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Speaker 1: Welcome to Tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio

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Speaker 1: and I love all things tech and today would normally

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Speaker 1: be a tech news day for Thursday twenty one, but

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Speaker 1: I thought I'd do something a little different. This episode

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Speaker 1: will be shorter than a normal tech Stuff episode, but

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Speaker 1: it does tie into something that was in the news

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Speaker 1: this week, and so it's more like a commentary and

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Speaker 1: point of view on the news. And earlier this week,

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Speaker 1: the head of finance at game developer and publisher Ubisoft

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Speaker 1: said on a call with investors that producing three to

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Speaker 1: four premium triple A game titles per year is quote

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Speaker 1: no longer a proper indication of our value creation dynamics.

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Speaker 1: In the quote, Um, that's not easy to parse language,

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Speaker 1: ain't it. I mean, it's got all sorts of corporate

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Speaker 1: speak in there. But what's actually being said here is

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Speaker 1: that the old classic model where a company produces a

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Speaker 1: premium title and then relies exclusively on sales of that title,

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Speaker 1: is more or less a thing of the past, and

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Speaker 1: it's important we walk through this now. I did some

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Speaker 1: episodes about the history of Ubisoft last year, I think,

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Speaker 1: and this is kind of an addendum to that in

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Speaker 1: a way, because it's a a look at how the

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Speaker 1: company is viewing its future. I should also point out

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Speaker 1: that a lot of folks have actually covered this story

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Speaker 1: pretty thoroughly, a lot of Pierce, who works at Sony

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Speaker 1: Santa Monica, did a fantastic breakdown explanation of what's going

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Speaker 1: on from an industry for Inspective. I highly recommend you

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Speaker 1: go to YouTube and check out her video. It's titled

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Ubisoft Going free Play. I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: going over some of the same ground that she does,

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Speaker 1: but she's super good at this, and if you're not

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Speaker 1: familiar with her work, you should check it out. She

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Speaker 1: does all sorts of stuff um with her channel, mostly

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Speaker 1: to kind of relate to the video games industry, not exclusively,

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Speaker 1: but frequently, and she's got some really good insight on

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Speaker 1: this um having worked both as a games journalist and

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Speaker 1: now working to write video games. So let's consider for

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Speaker 1: a moment the business of making video and computer games,

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Speaker 1: because it has changed dramatically, and keep in mind this

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Speaker 1: is still a relatively young industry, so forty years ago. Okay,

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Speaker 1: maybe not that young man, I'm old. Anyway, forty years ago,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't unusual for a single person to make a game.

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Speaker 1: That person would program the game from start to finish,

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Speaker 1: Ultimate series, they got their start making games and copying

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Speaker 1: their code to diske kets, you know, like five and

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Speaker 1: would then go to their local hobby stores, which would

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Speaker 1: You would even find bulletin boards where these bags would

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Speaker 1: purchase a computer game this way. But obviously that approach

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Speaker 1: Then the publishers would distribute that game title to various

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Speaker 1: which was incredibly clever. Now, typically a shareware title would

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Speaker 1: no surprise that Ubisoft is making a larger move toward

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Speaker 1: that direction. Now, does this mean that the era of

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Speaker 1: forward to be about this ongoing experience and and more

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Speaker 1: consistently an online multiplayer experience, one that encourages players to

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Speaker 1: and some of these games are exploring storytelling in really

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Speaker 1: interesting ways. Some represent a smaller experience, something that has

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Speaker 1: I think we're going to see a mixture of these approaches,

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Speaker 1: for the whole free to play movement, if I don't

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Speaker 1: So for certain titles like Assassin's Creed, it's heavily dependent

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Speaker 1: Like Assassin's Creed Black Flag was a pirate Assassin's Creed,

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Speaker 1: let me know, do you think the free to play

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Speaker 1: Do you like it? Do you hate it? Are there

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Speaker 1: it for this episode. Uh. Usually I would just do

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Speaker 1: in fact a business and so we have to admit that,

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Speaker 1: you know, we have to acknowledge that and not just

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Speaker 1: say that this is something about, you know, creating entertainment

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Speaker 1: for any altruistic purposes or whatever. But um yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: curious to hear what you all think, so let me

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Speaker 1: know and we will be back next week with more

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Speaker 1: episodes of tech Stuff, including our usual news episodes. And

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