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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Man, welcome back to Coast to Coast. George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: We're going to have a fascinating moment with John Olson.

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Speaker 2: Born and raised in Cash Valley, at the age of eight,

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Speaker 2: he began to realize that the home he lived in

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Speaker 2: was very strange. His parents still owned the old farmhouse

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Speaker 2: built in the mid eighteen eighties. Strange experiences such as

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Speaker 2: phantom Knox, loud boots running across the stairs, missing objects

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Speaker 2: becoming commonplace for him as he grew up with each

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Speaker 2: run in with what he called the Man in the Hat.

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Speaker 2: John's interest in the paranormal grew bigger and bigger. Fueled

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Speaker 2: by his own experiences with the unknown, John has spent

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Speaker 2: the last thirty plus years interviewing and documenting first hand

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Speaker 2: accounts of those who have witnessed all kinds of strange

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Speaker 2: and unusual phenomena in the Western part of the United States.

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Speaker 2: The Stranger Bridgeland series contains first hand accounts posts monsters, hauntings, glitches,

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Speaker 2: and the Matress, sasquatch and even UFOs. John Olson back

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Speaker 2: on Coast to Coast, Hey, John, it's been almost three years.

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Speaker 2: Good to have you back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks so much for having me George. It's always

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Speaker 3: such a pleasure to talk to you. I'm just a

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Speaker 3: huge fan of all your work and the opportunity to

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Speaker 3: come on here is amazing, So I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: We are fans of your You do a great job

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Speaker 2: out there on the Western Side.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah. I've been working

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Speaker 3: hard getting stories and putting out books, and like you said,

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Speaker 3: my newest one, Stranger Utah, is actually booked eight so yeah,

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Speaker 3: I've been been going hard at it.

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Speaker 2: So eighth books already, that's fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's really fun. I mean, like you know,

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Speaker 3: you get to meet amazing people and hear extraordinary stories,

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Speaker 3: and there's nothing better.

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Speaker 2: Let's go back to the man in the hat during

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Speaker 2: the farmhouse days and then get into what got you

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Speaker 2: collecting these kinds of stories.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So the home I grew up in, like you mentioned,

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Speaker 3: it was built in eighteen eighty, so it was already

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Speaker 3: it wasn't long before, you know, by the time I

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Speaker 3: my house than other people's house. Yeah, and the man

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Speaker 3: in the hat is one entity, one ghost that we

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Speaker 3: were able to see like full body operation at times,

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Speaker 3: and everybody in the family had experiences with him. For example,

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Speaker 3: my mother would have an experience quite a bit where

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Speaker 3: she would be working in one of the rooms and

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Speaker 3: somebody would walk in and she would assume it was

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Speaker 3: and when there was no answer, she would turn and

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Speaker 3: it would be him, and then he would disappear. So

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Speaker 3: it was it was just really fascinating, you know, that

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Speaker 3: he was the one that showed himself, even though I

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Speaker 3: do believe there was a lot more than just one

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Speaker 3: ghost in the house. But later on, when my grandparents

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Speaker 3: passed away, they didn't live very far away. I was

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Speaker 3: flipping through an old photo album when we were helping

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Speaker 3: clean out my grandma's house, and I flipped the page

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Speaker 3: and I bot fell out of my chair, George, because

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Speaker 3: there's a picture of my house, a black and white picture,

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Speaker 3: and a man standing in front, and it was the

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Speaker 3: And I did some research and found out it was

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Speaker 3: in the nineteen twenty so I was able to him. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's him. He is one of the ghosts that is

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Speaker 3: be able to put a person to the ghost now as.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a phenomenon going around now John called the

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Speaker 2: hat Man. Would you consider your man in the hat

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Speaker 3: You know, I know, they're definitely two different things. The

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Speaker 3: hat man that people are seeing, it's more associated with

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Speaker 3: I don't believe there's any correlation between the two, but

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Speaker 2: What kind of stories do you collect, John, So.

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Speaker 3: I collect pretty much any kind of story that you

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Speaker 3: can imagine when it comes to the paranormal ghost stories, cryptids,

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Speaker 3: glitches in the matrix, and I've even got some Fay stories,

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Speaker 2: Truly remarkable. And you concise these into the eight books, yep.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I got them all in the eight books,

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Speaker 3: not just UFOs and one or whatever. It's it's kind

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Speaker 2: So do you have a couple favorite paranormal stories, John.

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Speaker 3: I do you know? As I keep going, I keep

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Speaker 3: But one that really comes to mind is actually my

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Speaker 3: Simon didn't have as many problems. But I just thought

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Speaker 3: great to get it from the professor, because you're talking

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Speaker 2: How many of these stories surprise you, John, Wow?

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Speaker 3: You know my biggest surprise I think going through all

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Speaker 3: and I always considered that folklore. But it was amazing

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Speaker 2: Pretty dramatic. You've done some work about sasquatch too, don't you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, pardon me, that's other than ghosts. I think that's

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Speaker 3: collected some very fascinating stories from people dealing with sasquatch.

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Speaker 3: She lived near Jacksonville, Wyoming, and she would do babysitting

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Speaker 2: How many stories have you collected, do you think over

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Speaker 3: Oh? Boy, you know, I still have so many stories

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Speaker 3: that that I collected that haven't gone in my books.

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Speaker 3: Each book has around twenty eight stories in it.

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Speaker 2: And you interview the people responsible, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So one of the criteria is it has to

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Speaker 3: thirty plus years, I've interviewed a lot of people and

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Speaker 3: just met some really fantastic people. And heard some amazing stories.

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Speaker 2: What has been your favorite story ever?

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Speaker 3: My favorite story ever? Well, I'm one of them, pardon me.

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Speaker 3: One that really comes to mind was in I think

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Speaker 3: it was not this this Stranger Utah, but the one

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Speaker 3: before is actually called a Stranger World, because I had

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Speaker 3: We're going to get along and lift it out by

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Speaker 2: Have you ever had people just come at you with

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when I interview people, George, it's cool because a

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Speaker 2: What takes up most of the stories the ghost stories,

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Speaker 3: Ones, So most of them are ghost stories, I think

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Speaker 3: then cryptids like sasquatch, and then of course you have

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Speaker 3: glitches in the matrix stories which are pretty fascinating as well,

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