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Speaker 1: dot Com and Danny. I'm gonna just jump right into
Speaker 1: it because it's been on my mind. It's been on
Speaker 1: my mind this these past couple of hours, and it's
Speaker 1: just for what do we see yesterday? And I'm talking
Speaker 1: about the Pro Bowl here, like when we was growing up.
Speaker 1: You know, Sean Taylor was playing in their Schmack and punters.
Speaker 1: You had guys given effort, tackling, guys were really trying
Speaker 1: to go out there and win the MVP of this
Speaker 1: game and show what they really have and give the
Speaker 1: fans what they want. But yesterday, I mean, I've seen
Speaker 1: walkthroughs more intense than that. I mean, what's your thoughts
Speaker 1: on this? Look? I didn't. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: Me turning on the Pro Bowl would have been something
Speaker 1: that you should all be surprised about. One because one
Speaker 1: because you already know you are you are a former player. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. If you go out there
Speaker 1: and you get hurt in the Pro Bowl and have
Speaker 1: to miss an extended period of time, you're gonna look
Speaker 1: like a straight up. But you don't be like, man,
Speaker 1: like what was I thinking? Like? What was I thinking? Like?
Speaker 1: Why did I go out there? Was it worth it
Speaker 1: for me to go out there? You're not making your
Speaker 1: full check, right? You out there really to have a
Speaker 1: good time and celebrate the fact that you played well
Speaker 1: enough and people respected your game well enough to get
Speaker 1: you voted into there. I'm not going out there to
Speaker 1: get hurt talking about old school and then I've seen
Speaker 1: the old school dude. They man, you know back in
Speaker 1: the day when yeah, that's old school dudes usually stuck
Speaker 1: in old school. What they what they not? What they're not.
Speaker 1: What they're not seeing is these dudes know each other
Speaker 1: more than those old school dudes knew each other, right, Like,
Speaker 1: dudes are working out together, they taking trips together, They
Speaker 1: on Instagram, I'm back and forth. So a lot of
Speaker 1: these dudes are more than just associalists. This ain't they
Speaker 1: first time meeting each other. Like they know each other.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're not gonna go out there and what
Speaker 1: are we talking about? They got other stuff to do.
Speaker 1: So should we should should the least switch it up?
Speaker 1: Should they switch it up to like a flag football
Speaker 1: or like, you know, something like that. Feel like it'd
Speaker 1: be a little bit more juice to it if that
Speaker 1: was the case. But I mean, we're seeing guys out there.
Speaker 1: They was they was catching the ball in the flats,
Speaker 1: doing a little one two and then art let's tag
Speaker 1: them off. Let's just I just I's the point of
Speaker 1: playing the game. It's bro but the game is just
Speaker 1: it is not a football game, all right, soot they said.
Speaker 1: They said, just they should find a different way to
Speaker 1: market it. It's not a football game. Dudes ain't about
Speaker 1: to go out there and get tackled. So you can
Speaker 1: be mad that you actidentally hurt. You hurt your potting
Speaker 1: and he supposed to be working out in March like,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just just standing there in the in
Speaker 1: the moment that it happens, then somebody's gonna be like,
Speaker 1: oh man, that's crazy. Man. But he went out there
Speaker 1: and played for the pro bo so so he said.
Speaker 1: It's similar to to college kids opting out of the
Speaker 1: out of their ball games when they're not in the
Speaker 1: in the college football playoffs. Absolutely listen, they better be
Speaker 1: looking them to show it up. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: dudes who were supposed to show up and they're like, nah,
Speaker 1: I'm good, bro. So would you rather them like do
Speaker 1: that or would you rather them show up and still
Speaker 1: get the fans a little something to watch or you
Speaker 1: just be a just want everybody to be like a man,
Speaker 1: I ain't doing it. I'm a Pro Bowl guy. I'm
Speaker 1: staying at home. I'm not I'm not going out to
Speaker 1: Vegas and do all that. All the crazy I'm with
Speaker 1: you on now, because I understand you know, the the NFL,
Speaker 1: they you know, they want to market their brand out there,
Speaker 1: so they want to have the fans enjoy it. They
Speaker 1: don't want the fans go home and say, man, what
Speaker 1: did I waste my money on this? But you know,
Speaker 1: I get it from the player's perspective as well. Like
Speaker 1: you said, you can't what if you go out there
Speaker 1: and tearn ACL. I mean, it's so late in the season.
Speaker 1: It's after the season, so you wouldn't be ready again
Speaker 1: until maybe midway through the next season. So I understand
Speaker 1: why the players, you know, take it lax and don't
Speaker 1: really show any effort out there. I understand that case.
Speaker 1: But to me, I'm just like, why why you even
Speaker 1: have the game? You're just making like a flag football
Speaker 1: tournament seven or seven or something like that, you know,
Speaker 1: and that at least have a little bit more excitement
Speaker 1: than going out there and playing two head touch fully padded.
Speaker 1: So I think it's an NFL problem. But then you
Speaker 1: also because I got to keep them blowing on because
Speaker 1: I seen you all the old school dudes hate a
Speaker 1: lot of hate. So this year, specifically, dudes that play
Speaker 1: seventeen games all right, some of these dudes got eliminated.
Speaker 1: It didn't even make the playoffs. So they at home
Speaker 1: on the couch chilling with you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and then you're like, all right, listen, hey, make sure
Speaker 1: you stay in because you got that Pro Bowl game
Speaker 1: coming up, where where the film don't matter, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, The actual winning and losing it don't matter.
Speaker 1: Only reason they don't they don't complain about that in
Speaker 1: the NBA. Uh, it's because one is in the middle
Speaker 1: of the season. These dudes still have they in shape,
Speaker 1: they still have to go out and play afterwards, and
Speaker 1: then they only play hard in the full quarter, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But all Star weekend it's set
Speaker 1: up so differently to where it's like a true celebration
Speaker 1: and pro Bo is just probably the season with like
Speaker 1: think about the dudes who were done in decenting like
Speaker 1: January Knights like bro so a month later I gotta
Speaker 1: go outare and do what? So should they put some
Speaker 1: incentive on the game, like you know, I know it's
Speaker 1: after these seasons, so it's not like they can say,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever side wins. You know, the NFC gets
Speaker 1: you know, home fill avantge or whatever. You can't really
Speaker 1: do that because, um, you know, it's not in the
Speaker 1: middle of the season. So should they put some type
Speaker 1: of incentive like maybe money wise, maybe you know drafted. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, because they gotta make
Speaker 1: the game because right now there's no point in watch
Speaker 1: it's done. But what you saw is what you're gonna get.
Speaker 1: Okay that the people who really get something out of
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl, or the people who actually went to Vegas,
Speaker 1: the fans who went out there and they were able
Speaker 1: to watch the skills and drills and get the autographs
Speaker 1: from the guys that they wanted, those are the people
Speaker 1: who are really getting some out of it, all right.
Speaker 1: It's I don't think it's anything you can do about
Speaker 1: imagine going like you you're a gambler, you're in Vegas,
Speaker 1: you gamble on the game. I think they go and
Speaker 1: then you see the effort that they're putting out there.
Speaker 1: You're a bad gambler if that's what it was. And
Speaker 1: you was going out there the bed on the Pro
Speaker 1: Bow knowing like this ain't the first time them dudes
Speaker 1: was out there playing like that, all right, Like the
Speaker 1: like remembering what Sean Taylor did. If that stuff happened
Speaker 1: to they dudes are being some serious trouble, bro. There'll
Speaker 1: be some real beef going on if somebody went out
Speaker 1: there and smacked the receiver coming across the miner. Bro,
Speaker 1: come on, this ain't it ain't. It ain't the same.
Speaker 1: It ain't the same, old school dudes, it ain't the same.
Speaker 1: Y'all was out there wild the young the young. We
Speaker 1: work smarter, not harder. All right, all these dudes they
Speaker 1: at home, they're healthy, they're healthy with their family. They're
Speaker 1: not in the hospital walking around because they tore se
Speaker 1: reps of achilles. Like going hard for a Pro Bowl game. Actually,
Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of things, the game doesn't mean
Speaker 1: anything to that, Like they already made it. Get you
Speaker 1: know what, you're good. And by the way, the winning
Speaker 1: team gets eighty kachka and then the losing team gets forty.
Speaker 1: It's a little incentive. These are bro, these are Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl players. Bro. Nothing, Yeah, they got fine a grand
Speaker 1: you know, they played for your offseason adventures. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Okay, how about this? How about that?
Speaker 1: So now, so now you get a workout monus for
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand. But now you can't even show up
Speaker 1: the workout because you made eighty can't You can't show up,
Speaker 1: and now you might lose your spot because you see
Speaker 1: boys getting that's the right, that's right people getting white.
Speaker 1: Don't let it be you. Exactly. The skills competition was
Speaker 1: more compani exactly exactly CB. So before we dive into
Speaker 1: you know, Dan Quinn and the comments Jerry May, let's
Speaker 1: talk about this skills because that's what I watched. To
Speaker 1: be honest, once I turned on the real Pro Bowl game,
Speaker 1: I was like, man, you know I ain't watching it.
Speaker 1: Ain't of them. So the skills challenge, we had two
Speaker 1: of our guys competing. I think it was the fastest
Speaker 1: man competition. I don't know if it was forty yards.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they were racing, but it was
Speaker 1: a forty forty. So the two players we had in
Speaker 1: there Michael Parsons, Trademond Diggs, and the other two were
Speaker 1: the Cheetah Tyreek Hill and Nick Chub, the running back
Speaker 1: out of Cleveland. Now, going into this, I know Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons ran what he were like a four to three
Speaker 1: something in at the combat, so I know he was
Speaker 1: going to show out. We know the type of guy
Speaker 1: he is. He's a competitor. Anytime there's some type of
Speaker 1: competitive juices going on, he wants all a part of it.
Speaker 1: He's a young guy. He's young exactly. He's a young
Speaker 1: guys that would have been my So going into that,
Speaker 1: you saw what the guy was able to do in
Speaker 1: that forty yard dash. Does that further cement him as
Speaker 1: being one of the most explosive players, especially being a
Speaker 1: rookie International Football League? I mean he was. I know,
Speaker 1: Tyreek didn't really trial like that. He came out that
Speaker 1: the box jog and he had his full suit on,
Speaker 1: so he really wasn't going like that. But thenz and
Speaker 1: Chuck up. They were trying and that's a corner and
Speaker 1: that's a running back going against a linebacker slash defensive end.
Speaker 1: Did it further solidify anything for you and that in
Speaker 1: that regard, No, sir, I mean for three or fourty three,
Speaker 1: it don't matter what you play, all right. So once
Speaker 1: once he see men of the fact that he was
Speaker 1: running that fast, I wasn't surprised that he was there.
Speaker 1: While I also wasn't surprised that Tyree Hill didn't sprint
Speaker 1: like I said, Tyrek Hills a vent in the game.
Speaker 1: He got nothing to prove. You could turn the film
Speaker 1: on and see how fast is do this. All you
Speaker 1: got to do is turn it on and see him
Speaker 1: waving the dudes breaking ankles could touch. Even if let's
Speaker 1: just take Tyrek tried like I'm really in these box,
Speaker 1: I'm really getting out. You think Parsons would have had
Speaker 1: any chance to beat him? Now, I don't think it
Speaker 1: would have been a blowout of a race. But now
Speaker 1: Tyrey Hill, Tyrek Hill. The race I would like to
Speaker 1: see is Tyree Hill and Jamar Chase just just game
Speaker 1: film game speed. Those are two dudes. When you turn
Speaker 1: the film on and you watch how they just defeat
Speaker 1: angles of guys and and then them dudes ain't slow
Speaker 1: corners at all. And then that's what it like you said,
Speaker 1: they're erasing angles out there like you see. I see.
Speaker 1: I watched on that. I think it was they played
Speaker 1: Cincinnati the first time during the regular season. I think
Speaker 1: it was week seventeen, and um, what's the no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It was the playoff game against the Bills
Speaker 1: and Tyrek Hill caught that overtime pad or whatever my
Speaker 1: man literally was piecing dudes out. They were five yards
Speaker 1: ahead of him, so and he was piecing them out
Speaker 1: five yards behind him. No one he was going to
Speaker 1: be erased that angle. I mean, that's pure speed. And
Speaker 1: then like you said, Jamar chased the way he's his
Speaker 1: ability to just gang ground on people. It's remarkable. That
Speaker 1: would have been a hell of a race to check
Speaker 1: out and and listen. This is how you know dudes
Speaker 1: is fast. Right if your coach does not yell at
Speaker 1: you on the sideline when you're getting burnt out. Anytime
Speaker 1: Tyrek Hill line up at number three in a closed
Speaker 1: formation with a tight end and he runs that over route,
Speaker 1: you can automatically assume that he's going to be open
Speaker 1: because nobody can run, you know, step for step with him.
Speaker 1: And then the coach is just like, dangn that go again.
Speaker 1: You can't. You can't. You can't even want to ground.
Speaker 1: You can't coach. You can't coach the dude the run faster.
Speaker 1: Right if the d lid don't get there, Tyrek Hill
Speaker 1: is able to outrun anybody who's covering him. So that's
Speaker 1: how you know dudes is fast. When the coach is like, man,
Speaker 1: I got nothing. You remember we used to be like
Speaker 1: called hamstring buster. Who used to be the hamstring buster.
Speaker 1: I'm a can breaking Yeah, I mean your hammies are
Speaker 1: gone if you try to chase that man. It was
Speaker 1: Coach Baker used to be like, hey, man, y'all make
Speaker 1: sure y'all stress for y'all get out there on that
Speaker 1: field to day, because I'm telling you, dudes is coming. Okay,
Speaker 1: play play teen yards, I'll play twit. Yeah, whatever you
Speaker 1: got to do to make sure this dude don't get
Speaker 1: past you, because you know he's just that fast. There's
Speaker 1: a hamstring buster. He's a hamstring buster all right now.
Speaker 1: But before we take our first break, you know, we
Speaker 1: got a couple of minutes before that first one. Let's
Speaker 1: dive into a little bit more Cowboys football. Let's get
Speaker 1: a little bit more deeper into this now. You know,
Speaker 1: with all the reports going out there, Miami didn't have
Speaker 1: their their head coach hired. I forget his same Mike McDaniels.
Speaker 1: I thought the multiratial Yeah, oh, why couldn't they just
Speaker 1: say buying the ball time ranger. I ain't gonna lie
Speaker 1: to you, I ain't gonna dive into it. But look
Speaker 1: at the picture. Look at the picture. I said, wait,
Speaker 1: we look at the picture. You identified as whatever you
Speaker 1: want to whatever. Everybody got that, right, I guess I
Speaker 1: don't know what. Just look at the picture. That ain't
Speaker 1: the problem. Okay, they talking about black coaches. I don't
Speaker 1: care what they're talking about, specifically black coaches. And the
Speaker 1: reason they talk about black coaches because most of the
Speaker 1: league is black. That's what we're talking about, all right,
Speaker 1: But whatever. Yea, they hired him. They hired him, So
Speaker 1: Miami got their guy. And I don't know if Kellen
Speaker 1: has anything else lined up around the league as far
Speaker 1: as interviewing process, not sure, but from all you know,
Speaker 1: from what it looks like, the guy might be coming
Speaker 1: back to Dallas or he is coming back to Dallas.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like bringing him back as that offensive coordinator?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like that makes this team that much better?
Speaker 1: Better than who better? Just as overall just having him
Speaker 1: back on this offensive scheme or whatever offense we've been
Speaker 1: running these past couple couple of years. Do you think
Speaker 1: that bringing him back is the right thing for the Cowboy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was the last few years, and they've been good,
Speaker 1: Okay the last few Okay, the year before Dak got paid.
Speaker 1: This was the year when Dak was on my fantasy
Speaker 1: team and he was getting enough but trash yards. We
Speaker 1: came here every week. It was like trash yards. We know,
Speaker 1: if Dak had ten points in the first half, it
Speaker 1: didn't matter because he was gonna get twenty five in
Speaker 1: a second because they was gonna be a slow starting
Speaker 1: team who had to come back, and they still didn't
Speaker 1: have a good record all before he got hurt. That
Speaker 1: next year, we were almost losing to Atlanta if the
Speaker 1: watermelon kicks. We were turning the ball over like crazy.
Speaker 1: We were not on pace to be a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: winning team or one of those offenses to where they
Speaker 1: are electric from start defense. It was like we gotta
Speaker 1: clause up back in it. Same thing we saw this
Speaker 1: year when you played against some good competition, or the
Speaker 1: further that you got into the season when you had
Speaker 1: to start switching stuff up, because though the defensive coordinators
Speaker 1: are able to see what you're doing, we were not
Speaker 1: able to be successful. So the only thing that can
Speaker 1: make this being successful with Keller Moore coming back is
Speaker 1: if he goes and this is no pun attend. If
Speaker 1: he goes in the lab, we're gonna another coach going
Speaker 1: into the lab. Bro. He got to go into the lab, Bro,
Speaker 1: and he got to sit back and he got to
Speaker 1: go in there. First, you need to look at the
Speaker 1: mirror and say, listen, whatever I did or whatever I'm
Speaker 1: doing with this specific quarterback is not working how it
Speaker 1: should be working right with the weapons that we have.
Speaker 1: Then going the lab with dan Quinn and figure out
Speaker 1: how you can scheme up some other stuff, how you
Speaker 1: can get your guys in one on one position to
Speaker 1: say that I'm better than this guy and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: beat him on the slant, I'm gonna beat him on
Speaker 1: the face some of those Dad's Brian plays some of
Speaker 1: some of that, like mine is better than yours, and
Speaker 1: when we're gonna we're gonna toss it up and see
Speaker 1: who can get it. Going the lab, see if you
Speaker 1: can get that done. Maximize the potential of your star players.
Speaker 1: And then I think I think the scuys the limit
Speaker 1: for us. But if you continue to be able to
Speaker 1: let defenses dictate what you're going to run based off
Speaker 1: what they scheme and what they show and how they disguise,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the same thing. Yea, you know the
Speaker 1: same thing. I mean, I'm with you because because the
Speaker 1: guy you know credited this guy, he did have the
Speaker 1: number one offense, you know, throughout the regular season, but
Speaker 1: that didn't correlate to more wins. You know, we got
Speaker 1: into the dance and we weren't able to get over
Speaker 1: the hump. Weren't able to go out there and get
Speaker 1: to w against San Francisco forty nine ers. And a
Speaker 1: lot of that's got to be on the offensive side
Speaker 1: of the football because defense, you know, the forty nine
Speaker 1: were able to run the football on us. They scored
Speaker 1: on the first four possessions, but the defense of the
Speaker 1: second half they held their own. They gave us an
Speaker 1: opportunity to go out there and win the game. You know. Offensively,
Speaker 1: we just weren't able to get out of that slump.
Speaker 1: It just seems like we weren't able to get out
Speaker 1: of our way, whether it's you know, penalties, the defense
Speaker 1: just figuring us out, not enough creativity, whatever the case
Speaker 1: may be. We weren't able to get over that hump offensively,
Speaker 1: and that was supposed to be a strength, especially coming
Speaker 1: into this season, how lowded we are. We were supposed
Speaker 1: to have the three thousand yard receivers. We got a
Speaker 1: ninety million dollars back in the backfield and a great
Speaker 1: compliment back to him, and Tony Pollard got the tight
Speaker 1: end situation. Offensive line, it's not the best as it
Speaker 1: was in the past, but it's definitely nowhere, you know,
Speaker 1: as bad as Cincinnati's offensive line is. So we had
Speaker 1: no excuses out there. Yet through the beginning of the season,
Speaker 1: it was all up, Oh man, that's throwing the ball
Speaker 1: over the place. You know, this offense is clicking on
Speaker 1: all cylinders. We had two running backs in the top
Speaker 1: ten rushing for the National Football League. The receivers are happy,
Speaker 1: everything's going great, and then that calf injury happened and
Speaker 1: he missed two games, and then after that that slump happened,
Speaker 1: and it just seemed like we weren't able to get
Speaker 1: out of our own way. And like I said, I
Speaker 1: don't know if that was creativity wise. You know, defense
Speaker 1: is just kind of getting the tapeall kelling and figuring
Speaker 1: out how to slow him down offensively or what in
Speaker 1: case may be. But in your opinion, what does this
Speaker 1: offense need to do next year to be able to
Speaker 1: be I mean, I know they were the number one
Speaker 1: offense this year, but to at least get that number
Speaker 1: one offense and have wins to back it up as well.
Speaker 1: I think you should not be focusing on being a
Speaker 1: number one offense. I think you should be focusing on
Speaker 1: being a balanced offense with an identity. You need to
Speaker 1: find a way to when you're building this team for
Speaker 1: next year and you're putting it together, to say this
Speaker 1: is what our identity is going to be. Right, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go back to when we had the offensive line.
Speaker 1: Nobody had a question what our identity was. When we
Speaker 1: had Tyren Smith, and we had Travis Frederick and you
Speaker 1: had Zach Mark. It was no question. Every defense that
Speaker 1: we played knew exactly what they was gonna get. For
Speaker 1: sixty minutes on Sunday, you was gonna have to see
Speaker 1: them dudes. You had to see Zeke, had to see
Speaker 1: de Marco, and then you was gonna have to uh
Speaker 1: Davis was gonna be in a one on one, right,
Speaker 1: You knew exactly what was gonna happen and they couldn't
Speaker 1: stop it. So the number one thing they need to
Speaker 1: do you need to find a way to find some balance,
Speaker 1: get some identity so your team knows exactly who they are?
Speaker 1: Why are they going through the season because nobody knew
Speaker 1: what we were? Do you think like this? So, do
Speaker 1: you think the offense is trying to feature a strength
Speaker 1: that really isn't a strength? You know they're trying to
Speaker 1: I know, I know Dak Prescott's a hell of a quarterback.
Speaker 1: He's a hell of a player. I wouldn't call him
Speaker 1: a leak or anything like that, but he's a hell
Speaker 1: of a player. Do you think what we're doing offensively
Speaker 1: it's just trying to highlight him too much instead of
Speaker 1: being more of that balance, you know, highlight Zeke a
Speaker 1: little bit here, not put everything on Dak Prescott's shoulders.
Speaker 1: Do you think that might be some of the disconnect
Speaker 1: here between being a number one offense and not correlating
Speaker 1: the victories. Yeah, I'm just gonna say I believe that
Speaker 1: it is. I want to say overthinking, but it's getting
Speaker 1: close to overthinking of like, how how can we draw
Speaker 1: the play and make sure the read happens perfectly every
Speaker 1: time to where you have to hit the right person
Speaker 1: every single time versus sometimes you got to throw some
Speaker 1: contested balls. I mean, the dudes gotta make some contested catches.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the hole is gonna be clogged up, but you
Speaker 1: got a ninety million dollar guy back there, You got
Speaker 1: Tony Paula back there. Sometimes the player is gonna have
Speaker 1: to make that play right. It doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: perfect every time, but you have to get these dudes
Speaker 1: involved in the game so they can show you why
Speaker 1: they are special. Right now, we're not letting dude show
Speaker 1: why they're special. We just letting dudes run routes and
Speaker 1: then if they open based off whatever the defense gives you,
Speaker 1: then that's what they got. But that's not why you
Speaker 1: pay dudes. That ain't why you pay him. Mark Cooper million,
Speaker 1: I mean hundred million. You pay him a hundred million
Speaker 1: because you know that if he lines up one on
Speaker 1: one that he can route this dude up and he
Speaker 1: should be open. You pay Zeke ninety million because you
Speaker 1: know if you give him twenty carries, your record is
Speaker 1: almost four to one. All done, hell a lot better.
Speaker 1: That's why you're paying this dude ninety million dollars. Right
Speaker 1: when when Ezekiel Elliott was out, when he was suspending
Speaker 1: up six games, why did we feel like the season
Speaker 1: was over? He was that that guy right identity and
Speaker 1: we just don't have that right now. Oh Zeke, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he passed blocking and he doing good and nobody got
Speaker 1: don't know what. I don't want to pass blocking. We
Speaker 1: want to run back in the back ninety million. Yeah,
Speaker 1: run the ball, bro what are you doing? Zeken special?
Speaker 1: He can still be special, but if you don't give
Speaker 1: him the opportunity, like Jerry said, yeah, you're gonna waste
Speaker 1: the career. You're going to continue till when you're gonna
Speaker 1: waste Tony Bowler's career. You're gonna waste Z's career. Coop
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what they're gonna do with
Speaker 1: Coop this year and all these other guys, but you yeah,
Speaker 1: you put in some money on some guys and you're
Speaker 1: gonna be like, man, my ro I just did not
Speaker 1: come back. It didn't come back at all. Nine. Well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take our first break here, which is at
Speaker 1: the s WBC studios here at the Star. When we
Speaker 1: get back, we're gonna dive into a little bit of
Speaker 1: these free agents or who's gonna stay, who's not a
Speaker 1: Mark Cooper. The Law also comments what Jerry said about
Speaker 1: bringing back the defensive coordinator Dan Quinn, and we also
Speaker 1: have the great, the legendary Will McClay, the one that's
Speaker 1: been hitting on all of these draft picks these past
Speaker 1: couple of years. We'll have him in the studio probably
Speaker 1: around our third segment, but this will be our first break.
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Speaker 1: he got a little bit of Jerry's audio that we're
Speaker 1: gonna listen to here about Dan Quinn and bringing him
Speaker 1: back to this cowboy organization. I know my boy Daniel
Speaker 1: Berry is excited about it, so sebe can you roll
Speaker 1: that audio for us please? What we really did, the
Speaker 1: hard work on was to maintain dan Quinn, and I
Speaker 1: felt that that had a lot of different different things vantages,
Speaker 1: and I mentioned that I was so pleased was how
Speaker 1: we had stayed in communication with Dan, stayed in communication
Speaker 1: with his representatives, and how Mike had spent time and
Speaker 1: had his polls talking to him because all of us
Speaker 1: wanted Dan to stay. That was a key to our
Speaker 1: continuity here. Well, you heard it Ry first, or you
Speaker 1: heard it at that interview, but you know, I know
Speaker 1: you're excited about this, Danny. I know you're exciting because
Speaker 1: you was beating down the walls before anybody beat down
Speaker 1: the walls about bringing dan Quinn back to this Cowboys
Speaker 1: organization or just bringing him here in general. So, what
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on the Cowboys bringing dan Quinn back
Speaker 1: as their defensive coordinator even though he was one of
Speaker 1: the hottest candidates in the league this offseason as far
Speaker 1: as getting a new head coaching job so so far,
Speaker 1: definitely the biggest move of the off season. Um and
Speaker 1: depending on who you can get in the draft, it
Speaker 1: might continue to be the biggest move of all season.
Speaker 1: I think what we missed in that video was Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones saying kind of insinuating that guys like to stay
Speaker 1: here in Dallas, especially when they assume that they may
Speaker 1: be a potential head coach Das guys. It's guys, guys
Speaker 1: have that that that that kind of idea of like,
Speaker 1: hey man, I want to be in Dallas. There's a
Speaker 1: potential for me to be a head coach. And he
Speaker 1: wants guys to think that, right, he wants guys to
Speaker 1: think that. So you got last week, you had Sean Payton,
Speaker 1: you know, all that talk about John pay Now you
Speaker 1: got this talk about my man dan Quinn. I'm just
Speaker 1: glad that Kelly Moore is not in the running to
Speaker 1: be the head coach for the Dallas Cowboys. We don't
Speaker 1: know that yet. We don't don't I know, I know
Speaker 1: you got Mike McCarthy dan Quinn up here. There's no
Speaker 1: way there's an elevation of Kelly Moore over dan Quinn's
Speaker 1: head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. But now I love
Speaker 1: it man to you know, all seriousness or whatever, Kelly Moore,
Speaker 1: I don't have no issue what to do. This as
Speaker 1: an all series of to the poke. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know the dude, but um, I
Speaker 1: think it's great, I think Michael. I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: help the help Michael Parsons continue to be a better player.
Speaker 1: Depending on what we do with Tank. I think it
Speaker 1: Tank gets a full year under Dan Quinn, you will
Speaker 1: see a much better Tank. When he came back, he
Speaker 1: looked like a totally different player than what he was
Speaker 1: last year. Depending on what you do with Randy, depending
Speaker 1: on how many tools you give this dude. You see,
Speaker 1: he could make some noise, and that was just his
Speaker 1: first year where you've seen him. You know, they chopped
Speaker 1: at a half pretty much of like we were the
Speaker 1: worst all of a sudden, we floating around the middle
Speaker 1: of the pack. Next year, if you give the dude
Speaker 1: the tools, then you should be able to get up
Speaker 1: into that top ten defense. And I'll be asking for
Speaker 1: my bet back. I don't know about top ten, This
Speaker 1: defense will definitely get I'll ask for my bag. Were
Speaker 1: gonna see, We're gonna see. But I'm with you on
Speaker 1: this regard. You know, I think you know Dan and
Speaker 1: Quinn last year was definitely one of the biggest free
Speaker 1: agent you know, acquisitions we got, if we can call
Speaker 1: it that, And I think it's it definitely proved dividends
Speaker 1: for this defense overall last year, and then bringing him
Speaker 1: back in that same type of defensive coordinator role um
Speaker 1: to me is important because you, like you said, he
Speaker 1: got the most out of all his players, because pretty
Speaker 1: much a lot of those players that were on that
Speaker 1: historically bad defense in twenty twenty we're part of this
Speaker 1: twenty twenty twenty two season, and they played extremely well.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Anthony Brown, Jordan Lewis, look at what
Speaker 1: Diggs did out there. They were able to play extremely
Speaker 1: well out there. Even Lvee he came back and had
Speaker 1: one of his bounce back years. He wasn't back to
Speaker 1: his Pro Bowl caliber, but he was definitely a solid
Speaker 1: player out there. So I think dan Quinn definitely got
Speaker 1: the most out of all his players out there production wise,
Speaker 1: and another year under that system that could be even better.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what we're gonna do with the law
Speaker 1: and those other guys and a lot of free agents
Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the football, but bringing back
Speaker 1: dan Quinn definitely definitely will prove dividends for this defense.
Speaker 1: I mean, when you got guys like you know, Curse
Speaker 1: coming in here, Kzy Brent Urban, you got a couple
Speaker 1: of guys that, you know, not really big known guys
Speaker 1: around the NFL, but he was able to go out
Speaker 1: there and turn Curse, who basically in Detroit and Minnesota
Speaker 1: was you know, a special teams guy. He played defense
Speaker 1: sparingly here and there. He turned that guy into one
Speaker 1: of the better safeties in the National Football League. You Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was just his system or
Speaker 1: however he used him, but the guy was definitely highly
Speaker 1: productive out there as a safety. You look at Kazy,
Speaker 1: he was able to do some pretty good things, even
Speaker 1: though he needs to work on his angles in the
Speaker 1: back end, but that's a story for another day. You
Speaker 1: got this defensive line who he works extensively with, you
Speaker 1: know the law urban O, Diggi Zooa, you know Gallamore,
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory. He works with those guys on an everyday basis,
Speaker 1: and he got him flying around. He had him flying
Speaker 1: around as well as aiden he's their defensive line coach
Speaker 1: out there. He had those guys flying around. So the
Speaker 1: importance of bringing back a dan Quinn to me, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's up there. It's extremely high up there,
Speaker 1: and this guy has proved dividends for this Cowboys defense
Speaker 1: and this organization overall, and the culture of your team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: their entire team. We saw the entire team followed that
Speaker 1: swag that dan Quinn came in with. Now, it didn't
Speaker 1: get us to the super Bowl, but you can you
Speaker 1: can just fill it from around the building from due
Speaker 1: our training camp and you're hearing like how the defense
Speaker 1: is playing and all that, and you can attribute a
Speaker 1: lot of that to dan Quinn. I think even Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy got a little bit more comfortable knowing that he
Speaker 1: had a defensive coordinator who could really get the most
Speaker 1: out of his players on the other side of the ball.
Speaker 1: I think that also helped Mike McCarthy be better at
Speaker 1: his job as well. So it's huge that we got
Speaker 1: dan quinnback stay another couple of years. By man, please
Speaker 1: let us let us be let the Cowboys be known
Speaker 1: for having a good defense. Let let that be something, right,
Speaker 1: because when this last time we've been known for that, right,
Speaker 1: it's always been offense. I've always been offen. Let's get
Speaker 1: the first round draft pick. Let's get this. We got rong,
Speaker 1: we got the Marco. Now now we got a team
Speaker 1: to where we can get the defense rolling. So I'm okay,
Speaker 1: if we get a two thousand Ravens type defensive performers
Speaker 1: from from the Dallas Cowboys moving forward, I'm cool with that.
Speaker 1: And without further ado, we got the legend, the man,
Speaker 1: the myth, the legend, Will McClay joining the players lounge
Speaker 1: here down at the s WBC studios. Thank you, Will
Speaker 1: for stopping Baden to talk to me and my boy
Speaker 1: McCray right there, right on time. I got any about
Speaker 1: twenty seconds off. Look like that's see, that's that's why.
Speaker 1: That's why he is what he at right now exactly early. No,
Speaker 1: that's why I like y'all because y'all were on which
Speaker 1: made me there you go, there you go. What's up,
Speaker 1: Will Man? How you been good? Man? Just got back
Speaker 1: from the Senior Bowl. Okay, a week of Mobile Alabama.
Speaker 1: I can see that. I can see one of my
Speaker 1: old teammates, Kelvin Shepherd, is out there. He was coaching.
Speaker 1: Was he cousin linebackers? Use linebackers? He's like he was
Speaker 1: having a of the time he's out there in Detroit.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, so it looked like he was doing
Speaker 1: a good job out there, man, you know, so it's mobile,
Speaker 1: So you got to look for the posters. This is true.
Speaker 1: It is true. Yeah, alright, Well, so I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: hold you up too much, man, I just wanted to
Speaker 1: pick your brain a little bit here, you know, going
Speaker 1: into You've been doing this for years now, years now,
Speaker 1: scouting and then getting these picks in for these guys
Speaker 1: here at the Cowboys, and you've done an amazing job.
Speaker 1: I mean from LV to you know, Parsons to you
Speaker 1: know Jaylen Smith was out there for a while doing
Speaker 1: and CD and days. I mean, your records impeccable. So
Speaker 1: what goes through, you know, the process and an offseason
Speaker 1: like yourself going through scouting these players, getting them, you know,
Speaker 1: ready for the combound, Like what what what are you
Speaker 1: looking for in these players to come to Dallas and
Speaker 1: help this team out. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: what we really need to continue to improve on us
Speaker 1: getting those dogs. We need to get those guys at
Speaker 1: the time when it's time to make plays, to make
Speaker 1: those plays. And as you build a team, you continue
Speaker 1: to do that. But when it starts, when the season's over,
Speaker 1: we understand where our rosters. We go evaluate our roster,
Speaker 1: what kind of what plays A free agents what holes are.
Speaker 1: We're going to have that whole process, do it that
Speaker 1: way to talk about where our team is. And the
Speaker 1: college scouts have been out since you know, August, going
Speaker 1: looking at prospects and so they've built all the reports
Speaker 1: and we're continuing to find out about the players and
Speaker 1: then we get to see them live, interview them, do
Speaker 1: all that stuff. That's what starts now is like trying
Speaker 1: to find out what's on the inside. You know, we
Speaker 1: can watch the tape and find out kind of their abilities.
Speaker 1: Now what's more important is finding out what's on the inside.
Speaker 1: Can they learn, do they have the right stuff, and
Speaker 1: then do they fit what we do? So just off
Speaker 1: the topic a little bit, So I want to know
Speaker 1: how the new college system is affecting how you think
Speaker 1: about players, right because you see guys sitting out years
Speaker 1: they might not play in the Bowl game. They might
Speaker 1: be having a different mindset now because they might be
Speaker 1: making a little money before they even get to the league.
Speaker 1: And I know, I know back in the passage just
Speaker 1: like dudes is grinding so they can they can try
Speaker 1: to make some money for their family. They want to
Speaker 1: make sure that they get that. And then now you
Speaker 1: got guys were freshman's freshman going out there making a
Speaker 1: million dollars hire million dollars there. So how does that
Speaker 1: affect how you look at a player, how much more
Speaker 1: research you have to do, and to who they are
Speaker 1: as a person. It's ever evolved. It's you know, you
Speaker 1: add that layer into it because, like you guys said,
Speaker 1: when we were coming up, it was ball and you
Speaker 1: know you had to do something to put food on
Speaker 1: the table. Now these guys are getting opportunities in college
Speaker 1: to do that. So what's going to be their motivation
Speaker 1: for playing ball? That's why you got to dig in
Speaker 1: and find out about them. And you know, I always
Speaker 1: say it's about scouting and what we do. We're asking
Speaker 1: people about people and putting them into another environment with people. Well,
Speaker 1: now you add the element of finances and what's in
Speaker 1: a dude's mindset when it becomes more difficult and so
Speaker 1: you really have to dig. You really got a call
Speaker 1: on like, it's important for me to have guys like
Speaker 1: you interact with some of the young guys because y'all
Speaker 1: are younger guys that but are old heads that kind
Speaker 1: of understand the new and the young age. So it's
Speaker 1: it's trying to get that information and really dissected as
Speaker 1: much as possible, because it's really hard because, for example,
Speaker 1: we had this hard line stance last year at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the process. When you're thinking about guys who
Speaker 1: didn't play, guys who opted out, Well, now you got
Speaker 1: to find out what their why is, why did they
Speaker 1: opt out? Okay, now you got to weigh some of
Speaker 1: that in with your thought pressing. And there's biases and
Speaker 1: everything we do we try and overcome those and say,
Speaker 1: if we're gonna look at this situation this way, let's
Speaker 1: make sure we look at the other situation with all
Speaker 1: the different variables you know involved too, to try and
Speaker 1: help us make a better decision. And it's crazy too
Speaker 1: because two of the best players this season did not
Speaker 1: play college Parsons Chase did not play college football. That
Speaker 1: if to it. That adds to it. And you know,
Speaker 1: we go to like the Senior Bowl and agents are
Speaker 1: pulling players out after a couple of days, and that's
Speaker 1: been common, but it's just more so now because there
Speaker 1: are some guys that didn't play last year and had success,
Speaker 1: so other guys think they can do that. Well, you
Speaker 1: might not be those two. Everybody always always remember that.
Speaker 1: So I want to ask another one, um, what is
Speaker 1: the evaluation of free agents, like, because these past a
Speaker 1: couple of free agents that you guys have had that
Speaker 1: the Curses, the Kazys, they've come here and they bawled out,
Speaker 1: I mean curse. You know when he was in Minnesota,
Speaker 1: when he was in Detroit, he was more just a
Speaker 1: special teams guy, came in here and did a couple
Speaker 1: of defensive snaps here and there. You know, when you're
Speaker 1: evaluating guys like that, how did you how did you
Speaker 1: know that he was gonna be able to come here
Speaker 1: and be kind of that standout safety, kind of be
Speaker 1: that guy in the back end. And can you also
Speaker 1: add parcels in there too, because we also want to know,
Speaker 1: like because when I wasn't here at that time when
Speaker 1: Parslons got drafted and I was like, yeah, old line
Speaker 1: also stuff and then people saw it though, Like so
Speaker 1: just kind of going too in regards to curse and
Speaker 1: like pro free agents College's projection. You know, you're projecting
Speaker 1: these dudes in when you go to pro free agents,
Speaker 1: it's more these guys are actually this is they're actually
Speaker 1: competing against NFL guys, and so you kind of look
Speaker 1: at this skill set and for us defensively and offensively
Speaker 1: when you include players in there, that's where the communication
Speaker 1: with coaches and stuff, Right, Okay, what's your vision for
Speaker 1: this player? What are you looking for? So then we
Speaker 1: go out and try and find the skill set and
Speaker 1: there's evidence on that skill set on tape on NFL. Guys,
Speaker 1: you say, Okay, if we coach him right, he can
Speaker 1: fit in this role. And I think with Dan and
Speaker 1: what we've done in the free agent parts, you gotta
Speaker 1: feel for guys like if both of you guys were
Speaker 1: free agents right now coming into the system, I would say,
Speaker 1: Danny mccraige, boom boom boom, this is what he can do.
Speaker 1: This is what he can't do. Same thing with Barry Church, coach,
Speaker 1: what are you looking for? Now? These things fit and
Speaker 1: it's it's actual to me, it's it's it's easier when
Speaker 1: you go UFA's it's actual from a skill set standpoint. Now,
Speaker 1: what you still have to kind of get wrap your
Speaker 1: mind around is who is a dude who you're bringing
Speaker 1: into the locker room? His skill sets? One thing? Now,
Speaker 1: who you're bringing in because the culture is the locker
Speaker 1: room to fit all that other stuff. And then when
Speaker 1: it comes to Micah as far as players, um, we
Speaker 1: remember going through the draft meetings and you look at Okay,
Speaker 1: he can do this, he can do that, he can
Speaker 1: do this, uh and all at a high level. But
Speaker 1: now it's how are you going to use him? That's
Speaker 1: the key, you know, it's you say it's about I
Speaker 1: always say it's about the Jimmy's and the Joe's, not
Speaker 1: the exes and the os. But you got to figure
Speaker 1: out where Jimmy and Joe go within your exes and
Speaker 1: o's and that's where the coaching comes in. So so
Speaker 1: with that because you know, I'm a dan Quinn so
Speaker 1: so in my mind to me, I'm just thinking that
Speaker 1: Dan dan Quinn specifically not not the shots to other
Speaker 1: other coaches that have been here, specifically has an idea
Speaker 1: before you pick, like when you ask the guy, hey, man,
Speaker 1: like where am I? What am I gonna do with him?
Speaker 1: What do I need him to do? Like a curse?
Speaker 1: And dan Quinn in his mind has that he knows
Speaker 1: exactly what that is and it's set in stone like yeah,
Speaker 1: like I know exactly what I could do with a
Speaker 1: guy like that. That's right, Yes, that's it, and that's
Speaker 1: that's the key to it. The NFL now is so uh,
Speaker 1: there's so many roles and different players on the way
Speaker 1: people do it. You have to match defenses, have to
Speaker 1: match offenses now. So you look at the skill set
Speaker 1: and what a guy can do. But it's not just
Speaker 1: doing the one thing because you don't want a guy
Speaker 1: they can do one thing, because the team will flip
Speaker 1: it around and put a guy in motion. Make it.
Speaker 1: You got to be able to do two things. You
Speaker 1: gotta be able to do the high level curse, for example,
Speaker 1: is able to cover tight ends. He's able to fit
Speaker 1: down in the box. He had the length and the
Speaker 1: physicality to be able to play in the box. There
Speaker 1: may be a guy who can cover tight ends but
Speaker 1: may not be big enough to fit in the box.
Speaker 1: So where does that fit within your defense and what
Speaker 1: you want to do. It's just so the NFL has
Speaker 1: becomes so role specific now and it's because you're taking
Speaker 1: players from a college environment that the college environment is
Speaker 1: starting to eke into the NFL. But it's still the
Speaker 1: NFL with a few wrinkles in it. But so you
Speaker 1: have to fit those pieces in right. We talked about
Speaker 1: the Pro Bow early today. So just a quick tip
Speaker 1: bit on that. What do you if you're a player
Speaker 1: is in the Pro Bowl? Do you want them to
Speaker 1: go out there and play harder than what you're watching
Speaker 1: On some tags, I'm saying, but it's the risk worth
Speaker 1: the reward in your mind it's not. But well, for me,
Speaker 1: you want them to go out and see him play
Speaker 1: football every time. You know, that's the old school in me.
Speaker 1: But there's also the reality of it, as those contracts
Speaker 1: are not guaranteed. There's there's different mindset that go into
Speaker 1: do I make that decision to hit somebody when it
Speaker 1: doesn't really count, right, That's the tough part about it.
Speaker 1: Like my ac jone was hurting two weeks ago. I've
Speaker 1: been on the couch. Now you want me to go
Speaker 1: ahead and hit this dude? Because I do it. I'm
Speaker 1: watching the game and I'm like, I understand. I'm just
Speaker 1: happy y'all went out there and gave the gay the
Speaker 1: fans something to actually watching. Some of the fans are
Speaker 1: watching like what, and I'm like, yeah, but that's just
Speaker 1: like the NBA off starting. Okay, what do you want
Speaker 1: to do? You want to see scoring? You know, have fun.
Speaker 1: Let's see, it's the reward of the game. We don't
Speaker 1: want to see our players that were counting on the
Speaker 1: next year get hurt, you know, and not be able
Speaker 1: to help our team. But you know that you're gonna
Speaker 1: go out there and as a football player, old school style,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, anytime I strip up, I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: my best. Yeah, it's it's a little bit different to
Speaker 1: your quarterback out there on the offensive line. He might not. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I got a little I got a little two
Speaker 1: part of for you here. Two part of part one. UM,
Speaker 1: you know, how impressed were you with Dan Quinn and
Speaker 1: you know his ability to basically turn this defense around
Speaker 1: and have them taking football away almost as good as
Speaker 1: anybody in the National Football League. And then my second
Speaker 1: part kind of a fun question, is this the best
Speaker 1: defensive line that you've seen here? Because we've been a
Speaker 1: part of some good ones with d Ware, you know,
Speaker 1: Hatch and you know rat Living all them guys, is
Speaker 1: this one of the best defensive lines you've been a
Speaker 1: part of? UM well number one in regards to Dan
Speaker 1: and the defensive staff putting it together. I mean, when
Speaker 1: we play football, we all want something to believe in.
Speaker 1: UM you know, and so if I have a coach
Speaker 1: that shows me that I can be better, how he
Speaker 1: can make me better. There's a unique way that you know,
Speaker 1: this season was a unique way to bring all that together.
Speaker 1: You have players that kind of felt that vibe and
Speaker 1: they were all working together and hopefully you can build
Speaker 1: on that. That's the uniqueness of Dan. He can make
Speaker 1: you feel like and and and understand where you're coming from,
Speaker 1: your strengths and your weaknesses and be able to communicate
Speaker 1: that with you. And that's a unique skill set in
Speaker 1: today's day and age when everybody's being paid, you know,
Speaker 1: in college and hey, how do I you know, how
Speaker 1: do I reach this dude to uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: think Dan and might do a great job, but that
Speaker 1: we're trying to understand guys so understand how to motivate
Speaker 1: them and get them to play. As far as the
Speaker 1: D line, I think we're building that. It's nothing compared
Speaker 1: to you know, some of those lines we had when
Speaker 1: you had hat left Ratcher, you know Ratft Hatcher spears
Speaker 1: that gold uh you know, spent you all those guys.
Speaker 1: That was a unique Now these are young guys, dudes
Speaker 1: that are coming. Um, I think that there are some elements,
Speaker 1: but it's hard to say which one was better because
Speaker 1: I know and there were some guys now, yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you was on the tea with them to do
Speaker 1: so when they when they call you and ask you,
Speaker 1: why would you make that? That was not a day
Speaker 1: MC great question. Okay, I just saw d where the
Speaker 1: other day. All right, hall of Fame guy. I did not.
Speaker 1: That is not my question. But so oh yeah, so
Speaker 1: I want to ask about my guy, Okay, my guy Wilona.
Speaker 1: Do we else? Okay? Because going into last year, I
Speaker 1: think it was last year, right, Blake Jarwin ends up
Speaker 1: getting hurt at the beginning and then shots comes in.
Speaker 1: He has a to us, from our perspective, had a
Speaker 1: rough game just because he had to step in. We
Speaker 1: thought the lights were a little brightening. We were down
Speaker 1: on him, Yeah I was. I was. And then you
Speaker 1: see what he's been able to do at the end
Speaker 1: of last year and then all of this year becoming
Speaker 1: one of those those those staples for Dak Prescott. Right.
Speaker 1: And then I think a lot of times the tight
Speaker 1: end coaches, they get overlooked for being able to coach
Speaker 1: a guy to be that good. Right, so they might
Speaker 1: he might have the skill set already, but what he
Speaker 1: saw from Dalton Shoultz was you started saying, all right,
Speaker 1: what that better find Schultz when you got a guy
Speaker 1: like Coop, when you got a guy like Ceedee Lamb,
Speaker 1: and then Shultz is still able to make that type
Speaker 1: of noise within that offensive scheme by man Luda Wells. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no question, it's coach Wells. There's a standard that he
Speaker 1: has in a room and he's gonna hold everybody accountable
Speaker 1: to it. But then he has a way again of
Speaker 1: making guys better. Everybody that's in that room, they're pros,
Speaker 1: they're at the top of the game, but they always
Speaker 1: want to get better. So he finds little ways to
Speaker 1: make guys better to drive and to make them, you know,
Speaker 1: achieve their stealing. He's gonna challenge them in a way.
Speaker 1: And you got to be in that room, and it's
Speaker 1: got to be in you. And that's the thing about
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz is he was in the room with Jason Witten. First.
Speaker 1: He learned how to be a pro from witness and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of little witness ms in him, you know,
Speaker 1: and how he attacks the position and how he runs
Speaker 1: his room and all that but then it's coach Wells
Speaker 1: holding them accountable, teaching him he can get to a
Speaker 1: higher level. When a guy can get to a level
Speaker 1: next level, I'm gonna believe in you. I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: the young guys on your side too because of what
Speaker 1: you've done for me. And that's what Wales has done
Speaker 1: and understanding the offensive line being an offensive line coach
Speaker 1: and then learning the passing game. He's bringing an element
Speaker 1: to tight ends that's different than maybe they've received before. Two. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think I had a little bit of LSU so
Speaker 1: me and yeah at loading is my guy, man, Just
Speaker 1: just to see him be able to because I think
Speaker 1: when he was in he went to New York right
Speaker 1: for a minute, and he was maybe like a GA
Speaker 1: or something. He was, he was a line coach, he
Speaker 1: had done some line coach and uh so I've seen
Speaker 1: him and then now just to be able to see
Speaker 1: that's true. Man. He just went from what I'm but
Speaker 1: I remember him being an LSU to what he is
Speaker 1: now and the way he's able to affect these players
Speaker 1: because I'm here. When he was an intern, yeah I
Speaker 1: was yeah, so it was intern here. Yeah he was okay,
Speaker 1: And that was when I first. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: we was kind of coming up together at that time.
Speaker 1: I got one more for you on my side. How
Speaker 1: how impressed were you because I know I was certainly
Speaker 1: impressed with the jump that Terrence Steele was able to
Speaker 1: make from year one to year two, you know, being
Speaker 1: that swing guy, being all over the offensive line. It
Speaker 1: seemed to me like he was able to hold his
Speaker 1: own for the most part. This season. He struggled a
Speaker 1: little bit from here to here, but he's a growing player,
Speaker 1: a young player. He has time to develop. How long
Speaker 1: press were you with his playoffs so far as season
Speaker 1: or if this season? I mean, he did an incredible
Speaker 1: job coming back after he played his rookie year, played
Speaker 1: a lot of snaps his rookie year. He came back stronger,
Speaker 1: he came back more determined, And that's the unique part
Speaker 1: about him. He played both sides, and yeah, it's not ideal,
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, there's not enough
Speaker 1: quality offensive lineman to go around thirty two NFL teams.
Speaker 1: People make mistakes drafting guys in the first round in
Speaker 1: the second round and don't get the level of performance
Speaker 1: that we got from Steel. So that's exciting because just
Speaker 1: who the young man is like, he's determined, he got
Speaker 1: a little nasty with him. He's long, he's athletic, and
Speaker 1: he got stronger, and he doesn't say a word. He's
Speaker 1: got that offensive line mentality, and he's got a great
Speaker 1: veteran group to learn from. When you Tyrn Smith and
Speaker 1: Zach Martin and LC, you understand what it takes to
Speaker 1: be a pro and then you got to take it
Speaker 1: upon yourself as a young man, which he did to
Speaker 1: come in his weight room and get stronger and do
Speaker 1: all the things and took to play at a high level.
Speaker 1: And I think he's going to be a surprising player
Speaker 1: for US, young player for us as we continue to
Speaker 1: go forward. I was converted. I mean last year I
Speaker 1: was bound on still and I was like, oh man,
Speaker 1: you know, I hope I hope it right because if
Speaker 1: confidence goes away all of a sudden, when you start
Speaker 1: struggling like that, we've all been through it. And then
Speaker 1: this year, just to see him, to know what he
Speaker 1: had to go through in order to get as good
Speaker 1: as he was this year, Like people don't understand that, bro,
Speaker 1: that's that's a year of it. And then you also
Speaker 1: have to you have to be vulnerable enough to put
Speaker 1: yourself back out there and say, listen, I still might
Speaker 1: get beat right, but I'm gonna trust the work that
Speaker 1: I did in the off season competitive and it's gonna work.
Speaker 1: That's the dogs that we're trying to find when we
Speaker 1: started to deal. I mean, it's guys like y'all. As
Speaker 1: you continue to grow. People might have ability, but you
Speaker 1: got to find out what's on the inside. You're not
Speaker 1: gonna know what's on the inside until you get to
Speaker 1: experience it with them. You know, you get to find out.
Speaker 1: You get to put him in the trenches. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: You get some guys drafted. I love this time of
Speaker 1: year because you got all these big draft boards and
Speaker 1: people they don't know anything about that person. We're trying
Speaker 1: to figure out about that person and see if they
Speaker 1: got the charent steal or they got the Micah Parsons
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, and where the Danny McCray or
Speaker 1: the buried church. That's the stuff that we're looking for
Speaker 1: that makes a difference. There's Drake. There's Drake hal there.
Speaker 1: Because I know you don't like to listen to Drake,
Speaker 1: do you like? No, I'm not I got that Drake
Speaker 1: jay Z. You know he's talking about, you know, coming
Speaker 1: from the struggle and how not lollypops. I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's a little way. Okay, so so so so so
Speaker 1: so we dow versus and we dow versus. I'm jay
Speaker 1: Z over Little Wayne, but he might not, okay, because
Speaker 1: you cannot use the mixtapes and all that stuff your albums.
Speaker 1: Because what I said is when Little Wayne drops his mixtapes,
Speaker 1: he goes off other people's beats, and he also kind
Speaker 1: of steals a little part of what they were talking
Speaker 1: about in the song You're Taking the Man Strings strange
Speaker 1: a mixtape. You know some people you know got out
Speaker 1: of school, but I played your ride these get the grees. Yes,
Speaker 1: all right, well we're gonna We're gonna let you slide about,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, And you know I'm a fifty
Speaker 1: five year old hip hop head. I will you know, ride,
Speaker 1: ride or die with it? Um, Scarface the best in business?
Speaker 1: Like you heard it here, man, I canna argue listen
Speaker 1: because I'm from Houston, So you know, we it's a
Speaker 1: thing like you like Wiz and you like we believe
Speaker 1: that Scarface is the guy. Real quick subject quick, real quick,
Speaker 1: Burrow or Herbert, Oh Burrow, I mean that's why. And
Speaker 1: here he got that dog, that arterback position that leads
Speaker 1: the whole thing. People want to follow Herbert because of
Speaker 1: his talent, and he's establishing that. Burrow came in a dog,
Speaker 1: got the dogs to follow him. And now look where
Speaker 1: they are in a place that you you wouldn't expect
Speaker 1: the Bengals to be because they don't do that, and
Speaker 1: they've also been lucky. But he's got that dog. Sat
Speaker 1: you get sack nine times, don't don't you don't blink
Speaker 1: the flinch and your team is they got your back.
Speaker 1: Because we're not gonna say that they win specifically just
Speaker 1: because Joe Burrow, but the defense is playing harder because
Speaker 1: of Joe Burrows. There is a that Prescott effect to
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, when you get people to believe in you
Speaker 1: no matter what, they're gonna ride with you. And that's
Speaker 1: what he's done. Yes, he's just phone right, Herbert. Her
Speaker 1: is extremely talented. He's extremely talented. When he came out,
Speaker 1: that was the one thing it was like, hey, where
Speaker 1: where is that at? And you see more of it
Speaker 1: than we saw in college. But Burrow, somehow, some way
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Speaker 1: New y'all here. That's because the Herbert got damn Will
Speaker 1: to Herbie. I'm joined by the ultimate surmraper, Danny mccraige.
Speaker 1: But Will's words definitely put a dagger and put a
Speaker 1: dagger in my Herbert argument over Borrow, because I mean,
Speaker 1: the guy's been scotting twenty five thirty years now, so man,
Speaker 1: that that hurt me right. Okay, you can watch Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow on Sunday on all the TV screens, whatever you
Speaker 1: want to buy, you watching, you just watching win Super
Speaker 1: Bowl MVP, and then I don't want to hear nothing
Speaker 1: about this year. What he would have the same number
Speaker 1: of Super Bowls? Is the great Aaron Rodgers tell you
Speaker 1: just tell anyways. Anyways, I ain't want to bring this
Speaker 1: up while we had Will over here breaking things down
Speaker 1: for us. But I gotta get to the question. I
Speaker 1: gotta ask you the question. I'm gonna put my two
Speaker 1: cents in there as well, but I'm gonna go with you. First.
Speaker 1: Two guys that you know a lot of reports have
Speaker 1: been going around. Maybe here may not be here. Let's
Speaker 1: start with the guy on the offensive side of the football.
Speaker 1: And I think you know who I'm talking about. If
Speaker 1: you were ahead of all of this, if you're the
Speaker 1: guy can charge of bringing guys back, signing guys, all
Speaker 1: that good stuff, do your bring back number nineteen, Amari Cooper.
Speaker 1: I think I think the thought that we'll have to
Speaker 1: go into it is kind of something similar to what
Speaker 1: Will said right when we talked about Dan Quinn and
Speaker 1: you talked about bringing curse in and you said, Hey,
Speaker 1: I see this guy. This is what this guy's gonna do,
Speaker 1: this is what he can do, this is really good,
Speaker 1: and that's how we're gonna use them. These are the
Speaker 1: same conversations that you don't have to have about a
Speaker 1: Mark Cooper and how you plan to use them. Okay,
Speaker 1: how we have been using him. I would not I
Speaker 1: wouldn't pay twenty meal for basically for what for last year?
Speaker 1: For last year, I would if we're gonna use them
Speaker 1: that way from what I saw on filming in the games,
Speaker 1: I would not pay twenty meal for. If you are
Speaker 1: going to make him the guy that guy, right, you're
Speaker 1: gonna find a way to always get him in one
Speaker 1: on ones, put him in the slot so so you
Speaker 1: can maximize his ability. If you're gonna do that, then
Speaker 1: absolutely I'll keep him. But but I feel the same
Speaker 1: way about Zeke, like if you're not going to use
Speaker 1: him to what for what? He's good at punishing dudes,
Speaker 1: so when you're wearing on them, so when they get
Speaker 1: to the end of the game, I was sudden those
Speaker 1: those three and four yard runs turn into twenty and
Speaker 1: you're just gonna use his pass blocking ability that I
Speaker 1: wouldn't pay him ninety million either, you know. But I
Speaker 1: but if you're gonna find a way to maximize these
Speaker 1: dudes ability and potential kind of kind of like a
Speaker 1: dance Brian is where I see a Mark Cooper not
Speaker 1: going up to get get the jump balls, but finding
Speaker 1: a way to get him in want to marget target
Speaker 1: wise right and not just not just the targets, right,
Speaker 1: because all of a sudden you see Mark Cooper get three,
Speaker 1: three four out routs and he got five targets in five. Kids.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about those big time ones like like DeAndre Hopkins,
Speaker 1: DeVante Adams, that type of stuff. If you're gonna use
Speaker 1: them that way, absolutely, If you're not, and you're just
Speaker 1: gonna draw stuff and try to get whoever is open,
Speaker 1: they it doesn't really make much sense. So if you're
Speaker 1: going to buy that way, if you know, if he
Speaker 1: like you said, if you want to buy that last
Speaker 1: part where you're just drawing stuff up, his price tag
Speaker 1: is too high at that point. You gotta you gotta
Speaker 1: kind of let them rattle that one because you're not
Speaker 1: using them, like you said, Like like a Devontae Adams
Speaker 1: type where we know defenses know going into into Green
Speaker 1: Bay or when they play against green Bay, Devontae Adams
Speaker 1: is that guy. But the Green Bay Packers know that
Speaker 1: as well, that defense is going to kill on them.
Speaker 1: But they find ways to either put them in bunches,
Speaker 1: put them in motion, find some type of way three
Speaker 1: by one set let him be the single receiver. On
Speaker 1: that other side, they find ways to get him the
Speaker 1: football and he's able to prove or dividends for their offense.
Speaker 1: But we just don't see that here with you know,
Speaker 1: Amark Cooper. I don't know if it's you know, the
Speaker 1: coaching staff don't. They don't see him as that you know,
Speaker 1: number one bona five receiver or what the case may be.
Speaker 1: But they're not giving him though. They're not featuring him,
Speaker 1: you know, like a DeVante Adams, like a DeAndre Hopkins,
Speaker 1: like somebody along those lines. And I think he has
Speaker 1: the skill set and I think he is, you know,
Speaker 1: of the caliber player of those guys, and he can
Speaker 1: be one of those guys, but he just doesn't get
Speaker 1: the opportunities as far as big plays, like like you said,
Speaker 1: we'll see him on a couple of hit trouts here
Speaker 1: and there, a couple of slams. He might get an
Speaker 1: eight yard game here and there, but they're not drawing
Speaker 1: up plays for him to be that focal point of
Speaker 1: the offense. And I think you're right if if he's
Speaker 1: coming back on a twenty million dollars, you know, price tag,
Speaker 1: then you gotta feature the guy. And if you don't,
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of a waste of money. The
Speaker 1: only thing that kind of I kind of fear or
Speaker 1: push back on is if we let Amark Cooper go,
Speaker 1: we let him walk, you know, what is that receivering
Speaker 1: corps gonna look like? What is this? Because because as
Speaker 1: much as I like Ceede Lamb, he's a pro Bowl player,
Speaker 1: young emerging receiver, I don't know if he can hold
Speaker 1: his own, you know, bayself out there. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he can be the focal point of the offense.
Speaker 1: Defense is putting all their coverage on Ceedee Lamb. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's that guy just yet. So if
Speaker 1: you take Amara Cooper out, does that hinder your offense
Speaker 1: that much? I don't know. That's the only thing that
Speaker 1: scares me. I'll say that if you let him go,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to find you, you know, you fifteen
Speaker 1: sixteen million dollars guy that you could bring in. But
Speaker 1: like I said, if you're just drawing up the roster,
Speaker 1: get guys open, then you just need a guy who's
Speaker 1: able to know offenses and know how to run it.
Speaker 1: You know, if it's his zone, make sure you sit down,
Speaker 1: if his man, make sure you keep running. You that
Speaker 1: you just need a guy who's technically sound right if
Speaker 1: you're gonna pay twenty million dollars. But guy, that has
Speaker 1: to be a guy who when all techniques and all
Speaker 1: that stuff is out the window. It's man, I'm going
Speaker 1: to beat you. I'm going to put you in position,
Speaker 1: and we can keep looking dudes. In the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase goes first round, third and twenty three, thirty
Speaker 1: twenty seven him, Hey, man, and it ain't about drawing
Speaker 1: up who's hey, Jamar chases one on one. All right,
Speaker 1: that's what we throw on the ball to backshow to
Speaker 1: faith and if we lose it, we're gonna lose it
Speaker 1: knowing that we went to our number one guy. Like
Speaker 1: la situation. You know, they're getting a zero blitz. Cooper
Speaker 1: Cup ain't even a part of the central He's just
Speaker 1: a clear out route. Stafford Jos's back. Hey, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: throw this up to my guy. And what happens? They
Speaker 1: get the rod. You know, they beat Tampa Bay. They
Speaker 1: go on to beat up who they beating in the
Speaker 1: NFC Championship game. San fran ended up beating San Franz
Speaker 1: and not they're in the Super Bowl, but they feature
Speaker 1: they highlight their main guys and you know, that's just
Speaker 1: something if we see it, if we are just sitting
Speaker 1: here in the podcast studio, we watch practice, we watch
Speaker 1: the games, if we can see that, I know these
Speaker 1: coaches have got to be able to do it. So
Speaker 1: I'm kind of leaning towards their kind of overthinking it
Speaker 1: or trying to be too perfect or too cute. Oh,
Speaker 1: if we draw this up like this, the defenses will
Speaker 1: focus up on it and no, get him. There's no
Speaker 1: way that's playing to work. Sometimes you just gotta be like, look, man,
Speaker 1: our guy is better than your guy, or our guys
Speaker 1: better than the guys that are double covering him worst
Speaker 1: feeding the ball. Sometimes they just gotta be like that,
Speaker 1: give the man a chance to make the play. These
Speaker 1: dudes want to go out here and show that they
Speaker 1: are worth that price to ye. And it's and it
Speaker 1: gets to the point where it's unfair that we have
Speaker 1: we coming. We have to say, I don't know we
Speaker 1: should pay the dude, and I don't believe it's his fault.
Speaker 1: I really don't believe it's his fault. I'm I'm of
Speaker 1: the mindset of like, allow him to show that he
Speaker 1: can't and then you can say he's not worth it.
Speaker 1: But I don't feel like he's getting those opportunities. Same
Speaker 1: with Ze same ceedee Land was the first round pick.
Speaker 1: But I still don't think that they are utilizing his
Speaker 1: his his skill set the correct way. You've seen him
Speaker 1: come out of the backfield one time. I think it
Speaker 1: was a big game, and we didn't see it again.
Speaker 1: Jet Sweet. He's a Jet sweet guy. This is the
Speaker 1: who you should been in the Jet Sweet. Amark Cooper
Speaker 1: should be running him every time his man coverage. He
Speaker 1: should be crossing the field in motion because what we
Speaker 1: know about the defender is when they get motion, you
Speaker 1: can't press because he's so you should And this is
Speaker 1: what they do with Defonte Adams. Every time Defronte Adams
Speaker 1: come across the field, the receiver gets off and you
Speaker 1: see him running out route, you see him running come back.
Speaker 1: You get to see him have that four route street
Speaker 1: because he's not getting pressed. So I think there's simple
Speaker 1: ways to get it done. I'm no offensive coordinator, but
Speaker 1: I just haven't seen that be done for a twenty
Speaker 1: million dollars guy. And then you look at Amark Cooper
Speaker 1: and he has the mind. I believe he has the
Speaker 1: mindset to where he wants to be one of those
Speaker 1: top receivers. I mean, we look in the off season
Speaker 1: of last year, he came in saying, you know, I
Speaker 1: believe I have the skill set to be a top
Speaker 1: three receiver or one of the top receivers International Football League.
Speaker 1: He came out halfway through the season, I'm not getting
Speaker 1: the ball enough. I can help this team win if
Speaker 1: you give me the ball. And we know his type
Speaker 1: of personality, he's not allowed. You know, he's kind of
Speaker 1: the opposite. You know, if dz Bran nothing against Daz.
Speaker 1: He was a passionate guy about about football and about
Speaker 1: getting the ball and helping his team win. Amark Cooper
Speaker 1: I think is just as passionate, just in a different way.
Speaker 1: He's not as vocal as a Daz Brand. But we
Speaker 1: had him midway through the season. I need to get
Speaker 1: the ball. I can help this offense win. So if
Speaker 1: we do decide to bring you know, Mark Cooper back
Speaker 1: for this offense, hopefully they feature him. Hopefully he's able
Speaker 1: to get those targets and get those passes that a
Speaker 1: lot of the top receivers have out there, and if
Speaker 1: he's able to do that, maybe he can turn it
Speaker 1: into one of the best seasons as a receiver. But
Speaker 1: if we just use him as you know, a scheme
Speaker 1: guy or you know, hey, he just draw some stuff up,
Speaker 1: he might be open there, he might not be open.
Speaker 1: Then twenty millions just too much for me. This this
Speaker 1: is why guys like Cedric Wilson and the orb around
Speaker 1: can get open because you just drawn up, just drawn
Speaker 1: up to play, and we gonna hit the guy that's open. Okay,
Speaker 1: they playing cover of three, so this is not gonna
Speaker 1: be open. So make sure you hit this dude. Nah manna, sir.
Speaker 1: The dude I want to beginning opens a mark upers
Speaker 1: so they running cover of three. The dude who is
Speaker 1: running running whatever route for the weakness of cover three whatever,
Speaker 1: trying to he is a mark up, is gonna be
Speaker 1: that guy. So yeah, I just yeah, but I think
Speaker 1: he has a skill set to do it. But it
Speaker 1: depends on how you are going to use use the guy.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, so we talked about the offensive and
Speaker 1: now I was going on the defensive side of the football.
Speaker 1: And another guy that you know, he's still under contract,
Speaker 1: but you know there's a lot of reports going around.
Speaker 1: Will he be here, will he not be here? And
Speaker 1: that's the Marcus Lawrence. Now we saw, you know, early
Speaker 1: on in his career, he had those two back to
Speaker 1: back seasons where I think he had eighteen or seventeen
Speaker 1: sacks on this franchise. Tags got the big deal. It's
Speaker 1: still a hell of a player, but we just haven't
Speaker 1: seen the numbers as much as you know back before
Speaker 1: he had gotten the contract. Now, a lot of that
Speaker 1: had to do his injuries. I mean, I know he
Speaker 1: was injured lash here this year. He had went through
Speaker 1: some things, missed eight games I believed to a broken foot.
Speaker 1: But when he came back, he was bawling. I mean,
Speaker 1: he had a couple of sacks, a lot of forced fumbles.
Speaker 1: He was just a terror out there as far as
Speaker 1: a defensive player. Now, his numbers might not indicate that
Speaker 1: he's not in the double digit sacks or anything like that,
Speaker 1: but the guy was distructive out there. Do you think
Speaker 1: he similar situation to Mark Cooper high price tag? Do
Speaker 1: you think he is warranted that high price tag and
Speaker 1: coming back? I think his is different than the Mark
Speaker 1: Cooper's because dan Quinn is a defensive coordinator and I
Speaker 1: think if if you had the Marcus Lawrence for the
Speaker 1: full season and he was healthy, I think you would
Speaker 1: have solved those type of numbers even if it wasn't
Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen sacks, you would have said that the offensive
Speaker 1: line they have to come up with a game plan
Speaker 1: to make sure that they know where where the Marcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence is. It Also, also the secondary is getting better
Speaker 1: and what we know, russe and cover worked together. Okay,
Speaker 1: if you got a secondary who's taking the ball away,
Speaker 1: they're given the D line that extra half a second
Speaker 1: to get to the quarterback, then the D line is
Speaker 1: going to to be more productive. They're gonna be able
Speaker 1: to get those sacks, get those those hands up so
Speaker 1: they can get some of those interceptions. And we saw
Speaker 1: that throughout the season without the Marcus Lawrence there. And
Speaker 1: we know the type of talent that the Marcus Lawrence is.
Speaker 1: So I'm saying give him a full year with with
Speaker 1: with DQ and AID and then see what happens, because
Speaker 1: I think if the dude is healthy, I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna get back to that form of like, hey man,
Speaker 1: this dude is a monster. He's he's a force to
Speaker 1: be reckoned with. Now he has I'm not sure sure
Speaker 1: the number on the price, but I know it's high. High.
Speaker 1: Russias are high. The franchise thing for it's up there.
Speaker 1: Hopefully they bring you know, if you can bring back
Speaker 1: both back, hopefully. But I leaned towards the Marcus Lawrence.
Speaker 1: I'd rather bring him back than in the Mark Coover,
Speaker 1: just because the simple fact that, like you said, the coordinators,
Speaker 1: then Quinn's gonna find a way to get de Marcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence productive out there, and if he's not out there
Speaker 1: putting up crazy numbers, he's at least opening things up
Speaker 1: for other people along the defensive line. The Galamore is
Speaker 1: the o Diggy zooas the Randy Gregory's to have one
Speaker 1: on ones out there. Parsons as well. He benefits off
Speaker 1: of the Marcus Lawrence being out there so he can
Speaker 1: have the one on one. So I'm definitely with bringing
Speaker 1: the Marcus Lawrence back, even though it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: high cap hit and at least letting him go out
Speaker 1: there improve he's worth that value rather than just saying
Speaker 1: all right, man, you know, thanks, thanks for your business,
Speaker 1: but it's trying to walk on so I wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to do that. So I'm in the business of keeping
Speaker 1: the Marcus Lawrence when it comes to Mary Cooper, I
Speaker 1: don't know kind of fifty fifty because I'm nervous or
Speaker 1: what that that wide receiver corps is gonna look out
Speaker 1: without him. But with that high cap number and him
Speaker 1: not getting the targets or the attempts or the or
Speaker 1: the catches that he needs to kind of fulfill that number,
Speaker 1: it's got me a little nervous. So I'm leaning towards
Speaker 1: d Law over over Mark Cooper on this one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: same here, same here. I'm with you, man, just you know,
Speaker 1: shout out and killing helping guys out, bro attempt to
Speaker 1: because because next week we have to have the same
Speaker 1: conversation about Zeke, Like it's gonna be there, right because
Speaker 1: now you've got TP, you got Zeke. You want to
Speaker 1: find out like what he still has left and all
Speaker 1: other stuff. And I don't think the conversation should even
Speaker 1: have to be had if you do the correct thing
Speaker 1: with the guy. All right, he's not an Alvakamar. That's
Speaker 1: not that's not it's not the type of guy that
Speaker 1: he is going to be. But we know his skill set,
Speaker 1: we know what he can do, and we and we
Speaker 1: saw it this season. We saw it this season when
Speaker 1: you gave him the opportunity, especially before he got hurt.
Speaker 1: And then you know, it just kind of feels it
Speaker 1: out like Mark Cooper makes the noise they gave him,
Speaker 1: gave me the ball, win game. It was a lot
Speaker 1: of out routes here here you go, all right, get out,
Speaker 1: get out of here. Let me throw the said. I'm
Speaker 1: going to say, my bad, should bad man. You approved
Speaker 1: me all the way wrong. But all right, man, it's
Speaker 1: it's eleven oh four. Our time has come to an
Speaker 1: end a lot longer than I thought we would. Go.
Speaker 1: Um shout out to Will McClay for definitely stopping by
Speaker 1: the Player's Lounge and giving us his two cents on
Speaker 1: on his role in the offseason and how he evaluate
Speaker 1: it's players. Once again, I'm your average box safety Barry
Speaker 1: Church brought here with my boy. I'm all over the place.
Speaker 1: You know, Oh, you're an apology or an apology because
Speaker 1: this is it's it's a little bang bang like it's
Speaker 1: a little harder than it looks. But I'm here with
Speaker 1: my boy, Danny mccraie, the ultimate survivor. This has been
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