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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome, and I'm Doug godli Ban. You are listening

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Speaker 1: to All Ball, the All Basketball Podcast. Our guest this

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Speaker 1: week is Todd Golden, the Golden Child, the head coach

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Speaker 1: at the University of San Francisco. Is he at all

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Speaker 1: his hair? He's the fourth youngest coach Division one basketball,

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Speaker 1: He's got a beautiful young family, and he's coaching it

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Speaker 1: one of the great historic programs and one of the

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Speaker 1: greatest cities in the country. Not a bad gig, right,

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Speaker 1: We'll get to his story. Former walk On became a

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Speaker 1: starter at St. Mary's, UH, played overseas for two years,

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Speaker 1: and then, of course was it Columbia, then at Auburn,

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Speaker 1: that at San Francisco as an assistant before becoming the

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Speaker 1: head coach the Justice last spring. First, I want to

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Speaker 1: get to two different things before we get to Todd Golden.

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Speaker 1: The first is comments made by Bill self and I

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Speaker 1: believe Jay Wright as well, and that the reason anybody

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Speaker 1: can beat anybody in college basketball is that there aren't

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Speaker 1: as many great players anymore. Well duh, yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's the poorly kept secret of all poorly kept secrets,

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Speaker 1: is that college basketball at the very top level doesn't

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Speaker 1: have nearly the town, especially of older players, and now

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Speaker 1: you're starting to lose even the younger players. Right now,

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Speaker 1: you're starting to lose even um some of the freshmen,

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Speaker 1: whether they're going to play in Australia, they'll probably be

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Speaker 1: some that eventually try the G League thing. You know

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Speaker 1: that James Wiseman deal asted a couple of games, you know,

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Speaker 1: between losing if you lose three or four players overseas

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Speaker 1: every year, and then you lose a couple of these

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Speaker 1: guys to suspension, you know, or to they play a

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Speaker 1: couple of cold anthony play some games that gets injured,

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Speaker 1: just like Zion Williamson did last year. Like you know,

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Speaker 1: you're you're cutting off the top ten kids in college basketball.

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Speaker 1: I think it's not just that there aren't as many

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Speaker 1: great players. I also think that the next level of

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Speaker 1: he transfers and sits out. The talent is really spread out.

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Speaker 1: There's just not that many players that you can have

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Speaker 1: three teams everybody wants to play right away and think

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Speaker 1: they're all gonna go to Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina, u

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Speaker 1: C l A, Indiana, etcetera. Etcetera. So I in Kansas,

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Speaker 1: I I don't. I think they're both right. I don't

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Speaker 1: think the elite level. I mean the guys nobody stays

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Speaker 1: past year to let alone year three or four, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of them don't stay past their first year.

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Speaker 1: What's interesting is it makes for a really good watch

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Speaker 1: because you honestly have no idea who's going to win

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Speaker 1: on in any given game, not just any given week.

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Speaker 1: We talked to earlier this year about de Paul and

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Speaker 1: you know, all the transfers and older players and how

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Speaker 1: allows them to be competitive because they got older kids.

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Speaker 1: Look at the teams that were successful going back to

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Speaker 1: last year. You know, even Virginia had some older guys,

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Speaker 1: but some of the you know, the Texas texts of

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Speaker 1: the world. Yet grad transfers, four year transfers, those are

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Speaker 1: older players. Whereas the one and done guys, it's really

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Speaker 1: hard to win with them, hard to get into buy in,

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Speaker 1: they don't make as many shots, and then they're here

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Speaker 1: and they're gone. I do think there's a way in

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Speaker 1: which we can word it to feel better about the

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Speaker 1: players we have. And and look, I'm just as responsible

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Speaker 1: as anybody for saying that college basketball isn't as good

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Speaker 1: as in his talent at the top. But for high

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Speaker 1: major college coaches that have won to combine three national championships,

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Speaker 1: probably the better a wording would be, Look, the great

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Speaker 1: players don't stay long enough. Some really good players can

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Speaker 1: become great college basketball players, but even they're becoming harder

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Speaker 1: to keep happy because they don't want to sit on

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Speaker 1: the bench. But it is true the college game has

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Speaker 1: become a little bit watered down and spread out. And

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Speaker 1: then that's after we cut out the top four or

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Speaker 1: five guys who may go to college may not go

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Speaker 1: to college. And at the first sign of injury Darius

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Speaker 1: Garland last year, they bay only sit out the rest

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Speaker 1: of the year. Look, I'm not gonna defame college basketball.

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Speaker 1: I mean I think if we I think like, look

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Speaker 1: look at this Kansas team as opposed to other Kansas teams.

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Speaker 1: Are there lottery picks in the team? I don't think

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Speaker 1: we have a greater view of who they might be.

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Speaker 1: But there is no Joel Embiid on this team. There

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Speaker 1: is no Paul Pierce on this team. There is just not.

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Speaker 1: And yet Kansas, before they lost to Villanova this past

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Speaker 1: really good, it's not as good as their team ten

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Speaker 1: years ago. A couple of things. One, you don't have

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Speaker 1: we do have a tendency to look at other teams older,

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Speaker 1: you know, teams that occurred that that had success previously,

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Speaker 1: and think they're way more talented because they became great

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Speaker 1: NBA players, right where the truth is, if they're eighteen

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Speaker 1: nineteen years old and they weren't great, then it was

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Speaker 1: only because they were eighteen nineteen years old. The hardest

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Speaker 1: part is that this this is kind of it gives

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Speaker 1: way to my argument, which you've heard you're probably tired of,

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Speaker 1: which is the value of the brand. And the greatest

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Speaker 1: way to point that out is like, look, when when

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Speaker 1: you work in television, the brands that sell, the brands

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Speaker 1: that rate the best do Carolina, Kentucky Kansas, Syracuse actually

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Speaker 1: rates very very well in comparison to others. You know,

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Speaker 1: those are the ones. I mean, gazag All rates everybody

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Speaker 1: exception maybe of Arizona. It doesn't actually have to do

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Speaker 1: with how good a team is any year or two

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Speaker 1: basis thinks. And that's based upon name recognition more so

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Speaker 1: than who's actually playing for your team. And the problem

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Speaker 1: with the spreading out of talent with the multiple transfer

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Speaker 1: red shirts, etcetera, is you're gonna get some of these

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Speaker 1: non traditional names deep into the n c A tournament

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Speaker 1: and that doesn't help the ratings. So, in addition to

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Speaker 1: people will watch when non traditional name brands play in

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Speaker 1: the n c A tournament. Fair good ask for who

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Speaker 1: actually is the best team in the country. I I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't I mean, I think Kansas is

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Speaker 1: very good. They just don't shoot it well enough. I

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Speaker 1: think Baylor could be really good. I'm just not sure

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Speaker 1: Kansas is. And it feels like they never beat Kansas.

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Speaker 1: When they do beat him, they never sweep Kansas. But

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Speaker 1: beating everybody else. They in some people's mind late claimed

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Speaker 1: to be the number one team. Then there's Duke. Are

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Speaker 1: when they lost at home to Stephen F. Austin and

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Speaker 1: lost Cassius Winston. Probably not. We saw what happened in Virginia,

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Speaker 1: Arizona's taking else before. It's really hard to decide who's

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Speaker 1: but harder to decide who's frankly better than anybody else

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Speaker 1: because there's just such a mixed bag of good wins

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Speaker 1: here real quick. As Christmas Day is upon us. You're

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Speaker 1: listening to this, you're listening to this, you're like, oh, breakdown.

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Speaker 1: I'm not breaking down the Christmas Games. I'll only tell

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Speaker 1: you this if we use last year as our guide.

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Speaker 1: Last year when the Lakers go in to beat the

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Speaker 1: Warriors and Lebron James got hurt in that game. What

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Speaker 1: does it tell us? It tells us that this is

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Speaker 1: kind of like, do you ever take the pre s

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Speaker 1: the pre s a T. It basically tells you're like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: It just means that on this particular test, you're decent.

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Speaker 1: But the the rest of the regular season is really

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Speaker 1: based upon health, and the post seasons is based on

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Speaker 1: how good you are. And this has nothing to do

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Speaker 1: with postseason basketball, don't believe me. Last year, the Lakers

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Speaker 1: go into Gold State and get a win on Christmas Day,

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Speaker 1: Lebron gets hurt, The Lakers are the sixth seed, and

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Speaker 1: then their season collapses. The Warriors, have they been healthy,

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Speaker 1: they probably win another NBA championship and they could not

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Speaker 1: have looked worse in the second half of that game.

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Speaker 1: These early season Kentucky games, Kansas games, Duke games, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: They're a nice guide. They're a pre s a T.

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Speaker 1: There your initial participation, like your initial quarter report. Card,

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Speaker 1: it's at that first report card you get that doesn't

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Speaker 1: in addition to Andre Goodala's length of versatility on defense,

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Speaker 1: because right now they don't have anybody in guard Khi

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Speaker 1: I continue to believe that pummeling the Lakers at every

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Speaker 1: he's a lot different than Kyle. He does a lot

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Speaker 1: of things a lot different than Kyle. And for me,

429
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 1: being able to merge those two personalities in those two

430
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 1: styles has been really beneficial for me. You mentioned, Okay,

431
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 1: so give me one thing like that. You're like when

432
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 1: when you're sitting around you guys are having beers and

433
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: you're like, give me one, give me one thing that

434
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 1: makes Bruce that's unique about Bruce Pearl I mean, I

435
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 1: obviously the nutty professor, and he is far brighter he

436
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 1: he you know, he'll try and dumb down and act

437
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 1: like he's an aw shucks guy when he's super super

438
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: bright with how he does what he does. But give

439
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 1: me one thing. I think where where Bruce is one

440
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 1: of the most amazing that I've ever seen is the

441
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 1: way he manages and handles personalities in terms of his

442
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 1: players is incredibly Uh. It's just it's it's unique, it's

443
00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 1: it's uh. He's not afraid say it to do what

444
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 1: he knows is best for each individual guy. And playing

445
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: for Randy and Kyle, they they were there pretty hard

446
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: in in in a good way. They expect a lot

447
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: out of you. They coach pretty much everybody the same way. Um,

448
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: you know they're not they're not managing different personalities different.

449
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: But where Bruce was amazing is he could you know,

450
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: with the point guard, he might feel like he has

451
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: to coach him a certain way where he might have

452
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: to give him some more slack and not be hiss

453
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 1: heard on him. But then there might be another guy

454
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 1: on the floor that he knows that he has to

455
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 1: cuss out to get the most out of him. And

456
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,719
Speaker 1: he he has the ability to form those relationships with

457
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: each individual player where they trust him and they're gonna

458
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 1: take his coaching regardless of how he does it. Uh.

459
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: And for me, that's really hard to do. You know,

460
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: you got thirteen guys in scholarship, usually fifteen guys on

461
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: the team, and yeah, I just always felt like Bruce

462
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 1: was able to just squeeze the most out of each

463
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: individual guy that he could, which which is which is awesome? Um? Okay, Kyle,

464
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 1: Kyle Smiths out of the head coach at Washington State.

465
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 1: What was that like? You had? You had played for him,

466
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: he was an assistant coach at St. Mary's. You get

467
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 1: done playing at Israel and you go work for him,

468
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 1: what was that relationship like? Uh? It was great. I

469
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 1: mean he's like a combination of a father and a

470
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: big brother, as that makes sense. You know, he was

471
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: the one that led on my recruitment back in you know,

472
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: two thousands two going to St. Mary's and uh, you know,

473
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 1: I appreciate he's done a heck of a lot for me.

474
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: He gave me the opportunity to walk on and Sat Mary's.

475
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 1: I know he was fighting for me to get me

476
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: in the rotation there as a player obviously gave me

477
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: my first job in basketball, and uh, you know, I

478
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: think I think we were really good for each other too.

479
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,239
Speaker 1: You know, I think I was able. He didn't have

480
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: any other same Mary's guys with him at Columbia, so

481
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 1: as he was trying to instill his culture, instill his

482
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 1: style and everything along those lines. You know, I think

483
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: when I got there, I was able to support him

484
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: in doing that, and uh, I was able to kind

485
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: of help be a backbone for the program. And uh,

486
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: you know, he act Columbia, I would say he was

487
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: still Our relationship was definitely still coach player, and he

488
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 1: was he was not afraid to to get on me

489
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: and and be really aggressive with the way he was

490
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: coaching me, even as a young coach. And then over

491
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,199
Speaker 1: you know, the three years between working with him at

492
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 1: Columbia and then getting back to work with him at USF,

493
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: we kind of saw that relationship change more of a

494
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: you know, more of a man to man relationship. There

495
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: was a lot more understanding and respect in that way.

496
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: And uh, I've just learned so much from him and

497
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: very appreciative of, you know, the opportunity that he's helped

498
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: get here at San Francisco. All right, so uh, let's

499
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: let's let's work. Let's let's go backwards. Usually what I

500
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: do is I start at the beginning and then I

501
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: worked towards where you are now. I wanted to kind

502
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: of change it up a little bit. So you grew

503
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: up and you grew up in Phoenix. You grew up

504
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: in Phoenix, and he played for a legendary high high

505
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: school coach. What was what you know? Were you all?

506
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: Were you little? Like? Did you grow late? What was

507
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: your progression like as a player? You know? That's Uh,

508
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: I had a really interesting experience. So I was. I

509
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: played baseball too, and I was I never had played

510
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,959
Speaker 1: AU because I was always playing baseball with my junior

511
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 1: high or high school team. And then I played UH

512
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: summer travel baseball in the in the summer as well.

513
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: So I only played one year of AU basketball and

514
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: I was going into my senior year of high school.

515
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 1: And and honestly, when I went to the Troy out

516
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: for the Arizona Stars, who was the Nike team back

517
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: then in Phoenix. When when I first tried out, when

518
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: we had just want to stay championship my junior I

519
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: made the twos team. I didn't even make the main

520
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: sponsor team. So I was playing on on the lower deal,

521
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: the lower circuit, traveling around and then a couple of guys,

522
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: one guy got hurt and one guy left to go

523
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: play for another u AU team, so they kind of

524
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: brought me up, and uh, I got to go play

525
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: the Kingwood Classic in Texas and then I can't remember

526
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 1: what the tournament in Vegas was at the time, whether

527
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: it was a big time or whatever it was, but

528
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: had some good experiences there and uh, you know, I

529
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: was six to I would a hundred and fifty pounds,

530
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: and you know, I was a facilitating two guard. That

531
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: was kind of my game. And it took you know,

532
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: playing with four or five other D one guys to

533
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 1: you know, have the opportunity to be seen by different schools.

534
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: But you know, really it was it was same Marey's

535
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: as a walk on or believe it or not, Columbia,

536
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 1: And you know, there's no scholarships offered in the IVY League.

537
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: It's on need based financially, so there wasn't a lot

538
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 1: of money gonna be coming our way from that opportunity. So, uh,

539
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: you know, Kyl and Randy just offered me that the

540
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: invited walk on spot and I was, you know, young

541
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: and dumb enough to think that i'd have a chance

542
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: to to earn my role. And it's kind of funny

543
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: how those things happened and how it worked out. But

544
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,719
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have changed it for anything. I can promise

545
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: you that. So what would your para to you for living?

546
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: My dad is an attorney and my mom was an

547
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: elementary school librarian. So when when when he said, uh,

548
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: you're like, look, you can either pay I don't know

549
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: what it was back then to go to Columbia or

550
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: how much was it to go to St. Mary's a

551
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: lot about fifty grand? What was that conversation? Like, that's uh,

552
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: that's that's why my parents are the people that I

553
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: owe it all to. My friends they you know, they

554
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: Randy and Kyle said, here's the deal. You come, you know,

555
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: you pay for a year and uh, you know, earn

556
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: your way into the rotation, will put you on scholarship, YadA,

557
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: YadA YadA. And I, like I said, I was unreasonably

558
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: confident that I'd be able to do that. I don't

559
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: know why. I just felt like I'd be able to

560
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: go in there. And find a way to scrap it out. Um.

561
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: And then but they're like, if you red shirt, then

562
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to pay for two. Uh and then

563
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: you know, we'll give you three. And my dad was

564
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: you know, my dad was a hoops guy. He played

565
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: freshman ball at U Mass when Julia Treman was on

566
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: the varsity team. Uh. It was a big part of

567
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: his life growing up in White Plains, New York. And

568
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: you know, he he just made it where he gave

569
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: me the opportunity to do it. And uh, you know,

570
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: I don't At a time, I definitely didn't appreciate to realize,

571
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: you know, the investment that that they were making. And

572
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: looking back on it, that's why, you know, I'm incredibly

573
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: grateful that that he was willing to do it. Was

574
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: there a did now everybody does they present a walk

575
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: on with a scholarship video. Was there a moment where

576
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,239
Speaker 1: Randy called everybody in and goes like, hey, here you go.

577
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: Not at all. I had to pick him down just

578
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: to make sure he actually gave me the scholarship. I

579
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: had to chase him, you know, after the last team

580
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: meeting in the spring, to make sure that he's gonna

581
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: throw me on, uh for the next fall. But now

582
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 1: I'm only half joking, But it was nothing like that.

583
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: Times were a little different, and I know, you know

584
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: coach Bennett really well, and he's not one for for

585
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: the bells and whistles, so it was kind of a silent,

586
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: a silent scholarship, so to speak. And uh, but we

587
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: definitely got three years and uh it was, you know,

588
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: three of the best years of my life for sure.

589
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,719
Speaker 1: Your senior year, Patty Mills arrived and he was somebody

590
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: that I think most of us who covered the game

591
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: knew because of the I s I'll straight and it's

592
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: true sport. You play with Daniel, You played with Daniel

593
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: Kicker your first couple of years. Um, maybe you're just

594
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,959
Speaker 1: your freshman year as as well. Um, what was that

595
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: like when you know, like you're the point guard, it's

596
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: your team and now all of a sudden, some a

597
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: guy who everyone's been talking about from Australia arrives. Yeah,

598
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: it was honestly, you know, I think some people in

599
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: that situation might be discouraged. And you're right, like we knew,

600
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: you know, we knew Patty was really good when he

601
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: was coming in and and I just kind of thought

602
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: that would be an opportunity. Hey, let's let's figure it out.

603
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: And obviously, the first couple of times playing pick up

604
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: with this guy, I knew he was gonna be playing

605
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: thirty minute game. I mean, he is who he was

606
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: back then, and he was dominating, and so I just

607
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: so code been on like, hey, I'm more than happy

608
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: to move over to the two. If that's what you

609
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: want me to do, just let me know. I just

610
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: want to be out on the court. So, uh, it was.

611
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: It was honestly a great experience, you know, getting to

612
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: play with him more than anything. But I thought we

613
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: played off each other really well too. He took an

614
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: obviously a ton of pressure off me as the primary

615
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: ball handler and was able to operate as a one

616
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: man press break and really started our offense nearly on

617
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: every possession. But I moved over to the two and

618
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: had a lot of freedom to just shoot the ball

619
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: and was really comfortable in that role. And one of

620
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: I think eighties seven assist twenty three turnovers on the

621
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: year or something like that. Being able to facilitate from that,

622
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: you just happen to you just happened to know. Those

623
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: numbers just happened it was I think it was one

624
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: of the one of the best in the country and

625
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: that was one of that was one of the things

626
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: that you know, I have on on the resume, but

627
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: you know, playing with a guy like that made everything

628
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: so much easier. And uh, you know, and what what

629
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: Patty is a special dude. He's uh, he's really unassuming.

630
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: He came in willing to learn, willing to kind of

631
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: move into our system as opposed to making us and

632
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: just to him and uh, you know, he had some

633
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: growing pains, but at the same time, I think in

634
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: his fourth college game he had thirty seven on order

635
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: and when they were number eleven in the country on ESPN. So,

636
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy came in and it was just

637
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,719
Speaker 1: awesome off the bat. And I'm really appreciative you did,

638
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: because it gave myself and our teammates just a great

639
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: experience that last year making it to the tournament. Yeah,

640
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: do you want to know do you want to know

641
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: his Yeah, that's in the tournament you guys. What lost

642
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: to Miami? So right, yeah, we lost to Miami. Yeah,

643
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: how did you play? I Mean, I have the stats

644
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: in front of me, but if you want I played Okay,

645
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: I think I hit a couple of threes, Um, didn't

646
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: I think two or four from the line or something

647
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: like that, which was not It was not great, um,

648
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: but you know, I know we were up at half

649
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: time by five and we we felt good going into it.

650
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: And then Jack McClinton I think at thirty two in

651
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: the second half, and uh, I was responsible for the

652
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: first five of the second half, and then coach Bennett

653
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: quickly moved me off of him. But it made me

654
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: feel better, you know, looking back on it years later,

655
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: knowing that that I wasn't the only one that couldn't

656
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: guard that dude. Uh. For Yeah, when you played in Israel,

657
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: did you only play for Hipherd you play for somebody

658
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: else as well? Yeah? No, I played two years from

659
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: a Cope high right when they moved up to the

660
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: first division there. So for people who haven't been to Hifa,

661
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: it is absolutely stunning ports city, uh, northern part of Israel.

662
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: And of course you went there and played the Maccabi

663
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: Games team and won the gold medal before you ever

664
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: played in Haifa? What what what was your living experience

665
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: like there? It was amazing, absolutely amazing. I told people

666
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: all the time. I regret not taking more advantage of it. Um.

667
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: I was a little bit homesick, a little bit of

668
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: a homebody. I wasn't as social as I should have been.

669
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: But you hit it on the head with hipla. I mean,

670
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: it's one of the most beautiful places, uh, that I've

671
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: ever been to. It's right there in the Mediterranean, you know,

672
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: five minute drive from our gym when we were on

673
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: the beach. Uh. Just great people, great food. Uh. Really,

674
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: it's a it's in Hype, is a melting pot. There's

675
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: a lot of different races and obviously a lot of

676
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: Jewish people, a lot of Muslim people there in the city.

677
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: And while I was there, everything was everybody got along great.

678
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: It was it was a great time to be over there.

679
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, and Hypha was a great organization

680
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: to be a part of at the time as well.

681
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: Our owner was a guy named Jeff Rosen, who whose

682
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: family owned Rose Art, the cran Company, and uh, he

683
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 1: came into a lot of money and bought the team

684
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: and just treated us really really well. And we had

685
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: some really experienced Israeli guys on our team. Played with

686
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: some awesome American players like Davon Jefferson from sc who

687
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know basketball junkies, remember I mean that

688
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: that guy should have been in the n b A.

689
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just incredibly talented Carmelo Anthony type. Why

690
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: wasn't he like, like I did this thing I did?

691
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: My dad told me when I was in the USB

692
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: L Okay. I was in the USB L and I

693
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: had I had had Bubba Wells, who led the country

694
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: and scoring in Austin p I had Willie Burton, Um

695
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: I had like if you kind of go through it,

696
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: I had Gal and Young was the second round pick

697
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: out of u NC Charlotte. Who else did I have?

698
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: Like you you go through and you I we had

699
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: guys who were had had cups of coffee or like

700
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: Willie Burton scored fifty points in the NBA game and

701
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: you were so. My dad was like, look, son, there's

702
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: always a reason, right, And I was like, what do

703
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: you mean, Like there's always a reason a guy doesn't

704
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: make it or a guy isn't still there, right, There's

705
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: there's just one reason. And I never forget this. And

706
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:24,959
Speaker 1: I'm gonna only tell you to tell the story because

707
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 1: I I love Bubba Wells. He was a great dude.

708
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: He's a second round pick of the Dallas Mavericks. For

709
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: people who remember he had either stress fractures or reactions

710
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: in both legs, he actually had metal rods in both legs,

711
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: and so people thought that was the reason that he

712
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: couldn't make it in the league or he didn't hang

713
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: in the league. He was like an undersized four at

714
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: the time, might have been undersized five now, but really

715
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: didn't defend. Anyway. We go through like training camp and

716
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, this fucking guy's unbelievable, right, Like he's like,

717
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: I'm really Barkley, He's so good. Um. But if we

718
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: go two a day's second practice, he was always ragon

719
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: ass and um. And anyway, we had our first game

720
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: and I'll never forget this. We have a first game

721
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: and we were staying at the Holiday Inn at the

722
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: edge of town, and there's literally a strip club in

723
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: the parking lot, and so a lot of those guys

724
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: you're like, why don't you just pay the strip club

725
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: instead of pay the guy? The money's going there anyway. Anyway,

726
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: So I get my I get my truck, and I

727
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: drive from the Holiday into the Mark Price Arena and

728
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: I'll never get like, on my way to the game.

729
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: There was one guy's car parked in the Strip Club

730
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: parking lot. There was Bubba Wells that he was he

731
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: was parked in the Sonic parking lot, like getting like

732
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: cheese tots and burger and a cooke and um, and

733
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: I just remember thinking, like the guy who's in the

734
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 1: parking lot of the you know guys at the Strip Club.

735
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: That's his reason he's not in the league. And you

736
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: know Bubba Wells, it was is the food, right, He

737
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: just couldn't couldn't control his diet. Why was David Jefferson

738
00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: not a pro? Jefferson was, Uh, well here's offensively he was.

739
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: I mean he was everything he needed, uh to be

740
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: an NBA player because he I don't think anybody could

741
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: defend him threes fours, uh if threes he was just

742
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: big boy and four as he was, he had an

743
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: incredibly quick first step, would be able to get by

744
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: and put him in the basket and shot it well

745
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 1: enough to keep him honest. You know a couple of things.

746
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: Number one, I think he struggled defensively. Obviously, he just

747
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: wasn't able to to move and he wasn't very physical defender.

748
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: So at times, um, I think that might have been

749
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: an area that you know, teams would would be worried about.

750
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: And also you know, at the time, and I can't

751
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 1: speak for him much after after this because I haven't

752
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: stayed in touch with him, but he was just you know,

753
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: he was young. He was really immature. He was eighteen

754
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: years old. Uh he what, he practiced his ass off

755
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: every day. That's one thing I remember and had a

756
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: great level respect for him about was he really liked

757
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: to compete. But you know, I just think he he

758
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: didn't understand at that time what it took to be

759
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 1: a pro and I think that probably held him back. Uh.

760
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: You know, he did make a lot of money, had

761
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: a really really good career in Europe, So you know,

762
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: I don't know if once he got like I think

763
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: he played in Russia for a couple of years, he

764
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: played in Greece for a little bit. I know, he

765
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: was making upwards of half a million dollars for a

766
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: couple of years. So I think not gonna what he

767
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: did really well for himself, but just a little bit

768
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: of immaturity and probably a little bit of just being

769
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: a man without a position and someone to defend is

770
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: probably what ultimately kept him out of being in the

771
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: league for a while, how much of your coaching um

772
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: comes from comes from playing European basketball, Cause, like, look,

773
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: there's a really you have a really interesting background, now, right,

774
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: It wasn't just you played at Sat Mary's because I

775
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: remember when when Randy first got the job, he just

776
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: did four out one in around kicker and there wasn't

777
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 1: it wasn't even really a ton of structures teaching guys

778
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: how to play, and they're really good at passing, catching

779
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: and shooting. It was kind of very simple. And then

780
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: as you pointed out, and probably started more with Patty, uh,

781
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: and then after Patty, you know, when you had or

782
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: you know, when Mickey was there as well. With Patty

783
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: they were same the same year. You had kind of

784
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: the ball screen stuff and the actions off the ball screen.

785
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: Bruce is Dr Tom Davis, right, I mean you pressed

786
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: and it's kind of a frenetic style. So you have

787
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 1: the combination of playing with the ass's, playing for Randy Um,

788
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: playing you know, coaching at Auburn, but also playing in Israel,

789
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: which has a little bit of pure European ball but

790
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: also has a lot of some american Ism to it.

791
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: Like how much of what you do and what you

792
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: run and how you play comes from that. Honestly, our

793
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: early game, our early game action is very European and

794
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: what we ran in Hype the first year that we

795
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 1: were there, and we've made some tweaks to it where

796
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: we have some some wrinkles and and some different actions

797
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: that we run out of it. But just that continuity

798
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: ball screen accident. We call it bulldog motion because get

799
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: his Dagg has gotten good at it. It's just the

800
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: throwing trade ball screen at the top trying to get

801
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: middle penetration and then depending on the pond, you know,

802
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: your other big either bring him higher, you just you know,

803
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: smashes it down low trying to get middle rips. But

804
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: we ran that continuity ballsh connection in Israel and I

805
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: always you know, I never thought it was very complicated,

806
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: but we were always able to get good looks, whether

807
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 1: it was rim twos or kick out threes out of it. So, um,

808
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: my associate head coach, Kevin Hugdy, who is actually really

809
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: really gifted offensive coach and has a great feeling, great

810
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: understanding of how to teach, I kind of asked him

811
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: to look at it. Another team that that runs it

812
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: really really well as Yale, believe it or not, and

813
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: coach James Jones is dominated, you know, over the last

814
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: twenty years, they just finished top four in the IVY

815
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: every year and they just win twenty games, it seems like.

816
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: But um, really just trying to get middle off that

817
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: that continuity balls connection, that that's the main thing that

818
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: we've taken from from Israel, uh, and from the European

819
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: game for sure. And then yeah, well look at how

820
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: we play. You can kind of see a little bit

821
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: of all the guys that I've either worked for or

822
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: played for, whether you know, we're starting repressed a little bit, uh,

823
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: like Bruce would just trying to get the offense slowed up,

824
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 1: trying to get them operating uncomfortably late clock. And then

825
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: we do have some ball screen stuff similar to St. Mary's,

826
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: similar to how we played here last year with Frankie Ferrari.

827
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: So we we try to you know, blend all these

828
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 1: things together together, have different you know, actions that we

829
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: can do against different opponents, and knock on wood. I

830
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: think it's part of the reason why we started off

831
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: so well. Um, the Frankie Ferrari story is pretty amazing

832
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: for people. Okay, so he so so remind me here. Okay,

833
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: So he's he plays a couple of years. Then you

834
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: guys get the job and he wants to transfer, and

835
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: then you talk about like take me through the Actually

836
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: here's you no, So here's the exact way this happened.

837
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: So Rex Walters signed him. He played for Rex as

838
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: a freshman, and then Rex basically, you know, for the

839
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: lack of a better way to explain it, so just

840
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: you know, didn't think he was good enough and told him,

841
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 1: you know, his his career wasn't gonna be there. So

842
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: Frankie transfers to ken Yatta College up here in the

843
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: Bay uh and ends up sitting out. UH. A year

844
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: at Kenyata, sits out, and that was Rex's final year

845
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: here at San Francisco. That was Kyle's last year at Colombia.

846
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: So Kyle gets the job. We and I come here

847
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: about two weeks after he gets here, and we have

848
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: a point guard in our program named Devin Watson, who

849
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: uh who I'm sure you know really well the average

850
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: twenty of game here as a sophomore, and everybody's telling us, hey,

851
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: you got whatever you do, you gotta keep watching. You've

852
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: got to keep him. He's the key to your deal.

853
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: Da da da dada. And where Kyle is amazing is

854
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 1: he won't been for anybody. He's a he's a He's

855
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: culture is so important, environment is so important to him,

856
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: and I respect the hell out of him for it.

857
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: But Devin, you know, simply wasn't willing to buy in

858
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: on what we were trying to do. And so College said, hey,

859
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, um, you're more than willing to give you

860
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: a release and for you to go see what's out there.

861
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: And when when Devon transferred, you know, people thought that

862
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: that we were doomed, you know, that that we we

863
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: weren't gonna be able to win a game. And so

864
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: we were sitting around just saying, you know, we first

865
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: of all, we need a point guard, you know, we

866
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: we gotta find somebody who we could, you know, have

867
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: run the team. And we had one guy who did

868
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: a good job, just a solid player, and we're like,

869
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: you know, what's what's Ferrari doing? Where's he at? You know?

870
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 1: And so I figured out he sat out at Like, shoot,

871
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: you know, this guy, he's finally getting older. He's gonna

872
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: be a third year out of out of high school,

873
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: and he's gonna have three years to play. Uh, but

874
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: let's take a look at him. And there's a rule

875
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: that called the tryout rule, where you know, if a

876
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: guy's exhausted his eligibility, can work him out. So we

877
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: brought him up and uh he worked out, and uh,

878
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: we're like, damn, he looks pretty good. And then he

879
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: played pick up with our guys and one of our

880
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: returners who was about to be a senior, said, coach,

881
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: this guy could really play, Like you know, we we

882
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: could use him. So we had about five sellarships open

883
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: because we had I think three or four guys leave

884
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: as soon as we got the job. So we we

885
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: just brought him back and uh, he we got him

886
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: back as a sophomore, and to be honest, he got

887
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: beat out that year by a guy that we didn't

888
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: think was was better than him, but just did a

889
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: better job in the preseason keeping us organized and was

890
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: more solid, less vultole. But to Frankie's credit, even after

891
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: coming back and not getting the job, he just stuck

892
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,439
Speaker 1: with it. It was really really tough and and really

893
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: scrappy and had some really really good moments that sophomore

894
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: year and then going into the junior year, Kyle just said, hey,

895
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,919
Speaker 1: you know, here you go. It's it's your time. You're

896
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 1: you're twenty two years old. You know, we trust you.

897
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: We'll let you play out of the ball screen, let

898
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: you be aggressive, and uh, you know, he turned into

899
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: a two year All League West Coast Conference player. He got,

900
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 1: you know, a G League offer from Utah or exhibit

901
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: ten offer from Utah. I went and decided to go

902
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: play in Europe and was absolutely tearing it up in Spain,

903
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: playing in the top division in the A C B

904
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: over there, and unfortunately he broke his foot, so he's

905
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: a he's back home, you know, having surgery and getting

906
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: getting healed. But the guy is an incredible offensive player.

907
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: He he's as comfortable in the pick and rolls as

908
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: you'll see. You know, he's he's he's like he's not

909
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: as big or or as tall as delve Adoba, but

910
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: he has the same poise where you get the defender

911
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: on his hip and and read the whole floor and uh,

912
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: just you know, it makes sure life a lot of

913
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: easier as a coach because all you do is you

914
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: have different actions to get in your ball screen and

915
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: then you just let him play. And uh, you know,

916
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: it was just a great story of maturation, a great

917
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: story of a guy who who's stuck with it. And uh,

918
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: a great reminder in this time of one and dunes

919
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: in in the transfer era, where you know, if you

920
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: can just stick with it and get to the later

921
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: part of your career in the same place, there's a

922
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: great chance that you're gonna have success. Uh. And by

923
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: the way, and you can't you don't have to say this.

924
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: I can Devin Watson, who statistically very successful at San

925
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: Diego State, but they didn't win like they normally did.

926
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: And since he's been gone now they're back winning again. Um,

927
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: so we'll just you know, like, look, sometimes guys, sometimes

928
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: guys can really score and can really play, but they

929
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: just don't know how to win basketball games or how

930
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: to especially the point guard spot. Like you just you

931
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: either have the winning factor or or you do. Not

932
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: let me. Um, how how are does that to identify?

933
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,959
Speaker 1: In the way in which we recruit nowadays, it's really hard.

934
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just I'm serious. It's really hard, and

935
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: I think it's not getting any easier. You know, this

936
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: past year they took away some recruiting opportunities from us

937
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: to see the class and and and it concerns me

938
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: because you know, we've only seen these guys a handful

939
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: of times alive, and and now we're asked to make

940
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: you know, sixty dollar decisions, you know, on these guys

941
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: in terms of giving him scholarships and you know, making

942
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: sure they're good fits. But you know, I think the

943
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: transfer issue is not going to go away under these

944
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: new circumstances because we just don't have a good enough

945
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 1: opportunity to know these guys. You know, we're we uh,

946
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: we try to evaluate him the best we can, but

947
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: it's it's not it's not an exact science, obviously, And

948
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: to understand what you're talking about, you know what, whether

949
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: a guy has that winning way about him, you know,

950
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: it takes about five or six times at a minimum

951
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: of seeing him play full games live to to start

952
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: getting a good understanding of that. Uh. There's also there's

953
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: also and you tell me if I'm wrong, because you

954
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: live it and I only cover it, which is you

955
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: know it's my dad don't used to tell stories about

956
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 1: how like you know, he go recruit kids, like he

957
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: just going set up shop in the kids hometown, and

958
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: you knew everything about him, whether it's the calendar the

959
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: number of dates, the fact that we have these assistance

960
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: that that can only be outside number of days or whatever,

961
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: um or the lack of ability to communicate, you know,

962
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: I think that we hurd are like you want to

963
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: know what you're getting, right, you really really want to

964
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: know what you're getting and and so when when when

965
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: a lot of times, yeah, we're's both ways right, like

966
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: players need to know. I mean like, look, I'll just

967
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: you know, I'll never forget when I was um when

968
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: I signed Anore Dame so I had to sign. It

969
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: was in November, right, and my only the only time

970
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: I remember seeing Notre Dame play was against u c

971
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: l A the or maybe Indiana and U c l

972
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: A like the year before, And I don't even really

973
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: remember the U c l A game, remember them beating Indiana,

974
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 1: And like everything else is kind of taking everybody's word

975
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: for it, you know. We I signed, we go and

976
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: see him play Loyal Merrymount and they win in overtime,

977
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: Like all right, I go and see him play San

978
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 1: Diego and they're down thirty one half and I was

979
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: like I turned into the look of my dad and

980
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: was like, what do we do? Like what did wet

981
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: what do we what do we do? And I think

982
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: it works for both ways. Where players don't know necessary

983
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: coaches that players don't totally know the program and things

984
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: changed so much between the fall and the spring night

985
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: you gotta sign guys earlier so you have you got

986
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: them in your back pocket. But it's such a hard

987
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: thing to sign a year in advance when so much

988
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: changes in a basketball program, no doubt, And and to

989
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: your point, for me philosophically, I actually am not big

990
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: on signing guys early. We signed two kids earlier this year.

991
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: We had we had we have one oh that we

992
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: just left open um. You know, one of the guys

993
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: we knew is gonna fit fill a need um that

994
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: will be losing in graduation. And the other guy is

995
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: more of a project. But I to your point, I

996
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: want to gather as much information as possible about these

997
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: guys before we bring them into our program. And and

998
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's it's just here at San Francisco,

999
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: and maybe it's different at the high major level. You know,

1000
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: obviously when I was at Auburn is a little different.

1001
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: We started recruiting kids early, um, and it's I guess,

1002
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: you know, with top seventy five top guys, it's feel

1003
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: easier to identify their skill level early. But to your

1004
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: point earlier about the winning piece, it's not easy to

1005
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: identify that even in the top seventy to um you know,

1006
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: it takes time to see them and say, all right,

1007
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: this guy talented. But you know, like we're talking about

1008
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: with the example of Devin Watson, like is he going

1009
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: to really be able to take you to the next level?

1010
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: You know, like, Okay, he's gonna be able to score

1011
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: for me, but will he be able to guard his position,

1012
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: will be a good teammate? Things like that. So for

1013
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: me in our staff here, I've really uh kind of

1014
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: asked our coaching staff too. The only way we want

1015
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: to sign a guy early is if we think you're

1016
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: gonna be all league. If we think he can be

1017
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: an all league guy, then then we'll take him early

1018
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: and and you know, have those twelve months of of

1019
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: gray area until you ge him on campus. But other

1020
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: than that, I want to wait till the spring, I

1021
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,919
Speaker 1: think because there's so many kids transferring. Obviously, the fifth

1022
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: year market is uh is one that that teams have

1023
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: to take a hard look at to to fill needs

1024
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: and and obviously in the fifth year market, it's a

1025
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: much more known commodity. What you're getting you get four years,

1026
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,919
Speaker 1: three or four years of data on them in terms

1027
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: of performance and then in terms of how they how

1028
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: they do in the classroom. Um. Obviously you can talk

1029
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: to professors, you can talk to coaches, you can talk

1030
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: to UH compliance people whoever it may be to get

1031
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: a good pull. You can get way more information on

1032
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: those guys than you can on the high school kids.

1033
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: And I think it's, uh, it's what's hurting the high

1034
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: school kids in terms of their opportunities coming out. It's

1035
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: hurting you know why you're seeing all those A lot

1036
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: of these guys leave their institutions after one season. Um.

1037
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: But just gathering as much information as possible is the

1038
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: most important thing for me in terms of recruiting student

1039
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: athletes right now. Last thing, Um, the WCC is a

1040
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 1: beast and UM, you know, obviously Gonzaga and St. Mary's

1041
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: have always been good. I feel like Mark Pope has

1042
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: a chance and he should you know, this year now

1043
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: they get Child's back like b y U should have

1044
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: been better, like they were really well coached. But when

1045
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: when they're right, that's a that's a high major sque program. Um.

1046
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: And then you know you look around the league in

1047
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 1: UOP Damon stottermy think has done a very good job.

1048
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: Again that that's a hard to go from not just

1049
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: probation but also playing in the Big West to playing

1050
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: in the w c CEE. It's a massive step up

1051
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: these days. Um, you know, look, it's a it's a

1052
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: really good league. So but the problem is, you know,

1053
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: the problem has always been like you're not gonna be

1054
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: Gonzag I mean, you got one shot to be him

1055
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 1: at home, same Mary, Like you're you're fighting for everybody

1056
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: else is fighting for third or fourth place. That that's

1057
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: the presumption from the outside, from the inside and especially

1058
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: as well as you know Saint Mary's and you know

1059
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: these programs. What is it like to be one of

1060
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: those schools fighting to get kind of at that other level. Yeah,

1061
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, I think for me when uh,

1062
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: when I got the same Mary's as a player, you know,

1063
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: we were working to kind of get into that upper

1064
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: sh on it. And then it was much different, right

1065
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: because at that time the league only had eighteen and

1066
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: it was just Gonzaga. You know, they had gotten good,

1067
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: they were in the tournament every year. And then you

1068
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: had other good programs like Pepper Done with Paul Westfall

1069
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: was always really talented. Uh you know they're Santa Clara

1070
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 1: with Dick Davey always had really you know, grimy, gritty teams. Um.

1071
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: But we were, you know, working our way from being

1072
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: in the bottom of the league. You know, two years

1073
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: before I got there, you know, Sat Mary's only had

1074
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: two two wins, that only one Division one win. You know.

1075
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: Then Randy got nine his first year, then fifteen, and

1076
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: then my first year there we won nineteen when I retorted,

1077
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: So we I kind of was a part of that

1078
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: process getting to the top. So and and I might

1079
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: be naive, I might you know, be a glass have

1080
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: full guy, but I kind of feel like the heavy

1081
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: lifting here at San Francisco has been done and Kyle

1082
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: deserved a ton of credit for that. You know, we

1083
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,320
Speaker 1: won twenty games the last three years. We've it's a

1084
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: very solid, stable culture. We have great kids in our program. Um.

1085
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: So to me, we're a lot of the heavy lifting,

1086
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: a lot of the tough part is done. Now what

1087
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 1: we have to do is simply recruit this one level

1088
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: up in terms of of student athletes and in skill

1089
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: and talent while maintaining the integrity of the culture and

1090
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: an academic piece of our program. And then honestly, I

1091
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: think we're knocking on the door. Uh you know, we

1092
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: have two really talented kids sitting out right now into

1093
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 1: Marie Millstead and Isaiah Hawthorne. We bring back a bulk

1094
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: of our group from this team for next year. We

1095
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: lose our starting center, which will really hurt. But other

1096
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:40,959
Speaker 1: than that, you know, George Martino has been a really

1097
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: solid uh fixture in our program in in raymowd right,

1098
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: and it has been really solid as well. But I

1099
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: think we have guys that are equally of not a

1100
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: little more talented ready to step in there. So I

1101
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: feel like we're right there now. We gotta hit UH

1102
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: and and get some some a little more talented caliber

1103
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 1: student athlete. But I think right now we're teetering between

1104
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: somewhere between the top fifty top seventy five team. I

1105
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: do think we're gonna make a little jump here getting

1106
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: through the holidays as we get a little healthy, uh

1107
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: you know, because some guys are just playing at insanely

1108
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: high level, and I think we'll be able to to

1109
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: maintain some other guys, you know, lifting up. But it's

1110
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: a challenge. It's crazy. One thing that I joke about

1111
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: and I told my dad this. We are you know,

1112
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: our WCC conference meetings in June. It was about a

1113
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: month and a half, two months after I got the job.

1114
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there at the conference office in our meeting.

1115
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: I'm looking around and you know, there's Mark few across

1116
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: from me. Coach Bennett and I are sitting next to

1117
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: each other. You've got Lorenzo Romar. There, you got herb

1118
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: Syndec there you already alluded to Coach Mark Pope Damon. Um, shoot,

1119
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: Terry Porter's there a guy that's coached NBA team. You know,

1120
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,919
Speaker 1: our league is no joke. I mean it top to bottom. Uh,

1121
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: there's incredible coaches. I think four of the coaches have

1122
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: won over four hundred games. Um. You know, in a way,

1123
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: I do think our league in a way is better

1124
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: than the PAC twelve. I think the PAC twelve has

1125
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 1: more rock talent, but our league is older. I think

1126
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: our league is a little tougher. Um. You know, I

1127
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: think if you put a team from our league in

1128
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 1: the pack, they're gonna finish right about where they finish

1129
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: in our league. Uh so it's a challenge, but hey,

1130
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's really hard to be good. It's definitely

1131
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: not gonna be easy, but uh, you know, you just

1132
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: take what you're given and see if we can find

1133
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: a way to catch up with those guys. Well you

1134
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 1: want to one in PAC twelve play, wins over Cal

1135
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: lost to Stanford, so uh we lost the Arizona so

1136
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: so so that that you actually it may not play

1137
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: out the way that in your own mind, like that's

1138
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 1: you're saying you'd be one and two in w c

1139
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 1: C play if you play that level of team. I'm

1140
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: gonna politely disagree with you. I do think you know,

1141
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: they're the bottom of the pack. Was way has been

1142
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: way down. But you know, you dub you know obviously

1143
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: U C l A is not as good as they

1144
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: should be. USC is more. I think what you're talking

1145
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: about super talented. Arizona's again very young, but very talented.

1146
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: Kind of to your point, which is it's it's fast

1147
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: and then going. You know, Glenzach is better than everybody

1148
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 1: in that league. So although Organs Organs pretty talented when

1149
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: they get everybody eligible and everybody healthy, listen, um, marry

1150
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 1: everything to you and your family and and happy Hanukkah

1151
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: and what a blessed life it's been for you so far,

1152
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: and did we we wish you nothing but success. Uh, Doug,

1153
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: I appreciate you having me on. I appreciate you man. Uh,

1154
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: You've always been great to mean mean a lot. Both

1155
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: you and Greg have been awesome. And uh, happy Hanaka

1156
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: to you to my friend and hope to catch up

1157
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: with you soon thanks to taking Be sure to catch

1158
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at

1159
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: three p m. Easter noon, Pacific. Last thing is this,

1160
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: I want to share with you a couple of holiday

1161
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: memories as as you get ready for Christmas or maybe

1162
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: you're celebrating Christmas. You're driving to another a family member's

1163
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: house and in law's house, your dad's house, whatever. Christmas

1164
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: is a great day for basketball and somehow you know,

1165
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: football has turkey bowls and people play, but we always

1166
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: play a basketball game when me and my brother around,

1167
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: either organized pick up game or find other people that

1168
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: haven't going on. We got to play when I was

1169
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: a kid at Miles Square Park in Fountain Valley, California.

1170
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: That was where I learned to play basketball, and my

1171
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: dad would take us there in Christmas and we all

1172
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: have our new gear on and everybody else's play and

1173
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: would usually have new shoes on or maybe new shorts on.

1174
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: Now it was outside, it was the dead of winner,

1175
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: but in California that doesn't matter. Then of course we'll

1176
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: have NBA and college hoop on TV. I hope you

1177
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: enjoy all of it, all of it, but um, more

1178
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: than anything, watch the games, play the games, and enjoy

1179
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: listen to us talk about the games. Thanks to Todd

1180
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: Golden Head, coach of San Francisco. Make sure you listen

1181
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: to my daily radio show three to six Eastern on

1182
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Trader, the I Heart Radio app. UM. You

1183
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 1: can also listen to us on Sirius XM, same channel

1184
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: as Dan Patrick. I think that's two six, two three

1185
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: and two sevent I'm Doug Glibin. This is all ball