1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Brading. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: me a bed and we are joined as always with 7 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: our super producer Alexis code name Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, 8 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: you are you. You are here, and that makes this 9 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: the stuff they don't want you to know. We have 10 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: returned from our brief break earlier this week with a 11 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: brand new listener mail segment. We're kicking off two in 12 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: the absolute best way we know how, which is to 13 00:00:55,800 --> 00:01:00,959 Speaker 1: find more leads, more stories, more reaction work, correspondence from 14 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 1: you and your fellow conspiracy realist. This week's segment will 15 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: take us to Amazon, where we're hearing some firsthand anonymous accounts. Uh. 16 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: This will also take us to a mysterious event in 17 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: October concerning the Navy Nose spoilers, and will also travel 18 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: to a place that may not be familiar to everyone 19 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: called the Rocky Mountain Flats nuclear site, which has a storied, 20 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: unpleasant and murky history as a matter of fact, why 21 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 1: don't we start there, because this one we talked about 22 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: off air, I think is an episode in the making. Yeah, 23 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: I think so too. Um it's you know, who doesn't 24 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: love a good nuclear fallout story? Am I right? Um? 25 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: I think I've mentioned on the podcast before that in 26 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: a previous life I was a more or less beat 27 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: reporter for Georgia Public Radio, and one of my beats 28 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: was the nuclear industry. So I got to spend some 29 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: time at Savannah River Site UM, which is a nuclear 30 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: weapons repository where like a lot of the legacy waste 31 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: produced by the manufacturer of nuclear weapons were sent and 32 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: buried in pits in the ground, and then ongoing efforts 33 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: there to track like the effect on wildlife and all that. 34 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: And I also got to cover Plant Vogel, which is 35 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: a big nuclear power plant UM here in Georgia, and 36 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: they're uh still ongoing efforts to build a second UM 37 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: plant or a second reactor. Rather, I think it's still underwear, 38 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: or it's hasn't fully happened, and it's supposed to happen 39 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: years and years ago. But the point being is that 40 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: nuclear power and nuclear processes are very, very costly. Uh. 41 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 1: Take a long time to get approvals for and to build, 42 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: and are very very dangerous can be anyway, we all 43 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: know about Chernobyl um, the nuclear explosion that took place 44 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: at the Chernobyl power plant in Russia. But I bet 45 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: you that many of us have not heard of Rocky 46 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: Mountain Flats. I certainly hadn't, uh, and I didn't until 47 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: we got this email from j H. Didn't get full 48 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: permission to use the name, so I'm just gonna go 49 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: with j H. Here. Hello, s td W y c 50 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: K team. The recent fires in Colorado, Superior and Boulder 51 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: reminded me of a topic I don't think you've covered yet. 52 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 1: The fires were reasonably close to where this event took place, 53 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: and of course that never made the news. The Rocky 54 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: Mountain Flats plant was home to the most advanced nuclear 55 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: war development in the nineteen fifties through the nineteen nineties. 56 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: It was also home to the most costly industrial accident 57 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: in US history, a raid on the Department of Energy 58 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: by the FBI and ep A, with arrests and convictions. 59 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: Several accidents that almost eliminated life east of the Rocky 60 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: Mountains and were covered up. UH. The largest super fund 61 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: clean up to date and super fund is a weird 62 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: term they use for sites like Savannah River site that 63 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: are repositories for nuclear waste or sites that have been 64 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: contaminated and polluted and ended up needing to have mitigation 65 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: that can often take years. UH, it has to be monitored. 66 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: That was me not the letter to go on. A 67 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: huge swath of land still not accessible and closed off 68 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: for reasons that are not public. This recent fire was 69 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: well within range of this site and burned around part 70 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: of it. However, this area received the highest protection from 71 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: the fire, yet the fact that it was close to 72 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: this famous site was not made public, nor was the 73 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: current danger had this area burned uh And goes on 74 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: to give us some really helpful links UH and closes saying, 75 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: I think this would make a really interesting show about 76 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: something that is still going on and has been for decades. 77 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: UH few talk about or even know about it. It 78 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: seems to be conveniently forgotten j H. I completely agree. 79 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 1: Being something of a minor nuclear nerd just because of 80 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: that past that I mentioned, it's also just something that's 81 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: very fascinating. UM in the history of the United States. 82 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: I was not aware of this at all. Had either 83 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: of you guys heard of Rocky Mountain Flats. Yes, but 84 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: I'm not the best case tuster for this about I'm 85 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: a good test case. No, great, the test case has passed. UM. 86 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: It is fascinating stuff. One of the links that j 87 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: H sent UH is to an article on um westworld 88 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: dot com that talks about the fire in question. UM. 89 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: It is described as being America's chernobyl UH. May twelve, 90 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: two thousand nine was the forty anniversary of a fire 91 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: that overtook what was then called the Rocky Flats National 92 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: Munitions Plant, which is about sixteen miles north of Denver 93 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: up wind. Does that mean north up Wind is important 94 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: in terms of the way nuclear fallout is carried? Um, 95 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,119 Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure what that means, uh, in terms 96 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: of you know, geography, But we'll go on. There is 97 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: a quote here from Congressman Jared Polis, who spoke to 98 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: the U. S. House of Representatives on that date, and 99 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read a little bit from it, and 100 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: then I think we'll probably move on, because this is 101 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: a really good tease and really let's get he gets 102 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: streight to the heart of it. I rise today to 103 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: commemorate one of the most fateful days in the history 104 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: of the state of Colorado, the day the Rocky Flats 105 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: nuclear weapons plant outside of Boulder nearly became America's own 106 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: Chernobyl some thirty years before that terrible accident in the Ukraine. 107 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: On Mother's Day of that year, a fire broke out 108 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: amid the glove boxes in Building seven seven six, or 109 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: plutonium spheres were being manufactured for use as cores for 110 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: some of the most powerful weapons in human history. The 111 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: fire quickly spread throughout the facility as many of the 112 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: fire alarms had been removed to make room for more production. 113 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,679 Speaker 1: It is estimated that between point one four and point 114 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: nine grams of plutonium two thirty nine and two forty 115 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: were released before a heroic band of perhaps forty firefighters 116 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: were able to control and eventually doubt the fire. Those 117 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: firefighters faced the immense decision of whether to battle the 118 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: blaze with water, which could have set off a chain reaction, 119 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: with the resulting explosion literally contaminating the entire Denver metropolitan area. 120 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: Luckily for US, they chose correctly. Still, plutonium was released 121 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,799 Speaker 1: into the environment from that accident, though the air events 122 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: in the roof of the building and the firefighters extinguished it. 123 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: Thousands of Colorados were exposed, although how many will never know. Um. Yeah, 124 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: it really is kind of a Chernobyl like event. Um 125 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: and its I don't know. I can't speak to the time, 126 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: you know, when this happened, but it certainly feels like 127 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: history has forgotten it, much more so than Chernobyl. So 128 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: I guess it makes sense since Chernobyl was sort of 129 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: like a black mark on the regime of the Soviet Union. 130 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: So something that I think maybe a little schadenfreud out 131 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: of here in the United States, not so much with 132 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: our own disasters and mistakes. Um, pretty bad at copp 133 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: into those. So I don't know. I honestly think we 134 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: could keep this one pretty short. Uh. And thank you 135 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: Jags for writing in. But I do feel like there 136 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: is certainly something they don't want you to know, or 137 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: they don't want us to know about the Rocky Flats 138 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: Nuclear weapons plant. Yeah, you guys, intamination contamination there. Uh there, 139 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: it is actively contaminated. That contamination will probably persist for millennia. Uh. 140 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: And I think the underground contamination there was a decision 141 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: made just to leave it as is. Yeah, I almost 142 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: don't want to spoil it too much, because there's a 143 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: lot to this that is well worth you know, full discussion. 144 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: But you're absolutely right then, UM, And I mean we 145 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: get a little more history to about the relationship between 146 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: the Atomic Energy Commission, which is now the Department of Energy, 147 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: but I still think we still have the Nuclear Regulatory 148 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: Commission and the relationship between those bodies and how you know, 149 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. Yeah, it's their job to like 150 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: make sure everything is safe, but at the end of 151 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: the day, it seems to be often populated by people 152 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 1: that are like former nuclear energy executives or utility executives, 153 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: so they definitely have something of an agenda. It's it's 154 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: it's I don't know, I don't I don't want to 155 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: throw with them under the bus. It's been a while Sinceteff, 156 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: reporter on this stuff, so I really want to kind 157 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: of brush up on some of this. But there are 158 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: interesting conflicts of interests that arise sometimes between these these bodies. UM. Initially, 159 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: when this site was proposed, it existed under the code 160 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: name UH Project Green Apple UH, and it was a 161 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: forty five million dollar federal project that would be built 162 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: on plot that was on this high plateau near the 163 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: foothills UM overseeing ranches and creeks and all of God's 164 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 1: great beauty that exists in that part of the country 165 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: UM and would go on to be a serious public 166 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: health hazard. UM. But there's so much more to it 167 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: than that. I kind of believe it here for now. 168 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, in that same Westward the article that 169 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: you mentioned, there's a whole section and there about ninety 170 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: the late nineteen eighties when the FBI and and several 171 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: other agents and groups came forward and like found the 172 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: secret stuff that was going on documentation from within the 173 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 1: plant that really just showed how bad things had gone. 174 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: It's pretty pretty creepy. Great. Yeah, sorry, Matt, you nailed that. 175 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: I called this this website west World. I guess you 176 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 1: can see where my mind is it. It's called Westward 177 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: dot com. UM. So if you want to look into 178 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: it yourself, that's a great article. UM. J H also 179 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: sent us a few other sources, including um Cumulus, dot 180 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: ep A, dot gov UH and Rocky Flats down Winders 181 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 1: dot com, which is kind of a whistleblower society, a 182 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: community organization advocating for residents living down wind from Rocky 183 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: Flats because again in that direction of the wind matters 184 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: when it comes to carrying nuclear debris and nuclear materials 185 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: that can absolutely cause cancer and other horrible maladies. So 186 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: let's put a pin in this one. Thanks so much 187 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: j H for writing in. And we're going to take 188 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: a quick break to hear a word from our sponsor 189 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: and come back with some more listener now, and we're back. 190 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: And we were immediately jumping to the phone lines to 191 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: hear a message from Nate. Hey, guys, first off, that's 192 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: a great little message. In the beginning, it made it 193 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: seem really real. Anyway, I started something that everyone s 194 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: off comes up in my memory, um, and so I 195 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 1: thought i'd share it with you. During the Y two 196 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: K scare in I went to the Navy and I 197 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: went through boot camp at Great Lakes, at the boot 198 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: camp station over there. Anyway, so between October and the 199 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: first of the year two thousand, excuse me, there was 200 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: a moment in which, like early in the morning, a 201 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: fire alarm went off and every single one of the buildings, 202 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: all the divisions of cadets like myself, that of training, 203 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: we all had to do a fire drill. We grabbed 204 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: their blankets, we ran outside, and I don't know, it 205 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: was like twenty degrees outside and something gigantic on fire 206 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: flew over the base. Um, we all just kind of 207 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 1: assumed that it was like a comet or an asteroid. 208 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. You could feel the heat coming off 209 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: of it, and it was so bright you couldn't find 210 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: any like definition of what you were looking at. And 211 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: it flew overhead and we all stood out there in 212 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: our skivvy's and our wool blankets for like an hour, 213 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: and then our petty officers and chiefs just sent us 214 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: back in and that was the end of it, anyway, 215 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: as soon as I could. Once I was in the 216 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: civilian world again, I went on the internet the early 217 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: days of the internet, and I found nothing, And I 218 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: like checked the local papers, found nothing. Nobody would talk 219 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: about it. My buddies in the division, they never found 220 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: anything about it, and like that the end of it. 221 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: And like I feel like every decade I kind of 222 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: remember it and then I go and trying to find 223 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: me on the internet and I can't find anything. Anyway, 224 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: I thought i'd share that with you. There was never 225 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: an explosion sound, there was never any concussion, but it 226 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 1: was big enough that in the middle of the street. 227 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: If you looked up and you saw these three story 228 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: buildings on either side of you. It was so big 229 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: you couldn't see its edges, so it was so close 230 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: to us. It just craziest thing I had ever seen. 231 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: And no, no, uh, no answer as to what it was. Anyway, 232 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: keep doing what you guys are doing. I love the 233 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: freaking show man. Don't ever stop. All right, have a 234 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: happy new year, by hey, Happy new year to you man. Yeah, 235 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: Happy new year everybody, all, every one of us in 236 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: that that bizarre incident, Matt, were you able to were 237 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: able to find anything? So far? I have found zero 238 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 1: for this event. Zero. So this is my call immediately 239 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: before we even discuss this thing. Were you in the 240 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: Navy station somewhere in the Great Lakes or were you 241 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: just hanging out in the Great Lakes sometime between October 242 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: and January two thousand, did you see anything like this 243 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: like Nate described, something very large and on fire flying 244 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: overhead or crashing somewhere near the Great Lakes. We want 245 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: to hear from you, so please please write to us 246 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: conspiracy at I Heart radio dot com or one eight 247 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: three three st d W y t K that's my 248 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: first call anybody else to corroborate this in any way, 249 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: because this is a incredible story that Nate just told us, 250 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: and it sounds like something just ripped out of a 251 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: science fiction novel. So please corroborate if you can. Guys, 252 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: the fire alarms were going off in there was a 253 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: fire drill before this occurred. Right, Why do you think 254 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: that happened. Let's just imagine this is all true and 255 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: this occurred. Why did that happen first before the flaming 256 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: thing went overhead? Yeah, they're contingencies in place. Somebody saw 257 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: something and pulled it got you? Okay, But but was 258 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: it too warn or to create a diversion? Well, I 259 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: mean it seems like it's incoming. Something is incoming, right, 260 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: So I I get Ben's notion that someone saw something 261 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: maybe on radar. You know that there's something moving quickly 262 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: towards their positions, so an alert was sounded. But in 263 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: this case, it wasn't like everyone came out at the ready. 264 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: They came out in like a fire drill style, as 265 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: Nate said, wrapped in blankets and stuff. Yeah, this is 266 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: also a huge location. It's the movie's only boot camp. 267 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: It's it's like a compound. If you're familiar, if you 268 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: have the dubious luck to uh to end up in 269 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: a boot camp, or if you have the dos luck 270 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: to be a military brat, you know that some of 271 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: these places are almost uh cities of their own right. 272 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: And this this compound has like over a thousand something 273 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: individual buildings. We're talking like sixty nine miles of roadway 274 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: just on the base. Like this is this is a 275 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: big place for there to be a system wifire alarm 276 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: that the boot camp itself is um is located in 277 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: this naval station called Naval Station Great Lakes. But like 278 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: just to give you a sense of it, it's it's 279 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: the kind of operation that has its own police force, 280 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: its own fire department, public works department. Like there's this 281 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: is huge. There's a huge spot and this is weird, guys. 282 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: But in my head I had an image of that 283 00:16:55,400 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 1: old prison break movie that started Nick Cage. Do you 284 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: remember this, Yeah, the rock. No, it's not the rock, 285 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: it's not the rocks, different one. It's yes, that one 286 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: created one of my favorite gifts where his hair is 287 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: just blowing in the wind. You know, he's got the 288 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: luxurious main and it's just like one that you just 289 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: put up. I guess they're you're like feeling easy, breezy. Yeah, 290 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: I still like this. Steve Bushimi's character spoiler alert three 291 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: to one spoiler gets away. No, the serial killer. He's 292 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: a serial But isn't there a pedophile character too? There's 293 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: one character that like hallucinates a young girl in a 294 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: in an empty pool. Never mind, Oh god, So okay, 295 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: that's not only in my mind. The part went in 296 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: my mind and I can't break it out of my head. Ben, 297 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: come back to us with your findings here. Um. I 298 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: think it's a Lockheed's SEE one thirty hercules or or 299 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: a very similar large cargo plane that's on fire at 300 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: some point in that movie. And I just imagine that 301 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: being the thing, like this massive military airplane that's just 302 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: on fire in flames, like going dangerously low over the camp. 303 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: But again, like, why would people in the Navy not 304 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: recognize a C one thirty. I mean I feel like 305 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: they would just by the sound of it. And there 306 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: was no like concussion or explosion, nothing like that. I 307 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: know that's probably not what happened, Nate. It's just that's 308 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: in my mind what I imagine yeah, and this is before, 309 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: like like you so astutely pointed out, this is before uh, 310 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 1: the ubiquity of the internet as we understand it today. 311 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: So and also mobile technology was nowhere near what it 312 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: is now, at least in the public sphere. Because those 313 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: rumors are true. I got those confirmed. But but the 314 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: point being a lot of people wouldn't have smartphones or 315 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 1: or tablets to grab video of some sort. And for 316 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: some of the more skeptical in our audience today, Nate's 317 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: story may sound a little outlandish, the idea that somehow 318 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: an entity like the US government could effectively suppress something 319 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 1: with so many witnesses, right, or just keep it out 320 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: of even the local pick a Une or whatever the 321 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: name of the newspaper is. I just like saying pick 322 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: a Une it is. And there's something that just happened 323 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: today as we came into record that I think is instructive. 324 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: Even now right where everybody has just been sort of 325 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: bullied or normally like we've all accepted it for some 326 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: reason as normal to always be online, um and always 327 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: be speaking into our various megaphones. This kind of suppression 328 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: can still happen to day. The drive dot Com and 329 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: several other sources reported probably you may not have heard 330 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: about this. I don't know if it is right now. 331 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 1: The yeah, the wet aircraft across the western US. I 332 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: found this on an air traffic controller form. I frequent 333 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: aircraft across the western US had a full grounding of 334 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: planes without explanation. The closest guess is that it coincides 335 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: with a ballistic missile test out of the d P 336 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: r K Street named North Korea. Uh. This this is 337 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: very puzzling to air traffic controllers themselves because they're not 338 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: getting an official explanation of what's going on. So if 339 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: someone wants to turn off the faucetive information. It's a 340 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: little bit tougher now, but it can still happen, which 341 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: to me, um just as an example, lends some more 342 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: credence to the possibility that something did occur. They're in 343 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: Great Lakes and that it was successfully repressed or you 344 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: know again, maybe it was an explosion, Maybe it was 345 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: a meteor but I checked some meteor I know people 346 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: are down with meteorite hunting. It's really cool we talked 347 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: about in previous segment. I believe, but there are people 348 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: watching the skies and they're not necessarily controlled by governments, 349 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: and governments can't do a ton two. They can't really 350 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: do much at all to stop stuff from hitting the 351 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: planet via space right now, you know what I mean. 352 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: So the best they can do is information control after this. 353 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: But like you, Matt, I looked in some unorthodox places 354 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: and I still came up with nothing. So right now, Nathan, 355 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: the best bet for us as a team is to 356 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: get some corroboration, as Matt indicated, from other people who 357 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: had physical eyes on who are on the ground when 358 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: this occurred. And then if we can get more sources 359 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: on that, and we can start to build out some 360 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: possibilities and trace some leads. Yeah, well, thanks so much 361 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 1: for letting us know again, please call us. We'll be 362 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: right back, and we have returned. This is a great 363 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: listener mail segment so far. We're learning lots of stuff 364 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: and we hope you're enjoying it as well. 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Let's kick it 383 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: off with a wonderful letter from someone writing inside Amazon 384 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 1: asking to be anonymous. And I think this, I think 385 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 1: this conspiracy realist raises some fantastic points. I'd like to 386 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: share the letter and then let's discuss Hi, guys, says anonymous. 387 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: If you do anything with this, please don't use my 388 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: name anyway. I just listened to your new segment on 389 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: the problems Amazon workers are facing, like not being allowed 390 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: to have their phones or being forced to work and 391 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: implement weather all. I agree this isn't good. You guys 392 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 1: seemed surprised about it, and I feel like many of 393 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: your listeners might also be. I just want to let 394 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: you know that this is in no way a new 395 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: phenomenon that's come along with greedy Amazon, and if you 396 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: are rethinking your use of Amazon based on this, you 397 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,239 Speaker 1: should be rethinking your use of chain stores too. This 398 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: is how it's been in retail for decades at this point. 399 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: Obviously the phone thing is newer, referring to the cell 400 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: phone usage policies, but even that's been that way since 401 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: cell phones were widespread and retail environments, if you were 402 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: caught on the floor with a cell phone, you're pretty 403 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: much fired, unless your manager is not a corporate chill 404 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: parentheses most are our policy. When I worked in one 405 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: store for a tornado warning was to shelter the customers 406 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 1: and get this, then come back out onto the floor 407 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: and continue our other work stocking, meetning, cleaning, what have you, 408 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 1: unless there was a clear sign that we were in danger. 409 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: I live in redacted, so plenty of snow, and we 410 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: were required to come into work in whatever weather and 411 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: could be fired if we didn't comply because if there's 412 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: even one customer, we have to serve them. This was 413 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: still the store I was mentioned earlier, so nothing even 414 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: remotely necessary was happening. I can only imagine it's worse 415 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: somewhere necessary like a grocery store, not generally sent home 416 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: due to weather, and not generally without pay. But if 417 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: it was a truck day and we had a heavy 418 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: morning crew for that, but the truck couldn't get through 419 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: due to snow, most absolutely would be sent home without 420 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: clocking in. I agree the Amazon thing is a problem, 421 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: but people need to understand it does not begin or 422 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: end with them, and plenty of workers making seven dollars 423 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: and fifty cents an hour at your grocery store are 424 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: working under similar conditions. It all needs attention, and it 425 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: all needs to stop. Thanks for your time and the 426 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 1: important stuff you cover well said, I would love an applause. 427 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: Kew there because it is very true. This is actually 428 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: great timing anonymous, because this relates to an upcoming episode 429 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: on sort of the future of work and automation and 430 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: inequality and the question of you know, one of the 431 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: big questions that doesn't often get addressed. Why does C 432 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 1: E O S makes so much more money. Why Why 433 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: is the real value of what actual workers bring home 434 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: every year? Why is that decreasing while at the top 435 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: it's it's ballooning. Um, And I wanted to start this way, 436 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 1: Matt noell Uh. You guys have had retail or service 437 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: jobs in the past, right you know? Um? You know? Yeah, 438 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Sure, I worked at a retail music equipment 439 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: and guitar shop during high school and college. Yeah, I've not, 440 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: I've not. Ah, that's right. I forget sometimes how long 441 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 1: you and I have been doing this? Right? Um? I 442 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: will say that the shop that I worked in well 443 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: awful for its own reasons, didn't have any corporate ties 444 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 1: at all. Uh, And there was a lot of leeway 445 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: in those departments. But also this is like kind of 446 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: pre smartphone days, honestly, so it wasn't like you were 447 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 1: just dicking around on your phone unless you were making 448 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: phone calls. And honestly, people would call you at the shop. 449 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: It was god, I'm old too. Like literally, people would 450 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: call you at the shop and you would you know, 451 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: you'd get a look from the boss if you took 452 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: a personal phone call. But that's the day. Those days 453 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: are over now, it's definitely more about you know, getting 454 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,239 Speaker 1: caned for messing around with your iPhone. Well yeah, and 455 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: you don't need a global brand to be a brutal boss, 456 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: you know, to put some alliteration on there, because you know, 457 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: people have horror stories about family owned businesses that they 458 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: have worked with, you know, or people have stories about 459 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: being in this service industry in upper echelon places right 460 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: like private clubs and so on, and they still, you know, 461 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: you still can be treated quite early without much recourse. 462 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: And this this is something that we wanted to highlight 463 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: because you know, of course, you know, it's fair to 464 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: say the vast majority of people, whatever their position in 465 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 1: a retail environment, are just trying to do a good job, 466 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: you know, and get off the get off the clock 467 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: and get home and hope no one's being a jerk 468 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: to them. But also for any of our non US listeners. 469 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: The protections for retail employees not just Amazon, and and 470 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: you're right, anonymous Amazon gets the lion share of the 471 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: criticism most recently, but these protections are often not enforced. 472 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: You might see a battered, laminated ocean sign in the 473 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: brake room, but how often do you see that enforced? Uh. 474 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: And how often do you see someone able to speak 475 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: truth to power in those situations? It's dangerous, the results 476 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: and injuries, the results in death. Sometimes we've heard of 477 00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: what's happening you know that prompted the kelloggstry right, and 478 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: we've heard, we've heard horror stories. It's the fact of 479 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: the matter. And what I believe is impactful here about 480 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: what Anonymous has told us is that I am certain, 481 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: I have certitude that so many of us listening today 482 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: have their own horror stories. And if you would want, 483 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: if you would like to be a part of that 484 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: are our upcoming episode with the future of work, with 485 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: some ideas about the state of retail and the service industry, 486 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: then we would love to hear from you, and we'll 487 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: do our best to protect your anonymity if that is 488 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: what you wish. UM for one example, for again, this 489 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: is like one of the number one things my friends 490 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: who were for Nationals always find baffling in the US. UH. 491 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: The way they put it is, the price is never 492 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: the price, right, Like you go to a store, something 493 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: is it's not when you pay because the taxes aren't listed. 494 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: Or you go to restaurant and you order some food right, 495 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: and you and your friends have a little brunch or something, 496 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: then the price on the menu is not the price 497 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: you pay. And it's even even if it's indicated, even 498 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: if you understand and predict the taxes, you're expected to 499 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: tip right, because that's passing the burden of what the 500 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: boss should be doing onto the consumer. Tipping is very 501 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: confusing two people from a lot of other cultures. And 502 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: I think there is a full episode here. I think 503 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: there is an an exploration we must conduct, and I 504 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: want to end with that clarion call. Please contact us, 505 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: give us your war stories, and perhaps more importantly, give 506 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: us your take on what can be done to address 507 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: these injustices. Uh. The point I would like to end 508 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: on here, for you, Anonymous, and for everybody else who 509 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: is currently or has been in the past in the 510 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: service or retail industry, is that you are doing things 511 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: that other people just probably cannot do. They don't have 512 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: the they don't have the people skills, they don't have 513 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: the organization. These are some of the hardest working people 514 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,719 Speaker 1: in this country and on the planet and take so 515 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: much gouf And it's frankly offensive to see those feel 516 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: good stories about quote unquote essential workers that are marketed 517 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: by the same media that turns around and portrays these 518 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: folks as somehow worth less than other people. And I 519 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: just think it's unconscionable. And I feel like, without going 520 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,719 Speaker 1: on out on a limb, that the three of us 521 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: can agree on that, you know what I mean. So 522 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: with that, we are going to call it a day 523 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: for this week. As we said, we try to be 524 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: easy to find online. We cannot wait to hear from you. 525 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: And thank you to everybody who has reached out to 526 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: me over the break. U. I and still going through 527 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: the men stages, but I will respond, uh and in 528 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: the meantime help us out. This show cannot exist without you, 529 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: that's right. And you can send us your feedback, your stories, 530 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: your comments, complaints, concerns, any of that good stuff to us. 531 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: We are super easy to find on the internet. Yes, 532 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: we are at conspiracy stuff on Twitter and YouTube. You 533 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: can oh also Facebook, and you can find on Facebook 534 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: our page Here's where he Gets Crazy. All you need 535 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: to know is who hosts the show. You can also 536 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: list Alexis code name, Doc Holiday Jackson or maybe Paul 537 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: Mission Control Decade. Either way you can get in. It's 538 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: not that hard. We're just a bad joke behind when 539 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: you find when you when you apply. And oh, also 540 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: on Instagram, we are at Conspiracy Stuff Show, and you 541 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: guys have Instagram accounts as well. Correct. Sure you can 542 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: find me on Instagram at how Now Noel Brown. You 543 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: can get a baha in the scenes peak at my 544 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: various misadventures and weird research at Ben Bulling HSW on 545 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: Twitter or at Ben Bolling b O w l I 546 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: N on Instagram. Wait, you're saying, guys, guys, doc, I 547 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: hate social media. I heard those episodes. I'm not gonna 548 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: touch that kind of stuff anymore. But I need to 549 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: tell you something. Well, you're in luck. There is another 550 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: way to contact us. Just give us a call from 551 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: your mouth through a computer two our ears. Say it 552 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: with us one eight three three st d w y 553 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: t K. 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