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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: Chanel Arnold with us, an author, astrologer, and granddaughter of

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Speaker 2: eufologist and American aviator Kenneth Arno. He was the first

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Speaker 2: person in the twentieth century to report flying saucers and

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Speaker 2: coin the term. Chanell republished his historic book that he

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Speaker 2: wrote in nineteen fifty two, called The Coming of the

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Speaker 2: Saucers to honor her grandfather. Chanell, great job, welcome to

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Speaker 3: It's great to hear your voice again. George.

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Speaker 2: This is exciting. Yes, I would have loved to have

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Speaker 2: met your grandfather.

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Speaker 4: I know there's not very many people left that actually

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Speaker 4: got the chance to meet him.

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Speaker 2: He died at sixty eight, which is relatively young.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, nineteen eighty four, and he, you know, died

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Speaker 4: telling me it wasn't the right time for UFOs.

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Speaker 2: Was he your mother or father's father?

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Speaker 3: He is my mother's father, and I went through a

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Speaker 3: divorce and took on his last name just because I'm

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Speaker 3: a public speaker. On his behalf.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's great. And he wrote the book The Coming

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Speaker 2: of the saucage with Ray Palmer, who owned at that

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Speaker 2: time a science fiction magazine called Amazing Stories. And those

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Speaker 2: two got a long well, didn't they.

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Speaker 3: They did. They would communicate via records. They'd record records

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Speaker 3: and send each other records back and forth, because that

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Speaker 2: How much did you talk to your father grandfather about UFOs?

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Speaker 3: Not much.

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Speaker 4: I've learned more from my mom just growing up and

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Speaker 4: hearing stories. And he lived quite the exciting life after

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Speaker 4: his signing in nineteen forty seven. He was quite the

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Speaker 4: busy man, you know, investigating other sightings and you know,

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Speaker 4: his friends kept seeing flying soff there's everyone around and

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Speaker 4: was seeing flying saucers. It all started in the summer

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Speaker 4: saucers nineteen forty seven.

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Speaker 2: And that's when we had the roswelld crash in July.

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Speaker 2: It's got to be from the same source.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: He thought that there was a connection with the Adam

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Speaker 4: Baums just being released on hi Shima and Nagasaki two

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Speaker 4: years before in nineteen forty five, and the Cold War

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Speaker 4: had just started in March of nineteen forty seven, so

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Speaker 4: his initial thought to report the flying saucers were he

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Speaker 4: thought they were Russian aircraft that were, you know, top

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Speaker 4: secret that no one knew of, and it was his

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Speaker 4: patriotic duty to report what he saw.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about the sighting of the nine flying saucers

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Speaker 2: over Mount Rainier.

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Speaker 5: What do you know?

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Speaker 3: My grandfather was a businessman.

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Speaker 4: He sold fire safety equipment remotely to people in remote areas,

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Speaker 4: and he also flew prisoners back and forth for the

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Speaker 4: state of Idaho. Very respected man. He was thirty two

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Speaker 4: years old and he was leaving Shahalis, Washington from a

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Speaker 4: business trip and there was a reward it found a

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Speaker 4: C forty six military marine transport plane that had crashed

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Speaker 4: into the side of Mount Rainier on June twenty fourth,

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Speaker 4: nineteen forty seven. It was a beautiful clear day and

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Speaker 4: he thought it'd be a great day to fly around

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Speaker 4: to see if he could spot it, because five thousand

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Speaker 4: dollars was a big reward back then. It was about

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Speaker 4: three pm and he was getting bright lights of like

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Speaker 4: as bright as an arc light, flashing into his cockpit,

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Speaker 4: and he looked and saw nine objects flying at a

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Speaker 4: high rate of speed in between Mount Adams and Mount Rainier.

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Speaker 4: He clocked them and they were flying so fast that

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Speaker 4: he did you know, and pilots probably couldn't even do

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Speaker 4: it anymore. With his own math and by hand, he

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Speaker 4: clocked them going about twelve hundred miles per hour between

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Speaker 4: Mount Adams and Mount Rainier's points. And they're also flying

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Speaker 4: an echelon formation four in front, five in the back,

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Speaker 4: almost like the way geese fly. The one thing is

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Speaker 4: they were kind of pulsating, almost like a beating heart,

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Speaker 4: and that really, you know, captivated his attention as well.

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Speaker 3: He only saw him.

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Speaker 4: For about three minutes as they disappeared near Mineral, Washington,

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Speaker 4: and he was just so so in awe by what

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Speaker 4: what he saw. He thought he'd seen like Russian aircraft

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Speaker 2: Was he in shock when he saw them.

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Speaker 4: He just thought that they were you know, top secret

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Speaker 4: in his life. And one thing about him is they

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Speaker 3: Missiles, but.

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Speaker 4: Nothing had nothing back then flew seventeen hundred miles per

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Speaker 2: Oh exciting. I mean, he truly was remarkable. Was he

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Speaker 3: He definitely was.

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Speaker 4: And his mail was gone through by a couple of

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Speaker 4: military officials. The Air Force was created that year, in

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Speaker 4: nineteen forty seven, and he got to know Lieutenant Brown

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Speaker 4: and Captain Davison, and they were really concerned about some

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Speaker 4: of the male he had gotten because he was famous

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Speaker 4: overnight from like religious organizations because they thought he was

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Speaker 4: the profit of the end of the world. It was

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Speaker 4: so shocking. And you know, he also got into like

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Speaker 4: the books that Charles Fort. Charles Fort kept track of

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Speaker 4: odd signings people have in newspaper clippings that he had

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Speaker 4: put together in a book, and he just he thought that,

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Speaker 4: you know, the he was thirty two years old when

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Speaker 4: this signing happened in his life, and in the military

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Speaker 4: marine transport plane he was looking for had thirty two

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Speaker 4: people that had died in the crash, and he thought

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Speaker 4: that there was a synchronicity about that he was thirty

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Speaker 4: two years old and the military marine transport plane had

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Speaker 4: thirty two people that had died in it. And then

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Speaker 4: they discovered the crash exactly a month after signing on

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Speaker 4: the twenty fourth of July, and then they had the

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Speaker 4: the memorial for the Marines that died on the twenty

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Speaker 4: fourth of August, and he thought that was where it

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Speaker 4: was exactly a month apart both.

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Speaker 3: You know, each time.

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Speaker 4: He also, you know, carried a synchronicity card of like

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Speaker 4: the with President.

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Speaker 3: Kennedy and President Lincoln. They had a lot of.

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Speaker 4: You know, synchronicities with them as well. One had a

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Speaker 4: And you know, he was he thought that synchronicities in life,

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Speaker 4: you know, were were patterns that needed to be recognized.

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Speaker 2: Is that a picture of your grandfather on the cover

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Speaker 2: of The Coming of the Saucers?

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Speaker 3: It is. It's the one that I republished.

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Speaker 4: It has a picture of my grandfather holding his camera,

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Speaker 4: which he often did looking up in the sky for answers.

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Speaker 4: In his lifetime, he spent thirty thousand dollars of his

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Speaker 4: and you know, it was really interesting. But then he

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Speaker 4: the summer that this happened, he went and investigated Maury

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Speaker 4: saucers after him.

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Speaker 3: Captain E. J.

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Speaker 4: Smith was going to be there as well, with Lieutenant

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Speaker 4: Brown and Captain Davidson, and they were all to meet

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Speaker 4: and Tacoma, Washington to investigate the Maury Island incident that

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Speaker 4: happened on the twenty fourth, twenty first of June. There

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Speaker 3: They were on a boat and.

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Speaker 4: Supposedly this flying saucer had fallen from the sky, killing

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Speaker 4: actual pieces supposedly have a flying saucer. And after these

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Speaker 4: two military men had gone through my grandfather's mail, they

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Speaker 4: I have definitely, you know, have my military friends meet

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Speaker 4: he found the windthro Ap Hotel and he called and

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Speaker 4: they already had a reservation for him, and he thought

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Speaker 4: that was really strange. There was nowhere in Tacoma to

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Speaker 4: he ended up going there, and he felt like the

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Speaker 3: But you know, anyhow, they ended up all meeting.

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Speaker 4: Together in that hotel room with these fragments of this

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Speaker 3: Their plane ended up.

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Speaker 4: Crashing with the parts of the flying saucer on it

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Speaker 3: And my grandfather was so frightened that he.

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Speaker 4: Wanted out, you know, was just scared by the whole situation.

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Speaker 4: And as he was flying to leave Tacoma, somebody had

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Speaker 3: The Air Force was created in nineteen forty seven, so.

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Speaker 4: You know, he felt like it was his fault that

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Speaker 4: And anyhow, he after all this, he was going to

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Speaker 3: And his friend Dave Johnson.

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Speaker 4: From the The Ido Statesman, he was an aviation editor.

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Speaker 4: He is a good friend of my grandfather's and he

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Speaker 4: walk away from his car and he's like, you know,

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Speaker 4: your car's bug. Can you need to stop being so

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Speaker 4: public with your, uh, yours speakings of these flying saucers?

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Speaker 4: Because my brother's a military man and he's seen the military.

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Speaker 3: And then and then and then.

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Speaker 4: Excuse me, and kill their own men for you know,

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Speaker 4: for what they know, and and being public and you

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Speaker 4: just really can't talk about what you're you know, have

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Speaker 4: You just have to start being silent. So like after that,

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Speaker 4: he kind of stopped being so public with his speaking engagements.

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Speaker 3: But he did run for.

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Speaker 5: Governor of Idaho, and you know, he got to meet

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Speaker 5: President Eisenhower, and he you know, he got to meet

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Speaker 5: a lot of military officials that he was friends with,

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Speaker 5: and he just felt like it was his.

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Speaker 4: Duty to find out what the real reason these flying

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Speaker 4: Ray Palmer in the same way they believed in the

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Speaker 4: Waspy Bible. And one of his favorite quotes in the

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Speaker 4: a man so great as an unbeliever. But the Waspy

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Speaker 4: And they talked about flying craft in the Waspy Bible,

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Speaker 4: they even say now that like the Book of Enoch

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Speaker 4: in the Bible talked about you know, flying saucers and

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Speaker 4: and he didn't even know about that, but he connected

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Speaker 4: with a wasp by Bible a lot. But him and

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Speaker 4: beliefs of the Darro that there are these people that

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Speaker 4: And Ray Palmer thought he had this conclusion that the

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Speaker 4: flying saucers were the spirits of the dead, and that

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Speaker 4: was a dangerous theory.

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Speaker 2: There were all kinds of theories going on, but your

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Speaker 2: grandfather stuck with the UFO theory. And he had a

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Speaker 2: lot of support, didn't he.

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Speaker 4: Oh, he did his friends, everybody he knew, we're seeing

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Speaker 4: flying saucers after him, they just they didn't know how

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Speaker 4: to stop it. But you know, he he was offered

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Speaker 4: fifty thousand dollars from Double Day Books in the sixties

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Speaker 4: to do a fictional story of his sighting, and he

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Speaker 4: just wouldn't do it. He just wanted it to be

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Speaker 4: things were so extraordinary and and he was an eagle.

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Speaker 3: Scout, you know, he grew up, he loved his country.

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Speaker 4: You know, he thought it was patriarchic, patriotic duty to

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Speaker 4: report what he saw, and you know, and then he

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Speaker 4: did it because there were so many unbelievers, you know,

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Speaker 4: And now, I mean, look at it now. I was

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Speaker 4: part of moof on this year. I'm really trying to

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Speaker 4: Earl Gray he passed away, but he got me to

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Speaker 4: be part of the moof on in Dallas, and this

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Speaker 4: year I was also part of that too. But this

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Speaker 4: year I met this guy named Alan Steinfeld, and I know, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Knew Lyndha Moulton how she met my grandfather when she

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Speaker 4: and I guess that she was from u Boise, Idaho,

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Speaker 4: And so I got to talk to her on the phone.

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Speaker 4: Boise Now I live in Oregon, but anyhow, yeah, just

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Speaker 4: it's just crazy because she met my grandfather when she

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Speaker 4: I thought that was pretty cool, just like small world.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I have admired her.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I grew up in eupology watching all the

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Speaker 4: just my grandfather with his beliefs.

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Speaker 3: I had my own beliefs.

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Speaker 4: Like you know, he believed they are the connection between

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Speaker 4: the living and the dead. And I believe that you know,

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Speaker 4: these uh, they're always seen near volcanoes, and I just

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Speaker 4: I believe that volcanoes are some sort of pearls into

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Speaker 4: other dimensions. And that's why you see him flying like

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Speaker 4: out of Mount Shasta. I hear reports of like people

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Speaker 2: What did you rather think of the extra terrestrial theory?

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Speaker 3: He didn't believe in that.

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Speaker 4: He just he believed that they were just internet dimensional

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Speaker 4: and they were coming from the dimension we go to

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Speaker 4: from when we when we die.

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Speaker 3: They were coming from the that dimension.

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Speaker 4: Is that the fifth dimension, because like we're in the

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Speaker 4: third dimension, I think is the dimension we're in now.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, he believed that they they held the key.

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Speaker 4: Key's the reason why we're here, you know, the connection

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