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Speaker 1: The world's of biget tanks. Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. Jeff'son

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Speaker 4: Okay, Hey, how you doing guys?

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Speaker 5: Do you know who we drafted since mac Jones has

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Speaker 5: been up and Patriots on the opensive side?

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Speaker 6: Free Dixons to Mario Douglas, Kashawan Boody and Taekwondo clo.

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Speaker 7: Okay, that's the weapons.

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Speaker 8: What about reminder Stevens Washington General, he beat you with

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Speaker 8: Parker because he knows to be the Who's Patrick Mahomes'

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Speaker 8: third down back?

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Speaker 9: Jerck mckinnony is pretty good?

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Speaker 1: Oh really?

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Speaker 8: What's he got twelve catches.

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Speaker 9: And was created last year in the playoffs.

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Speaker 8: Who's Joe Burrow's third down back?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Jeff, Jeff.

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Speaker 8: All the stuff about mac is is point he didn't produce.

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Speaker 8: Look at it. Go back and look at it and

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Speaker 8: tell me that. Show me the production.

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Speaker 9: I don't disagree, i't I don't disagree with his point.

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Speaker 9: No one can even talk except for you, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff.

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Speaker 1: Listen, Jeff, Jeff, Now, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Fine, hold on,

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Speaker 1: hold on, hold hold up.

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Speaker 8: You talk, then Fred talks. You talk, and Fred talks.

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Speaker 8: You can't just talk all the time. No one can

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Speaker 8: hear anything.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 1: That was Patriots Unfiltered yesterday.

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Speaker 8: No, that pretty much summed up the day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you didn't hear it, you can go back

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Speaker 1: and listen to the whole call.

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Speaker 8: Fred desperately trying to agree with Jeff. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, we're just getting ready for Washington.

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Speaker 1: That's all we're doing today, you know, commanders, We're just

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Speaker 1: getting ready for Washington. That was the refrain today from

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. A lot of people wanted to talk about

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Speaker 1: the trade deadline and personnel and all that stuff.

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Speaker 9: But with the general manager of the team. They want

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Speaker 1: We're focused on Washington. Yeah, and I'm not sure Washington's

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Speaker 1: focused on playing football anymore. Yeah. They trade away. They're

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Speaker 1: trading away key pieces yesterday and apparently to play their

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Speaker 1: think they're pretty good. But you know, it is what

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Speaker 1: it is. This looks like a game that the Patriots

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Speaker 11: That comment stood out to me because, like, oh, so

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Speaker 11: when you feel like you don't really have anything on

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Speaker 11: that season, you just kind of restock and play your

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Speaker 11: to Bill, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but we're not doing that. I mean, we're doing

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Speaker 8: Are hurt, but we're not Ponnel forced to do it.

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Speaker 12: I apologize.

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Speaker 8: There's something to talk about. We'll talk about it.

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Speaker 1: So Bill talked today. Uh, and then Mac Jones just

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Speaker 9: these types of things. I was saying to you guys

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Speaker 12: Sounds like a coach.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, he just can't fix it. That That's kind of

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Speaker 12: It's good trade for a backup quarterback too. You know

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Speaker 8: See what you did there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we we should mention dark some some NFL news

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Speaker 1: that happened overnight.

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Speaker 12: In the middle of the night in Vegas, the City

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Speaker 1: Apparently, I'm not I wouldn't have been surprised if it

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Speaker 9: So it sounds like the final nail in the coffin

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so with four years left in his contract, he's

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Speaker 11: I love Paul say it, but I mean take some time. Yeah, really,

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, like I know, immediate speculation is he'll

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Speaker 1: If I family, I would be like, no, please, no.

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Speaker 8: No, I agree, that's I don't think it's We can

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Speaker 8: and I would say no because of what you just said.

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Speaker 8: But if it's something that everybody's in agreement on and

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Speaker 8: to Penn State. They knew that, right, So there's nobody's

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Speaker 8: toes getting stepped on exactly. If they know that now

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Speaker 8: which I hardly highly doubt they know that right now,

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Speaker 8: then by all means do it again. Yes, yeah, I

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Speaker 8: I'm not saying never come back. I'm saying right now,

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Speaker 11: Especially after last year, Like I would you know, if

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Speaker 11: you know, why to bring Josh in at this point

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Speaker 12: And I think things are going to just be you're

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Speaker 11: But I'd be more interested in maybe discussing some of

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Speaker 12: Things are going with Adrian Clem.

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Speaker 11: We've seen the product on the field, you know, maybe

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Speaker 9: You know, I'm a big carn Brisillo guy. I thought

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Speaker 9: their best line since Scar left was twenty one, which

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Speaker 9: I hear fans that say that, you know, they should

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Speaker 9: not keep on bringing back retreads, right and just keep

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Speaker 9: rehiring these guys. But I think that there's a difference

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Speaker 9: agree with that point that they need to adapt and

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Speaker 9: modernize a little bit on offense. But at the same time, if,

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Speaker 9: Michigan State next year lined up then and Bill's still

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Speaker 9: the coach here, it's gonna be McDaniel's.

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Speaker 8: Like that's just that's just a fact.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean there's only a handful of people

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Speaker 1: that really know what the future of this team is

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Speaker 1: or in it ain't us. Yeah, it's not us. And

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Speaker 1: so all we're doing right now is spitballing, you know.

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Speaker 1: And but I'm dying to find out what's going to

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Speaker 1: happen at the end of this season.

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Speaker 12: I am too, And I hate it.

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Speaker 11: I hate, hate, hate being in the position of having

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Speaker 11: But I just hate having that hangover you, that every

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Speaker 11: You know, like those like each week they win it,

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Speaker 8: I can't get to that in November.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, now that the trade deadline is over, there's

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Speaker 8: I think it's all individually, case by case.

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Speaker 8: Would say that that's how I feel about Dugger. I

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Speaker 9: That the biggest thing to me is like, at some

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Speaker 9: I feel like this football team has gotten into a

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Speaker 1: It seems like they're always looking for the perfect player,

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Speaker 12: Just a couple highlights.

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Speaker 11: From twenty fourteen to twenty nineteen, New England selected nineteen

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Speaker 12: Zero.

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Speaker 1: But there's a third element paul drafting, roster management, but

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Speaker 8: No, That's what I'm saying, Like, so, yeah, you're right,

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Speaker 8: You're absolutely right. But my point is like, if if

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Speaker 8: I think Kyle Duger was a good draft pick, the

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Speaker 1: A pretty pretty good player.

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Speaker 8: My feeling is they don't have a lot of those

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Speaker 11: I think they cover that spectrum, Paul, you know, like

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Speaker 11: You know, Like it's just a second part to this

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Speaker 12: We're left with just Dietrich Wise and Juwant Bentley.

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Speaker 11: So I mean, really for the last like ten years,

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Speaker 12: Of those drafts.

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Speaker 8: And it's hard because, like I said, it's case by case.

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Speaker 9: But I just feel like we're always, you know, it's

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Speaker 8: Right?

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Speaker 9: Why and why does it have to stop there? Like

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Speaker 9: up in like these guys have to be your building

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Speaker 1: You don't have.

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Speaker 8: You don't have to retain him because for whatever reason

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Speaker 1: Not just depending free agent, but guys drafted.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know about I don't know about you,

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Speaker 9: To a second to me, yeah, but it's.

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Speaker 1: What we think should and then what they will do

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Speaker 8: But what happens is I think again it's all case

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Speaker 1: Well no, but I'm just saying, like the exercise.

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Speaker 12: I know Remandre.

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Speaker 1: So like he's he's in a catch twenty two. If

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Speaker 8: Well, but like I could see them going to I

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Speaker 1: Right, but I would count that as good if they

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Speaker 12: You trade it up. You know, you showed value.

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Speaker 1: You're telling the guy you can make more. Some money now,

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Speaker 12: No, I don't know if he's gonna be starting in

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Speaker 9: The fifth year contract is a formula. So like he's

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Speaker 9: it's draft pick and its position, so like he's a guard.

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Speaker 9: So max fifth year option right now is projected to

442
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Speaker 9: be twenty three million in twenty twenty five because he's

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Speaker 9: a quarterback and he's a fifteenth overall, the top half, right, yeah,

444
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Speaker 9: so that Cold Strangers.

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Speaker 8: Might be a little bit more reasonable. Sure, but that's

446
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Speaker 8: why I was as that before. I said, like completely,

447
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Speaker 8: but even then, want to.

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Speaker 1: Make a decision to be made. You know, he's going

449
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Speaker 1: to be paid good money because he was a first

450
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Speaker 1: round pick, not quarterback money. Uh and you know, but

451
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Speaker 1: it's a decision to be made.

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Speaker 8: And but that's not good free agency money, no good

453
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Speaker 8: one year salary.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, but you go down the list, like, who

455
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Speaker 1: are the guys since twenty since twenty twenty that possibly

456
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Speaker 1: could make it to a second time.

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Speaker 11: And that's why I like looking at these numbers and

458
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Speaker 11: then now looking what's become of the twenty twenty two

459
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Speaker 11: draft class. It's just that, like I feel like that

460
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Speaker 11: was kind of like one of the final nails in

461
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Speaker 11: the coffin. I feel like missing on all those draft picks.

462
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Speaker 11: I mean, you just you missed on strange because we

463
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Speaker 11: missed on Thornton.

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Speaker 1: You know because at the time, like a year ago,

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Speaker 1: we thought, oh Stevenson, but they don't like doing that

466
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Speaker 1: with running back.

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Speaker 8: No, I wouldn't do that.

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Speaker 1: And now he's shown where entre.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that one I don't put on the team. I

470
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Speaker 8: think most yeah, most teams, Yeah, they don't really want

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Speaker 8: to do that.

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Speaker 11: This is also, I think something to be said for

473
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Speaker 11: retaining guys because they're your guys and you're trying to

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Speaker 11: build a culture of Look, this guy has some warts

475
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Speaker 11: in his game or his personality or something that don't

476
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Speaker 11: make him prototypical Patriots.

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Speaker 12: But these are our guys.

478
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Speaker 11: We've put a lot of time into them already, and

479
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Speaker 11: we want to continue with these guys despite their warts,

480
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Speaker 11: and we want to send a message to our locker

481
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Speaker 11: room that you know, when you play well, even if

482
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Speaker 11: you mess up a couple of times, you know, like, well.

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Speaker 1: They do that with some guys.

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Speaker 8: I think that's part of snappers and guards, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm what's Dietrich Wise's deal, for example. I mean,

486
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Speaker 1: but but they keep them they like, they like, they

487
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Speaker 1: keep them around.

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Speaker 12: The White player him, then Bentley, you know him and Bentley,

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Speaker 12: I mean.

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Speaker 11: He's good, But I always felt like the second they

491
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Speaker 11: drafted key on White, I'm like, well, this feels like

492
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Speaker 11: we could finally upgrade Ditrich Wise. I think he's a

493
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Speaker 11: nice player. I think he's a complimentary player, but you know,

494
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Speaker 11: you when you look at that list, you say, these

495
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Speaker 11: are the guys that they chose to build around. This

496
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Speaker 11: isn't like an elite player. This isn't you know. This

497
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Speaker 11: was a guy that, even when they gave him the extension,

498
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Speaker 11: had questions. And I think he's played better the last

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Speaker 11: couple of years. He's rounded out his game, and I

500
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Speaker 11: think he's, you know, great police in the locker room

501
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Speaker 11: for sure, but he loves Dietrich but you know he's not.

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Speaker 9: But you're like, I just don't what's the problem with

503
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Speaker 9: retaining your good players while still seeking out great players.

504
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Speaker 9: Like I feel like this team when you're they just

505
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Speaker 9: give up on you because you're not an elite player

506
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Speaker 9: and they go searching for for Fred's golden goose where

507
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Speaker 9: Like that guy should be tacked on to that, like

508
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Speaker 9: Kyle Duggar, Christian Barmore, Christian Gonzalez, Juwan Bentley, Like those

509
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Speaker 9: guys should be here.

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Speaker 8: And then when you add the.

511
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Speaker 9: Draft picks that you you bring in, or you add

512
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Speaker 9: the free agent guys that you bring in after that,

513
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Speaker 9: those guys are in addition to what you already have.

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Speaker 9: And I just like dougger and we'll see about Barmore,

515
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Speaker 9: like he's had three really really good games so far

516
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Speaker 9: this year. He had a great rookie year. I think

517
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Speaker 9: I probably need to see a little bit more consistency

518
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Speaker 9: for him from a long stretch of games to say, like,

519
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Speaker 9: let's give him some lucrative contract.

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Speaker 8: But a guy like.

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Speaker 9: Kyle Duggar, I don't know why that's even a conversation

522
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Speaker 9: unless he's gonna he's not gonna get stupid money, Like

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Speaker 9: I don't think he's gonna be making like Derwin James

524
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Speaker 9: make it mikea Fitzpatrick type of safety money. So unless

525
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Speaker 9: it gets stupid, I don't know why you wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Well, some I heard somebody on the radio saying today

527
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Speaker 1: that Douggar's agent is the same agent as somebody else

528
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Speaker 1: who's coming as agent. They have the same agent, and

529
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Speaker 1: the Patriots don't necessarily get along with this particular agent.

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Speaker 8: I thought it was Oocha's that Andrew Callahan was mentioning.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But I thought he said the two Patriots players

532
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Speaker 1: that are coming up, and I thought he mentioned Douger.

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Speaker 8: But when they were talking about Dougger and then I

534
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Speaker 8: think they were talking about but you might be right,

535
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Speaker 8: he might be the same one and the same But

536
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Speaker 8: I did hear Andrew Kelly and say that he didn't

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Speaker 8: mention the name, So I don't know who the players

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Speaker 8: are involved.

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Speaker 9: I don't want to say it because I don't know

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Speaker 9: if I'm right, But I don't know about that.

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Speaker 1: Okay. The other thing about this conversation is we're doing

542
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Speaker 1: it at a disadvantage because we really don't know how

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Speaker 1: it works down there.

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Speaker 8: Robert nobody knows how ye Robert Craft has said, evidently

545
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Speaker 8: does Robert Crafton Washington.

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Speaker 1: Robert Craft has said he's never had any problem getting players.

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Speaker 1: What he doesn't say is is there a budget? So

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Speaker 1: as long as you're within a budget, you don't have

549
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Speaker 1: a problem. But does Bill have to work from that budget?

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Speaker 1: And that dictates a lot of the decisions he makes.

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Speaker 1: You know, I have a set amount of money I

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Speaker 1: can spend, and that includes money in the future, you know,

553
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Speaker 1: over cap and cash, and I have to make it

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Speaker 1: work within that.

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Speaker 8: We don't know, Like, we don't know, and we I

556
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Speaker 8: think we can all reasonably assume that everybody has a budget.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but I mean.

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Speaker 8: We don't know what it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like the whole cash spending that that's real money.

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Speaker 1: That's the money that you know.

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Speaker 8: And I do think that part of that, like that

562
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Speaker 8: was a big advantage of the weight because the cap

563
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Speaker 8: was in the early part of the dynasty, like the

564
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Speaker 8: three you know era, the cap was constricting and having

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Speaker 8: Tom Brady not have to be you know, blowing it

566
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Speaker 8: out of the water. But as the cap, you know,

567
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Speaker 8: it's a catch twenty two for the owners because they

568
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Speaker 8: make so much more money now because the revenues is

569
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Speaker 8: so much higher. The cap has grown so big that

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Speaker 8: you don't have those restrictings. Did you see some of

571
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Speaker 8: these stories about like back to the Raiders thing, like

572
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Speaker 8: Devonte Adams was close to it deal with the Jet

573
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Speaker 8: Like so the Jets are like acquiring a sixty million

574
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Speaker 8: dollar quarterback and they had no qualms whatsoever about adding

575
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Speaker 8: DeVante Adams for another thirty Yeah, because the cap doesn't matter,

576
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Speaker 8: you can just manipulate it any way you want. You can.

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Speaker 8: But this is the bigger question is if you're willing

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Speaker 8: to spend the money.

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Speaker 9: I mean, yeah, like so the Patriots, I would say,

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Speaker 9: out of all the teams in the league, probably use

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Speaker 9: the least amount of cap. Maneuvering gymnastics at this point

582
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Speaker 9: and My guess is, and this is something that I'm

583
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Speaker 9: just I know people think I attack Bill all the time.

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Speaker 9: But to Paul's point, this is how it probably used

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Speaker 9: to be run. Yes, and now this is no longer

586
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Speaker 9: how teams are doing it. So I get this. You

587
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 9: know a lot on Twitter, like how does San Francisco

588
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Speaker 9: with their salary trade for Chase Young and trade for

589
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Speaker 9: Christian McCaffrey and make all these huge moves for high

590
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Speaker 9: priced players when they're already spending a ton on their roster.

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Speaker 8: And people will tell you it's because they're not paying

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Speaker 8: for the quarterback, which is so simplistic. Yes they're not.

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Speaker 8: They have the last pick of the draft is their quarterback.

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Speaker 8: But they're paying quarterback money, well quarterback adjacent money to

595
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Speaker 8: a lot of different guys. Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Or it's like, you know, a couple of years ago,

597
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Speaker 9: it was a last offseason when the Bills signed von Miller.

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Speaker 9: The Bills have one of like the most cash spending wise,

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Speaker 9: like they are at the near the top of the league,

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Speaker 9: and then they were up against the cap and then

601
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Speaker 9: somehow they just signed von Miller to this like twenty

602
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Speaker 9: million dollars a year deal. The Eagles are another team

603
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Speaker 9: that just buy their way out of it, like they

604
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Speaker 9: just buy their way out of anything to do with

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Speaker 9: the cap, and that's how you you know, trade for

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Speaker 9: aj Brown and keep it and keep it going.

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Speaker 1: But just just so people understand, when you say buy

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Speaker 1: their way out of it, what does that mean.

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Speaker 9: So there's different ways to maneuver the cap. The easiest

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Speaker 9: one is to create base salary into a signing bonus.

611
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Speaker 9: But in order to create base salary into a signing bonus,

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Speaker 9: you have to write a check to the player. That's right,

613
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 9: it's real money, and so you have to hand them

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Speaker 9: a check and say, here's the money for the rest

615
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Speaker 9: of the season that we would have paid out to

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Speaker 9: you in per game roster bonuses and base salary, but

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Speaker 9: instead we're gonna do it all in one lump sum

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Speaker 9: because you are AJ Brown and you're gonna be worth it.

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Speaker 9: So we're just gonna give you the money and teams

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Speaker 9: will just do that. And it's kind of you know,

621
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Speaker 9: it never comes due like this, this notion that the

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Speaker 9: bill comes due.

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Speaker 4: Well, it does come due, but you can always it's

624
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Speaker 4: in perpetuity. But but you can always keep right financing right.

625
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 4: You can always write like that if exactly if you're not,

626
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 4: if you don't want to do the gymnastics, eventually it

627
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 4: will come due. But there are mechanisms to just keep

628
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 4: it going, to just keep it going. The only thing

629
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Speaker 4: that would kill you is if there's a pandemic and

630
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Speaker 4: all of a sudden the cap goes down. Now you're

631
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Speaker 4: kind of screwed because now you have to make serious.

632
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 4: But as long as the cap remains, even going up

633
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Speaker 4: a little bit, you can keep moving money to the future.

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Speaker 1: But you're gonna have to you have you need a

635
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: good accountant, you need someone who understands all the rules

636
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: and can, you know, manipulate.

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Speaker 8: You're gonna have to money.

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00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to restructure guys contracts, you know, because

639
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Speaker 1: even though the cap is crap, you still have to

640
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Speaker 1: stay under it in a fiscal year.

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Speaker 8: It still it exists.

642
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it exists.

643
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 8: But it's just money. But Kevin just explained it perfect.

644
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Speaker 1: But you can move that money to the future.

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Speaker 14: Now.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that people need to understand when we

647
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Speaker 1: get to that writing the check, not only not all

648
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: owners are equal. There are some owners that have that

649
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Speaker 1: liquidity to just do that, and other owners that don't,

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Speaker 1: you know, and you think that all all teams have

651
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: the same amount of money. They don't. They don't. The

652
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys have more money than any other team, and

653
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Speaker 1: I would say the Rams probably are there too because

654
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: of their owner. He's dipping into his own pockets. He's

655
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Speaker 1: not when he does that extra stuff, he's not. That's

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Speaker 1: not his normal budget. That's going above and beyond their

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Speaker 1: normal budget.

658
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Speaker 8: What would you put the Raiders on that list?

659
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Speaker 1: Very low? Yeah, I would say very low. And I

660
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: think I think the Raiders do it. Yeah, the Raiders

661
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: have overseers. Mark Davis, he's not you know, like, I

662
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: think he has helped from the league when it comes

663
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: to decisions on that team.

664
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Speaker 8: Oh, I just think that they're willing to swallow dead money.

665
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

666
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, it just look at what they're paying for two

667
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 8: coaches right now.

668
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: I know.

669
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Speaker 12: How much of this stuff do you think?

670
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 11: And I'm just putting this out there for discussion. The

671
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 11: thing I read off about not really retaining your guys.

672
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 12: Do you think that all this cap stuff and money

673
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 12: stuff feeds into that. Do you think that that's a factory.

674
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 12: Do you think that it's more about Yeah?

675
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: Well do I do? And that's why I said before.

676
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: We're at a disadvantage because we don't know we don't

677
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: know how the Patriots operate in terms of their budget,

678
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: not just the cap, like no, the budget.

679
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 9: Well because he always says, Bill always says that we

680
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 9: spend to the cap. But the issue is is that

681
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 9: everybody else is spending past the cap, right, so nobody

682
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 9: else spends to the cap anymore, everybody else. You know,

683
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 9: the Philadelphia Eagles I think are in the top three

684
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 9: of cash spending. They are way way, way over the

685
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 9: cap in terms of how much money they spend on

686
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 9: the team in a year. But they're able to do

687
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 9: it because they have these you know, nerds behind the

688
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 9: scenes that just figure out how to move the money

689
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 9: around and make it work. And I think in a

690
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 9: lot of ways, like Paul, we were talking about this yesterday.

691
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 9: You know, if they give I think we were talking

692
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 9: about Chase Young, If they give Chase Young twenty million dollars,

693
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 9: is that are they then going to go give to

694
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 9: Higgins twenty million dollars?

695
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 8: And that that's.

696
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 9: Where you run into issues, is that if you're going

697
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 9: to start paying a bunch of high priced players at

698
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 9: the top of your roster, you have to be willing

699
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 9: to maneuver the cap, and if you're not willing to

700
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 9: do that, then you're not gonna get those Yeah.

701
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: I mean, other than like your coach and quarterback, maybe

702
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: the most important person on any team is the person

703
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: who is your not your capolysist, but your accountant, the

704
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: person who understands all the rules and can get these

705
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: future deals by the league, because the league has to

706
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: approve every every deal. You submit the deal to the league,

707
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: it goes into this thing called the Management Council. It's

708
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: all online, like every team has visibility into every other

709
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: team's deal, and you can't bend the rules. You got

710
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: to adhere to the rules, but you know understanding what

711
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: those rules are and not being afraid to like, I'm

712
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: not gonna worry about five years from now. You know

713
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna push it out. When we get to five years,

714
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: we'll deal with it then.

715
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 8: The one thing I slightly disagree with you on Fred

716
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 8: is I don't think now it's all about future, Like

717
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 8: I don't think the bill's going to eventually come do.

718
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 8: I think what Evan explained is you do the opposite.

719
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 8: If you just write the check and give them the

720
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 8: money up front, it lessens the future problem. It allows

721
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 8: you to spread the caper out, but you've given them

722
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 8: the money.

723
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, those in those deals.

724
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 8: You're right, No, But I think that's like a major

725
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 8: mechanism that people create catch.

726
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 9: I just feel like people think that it's eventually, you know,

727
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 9: like at the beginning of Rocky, He's like goes down

728
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 9: to the docks to collect right, Like eventually the league

729
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 9: is going to come in, like bring some bully to

730
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 9: come collect the money.

731
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,719
Speaker 8: That's not happening, Like, the league is not going anywhere.

732
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 8: New Orleans Saints right now. Okay, the New Orlean Saints are.

733
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 8: They're okay, Like we saw them here and we were

734
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 8: talking about it heading in, you know, with Michael Thomas

735
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 8: and Chris Olave and you know Cam Jordan and Derek

736
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 8: Carr and Alvin Kamara, and you're like, I know that

737
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 8: no one thinks much of the Saints, but they have

738
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 8: a lot of players that I think I would like

739
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 8: to have on the Patriots. They every year come February

740
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 8: wearing Capture Hill. It's all over Twitter. The Saints are

741
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 8: projected to be seventy three million over the cap, and

742
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 8: somehow they find a way to retain most of those

743
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 8: names that everybody's familiar with and remain a competitive team. Now,

744
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 8: Derek Carr isn't as good as Drew Brees, so they're

745
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 8: no longer a title contender. I get it. But they

746
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 8: were able to acquire a guy, give them some money.

747
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 8: They gave him pretty good contract for a starting quarterback

748
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 8: in the league. It's not like that they have a cheap,

749
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 8: you know, rookie deal and they're okay, so it's not

750
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 8: a train wreck. But every year everybody tells me, what

751
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 8: a train wreck?

752
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: But let me so, I'm gonna play Devil's advocate here.

753
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: What happens when you're top heavy in terms you've got

754
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: to start and you don't have the quarterback? Can can

755
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: you win that way?

756
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 11: Well?

757
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: And you know my point, and you don't have that

758
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 1: middle class that the Patriots have always talked about.

759
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 8: My point is they're telling you, they're showing you, yes

760
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 8: they can.

761
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: No, they're not gonna win. They don't have a shot.

762
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 8: Win what the super Bowl? Oh okay, yeah, So I

763
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 8: mean if that's there's twenty eight teams that can't win

764
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 8: the Super Bowl.

765
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't I don't agree with that.

766
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 9: So just twenty just to kind of because I know

767
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 9: that a lot of people probably like lost in the

768
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 9: math here. So the Baltimore Ravens this year are the

769
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 9: number one team in total cash spending, probably because they

770
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 9: just gave Lamar Jackson that huge contract, right, So they're

771
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 9: number one in the league in cash spending. They are

772
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 9: spending two hundred and eighty one million dollars on their

773
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 9: roster for twenty twenty three. The salary cap is two

774
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 9: hundred and twenty four million, so they're spending sixty million

775
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 9: dollars more than what the cap says they should be

776
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 9: able to spend on the team because they are doing

777
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 9: all these different things.

778
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 8: And no one is suggesting that any team should do

779
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 8: that every year. I mean, there are rules in place

780
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 8: that you can't do that every year, but no one

781
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 8: is suggesting the Patriots are dropping the ball. They should

782
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 8: be sixty million over the cap and cash spending every year.

783
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 8: No one can do that, Like you said, Fred, everybody

784
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 8: has a budget. Yeah, and I get that. Like these

785
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 8: are all just sort of different elements of Mike's original

786
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 8: question about the second contracts.

787
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean they are spending almost one hundred million

788
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 9: dollars more on their team this year than the Patriots,

789
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 9: Like that's crazy and it's not. Look, cash spending does

790
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 9: not equate to winning, like number one is Baltimore and

791
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 9: number two is the Cleveland Browns.

792
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 8: So and again all about the quarterback contract which hasn't worked.

793
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 8: Now Baltimore is is working, but that's you know, it's

794
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 8: not a guarantee. Like to Evan's point, guy has a

795
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 8: labor issue. He hasn't played in a month. They're a

796
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 8: pretty good team, Like you could see the talent on them.

797
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 8: They should have won that game in Seattle the other

798
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 8: day with PJ. Walker again doing nothing this fantastic. Their

799
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 8: defense is pretty good. They have some skilled guys. They

800
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,479
Speaker 8: just don't have a quarterback because the quarterback is hurt

801
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 8: and because and he wasn't playing all that great before k.

802
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 9: But you know, the Jets are number three again another

803
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 9: team that's paying their quarterback, and then Buffalo is number four.

804
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 8: So I would argue that maybe, with the exception of Cleveland,

805
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,479
Speaker 8: those other three teams absolutely at full strength are super

806
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 8: Bowl contenders.

807
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: Correct. Oh, Jets for sure, and if.

808
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 8: And if Watson played the majority of the games like

809
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 8: you did that one game, they would be a super

810
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 8: Bowl contender too.

811
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 9: They were getting on Watson, the return on investment on Watson,

812
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 9: they would be a super Bowl team.

813
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 8: Right, So to you a point, Freddie, maybe it's more

814
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 8: like ten teams that have a legitimate chance to win

815
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 8: the super Bowl, but then five.

816
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: But I'm just I'm just thinking that, you know, the

817
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: Patriot way was to have that middle class. Unfortunately they

818
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: could never prove it because they had Tom Brady, Like,

819
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: you could never prove that that works without the best

820
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 1: prayer of all time.

821
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 8: It's a great summation of you know, because we I

822
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 8: make fun of Mike all the time. This is this

823
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 8: predates you, Evan. I always call Mike. He still believes

824
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 8: in Santa Claus like, he still thinks it's because all

825
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 8: of those things. You know, it's not about the best

826
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 8: fifty three, it's the right fifty three. Yeah, as long

827
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 8: as number twelve as one of the fifty three, Yes,

828
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 8: you can have any philosophy you want, you'll be a contender.

829
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: He makes them all work.

830
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, they were doing because like when they were doing

831
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 9: a miked up thing for the Bruins, I behind the

832
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 9: be and it was like roster cutdown day and one

833
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 9: of the players was like I think Pasa is gonna

834
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 9: make it. I don't know, and it's like, you know,

835
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 9: it's it. That was how it was with Brady. Would

836
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 9: always say like, oh, I got to make the team

837
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 9: and you know, and it was like, seriously, guy. But

838
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 9: I still think even with Brady though, like they still

839
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 9: had Gronkowski, they still had Edelman, they still had you know,

840
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 9: guys on the other side of the football, you know,

841
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 9: High Tower and Devin mccorty and players like that. So

842
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 9: as much as I feel like they've also lost sight

843
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 9: of the fact that they also had other stars, Like

844
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 9: Gronkowski was his own star, and I think Gronkowski playing

845
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 9: with probably thirty other quarterbacks would have still been Rob Gronkowski.

846
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: Oh, Gronk for sure. But do you think Edelman would.

847
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 9: Have maybe maybe not just because of the system. I

848
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 9: think here probably brought out the best in him.

849
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: But do you think that having Brady in those points

850
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: made it easier on guys like mccordy to play defense?

851
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 8: Yep, sure, I think the offense.

852
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's a huge trickle down effect from having

853
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. It helps everybody.

854
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think Gronk is an example who is a

855
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 8: standalone He's a Hall of Fame. Yeah, he's a you

856
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 8: would have been.

857
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

858
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 8: Yeah.

859
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 11: It's funny each each year Tom Brady just gets a

860
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 11: little more credit.

861
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,959
Speaker 1: He sure does, it, sure does.

862
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 8: It's absolutely right.

863
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, as you get away, you appreciate it more.

864
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 9: And Fred and I will tell you, Mike, how's it

865
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 9: feel now?

866
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 8: Yeah? Fred and I will tell you that we were

867
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 8: not on that side and I were both more on

868
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 8: the you know, never like one hundred to zero, but

869
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 8: more like maybe sixty forty.

870
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: Bill. I always thought, right, each made the other great great?

871
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 8: But didn't you always give Bill more? I did? Maybe

872
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 8: I'm speaking for you. I always gave Bill Moore the credit.

873
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 8: Well that I gave you Tom. I think when I

874
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 8: was wrong when we had the poll. You can only

875
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 8: have one at the time, we said the coach.

876
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 9: I just wonder if, like is it is. I don't

877
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 9: think that Bill a coach, for it is no longer

878
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 9: a good coach.

879
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 8: Or forgot how to coach.

880
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 9: He still knows how to coach, but it's the personnel stuff,

881
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 9: like he just he's lost touch with how to build

882
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 9: a modern NFL roster.

883
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: Well, I remember when he first got here, Robert Kraft said,

884
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: you know, one of the other things that I like

885
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: about him. He has an economics degree from Wesley, and

886
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: so he understands the economics. But now those fundamentals of

887
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: economics have been blown out the window. It's now credit card.

888
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: It's not the family budget and you know, let's have

889
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: a balanced budget. It doesn't That's not how it is anymore.

890
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 11: I'm going to disagree a little bit, Okay. I mean,

891
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 11: I think that coaching is a complex thing. There's a

892
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 11: certain aspect of knowing the game and knowing strategy and

893
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 11: how to do things. There's also a major element of

894
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 11: coaching getting the team on the same page, getting the

895
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 11: team to follow you. Now, you know, Paul makes his

896
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 11: jokes about me still believing in Santa Claus. The Santa

897
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 11: Claus I believe in is that the best.

898
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 12: Teams are teams that all kind of like each other.

899
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 12: That's what I like.

900
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 11: You know, I get like the Fuoli quote, and we

901
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 11: can you know, we joke about that. It's fine, but

902
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 11: I truly believe that. And it's hard to engineer. You

903
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 11: can't go out and just find guys that are all

904
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 11: going to get along. There's a certain like, you know,

905
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 11: just magic too. We all played sports in high school

906
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 11: where you just kind of end up on a team

907
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 11: and you get who you get on your team. From

908
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 11: my experience, the teams that were all kind of on

909
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 11: separate pages and you know, you had this kind of personality,

910
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 11: didn't really like, didn't do too well.

911
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 12: Teams that you all felt like a family and did well.

912
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: Those are first, the winning and everyone each other, you know.

913
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 8: And let me get back to my point though.

914
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 11: But my point is that I don't think this looks

915
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 11: like a team that's all on the same page, that's

916
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 11: all pulling for the coach and so like I and

917
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 11: so I think that that's a criticism that I totally

918
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 11: right about the personnel stuff that's killed them.

919
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: But is that more an indictment on the modern athlete.

920
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: It's not even just the NFL, like perhaps, great, we're

921
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: all together.

922
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 11: Perhaps, I mean perhaps look, you know, he's been doing

923
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 11: it forever, and it is the modern athlete.

924
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 12: It's it's it's a hard thing, you know.

925
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 11: I mean you can't really quantify what it is, but

926
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 11: I just you know, look a well cool like, have

927
00:41:58,560 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 11: we seen a well coached team?

928
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 12: There?

929
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 11: Is that a well coached team that's making stupid mistakes

930
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 11: over and over and over again, Like, you know, all

931
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 11: respect to Bill and the greatest coach of all time, YadA, YadA, YadA,

932
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 11: but like, look, this is what we're seeing. I'm not

933
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 11: seeing a well coached team. So I'm sure he's a

934
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 11: great coach. He knows everything, but whatever, he's not pushing

935
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 11: the right buttons.

936
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 3: Well.

937
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the evolution of the

938
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: Patriots in the early and the first part of the dynasty,

939
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 1: he had those seasoned coaches.

940
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 12: And Lockerham policed itself.

941
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 1: And then as those coaches started leaving, you know, Brady

942
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,959
Speaker 1: got better. So Brady got made up for the brain drain,

943
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: you know. But then it got to a point.

944
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 8: Where I agree with you, Mike. I know you said,

945
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 8: like you want to push back a little bit. I

946
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 8: think everything you said is right. I just would give

947
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 8: more of the credit in retrospect. I didn't think it

948
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 8: at the time, but in retrospect, I give more of

949
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,439
Speaker 8: the credit for that mentality to Brady. In the uniting fact,

950
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 8: like I've heard enough of these stories now about these

951
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 8: sort of random guys that were like blown away by

952
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 8: the fact that he even knew who they were. Like,

953
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 8: I think that he was a bigger part of that

954
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 8: than we ever imagined. And it's the same coach now

955
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 8: and you're talking about all the things, and I think

956
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 8: you were one hundred percent right. I just wanded a

957
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 8: Buffalo game. What other game could you point to this

958
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 8: year that they looked like a really well oyal.

959
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: Teach And just think of the tone that Brady said

960
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: at practice, like we hear now this what we've always

961
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: heard the stories about how he made every practice so

962
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: damn competitive, you know and demanding, and it like practice

963
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: was almost like a game between the offensive defense and

964
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, guys wanted to win that day, and you

965
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 1: had guys like you know, Rodney Harrison who bought into

966
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: that you know, hook line and sinker like you know

967
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: in you know, it was like the back and forth

968
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: and practice was like a game.

969
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 8: What was that story that Rabel told, I mean, Belichick

970
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 8: told that Rabel's time about Rabel serving as like Troy Polamalu, yeah,

971
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 8: you know, and he's like as a quarterback didn't like

972
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 8: it very much, you know, yeah, right, like all of

973
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 8: a sudden, they have a going.

974
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: On because he's not doing it right.

975
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 12: I think go too with that.

976
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 11: Defensive group, which you know, was it was a big

977
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 11: part of those first three championships that I think that

978
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 11: Bill was kind of the right thing for that group

979
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 11: because you had a you know, you had a veteran

980
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 11: corps that had been to a super Bowl before.

981
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 12: That kind of knew Bill a little bit.

982
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 11: And I think, you know, that style I think just

983
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 11: worked for them, like that early three oh four defense.

984
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 11: Like you know, I think the buttons that Bill was

985
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 11: able to push, I think had had a big impact

986
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 11: to I mean not you know, not to take away

987
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 11: from what Brady did, but I think he was a

988
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 11: really good.

989
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 12: For those years, you know.

990
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 11: And and now it's a different team, and now you've

991
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 11: got a lot of young guys that weren't here for that,

992
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 11: and you know, they they have an idea in their

993
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 11: head of what they watched on TV as children watching

994
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 11: the Patriots.

995
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 12: It's not that.

996
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 1: And Bill's style worked perfectly for That's what Brady wanted.

997
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: He wanted no nonsense, he wanted guys, and that's what

998
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: Bill wanted, and they were they were completely in sync

999
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: those early years.

1000
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 11: And then you can really tap what you know Bill,

1001
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,479
Speaker 11: which no one is going to argue that Bill doesn't

1002
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 11: have an insight glopedic knowledge of the NFL and schemes

1003
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 11: and everything that's happened and all of that.

1004
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 12: But you know, it's one thing to know all that stuff.

1005
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 11: Then that's another to look at what Mike McDaniel's doing

1006
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 11: in Miami and trying to figure out how to stop it,

1007
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 11: and hello, we haven't been able to stop it, you know,

1008
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 11: So at what point do we say, hey, greatest coach

1009
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 11: of all time, we need we need to be able

1010
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 11: to beat Miami Dolphins if we're going to get back

1011
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 11: into this thing. There were division rival you're paying them

1012
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 11: two years in a row, and for the second time

1013
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 11: in two years and really should have probably been three

1014
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 11: years in a row, you've gotten swept by them.

1015
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think you know, me and Paul I think

1016
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 9: disagree maybe a little bit on Mac's ability on the field.

1017
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 9: But the thing that you said yesterday about like his

1018
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 9: leadership and the confidence and like the intangible stuff that

1019
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 9: is I really like feel like that's come to light

1020
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 9: for me this year because I gave him a pass

1021
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 9: on all that stuff when he was because he was

1022
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 9: a young player, you know, rookie second year guy, not

1023
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 9: really what you're expecting to be sort of carrying the

1024
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 9: torch at the front of the line necessarily. But now

1025
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 9: he's in year three. I just I think that that's

1026
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 9: a big thing that is currently missing from him, is

1027
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 9: that I don't know if he's got that in factor,

1028
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 9: that leadership like, and it's not just about like the

1029
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 9: raw ras speeches and stuff like that. It's just like

1030
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 9: oozing confidence and you know that that ability to lead

1031
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 9: by example, and I think that was what Brady had.

1032
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 9: Like when Brady, you know, for a couple of years

1033
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 9: that I got to cover him. When Brady would walk

1034
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 9: into the locker room, the press conference room, whatever, it

1035
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 9: was like, oh shit, Tom Brady's in here, you know

1036
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 9: what I mean, Like yeah, and I didn't even notice,

1037
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 9: and it was it was just you could tell that

1038
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 9: he right and who he was.

1039
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: And again, we don't see the practices. We see training camp,

1040
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: but we don't see the practice during the season. If

1041
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: the if, the if if a majority of the practices,

1042
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 1: you know, focusing on getting that quarterback better, the rest

1043
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: of the team's like, yeah, spend another this time trying

1044
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: to get one guy to do the right thing.

1045
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 8: But the funny part about what Evan says to this

1046
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 8: is real quick, Mike, look, just I felt like Mac

1047
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 8: had a lot of those qualities as a rookie. Yeah,

1048
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 8: it was last year that kind of opened my eyes.

1049
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 8: Like I get that there was a lot of things

1050
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 8: that weren't fair to him last year, but you got

1051
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 8: to be able to handle some of them better than

1052
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 8: he handled them. And now I think that's carried over

1053
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 8: into this year.

1054
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 11: Yeah, I was, I mean, I was just gonna say,

1055
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 11: you know, it's it's I mean, Evan used the example

1056
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 11: of Tom Brady, which, of course by that point, like

1057
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 11: he's just a superstar and he has that, but even

1058
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 11: like you know, just Will Levice in his first start

1059
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 11: last week, just looking at him on the field, you're

1060
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 11: like this.

1061
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 12: Guy, like, this guy looks like you can play. I mean,

1062
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 12: you know, like there's just something about Yeah, I mean

1063
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 12: like Tom.

1064
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 11: Brady Richardson, you know, like you look at him and

1065
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 11: you're like, I'm on board, you know some stuff, you know,

1066
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 11: there's some stuff there, and like Mac like I think,

1067
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 11: I like, I don't know, I'm kind of more on Evan's.

1068
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 9: Side, where Brady is like probably obviously an unfair bar.

1069
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 9: But yeah, unfortunately we didn't get to cover Cam in

1070
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 9: person because the cod but cam cam was another guy

1071
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,720
Speaker 9: that like that was Cam Newton, like Heisman Trophy, MVP

1072
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 9: like that that that guy carried weight where he was and.

1073
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 8: It was bad, like he didn't play well. He didn't

1074
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 8: play well.

1075
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 9: But it wasn't because people didn't believe in him. And

1076
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 9: I remember, you know, Jacoby talking about it. It was

1077
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 9: his second year and Jacoby just being like, I mean

1078
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 9: Cam Newton, like, of course I'm going to listen to

1079
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 9: the advice that he has for my career, and and

1080
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 9: it just those are the types of guys that I

1081
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 9: feel that that And I don't I look so much

1082
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 9: at that at the film the x's and knows and

1083
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 9: all that stuff, like you don't really think about the

1084
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 9: person and the intangibles and the next guy's got to

1085
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 9: have that it factor.

1086
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 8: I feel like if Mac had those intangibles coming out

1087
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 8: of his pockets like a lot of other guys do,

1088
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 8: I think his skill set would be fine. So like

1089
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 8: to like Evan started that by saying, we probably disagree

1090
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 8: a little bit. We probably do. You're right, but I

1091
00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 8: do think I've seen guys succeed with his level of skill,

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Speaker 8: and I think what holds them back sometimes is some

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Speaker 10: Check out this clip from the latest episode of Pats

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Speaker 10: from the Past featuring Mike Vrabel.

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Speaker 16: You know in four years, you did a lot, but

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Speaker 16: you wanted to start. Did you get a sense, maybe

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Speaker 16: on that visit or early on Mike that these guys

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Speaker 16: had a good idea of how to use you.

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Speaker 17: Well, I can remember having a conversation with Bill and

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Speaker 17: him saying, hey, really, all we need is what you

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Speaker 17: did in that preseason game last year against Miami. And

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Speaker 17: I'm thinking I don't even remember playing Miami in the preseason,

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Speaker 17: but Bill had gone back and he had watched and

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Speaker 17: there were clips that he must have seen that there

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Speaker 17: was a vision for probably an extended playtime at that

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Speaker 17: point in time in the preseason or whatever it was.

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Speaker 17: And so then I started thinking, Okay, well, at least

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Speaker 17: you know they have an idea of how they want

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Speaker 17: to use me or what I maybe able to do there.

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Speaker 17: Bill had talked about the opportunity, not guaranteeing anything, but

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Speaker 17: saying that there would be a spot at you know,

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Speaker 17: available pretty much at outside linebacker where you know they

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Speaker 17: would have some other players to compete with, and then

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Speaker 17: see where things were.

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Speaker 8: When you look at the way your years unfolded, it's

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Speaker 8: almost like it was a perfect system for you. I mean,

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Speaker 8: did you catch that right away, like they really want

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Speaker 8: to use me exactly to you know, my skills.

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Speaker 17: Wasn't being misused at Pittsburgh. I had just transitioned from

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Speaker 17: a couple of different positions, you know, was rotating in

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Speaker 17: and was getting some playing time three and four years

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Speaker 17: in special teams and third down packages, whatever that may be.

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Speaker 17: But this was a new opportunity, some carryover from Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 17: some different and then as things progressed and.

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Speaker 3: It was you know, learn this position.

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Speaker 17: I actually I think I played two seasons inside linebacker

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Speaker 17: or that season and a half at some point in time,

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Speaker 17: and you'll find myself at different spots.

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Speaker 12: Do you.

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Speaker 16: I've heard this from many ex players, guys who you

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Speaker 16: played with and everything like that. Were you able to

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Speaker 16: get away with more as far as like maybe busting

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Speaker 16: Bill's ball?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I think the time is that is

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Speaker 3: that overrated? No, I don't think it's overrated. I think

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Speaker 3: that there is.

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Speaker 17: Like I said yesterday, I think I said things that

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Speaker 17: everybody wanted to say, and I probably was just dumb

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Speaker 17: enough to say it. I sometimes say the quiet part

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Speaker 17: out loud sometimes unfortunately, but it's all timing and sometimes.

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Speaker 3: You know, you know, it's a it's a it's a.

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Speaker 17: Turn to punch bowl and doesn't always work, but sometimes

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Speaker 17: it works out pretty good. But but that takes a

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Speaker 17: little bit of time and it takes you know, again,

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Speaker 17: you have to be willing to take it if you

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Speaker 17: want to give it. And I think that Bill always

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Speaker 17: was very conscious of that, whether that's players to Bill

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Speaker 17: or Bill to us. You know, he knew that, you know,

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Speaker 17: we had to sit there and and take it when

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Speaker 17: we got the low lights and you know, we'd be

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Speaker 17: on the bellustrator and it would be like what we

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00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 17: can't do? And so it just it was a good

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Speaker 17: situation with a bunch of really good teammates that that

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Speaker 17: all kind of rally behind that.

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Speaker 16: Do you think maybe, I mean, you were able to

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00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 16: back it up with you play though, Mike, I don't

1179
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 16: know if that's a fifty third or fifty fourth guy

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Speaker 16: that was trying to crack wise, it might be different. Well,

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Speaker 16: you you were a guy on all three phases of

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Speaker 16: the game.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean, but I think that that's what makes

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00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 17: a locker room. It's just different personalities. Again, you have

1185
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 17: to perform on the field and then whatever your personality is.

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00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 17: I think that was there was no restrictions on, Hey,

1187
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 17: we just want a bunch of robots. That's I think

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00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 17: that was the impression that everybody had, and we certainly

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Speaker 17: weren't that.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 8: The best thing about Mike, and I told you this

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Speaker 8: a million times, Mike didn't care who he was busting on. Professional.

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Speaker 8: I used to call you a professional ballbuster.

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Speaker 1: That's what you were.

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Speaker 8: I'd come in with like a TV shirt on one

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Speaker 8: day and he goes, look at this fraud. He's got

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Speaker 8: TV and it didn't matter. He treated all of us

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Speaker 8: the same, and I think that's probably permeated the locker room,

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Speaker 8: and he guarded respect in that way.

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Speaker 17: Well again, I think the fact that if you have

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00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 17: a relationship with somebody, I think that's when you kind

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00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 17: of go back and forth with them.

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Speaker 3: It's like having a nickname.

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Speaker 17: You don't have a nickname, you know, there's no such

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00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 17: thing as a bad nickname, just the appreciative that you

1206
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 17: have a nickname. That means that they know who you

1207
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 17: are and that you're kind of a part of the group.

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00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 17: And if you don't have a nickname, you know, you

1209
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 17: better try to figure out why. And so it was

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Speaker 17: whether it was a relationship with the media, you know

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Speaker 17: it was a two way street. Assistant coaches and certainly teammates.

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Speaker 3: Much has been made.

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Speaker 16: You played in a different era of believe it or not,

1214
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 16: where and as during your career the league was starting

1215
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 16: to legislate against defenses hard hitting and everything like that.

1216
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 16: When you look back at the Warner play Ties interception,

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Speaker 16: I just thought it was very generous of Tie to

1218
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 16: give you credit yesterday to are you gonna get flagged

1219
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 16: for that if that play happens today?

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Speaker 3: Do you think? I don't know.

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Speaker 17: I mean, I think that what we've talked about is

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Speaker 17: matching the hand, and they've they've they've changed here in

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Speaker 17: the last year or two about what's forcible.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know, you know what I mean, I

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00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 3: should have gotten there sooner, to be honest with. They

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Speaker 3: didn't block men.

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Speaker 17: It was just a lucky play and tied it all

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Speaker 17: the work. And but whether it's you know, as long

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Speaker 17: as it's not forcible. You know, we've talked about matching

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Speaker 17: a hand and the same thing that they teach here

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Speaker 17: and you know everybody else is trying to teach.

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Speaker 3: And didn't hit the football. I'm glad that I did

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00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 3: it so that Ty was able to catch it the score.

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00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 18: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, no

1235
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Speaker 18: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,

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Speaker 18: everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx. Where

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Speaker 18: now it's next for residential delivery only.

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Speaker 2: And now great moments in.

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Speaker 3: History.

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Speaker 1: I'm fine with it.

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Speaker 8: I know you.

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00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: I mean what it's toime freaking break.

1243
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 8: I know you're fine, you know it.

1244
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: I know it hurt him last year, like they didn't

1245
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 1: win the super Bowl enough.

1246
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 8: See this is what this is slow September.

1247
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it did slow them down in September.

1248
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is this is why you can't have conversations

1249
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 8: with him, because I I know that instead of remaining yes, yes,

1250
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 8: you know what, it's a fact based on what you

1251
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 8: just said that they won the super Bowl because he

1252
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 8: didn't show up for the off season, I said, that's

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00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 8: what you're trying to insinuate.

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00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: I said it didn't hurt them. I'm not I'm not insinuating.

1255
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: I'm saying it didn't hurt them. They won the Super Bowl.

1256
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:33,720
Speaker 8: Would be and that's why my warrior.

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00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: Now again you're putting words in my mind.

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00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 8: Well I well, well I'm going to insinuate that it

1259
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 8: did hurt. If he was here, they could have maybe

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00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 8: they didn't would have taken seventeen weeks to get the

1261
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 8: offense in tune if he was here. I mean, if

1262
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 8: we could just make stuff up, then I'm going to

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Speaker 8: do it too.

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Speaker 2: That's another great moment from.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we're back on Patriots Unfiltered, and I just

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Speaker 12: How do you test that?

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Speaker 8: Like a certain test?

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Speaker 1: You use a penny, Yeah, and you put the penny

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Speaker 1: in the tread and if it gets to Abe Lincoln's

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Speaker 1: head or something, or his eyes or it doesn't, then

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Speaker 9: It's not too little tread.

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Speaker 1: Too much tread?

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Speaker 12: Oh car guy?

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Speaker 9: People confuse that is that too much tread?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? What do you mean?

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Speaker 8: Like it's the opposite of what you think.

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Speaker 9: I don't understand, Like I think a lot of people

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Speaker 9: say like, oh you have not like there's too little

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Speaker 9: tread on your tire.

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Speaker 1: It's too like, oh, you have a lot of tread

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Speaker 1: on your tire. I guess you could you've used it

1291
00:57:57,840 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: a lot. Oh okay, yeah, I got you.

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Speaker 11: I thought you were trying to tell me that ball

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Speaker 11: tires were better for a second there, and you need

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Speaker 11: more tread on your tire.

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Speaker 12: But I got you.

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Speaker 1: But like the he's got a lot of tread on

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Speaker 1: his tires, that means you're getting old. You're getting old,

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Speaker 1: thanks a lot.

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Speaker 8: Thanks for nothing.

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Speaker 1: So what is the term for having good tires?

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Speaker 3: I don't know that.

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Speaker 11: Uh, that's the real hard A lot of tread he

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00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 11: got me with not a lot of tread on.

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Speaker 8: Him fresh tires maybe fresh tire that you would say, but.

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Speaker 11: Don't you call him the treads the treads on the.

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Speaker 1: Tire, tire tread.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

1308
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 12: It's so, maybe we're getting confused, because.

1309
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: This is where I think we're getting into a patres

1310
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: and filtered discussion. It's like, you know, where's Eric when.

1311
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 8: You need my point? It's confusing the old the old

1312
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 8: days when you used to have sixteen game seasons. You know,

1313
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 8: after four games, you would you know, you're check in

1314
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 8: at the quarter pole. It's really the.

1315
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: Three quarters the three quarter pole, right, Yeah, A lot

1316
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: of tread on that. And like Matt, Matt Slater at

1317
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: his locker after the game, we're in unchartered waters. No,

1318
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: it's uncharted unchartered waters.

1319
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 8: Correct.

1320
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 11: I wouldn't chart my way to those waters either, just.

1321
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 9: To be that is why I can explain the NFL

1322
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 9: salary cap. But I am totally lost in this conversation.

1323
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 8: It is uncharted.

1324
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: Fred's right.

1325
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 8: The word is uncharted, Heed, not there's no map of it.

1326
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 11: You didn't really didn't charter a boat at the beginning

1327
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 11: of the season and say hey, let's go to two

1328
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 11: and six land.

1329
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 8: Don't know where it is now.

1330
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: It is true that you can't shot a a boat

1331
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: to something you don't have a map of because you

1332
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: don't know what exists. So in a way, you know anyway,

1333
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: All right, eight five five pasts five hundred is the

1334
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: ace ticket hutline. We'll start with Patty and aguam, what's up, Patty?

1335
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 3: What's right?

1336
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 19: Right?

1337
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 14: I want to go back to conversation that Fred and

1338
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 14: and Paul had prior to the season starting and regarding

1339
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 14: mac Jones. And I'm not trying to dog pile on

1340
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 14: mac Jones, but I think, and I'm paraphrasing, but Fred question,

1341
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 14: what's going to take for this team to make the

1342
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 14: playoffs and make a real run. And I think Paul said,

1343
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 14: I don't think he said elite, Paul, but I think

1344
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 14: he said, I think the quarterback has to be excellent,

1345
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 14: and I think through it safe to stay through a game.

1346
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 14: We haven't seen it. We've seen it for a game.

1347
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 14: I don't think we're going to see it for the

1348
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 14: rest of the season. But and just going back to yesterday,

1349
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:25,919
Speaker 14: I forgot the caller's name, but you know, even when

1350
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 14: the product on the field is lacking, the product in

1351
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 14: studio study is on point, goes above and beyond.

1352
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: So right, thank you very much. Appreciate that it's because

1353
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: of callers like you. Todz in North Carolina, what's up, Todd.

1354
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 7: Hey, guys, I just listened to your early talking about

1355
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 7: drafting and everything, and it just kind of something dawned

1356
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 7: on me. We're a to take a chance team when

1357
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 7: it comes to drafting offense. Like even the best guy

1358
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 7: that we've ever got. Brady was a chance. You know,

1359
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 7: it was the seventh round. You take a look at

1360
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 7: bringing in Edelman and bringing up even bringing Walker from

1361
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 7: the the Dolphins. I was like, hey, you guys are good,

1362
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 7: Let's take a chance on Bronk, big chance, you know,

1363
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 7: bumping Nikhil.

1364
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 14: Harry is like, hey, look.

1365
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 7: He's got something we might want take it. They don't

1366
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 7: go for solid like I think with Gunzels that was

1367
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 7: a solid pick. I think with a lot of their

1368
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 7: defensive picks they go for solid, they see it. You know,

1369
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 7: I think the solid pick would have been Zay Flowers.

1370
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 7: To be honest with you, I don't understand why they

1371
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 7: can't just take solid picks on offense. I think there's

1372
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 7: something missing in their offensive mindset. They just don't seem

1373
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 7: to be able to figure it out. And I don't

1374
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 7: know why. I don't know what it is.

1375
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 8: You guys, they've struggled. Yeah, it's a good point identifying.

1376
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, that's that's true.

1377
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 11: I don't really attach Harry into that, like.

1378
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 8: I just think I don't think Harry was like in

1379
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 8: that category. But I agree with Todd's overall points.

1380
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 11: Yeah, And I mean it's just the fact that they

1381
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 11: hit on Gronk and they hit on Adaman, like you

1382
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 11: know what I mean, they just you know.

1383
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 12: They drafted him.

1384
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 11: They you know, they had a plan, like you know,

1385
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 11: give them credit for that, but you know, if those

1386
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 11: picks hadn't happened, like where else are different?

1387
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 8: To me? Identity Christian Gonzalez is not the same as

1388
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 8: J C. Jackson.

1389
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think my frustration with their offensive drafting is

1390
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 9: that they they somehow figure it out like on Day

1391
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 9: three or an undrafted free agency even recently, but then

1392
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 9: they don't target those traits early. So for example, Pop

1393
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 9: Douglas is a perfect fit for the Bill O'Brien offense

1394
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 9: because of his quickness and his ability with the football

1395
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 9: in his hands. So instead they drafted Taekwon Thornton, who

1396
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 9: is a linear burner that is a deep threat to

1397
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 9: get up the field. So my whole thing has always

1398
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 9: just been why are we not drafting Pop Douglas is

1399
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 9: equivalent Flowers that's in a version, yea prospect And like

1400
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 9: back in you know, I was texting with Barth as

1401
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 9: we always do about everything and football wise, I mean,

1402
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 9: and he was said, you know, in twenty nineteen we

1403
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 9: were talking about Terry McLaurin, and he was like, you know,

1404
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 9: we were running the board, we probably would have taken

1405
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 9: Terry McLaurin, and it's like that that was he was

1406
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 9: a route runner, he has good hands, he goes over

1407
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 9: the middle, he plays on special teams.

1408
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 8: Like that's a Patriot.

1409
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 9: But instead they they took Nikhil Harry And so it's

1410
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 9: why can you you know what traits work for you?

1411
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,479
Speaker 9: You know what players like Cole Strange? Since when does

1412
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 9: like an athletic guard, Like, no, Mike on wen who

1413
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 9: is a Patriots guard, But you took Mike on Win

1414
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 9: who in the sixth round and he took Cole Strange

1415
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 9: in the first round.

1416
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 8: It just is it's all backwards.

1417
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 11: Do you think twenty twenty two really was like a

1418
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 11: schematic departure in terms of that's.

1419
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 12: The only thing because large strong like they just they went.

1420
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 8: They did so many I've heard a lot about and

1421
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 8: I've seen some good breakdowns some people have had on Twitter.

1422
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 8: I don't I don't believe it. I don't think that

1423
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,479
Speaker 8: they had a And you know, I talked a little

1424
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 8: bit in the preseason to James Ferrence was one of

1425
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 8: our players that we got on a preseason game production

1426
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 8: meeting and I talked to him about the differences in

1427
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 8: the offenses, you know, from Josh to last year to

1428
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 8: Billy Oh, and He's like, it's it's really a lot

1429
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 8: of a lot of the same stuff. It's now. This

1430
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 8: is also a guy who, let's face it, is like

1431
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 8: a coach James Ferrins.

1432
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 9: He literally he coaches the offensive line, comes on the

1433
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 9: road to coach the offensive line.

1434
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 8: So I get it. He might, you know, for him

1435
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 8: it might not be the same as it would be

1436
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 8: for someone else. But he feels like the base system

1437
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 8: didn't really change. Now. They certainly had plays that they accentuated.

1438
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 8: We can talk a lot, and I know Evan can

1439
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 8: talk for days about the differences in the way they

1440
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 8: tried to run the ball and you know, the zones

1441
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 8: in the come on on, my favorite phrase that you

1442
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 8: used in the running game pin and polls, come on

1443
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 8: didn't give me. I'm a simple man. I just need.

1444
01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 11: I just need what I would.

1445
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 8: Have been a one.

1446
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: I love it.

1447
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 9: I love a good cracks great, it's a great scheme.

1448
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 8: But anyways, felt like it felt like there was a

1449
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 8: little to all three, all three systems, even though they

1450
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 8: probably have some yeah, different, It's it's a talking point

1451
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 8: that comes.

1452
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 12: Up a lot with you know, Pierre Pierre Strong.

1453
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 8: So finding a way to contribute a little bit. So

1454
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 8: he has forty one catching run the other.

1455
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 9: Day, that's his only catch on the year.

1456
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 8: No, I know, he hasn't been a huge part.

1457
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 9: But the thing is about Pierre Strong and that trade

1458
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 9: still bugs me. Like he was the only scat back

1459
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 9: you had on the team. He's the only guy that

1460
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 9: has that skill set, he's the only explosive guy in

1461
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 9: space on the roster, and they it's just it's another

1462
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 9: one of those things.

1463
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 8: Like you traded a guy for someone who didn't ever

1464
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 8: even play in an NFL, not once, Like Pierre Strong

1465
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 8: played and played okay, and you can tell me, okay,

1466
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 8: he doesn't really fit what we want to do. I

1467
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 8: get it, Okay, great when we moved on, but like

1468
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 8: you just gave him away and you know, we weren't

1469
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 8: even supposed to entertain the idea of perhaps trading josh

1470
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 8: Ucha for like a fifth round pick, Like we just

1471
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 8: gave Pierre Strong away for nothing. I know, really, and

1472
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 8: we couldn't even talk about the trade deadline.

1473
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 12: It's crazy for how bad.

1474
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 11: They needed tackles, and they made that trade, which they

1475
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 11: gave up the most for. And then like, is Tyron

1476
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:26,919
Speaker 11: Whitley even going to be part of the team next year?

1477
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 12: Like is that? Like, like you said, do we just

1478
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 12: burn Pierre strong like we just said?

1479
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 8: And again, I'm not I don't think that we'll be

1480
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 8: sitting here in five years spread saying what Pierre strong Man,

1481
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 8: we could have had him, we had him. I don't

1482
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 8: think that that will happen. But it doesn't mean that

1483
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 8: he was completely valueless. You traded him for no value, right.

1484
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 11: Well, especially if you know Zekeeru Romander gets hurt here

1485
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 11: in the next you know, a few weeks or something,

1486
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 11: and you don't have any depth behind them at all.

1487
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 11: You mean, you're just right to Kevin Harris and there's

1488
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 11: somebody else on the practice squad. There's a running back,

1489
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 11: Patrick Taylor.

1490
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,479
Speaker 8: I know there was a time Fred where I knew

1491
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:04,439
Speaker 8: all the practice squad.

1492
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 1: Evan Evans left for practice. So when he gets back,

1493
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: we'll get that update. In the meantime, let's go to

1494
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 1: ide in Florida. What's up?

1495
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 5: I Hey, I've been listening if my first season, listening

1496
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 5: to you guys, and I've been a fan for about

1497
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 5: fifteen years.

1498
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 1: I wanted to say welcome.

1499
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 5: I really wish I would have started listening earlier.

1500
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 1: Well, you can go back and listen to the archives.

1501
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 5: I want to ask guys. Sadly Evan left, but I

1502
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 5: was going to say, what team do you think would

1503
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 5: be better if you put a prime Tom Brady on

1504
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 5: this roster? Or if you put a Mac Jones on

1505
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 5: like our sixteen, seventeen eighteen rosters where we went to

1506
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 5: three consecutive Super Bowls. So I just wanted to give

1507
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 5: your guys this.

1508
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 8: That's a great question.

1509
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 1: The team would be better?

1510
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 8: That's a yeah, that's a good interest.

1511
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 1: Thanks.

1512
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 8: I that's a good introduction though. Brady, Yeah, come on,

1513
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 8: don't you think that's a.

1514
01:07:56,800 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: Brady on this team? You know everybody's healthy again? Yeah,

1515
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 1: Or I think Brady on this team?

1516
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1517
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, I do too. And you're lucky you picked that

1518
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 8: way because how good you told me the defense was yesterday.

1519
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 8: That was the right answer for you, Very very consistent.

1520
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 8: Thank you were very consistent there. I would agree with you, guys,

1521
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 8: And it.

1522
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 11: Gives you nightmares trying to think a Mac trying to

1523
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 11: hit Cooks downfield.

1524
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 12: You'd be like, oh, they're not getting my guy the ball.

1525
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:22,640
Speaker 1: They have to do a double pass somebody, somebody. Some

1526
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 1: people say, you know Brady and Foxboro High.

1527
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 11: Foxboro Highs got some big kids. I'm telling you I

1528
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 11: saw him play a few weeks ago. They got a

1529
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 11: three hundred pounders.

1530
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,759
Speaker 8: They moved their way all the way down to Division five.

1531
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 8: Thankfully I don't have to worry about playing them because

1532
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 8: then I decided to ban us from the post.

1533
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 12: The division still work.

1534
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:41,679
Speaker 11: Division one is the best in division because like the biggest,

1535
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 11: but it's not quality of competition like well no, but

1536
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:47,759
Speaker 11: generally those things correlated.

1537
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 8: There are plenty of teams in Division five that could.

1538
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 8: Foxborough is one of them. Yeah, you know, Handover is

1539
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 8: another one they could. They could beat teams in higher divisions. Yeah,

1540
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 8: f Wick Wick has beaten teams in higher divisions this year,

1541
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,760
Speaker 8: but they couldn't play with like Saint John's Prep or CM. Yeah,

1542
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:06,919
Speaker 8: those are just too big.

1543
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 1: And als in Wisconsin.

1544
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 8: What's up?

1545
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 5: Al?

1546
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:17,600
Speaker 6: Hey, Uh, So I've got a taken development that I

1547
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 6: kind of wanted your thoughts.

1548
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 1: Let's do it.

1549
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 6: So I'm thinking, obviously we've been talking a lot about

1550
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,679
Speaker 6: what the future is going to be, and I think

1551
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 6: most people here agree that. They start of like to

1552
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 6: see the season played out and then Bill and the

1553
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 6: team sort of part ways amicably and kind of move

1554
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 6: onto the future. But then I'm seeing like the news

1555
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 6: about the contract coming out, and then the other day

1556
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 6: on the radio, Bill saying that, you know, he can't

1557
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 6: possibly be coach n GM, and it feels like he's

1558
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 6: sort of absolving himself of that. So I almost feel

1559
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 6: like Bill setting himself up to be like, hey, they're

1560
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 6: gonna have to fire me if I'm not here next year,

1561
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 6: Like I'm not taking responsibility to this line.

1562
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 1: I don't take it like that.

1563
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 8: I'm a thousand percent with l Okay. I do think

1564
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 8: that he's there's something to it.

1565
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 1: You think he's absolving himself.

1566
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 8: I think he's trying to say both, like he's sort

1567
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 8: of separating himself from the personnel side. I don't think

1568
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 8: that's working because I don't think anybody buys it. But

1569
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 8: more importantly, I think he's trying to say, yeah, I'm

1570
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 8: not just gonna make it easy for you to walk away.

1571
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:33,719
Speaker 8: I intend to keep coaching, and if you want another

1572
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:34,799
Speaker 8: coach here, you're gonna.

1573
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 12: Have to fire him.

1574
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 1: Well, do you do you think he was also kind

1575
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 1: of telling us that some of my duties have been

1576
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 1: taken away.

1577
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 8: I don't know.

1578
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 12: I don't think so, No, I don't.

1579
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,680
Speaker 11: I think this is somewhat maybe just another one of

1580
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 11: these situations where it feels like he's kind of I

1581
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 11: feel it was almost with the we have to reset

1582
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:53,719
Speaker 11: this week that line. You know, he's saying these signs

1583
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,639
Speaker 11: that there's these like little sayings that the GM thing

1584
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:58,680
Speaker 11: like that. He doesn't really mean it that way, but

1585
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 11: then he kind of paints himself into a corner and

1586
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 11: then he doesn't he's not able to like really get

1587
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 11: out of it and be like, look, I just meant

1588
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 11: we have to reset, like we always do, start over

1589
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 11: in the week, forget this game, refocus on next week.

1590
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 11: We're not going to blow everything up tomorrow and try

1591
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 11: to figure it out, you know, Like I think that's

1592
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 11: what he really meant. But then everyone's like, oh my god,

1593
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 11: they're going to reset everything, and then, you know, so

1594
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 11: I just feel like he's getting himself into these situations

1595
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 11: that he's not going to dig himself out of because

1596
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 11: it would take him like having to explain something he said,

1597
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 11: and so he just lets everybody kind of run with it.

1598
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 8: Well because because the bottom line is he kind of

1599
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 8: doesn't care what we think.

1600
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, but did you catch the one thing

1601
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 1: where he caught himself and he was talking about, you know,

1602
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,759
Speaker 1: personnel and coaching, and he said, you know, when I

1603
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 1: talked something along the line that when I talked to

1604
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 1: him meaning mac grow and then he corrected himself the department,

1605
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: you know, like so it was almost like he didn't

1606
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 1: want people to think that mac growe has power and

1607
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 1: I have power and we talk with each other. It

1608
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,640
Speaker 1: was more department to department, you know.

1609
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 8: And I also think that he I've been around this

1610
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 8: whole time of his I've never heard him say how

1611
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 8: difficult it would be to handle both of those jobs.

1612
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 8: At the same time, I think that was an effort

1613
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 8: to say, you know, this isn't all on me. The

1614
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 8: roster of God here is a collective not not just

1615
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 8: not just my fault.

1616
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 1: Well, but I also took it as hey, you know,

1617
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 1: these guys do their job, you know, and and I

1618
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 1: trust them to do their job, and when there's something

1619
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: that they need to talk to me about, they talked

1620
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 1: to me.

1621
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 8: About the bottom line is he has final say on

1622
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 8: the Yeah, and I don't think there's any like But

1623
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 8: I don't think there was an ambiguity to that at all.

1624
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 8: But I think he tried to make it sound that way.

1625
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I said, I didn't take it that way, like

1626
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 1: he was saying that no one Hill didn't have full control.

1627
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 8: Full time coaching is a full time job.

1628
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's you know, that's I mean, I.

1629
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 1: Said, but this time of the year. But I think

1630
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 1: this time of the year he's focused on getting ready

1631
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 1: for Washington and they're focused on personnel, which that's their job,

1632
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 1: and when they need to consult me they do. I

1633
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 1: think I think it was pretty it was that simple.

1634
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 8: But I think he's trying to distance from the talent.

1635
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know. But if he's doing that, then

1636
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 1: he's saying I'm not making the choices.

1637
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 12: Right, so then let's make it official.

1638
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 8: I think he's trying to make it vague like this

1639
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 8: isn't you know, maybe it's not all on him, because

1640
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 8: right now, wouldn't you say that the worm is turned

1641
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 8: on Bill in the court of public opinion? Oh, it's

1642
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 8: I don't know what the percentage is, but it at

1643
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:27,680
Speaker 8: least the more right last year. At this time, I

1644
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:29,600
Speaker 8: don't think you had more than twenty percent of the

1645
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 8: people saying that it might be time to.

1646
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:32,599
Speaker 1: Make a change. I think it was more than that then.

1647
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 8: I think it's a lot more than that now.

1648
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 1: I think the moment Brady won that Super Bowl, it changed.

1649
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 8: Yeah. I don't think that people wanted to get rid

1650
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 8: of Bill. I mean we still have passionate, defensive Bill.

1651
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 3: Well.

1652
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 1: I think the people they were they were less emboldened,

1653
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 1: so they were silent, but now they feel emboldened to

1654
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:51,760
Speaker 1: say it because I think they were always there.

1655
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1656
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 8: Well, I think there was always people that didn't like Bill,

1657
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 8: but they recognized he was a great coach. Now the

1658
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:00,719
Speaker 8: people that don't like him also are wondering how great

1659
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 8: was he ever, which you know that never happened, And

1660
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 8: I think do you get some of that now? Again,

1661
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 8: I don't know what the number is, but to Fred

1662
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 8: Zeitgeist things zeitgeist, Yeahzeitgeist, it's definitely in the zeitgeist that

1663
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 8: more people than not want him gone.

1664
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 11: I mean twenty the decision last year with Patricia and

1665
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:20,640
Speaker 11: what they did the offense that might might have been

1666
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 11: the thing that hurt, Like, I think twenty twenty. You know, Brady,

1667
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 11: it goes to a stacked team. It's COVID give you

1668
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 11: a chance to like you know, you know, I mean,

1669
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 11: we all know how miserably was when Brady won that one,

1670
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 11: but you know, I wasn't really And then it felt

1671
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 11: like when they drafted Mac. I mean I remember standing

1672
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 11: out on that field when the Mac came in, and

1673
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 11: you know, felt like kind of COVID had passed and

1674
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 11: we were all out on the field and it felt

1675
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 11: like things are going back to normal.

1676
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 8: We got the quarterback.

1677
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 12: Or right here we had a great free agency. You know,

1678
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:47,680
Speaker 12: it felt like here we go.

1679
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 8: Mike is right about that good start, good start to

1680
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 8: the season, like, oh, you know, some tough ones, but man,

1681
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 8: this came until we drafted them.

1682
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 12: Yeah, and then you know, and then was right after

1683
01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 12: that Buffalo the Buffalo wind win, and then you went

1684
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:00,719
Speaker 12: on the break.

1685
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 8: We got the best quarterback. We didn't have to try

1686
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 8: it up chess checkers. We just sat there at fifteen

1687
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 8: to let him come to us. We like, no one

1688
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:12,680
Speaker 8: wanted him until they drafted him. Then he became the

1689
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 8: best quarterback in the draft. Now he's slipped back to

1690
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 8: number two.

1691
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, year he was even.

1692
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 8: Though I don't think he is the numbers, not for

1693
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 8: anybody that was watching, including you. Wow, No, I knew

1694
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 8: that you by the way you saw, he had the

1695
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:26,679
Speaker 8: best that Trevor Lawrence could play.

1696
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 1: Oh, I knew that, But he had the technically speaking,

1697
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:31,839
Speaker 1: he had the best year of any quarterback.

1698
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 8: I would love, believe me, I would love to snarkily

1699
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 8: make fun of you for saying things like that. You didn't.

1700
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 8: You were always Trevor Lawrence.

1701
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 1: And I and I and I said it that year.

1702
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 1: Yes you did, of course, because I knew what Trevor

1703
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 1: Lawrence was gonna be, Fred knows compared to what Mac

1704
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 1: was going to be. So there's no doubt. But if

1705
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:51,719
Speaker 1: you wanted to make the case who had the best

1706
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 1: year that season, it was Mac. Yeah he did, you know,

1707
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 1: But I knew that Trevor was better.

1708
01:15:57,840 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 3: Right.

1709
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 11: But that's I mean, that's kind of been the line

1710
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:03,719
Speaker 11: three years, and then you know, the decision with Patricia

1711
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 11: was just the doozy.

1712
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 1: Let's go to Eldred in North Carolina.

1713
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:10,680
Speaker 19: Hey, Aldred, Hey tell us, how y'all doing this?

1714
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 1: All right?

1715
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 12: Hello Eldred Deuce.

1716
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,719
Speaker 19: Yes, I'm gonna always jump on you get like who's

1717
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 19: that to say, he's my quarterback jumping on Tom Brady

1718
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 19: and he was to a stacked team. Yeah, he had

1719
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 19: learned the team and the players, but he won, you know,

1720
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 19: so that's just Brady. But I got one question for you.

1721
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 19: I know y'all talking.

1722
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 20: About the Personaire move.

1723
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 19: Let's say we're going a five to five game run, right, yep,

1724
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 19: and then we'll lose the rest of the game. Right.

1725
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 19: Ain't the same guy making the choices next year with

1726
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 19: next year draft? And how you feel about it?

1727
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:50,720
Speaker 1: So we end up seven and nine. Obviously Matt had

1728
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 1: to have done something in order to be seven and nine.

1729
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 8: I don't think so.

1730
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 19: No, I don't think so.

1731
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 8: If you go five and four with the rest of

1732
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 8: their games, it doesn't necessarily mean you to back played

1733
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 8: all that much.

1734
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 1: Well, probably I could.

1735
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 8: I mean, you could beat the Giants, you could beat

1736
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 8: the You don't.

1737
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 1: About it, that's true.

1738
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Speaker 12: You don't feel great about it, that's yeah.

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Speaker 1: But the Colts are going to score points. They they've

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Speaker 1: scored points this.

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Speaker 8: Year, you know, Okay, but what if they don't that day?

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Speaker 1: Well no, but I'm just saying, looking ahead, who are

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Speaker 1: these teams? The Colts are team that has scored points.

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Speaker 1: They're not like the Jets and the Giants.

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Speaker 8: I agree, But maybe the defense wins those games. That's

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Speaker 8: my point. It's possible the defense beat the Jets who

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Speaker 8: built the defense bill and.

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Speaker 19: Again, right, if the guy make the same choices that

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Speaker 19: he didn't make it for the last fifteen years, I

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Speaker 19: miss it and get it. But off the gym, how

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Speaker 19: would you feel.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be happy.

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Speaker 8: I mean, if they go seven and ten and run

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Speaker 8: it all back, I won't.

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Speaker 1: Be happy me too.

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Speaker 8: I'll be upfront about that now. If something that I

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Speaker 8: don't envision happens and Matcus lights it up the second

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Speaker 8: half of the year and they score thirty points seven

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Speaker 8: out of the nine games, and they finished the season

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Speaker 8: red hot and go eight nine or something like that.

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Speaker 8: But they're scoring and all kinds of entertaining games, that's different.

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Speaker 8: But if they just sort of slog through and win

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Speaker 8: some and lose some, and it's the same offense that

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Speaker 8: we've seen, and it's the same defense that we've seen

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Speaker 8: beaten up on bad bad quarterbacks, I think they need

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Speaker 8: to change. Yeah, you know, they got they got a backup.

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Speaker 8: They have a young kid who's never really done anything.

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Speaker 8: In Howell. This week, they have a backup. The next

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Speaker 8: week they're gonna have a probably gonna have a backup

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Speaker 8: against the Giants. Like if they I absolutely can see

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Speaker 8: them winning some of these games. It's not gonna tell

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Speaker 8: me anything about any improvement.

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Speaker 11: I think it's just gonna tell you how close to

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Speaker 11: the bottom are they. You know, they're playing teams that

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Speaker 11: are Denver the Giants. I mean, these are you know,

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Speaker 11: bottom barrel teams right now. Only really what the Chiefs

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Speaker 11: and the Bills are the really good ones. So I

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Speaker 11: don't know, You're just I think you're gonna know exactly

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Speaker 11: where they stand at the end of the year.

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Speaker 1: I think that Jets game is gonna be a tough game.

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Speaker 8: Whether I think if the Jades, if the Jets Jades,

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Speaker 8: if the Jets have a chance to make the playoffs,

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Speaker 8: I would say that Jets will win that game.

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Speaker 1: What a game that Lucas is in on the line.

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Speaker 1: What's up, Lucas?

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Speaker 14: Hey, how's it going guys?

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Speaker 6: Okay, they called a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 21: About best of the best free agent pickups when we're

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Speaker 21: facing Steph and obviously we mentioned Judon, but I was

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Speaker 21: got me thinking about, like who's our best offensive uh

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Speaker 21: free agent?

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Speaker 19: Like with it?

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Speaker 21: I think the cheap answer is you know Edelman obviously,

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Speaker 21: but is it like Ammondola, like I don't know, like

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Speaker 21: and are we going to attract any real free agents

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Speaker 21: in the off season? And I know Paul's gonna say,

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Speaker 21: if you pay him, they'll come.

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Speaker 8: But oh yeah no, but I do agree with that.

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Speaker 8: But that's your question is still valid? Will they pay

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Speaker 8: them after they did that in twenty one and it

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Speaker 8: didn't work. That's a I mean, it's a good question.

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Speaker 21: That's offensive free agents, that we've signed.

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Speaker 8: The best free agent offensive player, best offensive player. They

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01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 8: signed a free agent, true free agent, so it doesn't

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Speaker 8: count Moss or Welker.

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Speaker 1: Cooks Cook that was a trade trade.

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Speaker 8: They have a lot of trades, but free agent addition, offensively.

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Speaker 21: I don't know, it's got to be Amandola. And then.

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Speaker 1: Welker was a restricted free agent, right, Welker was a trade?

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Speaker 1: Oh he was a trade too.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, he was at restricted free agent but they ended

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Speaker 8: up trading for him. Okay, yeah, yeah, they don't have

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01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 8: a lot for Dylan. That was a trade trade, all right.

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Speaker 1: So like but you can see Okay, thanks Lucas you can.

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Speaker 8: Sort of see it's sort of deceiving.

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Speaker 11: It's deceiving, right, well, it's it's trying to.

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Speaker 8: It's like there's a lot of good players they've acquired,

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Speaker 8: as you know, from other organizations. Offensively, Yeah, just because

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01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 8: none of them what free agents, doesn't mean you know,

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Speaker 8: it's probably Amidola.

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Speaker 1: He's right, Patrick says, Deuce is one thousand percent correct.

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Speaker 8: I agree. I don't even know what we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: It's not just build a GM, it's also Bill a coach.

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01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 1: The team hasn't been well coached in a few years.

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01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 1: All the trend are going the wrong way. But most importantly,

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Speaker 1: I don't feel Bill as the same coach he used

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Speaker 1: to be. I'm going to keep saying it. Bill has

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Speaker 1: lost as one hundred mile per hour fastball and now

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Speaker 1: is just a good coach amongst other good coaches. Nothing

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Speaker 1: exceptional about the coaching on this It's.

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01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 8: Like Detroit Tiger's Frank Tanana.

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Speaker 1: He's just got to learn how to throw a knuckleball.

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Speaker 8: Still paint in the corners at ninety two, We can

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Speaker 8: still coach. He's and I believe that I No one

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Speaker 8: will ever tell me that he's not a great coach. Now,

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Speaker 8: is he doing a great job right now?

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Speaker 1: Currently?

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01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 8: Probably not right, But I saw this guy do enough

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01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 8: as a coach that I I'm pretty comfortable saying that

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01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 8: I feel like he's a great coach.

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Speaker 11: Like I'm sure there are other I mean, it's hard

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Speaker 11: to think going off my at the top of my head,

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01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 11: but of you know, just great coaches that the team

1844
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 11: kind of fell apart around them, and you know, I

1845
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:47,839
Speaker 11: know Bill's GM, so it's kind of a unique scenario,

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01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:49,759
Speaker 11: but you know, they're still great coaches.

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01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:51,639
Speaker 12: And then you know, just because this team kind.

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Speaker 11: Of fell apart, you lost it well able to put

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01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 11: it back together, and he could maybe go somewhere else

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01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:56,640
Speaker 11: and still do it. But you know, I like, like

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01:21:56,680 --> 01:22:00,680
Speaker 11: I per my earlier rant, you know, it's it's not

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01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 11: a well coach football team. And I can't tell you

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01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:04,799
Speaker 11: that it has been. It's it's been frustrated.

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01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:09,759
Speaker 1: Parker from Manhattan sent an interesting email. We're talking about

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Speaker 1: the ineligible man downfield role.

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Speaker 8: So he went to he went, no, wonder why you

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01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 8: find well, I'm not going to.

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Speaker 1: Read the whole thing, but he went to chat GBT

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Speaker 1: to get an explanation, and it was good. Not going

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Speaker 1: to read it all, but there's four points ALEVN level

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Speaker 1: playing field, safety, strategic integrity, and clarity for officials and

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Speaker 1: viewers in the description of what each of those mean,

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01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 1: which made sense, but then he went further. He also

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Speaker 1: used He also used chat GBT to analyze.

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Speaker 11: The hosts oh God, oh boy, Patriots unfiltered in this and.

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Speaker 1: So this is interesting, so chat gbt according to this

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Speaker 1: AI Paul Pirillo known for his deep understanding of the

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01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 1: game in the New England Patriots. He is often seen

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01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 1: as a voice of reason on the show, providing analytical

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01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:00,959
Speaker 1: insights in well reasoned arguments.

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01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:03,719
Speaker 8: Even I would say that's a state.

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01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 1: Mike do So brings a fresh perspective to the show

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01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 1: with a mix of analysis and fan insights. He's been

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01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 1: recognized for his balanced views and passion for the.

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01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,919
Speaker 8: Game and his love of silver pants and hoodies.

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Speaker 1: Fred Kersh As the show's moderator, Fred has the challenging

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01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 1: role of keeping the discussions on track while injecting his

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01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:27,599
Speaker 1: own thoughts. He's known for his humorous takes and keeping

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01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 1: the show lighthearted. Okay, I would agree.

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01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 8: You have the hardest job.

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01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:35,760
Speaker 1: This is the one I have a problem with. J

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Speaker 1: chat chiept Eric Scalavina appreciated for his attention to detail

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01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 1: and his commitment to providing accurate information. He's known for

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01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 1: backing up his points in facts with stats, making him

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Speaker 1: a reliable source of information. I well, no, he's got

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Speaker 1: Eric Scalavino.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean he does have one.

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01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 1: I had the thing, the key one that you know,

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Speaker 1: I raised an eyebrow at was accurate information? How many

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Speaker 1: times did he come off like he was and then

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01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:12,599
Speaker 1: we would look it up and no, that's not it.

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01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 8: You know, you're talking about just life in general or whatever.

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01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:18,760
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:20,960
Speaker 1: I thought we were just talking about the Patriots, So

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01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting.

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Speaker 8: So he doesn't have one for Evan.

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01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 1: He doesn't, so I wonder.

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01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 8: If that's supposed to be Evan.

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01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,840
Speaker 1: Maybe, well we'll see, but maybe Parker, if you want

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01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 1: to do one specifically for Evan. Good.

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01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 8: Thanks for being kind to me. Obviously you inputed the rights.

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01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 12: To say what the question was.

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01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:37,719
Speaker 1: Well, he doesn't input anything.

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01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 12: He just says, tell me, tell me what who Paul

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01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:40,600
Speaker 12: Parillo is?

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01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 1: I think, so give us an analysis. That was the

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01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 1: prompt because they go and.

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01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, you have to prompt something. I mean, I don't know.

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01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 1: Maybe it goes because on the Apple, you know, people

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01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 1: give reviews of the plots, so maybe it's based on

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Speaker 1: reviews from listeners or maybe I don't know.

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Speaker 8: Like Reddit threads about that hard to believe based on

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01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:04,599
Speaker 8: my email and tweets, my acts, I.

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Speaker 11: Was hoping they were going to be like Paul also

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01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 11: appears on ninety eight point five The Sports, Like you

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01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 11: know I needed, like, yeah, actual information on my show.

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Speaker 1: Packed it up?

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Speaker 12: Oh tease it.

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01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 11: Maybe you should tease the shows next week too.

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01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, you actually don't have Evan as a host.

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01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 10: I just typed in tell me about Patriots Unfiltered and

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01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:24,720
Speaker 10: as hosted by Paul Parello, Eric Scalavino, Mike Desso, you've

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01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 10: have friend's name in here?

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01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:27,719
Speaker 12: No, Megan, Wow, Well.

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Speaker 1: I do you have a plan of attack today for

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01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 1: your show?

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01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 12: I do not tangle.

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Speaker 8: I know the McDaniel's stuff is on their minds, which

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01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 8: I'm not overly interested in, and I kind of told

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Speaker 8: them so, but I still think it's going to be

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Speaker 8: coming up, and then it's just continue of like our

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Speaker 8: our conversation, just how do you fix this? How do

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Speaker 8: you fix this?

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Speaker 10: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Christopher the t I a n great discussion about acquiring

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Speaker 1: and re signing players. The big problem I see there

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01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 1: was simply no core of this team, no five to

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01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 1: ten players they can say, Okay, this is who we

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01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 1: are building around. I worry about resigning the Big three

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Speaker 1: of Doug or USh and A WHENU. I have flashbacks

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01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: to the Jones Collins in High Tower, where the only

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01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:16,640
Speaker 1: ended up signing High Tower. Also, I don't think this

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01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 1: big three is as good or worth resigning. I think

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01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:24,120
Speaker 1: like they'd be signed simply because they have the need. However,

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01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 1: who was pulling the trigger of this offseason will determine

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Speaker 1: that and PS good luck today Paul from four to

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Speaker 1: five on felgrin Maz. Hopefully he can get through his

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Speaker 1: weekly segment without Jimmy playing snorting bill drops and the

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Speaker 1: boys crackling like hyena hyenas.

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Speaker 8: Like last week was just like they're playing a bill

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Speaker 8: drop that was like over the top even for Bill

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Speaker 8: with the snorts. And now I was like, you guys

1953
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Speaker 8: have nineteen other hours a week to do this, Why

1954
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 8: do you have to do it in the one hour

1955
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 8: a week that I spent with you? Just in case

1956
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:57,959
Speaker 8: someone's listening, and I like get ripped for like smirking

1957
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:01,320
Speaker 8: the laughing cause it's funny. I'm not denying that, but

1958
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:03,719
Speaker 8: you know, how about a little something.

1959
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:07,759
Speaker 1: For the effort, Gavin says, to your point on keeping

1960
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:09,800
Speaker 1: players that work for them, if they kept players that

1961
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 1: work in their scheme, why not keep them?

1962
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 8: If they have players that work in their scheme, why

1963
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 8: not keep them.

1964
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 1: It would make it easier in future drafts by not

1965
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 1: having to waste picks on replacements. This way, they can

1966
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 1: focus more in upgrading than gap filling.

1967
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 8: Right, And that's why I don't like some of the

1968
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 8: draft picks, like even this year and the jury's still out,

1969
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 8: but it's Gonzales, White, Mapoo, two of those guys. I mean,

1970
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 8: Gonzales was a definite need, huge need. And I'm not

1971
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 8: saying that because he's He looks like he's going to

1972
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 8: be a good player based on the first three games.

1973
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 8: But White and Mapoo just added layers or depth now

1974
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 8: that you don't need to have. Now, my guess is,

1975
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 8: you know they probably will. They'll probably let some of

1976
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 8: these guys go and plug those guys in for a year,

1977
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:02,600
Speaker 8: and then those guys will go and the and the

1978
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 8: vicious cycle continues. Instead of just identifying a half dozen

1979
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:09,760
Speaker 8: guys that you say, okay, these this this guy we

1980
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 8: took four years ago is good enough. Let's just take him.

1981
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,680
Speaker 8: And then in this draft three years later, maybe we

1982
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 8: can find a wide receiver. You know, maybe we don't

1983
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 8: have to worry about finding some targets or you know,

1984
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 8: seeing if he can get a distress asset like Devonte Parker,

1985
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:29,719
Speaker 8: who you know, was on Miami and it was okay

1986
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:31,599
Speaker 8: in Miami, but they didn't need him because they were

1987
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 8: going with a different system that they felt like he

1988
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 8: wasn't really suited for. So hey, perfect for us. We

1989
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 8: can swoop in and get them, like you get what

1990
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 8: you pay for.

1991
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:44,080
Speaker 1: And guess what we've got, Evan.

1992
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:53,320
Speaker 19: As we turned, as we turned, as we.

1993
01:28:53,360 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 1: Turned, all right, Evan on the cool day out there,

1994
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:02,880
Speaker 1: temperature wise, how was it?

1995
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 9: It is?

1996
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 8: Chili?

1997
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 9: I did not enjoy that piece of this anyways. Four

1998
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:10,519
Speaker 9: absences at Patriots. Probably we can get to the mood

1999
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 9: in a second. Four appum wide receiver DeVante Parker, Trent Brown,

2000
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:25,639
Speaker 9: Calvin Anderson, and the worst one Pharaoh Brown not the

2001
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 9: Pharaoh guy for Jawan. So Juwan Bentley was there but

2002
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 9: not moving a lot. They were and Jawan Bentley, I

2003
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 9: would say it was not participating.

2004
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 8: In that, so you wouldn't be surprised if he is

2005
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 8: a d n P.

2006
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:44,760
Speaker 9: Correct, But I do think it's good that he was

2007
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 9: there aund because that means that you know, he's trying

2008
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 9: to get.

2009
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 1: Trent Brown is just.

2010
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:52,759
Speaker 9: See you Sunday.

2011
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, even though he's the only real tackle they have.

2012
01:29:55,720 --> 01:30:01,160
Speaker 1: We don't want Sunday. So twenty four degrees on my

2013
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 1: Apple Watch? What would what did it feel like?

2014
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 8: Gotten it out again?

2015
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 9: It was it was chilly, it was brisk, and that

2016
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:13,000
Speaker 9: you know, there's a lot of people that were definitely

2017
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 9: moving around and you know, trying to keep the body,

2018
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 9: the media to that cold people under I think it

2019
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:25,360
Speaker 9: was more. I think it was more the under dressing. Yeah,

2020
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 9: we're all ticked up. No, I got my my my

2021
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:30,840
Speaker 9: fall jacket today and it's it's it's close to like

2022
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 9: winter jacket temperature.

2023
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 1: Honestly. Yeah. Now on Sunday it's going to be I

2024
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 1: think close to sixty. Right, it's going to be nice.

2025
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:40,760
Speaker 12: I was just looking at the Frankfurt weather. But yes,

2026
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 12: I believe it's going to be nice this weekend.

2027
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:47,839
Speaker 11: Okay, I have fifty but but for those of us interested.

2028
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:49,600
Speaker 12: It looks like Frankfurt. It's going to be No, no,

2029
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 12: them look like rain right now for when we're there.

2030
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:52,759
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, what's.

2031
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:53,400
Speaker 8: The temperature there?

2032
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 1: We'll get them when we get fifty in the fifty Yeah,

2033
01:30:56,439 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that. Yeah, well, I know, so given

2034
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 1: the weather, given the temperature, what was the mood of

2035
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 1: the players.

2036
01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:10,280
Speaker 9: The players they see you still seem like players like

2037
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 9: into it, you know, I don't know. I mean, I

2038
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:15,400
Speaker 9: keep on work, I keep on trying to I really seriously,

2039
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:19,680
Speaker 9: I keep trying to find some quit, you know, like

2040
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 9: I keep looking for it, and I keep trying to

2041
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 9: find if there's any sort of look of quit or

2042
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:29,280
Speaker 9: or you know, open around or whatever. And I didn't

2043
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 9: see a whole lot of that.

2044
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 8: So I was leaving here yesterday and one of the

2045
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:39,120
Speaker 8: gentlemen that works works for the stadium. You know, I

2046
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 8: don't know if he was like a maintenance guy maybe

2047
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:45,080
Speaker 8: I'm not sure exactly what department, but he's doesn't pay

2048
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 8: attention to some guy.

2049
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:49,120
Speaker 12: No, no, no, no, I didn't.

2050
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:50,559
Speaker 1: Say that he knew who you were.

2051
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 8: Well, I mean he didn't say mister, he said Paul.

2052
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 8: But we were talking and as we were walking out.

2053
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 8: He's like, you know, he goes. I was just I

2054
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:05,439
Speaker 8: was just down around. Like with the players, there's a

2055
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 8: bunch of guys like they're like laughing and joking around.

2056
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 8: And I said, one of the things that really shocked

2057
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:15,559
Speaker 8: me when I first started working here one hundred years ago,

2058
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 8: was you get on the plane after a loss, and

2059
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 8: you'd have no idea if they want or lost, Like

2060
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 8: the game's over. I know they all care, but the

2061
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:29,639
Speaker 8: game's over and it's time to move on. Like that's

2062
01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:31,680
Speaker 8: the way they are. Like to Evan's point, like you're

2063
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:35,880
Speaker 8: looking for indications that people are upset, I think you'd

2064
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 8: be hard pressed to find.

2065
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 1: That you were on the planet oh seven, Oh that

2066
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:40,719
Speaker 1: was different.

2067
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:43,559
Speaker 8: Yeah, I actually was on the planet seven with a

2068
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:46,640
Speaker 8: lot of the players. And that's an example. Like I

2069
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 8: remember like the postgame party.

2070
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 1: Well yeah that was I didn't like that at all.

2071
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 8: I remember like going like I felt like I was

2072
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 8: going out to players like almost like I'm sorrying like

2073
01:32:58,280 --> 01:32:59,680
Speaker 8: and I'm not going to name any names because I

2074
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:01,719
Speaker 8: don't want people to think that these guys didn't play

2075
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:03,800
Speaker 8: hard and think and didn't care. But they were like, yeah,

2076
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 8: you know, what are.

2077
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:04,720
Speaker 12: You gonna do.

2078
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:06,599
Speaker 8: Yeah, what are you gonna do? You know, like they

2079
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:09,559
Speaker 8: they whooped us. They you know, they were better than

2080
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:11,559
Speaker 8: us today and you know we did when you don't

2081
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:13,800
Speaker 8: bring it, that can have we? You know, they were

2082
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:15,720
Speaker 8: more physical than us. I talked to like five or

2083
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:18,880
Speaker 8: six different guys after that game. You'd never know I

2084
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:20,320
Speaker 8: saw them, never know.

2085
01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:22,599
Speaker 1: I saw the lineman walk into the hotel and tell

2086
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:25,280
Speaker 1: the hotel to turn the highlights off on the TV.

2087
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:29,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm like, I'm like that. Like, maybe not as

2088
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:32,599
Speaker 9: much anymore, but when I was growing up, me too,

2089
01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 9: next day highlights, No chance.

2090
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:37,200
Speaker 8: I still haven't seen any of the Super Bowls that

2091
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:39,960
Speaker 8: they lost. Remember that we are killing the Patriots still,

2092
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 8: Shannon Sharp, I was so mad after that game. And

2093
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:47,240
Speaker 8: I was an adult. I wasn't just I was so

2094
01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 8: mad after that.

2095
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 1: Threw a sippy cup across the room. Yeah, Google got got.

2096
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:57,679
Speaker 1: Cody writes in Mike giving a SOPs my story tone

2097
01:33:57,760 --> 01:33:59,679
Speaker 1: about how awful it is to root for a team

2098
01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 1: to lose. Who is insane? You don't have to do

2099
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:04,719
Speaker 1: that at all. If you're a fan, cheer for your team.

2100
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,200
Speaker 1: Good god, what are we even talking about on this

2101
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 1: show today?

2102
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:08,080
Speaker 19: Now?

2103
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 1: Oh?

2104
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:12,640
Speaker 8: Jeez, check a. I don't think chok a turn misunderstood

2105
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:16,559
Speaker 8: right there. Finger wag. It's nothing worse than the finger wag,

2106
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:17,639
Speaker 8: especially when it's wrong.

2107
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:23,160
Speaker 1: Somebody, Sebastian from Clifton, New Jersey says shat GBT is

2108
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 1: trained on older Internet information. I'm not one hundred percent certain,

2109
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:29,560
Speaker 1: but it probably still thinks Tom Brady is the quarterback

2110
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:33,719
Speaker 1: AnyWho quick prediction. I don't want this, but I believe

2111
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:36,280
Speaker 1: the Patriots will bring back BB and Mac for the

2112
01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:39,840
Speaker 1: duration of max rookie contract, whatever that may be, and

2113
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,679
Speaker 1: BB will ride off into the sunset with his record

2114
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:45,679
Speaker 1: and the craft, save themselves the embarrassment of letting two

2115
01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:49,559
Speaker 1: goats walk away from the organization and have success elsewhere.

2116
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:51,800
Speaker 1: Love the show and thank you for all you do.

2117
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:54,439
Speaker 11: That ambitious, Do you think that's a real thing about,

2118
01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:56,320
Speaker 11: like not wanting to let someone else walk away?

2119
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:58,080
Speaker 12: Do you think they're worried about about that?

2120
01:34:58,280 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 11: Like you know that he might go somewhere else in

2121
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:01,559
Speaker 11: and win somewhere else like.

2122
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:03,559
Speaker 8: Oh, and I don't know about win somewhere else. It's

2123
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:08,280
Speaker 8: just not having a nice I think being tied to

2124
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:11,200
Speaker 8: the end of parcels, the end of Brady and the

2125
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:14,479
Speaker 8: end of Belichick is something that the Craft family thinks about.

2126
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:17,880
Speaker 8: I don't know about the record. I'm just talking about,

2127
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:22,240
Speaker 8: you have arguably two of the greatest coaches, and you're tied.

2128
01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 8: You know, he actually could could add I mean, Carol's

2129
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:28,240
Speaker 8: going to be a Hall of Fame coach too, probably.

2130
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 9: I just wonder, like with the whole So Bill's seventy

2131
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:37,160
Speaker 9: two and you and he talks about how he really

2132
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:39,439
Speaker 9: didn't feel like he had the Patriots up and running

2133
01:35:39,479 --> 01:35:41,720
Speaker 9: into like three right, I think he says like three

2134
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:44,680
Speaker 9: years or something like that. So at seventy two he's

2135
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:48,080
Speaker 9: going to move to a different team and then get

2136
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:52,160
Speaker 9: the program up and running from scratch, and unless he

2137
01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:55,519
Speaker 9: goes to the Chargers, but he's still in his mind.

2138
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:57,080
Speaker 9: I feel like he's still going to think I still

2139
01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 9: have to get my program.

2140
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:01,639
Speaker 8: I don't think he has any interest in going somewhere else.

2141
01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 8: It just seems like a lot. Yeah, but I think

2142
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:07,519
Speaker 8: he would if if he got fired. I think he would,

2143
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:09,960
Speaker 8: like I don't think he wants to, but I think

2144
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:10,320
Speaker 8: he would.

2145
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:13,760
Speaker 1: Matt says from Newport Beach that the free version of

2146
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:16,320
Speaker 1: chat GBT only goes up to twenty twenty one. So

2147
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:18,760
Speaker 1: that would explain why I know Evan somebody did a

2148
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:22,000
Speaker 1: chat GBT of who are all the hosts and what

2149
01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:22,600
Speaker 1: are they like?

2150
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:24,880
Speaker 8: And uh, it's pretty good.

2151
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:27,080
Speaker 1: It didn't have you in there, but that would explain it. Yeah,

2152
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:28,599
Speaker 1: it goes only could.

2153
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:30,519
Speaker 12: You could ask him who clinices Evan Lazarre?

2154
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:31,280
Speaker 8: Is that's true?

2155
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:31,559
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2156
01:36:32,120 --> 01:36:35,599
Speaker 8: Talk that talk, that talk. He almost did it again.

2157
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:40,080
Speaker 8: That was almost two s bams myself that time.

2158
01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:44,679
Speaker 1: Umm. Yeah, so a lot of a lot of good emails.

2159
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:48,479
Speaker 1: Let's get to the phones. Matthews in New Mexico. What's up, Matthew?

2160
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:55,639
Speaker 1: What is he mowing the lawn? Matthew, Matthew, New Mexico.

2161
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:57,120
Speaker 1: Ime in New Mexico.

2162
01:36:57,280 --> 01:36:59,360
Speaker 8: That sounds like when when Will was little and I

2163
01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:00,960
Speaker 8: used to go and up the grass and he would

2164
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:01,680
Speaker 8: be behind me with the.

2165
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:06,240
Speaker 1: Bubble. Let's listen.

2166
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:10,720
Speaker 9: It sounds sounds sounds like Oppenheimer from New Mexico that

2167
01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:11,000
Speaker 9: what do.

2168
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:11,679
Speaker 1: You think he's doing?

2169
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:12,280
Speaker 3: No, not yet.

2170
01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 1: What do you think Matt's doing? Oh no, that's line three.

2171
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Speaker 1: That's not man, that's line three, that's not that's the.

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Speaker 8: We had no problem with line three when Hardy was

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01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:23,599
Speaker 8: making Is that right?

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Speaker 12: Amazing.

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Speaker 10: Chap Et says, I'm sorry I couldn't find any specific

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01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:30,400
Speaker 10: information about an individual named Evan Lazarre from Klinnis.

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Speaker 12: Thank you, I've even scrubbed off the internet.

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01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:37,120
Speaker 9: Yes, never had Jerry Duty been scrubbed off the internet.

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Speaker 1: Jeff's in Texas, Jeff, Hey, Hi, guys.

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01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:47,360
Speaker 20: Thank a question a comment about uh Fred. You were

2181
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:50,639
Speaker 20: talking about the operating budget, and of course, like you said,

2182
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:54,680
Speaker 20: nobody really knows exactly. But so my question is, like,

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01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:58,240
Speaker 20: I know the Cowboys are like the richest team. Aren't

2184
01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:00,519
Speaker 20: the Patriots like second or third behind them?

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01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:04,639
Speaker 1: Value? But see that that's different.

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01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:09,760
Speaker 20: Okay, Well, so my question is like, remember during the

2187
01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:15,000
Speaker 20: uh DeAndre Hopkins sweepstake, and you know, we're all disappointed

2188
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:17,639
Speaker 20: because we didn't get him. But and then I believe

2189
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:20,320
Speaker 20: it was after that Craft came out and said I

2190
01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 20: don't remember the exact words, but he said something like

2191
01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:24,519
Speaker 20: I've always given Bill everything he asked for.

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01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:26,080
Speaker 6: Do you remember that?

2193
01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:32,559
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, and he did everything he asked for dot

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01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:35,400
Speaker 1: dot dot? Did he mean within the budget? Like we

2195
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:35,840
Speaker 1: don't know?

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01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:39,120
Speaker 20: Well that yeah, that's a good question. And then and

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01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:42,479
Speaker 20: then to further that point, I'm just wondering. Like two

2198
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:45,720
Speaker 20: other points to that is, like, one, do you think

2199
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:50,639
Speaker 20: that between Craft and Belichicks there was some fallout discussions about,

2200
01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:56,439
Speaker 20: you know, overpaying for Jonas Smith and Agalre, you know,

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01:38:57,120 --> 01:38:58,640
Speaker 20: and that they were kind of a bust.

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01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:02,720
Speaker 1: As far as you know the budget, Well, I think

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01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:05,000
Speaker 1: I think at that year, the Patriots had a lot

2204
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:08,320
Speaker 1: of cash, They had a lot of available money, and

2205
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:11,240
Speaker 1: I don't think that was necessarily over budget because remember,

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01:39:11,280 --> 01:39:13,920
Speaker 1: a lot of teams because of COVID, they reduced the

2207
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:15,560
Speaker 1: salary cap and a lot of teams were in a

2208
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:19,000
Speaker 1: buying So the Patriots were like one of the few

2209
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:20,719
Speaker 1: buyers that season.

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01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:23,559
Speaker 8: Yeah, but they still set a record for money spent

2211
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:24,439
Speaker 8: for the Patriots.

2212
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:27,000
Speaker 1: No, No, for the NFL history NFL for.

2213
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 8: Free agent class.

2214
01:39:28,280 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 1: But but it was it wasn't the same, No, it was.

2215
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:33,880
Speaker 8: I hear what you're saying.

2216
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 9: But to Jeff's point, right, Jeff right, I think that

2217
01:39:37,439 --> 01:39:40,559
Speaker 9: that he's right in asking that question. I do think

2218
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:43,600
Speaker 9: that there was obviously buyers remorse on some of the

2219
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:47,360
Speaker 9: players that twenty one free agency class, and I don't

2220
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:50,680
Speaker 9: think that they're necessarily inclined to just open up the

2221
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:53,519
Speaker 9: check book again for a hundred million dollars in salary caps.

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01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:56,240
Speaker 1: No, but I think my point, my point is, and

2223
01:39:56,400 --> 01:39:59,160
Speaker 1: that year, I think Robert Crafts was all in just

2224
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:01,519
Speaker 1: as much I think he was. I don't think I

2225
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:03,559
Speaker 1: think he was all in. But I don't think they

2226
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:04,760
Speaker 1: had to twist his arm to no.

2227
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:07,320
Speaker 8: I think he desperately wanted to do it. It was

2228
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:09,960
Speaker 8: coming off of Tom Brady winning the Super Bowl, right,

2229
01:40:10,479 --> 01:40:13,439
Speaker 8: he was all in. Absolutely, That's why they paid all

2230
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:14,920
Speaker 8: that money. So I don't think they.

2231
01:40:16,360 --> 01:40:19,840
Speaker 9: It's everybody, no, no, Yeah, but I'm just saying Paul

2232
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:23,400
Speaker 9: Paula just said, I'm inclined to think that they wouldn't

2233
01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:27,000
Speaker 9: do that again because every single time we've spoken to

2234
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:30,160
Speaker 9: mister craft since he's mentioned about building through the draft

2235
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:32,479
Speaker 9: and yeah, you can't. You know, he said it at

2236
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:35,280
Speaker 9: the time that teams that spend like that in free

2237
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:38,479
Speaker 9: agency it doesn't work. Like it's not a long term plan.

2238
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:41,839
Speaker 1: See. I would hope though, if they, but if the didn't.

2239
01:40:42,479 --> 01:40:44,960
Speaker 20: He didn't try to, you know, spend more to get

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Speaker 20: DeAndre Hopkins.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that DeAndre Hopkins isn't the Patriots because

2242
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:51,439
Speaker 8: of Bill Belichick, not because of Robert Crafty. I honestly,

2243
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:54,000
Speaker 8: do I think you're telling me that he wouldn't have

2244
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:57,000
Speaker 8: wanted You know, you could give him eight million, but

2245
01:40:57,080 --> 01:40:59,320
Speaker 8: not twelve million. That was the now. If you want

2246
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:01,639
Speaker 8: to tell me he was looking for a hundred million,

2247
01:41:01,720 --> 01:41:04,280
Speaker 8: that's something Robert Crafts got to sign off on. But

2248
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:06,439
Speaker 8: I don't think the difference between a couple of million

2249
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:10,439
Speaker 8: for a short term deal was the deal breaker. To

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Speaker 8: your point, Fred, we don't know. I don't know. That's

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Speaker 8: just my feeling. My feeling is Bill didn't want to

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01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:19,160
Speaker 8: go any higher for him because I think he felt

2253
01:41:19,240 --> 01:41:22,400
Speaker 8: like the salary structure of the wide receiver class in

2254
01:41:23,240 --> 01:41:26,160
Speaker 8: on this team right now would have been affected by

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Speaker 8: someone that you're bringing in from this and he doesn't

2256
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:30,280
Speaker 8: and he doesn't like to do that.

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Speaker 1: Despite what Robert craft said, I would hope that if

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01:41:34,479 --> 01:41:38,320
Speaker 1: the opportunity arises again where they have, they can get

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01:41:38,360 --> 01:41:42,280
Speaker 1: two or three guys in a particular free agent class,

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Speaker 1: you know, and reasonably.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I know this was the most ever spent, but it

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01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:49,599
Speaker 1: was reasonable.

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01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:51,519
Speaker 8: I think they'll add some plays.

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Speaker 1: I think they should.

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01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:54,679
Speaker 8: I don't think a lot of those contracts were reasonable.

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01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:58,639
Speaker 1: They shouldn't. They shouldn't. The buyers were more aside, they shouldn't.

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01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:01,200
Speaker 1: That shouldn't stop them from doing it again.

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01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:02,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, they're gonna have one hundred million dollars

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01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:05,200
Speaker 9: in cap spits going into next year, so they're going.

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01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:07,760
Speaker 8: To have that subject they're spend and seventy five million

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01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:10,200
Speaker 8: of real money. I'll tell you that. I just that's

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01:42:10,280 --> 01:42:11,120
Speaker 8: what they spent time.

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Speaker 9: I just wonder, and this is now and nowadays, and

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01:42:15,080 --> 01:42:17,680
Speaker 9: maybe T Higgins will end up being an exception just

2276
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:20,759
Speaker 9: because of the situation. But now in order to acquire

2277
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:22,559
Speaker 9: like players like that, you have to trade for them,

2278
01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:24,599
Speaker 9: Like teams aren't just letting those guys get to free

2279
01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:28,679
Speaker 9: agency anymore, so maybe it won't be spent the exact

2280
01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:31,639
Speaker 9: same way. I think the problem with the twenty one

2281
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:36,160
Speaker 9: experiment was they only shopped in free agency, so they

2282
01:42:36,200 --> 01:42:39,120
Speaker 9: were working in a pool of players that were available

2283
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:42,600
Speaker 9: for nothing at the time. And know that when you

2284
01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:46,360
Speaker 9: get to free agency, you're talking about a certain tier

2285
01:42:46,439 --> 01:42:50,519
Speaker 9: of player, Like if you're you're not letting guys like

2286
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:54,080
Speaker 9: T Higgins most of the time, he doesn't hit free agency,

2287
01:42:54,120 --> 01:42:57,040
Speaker 9: like AJ Brown didn't hit free agency. Tyreek Hill wasn't

2288
01:42:57,040 --> 01:42:59,840
Speaker 9: a free agent they traded for him right, because the

2289
01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:01,240
Speaker 9: teams want something.

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01:43:01,439 --> 01:43:02,360
Speaker 1: Well, that's a fair point.

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01:43:02,479 --> 01:43:03,280
Speaker 8: So if they're going to.

2292
01:43:03,320 --> 01:43:05,800
Speaker 9: Spend like crazy again next offseason, I feel like it's

2293
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 9: going to have to be done different.

2294
01:43:07,120 --> 01:43:09,280
Speaker 1: The great ones don't get to free agency right right.

2295
01:43:09,479 --> 01:43:11,800
Speaker 8: And just because they didn't have one of those sort

2296
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:15,840
Speaker 8: of blockbuster, you know, six year, one hundred and twenty

2297
01:43:15,880 --> 01:43:18,800
Speaker 8: million dollar contracts, they had at least two, if not

2298
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:23,360
Speaker 8: three guys specifically answered the question why the Patriots because

2299
01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:25,760
Speaker 8: they offered me the most money that can Yeah, yeah,

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01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:29,679
Speaker 8: I think Gaggalore did two and I want to say Juda.

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01:43:29,479 --> 01:43:31,479
Speaker 1: On che but I don't think it was a strong market.

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01:43:31,560 --> 01:43:34,040
Speaker 8: It wasn't no, no, no, but they were the only one.

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01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:36,040
Speaker 8: But that doesn't mean they got these guys cheating, No,

2304
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:38,280
Speaker 8: that's my point. I know, like they spent a lot

2305
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:40,880
Speaker 8: of money on money guys. It wasn't like ye, you know,

2306
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:44,200
Speaker 8: every guy that, like Jalen Mills, was a was a

2307
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:47,160
Speaker 8: to me an outrageous contract. It doesn't have to be

2308
01:43:47,920 --> 01:43:51,120
Speaker 8: an eighty million dollar guarantee for it to be an overpay.

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01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:54,320
Speaker 1: But but didn't it seem easy like they just signed

2310
01:43:54,360 --> 01:43:55,360
Speaker 1: these guys easily, Like.

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01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:57,880
Speaker 8: The one that really stood out was they signed John

2312
01:43:57,960 --> 01:44:00,840
Speaker 8: hu Smith and then like four days later they signed

2313
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:03,880
Speaker 8: Hunter Henry day later and you're like, how are they

2314
01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:06,240
Speaker 8: getting boltim? Remember we had to have They're paying more

2315
01:44:06,280 --> 01:44:08,479
Speaker 8: money than anybody else was offering for these guys.

2316
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:10,800
Speaker 1: We had we had to have an emergency Patriots on

2317
01:44:10,840 --> 01:44:14,040
Speaker 1: film because we had guys were coming in, Like, you know,

2318
01:44:14,680 --> 01:44:17,000
Speaker 1: I can't believe it. It was crazy, But.

2319
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:21,960
Speaker 9: That's the like Hunter Henry, Jalen Mills, those are a

2320
01:44:22,120 --> 01:44:25,760
Speaker 9: certain skill level sure, and like I just feel like

2321
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:28,120
Speaker 9: that was That's what you got to learn from that

2322
01:44:28,280 --> 01:44:30,800
Speaker 9: free agency class. Is really the only guy that moved

2323
01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:33,439
Speaker 9: the needle. Moved the needle was Judah Judah and he

2324
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:36,439
Speaker 9: was I think an exception because of things going on

2325
01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:39,240
Speaker 9: in Baltimore that they he ended up being kind of

2326
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:43,400
Speaker 9: the odd man out in their roster. But that's that's

2327
01:44:43,479 --> 01:44:45,559
Speaker 9: the exception of the rule. Like most of the time,

2328
01:44:45,640 --> 01:44:46,439
Speaker 9: it's the other guy.

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01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:48,880
Speaker 8: If you feel like maybe you don't, I don't putting

2330
01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:50,360
Speaker 8: words in anyone's mouth, but if you feel like they

2331
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:53,280
Speaker 8: overpaid for some of those free agents, can you imagine

2332
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:54,679
Speaker 8: what they'd have to pay T Higgins?

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01:44:55,400 --> 01:44:55,599
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2334
01:44:55,680 --> 01:44:57,280
Speaker 8: Who everyone else is gonna want.

2335
01:44:57,160 --> 01:44:58,840
Speaker 11: To write and I think that's like part of the

2336
01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:01,400
Speaker 11: lesson though, is that don't don't try to carpet bomb,

2337
01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:03,880
Speaker 11: like go specific and get you know, just get the

2338
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:05,439
Speaker 11: Jude On or you know what I mean and fill

2339
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:07,240
Speaker 11: those other holes in. It's just I think there's such

2340
01:45:07,240 --> 01:45:10,000
Speaker 11: a talent void right now that that's like, we need studs.

2341
01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:11,880
Speaker 11: We need guys who can play, not a bunch of

2342
01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:13,880
Speaker 11: B players who are going to make us a solid

2343
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:14,400
Speaker 11: team in theres.

2344
01:45:14,479 --> 01:45:14,760
Speaker 19: But it is.

2345
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:17,240
Speaker 1: I mean, remember when it happened, Paul, we sat on

2346
01:45:17,320 --> 01:45:19,320
Speaker 1: this show and said, you know, okay, they signed all

2347
01:45:19,360 --> 01:45:22,240
Speaker 1: these guys. The odds are they're not all going to

2348
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:24,200
Speaker 1: work out. It never works out.

2349
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:24,880
Speaker 3: Way, you know.

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01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:26,639
Speaker 12: And I mean I mean, you know, at the time,

2351
01:45:26,720 --> 01:45:27,400
Speaker 12: I liked what they did.

2352
01:45:27,439 --> 01:45:29,080
Speaker 11: I liked that they were all young players kind of

2353
01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:31,120
Speaker 11: coming off their first deals. It wasn't you know, old

2354
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:32,880
Speaker 11: guys that they were spending. I mean, it seemed like

2355
01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:35,439
Speaker 11: they understood where they were as a team at that point.

2356
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:37,599
Speaker 11: And you know they I mean, I don't know where

2357
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:39,600
Speaker 11: they would have been without a lot of those contributions,

2358
01:45:39,640 --> 01:45:41,920
Speaker 11: specifically you know, Judon and Henry at the top of

2359
01:45:41,960 --> 01:45:42,200
Speaker 11: the list.

2360
01:45:42,240 --> 01:45:42,960
Speaker 12: I'm sure they'd.

2361
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:45,759
Speaker 11: Probably put Godshaw on there too, But you know I wouldn't.

2362
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:48,479
Speaker 11: I don't know, I said they, but you know, we'll

2363
01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:50,160
Speaker 11: see what they do they do this year. I just

2364
01:45:50,200 --> 01:45:51,680
Speaker 11: think when you look at the free agents that are

2365
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:53,599
Speaker 11: out there, it's a lot of that kind of stuff.

2366
01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:55,680
Speaker 11: You know, it's those like bee guys. There's nobody out there.

2367
01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:57,600
Speaker 11: You're like, oh man, we just signed this guy and

2368
01:45:57,680 --> 01:45:59,759
Speaker 11: this guy and this guy free agency, like we're.

2369
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:01,800
Speaker 12: Good start, you know. It's it's it's hard, it's hard

2370
01:46:01,880 --> 01:46:03,320
Speaker 12: to even play like fantasy like that.

2371
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:05,320
Speaker 9: But that's why I would say, you know, back to

2372
01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:07,559
Speaker 9: the point about keeping some of the guys that they

2373
01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:10,120
Speaker 9: have coming up, it's like, those are those are B

2374
01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:13,280
Speaker 9: B level guys. So if you keep the B level

2375
01:46:13,320 --> 01:46:15,560
Speaker 9: guys that you have in house and then stack A

2376
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:17,680
Speaker 9: level guys on top of the B level guys, well

2377
01:46:17,720 --> 01:46:21,360
Speaker 9: now we're talking right. So it's like, if you the

2378
01:46:21,439 --> 01:46:24,320
Speaker 9: problem is is that they had so many holes in

2379
01:46:24,439 --> 01:46:27,639
Speaker 9: twenty twenty one that they, like you said, they carpet

2380
01:46:27,680 --> 01:46:29,720
Speaker 9: bombed it because they had so many holes on the

2381
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:32,080
Speaker 9: roster to fill. But if you retain some of the

2382
01:46:32,200 --> 01:46:34,439
Speaker 9: younger guys that you actually like that are currently on

2383
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:37,000
Speaker 9: your team, well, then maybe you won't have as many

2384
01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:39,800
Speaker 9: holes to plug. So if you add t Higgins on

2385
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:44,200
Speaker 9: top of what's already exists on this roster currently, like

2386
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:47,040
Speaker 9: you're not missing all these pieces. But if you don't

2387
01:46:47,120 --> 01:46:51,040
Speaker 9: resign Mike Gonwennie, now you need you know, another starting lineman.

2388
01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:53,799
Speaker 9: And if you don't resign Kyle Duggart, now you probably

2389
01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:56,040
Speaker 9: need a safety. And if you don't resign Josh Uce

2390
01:46:56,240 --> 01:46:58,479
Speaker 9: you probably are Jennings. Then you probably need edge guys.

2391
01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:01,400
Speaker 9: And it's it just adds. It's like a whole different thing.

2392
01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:03,320
Speaker 11: Do you guys worry at all that those three don't

2393
01:47:03,320 --> 01:47:05,400
Speaker 11: want to sign back here like that they just would say,

2394
01:47:05,439 --> 01:47:06,120
Speaker 11: you know what this is?

2395
01:47:06,200 --> 01:47:08,200
Speaker 12: Because I mean, I think they've all had specific.

2396
01:47:07,880 --> 01:47:09,960
Speaker 11: Situations where you could maybe say, you know, maybe and

2397
01:47:10,040 --> 01:47:11,840
Speaker 11: when you doesn't love he wants to be a guard

2398
01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:15,120
Speaker 11: and he doesn't really want to move around, and you know, dugger,

2399
01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:17,360
Speaker 11: I'm not sure. He seems like a pretty good fit,

2400
01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:19,479
Speaker 11: but maybe he's looking for a bigger role, you know,

2401
01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:21,760
Speaker 11: Like I can I can see reasons why those guys

2402
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:25,360
Speaker 11: wouldn't necessarily be immediately slammed dunks to come back just

2403
01:47:25,400 --> 01:47:26,120
Speaker 11: from their end too.

2404
01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:29,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it was better or Chandler Jones.

2405
01:47:29,800 --> 01:47:31,839
Speaker 1: Chandler when he was here, Yeah.

2406
01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:34,160
Speaker 8: Chandler Jones was at least an every down player. And no,

2407
01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:36,000
Speaker 8: I don't think he was a great run player either.

2408
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:38,080
Speaker 8: I don't want to be a fraud, but he played

2409
01:47:38,120 --> 01:47:38,599
Speaker 8: every down.

2410
01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:41,280
Speaker 11: Yeah, Chalder Jones more of an impact in the past.

2411
01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:45,320
Speaker 1: Spie says, speaking of not rewatching losses, It's interesting that

2412
01:47:45,400 --> 01:47:48,720
Speaker 1: one of the least often discussed great Brady games is

2413
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:52,160
Speaker 1: his extraordinary performance throwing for over five hundred yards against

2414
01:47:52,160 --> 01:47:54,800
Speaker 1: the Eagles in the Super Bowl. I hate, hate, hate

2415
01:47:55,240 --> 01:47:57,519
Speaker 1: that his incredible work that day is kind of buried

2416
01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:00,000
Speaker 1: in my mind. Can you think of other awesome perform

2417
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:02,760
Speaker 1: ormances we avoid thinking about because they were part of

2418
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:05,320
Speaker 1: a losing effort, because we forget about that.

2419
01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:08,360
Speaker 11: Right, that's a good game, though I don't think I've

2420
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:10,240
Speaker 11: really looked at that game at all.

2421
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:12,559
Speaker 8: That one was really annoying to That game is weird

2422
01:48:12,600 --> 01:48:15,640
Speaker 8: for me as a sort of a Brady apologist. I

2423
01:48:15,800 --> 01:48:18,040
Speaker 8: know the numbers, and I know what I don't think

2424
01:48:18,040 --> 01:48:19,720
Speaker 8: he was as I don't think he was as good

2425
01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:22,040
Speaker 8: as the numbers that day. I've seen him better, and

2426
01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:24,200
Speaker 8: I know that sounds silly because he's so good and

2427
01:48:24,280 --> 01:48:27,600
Speaker 8: he won so many games. I thought they had some

2428
01:48:28,360 --> 01:48:31,040
Speaker 8: Not that Brady did anything wrong, because I don't think

2429
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:33,920
Speaker 8: he did, but I thought some of the production in

2430
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:37,080
Speaker 8: that day was like really kind of accidental.

2431
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:39,800
Speaker 12: I can't comment on I've forgotten it.

2432
01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:44,000
Speaker 8: Like the yeah, I don't know what the right I

2433
01:48:44,040 --> 01:48:47,400
Speaker 8: think that he had Likes he had like two punts

2434
01:48:47,439 --> 01:48:50,840
Speaker 8: down the sideline to Aimondola, who was like uncovered and

2435
01:48:51,320 --> 01:48:53,920
Speaker 8: like they were like running around and they just kind

2436
01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:56,600
Speaker 8: of like lost them. Like I've seen Brady just surgically

2437
01:48:57,439 --> 01:48:59,760
Speaker 8: tear people apart and lose fifty one.

2438
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:03,200
Speaker 11: Yeah, like San Francisco twenty twelve, I felt like they

2439
01:49:03,280 --> 01:49:05,280
Speaker 11: were down, they came back, they lost, but it was

2440
01:49:05,439 --> 01:49:07,920
Speaker 11: another one of those games that was almost a crazy comeback.

2441
01:49:08,120 --> 01:49:12,439
Speaker 8: Like I even think like, well, statistically, you can't mean

2442
01:49:12,520 --> 01:49:14,400
Speaker 8: five hundred and seventeen yards is what it is. It's

2443
01:49:14,439 --> 01:49:16,680
Speaker 8: a record, you know, But I just don't think that

2444
01:49:16,840 --> 01:49:20,040
Speaker 8: he was I've seen him better. Even like the six

2445
01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:23,800
Speaker 8: AFC Championship game in Indy, I thought he was, you know,

2446
01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:26,840
Speaker 8: considering that team that he just like put that team

2447
01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:29,920
Speaker 8: on his back and beats beat the Chargers the week

2448
01:49:29,960 --> 01:49:32,640
Speaker 8: before and then he comes back and was within you know,

2449
01:49:32,760 --> 01:49:35,920
Speaker 8: a minute or so of beating the Colts. That was

2450
01:49:35,960 --> 01:49:38,800
Speaker 8: an amazing perform Yes, I lost. I'm trying to hed

2451
01:49:38,960 --> 01:49:39,479
Speaker 8: with losses.

2452
01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:42,439
Speaker 9: The defensive coordinator was for the Eagles in that Super Bowl,

2453
01:49:42,479 --> 01:49:44,840
Speaker 9: but it seemed like a lot of the yards in

2454
01:49:44,920 --> 01:49:47,439
Speaker 9: that Super Bowl were schemed, like they just had guys

2455
01:49:47,479 --> 01:49:52,040
Speaker 9: that were wide open, like just Chris Hogan invisibility cloak

2456
01:49:52,120 --> 01:49:55,760
Speaker 9: type stuff like Yet over that game, and not to

2457
01:49:55,880 --> 01:49:57,200
Speaker 9: take anything away from Brady.

2458
01:49:57,200 --> 01:50:00,559
Speaker 8: It's not that he did anything wrong. Yeah, you guys

2459
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:03,479
Speaker 8: are so gadful because I just like I.

2460
01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:06,240
Speaker 1: Still believe if Brady had won that game, he would

2461
01:50:06,240 --> 01:50:06,759
Speaker 1: have retired.

2462
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:08,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, oh I don't, I do.

2463
01:50:09,360 --> 01:50:11,679
Speaker 9: I think that's what Why didn't he retire after eighteen?

2464
01:50:11,800 --> 01:50:11,920
Speaker 20: Then?

2465
01:50:12,160 --> 01:50:16,120
Speaker 1: Well because because there are other factors. Want there are

2466
01:50:16,200 --> 01:50:19,080
Speaker 1: other factors that you know, he wanted to prove things.

2467
01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:21,519
Speaker 1: But I think I think, I think I think he

2468
01:50:21,680 --> 01:50:26,240
Speaker 1: had that documentary all set to wave goodbye, go out

2469
01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:29,519
Speaker 1: on top, and that scuttled his plans.

2470
01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:30,360
Speaker 12: He must be glad.

2471
01:50:31,680 --> 01:50:37,920
Speaker 1: I scuttled scuttled. Joel says, as always, thanks for everything

2472
01:50:37,960 --> 01:50:40,400
Speaker 1: you do for US fans. This is gonna be real quick.

2473
01:50:40,479 --> 01:50:43,120
Speaker 1: Seeing Paul calmly turn his back on the camera so

2474
01:50:43,240 --> 01:50:44,800
Speaker 1: he can finish his food as one of the best

2475
01:50:44,840 --> 01:50:45,920
Speaker 1: things about having video.

2476
01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:52,320
Speaker 8: I was throwing it away the barrels right there. Got

2477
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:57,519
Speaker 8: last fight was Fred. It was Fred's food. That is good, Joel,

2478
01:50:57,880 --> 01:50:58,720
Speaker 8: It's really good.

2479
01:50:59,040 --> 01:50:59,519
Speaker 1: Let's see.

2480
01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:01,599
Speaker 8: That's than I would do to somebody.

2481
01:51:01,640 --> 01:51:02,400
Speaker 3: That's why I like it.

2482
01:51:02,520 --> 01:51:06,200
Speaker 1: Nice job, Nice job, Balvin. What you all were explaining

2483
01:51:06,400 --> 01:51:08,559
Speaker 1: is what an email is said. As well as Hardy,

2484
01:51:08,640 --> 01:51:11,960
Speaker 1: the Patriots have no real dogs, just a bunch of felines.

2485
01:51:12,439 --> 01:51:16,280
Speaker 1: Brady ramping up. Everyone else is dog mentality. Now it

2486
01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:18,320
Speaker 1: just seems like guys are just happy to be there.

2487
01:51:18,680 --> 01:51:20,720
Speaker 1: The only two players I see that our dogs are

2488
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:24,240
Speaker 1: to Vie and Deuces Guy Bentley. The Patriots aren't only

2489
01:51:24,320 --> 01:51:25,000
Speaker 1: missing talent.

2490
01:51:25,479 --> 01:51:27,960
Speaker 12: I think him and Pepper, so that only qualifies the

2491
01:51:28,120 --> 01:51:29,160
Speaker 12: Patriots aren't only.

2492
01:51:29,080 --> 01:51:32,800
Speaker 1: Missing the talent guys, but that wrong or right. They've

2493
01:51:32,840 --> 01:51:35,360
Speaker 1: got each other's back and right now it's all individual

2494
01:51:36,439 --> 01:51:39,400
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I don't know. I think Judan

2495
01:51:39,920 --> 01:51:41,719
Speaker 1: is a guy that's supporting his teammates.

2496
01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:45,080
Speaker 9: I don't yeah, I don't necessarily agree that it's all individual.

2497
01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:47,000
Speaker 9: I just don't think that they have a lot of

2498
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:50,560
Speaker 9: talent on the roster. Like I, I don't go like,

2499
01:51:51,240 --> 01:51:53,080
Speaker 9: I'm not a little bit that we get to be

2500
01:51:53,160 --> 01:51:55,559
Speaker 9: around these guys. I don't like think that they are

2501
01:51:55,720 --> 01:51:57,840
Speaker 9: all in it for themselves and like hate each other,

2502
01:51:58,080 --> 01:51:59,880
Speaker 9: and I don't get that vibe. I just think that

2503
01:52:00,040 --> 01:52:02,479
Speaker 9: they just don't have a lot of talent, especially on offense.

2504
01:52:02,640 --> 01:52:10,879
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yep, lots of emails. Let's say, Trevor, following

2505
01:52:10,960 --> 01:52:14,000
Speaker 1: up on the rant about Bill's philosophy for team building,

2506
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:16,960
Speaker 1: I disagree that Bill doesn't want to build a high

2507
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:21,080
Speaker 1: powered offense. Since eighteen Bill has drafted Nikkeel, traded for Sanu,

2508
01:52:21,720 --> 01:52:25,599
Speaker 1: signed the best tight ends available, signed, drafted taekwon High.

2509
01:52:25,720 --> 01:52:28,439
Speaker 1: All of those moves except Hunter Henry have failed, which

2510
01:52:28,520 --> 01:52:33,440
Speaker 1: is an evaluation problem, not a philosophy problem, but the philosophy.

2511
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:35,840
Speaker 8: It's all in the same, all in one.

2512
01:52:36,040 --> 01:52:38,680
Speaker 9: Yeah. And I also would just say that all these

2513
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:42,519
Speaker 9: teams did all that and then kept doing it. Like

2514
01:52:43,120 --> 01:52:45,960
Speaker 9: the Eagles drafted Jalen Rager in the first round and

2515
01:52:46,040 --> 01:52:49,160
Speaker 9: he was a Nikhil Harry level bust. So what did

2516
01:52:49,200 --> 01:52:51,280
Speaker 9: they do the next year? They drafted Davonte Smith in

2517
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:53,200
Speaker 9: the first round. They kept trying.

2518
01:52:53,320 --> 01:52:54,920
Speaker 1: You know, it's like what tight ends Over the years,

2519
01:52:54,920 --> 01:52:57,680
Speaker 1: they kept drafting tight ends until they got Gronk. You know,

2520
01:52:57,800 --> 01:53:01,200
Speaker 1: they didn't stop. But I think Bill deserves a chance

2521
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:03,560
Speaker 1: to reset again. The only argument in my opinion for

2522
01:53:03,680 --> 01:53:06,200
Speaker 1: replacing Bill is if you want to pair your new

2523
01:53:06,479 --> 01:53:08,920
Speaker 1: young quarterback with a long term coach. That's kind of

2524
01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:09,559
Speaker 1: my argument.

2525
01:53:09,880 --> 01:53:12,200
Speaker 11: If we get a new one, wouldn't you just love

2526
01:53:12,240 --> 01:53:16,200
Speaker 11: to hear Bill like candidly explain what's gone wrong here?

2527
01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:18,320
Speaker 12: Like candidly just really what.

2528
01:53:18,560 --> 01:53:21,320
Speaker 8: I'd I don't think you'd like any of the answers.

2529
01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:22,160
Speaker 6: I really don't.

2530
01:53:22,439 --> 01:53:24,519
Speaker 12: Well, I don't know why would That.

2531
01:53:24,520 --> 01:53:26,760
Speaker 8: Guy's not as good? Like that guy's not good. That

2532
01:53:26,920 --> 01:53:28,800
Speaker 8: guy doesn't do what he's supposed to do. That's what

2533
01:53:28,920 --> 01:53:29,120
Speaker 8: I think.

2534
01:53:29,160 --> 01:53:30,080
Speaker 12: But these are all your guys.

2535
01:53:33,080 --> 01:53:35,960
Speaker 8: If they just executed, If they just executed, would be fine.

2536
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:36,679
Speaker 1: He's getting ready.

2537
01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:37,519
Speaker 12: Why did you pick guys?

2538
01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:42,120
Speaker 9: Because he's getting ready for Washington? Use it's not his job.

2539
01:53:43,680 --> 01:53:45,800
Speaker 1: Jack wants to know. Is t Higgins that good? Or

2540
01:53:45,960 --> 01:53:47,639
Speaker 1: is Jamar Chase always being doubled?

2541
01:53:49,160 --> 01:53:50,439
Speaker 12: I think Higgins is pretty good.

2542
01:53:51,439 --> 01:53:53,920
Speaker 9: This is probably not the day for this, but like

2543
01:53:54,040 --> 01:53:57,240
Speaker 9: the notion that like every like good receiver gets doubled

2544
01:53:57,320 --> 01:54:01,240
Speaker 9: on every single play just as whatever, Alex.

2545
01:54:02,040 --> 01:54:03,559
Speaker 8: I mean, I would say they have a good offense.

2546
01:54:03,600 --> 01:54:05,280
Speaker 8: They have a lot of options, and maybe he's not

2547
01:54:05,400 --> 01:54:08,080
Speaker 8: quite as good if he was the only option. I mean,

2548
01:54:08,120 --> 01:54:11,439
Speaker 8: I don't know, but I think Higgins is pretty good.

2549
01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:13,320
Speaker 8: I also would just say, like, if T.

2550
01:54:13,479 --> 01:54:16,080
Speaker 9: Higgins is your number one guy, then that makes Pop

2551
01:54:16,120 --> 01:54:19,080
Speaker 9: Douglas his life easier. That makes Kendrick Bourne, if he's here,

2552
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:22,680
Speaker 9: life easier. The tight ends, so then the coverage just

2553
01:54:22,720 --> 01:54:24,800
Speaker 9: becomes tilted to T. Higgins and then they had you know,

2554
01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:27,280
Speaker 9: that makes it just the way that Jamar Chase tilts

2555
01:54:27,320 --> 01:54:28,480
Speaker 9: the coverage in Cincinnati.

2556
01:54:28,760 --> 01:54:31,040
Speaker 1: Alex and Warren. I don't have a chance to listen live,

2557
01:54:31,120 --> 01:54:32,880
Speaker 1: so forgive me if you talk about this already. I

2558
01:54:33,000 --> 01:54:35,680
Speaker 1: was wondering if you guys think that Mapu has a

2559
01:54:35,800 --> 01:54:38,600
Speaker 1: chance to play some off the ball linebacker this week

2560
01:54:38,640 --> 01:54:41,920
Speaker 1: and moving forward, if Bentley does miss some time, it

2561
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:44,320
Speaker 1: would be great to see him at his natural position

2562
01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:46,520
Speaker 1: instead of asking him to play deep safety against the

2563
01:54:46,560 --> 01:54:49,320
Speaker 1: most explosive receiver in the NFL. I just hope that

2564
01:54:49,480 --> 01:54:52,600
Speaker 1: the blown coverage on Sunday doesn't lead him to the

2565
01:54:52,680 --> 01:54:55,440
Speaker 1: bench and maybe leads to a shift in his usage.

2566
01:54:55,840 --> 01:54:58,040
Speaker 11: I think it's possible because you've got you know, Mac

2567
01:54:58,080 --> 01:54:59,920
Speaker 11: Wilson playing a little more of an edge role now too.

2568
01:55:00,120 --> 01:55:02,080
Speaker 11: So I mean they if it's TVAI kind of taking

2569
01:55:02,160 --> 01:55:04,320
Speaker 11: over of Bentley's role, you know, I could I could

2570
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:05,920
Speaker 11: see maybe Mapu getting and I'd love it.

2571
01:55:06,040 --> 01:55:06,840
Speaker 8: But I don't know.

2572
01:55:06,920 --> 01:55:09,120
Speaker 11: I just I've kind of tempered my expectations with him,

2573
01:55:09,840 --> 01:55:12,560
Speaker 11: you know, unfortunately, like I just it's it's it's been

2574
01:55:12,600 --> 01:55:12,840
Speaker 11: a time.

2575
01:55:12,840 --> 01:55:15,680
Speaker 8: I just haven't seen much of him at linebacker. Yeah, Nope,

2576
01:55:15,800 --> 01:55:17,919
Speaker 8: didn't you make a comment you say about Brian Belichick

2577
01:55:18,040 --> 01:55:20,600
Speaker 8: saying he's been in this say was that yesterday? Yeah,

2578
01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:24,360
Speaker 8: he's the day's all blame together. He's a safety much

2579
01:55:24,440 --> 01:55:27,440
Speaker 8: to my sugarine. But I would like that emailer. I

2580
01:55:27,480 --> 01:55:30,720
Speaker 8: would like to see him no, because I think that

2581
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:33,520
Speaker 8: was like an indication that, oh, maybe he is trying

2582
01:55:33,560 --> 01:55:35,480
Speaker 8: to do some things that are a little different from

2583
01:55:35,560 --> 01:55:38,480
Speaker 8: his philosophy. Bill being you know, we're going to have

2584
01:55:38,520 --> 01:55:41,040
Speaker 8: a twitter and eighteen pound linebacker coming out of college,

2585
01:55:41,080 --> 01:55:44,240
Speaker 8: and we know that's much smaller than we normally have,

2586
01:55:44,360 --> 01:55:45,760
Speaker 8: but he's athletic and he might be able to do

2587
01:55:45,880 --> 01:55:48,000
Speaker 8: some things that are different, but we haven't really seen

2588
01:55:48,040 --> 01:55:48,960
Speaker 8: Hi given the opportunity.

2589
01:55:49,040 --> 01:55:51,240
Speaker 1: I kicked myself for not bringing this up earlier. But

2590
01:55:51,600 --> 01:55:53,800
Speaker 1: what did you think of Bill O'Brien's comments that he's

2591
01:55:53,840 --> 01:55:57,040
Speaker 1: not involved in like the game day you know, actrivation.

2592
01:55:57,640 --> 01:56:00,440
Speaker 9: Yeah, not even that he said he wasn't involved in

2593
01:56:00,520 --> 01:56:01,720
Speaker 9: the trade deadline either.

2594
01:56:01,840 --> 01:56:02,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2595
01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:06,720
Speaker 8: I mean, like, so he's the offensive coordinator and Malie

2596
01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:08,640
Speaker 8: Cunningham is going to be part of the offensive game

2597
01:56:08,680 --> 01:56:10,960
Speaker 8: plan that week, and he didn't have any saying it right.

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Speaker 1: That bugs me.

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Speaker 8: I want to make that he said it that it.

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Speaker 3: That it is.

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Speaker 9: Do you think that maybe I know we're running out

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01:56:17,560 --> 01:56:19,040
Speaker 9: of time, but do you think that he maybe said

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01:56:19,080 --> 01:56:21,120
Speaker 9: that to remove himself from the mess.

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01:56:21,400 --> 01:56:22,600
Speaker 8: Maybe he's maybe he's.

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01:56:24,080 --> 01:56:27,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, but if that's not true, I don't know. That's

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01:56:28,040 --> 01:56:29,960
Speaker 9: just kind of the the trade because he got asked

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01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:32,320
Speaker 9: the same question. But about the trade deadline, we know

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01:56:32,440 --> 01:56:33,880
Speaker 9: that you didn't make. You know, that was a Matt

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01:56:33,880 --> 01:56:36,720
Speaker 9: Bill decision about Cunningham. What are you involved in all

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01:56:36,760 --> 01:56:40,160
Speaker 9: of the trade And I'm like, if Bill O'Brien, they

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01:56:40,200 --> 01:56:41,680
Speaker 9: should be going to Bill O'Brien and saying, hey, what

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01:56:41,720 --> 01:56:42,120
Speaker 9: do you need?

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01:56:42,360 --> 01:56:42,720
Speaker 1: Like what what?

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01:56:42,920 --> 01:56:44,520
Speaker 9: What is it that's missing from this offense?

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01:56:44,600 --> 01:56:46,120
Speaker 8: What do you feel that you need?

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01:56:46,440 --> 01:56:48,720
Speaker 9: And he could give them an answer. If they're not

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01:56:48,880 --> 01:56:51,720
Speaker 9: doing that, then that's that's malpractice. I mean, every you

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01:56:51,840 --> 01:56:54,200
Speaker 9: gotta be doing that, and he just kind of I

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01:56:54,600 --> 01:56:56,600
Speaker 9: have to wonder if maybe he's like, Hey, this is

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01:56:56,800 --> 01:56:57,760
Speaker 9: the personnel side of it.

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01:56:57,840 --> 01:57:00,880
Speaker 1: Ain't me like everybody's like, but to me, like who

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01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:03,840
Speaker 1: plays on game day on offense is part of his job.

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01:57:04,600 --> 01:57:05,640
Speaker 12: There should be a meeting about it.

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01:57:06,080 --> 01:57:07,360
Speaker 8: So what are we doing this week? What do you

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01:57:07,440 --> 01:57:09,600
Speaker 8: think is it on the calendar?

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01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:13,080
Speaker 1: Hey, hey, can hey Bill, Bill O'Brien, we're gonna be

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01:57:13,240 --> 01:57:14,400
Speaker 1: not playing Matt today.

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01:57:14,600 --> 01:57:17,280
Speaker 12: Okay, well just tell me who's playing it.

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01:57:17,920 --> 01:57:22,000
Speaker 1: I just don't buy that. But coming up is John

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01:57:22,080 --> 01:57:24,560
Speaker 1: Rook with the playbook. But and we'll be back tomorrow.

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01:57:24,640 --> 01:57:26,880
Speaker 1: But I just want to mention that next week is Germany.

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01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:29,760
Speaker 1: So I just want to for people's planning purposes, we

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01:57:29,840 --> 01:57:33,120
Speaker 1: will not have a show on Tuesday and Wednesday because

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01:57:33,120 --> 01:57:36,400
Speaker 1: we're going to be scrambling. Lots of us will be traveling.

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01:57:36,080 --> 01:57:39,400
Speaker 8: Until you we will receive total but we will.

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01:57:39,360 --> 01:57:43,480
Speaker 1: Have shows our normal time on Thursday, live from Germany

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01:57:44,280 --> 01:57:47,840
Speaker 1: and also on Friday special Friday live from Germany. So

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01:57:48,600 --> 01:57:54,400
Speaker 1: next week shows Thursday and Friday twelve to two East

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01:57:54,440 --> 01:57:57,400
Speaker 1: Coast time, Eastern y same time as It'll be six

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01:57:57,480 --> 01:58:00,800
Speaker 1: in the evening where we are, but for everybody else

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01:58:00,840 --> 01:58:03,600
Speaker 1: that's in the East Coast it'll be noon.

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01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:05,480
Speaker 9: And Catch twenty two same thing as well.

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01:58:05,640 --> 01:58:07,879
Speaker 8: Yeah, so a t am yeah.

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01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:11,800
Speaker 1: The same time. So just no shows Tuesday Wednesday, but

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01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:13,560
Speaker 1: there will be shows Thursday Friday.

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01:58:13,720 --> 01:58:15,080
Speaker 12: They'll probably be pretty fun too.

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01:58:15,120 --> 01:58:18,840
Speaker 8: And yeah, we're coming to be like, why is that

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01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:20,000
Speaker 8: du bars?

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01:58:20,160 --> 01:58:20,920
Speaker 12: Since the bar is that?

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01:58:24,200 --> 01:58:24,960
Speaker 1: Can we Yeah?

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01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:25,440
Speaker 11: This is he?

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01:58:25,720 --> 01:58:28,080
Speaker 12: I didn't say I didn't see anything true?

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01:58:28,120 --> 01:58:30,720
Speaker 8: What because fans have always wanted to see what that's

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01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:31,160
Speaker 8: like when.

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01:58:31,080 --> 01:58:33,840
Speaker 1: Paul, I don't know about that.

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01:58:34,320 --> 01:58:35,160
Speaker 8: No, we can't do that.

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01:58:35,640 --> 01:58:36,160
Speaker 1: Afterwards.

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01:58:36,200 --> 01:58:36,960
Speaker 8: We're on the internet.

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01:58:37,280 --> 01:58:37,920
Speaker 1: You can do it after.

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01:58:38,040 --> 01:58:38,840
Speaker 12: It's an Internet show.

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01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:43,440
Speaker 8: Come on, all right, I think that's let's say, a

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01:58:43,480 --> 01:58:44,360
Speaker 8: playbook coming up.

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01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:46,000
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. We'll see tomorrow.

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