WEBVTT - Breakwater 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.000 Of the law and order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.800 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:07.680 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:08.920 These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:11.280 These are our stories, done. 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:31.400 Done, Happy New Year, Thats messed up an SVU podcast. 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:33.879 I'm one of your hosts, Kara Klank. 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:35.239 And I'm Leeza Trigger. 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:39.320 We talk SVU true crime and we don't have guests, 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:40.360 but we will soon. 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:43.600 The strike is almost you know, it's over. Whatever. 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:47.120 Also, if you're checking in, I'm on a flight right 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:52.159 now back from Mexico City back to La Hopefully I 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:57.280 had some you know, outer body werele experiences there or 0:00:57.400 --> 0:00:58.360 just ate some good food. 0:00:58.920 --> 0:00:59.959 I think you're gonna eat great foo. 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:02.520 Everybody says Mexico City is like the new hot spot 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:06.480 for cuisine, Like, yeah, a lot of bachelor parties go there, 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:08.520 Like the people go there for I'm going. 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:12.200 On the later and you know, Mexico City kept ramping up. 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:13.440 It was the cool place to go. 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:15.720 And you know, I am now one of the basics 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:16.840 that are Yeah. 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:20.039 One of the one of the executive producers of Drag 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:23.280 Race went when we were working on the show, and 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:25.720 he's like a cool like gay man that went with 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:27.760 his husband, and I was like, this seems like a 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:29.840 really awesome trip. Like when I saw the pictures, and 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:31.880 that was twenty nineteen, you're not that late. 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:33.520 I mean three or four years. But it's like, I 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:34.199 know what you're talking about. 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:36.360 A few years ago, Prague was like the hot place, 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:40.399 or not Prague, the Dalmation coast, Croatia, the Dalmatian coast 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:42.360 of Croatia, like everybody was going there because it was 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:43.319 like it. 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:46.360 Was like Game of Thrones was filmed. I said something 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:48.480 to my sister. I'm like, let's go to Croatia. She goes, 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:51.200 it's over. We're going to Albania. That's the news place. 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.320 I'm like, I love it, but it's like I never 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:54.800 want to go. 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:57.280 Like everybody was going to Tuloom at one point, like 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:00.160 fifteen years ago, and then like, well then it's it's like, 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:02.400 you know, there's these little towns like Sayulita in Mexico, 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:04.640 which everybody goes to, and then too many people go 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:07.000 and they ruin their fucking sewage system and their shit 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:10.120 running through the streets because they can't handle that many people. 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:12.720 So I love that we can just pick different locations 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:14.560 to ruin every few years, I know. 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:16.080 But you know what I didn't think about. 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:18.240 I was hanging out with someone and they were like, 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:21.480 you know, it is illegal to be gay in like 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:23.960 seventy five countries, and he was like, that's why all 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:26.200 the gays always go to mikonos or the same places 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:28.120 over and over because it's like there's only a few 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.000 safe places where you can actually be like super gay 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:33.080 and out and about. And I was like, wow, because 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:36.400 we make jokes about the gays and miconos, but now at. 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:39.200 Like I was like, oh, yeah, you can't fucking go everywhere. 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:42.200 And my brother, my brother and his husband had to 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:44.320 think about that. For their honeymoon. They were literally like, 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:46.600 we only want to go somewhere that's like gay friendly, 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:49.200 and they went. They ended up going to Saint Bart's 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:51.320 and Saint Martin, but they were like there were a 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:53.160 couple places on their list that they were like, now 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:54.760 we can't go there because we're gay. And I was like, 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:57.720 oh fuck, Like that's why Portavarta is like a huge 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:02.799 destination too, like for for that. So it's interesting, well 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:04.240 interesting in the worst way. 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:05.000 For sure, it's. 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:07.760 Horrible, but like it's like you we don't think about 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:09.880 that that like you know, well. 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:13.040 Yeah, it's like yeah, we like make jokes about like ah, 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:16.280 you're going here without like thinking about what. 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:19.040 The Yeah, Like I definitely thought, oh wow, they're going 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:22.120 to Portoviarta again, and then I'm like, oh wait, like yeah, 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.040 you can't just like go wherever, and why not go 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:27.200 to a place where like you're you're celebrated and like 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:28.639 everybody love, like you're. 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:31.200 Not just well, they're not that bad to gay people there. 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:32.760 Like I guess we could go and just like not 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:34.880 kiss each other ever in public, you know what I mean. 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:36.800 Like, no, you're gonna want to go to the places 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:41.560 where they're like super welcoming, so there should be fucking more. 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:42.800 It's kind of crazy that there's not. 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:48.360 No, it's like straight up illegal in so many places. Yeah, 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:52.240 where like you know, people could go perform certain places, 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:54.160 and my friends were like absolutely not. 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:58.520 My cousin who's gay, has gone to Russia for like 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:02.640 fun trips while and I'm like why and he's like whatever, 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:06.560 Like he just like is very loves history, loves international stuff. 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.080 You know, I don't know, I wouldn't go there. 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:13.280 I know, I know I could speak the language, I 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:15.680 would not step foot there in ars. 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.480 I mean this is pre this was like pre Ukraine 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:20.360 and stuff that he went. It was, you know, years ago, 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:21.599 but like, yeah. 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:25.919 I'd never gone back either, there's no way. Yeah, I 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:29.919 don't know. But outside of travel, well, so this is 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.920 a little outdated. Maybe I've posted some photos by now, 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:37.640 but I did get a VIP back lot tour of 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:40.520 the San Diego Zoo and I did pet a zebra. 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:44.160 If you, if you know Liza or you've been to 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:45.960 our live shows, we've done a lot of talking about 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.600 zoo's I had. I didn't really know this until about 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:50.440 you until like a few months ago that you're like. 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:52.000 Think it was a zoo person. 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:53.600 I know, but I didn't think it was. 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:57.359 I don't know if I'm I enjoy animals, but I 0:04:57.360 --> 0:04:59.839 guess I've had more opportunities lately to go to zoos 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:01.360 than I haven't, but I'm you. 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:02.320 Know, I like animals. 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.200 I know, I know you like animals, but like this, 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:07.840 like this, getting this tour, I feel like, was it 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:09.440 was a top moment in your life? 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:11.960 Like it was really it sounds amazing. 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:15.200 Cool, and it's just it's really awesome to be around 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.120 anyone that's really educated and smart and something they're really 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:21.960 passionate about. And so like to be with these young 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:23.720 people that are working at the zoo. And if you're 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:25.560 at the San Diego Zoo, you're not a schlub. You 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:27.240 are the best in the country. You were the best 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:28.000 one of the best zoos. 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:28.400 Yeah. 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:31.760 Yeah, And so to learn about the conservation and how 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.200 much they've done for animals and how much thought goes 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:37.839 into animals and like we just kind of are like, oh, 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:39.719 how sad they're in this thing, and just like the 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:43.000 amount of thought goes into the space the animals in 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:45.000 and the diet and the friends, like they were bringing 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.280 a donkey to hang out with the zebra and like 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:51.400 you know how different cheetahs have different personality traits and 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:53.920 so one likes to run for fun, but most don't 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:56.440 want to run for fun, and like they're happy to 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:59.920 chill and get food. And just the passion and love 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.400 that these people had and just being able to like 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:05.360 someone open a key and then everyone's looking at us 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:06.920 and we're like, yeah, we're going behind. 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:09.839 Yeah, we're going to feed these camels. Sorry for the IP. 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:13.159 Experience, It doesn't matter. You just love a VIP experience, And. 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:17.800 Who does love passing a line for sure and being 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:19.560 on a list. But and then three out of the 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:21.559 four of us did go to the did buy stuff 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:22.840 at the store, which I love. 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:25.720 But it was just cool. 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:27.480 And the one thing I really learned was, you know, 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:29.520 at the Pittsburgh's who I was really sad for this 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:32.960 red panda because he was so alone. And then I 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:37.440 brought it up and our tour guide she was like, oh, well, 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.640 we're putting human emotions on animals. These are solitary animals. 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:42.599 They are alone in the wilds. They don't want friends. 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:45.159 It's more food for them. And I went, whoa, and 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:47.480 she goes, yeah, the only time they're together is mom 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:48.960 and baby, and the dad is gone. 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:50.599 The dad's in a different place, the mom. Yeah. 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:51.240 Nothing to do with. 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:54.680 Hack animals, I guess like wolves or something, but yeah, 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:55.760 and they don't have wolves. 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:58.800 Well they have wolves in behind the scenes and like 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:02.159 in the hospitals, but wolves don't want to be seen 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:05.000 and so they're not put out it to be seen. 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:07.200 Did you ask about pandas at all? 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:10.080 What's going like about like the implications of like the 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:11.040 pandas all leaving? 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:13.560 I did, Yeah, so you know, it was like a 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.160 fifty year lease, but she said that China's gonna like 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:17.600 bring them back. It was just part of the lease, 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.280 and it actually in twenty nineteen, but the pandemic made 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.000 it difficult, so they knew it was happening. The pandas 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:25.560 are back, and she said they're probably like broke her 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:27.920 a new deal and get the pandas back, Like she's 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:29.280 not really worried about it. 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:30.320 It seems like they'll come back. 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:34.440 That it wasn't like a geopolitical like well, because that's 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:37.120 what people say that like the pandas are a symbol 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:39.680 of how relations are going between the US and China. 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:41.240 So who knows, because it. 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.400 Was worldwide, it was I or maybe it wasn't, but 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:46.480 she didn't see. She said like that they're probably coming back, 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:48.520 Like it didn't seem like she was that we about it. 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:52.520 But I also did ask someone about SeaWorld and because 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:58.080 they in their animal hospital, they help SeaWorld, and I 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.160 tried to get dirt and they were not. 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:06.280 I don't think they were allowed to or they really 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:08.520 believe in what they were saying. I don't know, but 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:10.440 that they're for them, because I think. 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:12.200 That's the one animal that makes me sad is like 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:16.200 Orca's Like, I don't think orcas should be and I. 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:18.320 Never saw that, doc. Did you see Blackfish? 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:19.800 Of course of course you did. 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:22.200 Yeah, like my octopus teacher, like you, you are into 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:25.640 animals a lot more than I thought I've been discovering. 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:29.800 Yeah, they're cool, they're cool and cute. 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:33.320 Yeah, no, I. 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:34.160 Want to put a thing. 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.000 So anyways, once you put a zebra, it's really hard 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:39.720 to go back into the regular world and act like 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:40.760 you're not better than people. 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:43.560 But Oscar just got a zimber sticker at the doctor 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:45.600 today and I go, you know, Lisa got to pet one. 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:47.040 He goes, can I do that one day? 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:48.160 Like he was? 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:51.120 He's My kids just want to do what you're doing 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:51.679 all the time. 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:53.000 I want to go to Mexico. 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.880 This zebra is special because I learned that zebras are 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:01.840 actually like pretty aggressive and defensive because they're prey for 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:02.840 so many animals. 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:05.679 This zebra is special and she's the fame whore. 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:10.560 She's a little fluted, she loves hang oh my god. 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.199 So it's also like we got lucky with this one, 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:18.440 like cutie zebra who likes attention, which is rare, I guess. 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:21.360 And then the giraffes was five girl giraffes and they 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:23.160 were like eating off one bush and I was like, 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:25.920 it is it's just so cute. 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:26.800 Are they gossiping? 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:27.080 You know? 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.240 But it's just too much human emotion. Whatever. 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:31.960 There's like a new giraffe at the La Zoo and 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:33.840 they're gonna they haven't named it yet. It's like two 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:35.480 or three months old and they still haven't named it, 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:37.160 and I was like, oh, they have to like wait 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:40.199 till some like rich Donor pays the most amount of 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.480 money to name it. But apparently there is like a 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:46.520 name contest happening and they're figuring out what the name 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:49.520 is going to be. But our friend who listens to 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:53.000 the podcast, who's dating a zoo keeper at that zoo, 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:56.280 told us that she submitted one of our friend's kids 0:09:56.800 --> 0:10:00.080 like little names that they had, which is super cute, 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:01.720 and we'll see if it gets picked. 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:02.840 That is cube. 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:04.480 Well, So I went to Shane Tours and I go, 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:06.680 guess what, I went to the zoo, you know, and 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:08.280 he goes, I was at a zoo too, and I 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:09.839 pet a rhinoceros and I. 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:11.240 Go, are you fucking kidding me? 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:12.000 Rhyo? 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:15.000 Yeah, he was. I forgot what state he was in. 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:16.480 So I was like, I can't. I guess that's like 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:18.840 a cool thing comics can do when they're in town, 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:21.360 like add it to the list of things that we 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:21.840 can do. Well. 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:23.239 Yeah, I mean, because. 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:25.880 Like you guys are posting and getting people, getting the 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:28.400 zoo in people's brains and stuff. It's good like marketing. 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:30.600 Let a couple comics pet your zebra and then they'll 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:31.320 post about it. 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:35.479 Yeah, being with like famous people that get special privileges 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:36.120 is fun. 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:38.360 Yeah, it was thrilling. 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.680 But also so at the show, someone heckled, did I 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.840 tell you this? No, So someone was heckling, going, I 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:47.280 work at the you know, yelling about the zoo. 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:48.839 And then the next day we go to the zoo. 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:50.679 We're talking to one of the trainers or and I 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:52.520 don't know if they're called trainers, one of the workers, 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:56.880 and she then shyly goes my sister in law screamed, yesterday, 0:10:56.920 --> 0:11:00.760 I'm so embarrassed, And it was oh so it. 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:03.400 Was her going, my sister works at this, Oh my god. 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:07.920 Yeah yeah yeah, so people are well, I'm glad she 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.560 got I'm glad she got to sort of like share 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:11.560 her apology with you. 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:14.280 So that you were like these fucking wild and out 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:15.040 zoo keepers. 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:17.760 Well, no, it's all really thrilling. 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:18.760 I I don't know. 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:21.000 I'm trying to think if like I have a like 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:24.960 my sixteenth birthday, I got, you know, membership to the aquarium. 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:26.720 I went to the aquarium in Lincoln Park Zoo all 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:30.080 the time. I didn't realize it was rare. But I 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.079 like art museums. I guess I just like things. I 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:34.480 guess when you're traveling alone, you need other things. Enter 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:37.679 ta Yeah, yeah, that's for sure. On art, an animal, 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:41.320 a movie, you need something. I wonder what Taylor day 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:44.160 for New Year's Oh yeah, baseball game. I wonder it 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:45.000 was like things. 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:47.880 Oh my god, this is like becoming a Taylor Swift podcast. 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:48.520 What do you think? 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:52.360 But one of the time things was a fun article. 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:54.280 She goes, Yeah, people think the first date was me 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:56.600 going to his game, Like that would be psychotic to 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:58.200 hard launch on a first date. 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:01.559 And I was like, yeah, Taylor, you're like normal and 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:02.480 when whatever. 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:05.280 Well to also be right next to his mom on 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:07.840 a first day like that would be that's crazy. 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:08.800 Like no, she said. 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.320 They started talking immediately after the podcast in July. 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.440 Yeah, and I'm sure, like yesh, like they had him 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:17.719 like slipped in under the cover of night to some 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:20.880 her house or wherever she wanted to. 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.040 I like her being more free, I like her being 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:23.600 out and about. 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:26.760 I like enjoy it more well, because the last guy 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:28.960 she dated didn't like the attention, right, So now this 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:30.360 guy's like, let's get out there. 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:31.960 Let's fucking go. 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:35.480 This is so, this is so dated. I bet they're 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:38.800 like married already or something, and it's wow, what if. 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:40.800 Oh my god, Well, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm just 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.319 gonna say it right now. If they somehow get engaged 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:45.160 like this holiday, we're gonna have to do some kind 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:48.280 of emergency episode on our cell phones or something. There's 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:50.880 just like no way that you're gonna have like keep 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:52.520 this in the time machine and all that shit. 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:53.280 Like, there's no way. 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:57.200 I do get super obsessed about things. I think the 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:59.760 tailor might be a permanent fixture. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:00.600 You don't know. 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:03.800 I apologize, I'm sorry, I'm a broken record. I'll try 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:06.480 to get a new personality soon. It's a new year, 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:08.360 new year, knew me, new year, knew me, So. 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:14.320 New year new So with that, I'd say happy New 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:19.360 Year everyone. I hope you're giving yourself kind achievable resolutions, 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:23.400 let's not get too crazy, and that you're ready to 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:25.439 start twenty twenty four off right. I mean, I am 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.120 terrified for this year because of the presidential election, but 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.240 I'm trying to put a good spin on it and 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:32.600 say that we're going to have the best year ever. 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:34.480 It's going to be the year that Trump lost a 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:35.160 second time. 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.520 So I can't believe it's I can't believe you're bringing 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:39.360 this up on January. 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.000 I know, I'm so sorry. I'm so Sorryry. 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:45.760 I truly wasn't mentally at all. I am still in 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:48.839 the days of full I know. 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:51.640 I can't believe, you know, but we have to stay 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:53.320 we have to stay woke. We have to stay on this. 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:55.280 We have to postcard, we have to do everything we can. 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:59.760 This cannot happen. But listen, we are starting in our episode. 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:01.000 We've got a good one for you guys. 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:01.480 Today. 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:04.440 There was something going on with my recording equipment or 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:08.120 something on this day where my recording sounded weird. So 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:10.960 they're using a recording from my zoom and it's going 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:12.960 to sound a little bit different. Just in case you're like, 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:15.360 why does Karra sound weird. You don't have to send 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.679 us the DM we're telling you now. Okay, So now 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:25.920 let's get to this week's episode. Okay, we are finally 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:29.840 getting around to doing an episode from the most recent season, 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:35.000 season twenty four. We are doing Breakwater episode five, which 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:38.480 came out in October of last year. And of course, 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:40.880 you know, if we're going to hit the most recent season, 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:42.600 we're going to do the one about. 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:45.000 The most powerful lifeguard in New York. 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:48.800 So we open on an indoor pool. A girl is 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:51.480 swimming through that water. Lisa, you could probably comment on 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.920 her stroke and her speed, because I'm not a big swimmer. 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:57.880 She seems like she's going fast. To me, I don't 0:14:57.880 --> 0:14:59.800 remember the stroke. I'm sorry you really put me on 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:00.240 this spot. 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:03.080 And no, you're just like a swim team gal. 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:05.720 But like, yeah, no, the pool looks great. I could 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:07.920 smell the chlorine in my room, like you know, I was. 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.080 I was brought back there, but I could. I did 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:17.080 not judge her stroke, unfortunately, Well, you already disappoint the masses. 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:18.040 Were you a lifeguard? 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:20.800 No, that's too much work. I was a slide attendant 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:23.800 and so I would. 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:25.680 Grab people in an inner tube and like throw them 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.400 down the slide or in the tube slide. I'd be 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.480 like next, and then I taught swim lessons and you 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.800 got paid more. So these like lifeguards are lifeguards in 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:38.280 the Skokie Park District take it very seriously and they 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:42.040 do like lifeguard games every summer and they have this 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:45.320 like ten second head thing. Like Skokie Park District is 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.400 very I've always been very impressed with their lifeguards. 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:51.000 But they got paid worse than me. 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:53.280 Like I taught swim lessons and I got paid double 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:58.360 than what lifeguards got paid. Damn and so and they 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:02.560 it's really hard work and training and stuff like Skochy 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:04.480 pride itself from great lifeguarding. 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:08.160 No, it's crazy. I mean I was a lifeguard for years. 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:11.200 I became a certified lifeguard when I was fifteen at 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:15.000 my summer camp and like it was hard, like I 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:17.320 thought it was going to fail, Like they were like 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.480 having to give me extra not because for us, it 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:23.520 wasn't about like the swimming fast really thing. 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:25.240 We weren't getting timed and stuff like that. 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:28.560 It was like getting a spinal injury onto the board 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:30.440 and getting it out of the lake. I mean, to 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:32.440 train to be a lifeguard in a lake is pretty 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.200 terrifying because you can't see the bottom at all. So 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:38.800 they would basically just randomly once a summer blow a 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:40.880 fog horn and we would everyone that was lifeguard had 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.600 to run down to the waterfront, stripping their clothes off, 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:46.360 form a line and jump into the water and start 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:48.960 sweeping looking for a brick covered in duct tape. Like 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:52.680 we had to find the smallest, darkest object, and it 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:55.680 was so like everybody people would be crying afterwards. It 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:57.800 was just like terrifying because they never told you if 0:16:57.800 --> 0:16:59.240 it was real or fake. You know, it was just 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:01.000 like get down there. We didn't know if we were 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:03.360 looking for a kid or the brick, so it was 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:07.520 very traumatizing. But I've always thought beach lifeguards are like, 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:10.040 oh my god, that's like the ultimate because that's like 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:13.160 a current you're moving against and like that's you know, 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:15.000 all kinds of different shit sharks. 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:16.080 I don't even fucking. 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.920 Know, but like, oh, I was raised on Baywatch, and 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:21.399 I think a lot of America so they agree with you. 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:22.800 We love a nation lifeguard. 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.280 Like I mean, to me, that's like you're not letting 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:27.640 some fifteen year old girl who's like kind of got 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.119 the spinal down and maybe isn't doing the right taps 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:33.119 of her CPR at the right like rhythm, you know, 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:34.200 Like I. 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:36.639 But I but I've also been to a hotel pool 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:40.119 where the lifeguard's really slouchy and has a cell phone, 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:41.919 you know what I mean, and the signs are like 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:42.800 we don't really care. 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:44.240 Yeah, but well. 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:47.000 You've been to my pool with me that I go 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:49.200 to where famously there are no lifeguards and the children 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:54.720 are just running a book. So I but, like, I remember, 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:58.960 it's cool that you even got paid, like they keep 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:00.639 talking about in this episode of Luke rid Of it is. 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:02.240 For me, it was like a badge of honor. 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:04.679 Like people just it was cool to get your lifeguarding 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:06.960 and then you did not really get paid more like 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:08.960 maybe when we got old, you got paid one hundred 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:10.520 more a summer for being a lifeguard. 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:11.440 Well, camp's different. 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:13.840 But also these are young, like as these are teens, 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:16.960 and these are early twenty somethings, So for them, like 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:20.919 as a teen, if you're I mean, we'll see this 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:24.439 is like updated. But if you're getting like mon, you know, 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:27.600 if you're not working at a dairy queen, it's like cool, Yeah, 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:31.000 you're lifeguard. You're in the sun bathing suit, You're assuming 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:34.879 everyone's in great shape, hanging out like it's exciting, Like 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:37.639 for a youth, what's more cool than being a tanned, 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:42.439 sexy lifeguard. Yeah, yeah, that's the that's like the dream, 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:44.199 but too scary for me at the beach, Like I 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:45.600 would not be able to do it at the beach, 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:46.720 but and the. 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:48.520 Salts and you can't see anything. 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:51.920 Yeah, and I got recertified. I would get recertified at home, 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:53.680 like in a pool. And I was like, this seems 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:55.040 a lot easier because we would have to get a 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.320 spinal board out of a lake, like up onto the dock. 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:01.159 It was like it was it was a lifeguarding was 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:04.560 like traumatic for me. But back to the episode, I'm 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:06.200 just saying, I know where these people are coming from. 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:08.560 They're trying to qualify to be lifeguards. This girl gets 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:10.400 to the end of the of the lap and this 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:11.520 guy is coaching her. 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:13.840 He seems happy with her performance. She gets out. 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:16.440 He hands her a towel and goes cover yourself up, 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:19.080 like he's shirtless, but he's like, okay, here, cover yourself up. 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:22.560 So an older guy goes nice swimsuit. It's literally just 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:24.720 a plane one piece, but she does have a very 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:26.840 hot bod, so this already feels like it's heading in 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:29.840 an SVU direction. And he asks her name, and it's 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:32.520 Martina Rodriguez. She's the little sister of the guy who 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:33.680 was telling her to cover up. 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:35.000 His name is Diego. 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:39.280 The older man makes a comment about Diego bolting bulking up, 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:41.760 and he goes, yeah, I'm taking jiu jitsu, and then 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:43.920 the older guy turns the combo back to the cysts 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:46.240 and he's like, yeah, I haven't seen your times yet, 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:48.119 but you look like a real fish in that pool. 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:50.359 So you're already getting like lecherous vibes, like why are 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:53.159 you talking like that, and like, I don't know, it's creepy. 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:56.119 So this character's name is Paul Greco and he's played 0:19:56.119 --> 0:20:00.880 by James Carpinello, who is also in the episode, which, 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:03.560 if you will remember, is the Drea de Matteo episode 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:07.679 where her son is getting bullied or he gets like 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:10.560 maybe murdered, and then she's like, oh, it's his school 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:12.679 bully that did it. And then this guy plays the 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:15.200 uncle who's like training the school bully to fight. This 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:17.080 is not what I'm as familiar with I'm sure we'll 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:20.960 do it someday, Drea call us. Anyway, a guy named 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:23.840 Ronnie shows up and he's like, all right, everybody gather around, 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:27.800 we're doing CPR. All these wannabe lifeguards gather around. Greco's like, 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:30.360 have you seen the CPR dummy? I can't find it 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:32.600 and he's like no. So he's like, I'm gonna need 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:36.359 a volunteer. Oh who does he pick? Hot, young, wet Martina. 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:40.240 The little sister has her like get down on the ground. 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:42.679 The brother looks a little bit concerned, but the CPR 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:45.040 lesson seems pretty normal, Like we don't see him touch 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:46.800 her body or anything, but she's like lying on the 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:49.399 ground and there's plenty of people around. So in the 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:52.320 next scene, Greco walks into his office and tells Ronnie 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:55.400 to call Rodriguez, his sister in Ronnie gets up from 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:58.639 truly the first desktop computer ever invented, it's like a 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:02.800 nineteen eighty eight apps and he goes to go get her. 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:06.080 Martina shows up. We know the drill. He goes close 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:08.960 the door and then he tells her she did great 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:11.680 with CPR, but her times were not quite there. She's 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:14.520 on the bubble and she's like devastated, like I'm not 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:16.359 going to qualify. He's like, relax, I'm gonna let you 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:18.360 do it again. But who's been training you? And she's 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:20.959 like my brother, and he's like, well, that's the problem. 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:23.680 He's going too easy on you. So then he sits down, 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:26.359 gets right at like a vagina level with her, and 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:29.600 starts moving her hips while she does like strokes in 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:31.840 the air, and he's like, see, you're too flat in 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:33.840 the water. You got to really move your hips. So 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:38.440 she doesn't seem bothered by it, but as SVU watchers 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:40.359 were like, oh God, what the fuck is gonna happen? 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:44.359 Cut to Martina walking out of the office looking. 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:47.680 Upset, and her brother's like, what were you doing in there? 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:50.720 And she goes Greco wanted to go over my scores, 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:52.680 and then Diego sees Greco come out onto the pool 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:56.480 deck immediately rushes him, knocks him down, starts punching at him, 0:21:56.720 --> 0:21:58.000 and he's like, if I see you near her again, 0:21:58.040 --> 0:21:58.840 I'll kill you, bro. 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:03.760 So that's dramatic because she didn't. She had like tears 0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:04.640 in her eyes. 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:06.960 Which I don't know because he said he was gonna 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:08.399 help her, so I don't really know why she's crying. 0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:11.679 But at their house over dinner, Diego is pounding beers 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:13.880 and his sister is like, what is your deal, bro, 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:16.760 She's like, nothing happened, Like he was just trying to 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:18.760 help me pass and now he probably won't after you 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:21.359 attacked his ass. And then the mom gets home and 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:24.959 she's like pissed that he's drinking. They argue, he walks out. 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:28.439 So now we're at the precinct and Finn is asking 0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:30.399 Rollin's like, what are your plans for the night, and 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:32.560 she's like, I'm gonna go put the girls down and 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:34.720 then eat my feelings on the couch and wait for 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:35.800 for Coreesi to come over. 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:37.560 It's like okay. 0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:40.680 Finn's like, you guys don't live together yet, and she goes, 0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:43.320 he has a drawer, and keep in mind, they get 0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:46.760 married four episodes from now. He has a drawer in 0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:50.119 this episode and they are not living together. So but 0:22:50.240 --> 0:22:54.000 you know he's Catholic. So Finn says it seems like 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:56.320 a waste of gas, and then he gives Rolins a 0:22:56.320 --> 0:22:59.480 little gift and it's like, I can't tell if it's 0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:01.240 just a charm, if it's like a little key chain, 0:23:01.280 --> 0:23:04.159 but it's a bullet, and Rollins is like a bullet 0:23:04.200 --> 0:23:05.960 and he's like, it's the same caliber of the one 0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:08.240 that you got shot with. And she got shot in 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:10.760 the first episode of the season, and that's when she 0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:13.679 has like the breakdown with Live about being too loose 0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:16.280 with her life because of her kids, and then they're 0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:17.280 sort of teeing her up to. 0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:17.840 Leave us for you. 0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:21.040 So anyway, Finn's like, you got to own your trauma 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:23.960 or your trauma will own you. And it's like put 0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:27.640 it on a decorative piece of driftwood. Baby, He's so good, 0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:31.320 he's so quotable. Live shows up and it's like, hey, 0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:33.080 we got a call from the one one. You guys 0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:35.200 want to take it. And then Finn tells Rolins like 0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:37.560 you had out, I'll get it, and Rollins is like, nah, 0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:38.760 I'm in, but I'm driving. 0:23:38.800 --> 0:23:39.040 I guess. 0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:40.840 She's like, I'd rather solve crimes than go eat my 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:44.320 feelings and watch like a UFC fight, which is probably 0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:48.600 what she's doing. The UNI when they get there, explains 0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:51.639 that they picked up Diego drunk and starting fights, saying 0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:54.760 something about a run in with his sister, and it's like, 0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:58.080 you guys called sbu based on that, like what happened? 0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:00.760 Like what did he say that make you like have 0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:02.720 to call his view? It seems like a weak connection. 0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:06.080 But fine, Diego's in a holding cell. He's wasted. 0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:08.920 He's saying, how his when his dad was dying, he 0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:11.199 promised he'd take care of his sister and protect her, 0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:14.720 and they're like protector from who? And he's like Paul Greco, 0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:18.320 the head of the lifeguards. And Finn's like, so, did 0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:22.119 he rape your sister? And he goes, no, he raped me. 0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:27.320 Twist credits. Oh y'all wanted a twist there. It is 0:24:27.960 --> 0:24:31.640 so at the precinct, Rollin's and Finn tell Diego that 0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:35.840 his arrest was voided. That's powerful of them. They got 0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:37.840 him food. I guess he was just dry. It was 0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:40.800 just like drunken, disorderly, but they got him food. They 0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:42.360 want to talk to him and they're like, you told 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:44.600 us your this is the next morning, by the way, 0:24:44.640 --> 0:24:46.800 Like he's sobered up at this point, you told us 0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:49.080 your boss sexually assaulted you. And he's like, no, no, no, 0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:52.280 I was wasted. He's going after my sister. And then 0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:53.800 he tells them the whole story about the pool the 0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:56.919 day before and he's like, she doesn't see Greco for 0:24:56.960 --> 0:24:58.960 who he really is. And so then we see Martina 0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:00.840 show up outside the rooms. I mean, where's my brother? 0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:04.400 Everybody blows into Spu, going where's my wife? Where's my brother? 0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:07.199 Like there again, no receptionist, no one's doing crowd control, 0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:09.920 and he's yelling, I told you not to come here, 0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:12.960 and he's like, just tell her. I'm all right, everything's good, 0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:15.920 and so Rollins goes to take care of Martina and 0:25:15.960 --> 0:25:17.880 Finn's trying to have a one on one with Diego, 0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:20.359 like about what's happening. He's still denying it, but then 0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:23.800 he's like he opens up to Finn because how could 0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:26.359 you not? And he's like, I heard lifeguards make a 0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:28.600 ton I needed money for college. 0:25:28.720 --> 0:25:29.160 I apply. 0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:33.639 Greco brings me to his office, says I don't qualify. Meanwhile, 0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:36.399 we're talking to the sister and Rollins. She's like, I 0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:39.000 left his office in tears because I didn't qualify, and 0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:41.639 then my brother went into roid rage and she doesn't 0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:43.000 even get why her brother is there. 0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:45.119 Back to Diego he goes. One day. 0:25:45.160 --> 0:25:47.200 Greco tells me that he only gave me the job 0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:50.480 because of my and he doesn't finish. But Finn's like, 0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:53.760 knows what he's talking about, and he's like, that's before 0:25:53.800 --> 0:25:56.200 I learned how to fight. That's clearly like why he's 0:25:56.200 --> 0:25:59.240 taking jiu jitsu. And he says Greco forced him on 0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:01.719 the desk, faced down, and he quote did it to me, 0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:04.480 is what he says. So after that he cleaned up. 0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:07.919 He got all the posts and overtime that he wanted 0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:12.360 and he never tried anything again. And Diego never told anybody, 0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:14.120 and he's like, well, you didn't want to warn your sister, 0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:16.280 and he's like, I thought he was only into guys. 0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:18.520 Now the gang is giving Captain Live the download on 0:26:18.600 --> 0:26:20.720 Chief Greco. He works for the Lifeguard Division of Parks 0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:23.080 and rec for Bronx County. He oversees the pools and 0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:25.000 some of the beaches in the Bronx for the last 0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:27.680 ten years. He's got no priors in the system. And 0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:30.240 this job pays a lot for teens and young twenty somethings. 0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:33.399 As Lisa was bringing up before, plenty of overtime. You 0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:35.159 get paid a lot to sit on the beach and 0:26:35.200 --> 0:26:37.400 Live goes, sign me up. And we know this bitch 0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:41.480 loves the Bahamas. So Alasco and Monsey are there as well. 0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:44.480 If you're not. Some people don't listen to our podcast 0:26:44.560 --> 0:26:46.080 that don't watch past season twelve. 0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:49.640 So Velasco is the new cast member who's. 0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:51.359 In the picture at the beginning during the credits, and 0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:55.200 he's kind of like a I think he's like Danny Zuko, 0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:58.560 kind of like a modern like John Travolta from Greece. 0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:00.520 And then Munsey is this. 0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:04.399 Boy got shot tomboy name who's like, she's still a 0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:06.840 special guest star. She she doesn't ever make it to 0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:10.040 full time regular spoiler alert, she doesn't. She leaves at 0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:12.560 the end of the season. This is who they were 0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:15.439 trying to replace Rollins with and it didn't work because 0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:18.159 they just thought they could replace one hottie with another. 0:27:18.200 --> 0:27:20.920 But I think that Kelly Giddish does a lot more 0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:22.399 than Dick Wolf gives her credit for. 0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:26.200 So or maybe I also wish that cat to Mean 0:27:26.440 --> 0:27:29.080 and what was the name Barnes had another season, Like, 0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:32.720 I think kicking them out so quick was a mistake, huge, 0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:38.720 especially just like a random tomboy. I just it was 0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:42.000 uncomfortable both of them. It's uncomfortable to watch their like 0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:46.360 accent work. It's really uncomfortable. I don't believe it. Yeah, yeah, 0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:48.560 I don't believe it. They're cops, Like she's. 0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:49.880 A cap cat. 0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:52.400 You want to go check it out, Like yeah, it's 0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:54.280 like they're they both have Like she's. 0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:57.960 Wearing like a platform sneaker too, like she's just crub. 0:27:58.080 --> 0:27:58.439 I don't know. 0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:00.080 Well, there is a part of the season, and I 0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:01.800 don't know if it's before this episode or after this 0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:04.320 episode where live goes go get some other clothes, like 0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:06.919 you dress like a ragamuffin, like you need to be 0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:08.879 in like a smart blazer and slacks like I've been 0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:14.800 since nineteen ninety nine. So anyway, months he's there, She's 0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:18.080 like I looked into it. Everybody says Greco's friendly smart 0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:21.000 single has a rap as a player, but nothing about 0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:23.879 like assault or anything like what Diego is suggesting. So 0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:26.680 Diego and Martina, she says, are good kids are from 0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:30.200 the project straight A's Diego had a big stress reaction 0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:32.040 when he confessed to Finn, so they don't think he 0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:34.440 has a reason to lie, Like that would be a 0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:37.000 really wild thing to just create and make up. But 0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:40.200 there's no outcry witness, there's no rape kit. Monthsy's like 0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:42.920 do we keep digging, and Velasko's like, it's kind of 0:28:42.920 --> 0:28:45.240 a risk if Greco finds out we're on to him, 0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:47.160 and it's like, yeah, we don't want to tangle with the. 0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:48.760 Most powerful lifeguard in New. 0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:52.200 York, right, So Live's like, okay, let's go right to 0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:53.480 him and see if he blinks. 0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:55.920 This is the strategy. 0:28:56.760 --> 0:28:59.440 At the pool, Live and Finn are talking to Greco 0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:02.640 and he's like incredulous about Diego's accusation and they're like. 0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:04.320 So you didn't do it, and he's like, of course not. 0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:07.600 He didn't report the physical assault from the day before, 0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:09.560 because he's like, I like the kid last year, he 0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:11.520 was all sweet. This year he's all jacked up and 0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:13.720 wants to start fights. I wouldn't be surprised if he's 0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:17.040 on steroids or something. Finn's like, those muscles are armor, 0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:20.800 and Greco's like, Alma, for what end? The Finn goes, 0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:23.920 you tell me, So he tells them nothing happened with Martina, 0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:26.120 And you can ask my second in command, Ronnie Volpi. 0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:28.400 He's on duty at the beach right now with Diego 0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:30.200 and they're like, you let him come to work, and 0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:32.520 he's like, look, I care about him. I'm short staffed, 0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:34.960 and they're like, but if I assaulted him, he goes, 0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:37.080 why would I come? Why would he come to work? 0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:39.680 And he's like, I've never had any sexual contact with 0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:41.120 Diego of any kind. 0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:42.360 So now we're at the beach. 0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:45.200 Munsey and Velasco are talking to Ronnie and he's saying 0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:47.360 he had to pull Diego off Greco at this fight 0:29:47.480 --> 0:29:49.960 and that something's happened since last year because Diego is 0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:52.640 like a different person. And he says, but nothing happened 0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:55.040 with the little sister. And he goes, so, what happened 0:29:55.080 --> 0:29:57.400 when he showed up for work today? And he goes, well, 0:29:57.400 --> 0:29:59.360 he looked like shit, and he's I could smell the 0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:01.640 booze on him. So he's out there swimming laps between 0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:04.960 the buoys and he says, it's Pinsky's rules anytime someone 0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:08.520 shows up hungover, So put a pin in Pinski. You're 0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:10.760 gonna get back to who he is. So Munsey and 0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:16.120 Velasco start taking the world's weirdest walk towards the other lifeguard. 0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:19.200 They're just walking on the shoreline in jeans. They're getting 0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:21.920 weirdly close to the water. They can't get their footing 0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:23.840 because they're trying to do a smooth walk and talk 0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:27.320 on sand. It's hilarious, and spew detectives just look weird 0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:29.040 on the beach. That's like, we haven't seen it a lot, 0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:32.480 and it's weird. But Munsey's like, say what you will 0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:34.760 about Benson. At least she doesn't make us swim laps. 0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:36.840 And then they finally get to the end of this 0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:39.480 awkward sandwalk and they get to Pinsky, who I guess 0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:42.680 is the head lifeguard for that beach. He's toirling his whistle. 0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:45.800 He looks like a total douche. Velasko's like, are you 0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:48.400 sure Diego's okay out there? And at that exact moment, 0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:51.440 like we've seen Diego start struggling in the water throwing 0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:54.520 his hands up, Pinsky starts blowing his whistle and calling 0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:56.560 Diego's name, and Velasko's. 0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:58.040 Like, are you going to go in there and do something? 0:30:58.080 --> 0:31:00.720 You're a lifeguard and the guy goes give it a minute, 0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:03.800 and that's not something I don't think a lifeguard should 0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:04.280 really say. 0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:07.480 So Velasco takes let's. 0:31:07.320 --> 0:31:09.680 Just see how it pans out. Let's just see this. 0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:10.840 Could go a couple of ways. 0:31:11.120 --> 0:31:14.360 Uh, so Velasco takes off his leather and his shoes 0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:16.800 and starts booking it into the water in full denim. 0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:17.920 This did remind me. 0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:20.400 I did delete TikTok off my phone, but for a 0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:24.920 while I was getting shown it was like people trying 0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:28.080 to take photos near the ocean where they shouldn't, and 0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:31.840 then the water kind of like snatching them, or like 0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:34.120 someone jumping in thinking they're gonna have fun, and then 0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:35.880 all of a sudden they're in like a current in 0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:39.800 the rocks, and I'm like, why is my phone showing 0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:42.160 me horrors that I didn't think of yet, you know, 0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:46.160 But it's just like people trying to take cool photos 0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:48.440 and do full jumps and then the ocean's like, go 0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:51.280 fuck yourself. Yeah, And then I learned don't turn your 0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:54.040 back on the ocean. I guess that's like a big saying. 0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:56.760 I didn't know, like cause you can't see the waves, 0:31:56.760 --> 0:31:58.520 so people like turn around to take a selfie and 0:31:58.560 --> 0:31:59.880 then they get knocked down and drag. 0:32:00.560 --> 0:32:01.200 Yeah. 0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:04.240 Well, because I also started sending there's like a boat 0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:08.320 that goes from Argentina to Antarctica, and I started sending 0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:10.280 it to our friend Julia, and she goes That's when 0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:12.360 I knew you really hit TikTok because everyone's been talking 0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:15.360 about Antarctica for about a year and I had just 0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:18.960 and I had just gotten a part of the boa. 0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:25.880 I'm like, should we do this when we're older? And songins? 0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:28.479 But the boat is crazy, Like I've told you about this. 0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:31.720 It's like a two day journey, but like sometimes the 0:32:31.800 --> 0:32:34.920 waves are like thirty feet engulf everything, and so people 0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:37.600 get really sick on this journey. 0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:40.680 But then you do see the penguins. I don't think it. 0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:43.520 I don't think what if you just take drama means 0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:46.480 xanax and pass out for two days? Yeah maybe yeah, 0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:51.080 drug me up and then you wake up just with 0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:51.680 a penguin. 0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:53.760 Yeah, could happen. 0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:58.719 Sure, I'm sorry I interrupted with that, but it's just 0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:00.480 it seems like probably a. 0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:03.160 Lot of money for a cold vacation, you know. I 0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:05.520 like to pour my money into hot vacations. So I 0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:08.320 don't know, but let's. 0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:09.160 Stand much about it. 0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:11.160 It's more of an adventure than a vacation. 0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:14.120 Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely a life experience. 0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:15.440 It's something I would do in my fifties. 0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:17.680 I'm sure that's what I mean, Like, yeah, I don't 0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:19.960 need to do it, like first, I'd like to go 0:33:20.000 --> 0:33:20.880 to the sey Shells. 0:33:20.920 --> 0:33:24.000 You know, I have other purls, the. 0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:26.920 Say shells, Bali something. What's the other one? 0:33:26.920 --> 0:33:29.520 Where's the one where I owe them mal Daves the Maldives. 0:33:29.600 --> 0:33:31.080 Yep, that's what I was thinking of. You got it. 0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:35.520 So the other lifeguard, Frankie, starts running into the water 0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:38.600 with his baywatch booye to help, and fucking Pinsky's still 0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:43.120 standing there doing absolutely nothing. People are like yelling, Diego, Diego, Diego. 0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:47.200 The music intensifies. Oh not good news. Top of that, 0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:50.920 two Diego is unconscious on a stretcher and the paramedics 0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:53.240 are taking him off the beach, and Velesko's like you 0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:55.160 could he's got a chimps And months he's like, dude, 0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:57.520 they just did CPR on him for thirty minutes, Like 0:33:58.480 --> 0:33:59.960 you know, it's like they've probably got his heart beat 0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:02.960 back going, but like your brain can't survive that much 0:34:03.080 --> 0:34:06.040 like unconsciousness. I feel maybe I'm not I mean, I'm 0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:08.960 not a doctor, but it's not looking good. Velasco's like 0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:11.279 I just watched a kid drown. And months he's like, 0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:13.720 you didn't that lazy scumbag did. And then the camera 0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:17.200 whips over to Pinske, who's talking to another cop making excuses. 0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:18.319 He's like, I. 0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:20.279 Observed a rip current and I feared for my life 0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:22.560 and safety, and then Velasko gives him a dirty look. 0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:25.160 So now we're at the precinct. Finn gets the call. 0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:29.040 Diego did not make it, so this is tragic, and 0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:32.200 Finn and Live and Rollins all agreed that Diego was 0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:34.680 being taught a lesson and it wasn't about being hungover. 0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:37.400 Finn thinks that means that the allegation is credible, but 0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:39.040 how can we make it stick now that, like our 0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:41.759 only witness is dead, And they're like, well, there's no 0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:44.120 way that this guy's only struck once. He's a predator. 0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:45.600 He's been in this job for ten years. We got 0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:48.399 to find the other victims. So at the Rodriguez house, 0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:51.120 the mother is like tearfully telling them about how much. 0:34:50.960 --> 0:34:53.320 Sad I didn't want him to die. 0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:54.680 I know, I know. 0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:56.440 I thought they could at least like have him in 0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:57.880 a coma for most of the episode and then he 0:34:57.920 --> 0:34:58.719 wakes up at the end. 0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:00.719 I don't know, but you know, we have. 0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:04.000 To have steaks, so they wouldn't have kept looking into 0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:07.160 it if this hadn't happened. So at the Rodriguez house, 0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:10.560 the mom is like tearfully telling Finn and Rollins how 0:35:10.600 --> 0:35:13.440 much Diego loved swimming that had healed him after his 0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:16.520 father died. Martina tells her mom go lie down so 0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:18.239 she can talk to the cops, and she tells Finn 0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:20.319 and Rollins, I drove Diego to work this morning, and 0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:22.479 he confessed the whole assault to me, but he didn't 0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:27.000 want our mom to ever know. And they're like, okay, well, like, 0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:29.760 you know, Greco offering to help you with your time 0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:32.200 and stuff that's called grooming. Is there anyone else you 0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:34.960 might know who he could have done that to? And 0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:37.440 she goes, I think I might know someone. So now 0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:40.320 they're at the apartment of Daniella Cruz. She's very pretty 0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:44.719 with thick bangs, and she heard about Diego. She's like, 0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:46.600 I know him from the neighborhood. He was my first 0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:48.480 love and I was his first love. And she's like, 0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:51.600 and I guess his last dark She immediately knows that 0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:54.400 they're there about Paul Greco and they're like, oh, so 0:35:54.560 --> 0:35:56.319 did he mention his attack? And she's like, what are 0:35:56.360 --> 0:35:58.879 you talking about? They were so close he saw him 0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:00.799 like a father figure. And they're like, well, then, why 0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:03.439 did you know we were here about Greco And she's like, oh, 0:36:03.560 --> 0:36:07.440 because Greco raped me and she never told Diego, but 0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:10.239 she suspected he knew about it. She wanted to be 0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:12.839 held at that time, but Diego wouldn't even touch her, 0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:15.160 and that's why she broke up with him. And she 0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:17.319 thought he was just being loyal to Greco. But months 0:36:17.320 --> 0:36:19.839 he's like, it's actually more likely that the same thing 0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:22.360 happened to him, and that's why he was unable to 0:36:22.400 --> 0:36:22.880 comfort you. 0:36:23.400 --> 0:36:26.200 And Danielle was like, I thought Greco was just into girls. 0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:29.279 So this guy's a bisexual offender and that's probably what's 0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:31.560 making him harder to catch. 0:36:31.640 --> 0:36:32.400 I guess, I don't know. 0:36:33.040 --> 0:36:36.080 She explains how Diego pulled strings and got her an interview. 0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:39.120 When she got laid off, he had to qualify her privately, 0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:41.799 took her into the office and pinned her down. She's like, 0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:44.040 I had no business being a lifeguard anyway. I can 0:36:44.080 --> 0:36:46.279 barely swim. I don't even know why you show up 0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:48.960 and try to qualify. But she says she reported it 0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:51.279 to the precinct and the Bronx and they're like did 0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:52.000 you do a rape kid? 0:36:52.080 --> 0:36:53.840 She goes, yeah, but they never called me back. 0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:58.040 And so at the pool, Greko is caressing the flip 0:36:58.040 --> 0:37:00.000 flopped foot of what looks like a fifteen year old 0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:03.520 girl as Live and Finn show up, and Finn goes 0:37:03.600 --> 0:37:07.080 pools clothes and Live arrests Greco for Danielle's rape. 0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:09.799 He has no idea who that even is, and Live goes, well, 0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:10.440 she knows you. 0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:14.400 So then we open up with Greco in court, still 0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:17.120 in his little lifeguarding jacket, which has to be kind 0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:20.480 of embarrassing to stand in court with your lawyer just 0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:23.800 like wearing a little zip up lifeguard jacket and his lawyer. 0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:25.600 I had to do like a double take because his 0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:29.640 lawyer is named Sandy Braun and he's played by Jason Kravitz, 0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:32.600 and he's giving me Michael Kostroff vibes, and then I 0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:35.600 type that in. Right after I type that into my notes, 0:37:35.680 --> 0:37:38.400 I scrolled down in the SVU wiki and saw that 0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:41.320 there was a trivia item that says it is possible 0:37:41.360 --> 0:37:44.800 he's related to Evan Brawn, who is Michael Kostroff's character, 0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:47.719 due to them sharing the same surname and job as 0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:51.239 well as both looking similar in appearance, so you know, 0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:54.120 interesting could be brothers, Sandy Braun. 0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:57.160 This character also defended the kid in the. 0:37:57.120 --> 0:37:59.600 Ballad of Dwighton Arena, the guy who kills his mom's 0:37:59.600 --> 0:38:02.960 abuse boyfriend by like putting a hair dryer in the 0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:06.799 tub or something. It's the Ricky Lindholme episode, so he's 0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:10.440 been in an episode before. Caresy requests seventy five thousand 0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:12.800 dollars bail as this man has the means to flee, 0:38:13.000 --> 0:38:16.360 and Sandy argues he's a respected civil servant with no record. 0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:20.080 The judge goes for it and grants roar Cariesy and 0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:23.520 Benson are doing what I'm calling a chit chat and chill. 0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:25.799 It's an alt for walking talk. I'm just testing it out, 0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:29.279 and everyone wants this case settled. This doesn't look good 0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:32.200 for the city to have the most powerful lifeguard in 0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:36.400 New York on trial and mcgrathizon lives ass about it, 0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:36.960 et cetera, etc. 0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:38.400 It's like one of these ones. They just want to 0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:39.319 get it kind of wrapped up. 0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:43.840 They get interrupted mid convo by Assemblywoman Diane Garcia. She 0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:45.960 wants to put in a good word for Greco. This 0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:49.520 is how powerful this lifeguard is he's got politicians on 0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:50.200 his side. 0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:51.080 He's a good guy. 0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:53.080 And she says, so, there's definitely no way he's a 0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:55.960 sexual predator. That's just how the real world works, you know, 0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:58.080 and she goes, I just think you should think about 0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:00.719 it before you ruin a respected city officials reputation and 0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:03.080 put the city in danger of civil litigation. And then 0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:05.719 she just kind of like stalks off, and it's like, 0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:09.400 on this show alone, there have been so many civil 0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:12.760 servants arrested, like nobody is innocent because of government. 0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:16.520 By this point, there was a whole sex ring of 0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:20.560 judges and legislators that were carried on the courtroom steps 0:39:21.400 --> 0:39:22.560 like what. 0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:26.560 Yeah, Like remember Paget Brewster, she was fully involved in 0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:32.000 a section, Yeah, in a prostitution ring. So anyway, Coreesi 0:39:32.080 --> 0:39:35.120 explains that this woman who's just gone to bat for 0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:39.319 the lifeguard oversees judge appointments, bail reform, court procedure, and 0:39:39.360 --> 0:39:44.000 the DA's budget, so she's important. And then they go, 0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:46.560 how much you want to bet Greco's a campaign contributor. 0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:49.719 He's a lifeguard. I don't understand how important he can be. 0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:52.000 How much can he be contributing to a political camp. 0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:55.080 That's where you lost me, like most powerful lifeguard. 0:39:55.080 --> 0:39:55.480 I was there. 0:39:55.520 --> 0:39:57.280 I was there. And then it's like he's a major 0:39:57.360 --> 0:39:58.840 donor what. 0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:02.239 Like, and they keep talking about his political clout throughout 0:40:02.239 --> 0:40:04.640 the episode, and I'm like, as a lifeguard, I mean, 0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:07.480 I know he's the head lifeguard, but it's it's it's wild. 0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:10.840 So liv says Danielle's rape kit came back and boom, 0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:11.640 it's a match. 0:40:11.840 --> 0:40:12.520 And guess what. 0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:15.000 The Bronx sview has not been helpful. They don't do 0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:19.000 anything by the book, especially their SVU. At this point, 0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:21.719 I don't even know if we've met Kevin Kaine's character 0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:25.399 yet because he's Bronx SPU. But maybe they're maybe they're 0:40:25.440 --> 0:40:27.680 teasing it, like how they're going to start interacting more 0:40:27.719 --> 0:40:31.840 because I know in past episodes, I believe Annabella Siora, 0:40:31.920 --> 0:40:34.320 the actress, is the head of the Bronx SVU. 0:40:34.760 --> 0:40:37.240 But and they you know, butt heads or whatever. 0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:41.000 But it's wild because I guess his DNA wouldn't be 0:40:41.000 --> 0:40:43.200 in the system as a civil servant, just his fingerprints. 0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:44.919 So yeah, I was wondering why they wouldn't have matched 0:40:44.920 --> 0:40:47.960 the rape kit, but it wouldn't have been DNA so ran. 0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:49.920 They probably didn't want to. There's been tons of more 0:40:49.960 --> 0:40:51.960 shady shit with the Bronx there, you know. 0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:54.360 Yeah, because also she would have given his name. She 0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:55.640 knows who he is. It wasn't like it was a 0:40:55.680 --> 0:40:57.040 random stranger attack. 0:40:57.000 --> 0:40:59.320 Because there was that case where there's all these underwear 0:40:59.480 --> 0:41:03.919 on clothing lines, like that's the gang, that's the gang. 0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:06.560 And then it was wasn't it the DNA stuff like 0:41:06.600 --> 0:41:09.680 going into rate victims. DNA wasn't out the Bronx with 0:41:09.840 --> 0:41:13.800 orphae with orphe is she bronx or is she Queen's 0:41:14.000 --> 0:41:15.160 I think she's queens? 0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:18.680 Yeah, but you know, everybody besides Manhattan SVU has gone 0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:23.080 bottom line. So at the grand jury hearing, it's five 0:41:23.120 --> 0:41:26.520 minutes till it starts, and uh oh, the classic SVU trope. 0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:28.640 The witness is nowhere to be found. Daniella has not 0:41:28.680 --> 0:41:29.160 shown up. 0:41:29.480 --> 0:41:32.120 Rollins calls it, calls her phone, it goes right to 0:41:32.160 --> 0:41:33.280 a beep, no voicemail. 0:41:33.480 --> 0:41:36.040 You don't see that a lot. But she she goes, 0:41:36.120 --> 0:41:38.080 I'll send Muncy and Malasko over to check on her. 0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:39.560 At Danielle's apartment. 0:41:39.719 --> 0:41:42.040 She's like, sorry, I didn't tell anyone, but I'm out, 0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:45.279 I can't testify my father's on parole. Greco must have 0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:47.600 gotten to his po because he threatened to have my 0:41:47.680 --> 0:41:51.040 father violated, Like I don't think that means violated, like attacked. 0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:53.360 I think it means like that have him like framed 0:41:53.360 --> 0:41:54.720 for violating his parole. 0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:58.160 And it's like this guy has ends with parole officers, 0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:00.200 he's a lifeguard. 0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:00.839 I don't get it. 0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:03.080 We can all, we can get this all strained out, 0:42:03.080 --> 0:42:04.839 they tell her, and she's like, look, I can't risk 0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:07.080 my dad going back to Rikers like sorry, no go, 0:42:07.640 --> 0:42:10.160 and Belasco goes for the heart strings about Diego dying 0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:12.120 in his arms, and she's like, I hate Greco, but 0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:14.040 Diego's dead. Nothing will bring him back. I have to 0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:17.040 protect my dad. Slams the door in their faces. So 0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:20.880 at court, Greco walks in with his smarmy lawyer to 0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:23.400 meet with Careesi and Benson and he's like, heard, you 0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:26.720 lost your only witness and they're like, yeah, your client 0:42:26.800 --> 0:42:28.480 used political clout to threaten her. 0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:30.960 Greco's like, what are you talking about. 0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:32.880 They're like, you want us to open a witness tampering 0:42:32.920 --> 0:42:36.200 case because we're also looking into Diego's death and Greco 0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:38.759 stops his lawyer from talking and goes, I am devastated 0:42:38.800 --> 0:42:41.319 by Diego's death. Any drowning is a tragedy, but a 0:42:41.320 --> 0:42:44.000 lifeguard that's a supervisor's worst nightmare. 0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:48.640 And Benson's like. Benson's like, but a nineteen year old is. 0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:51.200 Dead because of your sorry ass, and he denies giving 0:42:51.239 --> 0:42:53.840 that order, and Greco says, I'm not the monster you 0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:56.200 think I am. I've devoted my career to saving lives, 0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:58.960 not destroying them, and Live goes men like you become 0:42:59.040 --> 0:43:01.200 so good at lying, even start believing the ones they 0:43:01.239 --> 0:43:04.279 tell themselves. And then there's a stare down between a 0:43:04.320 --> 0:43:07.560 captain of a police squad and a head lifeguard and 0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:11.239 he walks off and lives like, we cannot let this 0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:13.919 guy back on the job. But now the rape cases out, 0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:17.239 what are we going to do? And then they're kind 0:43:17.280 --> 0:43:21.799 of spitballing. Creasy's like, if Greco knowingly hired underqualified lifeguards 0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:24.320 in exchange for sex, we might have a manslaughter case. 0:43:24.760 --> 0:43:26.880 So let's find out how many drownings happened at that 0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:30.680 beach with lifeguards that Greco qualified. So in the next scene, 0:43:30.840 --> 0:43:32.920 Rollins is standing next to a huge smart board with 0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:35.200 let me tell you quite a few people have drowned 0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:39.000 at this beach. It's nine people. Diego makes the tenth. 0:43:39.040 --> 0:43:42.640 All of them drowned at Jonas Bronc Beach. Who Jonas 0:43:42.640 --> 0:43:44.959 Bronc is who the Bronx are named after. I didn't 0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:47.360 know that. It's like an old historical figure that the 0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:50.560 Bronx are named after. But this is not a real beach. 0:43:50.640 --> 0:43:53.239 And the sleuths on Twitter noticed that you can see 0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:55.799 the Verrizanto Bridge in the background, plus a bunch of 0:43:55.800 --> 0:43:58.080 other clues, and so this was actually filmed at Midland 0:43:58.080 --> 0:44:01.120 Beach on Staten Island, New Yorker. And you're interested in 0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:04.840 this kind of trivia anyway, All nine of these people 0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:08.279 drowned while lifeguards that Greco qualified were working. They all 0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:12.160 had no risk factors like no drugs, no intoxication, so 0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:14.520 that's not good. I don't know what the time period is, 0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:16.799 but he's been there ten years, so it's at least 0:44:16.800 --> 0:44:19.239 in the last ten years. There are also headshots of 0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:21.760 lifeguards on the board. One is Diego, one is Greco, 0:44:21.840 --> 0:44:23.960 one is Frankie, one is Pinsky, who we've met, and 0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:26.520 then there's three others who have all lawyered up and 0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:30.200 they're all loyal to Greco, So they're like, what about Frankie, 0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:32.040 the guy who takes the times, Maybe he faked some 0:44:32.080 --> 0:44:34.080 of them. If grec Go's up for manslaughter, why don't 0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:35.880 we let this kid know that if he's helped and 0:44:35.880 --> 0:44:37.319 he's an accomplice. 0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:37.759 That he's fucked to. 0:44:38.360 --> 0:44:41.040 So now we're in interrogation and it's cement bars, so 0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:43.359 they're not fucking around with these lifeguards. They're laying out 0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:46.799 photos of the drowning victims and Frankie is like manslaughter, 0:44:46.960 --> 0:44:50.320 like he's panicking. He's like, I tried to help Diego, 0:44:50.440 --> 0:44:52.239 Like he thinks he's in there because they're going to 0:44:52.320 --> 0:44:54.840 charge you for manslaughter for not rescuing Diego. But Velasko 0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:56.640 and Finn are like no, no, no, no no. This is 0:44:56.680 --> 0:45:00.279 about the lifeguards and Greco fixing their scores, Like what 0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:02.680 about Pinske, you took his timing? Did Greco have you 0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:05.319 fix his score? And Frankie's like, look, I came in 0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:07.360 to talk to you guys because I feel sick about Diego, 0:45:07.400 --> 0:45:09.239 but maybe I need to get a lawyer, and they 0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:11.399 do the whole thing where they're like, okay, you get 0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:13.800 a lawyer, we can't help you. And he's like, dudes, 0:45:13.840 --> 0:45:15.799 I took this job for the college money and to 0:45:15.880 --> 0:45:18.360 meet babes. I am not an accomplice to shit. And 0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:21.359 he says Greco changed the scores. He goes, I didn't 0:45:21.400 --> 0:45:24.279 notice it at first, but he'd write down. I'd write 0:45:24.280 --> 0:45:25.879 down the scores, and then when I went to put 0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:27.759 them in the system, I saw that they'd change by 0:45:27.800 --> 0:45:29.719 a few seconds here and there. So I started taking 0:45:29.760 --> 0:45:32.400 pictures of them on my iPhone. And he didn't report 0:45:32.440 --> 0:45:35.880 it because he likes his job. So then caress like 0:45:35.960 --> 0:45:38.480 if he knowingly hired lifeguards for sexual favors and those 0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:42.280 lifeguards resulted in drownings, that's depraved in difference to human life. 0:45:42.400 --> 0:45:45.680 That's murder too, and liv goes take him down, and 0:45:45.719 --> 0:45:47.160 there's a dramatic music. 0:45:46.920 --> 0:45:48.200 Sting, which we love. 0:45:48.440 --> 0:45:51.279 So when we come back from commercial Careese's questioning a 0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:54.040 witness named Anna Kallis. She's an investigator for the New 0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:57.600 York Department of Health. They investigate drownings at public beaches. 0:45:57.840 --> 0:46:00.520 She identified the ten victims whose photos are being shown 0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:04.080 to the courtroom as victims who have drowned during Greco's tenure. 0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:06.480 With a lifeguard attempt. All the lifeguards were qualified and 0:46:06.560 --> 0:46:09.120 hired by Greco. Then his lawyer was like, and all 0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:12.120 of these drowtings were ruled accidental, right, no lifeguard and competence, 0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:15.480 And she goes, yeah, but that's beyond my purview, and 0:46:15.880 --> 0:46:18.719 you know, he's like, no more questions, you know, like 0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:21.600 we kind of cut her off. So now they have 0:46:21.840 --> 0:46:24.440 the last most powerful lifeguard in New York City, a 0:46:24.440 --> 0:46:26.560 guy who served as the chief lifeguard for twenty five 0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:30.800 years before retiring, and he's evaluated thousands of rescue cases, 0:46:30.920 --> 0:46:34.640 most of them successful Caresi's going through some of the 0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:37.120 cases that were on Greco's watch, and he's like, like, 0:46:37.160 --> 0:46:39.080 how about this fourteen year old boy who drowned in 0:46:39.160 --> 0:46:41.839 calm flat water? And the guy said that never would 0:46:41.840 --> 0:46:44.040 have happened with a qualified lifeguard. I can't believe they're 0:46:44.080 --> 0:46:47.360 even like allowing this line of questioning because you can't 0:46:47.400 --> 0:46:48.520 really say what. 0:46:48.400 --> 0:46:50.400 Would or wouldn't happen with a different lifeguard. 0:46:50.480 --> 0:46:53.160 But I kind of I can't believe they're not objecting 0:46:53.760 --> 0:46:56.040 another case where the guard was on his phone, which 0:46:56.080 --> 0:46:59.440 slowed the rescue. He said, again would not have occurred 0:46:59.440 --> 0:47:02.680 with a qualify lifeguard as if all, no qualified lifeguard 0:47:02.719 --> 0:47:04.520 has ever looked at their phone to check a text. 0:47:04.960 --> 0:47:06.600 Another case where the lifeguard. 0:47:07.360 --> 0:47:09.200 You know, if you were a good lifeguard, you would 0:47:09.239 --> 0:47:10.240 not be checking your phone. 0:47:10.320 --> 0:47:11.120 No, you wouldn't. 0:47:11.320 --> 0:47:13.680 But it's just it's like to act like this is 0:47:13.719 --> 0:47:16.120 all part of a conspiracy, like these are teens in 0:47:16.200 --> 0:47:18.359 early twenties, Like I do think it's possible for there 0:47:18.400 --> 0:47:19.600 to be like human errors. 0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:21.560 You know, I think this guy's a piece of shit. 0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:22.279 Don't get me wrong. 0:47:22.520 --> 0:47:26.640 This lineup questioning is just as a lawyer myself, having 0:47:26.680 --> 0:47:32.840 graduated from SVU, I would be objecting. So there was 0:47:32.880 --> 0:47:35.200 another case where the lifeguard headed into the water and 0:47:35.200 --> 0:47:38.600 then turned around. And then they get the camera on Pinsky, 0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:41.160 who basically did that to Diego. And he's in the 0:47:41.160 --> 0:47:44.840 gallery and his face looks nervous, he looks a little puky. 0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:48.200 And now Frankie Volpi is on the stand. This is 0:47:48.280 --> 0:47:50.719 Greko's like right hand guy. He's on the stand talking 0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:52.960 about how he records the times. But he came to 0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:56.360 realize that Greko's sometimes changed the times. He took screenshots 0:47:56.360 --> 0:47:58.799 on his phones of all of his initial timings, all 0:47:58.840 --> 0:48:02.040 four of the lifeguards in question had times that did 0:48:02.080 --> 0:48:05.719 not qualify them. So that's Pinske plus the three headshots 0:48:05.760 --> 0:48:08.759 of lifeguards that we never meet. Greco changed them and 0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:13.040 then he said he requalified them, meaning Frankie says he 0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:15.239 had sex with them, or they had to give him 0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:18.439 ten percent of their salary. He called it pay or lay. 0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:21.440 Frankie knows this because Greco told him that when he 0:48:21.480 --> 0:48:25.400 confronted him, and he recorded the entire conversation on his cell. Frankie, 0:48:25.560 --> 0:48:27.640 you could have gone to the authorities a lot earlier. 0:48:27.680 --> 0:48:29.560 You have so much evidence saved on that little phone 0:48:29.600 --> 0:48:32.680 of yours. And it's like, let's get him into the SVU. 0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:36.279 He is really a detective. He's got screenshots, he's got combos, 0:48:36.600 --> 0:48:41.280 so obviously CARIESI plays the combo in court and he's 0:48:41.360 --> 0:48:44.600 like we hear Greco being like, hell, yes, she requalified 0:48:44.719 --> 0:48:46.759 on her knees. You want to crack out or two. 0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:50.920 So immediately it's like cases over. This guy's disgusting. We 0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:54.160 know what's up. And now it's Sandy's turn and he goes, 0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:56.080 so you knew about the scores being changed and you 0:48:56.120 --> 0:48:59.280 said nothing, And Frankie's like, yes, but with deep regret, 0:48:59.360 --> 0:49:01.000 and then Sandy cuts him off and goes, did that 0:49:01.000 --> 0:49:02.560 regret come after or before? 0:49:02.840 --> 0:49:05.000 You were offered a deal in exchange for your testimony? 0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:08.400 Which they always love to point out that people are possibly, 0:49:09.120 --> 0:49:12.600 you know, giving false testimony for a deal. So cuts 0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:15.680 a late night at Carisie's office, and you know, Amanda 0:49:15.760 --> 0:49:17.960 SLINKs in like, hey, babe, a, you gonna be working late, 0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:20.600 and she's like, you know, I saw tears with the jury, 0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:22.840 so I think you are getting to them. Like, so 0:49:23.120 --> 0:49:25.799 you're doing great, and he's like, you slept like a 0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:27.920 baby last night, first time in a while that you 0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:30.560 didn't wake up. And then she shows him the bullet 0:49:30.640 --> 0:49:33.000 charm and says maybe Finn should be a shrink after 0:49:33.040 --> 0:49:34.279 he retires, which. 0:49:34.080 --> 0:49:34.520 I love that. 0:49:35.000 --> 0:49:36.520 And he tells her he's going to be late because 0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:38.760 Greco's on the stand tomorrow. They have a little smooch 0:49:38.800 --> 0:49:41.640 and she's like, you got this back in court. Greco's 0:49:41.680 --> 0:49:44.680 on the stand saying his job takes discipline and integrity, 0:49:44.800 --> 0:49:48.120 Like how how do you even put this man on 0:49:48.160 --> 0:49:50.200 the stand after the phone call we just heard him 0:49:50.239 --> 0:49:55.799 talking about like fucking people for assaulting people for you know, 0:49:56.200 --> 0:49:59.719 kickbacks or whatever. The fuck he's doing. And then you 0:49:59.760 --> 0:50:02.319 get him on the stand and have him talk about integrity, Like, 0:50:02.400 --> 0:50:05.319 what's going on again, Sandy, I'm a better lawyer than you. 0:50:05.320 --> 0:50:08.040 I wouldn't put him on the stand. He says he's 0:50:08.040 --> 0:50:10.520 a man of integrity, but he also admits to having 0:50:10.560 --> 0:50:15.000 sexual involvements with lifeguards underneath him. All consensual still would 0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:17.160 be sexual harassment, like still would not be Like if 0:50:17.200 --> 0:50:21.239 there's a power dynamic imbalance, it's not okay. He says 0:50:21.280 --> 0:50:23.560 he's never hired someone unfit for the job. But even 0:50:23.560 --> 0:50:26.640 the most experienced guards can lose a swimmer and Careesi 0:50:26.760 --> 0:50:29.400 asks him if he loses sleep, and his lawyer objects, 0:50:29.400 --> 0:50:31.640 but the judge allows it. And she does look familiar. 0:50:32.080 --> 0:50:34.400 She is a judge in two episodes this season, plus 0:50:34.400 --> 0:50:36.960 she's in the episode Crush and the episode Complicated. But 0:50:37.000 --> 0:50:39.960 I didn't really look up her parts. But she's an spu. 0:50:40.000 --> 0:50:44.279 Queen Greco says, I'm understaffed. My budget is cut. It 0:50:44.280 --> 0:50:47.200 gets worse every year. People drunk on the beach, people 0:50:47.239 --> 0:50:50.160 with no business getting in that water. Then we need 0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:52.360 to get in and risk our lives. And Creasey's like, 0:50:52.400 --> 0:50:55.359 but that's your job, like and then this guy goes 0:50:55.360 --> 0:50:57.560 off into a monologue and he goes, look at you 0:50:57.640 --> 0:50:59.600 in your suit and tie. You have no idea what 0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:01.600 it's like to people's lives in your hands, do you. 0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:04.359 People don't think about it. The ocean is a wilderness. 0:51:04.640 --> 0:51:07.640 Men like me are the breakwater, the only barrier between 0:51:07.680 --> 0:51:10.560 a fun day at the beach and some out of shape, 0:51:10.600 --> 0:51:13.439 stupid person becoming part of the food chain. It's IQ 0:51:13.640 --> 0:51:16.759 points and common sense most of the time. And they're like, 0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:18.880 so did you send Diego into the water because of 0:51:19.040 --> 0:51:20.040 lack common sense? 0:51:20.239 --> 0:51:23.120 It's also funny to say this Sacarsi who was an officer, 0:51:23.360 --> 0:51:25.399 so he knows about it pretty well. 0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:28.760 We've seen it one handed pull up and get himself 0:51:28.880 --> 0:51:30.880 up and save girls that were being trafficked. 0:51:30.880 --> 0:51:32.520 Okay, he's helped save lives. 0:51:32.960 --> 0:51:34.680 So he goes, so did you send Diego into the 0:51:34.680 --> 0:51:36.960 water because he lacked common sense? And he goes, Diego 0:51:37.000 --> 0:51:39.480 was a drunk who showed up, showed up hungover, and 0:51:39.560 --> 0:51:42.239 Creasy's like really laying into him, so you gave the 0:51:42.320 --> 0:51:44.600 order for him to swim laps in a riptide and 0:51:44.640 --> 0:51:47.480 his lawyer tries to object, but Greco goes, you're damn right, 0:51:47.520 --> 0:51:49.520 I gave that order, and you cannot tell me that 0:51:49.520 --> 0:51:51.360 the fucking showrunner of the show does not have a 0:51:51.400 --> 0:51:53.560 boner for the movie. A few good men, because this 0:51:53.680 --> 0:51:55.959 is ripped right out of a few good men from 0:51:56.000 --> 0:51:58.239 the scene of you can't comdle the truth, Like, it's 0:51:58.239 --> 0:51:59.239 the same fucking thing. 0:51:59.520 --> 0:52:01.640 Did you get order? Did you order the code blue? 0:52:01.680 --> 0:52:02.680 It's the same fucking thing. 0:52:03.120 --> 0:52:05.840 Everyone in the courtroom is stunned that Greco's just admitted 0:52:05.880 --> 0:52:09.040 to this, and Greco says, I didn't know. He goes, yeah, 0:52:09.040 --> 0:52:10.480 I gave the order, but I didn't know there'd be 0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:11.400 a rip anymore. 0:52:11.440 --> 0:52:12.719 That I wanted that kid dead. 0:52:13.120 --> 0:52:16.680 So like, he admits that he was making the kid 0:52:16.760 --> 0:52:18.839 like kind of get punished, but not that he wanted 0:52:18.880 --> 0:52:22.360 him dead. And he's like, that beach and all the 0:52:22.400 --> 0:52:25.040 lives on it are my responsibility, all mine, my ass 0:52:25.040 --> 0:52:25.640 on the line. 0:52:25.680 --> 0:52:28.400 I'm the boss. I'm the boss at all my lifeguards. 0:52:28.440 --> 0:52:28.680 No way. 0:52:28.719 --> 0:52:30.239 He's such a little boy, this man. 0:52:30.719 --> 0:52:34.360 So yeah, if you are taking responsibility, then you're guilty. 0:52:34.520 --> 0:52:38.680 Okay, yeah, yeah, great, and that's it, great, done and dusted. 0:52:38.760 --> 0:52:39.000 Yeah. 0:52:39.640 --> 0:52:42.600 So at this point we see Pinske, the little douche 0:52:42.600 --> 0:52:45.520 guy get up and leave the courtroom, which is kind 0:52:45.560 --> 0:52:48.120 of a big move, Like the courtroom is quiet and silent, 0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:51.799 and he's like up and leaving. So then Live tells 0:52:51.880 --> 0:52:54.920 Velasco figure out what's going on with Pinske. So Velasco 0:52:54.960 --> 0:52:57.800 approaches him and he's like, my lawyer says, I shouldn't 0:52:57.800 --> 0:52:59.920 talk to you, and I will not be following his advice. 0:53:00.000 --> 0:53:00.319 It's like he. 0:53:00.320 --> 0:53:01.560 Immediately starts talking. 0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:04.840 Velasco asks why he's been showing up to court, and 0:53:04.880 --> 0:53:07.319 he goes to show support for Greco. He made it 0:53:07.360 --> 0:53:10.160 clear we all needed to show up and he didn't. 0:53:10.200 --> 0:53:12.040 But I don't see the other lifeguards, Like there's like 0:53:12.080 --> 0:53:13.719 a girl lifeguard on that board. I don't see her 0:53:13.760 --> 0:53:16.640 in the gallery. But maybe they just couldn't pay for 0:53:16.680 --> 0:53:19.320 the extra that day. So he didn't know Diego was 0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:21.919 going to go under. He was a strong swimmer. He goes, 0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:24.880 are you He goes, I'm all right, but that's not 0:53:24.920 --> 0:53:27.760 why I didn't go in and Greg he goes, Greco 0:53:27.760 --> 0:53:30.600 told me not to no matter what. And it's like, 0:53:31.120 --> 0:53:34.400 how much does lifeguarding pay? Like your boss tells you 0:53:34.440 --> 0:53:36.560 to let somebody drown no matter what, and you're like 0:53:36.680 --> 0:53:39.520 gotta make that twenty four an hour, like it is 0:53:39.640 --> 0:53:42.279 really wild, and he's like, I should have gone in. 0:53:42.360 --> 0:53:45.520 It's like, yeah, you should have. Velasco's like what does 0:53:45.560 --> 0:53:48.239 he have on you? And then Pinsky's struggling to tell him, 0:53:48.600 --> 0:53:51.480 and Velasko's like, whatever it is, it's not your fault. 0:53:51.480 --> 0:53:52.920 We know what he did to other guys. 0:53:52.960 --> 0:53:55.160 And so he's like, okay, he's got pictures of me 0:53:55.200 --> 0:53:58.200 and him and a couple of other guys doing stuff 0:53:58.320 --> 0:54:01.000 quote unquote, he goes, and I didn't do what he said. 0:54:01.000 --> 0:54:03.440 He was going to show them to everyone. He's right 0:54:03.480 --> 0:54:05.279 what he said in there. He's the boss. He's got 0:54:05.320 --> 0:54:07.400 all the power because you know, he is. 0:54:07.600 --> 0:54:10.799 The most powerful lifeguard in New York. That might be 0:54:10.800 --> 0:54:12.080 the last time I s get to say it. But 0:54:12.480 --> 0:54:15.960 so then the Lasco goes, so take it back. Okay. 0:54:16.239 --> 0:54:19.160 So now in a private conference room combo, it's Greco, 0:54:19.280 --> 0:54:22.640 his lawyer, and Careesy and Greco's like that Pinsky Punk 0:54:22.760 --> 0:54:24.680 is lying, and his lawyer is like trying to cool 0:54:24.719 --> 0:54:26.839 things down. But Greco's like, what am I paying you for? 0:54:26.880 --> 0:54:28.880 And Sandy's like to tell you when to shut the 0:54:28.880 --> 0:54:32.120 fuck up because you had lost and Greco is cocky 0:54:32.160 --> 0:54:34.440 as hell, and he's like, the jury's ever gonna convict 0:54:34.480 --> 0:54:36.600 if they do, I'll appeal because like that is the 0:54:36.680 --> 0:54:38.400 kind of guy this is. It's like they have you 0:54:38.520 --> 0:54:41.640 on tape saying that you fucked girls like that that 0:54:41.680 --> 0:54:44.480 were underneath you and that you were holding something over them, 0:54:44.640 --> 0:54:46.640 like we have you on we have you in the 0:54:46.640 --> 0:54:49.239 courtroom saying you order this kid to swim laps like 0:54:50.480 --> 0:54:53.520 and what led to his death? Like, and he's still like, 0:54:53.600 --> 0:54:56.000 I'll just appeal. That's something I think people with money do. 0:54:56.040 --> 0:54:58.040 They go all just appeal because in a lot of cases, 0:54:58.040 --> 0:55:00.160 I think you can just appeal until it fucking goes away. 0:55:00.480 --> 0:55:05.000 But it's wild the cockiness on this man, Like he 0:55:05.080 --> 0:55:08.280 has like terminal confidence and entitlement. 0:55:08.840 --> 0:55:11.319 And so Cariese's like, dude, it's over. 0:55:11.520 --> 0:55:14.320 The political clout you bought has run out with your 0:55:14.520 --> 0:55:17.800 massive political donations. Pinsky has the photos you used to 0:55:17.800 --> 0:55:21.640 blackmail him, Like yeah, I mean if you knew that 0:55:21.680 --> 0:55:23.720 the photos are out there, why are you so confident? 0:55:24.040 --> 0:55:26.160 And Cariese's like, I'm giving you the chance to serve 0:55:26.200 --> 0:55:28.680 time without everyone knowing the truth about you, and he goes, 0:55:28.680 --> 0:55:30.560 oh yeah, what's that? And he goes that you're a 0:55:30.600 --> 0:55:34.160 manipulative little big man. I don't really get that insult. 0:55:34.280 --> 0:55:35.759 I feel like we could have done better with a 0:55:35.760 --> 0:55:38.200 little pitch session in the writer's room that you're a 0:55:38.239 --> 0:55:41.160 manipulative little big man with a fiefdom built on sand, 0:55:41.200 --> 0:55:43.480 and it's all coming down. I do like the fifdom 0:55:43.520 --> 0:55:45.680 built on sand because it works on two levels. It's 0:55:45.719 --> 0:55:48.239 like the beach, you know. And then the lawyer is like, 0:55:48.360 --> 0:55:51.919 what's the offer? So now back at the precinct, Live 0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:53.799 hangs up the phone with Careesy and lets the gang 0:55:53.840 --> 0:55:57.160 know that Greco's gonna plead guilty to ten counts of manslaughter, 0:55:57.760 --> 0:56:00.560 all of that so that it doesn't come out about 0:56:00.560 --> 0:56:01.960 the sexual stuff. 0:56:02.640 --> 0:56:05.840 And yeah, he was really fucked. He had nowhere to go. 0:56:06.640 --> 0:56:09.279 Finn points out that consecutive sentences would put him in 0:56:09.360 --> 0:56:10.360 jail till he's seventy. 0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:12.640 So then Live tells Alaska on Muncie. 0:56:12.800 --> 0:56:15.320 Good job, guys, and they're like, we're gonna go tell Martina, 0:56:15.440 --> 0:56:17.799 and then Velasco mentions there's a memorial on the beach 0:56:17.840 --> 0:56:20.040 for Diego, and Lives like, well, I will not be attending, 0:56:20.040 --> 0:56:22.960 but please send my condolences and then lives like Velasco. 0:56:23.160 --> 0:56:25.520 You lost someone and it's easy to take that personally, 0:56:25.760 --> 0:56:28.000 so you feel sorry, but not for yourself. You did 0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:30.560 everything right. And then he thanks her and she's like 0:56:30.640 --> 0:56:33.640 I need it, and then you know, she gives her 0:56:33.920 --> 0:56:37.000 signature sort of like terse stare as they walk out 0:56:37.040 --> 0:56:40.520 and that's Dick wolf Baby. This is, you know, a 0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:43.400 wild season. I've said it before on the podcast. It 0:56:43.600 --> 0:56:46.799 just like it used to just be this could have 0:56:46.800 --> 0:56:48.759 been an interesting episode. I didn't really think that we 0:56:48.840 --> 0:56:51.160 needed to like have there be like a councilwoman and 0:56:51.280 --> 0:56:54.400 like parole officers being called and stuff like that, Like 0:56:54.640 --> 0:56:57.000 we didn't have to make like this whole season is 0:56:57.040 --> 0:57:00.200 all about crimes involving the most powerful people in New York. 0:57:00.320 --> 0:57:04.040 There's a soccer player episode, there's a lifeguard, there's a 0:57:04.080 --> 0:57:06.759 woman who's like a big real estate person. There's like 0:57:07.000 --> 0:57:09.520 everybody's the most powerful person New York and I'm like, God, 0:57:09.600 --> 0:57:11.839 back in the day, it was just any Tom Dick 0:57:11.920 --> 0:57:13.560 or Stanley who showed up in New York and had 0:57:13.600 --> 0:57:15.640 a problem they could call SV And now it's like 0:57:15.680 --> 0:57:18.800 they're feels like they're like the personal police of the rich. 0:57:18.680 --> 0:57:20.880 And powerful, the concierge. 0:57:21.600 --> 0:57:24.640 Yeah, yeah, I mean this is a hokey, silly thing, 0:57:24.720 --> 0:57:27.360 you know, lifeguards, but it is based on real crimes. 0:57:27.480 --> 0:57:28.800 It is Yeah, it is. 0:57:28.760 --> 0:57:30.520 Here we are and I cannot wait to hear you 0:57:30.560 --> 0:57:34.360 talk about it. So listen to our messages and we'll 0:57:34.360 --> 0:57:34.959 be right back. 0:57:51.520 --> 0:57:56.840 This episode is based on two crimes. One is based 0:57:56.880 --> 0:58:00.600 in the Chicago Park District. It's a sex abuse scandal 0:58:00.600 --> 0:58:04.040 in the early two thousands in Chicago at Lakes that 0:58:04.120 --> 0:58:05.880 I have been to at beach as I was there, 0:58:06.440 --> 0:58:08.360 so apparently I had no clue. 0:58:08.480 --> 0:58:09.919 You know, I'm more of a skoche girl. 0:58:09.920 --> 0:58:14.640 But the aquatics department in Chicago had a misogynistic, toxic, 0:58:14.680 --> 0:58:18.520 and abusive culture that has pervaded them for decades. But 0:58:18.680 --> 0:58:21.680 unbeknownst to the young victims that just wanted to be lifeguards, 0:58:21.840 --> 0:58:24.320 you know, just young fun teens that wanted to be 0:58:24.440 --> 0:58:27.840 tan and cool. Like as a kid, I looked at 0:58:27.840 --> 0:58:30.200 the lifeguards as cool when I went to the beach, 0:58:30.560 --> 0:58:35.720 like I it's Baywatch. I mean, babe, Baywatch yeeah. 0:58:35.040 --> 0:58:40.760 Like babe, I mean Nicole Eggert from Charles in Charge, 0:58:40.840 --> 0:58:44.760 so gorgeous, Pamela Anderson Yasmin Bleef, Carmen Electra. I mean 0:58:44.760 --> 0:58:47.240 it was like every Maxim babe was on that fucking show. 0:58:48.080 --> 0:58:49.880 And the men were hot. The men were hot too, 0:58:49.880 --> 0:58:50.720 I mean, who were the men? 0:58:51.280 --> 0:58:51.480 Yeah? 0:58:51.520 --> 0:58:51.680 Who? 0:58:51.920 --> 0:58:53.760 I think it's like a lot of now Republicans. 0:58:53.800 --> 0:58:58.760 But go on, yeah, so young women, you know, like 0:58:59.120 --> 0:59:01.520 on the show, it's the first jobs are coming in. 0:59:01.560 --> 0:59:05.720 They want to make friends, experienced camaraderie, get nice paychecks, 0:59:05.800 --> 0:59:08.600 you get to work in the sun, sand water. But 0:59:08.720 --> 0:59:11.640 instead they were truly preyed upon their males by their 0:59:11.680 --> 0:59:15.480 male supervisors, with impunity in a workplace that was rooted 0:59:15.520 --> 0:59:20.120 in a culture of sexual harassment and physical abuse. Sexual 0:59:20.160 --> 0:59:23.600 harassment was the norm during this time. It was daily 0:59:23.760 --> 0:59:26.720 and dealt with in house. So the park District is 0:59:26.760 --> 0:59:31.080 responsible for twenty six indoor pools, fifty one outdoor pools, 0:59:31.160 --> 0:59:34.360 another fifteen pools at schools, and twenty three beaches on 0:59:34.440 --> 0:59:38.360 Lake Michigan. And there's also one inland beach at the 0:59:38.440 --> 0:59:41.640 Humboldt Park Lagoon, which I had never even heard of, 0:59:41.840 --> 0:59:44.760 but I guess, I guess you can swim in a lagoon. 0:59:45.640 --> 0:59:49.120 Michael Kelly was the Chicago Park District chief at the time. 0:59:49.280 --> 0:59:52.240 And it's claimed that he allowed and concealed a pervasive 0:59:52.280 --> 0:59:56.920 institutional culture of sexual misconduct against female Park District lifeguards. 0:59:57.360 --> 0:59:59.919 The initial whistleblower to the case said that she tried 1:00:00.160 --> 1:00:03.120 complaint to the city's top parks officials, but was initially 1:00:03.120 --> 1:00:06.280 brushed under the rug. So early twenty twenty, this woman 1:00:06.360 --> 1:00:10.680 sent a letter to Kelly alleging serious misconduct by seven 1:00:10.760 --> 1:00:14.760 supervisors at Oak Street Beach, and she described regular drug 1:00:14.840 --> 1:00:17.240 use by the lifeguards as well while they were on duty. 1:00:17.320 --> 1:00:19.920 She wrote that one time a male lifeguard, in quotes, 1:00:20.000 --> 1:00:22.080 told me that he was so high when he was 1:00:22.120 --> 1:00:24.400 giving CPR to a man who had just got pulled 1:00:24.440 --> 1:00:25.000 out of the water. 1:00:25.720 --> 1:00:27.840 And that's a direct quote from Wbez. 1:00:28.800 --> 1:00:31.920 And she said a male lifeguard slammed her into the 1:00:31.920 --> 1:00:35.560 wall of a guardroom and called her misogynistic slurs while 1:00:35.560 --> 1:00:38.400 he was high as hell. There was like a hazing 1:00:38.440 --> 1:00:41.520 situation where this woman refused to drink vodka and that 1:00:41.600 --> 1:00:44.440 led to a lifeguard grabbing her and trying to force 1:00:44.480 --> 1:00:47.840 a bottle of vodka down her throat. Throughout the summer, 1:00:47.960 --> 1:00:50.800 she said her coworkers called her slurs that became her 1:00:50.840 --> 1:00:54.120 regular name. There was like an awards ceremony where grown 1:00:54.160 --> 1:00:56.960 ass men gave teens awards that were like Bitch of 1:00:57.080 --> 1:01:00.280 the Beach, slud of the Beach, little dick man Hohrror 1:01:00.320 --> 1:01:02.440 of the Beach, and it's hard as a comic and 1:01:02.480 --> 1:01:04.640 someone who would love to be the Bitch of the beach. 1:01:04.840 --> 1:01:06.920 Yeah, that's tough, and I'd love to see someone have 1:01:07.000 --> 1:01:08.760 to get little dick you know, I'd like to see 1:01:08.760 --> 1:01:09.800 someone accept that award. 1:01:09.880 --> 1:01:10.400 That's fun. 1:01:10.920 --> 1:01:13.320 We would definitely be the women that allowed the abuse 1:01:13.360 --> 1:01:17.400 of the lifeguard group. We'd be like whatever, relaxed. Bitch 1:01:17.400 --> 1:01:21.360 of the Beach is funny. But Kelly waited nearly six 1:01:21.440 --> 1:01:24.200 weeks before four this, so this is where it all comes. 1:01:24.200 --> 1:01:27.720 So then Michael Kelly gets this message early twenty twenty 1:01:28.520 --> 1:01:31.440 and he tells this girl, I'm going to report this 1:01:31.520 --> 1:01:33.280 immediately to the Inspector General. 1:01:33.720 --> 1:01:34.280 He does not. 1:01:35.160 --> 1:01:39.200 He waits over six weeks and to send the letter 1:01:39.280 --> 1:01:41.280 to the park districts like internal watchdog. 1:01:41.560 --> 1:01:43.080 Now, if we're talking money, and. 1:01:43.000 --> 1:01:44.800 You know, in the episode, we were like, how is 1:01:44.840 --> 1:01:46.040 he affording anything? 1:01:46.080 --> 1:01:46.440 This guy? 1:01:46.640 --> 1:01:48.080 But he's head of the park district. 1:01:48.080 --> 1:01:50.120 But he was making two hundred and thirty thousand a year, 1:01:51.200 --> 1:01:53.440 and a lot of these guys were making between ninety 1:01:53.480 --> 1:01:56.200 and one hundred something thousand, like one twenty. 1:01:56.240 --> 1:01:57.280 I don't think you're making. 1:01:57.080 --> 1:01:59.800 Any meaningful contributions to a political campaign with that kind 1:01:59.800 --> 1:02:00.400 of salary. 1:02:00.480 --> 1:02:02.040 But yeah, it's not nothing. 1:02:02.440 --> 1:02:06.760 It's not nothing, not in early two thousands. That's in Chicago. 1:02:07.000 --> 1:02:09.760 I mean, that's a nice living. I never paid more 1:02:09.760 --> 1:02:11.520 than four hundred dollars in rent when I lived in 1:02:11.560 --> 1:02:15.280 chip but I lived in rooms with people. But anyways, 1:02:15.640 --> 1:02:18.840 so he said no, he denies being relaxed. He's like, 1:02:18.880 --> 1:02:21.800 I always treated this with the utmost seriousness, but that's 1:02:21.840 --> 1:02:25.200 not true. And this investigation dragged for seventeen months. So 1:02:25.240 --> 1:02:27.880 like when the woman first wrote to him, she was seventeen, 1:02:28.080 --> 1:02:30.320 and she was nineteen when this happened. So it's like, 1:02:30.600 --> 1:02:33.640 I'm sorry, you can't say this was swiftly taken care of. 1:02:33.920 --> 1:02:36.320 Yeah, when she no. 1:02:37.080 --> 1:02:39.840 So, so he got the email February seventh, twenty twenty. 1:02:39.960 --> 1:02:42.280 He did not send it till March nineteenth, twenty twenty. 1:02:42.560 --> 1:02:45.880 And that only happened because a second female ex lifeguard 1:02:46.000 --> 1:02:49.120 sent a complaint of sexual misconduct to Mayor Lori Lightfoot's 1:02:49.120 --> 1:02:51.760 office so I mean. 1:02:51.680 --> 1:02:52.400 Kelly legit. 1:02:52.600 --> 1:02:54.520 Instead of sending it to the Inspector General like he 1:02:54.520 --> 1:02:56.160 said he would, he sent it to just like the 1:02:56.200 --> 1:02:59.200 managers within, and he's like, I think it's totally normal 1:02:59.400 --> 1:03:03.320 to poke around first before it, like taking it outside 1:03:03.360 --> 1:03:06.680 the department, Like he just thinks it's not a normal 1:03:06.920 --> 1:03:09.440 or like to tell your bosses first. 1:03:09.600 --> 1:03:12.280 But also like bulshit, when he finally sent it, is 1:03:12.320 --> 1:03:13.800 it coincidence that that's. 1:03:13.640 --> 1:03:16.640 Like literally when COVID hit, like March nineteenth, twenty twenty, 1:03:16.720 --> 1:03:19.360 is like right when COVID is like shutting everything down, 1:03:19.600 --> 1:03:23.040 so he's like, maybe this will just get buried. Damn, 1:03:23.800 --> 1:03:25.680 you know, just a thought. 1:03:25.840 --> 1:03:26.320 Damn. 1:03:26.760 --> 1:03:29.080 So then Spector General for the park District at the 1:03:29.120 --> 1:03:32.760 time is Elaine Little, and nobody seemed to be on 1:03:32.800 --> 1:03:35.520 the same page. So like then Spector General office said 1:03:35.520 --> 1:03:37.560 that they didn't have the resources it took to take 1:03:37.600 --> 1:03:41.040 on such a big case, and then Kelly and Lightfoot said, no, 1:03:41.320 --> 1:03:44.680 we do. But then nobody is doing anything, so like 1:03:45.200 --> 1:03:47.080 they just weren't able to get on the same page. 1:03:47.120 --> 1:03:49.720 Everyone had an excuse of like why they weren't doing more. 1:03:50.240 --> 1:03:53.680 So the letter to Mayor Lightfoot stated that she was sexually. 1:03:54.000 --> 1:03:56.880 It's just funny to think about her because the meme 1:03:56.960 --> 1:04:00.000 of her stand like really took over the internet. 1:04:00.240 --> 1:04:02.360 But then also Carmen Christopher. 1:04:01.880 --> 1:04:06.440 Has a funny joke that like on January sixth or like, 1:04:06.520 --> 1:04:10.520 some sort of tragedy happened and everyone was right or 1:04:10.520 --> 1:04:14.840 someone had just died, like something happened and everyone was 1:04:14.880 --> 1:04:18.120 tweeting about the tragedy, and she tweeted Chicago's the Home 1:04:18.160 --> 1:04:19.840 of House Music, and. 1:04:21.680 --> 1:04:25.600 I just like just laugh about it. But she got 1:04:25.600 --> 1:04:26.479 made fun of a lot. 1:04:26.560 --> 1:04:27.200 Okay, So. 1:04:29.200 --> 1:04:31.360 It is the meme just like her making that serious 1:04:31.400 --> 1:04:33.960 face like this, yeah, but in all different places. 1:04:34.040 --> 1:04:35.840 Yeah. 1:04:35.880 --> 1:04:38.680 So the letter to Lightfoot stated that she was sexually 1:04:38.720 --> 1:04:42.200 assaulted by an employee with a more senior position than her, 1:04:42.280 --> 1:04:44.200 and then learned there was a huge number of such 1:04:44.240 --> 1:04:47.680 incidences after she told three coworkers about the attack and 1:04:47.800 --> 1:04:50.360 about the manager's mocking her when she tried to speak up. 1:04:50.800 --> 1:04:53.760 So this letter writer asked her coworkers if they filed reports, 1:04:53.840 --> 1:04:56.960 and they did and nothing was done about it. By 1:04:57.000 --> 1:04:59.400 the end, there were a dozen complaints by workers at 1:04:59.400 --> 1:05:04.320 the city's pools and beaches. Horrifying stories of employees experiencing 1:05:04.400 --> 1:05:08.680 sexual violence, being groped, forcing each other to make out, 1:05:08.720 --> 1:05:12.360 and then of course, threats of retaliation made by supervisors. 1:05:12.840 --> 1:05:15.080 One woman said she is scared to speak up because 1:05:15.080 --> 1:05:17.280 the person who attacked her is now an officer at 1:05:17.280 --> 1:05:21.200 the Chicago Police Department. So the huge investigation didn't happen 1:05:21.280 --> 1:05:22.919 until April twenty twenty one. 1:05:23.440 --> 1:05:24.760 The evidence showed that there were. 1:05:24.640 --> 1:05:27.800 At least three male lifeguards that got in trouble for 1:05:27.840 --> 1:05:33.040 sexual assault, harassment, and retaliatory threats against their subordinates, including 1:05:33.120 --> 1:05:35.720 one incident involving the sexual assault and attempted rape of 1:05:35.760 --> 1:05:39.360 a sixteen year old girl. In another instance, investigators found 1:05:39.400 --> 1:05:43.320 an aquatics department employee sexually harassed two junior female lifeguards 1:05:43.600 --> 1:05:46.560 and later sexually attacked each of them in public swimming 1:05:46.600 --> 1:05:50.880 pool locker rooms twenty sixteen in Portage Park at one 1:05:50.880 --> 1:05:53.000 of their facilities, in a women's locker room. One of 1:05:53.040 --> 1:05:56.120 the claims is that the male lifeguard molested her. He 1:05:56.160 --> 1:05:58.640 fondled her over her clothes, even as she pushed his 1:05:58.720 --> 1:06:02.040 hands away and repeated pleaded for him to stop. Another 1:06:02.080 --> 1:06:05.000 woman told Inspector General's Office of a similar attack by 1:06:05.040 --> 1:06:08.120 the same man two years later. Another man was part 1:06:08.160 --> 1:06:11.040 of the investigation for sexual harassment and a Wells Park 1:06:11.120 --> 1:06:14.560 where he supervised ten lifeguards and worked at the aquatics 1:06:14.560 --> 1:06:18.560 department for about ten years. There, three female lifeguards said 1:06:18.560 --> 1:06:21.600 that he harassed, propositioned, and threatened each of them. And 1:06:21.640 --> 1:06:24.680 he is a serial harasser. And that's the thing. It's 1:06:24.760 --> 1:06:28.520 like these women have spoken forward, they some of them 1:06:28.560 --> 1:06:30.919 did rape kits, and like the fact of the matter 1:06:30.960 --> 1:06:32.840 is nothing was done where it kept happening time and 1:06:32.880 --> 1:06:35.160 time and time and time again. You know, we talk 1:06:35.200 --> 1:06:37.720 about this where it's like so many mass shooters and 1:06:37.800 --> 1:06:42.000 serial killers all do petty cron petty in quotes against 1:06:42.040 --> 1:06:46.160 women young in age and like oh and it's always 1:06:46.200 --> 1:06:48.160 like boys will be boys attitude or like oh, we 1:06:48.160 --> 1:06:49.880 don't want to get him in trouble, oh this and that, 1:06:49.920 --> 1:06:52.280 and it's like it will always escalate the more you 1:06:52.360 --> 1:06:54.560 let people get away with it. They of course they're 1:06:54.560 --> 1:06:57.680 going to keep doing more. Why would they stop. And 1:06:58.080 --> 1:07:00.800 the whole department is responsible for any second person that 1:07:00.800 --> 1:07:03.520 has been assaulted by any of these fuckers. And so 1:07:04.000 --> 1:07:07.880 five years prior, this motherfucker was fired from Chicago public 1:07:07.920 --> 1:07:11.880 school life guarding jobs when he made inappropriate advances towards 1:07:11.960 --> 1:07:12.920 high school students. 1:07:14.120 --> 1:07:16.360 Ugh, so he got fire. 1:07:16.560 --> 1:07:18.400 So he was put on the no hireless for the 1:07:18.400 --> 1:07:20.960 school districts. But I guess that doesn't make it to 1:07:21.040 --> 1:07:26.000 the park district. Computers make it make sense. Yeah, So 1:07:27.000 --> 1:07:29.280 one woman was sexually abused by her boss at a 1:07:29.280 --> 1:07:31.120 house party and then had to work with him as 1:07:31.160 --> 1:07:34.320 her supervisor for two more years. And then so three 1:07:34.360 --> 1:07:37.480 female women said that they didn't report because he said what. 1:07:38.200 --> 1:07:39.760 Well, three female women as a face. 1:07:44.760 --> 1:07:50.200 So these ladies did not report because he said the 1:07:50.280 --> 1:07:53.720 supervisors would take his side, and that one said he 1:07:53.760 --> 1:07:56.560 didn't trust the supervisor because she thought he would tell 1:07:56.600 --> 1:07:58.680 the lifeguard about the complaints and then there would be 1:07:58.720 --> 1:08:02.640 more issues to deal with. So then another lifeguard, she 1:08:02.760 --> 1:08:05.560 worked with the park district for seven years with assignments 1:08:05.600 --> 1:08:09.800 at North Avenue Beach, Foster Beach, and Wheels Park. 1:08:09.880 --> 1:08:12.479 I don't know if that's the thing. And Portage Park. 1:08:12.560 --> 1:08:15.080 North Avenue Beach we were at together when we did 1:08:15.160 --> 1:08:17.439 Zany's that long time in the summer, so that's like 1:08:17.520 --> 1:08:19.920 where we were. Foster Beach I used to go. They 1:08:20.120 --> 1:08:24.840 used to have moon ceremonies like full moon dances that 1:08:24.920 --> 1:08:27.960 I had been to So this lifeguard worked there for 1:08:28.000 --> 1:08:30.200 seven years, and he was found that he locked a 1:08:30.240 --> 1:08:33.439 girl in his car, forced her to perform a sex 1:08:33.479 --> 1:08:35.559 act on her, and then attempted to rape her and 1:08:35.560 --> 1:08:38.920 then threatened her, knowing that she was sixteen and he 1:08:39.040 --> 1:08:42.240 was in his twenties. She then told coworkers about it 1:08:42.360 --> 1:08:45.439 right away, and then when she started getting threatening texts 1:08:45.439 --> 1:08:47.839 that made her fear for her and her family's safety, 1:08:47.880 --> 1:08:50.160 she told her mom and sister about the assault. Her 1:08:50.200 --> 1:08:52.439 mom wanted to contact the police, but she just wanted 1:08:52.439 --> 1:08:55.120 it to be done with. So finally she decided to 1:08:55.160 --> 1:08:57.320 talk when she heard that a bunch of other women 1:08:57.360 --> 1:09:00.240 from the park district were already interviewed for the investigation. 1:09:00.680 --> 1:09:02.920 So that's what kind of convinced her to talk because 1:09:02.920 --> 1:09:04.880 she was scared and did not want to take this 1:09:05.000 --> 1:09:08.920 any further. So one time a lifeguard used police officer 1:09:09.000 --> 1:09:10.680 handcuffs to shackle. 1:09:10.240 --> 1:09:12.760 Her to a tree, Oh my god, near the. 1:09:12.800 --> 1:09:16.040 Lake shore against her will, and then tickled her while 1:09:16.080 --> 1:09:17.040 she was confined. 1:09:18.760 --> 1:09:19.280 I hate that. 1:09:20.040 --> 1:09:20.920 Yeah, there are. 1:09:20.800 --> 1:09:22.800 So many Tickling is so fucked up. 1:09:23.120 --> 1:09:24.080 It's so fucked up. 1:09:24.120 --> 1:09:28.479 And you've obviously seen the documentary about the forced tickling that. 1:09:29.479 --> 1:09:32.559 I haven't thought I've heard, but you haven't. Wait what's 1:09:32.600 --> 1:09:33.240 it called again? 1:09:33.840 --> 1:09:39.080 It's probably called tickled, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:09:37.800 --> 1:09:39.000 Yeah, it's called tickled. 1:09:39.560 --> 1:09:40.240 Yeah, you're right. 1:09:40.640 --> 1:09:44.240 It's about mysterious tickling competitions. But then he digs deeper 1:09:44.280 --> 1:09:47.519 and deeper and then it ends up being like this 1:09:47.640 --> 1:09:51.320 dude who forces not force it, Like he has all 1:09:51.360 --> 1:09:54.200 this footage of these ticklings, but he's like a rich 1:09:54.240 --> 1:09:55.320 guy that owns everything. 1:09:55.360 --> 1:09:56.560 It's like wild. 1:09:56.760 --> 1:10:02.679 It's this tickle monster who's like really into pain, who 1:10:02.920 --> 1:10:05.000 is into what happened to him. 1:10:05.080 --> 1:10:08.000 He's a culture for he's just a rich guy that 1:10:08.040 --> 1:10:08.519 could sue. 1:10:08.640 --> 1:10:12.360 We have to rewatch it whatever, But there's this tickling 1:10:12.400 --> 1:10:15.040 subculture and then evil people that are involved in it. 1:10:15.080 --> 1:10:15.680 If you want to. 1:10:15.600 --> 1:10:18.960 Watch it, it's from twenty sixteen called Tickled, and it's weird. 1:10:19.000 --> 1:10:21.000 You haven't watched it, and I think you should. Yeah 1:10:21.000 --> 1:10:24.120 I should, because it all it's like it goes to 1:10:24.160 --> 1:10:28.400 the courts and this guy, it's just this powerful tickling maniac. 1:10:30.040 --> 1:10:30.320 Yeah. 1:10:30.360 --> 1:10:34.040 I'm like really really sensitive about like when I'm tickling 1:10:34.040 --> 1:10:36.160 my kids, if they say stop, I stop like right away, 1:10:36.160 --> 1:10:37.759 because I just like to be tickled. 1:10:37.760 --> 1:10:41.439 When you don't want it anymore. Is like I hate that. Yeah, 1:10:41.680 --> 1:10:43.639 and you could die I think from the stress. 1:10:44.520 --> 1:10:45.800 Oh really, go ahead. 1:10:45.960 --> 1:10:48.400 Well, someone was just telling me a story of like 1:10:49.000 --> 1:10:52.599 this dude accidentally got stuck at his job in like 1:10:52.680 --> 1:10:56.880 a sub zero freezer and he when he was found, 1:10:56.920 --> 1:11:00.519 he like dug so much that is like like into 1:11:00.560 --> 1:11:02.479 the ice and stuff and snow that it was all 1:11:02.520 --> 1:11:04.000 these marks trying to get out. 1:11:04.520 --> 1:11:06.040 But he just died from the stress. 1:11:06.080 --> 1:11:10.280 And actually the freezer was unplugged and he would have 1:11:10.360 --> 1:11:14.920 been fine and the temperature was warming up, but because 1:11:14.960 --> 1:11:17.639 he was so stressed trying to get out, he died 1:11:17.680 --> 1:11:20.720 of like oh my god, something else not, like he 1:11:20.800 --> 1:11:23.880 tricked his body into thinking he had hypothermia but he didn't. 1:11:24.840 --> 1:11:25.280 Type of thing. 1:11:25.280 --> 1:11:27.880 Wow, And that's how I think about with tickling, Like 1:11:28.000 --> 1:11:31.080 if someone says stop, you just have to. I always 1:11:31.080 --> 1:11:33.400 remember this, Like fucking girl from my school had a 1:11:33.400 --> 1:11:35.600 little snake and I don't like snakes, and she like 1:11:35.720 --> 1:11:38.120 chased me around with the snake and would not stop, 1:11:38.960 --> 1:11:41.960 and it's just like, go fuck yourself. But she had 1:11:42.000 --> 1:11:45.919 a rough upbringing. So anyways, there's a lot of pools 1:11:45.960 --> 1:11:48.479 and a lot of beaches and so there. It's hard 1:11:48.520 --> 1:11:50.880 to keep track of all these men in punishments and 1:11:50.920 --> 1:11:53.280 how things were handled because a lot of names weren't 1:11:53.360 --> 1:11:57.040 used because wb EASY is local Chicago news and like 1:11:57.120 --> 1:12:00.920 they can't publish any names until people are full criminally charged. 1:12:00.920 --> 1:12:03.400 So a lot of these articles just like don't really 1:12:03.400 --> 1:12:06.519 have names that. Yeah, it's a lot of suspensions, it's 1:12:06.560 --> 1:12:07.639 a lot of accusing. 1:12:07.720 --> 1:12:09.240 It's just like a lot. It was huge. 1:12:09.320 --> 1:12:11.280 You know, I've told jummy beaches and pools there were, 1:12:11.800 --> 1:12:14.200 but you know, I'm trying to keep it as straight 1:12:14.200 --> 1:12:17.240 as possible. So one lifeguard declined to talk to the 1:12:17.240 --> 1:12:20.640 Inspector General's office because he had already resigned from the 1:12:20.680 --> 1:12:23.400 park district and so since he didn't work there, he 1:12:23.439 --> 1:12:25.760 didn't have to be included in the investigation. But it's like, 1:12:25.800 --> 1:12:28.840 then call the cops, excuse me, so you quit a 1:12:28.920 --> 1:12:30.800 job and so they don't have to investigate you. 1:12:30.880 --> 1:12:31.920 It makes no sense to me. 1:12:32.880 --> 1:12:35.360 So yeah, he resigned, and he resigned because he was 1:12:35.400 --> 1:12:39.559 already under investigation and suspicion. And this is according to 1:12:39.600 --> 1:12:42.160 a report in the case like to WBZ, and he 1:12:42.280 --> 1:12:45.439 is on the do not rehire list, which we've seen earlier. 1:12:45.479 --> 1:12:46.320 Does not really work. 1:12:46.680 --> 1:12:47.280 Yeah. 1:12:47.400 --> 1:12:49.160 So April twenty twenty one. 1:12:48.920 --> 1:12:52.680 WBZ reported that despite the inspector finding that illegal or 1:12:52.680 --> 1:12:57.240 criminal sexual misconduct likely took place repeatedly, neither the park 1:12:57.280 --> 1:13:00.439 district nor its inspector General would reply when asked if 1:13:00.439 --> 1:13:03.720 they had referred any of the incidents to law enforcement. 1:13:04.880 --> 1:13:08.880 So they had evidence but refused to get law enforcement involved, 1:13:09.080 --> 1:13:11.360 and a spokeswoman for the mayor at the time also 1:13:11.439 --> 1:13:14.719 declined to comment to WBZ and referred all questions about 1:13:14.720 --> 1:13:19.200 the investigation to the park district. So no one really 1:13:19.280 --> 1:13:21.320 wanted to answer to all these lifeguards. So maybe they 1:13:21.360 --> 1:13:24.479 are all powerful lifeguards who fucking knows what's going on. So. 1:13:24.720 --> 1:13:29.680 Mauricio Ramirez Humble was a Humboldt Park lifeguard manager and 1:13:29.840 --> 1:13:33.160 he was charged with sexually abusing two underage female employees 1:13:33.200 --> 1:13:35.880 that he had supervised. He was more than thirty years 1:13:35.880 --> 1:13:39.320 old and was grooming and sexually exploiting underage girls. There 1:13:39.400 --> 1:13:42.919 was physical evidence against him because his second victim completed 1:13:42.920 --> 1:13:46.120 a sexual assault kit at the hospital. After a party 1:13:46.160 --> 1:13:48.840 where the victim was drinking alcohol. Ramirez is accused of 1:13:48.920 --> 1:13:52.200 driving the girl to a motel, carrying her into a room, 1:13:52.280 --> 1:13:55.759 and sexually assaulting her on the bed. The abuse continued 1:13:55.800 --> 1:13:57.840 for the rest of the summer, and more assaults in 1:13:57.880 --> 1:13:59.800 the back of his car and in showers and locker 1:13:59.800 --> 1:14:00.559 a y rooms happen. 1:14:00.800 --> 1:14:02.360 Oh he's poor girls. 1:14:02.560 --> 1:14:04.320 Yeah, he would pick up girls from high school and 1:14:04.400 --> 1:14:07.280 help them study and do act prep and stuff like. 1:14:07.320 --> 1:14:07.920 He is a creed. 1:14:07.960 --> 1:14:10.760 But he pled guilty, which is awesome because it's also 1:14:10.920 --> 1:14:12.680 better to get money. It's easier to get money when 1:14:12.720 --> 1:14:16.000 people plead guilty in civil cases, and that the girls 1:14:16.000 --> 1:14:19.200 didn't have to testify. He legit in court in quotes, 1:14:19.920 --> 1:14:22.759 he said, full responsibility for my actions, and that's according 1:14:22.800 --> 1:14:26.000 to the Chicago Sun Times, he apologized to his victims 1:14:26.040 --> 1:14:28.439 in court and said he had nobody to blame but himself. 1:14:28.960 --> 1:14:31.479 I mean, the bar is set so low. I'm like, okay, 1:14:31.479 --> 1:14:33.040 I'm like admitting. I'm like, oh, okay. 1:14:33.040 --> 1:14:34.720 At least he's taking accountability. 1:14:34.720 --> 1:14:35.040 I mean. 1:14:35.600 --> 1:14:38.599 He was sentenced to three years of probation, forty hours 1:14:38.600 --> 1:14:43.040 of community service, electronic monitoring, and a lifetime sex offender registry. 1:14:43.800 --> 1:14:46.840 Hector Cause is twenty five and is another lifeguard who 1:14:46.880 --> 1:14:50.400 was charged with felony criminal sexual assault and aggravated criminal 1:14:50.439 --> 1:14:52.840 sexual abuse for assaulting a seventeen year old in a 1:14:52.880 --> 1:14:55.920 locker room in Jefferson Park in twenty eighteen. And I 1:14:55.960 --> 1:14:58.000 think he's the one that like left and refused to 1:14:58.160 --> 1:15:00.880 help the investigation, but they got him. He said he 1:15:00.920 --> 1:15:03.440 can pleasure one of the girls better than her boyfriend 1:15:03.479 --> 1:15:05.320 and lock the door in the changing room at the 1:15:05.320 --> 1:15:08.320 pool and pinned her against the lockers before grabbing her 1:15:08.320 --> 1:15:09.680 face fondling. 1:15:09.240 --> 1:15:11.120 Her in all of our private areas. 1:15:11.560 --> 1:15:14.200 And prosecutors also said that he penetrated the girl with 1:15:14.240 --> 1:15:16.880 his fingers twice even though she kept telling him to stop. 1:15:17.560 --> 1:15:21.160 So according to the Cook County Lockup, he was booked 1:15:21.160 --> 1:15:23.599 on May fifth, twenty twenty two, and had a court 1:15:23.680 --> 1:15:27.320 date December seventh, twenty twenty three for bond information. So 1:15:28.200 --> 1:15:30.360 hopefully by the end of this episode we will have 1:15:31.200 --> 1:15:33.720 an update on how his court date went and if 1:15:33.720 --> 1:15:35.519 he's still going to be in jail or not. 1:15:35.720 --> 1:15:37.440 But that is interesting. 1:15:37.600 --> 1:15:40.840 So the Chicago Park District ended up paying out more 1:15:40.840 --> 1:15:43.680 than one point nine million dollars in legal settlements to 1:15:43.880 --> 1:15:44.720 three lifeguards. 1:15:45.160 --> 1:15:46.120 The Sun Times. 1:15:45.880 --> 1:15:49.719 Wrote, who allegedly that these lifeguards are who allegedly suffered 1:15:49.720 --> 1:15:53.559 from sexual misconduct and hazing but it's not alleged. They 1:15:53.600 --> 1:15:56.120 wouldn't pay one point nine million dollars if it was alleged. 1:15:56.320 --> 1:15:59.360 The Sun Times thank you very much. So the park 1:15:59.439 --> 1:16:02.479 district said, three claims in nine months and guess what 1:16:02.560 --> 1:16:05.800 the settlements were expended by taxpayer funded agency. 1:16:07.240 --> 1:16:07.800 Yeah. 1:16:07.800 --> 1:16:09.639 I mean, this is like one of my biggest beliefs 1:16:09.640 --> 1:16:13.040 that I think. I think if cops embark all these people, 1:16:13.080 --> 1:16:15.559 they need to pay out their own like things. It's 1:16:15.600 --> 1:16:19.200 like so fucked up that our money goes to pay 1:16:19.240 --> 1:16:23.000 for crooked employees. It's insane, Yeah, because I think they 1:16:23.000 --> 1:16:25.280 would behave a little better if they actually had to 1:16:25.280 --> 1:16:28.640 pay out of their pockets and pensions. All the settlements 1:16:28.680 --> 1:16:31.800 include a clause prohibiting the former lifeguards from disparaging the 1:16:31.840 --> 1:16:35.080 park district. Stephen Blandon, one of the lawyers, said to 1:16:35.120 --> 1:16:37.800 The Sun Times, this appears to be a continuing cover 1:16:37.920 --> 1:16:41.040 up so that other victims don't come forward. The Suntimes 1:16:41.080 --> 1:16:43.880 reported September twenty twenty three that a fourth female ex 1:16:43.920 --> 1:16:46.720 life card filed another lawsuit against the park district and 1:16:46.760 --> 1:16:49.519 a former head of the park district, Michael Kelly and 1:16:49.600 --> 1:16:53.360 Humboldt Park District supervisor that was convicted. The cases pending 1:16:53.360 --> 1:16:57.200 in Cook County. Also, former Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot forced 1:16:57.280 --> 1:16:59.519 him to resign, even though he kept trying to defend 1:16:59.520 --> 1:17:00.519 how he handed the matter. 1:17:00.600 --> 1:17:01.120 But whatever. 1:17:01.360 --> 1:17:04.479 Michael Kelly resigned after twenty seven years working in the 1:17:04.479 --> 1:17:09.000 park district in October twenty twenty one. Avis Lavelle, Yeah, 1:17:09.320 --> 1:17:12.080 Avis Lavelle was the president of the park's board. She 1:17:12.200 --> 1:17:14.800 also resigned, But she's a dumb bitch anyways, she worked 1:17:14.800 --> 1:17:17.400 for Mayor Daily and worked at the private parking company 1:17:17.640 --> 1:17:20.880 that Mayor Daily sold all Chicago public parking too, that 1:17:21.000 --> 1:17:23.400 his cousin owned and gave him one hundred year deal. 1:17:24.160 --> 1:17:27.000 So this motherfucker on his way out from becoming mayor 1:17:27.960 --> 1:17:32.880 sold all public parking in Chicago to a company. So 1:17:33.040 --> 1:17:36.000 there's no caps, there's no free Sundays, all hours of 1:17:36.000 --> 1:17:36.400 the night. 1:17:36.479 --> 1:17:41.439 Like truly came oversight for that. How is there not? 1:17:41.560 --> 1:17:43.560 Like you can't do that? Like I don't. 1:17:43.640 --> 1:17:48.160 It's so crazy, motherfucker. And obviously he owns like a 1:17:48.160 --> 1:17:51.080 part of the company. And this bitch double dipping working 1:17:51.080 --> 1:17:53.040 as the president of the parks board and then also 1:17:53.080 --> 1:17:54.200 at this parking company. 1:17:54.840 --> 1:17:56.479 So she fucking got go to. 1:17:57.360 --> 1:17:59.640 In June twenty twenty one, a woman named Julie to 1:18:00.200 --> 1:18:03.280 Twitterich came forward about her summers as a teen spent 1:18:03.680 --> 1:18:06.000 as a lifeguard, where her supervisor cornered her in a 1:18:06.040 --> 1:18:08.800 park office and sexually abused her twice. That was in 1:18:08.840 --> 1:18:12.959 the seventies, So this has been going on for decades. 1:18:13.040 --> 1:18:15.880 Whoa so at the time of this interview, she is 1:18:15.880 --> 1:18:18.479 a sixty year old grandmother of e and the recent 1:18:18.560 --> 1:18:21.439 news brought back a flood of memories and she wants 1:18:21.479 --> 1:18:24.320 an apology and recognition that this happened to her. She 1:18:24.360 --> 1:18:26.320 says she was too young a naive to speak up 1:18:26.360 --> 1:18:28.040 and it made her wonder at the time if she 1:18:28.120 --> 1:18:31.599 did something to provoke her attacker. She said, I didn't 1:18:31.600 --> 1:18:33.679 even think that it was something that I could say. 1:18:33.840 --> 1:18:36.360 I was embarrassed that it happened. It was awful. It's 1:18:36.439 --> 1:18:38.679 crazy the things that you think when you're a teen. 1:18:39.240 --> 1:18:43.240 And she's quoted saying that at Wbez, another woman came 1:18:43.280 --> 1:18:46.040 forward saying fifteen years ago, a captain took rope and 1:18:46.160 --> 1:18:48.320 lassoed her, tied her up and left her on the 1:18:48.360 --> 1:18:52.160 beach like a calf at the rodeo. They literally had 1:18:52.160 --> 1:18:57.120 a day called sexual harassment Saturdays. Another woman from before 1:18:57.240 --> 1:19:00.439 said that she remembers two young female guards were made 1:19:00.479 --> 1:19:03.400 an accusation and immediately one was asked to leave and 1:19:03.479 --> 1:19:05.559 the other was moved to another beach. And this is 1:19:05.680 --> 1:19:08.479 ongoing and we could see for decades and if you 1:19:08.880 --> 1:19:11.559 reacted negatively to being harassed, they would give you long 1:19:11.600 --> 1:19:14.800 shifts in a rowboat on the lake called rotting and 1:19:15.000 --> 1:19:17.720 just like punish you. So the fact that this all 1:19:17.760 --> 1:19:19.640 came out, I think to the help of the Me 1:19:19.720 --> 1:19:24.320 Too movement and yeah, to these brave like girls that 1:19:24.400 --> 1:19:27.720 step forward in you know, the twenty twenties. But this, 1:19:28.439 --> 1:19:31.240 you know, we kind of with this episode or we're like, 1:19:31.479 --> 1:19:34.640 this is a silly episode of Lifeguards, but now we 1:19:34.680 --> 1:19:36.760 have like a good example of how this has been 1:19:36.800 --> 1:19:37.599 happening forever. 1:19:37.720 --> 1:19:40.880 Well, it's like, you know, we've talked about it before. 1:19:40.920 --> 1:19:44.519 It's like people that are supposed to help people, like lifeguards, police, 1:19:44.960 --> 1:19:46.840 like they get put on a pedestal and then these 1:19:46.840 --> 1:19:48.960 guys think that they're above. 1:19:48.680 --> 1:19:52.920 The fucking law, you know, and they get a big 1:19:52.960 --> 1:19:53.760 head about. 1:19:53.520 --> 1:19:55.599 Oh, I got people's lives in my hands, and blah 1:19:55.640 --> 1:19:57.679 blah blah, I can do whatever. 1:19:57.479 --> 1:19:59.559 I want it's bullshit. 1:20:00.439 --> 1:20:02.639 The other case that I think helped inspire this one 1:20:02.680 --> 1:20:04.680 not about lifeguards, but it is in the pool, so 1:20:04.720 --> 1:20:07.559 I thought I would include it. It's the Paul Hickson 1:20:07.680 --> 1:20:11.040 rape case. He was a British Olympics swim coach. He 1:20:11.160 --> 1:20:14.719 ended up being jailed for seventeen years total for sexually 1:20:14.760 --> 1:20:17.000 attacking teenagers on his elite squads. 1:20:17.040 --> 1:20:18.160 In nineteen ninety five. 1:20:18.400 --> 1:20:21.960 My god, yeah, he was convicted of fifteen of seventeen 1:20:22.040 --> 1:20:25.840 charges at Cardiff Crown Court. He was found guilty of 1:20:25.920 --> 1:20:29.960 raping two teenage swimmers and in decently assaulting others. He 1:20:30.000 --> 1:20:32.640 was arrested in nineteen ninety two when he was the 1:20:32.720 --> 1:20:37.120 chief swimming coach at Millfield Public School in Somerset. So 1:20:37.520 --> 1:20:42.080 thirteen complainants came forward who were aged between thirteen and twenty. 1:20:42.760 --> 1:20:45.400 So before he was famous, So before he was famous 1:20:45.400 --> 1:20:48.680 for being a rapist, he was known for the Sole Olympics. 1:20:49.320 --> 1:20:50.599 That was like the big thing. 1:20:50.680 --> 1:20:53.479 He coached a lot of athletes who meddled and he 1:20:53.560 --> 1:20:56.720 was just kind of like the swimming hero and they 1:20:56.720 --> 1:21:01.000 gave evidence that he assaulted them after swim lessons or 1:21:01.080 --> 1:21:05.160 while carrying out fitness tests. He of course denied everything 1:21:05.240 --> 1:21:08.120 and said that the women just fantasized about him and 1:21:08.200 --> 1:21:10.599 this was dur and he said that to the jury, 1:21:11.080 --> 1:21:12.920 like he said this on the stand. He goes, no, no, 1:21:12.960 --> 1:21:16.639 they just fantasized this. That's I could see Grouco saying 1:21:16.640 --> 1:21:18.360 something like that. I mean, that's like the kuy He 1:21:18.360 --> 1:21:22.240 seems the same kind of guy. But he got twelve 1:21:22.320 --> 1:21:26.040 years for both rapes and other serious sexual offenses to 1:21:26.280 --> 1:21:30.599 run concurrently, and then the judge, John Proser ordered him 1:21:30.600 --> 1:21:33.800 to serve an additional five years for the indecent assaults. 1:21:34.280 --> 1:21:37.200 The judge gave a little speech, and at first, like 1:21:37.320 --> 1:21:39.800 it kind of bothers me, because you know, at first, 1:21:39.800 --> 1:21:42.559 the judge starts with, you know what a terrible shame 1:21:42.680 --> 1:21:46.599 a man of your great ability. You enjoyed international swimming 1:21:46.680 --> 1:21:49.280 fame and brought the best potential out of swimmers. 1:21:49.320 --> 1:21:50.320 They looked up to you. 1:21:50.840 --> 1:21:52.800 But I understand the judges trying to build him up, 1:21:52.800 --> 1:21:54.559 to drag him down in this speech, but it's like, 1:21:54.600 --> 1:21:57.760 fuck that he's not known for that anymore. So then 1:21:57.760 --> 1:22:00.439 he continues, but you had a great duty to them too, 1:22:00.760 --> 1:22:04.479 in particular the girls you committed these offenses against their parents. 1:22:04.600 --> 1:22:06.800 Entrusted them to you, and they also looked up to you. 1:22:06.920 --> 1:22:09.639 I regret to say that you have thwarted their efforts 1:22:10.000 --> 1:22:12.320 and blighted the careers of some of them. 1:22:12.760 --> 1:22:14.360 And that's from the Independent. 1:22:15.240 --> 1:22:18.639 So and this is like amazing to have someone say 1:22:18.640 --> 1:22:21.920 this in the nineties because I'm thinking about the US 1:22:22.080 --> 1:22:26.160 like women's gymnastics team and the lack of like compassion 1:22:26.200 --> 1:22:28.519 we had for someone Biles needing to take a break, 1:22:28.560 --> 1:22:31.760 and like just all of these young girls that were 1:22:31.760 --> 1:22:36.639 abused for decades and like we now are not even 1:22:36.720 --> 1:22:39.759 kind to them and understand the scope of how abuse 1:22:39.800 --> 1:22:43.800 affects people's brains and careers and lives. And yet we 1:22:43.840 --> 1:22:47.000 had a judge in the nineties being able to understand, 1:22:47.120 --> 1:22:50.480 like you fucked these girls like brains up their careers, 1:22:50.560 --> 1:22:53.799 and so kind of a shout out to this judge, 1:22:53.800 --> 1:22:55.639 but also like nothing ever changes. 1:22:55.880 --> 1:22:59.160 It's also just so fucked up, because it's like, you know, 1:22:59.240 --> 1:23:02.120 you're under a micro you know you're you're You're not 1:23:02.320 --> 1:23:04.880 just like US swimming coach, You're like the swimming coach 1:23:04.920 --> 1:23:08.200 in your country. Like you're not just on gymnastics coach, 1:23:08.240 --> 1:23:09.720 You're the head of the fucking. 1:23:09.479 --> 1:23:10.840 US best team. 1:23:11.400 --> 1:23:14.000 You know, like people are looking at you, but they 1:23:14.080 --> 1:23:16.160 don't think they I don't know what it is, like 1:23:16.200 --> 1:23:18.599 the compulsion that they just like are like I have 1:23:18.640 --> 1:23:21.160 to abuse these girls or like cause it's like you're 1:23:21.200 --> 1:23:21.960 gonna get caught. 1:23:22.520 --> 1:23:23.040 And they did. 1:23:23.200 --> 1:23:26.160 But they I mean after decades though, you know what 1:23:26.240 --> 1:23:27.639 I mean, it's decades. 1:23:27.680 --> 1:23:29.160 They get away with it for decades. 1:23:29.200 --> 1:23:32.120 It's not that like, it's not that shocking for them 1:23:32.160 --> 1:23:33.360 to think they would get away with it. 1:23:33.400 --> 1:23:33.960 They have been. 1:23:34.920 --> 1:23:38.839 Yeah, the gymnastics organization in this country abuses its gymnasts 1:23:38.880 --> 1:23:41.000 for decades, like and allowed it to happen. 1:23:41.439 --> 1:23:43.000 So whatever. 1:23:43.080 --> 1:23:47.000 The judge continued, called him a pathetic creature and this abuse, 1:23:47.120 --> 1:23:49.960 like I'm saying, it went back twenty years, and not 1:23:50.080 --> 1:23:52.679 only did he coach them, but also him and his wife, 1:23:52.760 --> 1:23:55.960 Kathleen were appointed assistant house parents to the girls. 1:23:57.280 --> 1:24:02.080 So it's wild and three to just go backwards. 1:24:02.080 --> 1:24:06.479 He joined the University College Swansea as an assistant director 1:24:06.520 --> 1:24:08.519 of pe. It was there that a lot of the 1:24:08.520 --> 1:24:11.080 sexual abuse was carried out on young swimmers who joined 1:24:11.080 --> 1:24:14.160 his advanced training squad. He then left in the fall 1:24:14.200 --> 1:24:17.200 of nineteen ninety one to become head of pe at 1:24:17.200 --> 1:24:21.160 the top Millfield Public School in Somerset. One year later, 1:24:21.240 --> 1:24:23.680 he was suspended from the school and then arrested by 1:24:23.720 --> 1:24:28.880 South Wales detectives investigating indecency allegations made by eight former 1:24:28.920 --> 1:24:32.519 members of his Swansea Advanced Training squad. While waiting for 1:24:32.600 --> 1:24:35.679 his trial to start September nineteen ninety three at Swansea 1:24:35.760 --> 1:24:41.320 Crown Court, he ran away. So this article and they 1:24:41.400 --> 1:24:45.640 use the word absconded and it's like relax, relax, the 1:24:45.680 --> 1:24:49.200 Harold Scotland Okay, but he absconded. 1:24:50.120 --> 1:24:51.880 I had to get my thesaurus out for that. 1:24:52.439 --> 1:24:55.360 So he left quickly to northern France and held a 1:24:55.479 --> 1:24:59.439 job teaching English to businessmen. I really am confused for 1:24:59.560 --> 1:25:02.040 this all. You gotta be fucking kidding me. 1:25:02.160 --> 1:25:05.960 This guy was at another school where he did this 1:25:06.120 --> 1:25:09.599 before he got before the British swim team. 1:25:09.640 --> 1:25:10.000 Stuff. 1:25:10.880 --> 1:25:14.240 What do you mean he's teaching English to businessmen? 1:25:15.120 --> 1:25:15.360 No? 1:25:15.479 --> 1:25:19.120 I but but you were saying he was convicted in 1:25:19.200 --> 1:25:22.360 Cardiff for like all these squad. This is like his 1:25:22.479 --> 1:25:25.040 first squad of girls that he's that he's attacking. 1:25:25.280 --> 1:25:27.559 He went to Success, so he went to the second 1:25:27.680 --> 1:25:31.000 school and that and then that's when the girls that 1:25:31.040 --> 1:25:34.400 were abused in his first school all came together and 1:25:34.520 --> 1:25:37.400 they made the claims got it okay? 1:25:37.680 --> 1:25:39.280 And that I thought he was Like I thought he 1:25:39.280 --> 1:25:41.960 had eight eight allegations and then went to another school 1:25:41.960 --> 1:25:43.840 and had fifteen allegations, and I was like, what the fuck? 1:25:43.880 --> 1:25:45.240 How did they let him into that school? 1:25:45.520 --> 1:25:47.800 No, the allegations didn't come out till he was at 1:25:47.800 --> 1:25:51.120 his second school. But then this school is like teaching businessmen. 1:25:51.200 --> 1:25:53.839 But I also don't know. I mean, he absconded whatever, 1:25:53.880 --> 1:25:57.600 he ran away, But how even with an ID do 1:25:57.680 --> 1:26:00.760 you get to go to France. You can't even leave 1:26:00.800 --> 1:26:03.120 the state if you're arrested in the US. Like, I 1:26:03.200 --> 1:26:04.840 just don't get how he got to France and was 1:26:04.880 --> 1:26:05.760 able to get a job. 1:26:07.520 --> 1:26:08.360 It's confusing. 1:26:09.120 --> 1:26:13.920 Yeah, maybe they weren't extraditing yet or something, because I 1:26:13.960 --> 1:26:17.120 feel like if it's European Union, there's probably extraditionals, right, 1:26:17.160 --> 1:26:17.639 I don't know. 1:26:18.280 --> 1:26:21.759 So detectives made appeals for information. They showed his photo 1:26:21.800 --> 1:26:25.280 on bbctv's Crime Watch. It was a show, and then 1:26:25.479 --> 1:26:28.040 other swimmers began to come forward. So once his photo 1:26:28.160 --> 1:26:31.759 was shared, so many allegations that led to more charges 1:26:32.280 --> 1:26:35.519 and then South Wales Police made worldwide notice to trace 1:26:35.640 --> 1:26:38.879 him and he was re arrested in Sherwood Forest. 1:26:39.720 --> 1:26:41.439 I think that's what robinhood is from. 1:26:41.520 --> 1:26:44.920 It's like what yeah, So. 1:26:44.880 --> 1:26:47.840 He was arrested, but after being on the run for 1:26:47.880 --> 1:26:53.040 fifteen months while holding down a job in France, but 1:26:53.120 --> 1:26:58.240 he was rearrested. So this dude's escape, recapture, trial, subsequent 1:26:58.280 --> 1:27:02.360 imprisonment all came after a South Wales police officer was 1:27:02.400 --> 1:27:06.439 attending a social event and he heard rumors about the 1:27:06.439 --> 1:27:09.960 coach's perverted behavior. So gossip is good, thank you very much. 1:27:10.720 --> 1:27:13.639 He wrote a report to the senior officers naming four 1:27:13.680 --> 1:27:17.400 young women as possible contacts. He also was personally connected 1:27:17.439 --> 1:27:20.160 to this case because his daughter was a promising swimmer 1:27:20.200 --> 1:27:21.719 and one time worked with Hickson. 1:27:22.600 --> 1:27:22.840 Wow. 1:27:23.080 --> 1:27:25.600 So after the report, the detectives got to work and 1:27:25.640 --> 1:27:29.320 they were discreet but extensive, and they found so much 1:27:29.360 --> 1:27:33.800 stuff the Herald called a grotesque catalog of indecency and 1:27:33.880 --> 1:27:38.040 sex attacks spread over fifteen years, starting in nineteen seventy six. 1:27:39.320 --> 1:27:42.320 The trial was three weeks. Thirteen women came forward to 1:27:42.360 --> 1:27:46.519 accuse him. Nine complainants gave evidence to his indecency. He 1:27:46.600 --> 1:27:48.800 did tests where he ordered the swimmers to take off 1:27:48.840 --> 1:27:51.840 their bikini tops and bras before touching their breasts and 1:27:51.880 --> 1:27:55.440 committing other assaults. One recalled how he would give massages 1:27:55.479 --> 1:27:59.080 for a muscle injury and then attack. Then he attacked 1:27:59.080 --> 1:28:02.240 her when she was sixteen years old. He also attacked 1:28:02.240 --> 1:28:04.559 the same girl in a hotel bedroom after a swimming 1:28:04.600 --> 1:28:08.320 competition in Barnett, North London. She didn't tell her parents 1:28:08.320 --> 1:28:10.800 because she thought her career would be finished. She knew 1:28:10.800 --> 1:28:12.840 if she told her dad that he wouldn't allow her 1:28:12.880 --> 1:28:14.320 to work with him, and he was the best in 1:28:14.360 --> 1:28:16.760 the country and if it didn't happen for her now, 1:28:16.800 --> 1:28:18.719 she would never be able to succeed as a swimmer. 1:28:19.080 --> 1:28:21.160 So that's like another layer. Not only is it like 1:28:21.280 --> 1:28:23.959 power and looking up to these people and in sports 1:28:24.000 --> 1:28:27.680 like coaches are everything, but it's like your whole career, 1:28:28.000 --> 1:28:31.719 like you might not be able to like do your dream. 1:28:32.240 --> 1:28:35.599 And so there was a fourteen year old who endured 1:28:35.600 --> 1:28:37.759 his assaults and she was too scared to say anything 1:28:38.080 --> 1:28:40.800 because he threatened to spread untrue rumors about her having 1:28:40.840 --> 1:28:42.439 sex with her boyfriend. 1:28:42.360 --> 1:28:44.280 Which you know, to a fourteen year old. 1:28:45.640 --> 1:28:46.160 Is a lot. 1:28:46.439 --> 1:28:48.920 So another top swimmer was fifteen when he tried to 1:28:49.000 --> 1:28:52.360 rape her on a changing table before committing a different. 1:28:52.080 --> 1:28:53.439 Sexual act against her. 1:28:53.960 --> 1:28:56.360 Another woman said how he would rape her at his 1:28:56.560 --> 1:28:59.320 home during school lunch breaks, and the first time was 1:28:59.360 --> 1:29:04.719 when she was thirteen. These coach then persuaded her mother 1:29:04.840 --> 1:29:07.439 to put her on the pill, saying it would boost 1:29:07.479 --> 1:29:08.760 her swimming performance. 1:29:09.080 --> 1:29:13.160 Oh my god, don't want to get caught. 1:29:13.400 --> 1:29:16.439 So this dude was convicted September nineteen ninety five. He 1:29:16.520 --> 1:29:18.599 tried to get parole in two thousand and two and 1:29:18.640 --> 1:29:19.559 he did not get it. 1:29:19.680 --> 1:29:20.360 He is dead. 1:29:20.400 --> 1:29:23.639 He died in England in two thousand and eight, and like, 1:29:23.720 --> 1:29:25.519 so I couldn't find. 1:29:25.320 --> 1:29:25.840 Where he was. 1:29:25.880 --> 1:29:28.519 So I looked at Wikipedia to just see if he's 1:29:28.560 --> 1:29:30.120 dead or where he's serving his time. 1:29:30.760 --> 1:29:32.479 And it bothered me. 1:29:32.560 --> 1:29:33.640 So, like you go on Wikipedia. 1:29:33.680 --> 1:29:36.760 In the first like little paragraph is he was a 1:29:36.760 --> 1:29:39.679 swim coach and Olympics and then the rape and it's like, no, 1:29:39.800 --> 1:29:41.080 the rape takes priority. 1:29:41.240 --> 1:29:42.840 Yeah, Like are you fucking kidding me? 1:29:42.960 --> 1:29:46.120 So I know all you Wikipedia changers are listening, and 1:29:46.200 --> 1:29:49.400 I hope you guys fucking change this. I think if 1:29:49.439 --> 1:29:53.600 you commit rape, that takes over your career stuff. It 1:29:53.640 --> 1:29:57.280 should be convicted rapist formerly known as a coach, like 1:29:57.520 --> 1:30:02.320 to have multiple paragraphs about his like coaching experience in 1:30:02.439 --> 1:30:04.479 life before the rape is fucked up. 1:30:05.160 --> 1:30:07.320 He's a rapist. That is what he should be known for. 1:30:08.160 --> 1:30:10.960 And it sucks that like the swimmers had to work 1:30:11.040 --> 1:30:13.920 under him, and like hopefully their medals are not fully tainted. 1:30:13.960 --> 1:30:15.720 I mean, I'm gonna talk about one woman who like 1:30:15.760 --> 1:30:17.800 threw away all her medals because it fucked her up 1:30:17.880 --> 1:30:20.640 so much, and her friend took them out of the 1:30:20.680 --> 1:30:22.880 trash and that's how she still has them today. 1:30:23.400 --> 1:30:25.240 But like, it just bothers me. 1:30:25.320 --> 1:30:29.080 So anyone that's a Wikipedia sleuth fucking change it. And 1:30:29.920 --> 1:30:32.120 there's just so many examples of this at high levels. 1:30:32.160 --> 1:30:35.120 We've talked about the US gymnastics team, but we also 1:30:35.200 --> 1:30:37.959 have like, from two thousand to twenty ten, the USA 1:30:38.040 --> 1:30:43.240 Swimming Network whatever, discipline thirty six coaches for sexual misconduct. 1:30:44.400 --> 1:30:47.439 In nineteen seventy seven, a famed Canadian junior hockey coach 1:30:47.479 --> 1:30:52.759 pled guilty to three hundred and fifty charges of sexual abuse. 1:30:53.360 --> 1:30:54.320 Jesus, that's what. 1:30:54.520 --> 1:30:56.800 That's why when you're like, oh they get caught, they don't. 1:30:57.920 --> 1:31:01.080 They don't. And then and the Cripps, who is now 1:31:01.120 --> 1:31:04.120 known as Catherine Star. She had British parents but was 1:31:04.120 --> 1:31:06.479 born in Wisconsin, and they shipped her off to boarding 1:31:06.479 --> 1:31:08.920 school in London when she was eleven to train with 1:31:08.960 --> 1:31:13.280 the British best coaches, and her coach was Hickson. And 1:31:13.360 --> 1:31:16.799 she started a nonprofit advocacy group based in Santa Monica, 1:31:16.880 --> 1:31:20.719 California called Safe for Athletes, which we'll hear more about 1:31:21.360 --> 1:31:22.400 for what would. 1:31:22.200 --> 1:31:22.840 Sister Peg do? 1:31:23.320 --> 1:31:26.760 So she shunned her swimming past for so long but 1:31:26.880 --> 1:31:29.080 now is able to discuss it freely and she wants 1:31:29.160 --> 1:31:32.080 to help young athletes, and she just really talks about 1:31:32.080 --> 1:31:34.640 the effects of abuse, and you know, she turned to 1:31:34.720 --> 1:31:38.400 drinking and was addicted to alcohol for many years and 1:31:39.000 --> 1:31:42.639 unable to fully even like delve into her trauma until 1:31:42.680 --> 1:31:45.920 she was sober for eighteen months, you know, like that 1:31:45.920 --> 1:31:49.679 that's when finally she started to really realize it. Donna 1:31:49.760 --> 1:31:54.320 Lapiano is Texas's first woman athletic director and headed the 1:31:54.360 --> 1:31:55.679 Women's Sports Foundation. 1:31:56.520 --> 1:31:58.080 And she says that. 1:31:57.920 --> 1:32:00.360 Like she's just trying to expl like she works, she's 1:32:00.400 --> 1:32:03.720 a contributor and helper to save for athletes, and she 1:32:03.880 --> 1:32:06.240 just talks about like the power and balance with coach 1:32:06.320 --> 1:32:09.080 and coaches are gods and you do anything the coach says. 1:32:09.760 --> 1:32:12.880 And for Star, she said, yeah, he went to jail, 1:32:12.920 --> 1:32:15.760 but he never admitted guilt and that it's like really 1:32:15.760 --> 1:32:17.760 hard for her. She was not one of the people 1:32:17.760 --> 1:32:21.120 who testified. She couldn't even tell her parents, and only 1:32:21.160 --> 1:32:24.360 when Hickson called her mother to tell her about what 1:32:24.520 --> 1:32:27.040 was being said about him, and it's like, why would 1:32:27.080 --> 1:32:30.799 you even do that? But that's when she finally revealed 1:32:30.800 --> 1:32:33.360 to her parents what happened to her. And she says, 1:32:33.400 --> 1:32:35.519 in that moment when he raped her. According to the 1:32:35.560 --> 1:32:38.920 American Statesman paper, it was in that moment that my 1:32:39.040 --> 1:32:40.919 soul left me and has never returned. 1:32:41.520 --> 1:32:44.880 And she said that to the London police. And then 1:32:44.880 --> 1:32:46.040 when she finally. 1:32:45.680 --> 1:32:48.320 Called the police to file a report all those years later, 1:32:48.520 --> 1:32:50.479 is when she learned that he was already dead. 1:32:51.200 --> 1:32:52.160 Oh my god. 1:32:53.800 --> 1:33:00.400 But yeah, I all these brave fucking girls wait for 1:33:00.439 --> 1:33:02.840 a host smortom and talk more. 1:33:02.880 --> 1:33:05.240 But like it's so I. 1:33:05.200 --> 1:33:08.200 Just feel like these guys need to have like female 1:33:08.240 --> 1:33:11.000 assistant coaches that are like checking in with the girls like. 1:33:11.080 --> 1:33:13.960 Every day, being like is he doing anything? Like I 1:33:14.040 --> 1:33:15.040 don't know, I mean. 1:33:14.920 --> 1:33:19.120 Not sure there's ways that they get around ever getting caught. 1:33:19.160 --> 1:33:22.240 But also how many s of youse have we seen 1:33:22.240 --> 1:33:25.639 where the women help their male cop partners get away 1:33:25.640 --> 1:33:26.160 with crimes. 1:33:26.160 --> 1:33:26.840 You know, it's like. 1:33:28.360 --> 1:33:33.600 It's really messed up, and it's just the pressures, you know. 1:33:33.880 --> 1:33:35.559 I went on that deep dive with. 1:33:35.840 --> 1:33:39.040 About Sean Johnson on the balance, our balance being queen 1:33:39.760 --> 1:33:43.719 and just like, you know, these girls are fucking young, 1:33:44.120 --> 1:33:49.679 these gymnasts, fourteen fifteen years old, international competition, the hours, 1:33:49.760 --> 1:33:53.280 the pressure, and like the coaches are your home, you're 1:33:53.320 --> 1:33:57.799 there forever, and to exploit that relationship is so sickening. 1:33:57.880 --> 1:34:01.280 And the fact that these like leets are still able 1:34:01.320 --> 1:34:04.720 to perform at such high levels is I don't know 1:34:04.760 --> 1:34:05.559 if impressive is. 1:34:05.479 --> 1:34:08.559 The right word, but yeah, it's really Oh my god, 1:34:09.400 --> 1:34:12.599 I can't imagine it. I just like everybody abuses their 1:34:12.640 --> 1:34:18.040 power whenever they get a fucking chance. But okay, let's 1:34:18.080 --> 1:34:22.520 get to our post mortem. 1:34:22.600 --> 1:34:23.679 So listen. 1:34:24.840 --> 1:34:27.320 When we first saw this episode, we were like, this 1:34:27.439 --> 1:34:30.200 is hysterical. The most powerful lifeguard in the world, Like, 1:34:30.280 --> 1:34:32.800 what is this nonsense? And then once you read the 1:34:32.840 --> 1:34:33.800 real crime, and. 1:34:34.200 --> 1:34:35.280 It's so real. 1:34:36.040 --> 1:34:39.360 Every industry is just like dominated by predators that protect 1:34:39.439 --> 1:34:42.439 each other. And this job is even more susceptible because 1:34:42.439 --> 1:34:45.840 it's young people. It is teens, it's people's first jobs. 1:34:45.560 --> 1:34:48.880 And it's people like wearing bathing suits, and like, you know, 1:34:49.000 --> 1:34:52.639 there's a culture around like beach and lifeguards where everybody, 1:34:52.680 --> 1:34:55.320 I think, thinks this is where I'm going to party, 1:34:55.479 --> 1:34:57.599 this is where you know, like that's I don't think 1:34:57.600 --> 1:35:00.799 that's necessarily how like nurses all act together, for example, 1:35:00.880 --> 1:35:02.679 do you know what I mean? Like there's like a 1:35:02.720 --> 1:35:06.640 young sort of like party culture that has to do 1:35:06.720 --> 1:35:09.000 with lifeguarding in the beach that I feel like is 1:35:09.080 --> 1:35:12.040 an undercurrent where these guys feel like they can do 1:35:12.080 --> 1:35:14.559 whatever the fuck they want because everybody signed up to 1:35:14.600 --> 1:35:16.280 have fun, and it's like, no, it's a job. 1:35:16.720 --> 1:35:18.960 Well, and it's also maybe a little bit connected to 1:35:19.040 --> 1:35:21.840 comedy where it's not as well, not really because it 1:35:21.920 --> 1:35:26.479 is a job, job, but like the lines are blurred, 1:35:26.520 --> 1:35:29.280 like you're on a beach, you're at a venue, you're 1:35:29.600 --> 1:35:34.000 you know, they're like the environment adds to this like 1:35:34.200 --> 1:35:38.800 relaxed vibe when it is still professional. 1:35:39.160 --> 1:35:43.839 Yes, yes, but right, like there's so much. 1:35:43.680 --> 1:35:47.240 That happens in comedy that you just don't even think 1:35:47.360 --> 1:35:48.240 about that. 1:35:48.280 --> 1:35:49.599 You. 1:35:50.360 --> 1:35:52.920 She was explaining about how all the zoos have a 1:35:53.360 --> 1:35:56.240 program of like breeding where they do all these genetic 1:35:56.280 --> 1:35:58.599 tests and then they like ship the animals to different 1:35:58.600 --> 1:36:01.320 places to like, and they don't force it. 1:36:01.320 --> 1:36:02.800 If the animals don't want to breath, they don't breathe. 1:36:03.040 --> 1:36:05.160 But so I went, wait, you're telling me you just 1:36:05.160 --> 1:36:07.120 ship an animal to go fuck at a different zoom 1:36:07.160 --> 1:36:07.880 and bring them back. 1:36:08.320 --> 1:36:09.519 And she seemed shocked. 1:36:09.680 --> 1:36:12.800 And then my friends were like Lisa, and I was like, yeah, 1:36:12.840 --> 1:36:16.000 oh fuck, we are at this person's job. This person's 1:36:16.040 --> 1:36:19.400 probably younger than me by a law, like, and it 1:36:19.680 --> 1:36:21.320 was yeah. 1:36:21.040 --> 1:36:23.720 But no one would think twice about saying that, like 1:36:23.880 --> 1:36:25.240 at a club at a boy even. 1:36:25.120 --> 1:36:25.320 If you. 1:36:27.040 --> 1:36:30.000 Like, oh, I feel like that's normal or like like 1:36:30.080 --> 1:36:32.840 that's normal discussion or you can like say things. And 1:36:32.840 --> 1:36:35.280 then when I knew, I knew a girl when I 1:36:35.320 --> 1:36:37.800 was a salon receptionist that broke up with her boyfriend 1:36:37.880 --> 1:36:39.040 because he called her a bitch. 1:36:40.000 --> 1:36:43.040 And maybe it's like that's her. 1:36:43.000 --> 1:36:44.439 Limit, that's her boundary and she didn't want to be 1:36:44.479 --> 1:36:46.880 spoken to like that, and that is absolutely fair and normal, 1:36:46.920 --> 1:36:51.800 but like, I can't even imagine me clocking it. I 1:36:51.800 --> 1:36:53.639 can't even imagine me clocking that. 1:36:53.680 --> 1:36:54.360 It's an issue. 1:36:54.360 --> 1:36:56.240 If someone said stop being a bitch, I'd be. 1:36:56.200 --> 1:36:58.800 Like, whatever, you know, well yeah, well, I mean yeah, 1:36:58.960 --> 1:37:01.360 context is everything, right, because it's like I'm always like, 1:37:01.439 --> 1:37:03.559 what's up, bitch, Like I'm obviously not saying that in 1:37:03.560 --> 1:37:05.040 a mean way, but if your boyfriend said it to 1:37:05.080 --> 1:37:08.280 you with like venom, like you fucking bitch, like that 1:37:08.400 --> 1:37:10.960 might be a reason to get out, but but. 1:37:10.960 --> 1:37:13.920 It is idiot better, I'd probably be more mad. I'd 1:37:13.920 --> 1:37:14.599 be like, I'm not an. 1:37:14.560 --> 1:37:15.960 Iteat you're right. 1:37:16.000 --> 1:37:18.799 Well, yeah, It's also like that's not the only reason 1:37:18.800 --> 1:37:20.600 they broke up because he said one He said that 1:37:20.640 --> 1:37:21.479 word like no. 1:37:21.560 --> 1:37:24.160 But she had like Disney adult vibes where I just 1:37:24.200 --> 1:37:26.320 remember she was like an innocent type girl. She loved 1:37:26.320 --> 1:37:28.920 the cubs like I. She had cool highlights. But I 1:37:29.000 --> 1:37:31.479 just remember being like, yeah, I'm not putting up with that. 1:37:31.520 --> 1:37:36.960 Like it was we were also very very young, but it. 1:37:36.040 --> 1:37:38.519 I've remembered this now for fifteen years. 1:37:38.800 --> 1:37:39.480 Yeah. 1:37:39.680 --> 1:37:44.000 That I just the way we speak is I think 1:37:44.080 --> 1:37:46.479 looser than people get to speak at their jobs. Like 1:37:46.840 --> 1:37:49.760 sometimes on my social media and YouTube, there's videos of 1:37:50.680 --> 1:37:54.200 like women that help professional like how to speak in 1:37:54.280 --> 1:37:57.479 professional like in professional settings and set boundaries and like 1:37:58.000 --> 1:37:59.599 that you don't have to tell someone what you're doing 1:37:59.600 --> 1:38:02.160 on your life break or not working over time without 1:38:02.160 --> 1:38:03.840 getting paid. And it's like how to say and people 1:38:03.880 --> 1:38:06.040 be like, how do you say this in professionals speak? 1:38:06.080 --> 1:38:09.519 And then they'll like help you, And I'm like, I 1:38:09.520 --> 1:38:11.760 don't think I ever have I don't have to. 1:38:11.880 --> 1:38:13.400 Have to ever really worry about that. 1:38:13.760 --> 1:38:16.320 Yeah, yeah, I get to just say and and the 1:38:16.400 --> 1:38:19.760 things that I have to be professional about I pay 1:38:19.800 --> 1:38:22.840 people to do that, right, Like, if there's something that 1:38:22.920 --> 1:38:25.000 needs to be professional, I don't need to speak there's 1:38:25.040 --> 1:38:28.920 like a lawyer, right, you know, And so I there is, 1:38:29.080 --> 1:38:31.920 but there is no charge, there's no there's no protections. 1:38:31.960 --> 1:38:33.760 I guess like if someone just doesn't like you, they 1:38:33.800 --> 1:38:35.519 can And. 1:38:35.520 --> 1:38:38.080 There's been a fair share of horrible shit that's gone 1:38:38.080 --> 1:38:40.120 on in our industry too, so it's not like we're 1:38:40.160 --> 1:38:42.679 not we're not immune to it at all. 1:38:42.920 --> 1:38:44.400 But not immune to the issues. 1:38:44.439 --> 1:38:46.960 But I think it's like a perk that but I 1:38:47.040 --> 1:38:49.320 like the perks of like you can say, I don't 1:38:49.320 --> 1:38:52.200 have to send the threshold were what I want Yeah, 1:38:52.240 --> 1:38:55.200 the threshold is higher for inappropriateness for sure. 1:38:55.400 --> 1:38:58.640 Like it's not it's not verbal, it's not like in clothing. 1:38:58.880 --> 1:39:01.680 It's exactly. It's like it's pretty much an action. Like 1:39:01.720 --> 1:39:05.160 if you do something, then you're gonna get repercussions in 1:39:05.200 --> 1:39:08.600 our business, but almost anything you say is probably not 1:39:08.680 --> 1:39:11.519 gonna hurt you that much, unless you're Kathy Griffin and 1:39:11.520 --> 1:39:15.840 you hold a picture of a bloody you know, president's 1:39:15.880 --> 1:39:17.320 head and then you get canceled for a year. 1:39:17.320 --> 1:39:18.840 But now she's back and she's on tour. 1:39:19.439 --> 1:39:24.920 But I think this episode also, you know, you. 1:39:24.720 --> 1:39:28.280 Go a little bit of power helping each other, and 1:39:28.320 --> 1:39:32.720 then I guess the donations really get favors. 1:39:33.080 --> 1:39:37.559 Like yeah, like the political stuff was so was so wild, 1:39:37.680 --> 1:39:40.759 but I mean that's like anything like removing the lifeguard 1:39:40.840 --> 1:39:44.439 funniness of it, Like yeah, just people being like think. 1:39:44.200 --> 1:39:46.840 Twice before you ruin this guy's life and stuff like that. 1:39:46.880 --> 1:39:49.559 It's like what about the lives of the people who 1:39:49.640 --> 1:39:53.960 are dead or the people who have been like you know, 1:39:54.080 --> 1:39:57.120 a sexually assaulted to stay in their jobs or whatever. 1:39:57.240 --> 1:39:59.400 You know, Like that's not that you need to get 1:39:59.479 --> 1:40:02.000 over that. You need to why didn't you report it sooner. 1:40:02.360 --> 1:40:06.080 You should have gotten it together try like processed it, 1:40:06.240 --> 1:40:09.120 gone to the authorities and been fine for core and 1:40:09.160 --> 1:40:12.080 saved all the evidence, immediately paid for your own rape 1:40:12.120 --> 1:40:17.080 kit to be tested. Like what the expectations on victims is? 1:40:18.439 --> 1:40:21.719 It's wild if we were just a little bit nicer. 1:40:22.080 --> 1:40:25.760 Just I wish the patriarchy wasn't so strong, like just 1:40:25.840 --> 1:40:26.720 having compassion. 1:40:26.840 --> 1:40:31.559 I just hate the like suck it up, tough it out. 1:40:31.760 --> 1:40:32.400 I did it. 1:40:32.400 --> 1:40:34.320 It was worse when I did, and I'm fine. Like 1:40:34.400 --> 1:40:36.879 that attitude is like can it die already? 1:40:37.439 --> 1:40:39.800 Yeah, hopefully it dies with the boomers because that's a 1:40:39.840 --> 1:40:40.720 real boomer. 1:40:40.400 --> 1:40:43.920 Attitude, because I feel like business culture took over. Hustle 1:40:43.960 --> 1:40:48.720 culture is the new boomer culture. Nothing matters. There's a 1:40:48.760 --> 1:40:52.360 reason a Porsche's only two seats and the bus fits everyone. 1:40:52.520 --> 1:40:56.240 Cut people out. You know you're not the smartest person 1:40:56.320 --> 1:40:58.960 in the ruby. Better move, bitch. Like it's like this 1:40:59.200 --> 1:41:04.800 weird attitude where I guess, yeah, just no emo, like, no. 1:41:06.400 --> 1:41:11.360 No reflection on yourself, no growth. Yeah, the hustle for 1:41:11.479 --> 1:41:14.400 the hustle above all else. I guess, like nothing else 1:41:14.479 --> 1:41:16.080 matters besides what wealth. 1:41:17.360 --> 1:41:17.760 I don't know. 1:41:17.800 --> 1:41:20.120 It is hard though, because then sometimes you see people 1:41:20.120 --> 1:41:21.880 and you're like, fuck, that is so cool your work. 1:41:21.960 --> 1:41:24.880 Like I watch all these Kobe Bryant clips and it's 1:41:24.960 --> 1:41:30.040 like listen algorithms and so uh and he was so 1:41:30.240 --> 1:41:33.479 intense and it is inspiring to see someone working out 1:41:33.520 --> 1:41:36.080 harder than everyone, pushing everyone to the max. But then 1:41:36.120 --> 1:41:39.760 it's also like I would rather have friends and be 1:41:39.840 --> 1:41:41.000 nice to people around me. 1:41:41.240 --> 1:41:44.719 I don't know, But then, well, we can't all be Kobe. 1:41:45.120 --> 1:41:47.360 Yeah, we're not destined to be one of the greatest 1:41:47.439 --> 1:41:50.360 NBA athletes of all time. I think that's probably you know, 1:41:50.439 --> 1:41:54.200 that's a very specific person it is, and it's yeah. 1:41:54.000 --> 1:41:55.880 But those are the people we look up to, and 1:41:55.920 --> 1:41:59.080 then it's hard not to feel inferior at times. 1:41:59.600 --> 1:42:03.880 Yeah, and then I think, also those people get power complexes. 1:42:03.960 --> 1:42:06.280 And then that's where like I think some not not 1:42:06.360 --> 1:42:07.720 him specifically. 1:42:07.160 --> 1:42:10.599 But like him he is what he did commit a crime. 1:42:10.880 --> 1:42:15.479 Yeah, he definitely did commit a crime. But even with 1:42:15.520 --> 1:42:18.320 the Geordan like, I'd rather be Shack that I think that, 1:42:18.400 --> 1:42:20.320 I think I have to go get some Shack posters. 1:42:20.400 --> 1:42:21.080 I don't remember. 1:42:21.280 --> 1:42:24.679 Shaq is a funny like a funny piece of merch. 1:42:26.840 --> 1:42:28.759 I want to be doing commercials with the General. 1:42:28.840 --> 1:42:29.639 I don't care. 1:42:29.880 --> 1:42:32.680 Get me that little cartoon general and let's roll, Like, 1:42:33.360 --> 1:42:33.720 let me. 1:42:33.760 --> 1:42:37.840 Just buy people shit at Target and hang out. But 1:42:37.920 --> 1:42:40.160 like Kobe and Shaq had a lot of issues which 1:42:40.200 --> 1:42:42.680 I didn't know about, because Shaq Shack would be like, 1:42:42.680 --> 1:42:44.280 give me the ball, and Kobe would be saying, you 1:42:44.280 --> 1:42:45.000 don't work hard enough. 1:42:45.000 --> 1:42:48.240 I'm not giving you the fucking ball. Oh, he goes. 1:42:48.280 --> 1:42:51.000 If Shack worked harder, we would have had twelve championship rings. 1:42:51.040 --> 1:42:53.200 He's like, it annoys me, Shack doesn't work harder, and 1:42:53.240 --> 1:42:53.840 Shaq's like. 1:42:53.920 --> 1:42:54.479 I'm chilling. 1:42:55.520 --> 1:42:55.680 Yeah. 1:42:55.880 --> 1:42:57.679 And it's not like Shaq wasn't one of the greatest, 1:42:57.760 --> 1:42:59.240 you know what I mean. Like that's the thing. 1:42:59.880 --> 1:43:02.360 I don't know. It's your work to live. 1:43:02.479 --> 1:43:04.599 You live to work. You know, there's different. 1:43:04.640 --> 1:43:08.360 But also like maybe Shack had more like inherent nate, 1:43:08.479 --> 1:43:12.200 like like inborn talent, and Kobe had to work harder 1:43:12.240 --> 1:43:15.719 for it. You know, who knows if we're talking about basketball, 1:43:15.760 --> 1:43:16.519 I certainly don't know. 1:43:16.880 --> 1:43:17.920 Like I'm not the answer. 1:43:20.720 --> 1:43:22.719 This has become a full sports tailor. 1:43:22.840 --> 1:43:26.799 This is a this is a sports philosophy podcast. 1:43:26.840 --> 1:43:30.400 Now, all right, just certain people's work ethics are so inspiring, 1:43:30.600 --> 1:43:33.519 and it's hard if there's this hard balance of like, no, 1:43:33.560 --> 1:43:35.080 I want to be in the moment and content and 1:43:35.160 --> 1:43:35.759 enjoy stuff. 1:43:35.800 --> 1:43:36.960 And then what's the other balance of. 1:43:36.920 --> 1:43:39.200 Like you are you're not actually working hard enough and 1:43:39.240 --> 1:43:44.040 you are coasting and you're not taking the the opportunities 1:43:44.040 --> 1:43:45.920 you have in the way you have. It's like, I 1:43:46.280 --> 1:43:49.640 just wish all the voices weren't like so loud all 1:43:49.680 --> 1:43:51.479 the time of like what you're doing now, And then 1:43:51.640 --> 1:43:55.439 I guess that's also being like self involved. Yeah, I 1:43:55.479 --> 1:43:57.439 find other things to think about. I wouldn't be thinking 1:43:57.439 --> 1:44:01.200 about how much harder I should work on stuff. But 1:44:01.240 --> 1:44:03.240 then you know, all day it's like I don't write shit, 1:44:03.320 --> 1:44:04.720 and then I and then I go I went to 1:44:04.720 --> 1:44:06.320 the store last night and I had like the best 1:44:06.320 --> 1:44:08.040 set ever, had so much fun. And then I'm like, 1:44:08.360 --> 1:44:10.360 I guess I could just be a couch potato. And 1:44:10.360 --> 1:44:12.240 then I get home, I'm like, oh, you know, I 1:44:12.240 --> 1:44:13.920 don't know. It's like I don't know how. 1:44:13.760 --> 1:44:14.880 People do it well. 1:44:14.920 --> 1:44:16.840 It's also a little bit of eyes on your own paper. 1:44:16.880 --> 1:44:19.120 Everybody's do everybody does things in a different way. You 1:44:19.160 --> 1:44:20.840 write and come up with comedy in a very different 1:44:20.880 --> 1:44:23.240 way than other people who sit every morning and write 1:44:23.320 --> 1:44:25.880 seven pages a stream of consciousness writing, and then they 1:44:25.880 --> 1:44:27.200 see what they can get out of that and like 1:44:27.400 --> 1:44:29.479 that's just not you, and like, you know, that doesn't 1:44:29.560 --> 1:44:32.000 mean you're better or worse than anyone. In fact, I 1:44:32.000 --> 1:44:33.960 think it means like your brain works in a very 1:44:33.960 --> 1:44:36.200 different way than those people who have to just like 1:44:36.479 --> 1:44:38.439 put nose to the grindstone and work harder at it 1:44:38.439 --> 1:44:41.160 where there's for you, like almost like any more ease 1:44:41.280 --> 1:44:42.519 to it, where it just comes to you. 1:44:42.640 --> 1:44:43.639 That's the way your brain works. 1:44:43.640 --> 1:44:45.680 Should I have a new bit. It's just like I 1:44:45.760 --> 1:44:48.839 want to hang out with the chill people. 1:44:49.760 --> 1:44:52.439 Yeah, but you can still look over us, the hard 1:44:52.439 --> 1:44:54.240 workers once in a while and go, hey, great job. 1:44:54.400 --> 1:44:55.920 I love what you're doing. I'm not gonna do it, 1:44:55.960 --> 1:44:58.040 but I like I see I see how you're hustling. 1:44:58.520 --> 1:45:01.240 You know. I know I want to be maybe pushed 1:45:01.280 --> 1:45:04.240 against the corner where I feel someone scheduled me the 1:45:04.280 --> 1:45:04.680 whole day. 1:45:04.680 --> 1:45:07.680 I would do it. Yeah, I'm if you were to 1:45:07.960 --> 1:45:08.959 schedule myself. 1:45:09.040 --> 1:45:11.800 Yeah, if you were called onto a set, you show up, 1:45:11.800 --> 1:45:13.840 you do your work day, You work long hours when 1:45:13.840 --> 1:45:15.240 you're when you're filming something. 1:45:16.160 --> 1:45:17.240 You know, we're just we. 1:45:17.240 --> 1:45:18.559 All, we all guess what. 1:45:18.600 --> 1:45:21.960 I begged my people for what I said, where's my 1:45:22.000 --> 1:45:26.200 white Lotus audition? I go, where's my white lotus audition? 1:45:26.360 --> 1:45:28.080 I go, I don't think i'd get it, but where's 1:45:28.120 --> 1:45:29.120 my audition? Bitch? 1:45:29.240 --> 1:45:30.400 And a tape? 1:45:30.880 --> 1:45:32.720 And they were like, we're trying. There's really not a 1:45:32.760 --> 1:45:34.880 lot of parts for it's just she's like it's in. 1:45:35.560 --> 1:45:37.760 She's like, don't worry, we've been on it. And I go, well, 1:45:38.200 --> 1:45:42.160 there's not one diner somewhere in Thailand. 1:45:42.840 --> 1:45:45.240 No, you're right, he's just working at a Thai diner. 1:45:46.040 --> 1:45:46.160 Man. 1:45:46.160 --> 1:45:47.640 They didn't get me the breath. They didn't get me 1:45:47.680 --> 1:45:50.160 the Thai waitress audition. 1:45:50.080 --> 1:45:53.439 But also like the top show, the best show ever. 1:45:53.560 --> 1:45:56.639 But I am like, I think, if someone's gonna play 1:45:56.640 --> 1:45:59.400 a dumb bitch, let me get a show. Let me 1:45:59.400 --> 1:46:02.639 throw my hat at totally. This audition I did this 1:46:02.720 --> 1:46:04.640 morning was for I guess we're not allowed to talk 1:46:04.640 --> 1:46:06.320 about it, but it was for like a cute lizard, 1:46:06.320 --> 1:46:07.800 and I was like, I would love this too. 1:46:11.000 --> 1:46:12.439 Oh my god, Liza, I want you to become the 1:46:12.479 --> 1:46:15.400 new guy Goo Gecko. Okay, let's move on. 1:46:16.000 --> 1:46:17.920 Well, I would be so rich, we would be on 1:46:17.960 --> 1:46:19.680 below debt, we would be everywhere. 1:46:19.800 --> 1:46:21.760 Oh my god, we'd be having so much fun. 1:46:22.040 --> 1:46:23.559 If I was the Geico Gecko. 1:46:23.800 --> 1:46:25.599 I mean, we need one of us to get that 1:46:25.680 --> 1:46:28.080 flow progressive job where you never are going to work 1:46:28.120 --> 1:46:30.040 again doing anything else, but you're just gonna make those 1:46:30.040 --> 1:46:32.000 commercials for ten years. 1:46:32.320 --> 1:46:37.200 Oh yeah, we would. We would really have fun. Because 1:46:37.240 --> 1:46:40.400 some people don't know how to spend their money. Yeah, 1:46:40.439 --> 1:46:45.840 you don't. I think I spend what I have. But 1:46:46.800 --> 1:46:49.200 Kara's wild. She she did help me clean out my car. 1:46:49.320 --> 1:46:51.360 It was very nice. She did it so fast. It 1:46:51.400 --> 1:46:55.760 truly has been eating at me forever. But then you 1:46:55.800 --> 1:46:57.559 did grab my jean jacket and you're like, I can 1:46:57.720 --> 1:46:59.000 I can sell this for you if you want. 1:46:59.040 --> 1:47:02.280 I'm like, put the den down. Put the denim down. 1:47:03.040 --> 1:47:05.360 I was going through and I was like, okay, beach towel, 1:47:06.040 --> 1:47:07.120 pair of underwear, whatever. 1:47:07.160 --> 1:47:08.120 And then I was like this done them. 1:47:08.120 --> 1:47:09.320 You know I could get good money for this on 1:47:09.360 --> 1:47:11.920 the market, like on the on the mom market in 1:47:12.000 --> 1:47:17.160 Northeast La. Okay, let's move on to what would sister 1:47:17.200 --> 1:47:20.880 Peg do? Speaking of, you know, spending money or donating money. 1:47:20.880 --> 1:47:23.360 It's a new year, hopefully for the holiday season, you can. 1:47:23.479 --> 1:47:25.400 I want to know how many homes Marishka has. 1:47:25.400 --> 1:47:26.760 Do you think about that? Oh? 1:47:26.880 --> 1:47:29.080 For sure, because yesterday one of our friends texted us 1:47:29.080 --> 1:47:31.960 while we were recording and said, I just passed marishka 1:47:31.960 --> 1:47:34.439 har husband on the street while I was listening to 1:47:34.479 --> 1:47:36.200 your podcast, and I was thinking, Oh, I wonder if 1:47:36.240 --> 1:47:38.759 they They definitely still have a place in Manhattan, right. 1:47:39.000 --> 1:47:44.639 Manhattan, La Long Island. And then for me, it there's 1:47:44.840 --> 1:47:50.240 no way maybe a yeah, yeah, you're that rich, Like. 1:47:50.200 --> 1:47:51.000 What do you do? 1:47:51.760 --> 1:47:54.000 I don't know, there's like full TV shows explaining how 1:47:54.080 --> 1:47:55.200 rich people spend money. I don't know. 1:47:55.240 --> 1:47:56.559 I'm acting like I've never. 1:47:56.479 --> 1:47:58.960 But yeah, I'm clarious. 1:47:59.120 --> 1:48:01.160 Well, because the thing is this is that she continues 1:48:01.200 --> 1:48:04.200 to work, and she could stop working tomorrow and still 1:48:04.200 --> 1:48:05.640 be a millionaire for the rest of her life just 1:48:05.680 --> 1:48:08.000 on residuals. And how much like that show gets played 1:48:08.040 --> 1:48:10.160 on ten different channels all the fucking time. 1:48:10.680 --> 1:48:10.880 You know? 1:48:12.040 --> 1:48:14.400 Oh, I know, because she's not only like she's an 1:48:14.439 --> 1:48:17.160 executive producer of some of them or like a director 1:48:17.200 --> 1:48:18.679 of some of them, you know, So it's not even 1:48:18.720 --> 1:48:21.759 just acting anyway. Let's get into our what would Sister 1:48:21.760 --> 1:48:24.320 peg do? This is our weekly segment where we direct 1:48:24.400 --> 1:48:29.960 you towards a resource, blog, post book, podcast, episode something 1:48:29.960 --> 1:48:31.479 to give you more info about what we talked about 1:48:31.520 --> 1:48:33.720 today and maybe an organization that you can help. And 1:48:33.800 --> 1:48:36.720 this week we wanted to point you to the organization 1:48:36.920 --> 1:48:40.040 Safe for Athletes. That's safe and then the Number four 1:48:40.120 --> 1:48:42.799 and then athletes And this is the organization that Lisa 1:48:42.840 --> 1:48:46.280 mentioned earlier that was started by you know, a victim 1:48:46.479 --> 1:48:50.960 of a coach, you know, sexual assault. So this is 1:48:51.000 --> 1:48:54.439 a nonprofit providing a safe and positive environment for athletes 1:48:54.479 --> 1:48:57.800 free of abuse, bullying, and harassment. Their goal is to 1:48:57.880 --> 1:49:00.240 create a space to empower athletes to be joy full 1:49:00.240 --> 1:49:04.240 in sport. The organization provides training, fundraising, and advocacy. You 1:49:04.240 --> 1:49:07.120 can also report abuse at their website. So if there's 1:49:07.240 --> 1:49:10.200 you know, like sometimes it feels difficult in US where 1:49:10.600 --> 1:49:15.280 some schools, some like states and governments the coaches are gods, 1:49:15.280 --> 1:49:17.880 So who do you tell? This is a website where 1:49:17.920 --> 1:49:20.120 you can get some more resources and get some help. 1:49:20.200 --> 1:49:23.200 So for more info go to Safe the Number four, 1:49:23.320 --> 1:49:26.200 Athletes dot org, Save for Athletes dot org and that 1:49:26.240 --> 1:49:30.040 will be posted on our Instagram stories the day of 1:49:30.120 --> 1:49:32.679 it's in our show notes and it'll be safe forever 1:49:32.720 --> 1:49:36.160 in our WWSPD highlight on our Instagram page. 1:49:36.680 --> 1:49:38.800 Thank you so much for that, and next week we 1:49:38.840 --> 1:49:42.920 will be doing an uplifting episode called baby Killer, Season two, 1:49:43.120 --> 1:49:48.120 Episode five. Join us on this amazing journey. Thanks for 1:49:48.720 --> 1:49:51.439 coming in with us into twenty twenty four and we 1:49:51.520 --> 1:49:54.519 hope to do this for as long as s few 1:49:54.640 --> 1:49:58.480 keeps churning them out for us. 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