, uh, they're probably gonna be quite 51 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: a few employees in there, there's probably gonna be a 52 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: whole lot of hardware in there. Um, especially if they're 53 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: looking for giant sources of power like Google, you know, 54 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: building along the Columbia River for hydro electricity. You know, 55 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: there's there's gonna be so you can you can take 56 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: some inferences from from the way they're behaving. Um. And 57 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: a lot of the speculation revolved around the possibility that 58 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: there would be a cloud based iTunes service and or 59 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: a streaming video service to rival you know, someone like 60 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: uh Netflix or Amazon Prime, um, you know, something where 61 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: where Apple would or Hulu they would you know, you 62 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: would subscribe to or I guess in this case, Hulu Plus, 63 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: where you would pay a subscription fee and you'd get 64 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: your music and your uh, your video on download. That's 65 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: and I think that's why people have been sort of 66 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: nonplussed about what actually came out by a little perplexed 67 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: or a little perplexed and um, and I think there 68 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: are some of that is sort of in there, and 69 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: I don't know that you can rule out those things 70 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: showing up in the service later. It's just that the 71 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: wording has been very careful to avoid that kind of 72 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: stuff recently. Yeah. Yeah, And what what rolled out is actually, 73 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: I think, compared to some of the other services that 74 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: we've been talking about recently, sort of compelling, you know, 75 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: they're they're definitely some advantages and some disadvantages of I 76 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: Cloud if you compare it to similar services. So let's 77 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: kind of talk about what I cloud is and what 78 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: it is not. I'll start off with what it is 79 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: not in the sense that, as far as we know 80 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: right now, it is not going to be any sort 81 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: of streaming service. So, in other words, you will not 82 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: be streaming content from a cloud storage system to a 83 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: device in order to enjoy it on the fly. Um. So, 84 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: unlike some of the other services like the Amazon Music 85 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: Player service, where you can store music in an Amazon 86 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: count and then access a streaming file version of that 87 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: song and listen to it. Uh. You will not necessarily 88 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: be able to do that on iCloud, at least according 89 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 1: to the way they've worded things so far. In the 90 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: way the system works right now, Well, that's that's sort 91 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: of pardon the pun, seriously hazy. Um, there is one 92 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:26,119 Speaker 1: feature that sort of suggests that there is something like that. Um, 93 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: should we should we get into the futures that maybe 94 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: we can we can touch on that way, get closer. Um, Yeah, 95 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: they're the iCloud website is actually a great place to 96 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: look for information if you want to learn more about it. Um. 97 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: And it's where I what I use for my primary source. UM. Basically, 98 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: what they want to try to do over overall is 99 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: to give you the ability to sink your information will 100 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 1: will was use it in a general sense here different 101 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: kinds of files to multiple devices, your iOS devices and 102 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: your computers, and not just MAX but PCs as well. 103 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: Hey how about Lennox. Well no, sorry at yes, that 104 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: that would be a bunto one. UM and I have 105 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: account there to actually, But anyway, h so for one thing, 106 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: and where where should we start? Should we start with 107 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: the music things. Let's start with storage. Okay, we're just okay. 108 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: So so basically, your eye Cloud account would be a 109 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: storage account where you could store uh. Now, primarily in 110 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: the beta version, you're storing things like apps, books, and music, right, 111 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: and UH you get by signing up, you get five 112 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: gigabytes of storage for free. Now here's the Here are 113 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: two things that make this really compelling. Uh. It will 114 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: go through your iTunes library and we'll match uh any 115 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: song that you've purchased through iTunes since you since you're 116 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: registering it through your iTunes account. UH, any song that 117 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: you purchased through iTunes automatically becomes part of your eye 118 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: Cloud storage locker we'll call it, but does not count 119 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: against your five gigabytes of storage. So if you've purchased, 120 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: you know, five thousand songs through iTunes over the history 121 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: of your iTunes account, all those songs are going to 122 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: show up in your eye Cloud UH locker without you 123 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: having to uh to have that kind of gainst your 124 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: five gigabytes of storage. And you can share that information 125 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: with any other device that's hooked up through your iTunes account, 126 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: up to ten devices, which is another big move. Right. 127 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: Five used to be the magic number for things like that, 128 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: and you can do it wirelessly, which is the beautiful thing. 129 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: So you could say, let's say that you have a 130 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: desktop computer at home and that's like your media computer. 131 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: You have a we'll call it. We'll say it's a 132 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: Mac because this happens to be me. I've got a 133 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: Mac media computer at home and that has my iTunes 134 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: library on it, and then I sink my iPod to 135 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: my iTunes library. So whenever I buy a new song, 136 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: I have to sink my iPod in order to get it. 137 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: Now I've got an older iPod. But let's say that 138 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: I get a newer iPod. And then let's say we 139 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: I buy some music on my uh, my iPod Touch 140 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: or my iPhone. Then I have to sync my device 141 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: to my computer. I have to, you know, it's it's 142 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: a whole lot of steps in order to make sure 143 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: that your music collection is is equal across multiple devices. Yes, 144 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: and it's a pain in the neck to to uh 145 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: to have to restore your music player, especially if it's 146 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: got if you've got a large music collection. It even 147 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: on a faster connection on the USB two for example, UM, 148 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: which is you know, I know, not necessarily the fastest. 149 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: There are other standards like USB three and Thunderbolt that 150 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: are technically faster, but I mean reasonably fast by today's standards. Um, 151 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: it's still gonna take you a while to upload you know, 152 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: gigs of data these songs to your your iPod again. Right, 153 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: So with iCloud, using your iTunes library to start with, 154 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: you know, the purchase history you have to start with, 155 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: uh it uh. The means that you don't have to 156 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: upload those songs. That that's a huge advantage over things 157 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: like the Amazon and Google approaches, where you do have 158 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: to upload your files to that cloud storage in order 159 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: to store them there. Right, So if I have five 160 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: thousand songs on my computer and I want to use 161 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: Google's approach, I have to actually upload those songs first 162 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: to my Google account. So that's gonna take a while 163 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: because upload speeds tend to be slower than download speeds 164 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: because you know, people download more than they upload, so 165 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: upstream is a slower data transfer rate. So if you're 166 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: uploading a lot of content, depending on your Internet connection, 167 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: it can take a long long time. So iTunes approach 168 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: there saves you all that time. Right, Your purchase history 169 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: becomes your library immediately in the iCloud. On top of that, 170 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: if you have songs in your iTunes library that you 171 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: did not purchase through iTunes. Let's say that you had 172 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: a collection of cd s that you ripped from using 173 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: iTunes and you've got them in your library, but you 174 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: didn't purchase them through iTunes. Well, if iTunes has those 175 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: albums and those songs in its library, that's got like 176 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: eighteen million songs in the iTunes library. So if those 177 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: songs appear in the iTunes library, what will happen is 178 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: the the service will identify those songs and match it 179 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: to the song that's in the iTunes library. Yeah, so basically, um, 180 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: you know, say you have, um, I don't know, a 181 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: cold Play album and your I'm just picking cold Play. 182 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: It's a band that I don't particularly like. I you know, Sorry, 183 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: I just picked something. I was gonna say, you too. 184 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: I don't know why either of them. So sorry, Okay. 185 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: So you know, let's say you have a record that's 186 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: in your collection and you want to add it to 187 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: your you know, your cloud storage. Um, as soon as 188 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: it recognizes that you have that in there, it says, oh, well, 189 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: we've already got that. Well we'll just give you. You 190 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: don't have to uploaded, we'll put it in here for you. 191 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: And the files that they're using are two fifty six 192 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: K iTunes plus level files. So so it might even 193 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: be like, let's say that you when you ripped the CD, 194 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: you ripped it at a lower a lower rate than 195 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: technically the higher rates one it essentially equates to as 196 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: a higher rate in general means better sound or more 197 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 1: accurate to the original version sound. So the more compression 198 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: you use, the smaller bit rate that you encode the 199 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: file ad basically means that you're leaving out more information 200 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: in the music file. So it's not going to have 201 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 1: his high fidelity. Depending upon your the sensitivity of your hearing, 202 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: you may or may not be able to detect that 203 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: with certain songs. Uh, my hearing has been to the 204 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 1: point where I really don't tend to notice unless it's really, 205 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: really really bad transfer. So yeah, so for me, it's 206 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: not as big a deal. But it's a nice thing 207 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: to know that that iTunes is going to match your 208 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: songs and probably match them to a quality that is 209 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: superior to whatever it was you were you were using before. Yeah, 210 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: and and this is where this is where I'm a 211 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: little fuzzy, because it suggests that those files are in 212 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: our stored in the cloud, and therefore that's how you 213 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 1: would access the access them, um, rather than having it, 214 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: you know, download back to your music player. I think 215 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's it's worded in a very vague way, 216 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: but based upon what I've been reading, it sounds to 217 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 1: me that you would then, uh, let's say again, We'll 218 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 1: use the example of my my desktop computer at home 219 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: and I've got my master music collection on there, and 220 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: then I've got several eye devices. Um, it sounds to 221 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: me that even the iTunes match part would just mean 222 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: that if my brand new iPhone, I brought my brand 223 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: new iPhone home and registered it and connected it to 224 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: my iTunes account, it would then download all those songs 225 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: that wouldn't stream them, it would download them and store 226 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: them locally on the uh the iPhone. Uh So that's 227 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: my interpretation based upon the wording. And again, like we said, 228 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 1: it's pretty vague. Uh there there. Maybe it's vague because 229 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: they plan to open up streaming later. It maybe that 230 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: streaming is still a sensitive topic with the music labels 231 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: that iTunes has partnered with. UM, I mean, that's one 232 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: of the reasons why I think they went with the 233 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: download method is because you know, they actually had to 234 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: partner with these music labels, as opposed to Amazon's approach 235 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: where they're like, this is just another way of accessing 236 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: content you already own. iTunes wanted this to be uh 237 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: more of a widespread data management system where you could 238 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: have that you can have access to the same data 239 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: across multiple devices. So uh, I think it's still download, 240 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: upload and download, it's not streaming. That's that's based upon 241 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: my interpretation of what they've written, and I understand that. Um. 242 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: The other piece being that, uh what we've talked about 243 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: basically the free option here because basically anyone with an account, um, 244 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: an iTunes account should be able to get iCloud just 245 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: as part of the service. But you can. They're offering 246 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: an option for ninety nine a year where you can 247 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: hold your entire collection. So that would be you know, 248 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: for a lot of people, that's going to be more 249 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: than an iPod will hold well, depending on size of 250 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: your iPod and your music collection. But you know, people 251 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: with very large music collections, uh may have gigabytes or 252 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: even terabytes worth of music, and you know, there's not 253 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: an iPod yet that will hold a terabyte. Um now, 254 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: granted give it a week. If all of your if 255 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: all of your music, and all of your books, and 256 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: all of your apps were purchased through the iTunes store, 257 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: then the five gigabytes is all you need anyway, because 258 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: it doesn't count against the five gigabytes. It's when you 259 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: start talking about music that is outside of of the 260 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: iTunes library when you start having problems. So let's say 261 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: that you've you've ripped a CD from a local band 262 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: that doesn't that's not on iTunes, and you want that 263 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: music available, Well, then you're gonna have to have you're 264 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: gonna actually have to pay that that yearly fee to 265 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: have the option to upload those files to your Actually, 266 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: I guess not because you've got the five gigabytes, but 267 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: those those songs will count against the five gigabytes and storage. 268 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: Maybe they're particularly prolific band with many many records. Um yeah, 269 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: the iTunes the iTunes Match service is kind of interesting 270 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: that that actually has the limit on it is a 271 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: twenty five thousand song limit. So if you've got now, 272 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: if you've got a whole bunch of CDs that you've 273 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: ripped and then and you may have to start making 274 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: some choices once you're like, oh this is twenty hundred 275 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: seventy five, which one was is gonna be twenty four thousand, 276 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: hundred seventy six. Well make a meatloads songs that way, 277 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: I get more quant to T. So again, we were 278 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: we were talking earlier about the I'm sorry you always 279 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: throw me off with me loo, I'm kind of hungry myself. UM. Yeah. 280 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: The thing is it's not just gonna be about video 281 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: and audio. I mean there's really not a video option 282 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: here yet, um. But there are other other compelling bits 283 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: to this service. Sorry for the again bits pun UM. 284 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: For example, photo stream UH. Photo stream behaves a little 285 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: similarly to the to the music portion of the service. 286 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: If you have a an iPhone or an iPod, toucher 287 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: an iPad with a camera UM, and you take a 288 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: photo while you're out with it, it should use iCloud 289 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: automatically to sink it. Let's say you have one of 290 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: all of the above plus a a computer UM where 291 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: you have an iTunes account, it should download everything over 292 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: to uh the different machines. So you've been on a 293 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: trip and you took your your phone with you and 294 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: you've taken pictures, it will sink to your home computer 295 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: so that you can show them off there without you 296 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 1: having to upload them. Likewise, if you take pictures with 297 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: a a UH standalone digital camera and you upload them, 298 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: say through I Photo on a Mac, you would be 299 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: able to share those to your phone and your I 300 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: iPod Touch and your iPad, assuming you have all those 301 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: devices UM, without having to take an extra step to 302 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: do that. It does that automatically. Now, it only will 303 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: save your last UH. It keeps what they call a 304 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: rolling collection of your last thousand photos. So you get 305 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: into a thousand, fifteen, thousand, sixteen, the first fifteen and 306 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: sixteen photos chronologically will start to drop off. They won't 307 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: go any they won't go anywhere, but they won't be 308 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: in your eye cloud anyway. Right, Well, the UM and 309 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: I thought I would go ahead and mention this because 310 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: I'm sure we're gonna get email UH or Facebook comments 311 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: or Twitter comments. So year that's what gives you the 312 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: access to iTunes match so so without even though as 313 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: far as I can tell, the the music that would 314 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: be matched through iTunes, I don't think that would be 315 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: counted against your five gigabytes, but I'm not entirely sure. 316 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: I know that any music you've purchased through iTunes will 317 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: not count against the five gigabytes of storage. The music 318 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: that's been matched through iTunes that might actually count against 319 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: your five gigabytes. So this is the music that you 320 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: own that is also on iTunes, but you did not 321 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 1: purchase it through iTunes. UM, so I know you. There 322 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: is the yearly fee, which is uh, and I based 323 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: upon this, I'm guessing that does count against your your 324 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: storage space, which might be why they said the song limit. Um, 325 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: I'm not entirely certain of that. Like I said, a 326 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: lot of this is vague right now, and and I 327 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: have I just got back for a vacation and I 328 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: haven't had a chance to to play with this yet. UM, 329 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: but yeah, it's uh. The it is interesting. They do 330 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: a a UM comparison of Apple's I Cloud service against 331 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 1: Amazon Service and Google Service on Apple, so you can 332 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: guess how it shapes up. But they talk about how 333 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: the methods, like the fact that you do not need 334 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: to scan your music collection to start off an iCloud. 335 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: Anything that you've purchased through iTunes will automatically be put 336 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: up there. So you don't have to upload it, and 337 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: then of course the iTunes match if you go with 338 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: that method, again, you don't need to upload that music. 339 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: It just has to be matched to iTunes library and 340 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: then that will be put into your eye Cloud as well, 341 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: whereas with Amazon and Google you both have to upload 342 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: those files to that system in order to use those 343 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: um and then that there is a specific app from 344 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: for the desktop computers and laptops which is called iTunes. 345 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: You may have heard of it that you use to 346 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: access the eye Cloud, whereas Amazon and Google you access 347 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 1: through a web brow are uh them that talks about that. 348 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: You know it has the upgrade option to the two 349 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: fifty six k UH rate for the songs um and 350 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: that the price to have access to five thousand or 351 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: twenty thousand songs is the same. It's twenty ninety nine 352 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: a year. You can have up to twenty thousand songs 353 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: that way, But if you wanted to do that with Amazon, uh, 354 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: the price for five thousand songs would be fifty dollars 355 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: a year and for twenty thousand songs two hundred dollars 356 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: a year. And then for Google, it's question mark, question 357 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: mark question mark because it hasn't been mentioned yet, so 358 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: we're still hashing that out. And we should also mention that, 359 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: you know, we've talked a lot about music because obviously 360 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 1: the the tie in with iTunes means that that's where 361 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: a lot of the focus is going. Uh. And we've 362 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: also talked about you know, any books you purchased through 363 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: iTunes or any apps you purchased through iTunes will live 364 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: in the eye cloud as well, but you can also 365 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: have other kinds of files and documents stored your eye cloud. Yeah. Yeah, 366 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: Before before we get away from that, I wanted to 367 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: point out that UM iTunes match is scheduled to hit 368 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: this fall. Yeah. I believe that's supposed to be concurrent 369 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: with the iOS five UM. But you can get your 370 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: your new and past purchases SINCD now via beta and 371 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: I had I had forgotten to mention that. So if 372 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: you've UM, if you've bought music on on your home 373 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: computer and you want to get it on uh, say 374 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: you forgot to sink your the music over. You should 375 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: be able to see it in iTunes on an iPhone 376 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: or an I pad for example, sitting in front of 377 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: me where my notes are UM, and I should be 378 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: able to Uh, if I wanted to turn off my 379 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: notes and go look, I should theoretically be able to 380 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: see that past stuff and download it if I want 381 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: to do that device, which is again in beta already now. 382 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, and you can set the download feature to 383 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: automatic if you wanted to, which means that every time 384 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: you purchased a song through iTunes or an app or 385 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: a book through iTunes, anytime you purchased one, it would 386 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: automatically download to all devices that were set to automatic. 387 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: I don't think I would want to do that. You 388 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 1: can also do it manually, so because I have, I 389 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: used my devices separately for separate reasons, and a lot 390 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: of people do. Write like some people might have a 391 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: specific iOS device that they use when they're working out, 392 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: and they have a workout song list, and they don't 393 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: want their Broadway musical list to being mixed up with 394 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: their workout song list because you know, put on a 395 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 1: Happy Face is not the song they want to hear 396 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: while they're on the elliptical. So uh, yeah, there there 397 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: are reasons why you might want to have some of 398 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: your devices set to manual. Especially let's say that you 399 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: have an enormous music collection and you don't want your 400 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,719 Speaker 1: smartphone to be completely bogged down with music, um when 401 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: you have other stuff you want to put on there, 402 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: or you don't want the same apps to go to 403 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: all of your eye devices across the entire spectrum. There 404 00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: are reasons why you might want to set it to 405 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: manu well instead of automatic. And then there are other 406 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: people who just want to have the same experience across 407 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: all their platforms. They want everything to be accessed everywhere. 408 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: But then moving back to the the other kind of 409 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: files that you can store in a way, iCloud is 410 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: replacing mobile me yes, and so ultimately once it's in 411 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: full version, once it debuts and I'm assuming it's going 412 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: to do that around the time of iOS five as well, 413 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: then you'll be able to access things like calendar and documents, 414 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: things like that across your various devices and it's all 415 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: automatically um synchronized. So just like if you have if 416 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: you're in the in the Google environment, the Google ecosystem, 417 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: and you're using Google Calendar, you know, if you're using 418 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: that to access if you're accessing that would like say 419 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: an Android smartphone, and then you switch over and you 420 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: access it through your desktop, it's already synchronized properly that way, 421 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: same kind of thing, except this is with Apple's approach 422 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: as opposed to Google's approach. So there's more functionality there 423 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 1: that's gonna appear as the uh we get closer to 424 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: the official launch um and it's you know, it's it. 425 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: I like the the approach Apple's done here. I like 426 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: the fact that i Cloud access an online backup system 427 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: for your music. So let's say that your computer suffers 428 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: a catastrophic failure, uh, and you can't recover stuff off 429 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,239 Speaker 1: your hard drive, Well, then you still know that all 430 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: of those purchases are still there. You know, it used 431 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: to be back in the day that you could contact 432 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 1: Apple and get uh, recover songs that you had lost 433 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: through some you know, other catastrophe, but it wasn't necessarily 434 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: easy to do. And now they've really streamlined that through 435 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,959 Speaker 1: i Cloud. So it's it's a fairly large shift in 436 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: that respect, and another respect, it's Apple's business as usual 437 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: and that this approach again really stresses that the system 438 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: works great if you a lot of Apple devices. Yeah, yeah, 439 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: So again they're trying to you know, it's not completely 440 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 1: closed off. You can use it with the PC but 441 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 1: whether or not you're eventually gonna be able to use 442 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: this with other kinds of mobile devices, that's less likely. Yeah, 443 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: it's um, you know, we've we've we've had this discussion, 444 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 1: and uh, most of our listeners I think are up 445 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: on where we are on the benefits and detriments of 446 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: the open versus the closed system. This is um. People 447 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: complain about Apple's closed system, but it enables much tighter 448 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: integration than you would have because Apple's got the control 449 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: over it, but you would have with other, um, other systems, 450 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: although you know, there is a benefit to being open 451 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 1: as well. So UM, it's you know, and that's why 452 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: it's so seamless for these systems, is that Apple's got 453 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: so much control over it. That's why you say that 454 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: Apple stuff just works because it's designed to work in 455 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: a very specific way. And the problem is that not 456 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: necessarily problem. But the flip side of that coin is 457 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: that it's going to work the way they intended to work, 458 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: not necessarily the way you would like it to work. 459 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: And so you may not have as much control over that. 460 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: But if you like the way it works, it may 461 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 1: be such an issue exactly. Yeah, if if you're like this, 462 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: is totally the way I want it to work. Well, 463 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: then there's no issue, right, it's the people who like 464 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 1: to hack and fiddle with things that can get a 465 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: little frustrated with Apple. And it's not saying that their 466 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: approach is right or wrong. It's just a specific approach. Yeah, 467 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: and I and I can see both sides of that. 468 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: Artist can do. Um one of the things that I 469 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: do like. Then this is not what I would consider 470 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 1: a very glamorous feature, but I think it's really cool. Um. 471 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,719 Speaker 1: And it threatens people, not necessarily Amazon or Google with 472 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: their services because um, you know, although Google has Google Docs, 473 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: UM is the what they're calling documents in the cloud 474 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: on the website where uh, there is an a p 475 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 1: I or there are APIs bill into iCloud where developers 476 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: and then again this was announced that WWDC developers can 477 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: embed these a p I s into their software so 478 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: that it will enable people who are using Apple devices 479 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: to save their documents directly into the eye Cloud. So um, 480 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: theoretically you would be able to use third party applications 481 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: and have them seamlessly access your information you know, read 482 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: to read from and store to your eye Cloud account. Um, 483 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: which would enable again more integration with multiple devices. UM. 484 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: I think that's pretty cool. It does sort of, uh 485 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: make it more challenging for people like uh Dropbox. UM. 486 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: I use, I have accounts on multiple cloud storage companies too, 487 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: so I don't think I don't mean to single them 488 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: out specifically. I do like people like box, dot Net 489 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: and and Sugar Sinc. But UM, Dropbox has been really 490 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: good about in particular about making UM their API is 491 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: available so that the I, the UM other applications that 492 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: I use can read from and store to my drop Box. 493 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: Now the eye cloud is bigger, the amount of storage 494 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: is bigger, so it may force drop Box, which is 495 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: a much smaller company to uh upgrade the amount of 496 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: storage has or you know, hopefully in a way that 497 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: doesn't compromise their password system. Right right. That's a different story. Yes, 498 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: that is a different story, but it's you know the 499 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: same kind of idea where you you can use different 500 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: applications from other people and you know, still get access 501 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: to your cloud storage seamlessly without having to worry about it. UM. 502 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: They're also talking about the possibility, or they're also talking 503 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: about it's not a possibility, they're gonna do it. UM. 504 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: Thinking things like your your address book and your email 505 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: and contacts between multiple devices including Outlook for the PC UM, 506 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: which is going to be very handy for people who 507 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: use uh their mobile Apple devices on for work as 508 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: well as you know, your personal stuff, because then you'll 509 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: have assuming again you'll you'll have a lot more information. 510 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: They're a lot more email, maybe maybe multiple accounts, shore accounts, 511 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: multiple calendars, lots and lots of contacts. Um. That would 512 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: be very useful for these kinds of things. And I 513 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,719 Speaker 1: think that's one of those things that made people go, 514 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: That's not what I was really hoping for, but I 515 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: think it's something that would be extremely useful for a 516 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: lot of people. And um, it's kind of funny. Uh. 517 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: I read on c net uh an article by Josh 518 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: Lewinson that was published um um just yesterday when at 519 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: the time of recording this podcast anyway, that um that 520 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,719 Speaker 1: there's an analyst, Gene Munster, who believes that iCloud might 521 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: be an indication that Apple is developing an Apple television, 522 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: not not Apple TV, but an actual television set that 523 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: incorporates Apple technology in it, kind of like the Google 524 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: televisions that we've seen, um, and that the I cloud 525 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: would be the place where you know, if you were 526 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: to purchase television shows or movies or rent them, that 527 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: they would go into your i Cloud account and then 528 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: you would be able to access them through something like 529 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: an Apple television. And that that that is something that 530 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: that he expects to see incorporated in iCloud in the 531 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: in the somewhat near future. It might be a year 532 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: from now, but that that would be something that we 533 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: would see pop up later. Yeah, it's um. The Apple 534 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: television itself has been again sort of like the iPad before, 535 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: it has been rumored for I would say probably at 536 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: least a year now as again as at the time 537 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: we've recorded this, maybe longer than that. So, um, you know, 538 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: there is a possibility. Of course, they do have Apple TV, 539 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: and the i Cloud will allow you to sync with 540 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: an Apple TV too, at least on a limited basis. 541 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: They mentioned it specifically with the photos the photo stream, 542 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,719 Speaker 1: you should be able to pull up your photos and 543 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: show them on your TV if you have an Apple 544 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: TV as well. So it seems like that that's not 545 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: even remotely out of the realm of possibility. It's just 546 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: whether or not they're ready to gear up and launch that. Yeah, 547 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: the biggest the biggest question I've heard remains, will there 548 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: ever be a streaming element to this so that you 549 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: can access the music that there's that's in your eye 550 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: cloud without having to download it. So let's say you 551 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: want to use your UM iPhone and you you want 552 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: to listen to the music that you have, but you 553 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: don't want to to take up the memory space like 554 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: you know that that would be for someone who let's 555 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: say they want an iPhone, but they don't want to 556 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: shell out the money to get the top of the line, 557 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: you know, iPhone with the most storage. They would rather 558 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: go with the more basic model and then use streaming 559 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: in order to access their music. Now, streaming comes with 560 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: its own problems. Usually you have to have a really 561 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: fast connection in order to do it, so it might 562 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: have to be over WiFi, or it might have to 563 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: be over some sort of four g um network. But uh, 564 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: you know, there, I know that there's a there are 565 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: a lot of questions about that. Especially people are saying, well, 566 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: why did you buy Lala if you're not using a 567 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: streaming service? And again, we just don't know yet if 568 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: I Cloud will ultimately uh allow for some sort of 569 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: streaming element. UM just right now. It just doesn't seem 570 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: like that's the case. Well, companies that are as big 571 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: as Amazon, Google and Apple who are offering these services 572 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: in similar services, um, you know, they have an enormous 573 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: installed customer base. Um. If it was a new a 574 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: brand new company with a growing customer base and you 575 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: could roll roll out the beta in a general slower 576 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: fashion and give you know, a couple of thousand people 577 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: access at a time, you would be able to have 578 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: a lot more control over that. Rolling out a streaming 579 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: service to all the iTunes customers, you know, say just 580 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: in the United States and you just need to upgrade 581 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: your iTunes iTunes ten point three and then you can 582 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,719 Speaker 1: access the e cloud stuff. Yeah, it just seems like 583 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: it would be something of an enormous task. And they 584 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: they Apples famous for holding off until they feel they've 585 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: done it right, and not only the case that they have, 586 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: but but but you know, they would rather wait. In fact, 587 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: they let you know, we knew that this something along 588 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: these lines was coming, and Amazon and Google both released 589 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: their music services first. Um. And of course they they 590 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: did so without securing agreements with all the music companies 591 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: as Apple did. UM, so you know, and it remains 592 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: to be seen to whether they've they will take offense 593 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: to that. That's been rumored that they will um well, 594 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: and there's there's even been talk about the twenty four fee. 595 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: Some people have called that a piracy amnesty fee. Yeah, 596 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: because the music that you ripped from your CDs. That's 597 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: that's the general idea of the iTunes match service. But 598 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: we all know there are plenty of people out there 599 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: who have songs that are in their iTunes library that 600 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: they got through either I mean friends ripping the Friends 601 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: CD is probably the least the most the most quote 602 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: unquote innocent of the little the little uh piracy of attempts. 603 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: Or they may have gone to some peer to peer 604 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: network in the past and and they downloaded, you know, albums, 605 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: several albums and uh, and they never bought them. So 606 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: some people have suggested that that annual fee, which a 607 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 1: portion of which is going to these music labels, that 608 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: that annual fee is actually essentially the music labels seeing 609 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: a way to finally recoup some money on music that 610 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: was otherwise stolen um and that that was one of 611 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: the reasons why these agreements finally went through, was because 612 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: they were actually gonna you know, Otherwise, these companies are 613 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: never getting money for those songs that were stolen, right, 614 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: And this way they get a little money for it, 615 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: which is better than no money at all, or so 616 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: I'm told. And I mean, if you've got a hundred 617 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: million people logging onto your service, and even only if 618 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: even only half of them use iTunes match, that's fifty 619 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 1: million people at twenty four nine a year. Um, you 620 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: know that's that that that totals up pretty quickly to 621 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: an impressive amount. I'm pretty sure it's more than seven dollars. 622 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: It might be as much as ten could be. Wow. 623 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,359 Speaker 1: And you know what, actually, dollars don't mean as much 624 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: to me anymore, because I just got back from Europe, 625 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: and once you started making that conversion from euros to 626 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: dollars in your head over and over, you're thinking, wow, 627 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 1: I am so poor. Alright, this hot dog is costing 628 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: me a fortune. All right. Yeah, it's kind of opposite 629 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: of when I went to Canada anyway, So let's wrap 630 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: this up. Uh, that Canada joke was from many years ago. Actually, 631 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: because of course, now the Canadian dollars dollar very close. 632 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: I was just gonna let somebody right in and correct you. 633 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: But Okay, well, no, no, they need to know I 634 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: went to Canada many years ago. Okay, that's why I'm 635 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,879 Speaker 1: referencing anyway, So we're wrapping up this conversation, and uh, 636 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,320 Speaker 1: we'll keep an eye out. You know. The Eye cloud 637 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: service will officially debut in the fall of twenty eleven, 638 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: so we will keep our eyes open and see what 639 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: other things develop as we get closer to launch. And 640 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: we'll play around with the cloud service in the meantime 641 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: and see what kind of nifty things we can do 642 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,280 Speaker 1: with the beta features. And uh, then we'll probably bemoan 643 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: the things that we can't do because because we're tech 644 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: people and we like to we like to complain. Plus, um, 645 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 1: you know, both Jonathan and I have gotten invites to 646 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: be uh participants in the Google Music program, which I 647 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,760 Speaker 1: need to play with that in the Amazon I've uploaded 648 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: I've uploaded music to Google, and I also I'm a 649 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: customer with Amazon, so I've already got that as well. Uh, 650 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 1: but I've just barely scratched the surface because uh, I 651 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: just haven't had the time to devote to really play 652 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: with them. So yeah, we will. We will definitely do 653 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: more pair and contrast amongst them, especially once we book 654 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: and in that month long time span we have to 655 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,800 Speaker 1: upload all of our music to to Google and Amazon. 656 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,359 Speaker 1: That's gonna take a while. Um, so we'll we'll talk 657 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,280 Speaker 1: more about this in the future. And of course cloud 658 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: service is not going away. Even with all the recent 659 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: stories about hacking and there's concerns about security and stability 660 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,760 Speaker 1: and privacy. Even with all that, it's clear that cloud 661 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: services are are gonna be around for a while. I mean, 662 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 1: they've got some major backing behind them, so we're not 663 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 1: gonna see them disappear overnight, probably unless there's some sort 664 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 1: of cast traffic failure, in which case we have other 665 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 1: things to worry about. Well, maybe the sun will come 666 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 1: and burn off the cloud. So anyway, we're gonna sign 667 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: off now. 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