1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Manky. Listener discretion is advised. Early 3 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: in the morning of December twentieth, nineteen sixty four, flames 4 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: blazed against the darkened sky, erupting from a fire in 5 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: a home in Palmyra, New York. The house burned so 6 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: intensely that the city's fire chief told a contemporary newspaper, 7 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: when we got there, the flames were shooting into the 8 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: middle of the street. It took seventy five firefighters from 9 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: four towns over three hours to quell the blaze. When 10 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: the smoke cleared, they recovered the bodies of twenty six 11 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: year old ruth Anna Breden and her six children, Marion 12 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: Eddie Edward age eight, Dennis Wayne aged six, Susan Pauline 13 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: age five, Mitchell Eugene age four, or Sharon Faith age three, 14 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: and Samuel David age two. Eddie and Samuel's bodies were 15 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: found under a mattress, their bodies so dehydrated from the 16 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: intense flames that rescuers reportedly mistook the corpses for dolls. 17 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: Ruth Anna and her other four children had died together, 18 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 1: the woman having attempted to shield the children from the flames. 19 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: The fire had so completely destroyed the building that the 20 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: family was all found in the basement, the floor having 21 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: collapsed in on itself. While the charred remains of the 22 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: house were torn down, the basement and foundation remained intact. Today. 23 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: The site of what has been described as the worst 24 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: fire tragedy in Wayne County's history is the site of 25 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: the Palmyra Historical Museum. Once a tavern and inn, the 26 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: museum was moved to the foundation of the Breeden House 27 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: as part of a historic district called the Historic Palmyra 28 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: Museum's District, and as you might guess from its tragic past, 29 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: the location is haunted with so much activity, including doors slamming, 30 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: mysterious footsteps, and disembodied voices, that the museum's director describes 31 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: it as the most haunted place in the Finger Lakes. 32 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: I'm Amy Bruney, and welcome to Haunted Road. A colonial 33 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: town in upstate New York of about eight thousand people, 34 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: Paulmyro was named for the ancient Syrian city of the 35 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: same name in seventeen ninety seven. Its location on the 36 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: Erie Canal, which was completed in eighteen twenty five, created 37 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: a prosperous environment for locals. Paulmyro is sometimes called the 38 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: Queen of the Canal Towns, but its biggest claim to 39 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: fame is very different than waterway based commerce. The town 40 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: is the birthplace of Joseph Smith, founder of Mormonism, who 41 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: was born on a farm that straddled Palmyra and the 42 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: adjoining town of Manchester. It's where Smith claimed to have 43 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: received the golden tablets that became the Book of Mormon 44 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: from an angel, and it's where the first Book of 45 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: Mormon was printed in eighteen twenty nine and eighteen thirty 46 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: Beginning in nineteen thirty seven, the Church of Jesus Christ 47 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: of Latter day Saints hosted the hill Camorra Pageant in 48 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: Palmyra each July. This play, which depicted events from the 49 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: Book of Mormon and the church's history, took place near 50 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: the location where Joseph Smith was said to have been 51 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: visited by the angel. The pageant's final year was in 52 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, after the church announced an end to most 53 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: of their long running shows. One last pageant was planned 54 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty, but was postponed due to COVID and 55 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: eventually canceled altogether. Today, The town's biggest tourist draw is 56 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: the Historic Palmyra District, a group of five museums on 57 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: a preserved city block of Market Street, comprised of the 58 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: Palmyra Historical Museum, Erie Canal Depot, Phelps General Store, a 59 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: print shop, and All In Coverlet Museum, which has America's 60 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: largest collection of hand woven coverlets. The Palmyra Historical Museum 61 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: in Phelps General Store are said to be haunted, although 62 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: some claim that unexplained footsteps and voices can be heard 63 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,119 Speaker 1: in the Erie Canal Depot and the print shop as well. 64 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: The Palmyra Historical Museum is housed in a building that 65 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: was formerly an inn in Tavern that dates back as 66 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: early as eighteen twenty six. In the late eighteen hundred zero, 67 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: owners added the front section of the building, which became 68 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: the restaurant's bar. During the years that it operated as 69 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: the Saint James Hotel in Riefenberg Saloon. It's said that 70 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: at least one murder by stabbing took place in the bar. 71 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy six, the building was moved from its 72 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: original location a block away on William Street to the 73 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: foundation that previously held up the breed In House. The 74 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: move save the historic building, which was slated for demolition, 75 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: but it in inherited a dark history with that relocation. 76 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: The tragedy that took the lives of seven Bredens was 77 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: never fully solved. In nineteen sixty four, local newspaper The 78 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: Democrat and Chronicle reported that the fire was ruled an 79 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: accidental fire of undetermined origin, but the circumstances of the 80 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: fire were mysterious, to say the least. To start. The 81 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: fire spread so quickly and burned so intensely that it 82 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: is suspected an accelerant was used. Neighbors said that they 83 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: attempted to get into the house and help the family, 84 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: only to be faced with a wall of flames when 85 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: they opened the door. The fire also destroyed the two 86 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: adjacent houses, leaving eleven people homeless, though no one in 87 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: those homes was harmed. And then there was Paul Breeden, 88 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: ruth Anna's husband and the father of their six children. 89 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: He was conveniently absent from the house at the time, 90 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: having returned home just an hour after the fire started 91 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: from a business trip in Chicago. As Patty Unvarick wrote 92 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: in Ghosts and Hauntings of the Finger Lakes, there are 93 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: people who say that he set the fire to free 94 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: himself of the burden of a large family. Others say 95 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: that he was so distraught over the news of his 96 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: family member's death that he had to be sedated, or 97 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: could it have been the overwhelming guilt over what he 98 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: had done. I personally read a letter Paul wrote regarding 99 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: the events of that night, and it is a bit suspicious. 100 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: Anna and her children were buried in a single casket 101 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: in a cemetery in Tennessee, where the Breedens were originally from. 102 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: When the new building was moved to that foundation, there 103 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: was still debris and ash from the fire in the basement, 104 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: which is still there to this day. Bonnie Hayes, the 105 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: Palmyra Museum's executive director, believes that at one point she 106 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: found a small bone in the rubble. Today, museum staff 107 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: still hangs stockings for the children at Christmas, and visitors 108 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: sometimes bring toys to fill them. The Palmyra Historical Museum, 109 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: a grand white building was a red dad door, has 110 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: twenty three rooms, each with a different theme and each 111 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: full to bursting with historic artifacts. The Military Room contains 112 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: uniforms and memorabilia from American wars. The Doctor's office features 113 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:18,239 Speaker 1: medical devices, including an electroshock machine. The morning room includes 114 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: a mannequin dressed in Civil War era morning dress who 115 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: is referred to by staff as Gloria. The Religion room 116 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: includes information on Palmyra's famous four churches, all built on 117 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: different corners of an intersection, as well as a mannequin 118 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: of Joseph Smith dressed in a costume from the hill 119 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: Camora pageant. Even the buildings hallways have historical pictures lining 120 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: the walls. Many believe that the hauntings in the building 121 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: are tied to these objects. Musical instruments are said to 122 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: play by themselves in the religious room. Security cameras in 123 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: the merchant room once picked up a picture being carefully 124 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: lifted off its hook and laid face up in the 125 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: front of the door, with no one nearby to explain 126 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: the move. In the d doctor's room, staff report encountering 127 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: a spirit called the dark Man, who is possibly attached 128 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: to the electroshock machine, which sometimes turns on by itself. 129 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: Some believe that in life, the dark Man was teased 130 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: for having physical deformities. One former employee, Kathy Woodlock, related 131 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: an experienced she believes was related to the dark Man 132 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: as Tammy Whitaker. Reported in The Daily Messenger. Upstairs in 133 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: the doctor's office, Woodlock recalled witnessing the possession of a 134 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: psychic medium. She said the medium went limp and then 135 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 1: her hands came up curled like claws. Then, Woodlock said, 136 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: the female medium began speaking in a man's voice, sharing 137 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: an eerie message. I'm going to get even with them. 138 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to fry their brains. One investigator believes that 139 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: the spirit of a crooked doctor who performed unnecessary procedures 140 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: is present in the room, who is also connected to 141 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: the electroshock equipment, but it's not clear whether this is 142 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: the same entity as the dark Man. He's said to 143 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: especially dislike women. According to Ghosts and Hauntings of the 144 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: Finger Lakes, if a person stands in the center of 145 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: the medical room with his hands stretched out, a tingling 146 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: feeling will run through it. The children's room at the museum, 147 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: which displays historical toys from different eras, is also said 148 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 1: to be haunted. Specifically, it's believed to be haunted by 149 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 1: the spirits of the six Breeden children. According to The 150 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: Daily Messenger, a tape recorder placed in the empty room 151 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: revealed forty five minutes of children at play, with the 152 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: sounds of toys moving and metal roller skates clanging, but 153 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: nothing in the room was out of place. It's said 154 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: that the children will open the door of a cabinet 155 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: where toys are kept, as well as moving around toys 156 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: that are on display. The spirits of the breed and 157 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: children are said to grab the hands and touch the 158 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: hair of visitors, and some say that they can sometimes 159 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: smell phantom smoke in the museum even though it was 160 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: never touched by that fire. When staff open up the 161 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: museum when it's been closed for the night or after 162 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: a weekend, they often report items being disturbed when no 163 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: one living was around to disturb them. As Bonnie Hayes, 164 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: the Palmyra Museum's former executive director, told The Daily Messenger, 165 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: a large framed picture of oj Garlock had come off 166 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: the wall where it had been securely hanging for the 167 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: past five years. The picture had dropped some five or 168 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: more feet, landed face down on the floor, but the 169 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: glass hadn't broken. The other museum in historic Palmyra that's 170 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 1: believed to be haunted is the Phelps General Store. Originally 171 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: constructed in eighteen twenty six, the building served as a 172 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: boarding house tavern bakery and grocery store. In eighteen sixty eight, 173 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: William Phelps purchased the building and remodeled it into a 174 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: general store. He and his family, wife Catherine, son Julius, 175 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: and daughter Mary Louise lived upstairs from the business. William 176 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: was prominent in the community, serving as village president in 177 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: eighteen seventy six, as well as stints as a police 178 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: justice justice obsessions, village treasurer, village trustee, and as a 179 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: member of the school board. When he retired around eighteen 180 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 1: ninety five, his son Julius took over the business. Julius, 181 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: his wife Mary Maimie Aldrich, and their daughter Sybil continued 182 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: to live in the building. The once prosperous family lost 183 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: its money during the Great Depression. The store operated until 184 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: July nineteen forty, when Julius closed it up one day 185 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: and never opened it again. Some believe that Julius was 186 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: frustrated by the number of customers who never paid their 187 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: tabs in addition to increasing taxes from the government. As 188 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: Tracy Murphy wrote in The Fingerlakes Times. Many have speculated 189 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: he was tired of the storekeeper's life or nervous about 190 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: the upcoming War. Whatever the reason, we know that the 191 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: family did not enter the store after that day, but 192 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: continued living upstairs. Because Julius locked the store one day 193 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: and never opened it again, the space became a time 194 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: capsule of life in nineteen forty. The Florida ceiling shelves 195 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: are still stocked with items left behind from the day 196 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: the store closed. Pre World War II versions of familiar 197 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: brands like Tide, Felvida, Armenhammer, Heinz Pickles, and Kellogg's Cornflakes 198 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: on the counter still. The museum's motto, fittingly is where 199 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: time stands Still. On the counter remains a ledger with 200 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: customers names and amounts they owed. Though the family never 201 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: re entered the store, they lived out their remaining years 202 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: in the two floors of living space above. Sybil Phelps, 203 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: Julius and Maymie's only child, had hoped to make it 204 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: as a musician or an actor, attending Rochester's eastmand School 205 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: of Music, followed by drama school in New York City. 206 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: In addition to singing, she played the organ, piano, and guitar. However, 207 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: her drama school shut down due to the Great Depression 208 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: and her family's money had run out. Sybil unhappily returned 209 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 1: home in nineteen twenty six, taking up work as a 210 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: tombstone distributor and earning money through piano lessons. Around the 211 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: time of Sibyl's return to Palmyra, she discovered spiritualism, which 212 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: had started about eighty years prior in nearby Hydesville, New York. 213 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: As she delve deeper into her interests in numerology and astrology, 214 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: Sybil became known as a recluse in town. Although she 215 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: had frequent correspondence with people who shared her interest circus performers, musicians, 216 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: and actors, including a year's long correspondence with Greta Garbo, 217 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 1: some locals thought she was more than just a recluse, 218 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: interpreting her old fashioned black dresses and wide brimmed hats 219 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: as witches garb. Though she lived in her parents large house, 220 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: she lived without electricity or running water. The Victorian style 221 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: home ran on gas lamps installed by her grandfather William, 222 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: and used an outhouse behind the store. She also had 223 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: as many as fifteen cats at a time. The number 224 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: of mirrors in the home, especially those facing each other, 225 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: leeds former museum director Bonnie Hayes to believe she practiced 226 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: s crying with them. Some think Sybil also made use 227 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: of a crystal ball. She lived in the house until 228 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: her death in nineteen seventy six, the year after Historic 229 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: Palmyra bought the building and turned it into a museum. 230 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: The first floor grocery store museum is a tribute to 231 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: how people shopped nearly a century ago. The upper two 232 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: stories are a tribute to how they lived. The Phelps' 233 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: original furniture, including their piano, is still present in the 234 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: family's eight rooms, which included a dining room with lace 235 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: curtains and a table set for afternoon tea, a sitting room, 236 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: and a sick room where Sibyl's grandparents and parents are 237 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: all believed to have spent their final days. Local spiritualists 238 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: celebrate Sibyl's birthday every year on October tenth, and it's 239 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: said that she often makes appearances at these parties. But 240 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: that's not the only day Sybil makes appearances in the 241 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: home where she lived and died. One employee at the 242 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: museum was vacuum the third floor when he saw a 243 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: full body manifestation of Sybil Phelps, according to The Daily Messenger. 244 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: According to this employee, Phelps told him not to touch 245 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: her things, he's refused to enter the third floor again. 246 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: Others have claimed to see Sybil walking through the kitchen 247 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: or sitting at her piano on the second floor. According 248 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: to Ghosts and Hauntings of the finger Legs, an impression 249 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: of a figure has often been seen in the bed 250 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: in her room in the southeast corner of the third floor. 251 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: Visitors who sit at the dining room table on the 252 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: second floor also report the sound of a spoon clinking 253 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: against a teacup. People report hearing piano music on the 254 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: upstairs floors, said to be Sybil playing the piano, or 255 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: sometimes her cats walking across the keys. The cats in 256 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: particular pop up often. Visitors have reported hearing them meow, 257 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: feeling them rub against their legs, and even seeing them 258 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: walk through the place. On the first floor, people hear 259 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: disembodied voices they send someone breathe in their ear, and 260 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: sometimes smell the scent of phantom cigars. The lamp in 261 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: the store is said to swing gently, even in the 262 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: absence of a breeze. Investigators have recorded EVPs that sound 263 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: like a voice listing prices, which they believe is a 264 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: residual haunting. When a ghost leaves a psychic imprint on 265 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: the place on the second floor. According to Ghosts and 266 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: Hauntings of the finger Lakes, the shadow of a small 267 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: boy appears running through the kitchen before disappearing into the door, 268 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: which rattles as it passes through it. The spirit of 269 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: a child named Holly, said to be an eight year 270 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: old girl who died in eighteen thirty six, has been 271 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: said to be present in the sitting room on the 272 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: second floor. As The Daily Messenger reported, the child is 273 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: best known for touching visitors hands when they sit on 274 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: a chair next to the table she is allegedly hiding 275 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: under with several other spirit children. One visitor saw what 276 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: she thought was a doll in the room, only to 277 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: realize that there was no doll present. Holly's identity is unknown, 278 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: but some thing she was a resident of the boarding 279 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: house from before the Phelps family moved in. Others believe 280 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: she was the victim of a horse accident in front 281 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: of the store. Even Julius himself is suspected of haunting 282 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: the building. He's especially sensed in the sick room on 283 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: the second floor. According to Ghosts and Hauntings of the 284 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: finger Legs, he doesn't want anyone especially women in there. 285 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: Julius doesn't really make his presence known, however, anyone can 286 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: sense a heaviness in the air as he waits impatiently 287 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: for them to move along. He still likes his privacy, 288 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: just as he did when he was alive. Up next, 289 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: we will be talking to the museum's director, Tracy Murphy. 290 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: She is one of the most engaging people I've met 291 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: on a case, and she's incredibly knowledgeable on not only 292 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,959 Speaker 1: the history of the museum, but it's many haunts. So 293 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: that is coming up after the break. So I am 294 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: now joined by Tracy Murphy, who is the director of 295 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: the Palmira Museum and someone that we worked with when 296 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: we filmed Kindred Spirits there. So it's great to hear 297 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: your voice, Tracy. 298 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 2: Thank you, Amy, thanks for inviting me. 299 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: Of course, to this day, I would say that the 300 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: museum is probably one of my favorite places I've ever investigated. 301 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 1: It's just, to me, one of the most haunted places 302 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: I've ever been. 303 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 3: I love doing it. 304 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 1: You get to work there every day, yes, I do. 305 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: And you know, we were there for like four or 306 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: five days and the activity was just incessant and we 307 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: couldn't even show it all on the show, and so 308 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: is it just like that all the time being there? 309 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 2: I would say ninety percent of the time. All of 310 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:53,719 Speaker 2: the buildings have some activity going on any given day 311 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 2: at any given time. 312 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: So I think that's really interesting because well, the activity 313 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: that we encountered was well, at one point in the basement, 314 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: we did have something slam on the door very loudly 315 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: and just it was very much like I couldn't tell 316 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: if it was trying to get our attention or if 317 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: it was trying to tell us to like get out 318 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: of there. What is your impression of activity like that 319 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: when it happens. 320 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 2: Most of the time, if it has to do with 321 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 2: the basement, I prefer not to be involved. The basement 322 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 2: is just one of the creepiest places in the whole museum. 323 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 2: And I know people will say, well, basements are kind 324 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 2: of creepy, but ours just has a special vibe to it. 325 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 2: And quite honestly, if we hear like it sounds like 326 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 2: something is fallen down in the basement, we tend to 327 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 2: ignore it until we have a volunteer come in and 328 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 2: then I'll send them down to investigate. 329 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: Do they know this or is this going to be 330 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: news to them when they listen to the FOD. 331 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 2: This is probably going to be news to them. I mean, 332 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 2: never have another volunteer. 333 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: Everyone has to, you know, do their part, especially with 334 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: their new bees. 335 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a test of strength. 336 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think when we were down there, 337 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: it almost seemed like there was someone hiding down there. 338 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: Was the vibe. Was the vibe that we got, and 339 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 1: like they we were getting kind of too close for 340 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: their comfort, is what it seemed like. And I think 341 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: Chip picked up on that as well. But then in 342 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: the rest of the location, it just seems like a 343 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: lot of different spirits. I think people probably focus on 344 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: the fire a lot, but I think there's so much 345 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: going on. Who do you think is like, maybe your 346 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 1: most prevalent spirits there? 347 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 2: I would say generally the bartender is very present in 348 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 2: the front of the building, in the bar room itself. 349 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 2: But we also have been getting and I think we 350 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 2: touched on this too, that we've been getting some different visitors. 351 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 2: One of them was the little boy that his portrait 352 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 2: is on the wall and he really didn't have anything 353 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 2: to do with the museums, but he comes in. We 354 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 2: do have some shadowy figure that's upstairs in the hallway 355 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 2: at the end. We don't really know who he is, 356 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 2: but he's up there quite a bit. And I think 357 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 2: that's one of the more interesting things about our building, 358 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 2: especially the historical museum, is because it was a hotel, 359 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 2: we had so many visitors, and I think there is 360 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 2: some bit of a residual effect that they have left. 361 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: Now, what about the poker playing ghost. Is he still around? 362 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 3: So Jack, Yes, Jack is still around. 363 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 2: We're getting ready to collect. 364 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 3: His pot, so to speak. 365 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 2: We've got quite a pile of money over the around 366 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 2: the bed. We have one more ghost for the month, 367 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 2: and we're gonna wait and see, you know how what 368 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 2: his winnings are because he's really good at his game. 369 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, so this was something we couldn't show on the 370 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: episode either. But we did play blackjack with him, and 371 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: I did win a few hands, i must say, but 372 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: he was quite a character. And so I think the 373 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: way we did this, and trying to remember, I think 374 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: the way we did it was either with the K 375 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: two or the spirit box, but basically we kind of 376 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: made a signal for like, you know, stay hit yep. Yeah, 377 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: and it worked. I was like, I'm I feel I'm 378 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: literally playing blackjack with a ghost exactly. 379 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 2: Yes, And you know, it's so fascinating because I think 380 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 2: that shows people how intelligent they are. 381 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it also shows you know, the power of 382 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: a gambling addiction. It follows you in the afterlife. The 383 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: other spirit that we encountered that did not make the show, 384 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: but still stands as one of the most wild experiences 385 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: I've had. And I'm pretty sure we played you the 386 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,479 Speaker 1: audio from this. But so what people don't know, I'm 387 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: sorry if you haven't. If the people haven't watched the 388 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: episode of Kindred Spirits, I highly recommend you go check 389 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: it out if you haven't. What people don't know is 390 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: that we had to cut one of two things. It 391 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: was either cut the whole Sybil seance session, which Sybil 392 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: was a spiritualist who we believe haunts the building, or 393 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: cut the crazy experience that we had with the woman 394 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: moaning walking down the stairs. And so we had to 395 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: cut the woman moaning walking down or the hallway rather. 396 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,479 Speaker 1: And so that moment was we were standing in the 397 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 1: doctor's room and there was this doctor's bag that I'm 398 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: sure we remember that seemed to have some energy attached 399 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: to it that was negative and did not like women 400 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, and so we moved that bag. Adam 401 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: moved it, but he didn't tell me where he put it, 402 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: and apparently he put it in some sort of women's 403 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: history room. 404 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, in our morning room of all places, oh. 405 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 1: In the morning. 406 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 407 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: And the next thing you know, we hear this very 408 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: typical like this sounded like you would expect a ghost 409 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: to hear. We hear coming down the hallway footsteps and 410 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: this voice that is just like like this wailing ghost. 411 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: And I looked at Adam and I was like, what 412 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 1: is that? And our entire crew was just like bewildered. 413 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: We'd never heard anything like that. And I'm like, Ana, 414 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: where did you put the bag? And he was like, 415 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: the morning. 416 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 2: Room, not. 417 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: Whatever. I could remember what it was, but just remembered 418 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: it being like the wrong place. And so I might 419 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 1: be able to dig that audio up and play it 420 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: on the podcast because it was so awesome. 421 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 2: What that's the hallway? Is that it's like something moving? 422 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 2: Then is there anyone shuffling their feet? Did you hear 423 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 2: the howling? Yeah? You heard that writing like a woman moaning. 424 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, literally, ghost, a ghost and a creek is 425 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: a creek and a. 426 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 2: But it was coming from the hallway, not in here. 427 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: What was going on here? 428 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know. Maybe they're maybe they're banking what 429 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 2: they're hearing. 430 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: Maybe they're pissed you put that bag off the you pissed? 431 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: There's the bag is out there and that goes you 432 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: put in the doll room? 433 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 2: No, no, where'd you put it in the morning room? No? 434 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, we said put it somewhere, and you don't know, 435 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 1: I put it in the morning room. 436 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 3: So maybe somebody's like, no. 437 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: We'll bring it back in here in a second. 438 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 2: Hold on, there could be somebody from that morning, because 439 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 2: that's for the sound of morning, isn't it the sound 440 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 2: of morning? The oh I want to cry right now. 441 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: I'm just like, I can't believe this is happening. But yeah, 442 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: so that was a wild moment. Have you heard that 443 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: since or had you heard that before? 444 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 2: We've heard crying, but not to that extent. You know, 445 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 2: usually we hear a little like weeping or you know, 446 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 2: just a little and sniffles, but not to that extent. 447 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 2: That was definitely, that was pretty amazing. 448 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: So everyone wants to know what did you do with 449 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: the haunted doctor bag? 450 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 2: Well, we tell people when they ask that they have 451 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 2: to come and find out for themselves. 452 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, that's fair. Still I have always encouraged 453 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: people to visit. 454 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 3: We still have it. 455 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: Oh and the doctor's room, I. 456 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 2: Have to say, has changed a little bit. It's not 457 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 2: as heavy as it was before. However, people and mostly 458 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 2: women still go in and say it doesn't feel. 459 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: Good in here. Yeah, yeah, but not to the extent 460 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: I don't believe it, which is good to know. Yes, okay, 461 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: So do you think that those children haunt the building 462 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: from the fire? 463 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think they're they're haunting us. They're here, 464 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 2: We do experience, you know, we see them every once 465 00:27:55,280 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 2: in a while. It's actually kind of interesting saying that 466 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 2: they've been spotted at the Phelps. 467 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 3: In the in the upstairs, so they're. 468 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 4: Actually Now we've had mediums and sensitives that have been 469 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,959 Speaker 4: experiencing three of the children, and not the two that 470 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 4: we typically interact with over here. 471 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 2: These are the two sisters and one of the brothers. 472 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:29,479 Speaker 2: And it's very strange because this particular group they didn't 473 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 2: really know anything about the family, They didn't really want 474 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 2: to know a lot of things, and so when they 475 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 2: were over there, this person saw three children very clearly 476 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 2: asked them, what are your names? Came back over here 477 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 2: for you know, validation, and I said, oh, I can 478 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: tell you. You know, we we have children over here. 479 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 2: I can raw out some names. And it was three 480 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 2: of their names. 481 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: That's interesting. And so now remind me the Phelps building is? 482 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: Which building is where Sybil? 483 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 2: Oh? 484 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: Okay, so that's upstairs in that beautiful kind of. 485 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 2: Victorian And it was on the second floor, yes, which 486 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 2: is very strange to me because normally, you know, we 487 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 2: have a couple children over there that we're familiar with, 488 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 2: but it's never been the children from here at the 489 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,239 Speaker 2: at the historical. 490 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: What do you think is drawing them over there and. 491 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 2: Not really she I don't know if it's like a 492 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 2: sense of comfort that maybe Sybil presents to them. You know, 493 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 2: we've often wondered, because Sybil was here in nineteen sixty 494 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 2: four when the fire took place, did she see them, 495 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 2: you know, after before during It's a lot there's a 496 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 2: lot of questions, you know, with. 497 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: That, right. I Actually I remember pondering that as well, 498 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: because she definitely would have been alive and living in 499 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: that building at the time, probably fearful for her own 500 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: house at the time too. 501 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 2: Well, and I'm sure they have evacuated her because you know, 502 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 2: being so close, she was only a building away, so 503 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 2: you know, it would seem to me that it would 504 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 2: make sense that you're going to evacuate the buildings around 505 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 2: the big fire, and so she would have been outside, you. 506 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: Know, right, I mean she may have even come to 507 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: think she may have even known those children in life, right. 508 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking too, because we do know 509 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 2: that the older boy, Eddie, he was nine, and he 510 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 2: did remember, you know, he used to say, mister Phelps 511 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 2: is mean her father. So it makes you wonder what 512 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 2: kind of interactions she had with them. You know, she 513 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 2: was kind of keep to herself, kind of gale, but 514 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 2: you know, who knows. I just it's so. 515 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 3: It's just so interesting to me. 516 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: Well, it's a very complicated haunt because it has so 517 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: many different players, Like there's so many different intelligent type 518 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: spirit it's there, And if you really think about it, 519 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: was Sybil like her belief in life was that, you know, 520 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: we survived in the afterlife somehow. She was a spiritualist, 521 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: a very active spiritualist. She worked very hard to commemorate 522 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: the Fox Sisters memorial. You know, and so it would 523 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: make sense that she would be very intrigued with what 524 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: you're doing there and with the you know, existence of 525 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: spirits in the space. And so maybe now with so 526 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: much back and forth and people investigating it, I mean, 527 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: who knows, maybe that kind of brought them together in 528 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: some way. 529 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 3: You know. 530 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 2: And everybody is always curious, you know, like, oh, have 531 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 2: your investigations ramped up after Kindred Spirits work here? And 532 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 2: I always say yes, they most certainly did. We find 533 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 2: that Sybil enjoyed her fifteen minutes of fame and she 534 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 2: wants more. Definitely. 535 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: So are you saying she's a little more active than 536 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: she was before. 537 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 3: Yes, definitely. 538 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 2: And it's not in a very she's not subtle about it, 539 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 2: Like she's very good now about presenting herself in a 540 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 2: very large, loud way. There's no staffing her. 541 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: Now what does she do? 542 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 2: We've been getting a lot of very loud bangs over there. 543 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 2: Now she will come to the spirit box. 544 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 3: And we'll talk to our visitors. 545 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 2: Just very interesting things. Funny story. We just we had 546 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 2: our exterminator here. They come twice a year for us 547 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 2: to spray on the outsides of the building and inside. 548 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 2: If we need them, and he came right to the 549 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 2: building and he said, listen, I was here last year. 550 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 2: I wasn't even going to tell my boss that I 551 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 2: wasn't that I wasn't going to go in. I was 552 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 2: just going to park my car out from to show 553 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 2: I was here because last year. He said, I didn't 554 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 2: even touch any of the stairs coming off the third floor. 555 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 2: I'm not going in there. And I just looked at 556 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 2: him and I was like, what are you talking about? 557 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 2: And he's like, I was on the third floor and 558 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 2: I heard a woman's voice say, don't touch my dress. 559 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 2: And I just I said, why don't you tell us 560 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 2: these things? And he's like, I'm not going in there alone. 561 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 2: You have to be with me. You know what? 562 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: Goodness, was there a dress up there? 563 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 2: There is a dress in the other room that belonged 564 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 2: to her, and you know, maybe he was getting too 565 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 2: close to it and she didn't like it. But he's 566 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 2: not the first person to report to us that she 567 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 2: was very verbal about leaving my stuff alone. 568 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: Wow, go Sybil. I do know when we were doing 569 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: the seance with our psychic Heather, who is amazing, there 570 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: were these moments where we were just all hearing footsteps 571 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: walk across the floor to us so loud, and then 572 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,959 Speaker 1: it was almost like someone was standing there kind of 573 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: thinking about entering the circle. We save the space for Sybil, 574 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: and you could hear like kind of a rocking and 575 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: like someone just standing there. And again, this this was 576 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: probably the one case where like our entire crew was 577 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: just like what is going on here? Usually they're just 578 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: I mean, they have experiences, but many times our camera 579 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,280 Speaker 1: crew they're all business. You say them, they're very hard working, 580 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: they're you know they but they are like non stop. 581 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: They don't really have time to have experiences sometimes. But 582 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 1: this was the one place where, like, you know, at night, 583 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: we'll all go back to the hotel and shit chat 584 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 1: for a little while after we're done filming. And this 585 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: was the one place where they were like they didn't 586 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 1: like having to go up to that third floor by themselves. 587 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,720 Speaker 1: They didn't like having to go into the basement alone. 588 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,879 Speaker 1: Like yeah, and all these are pretty tough guys exactly so, 589 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: but they admitted it like that that that place felt different, 590 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: and it really does. Everywhere you go through the building 591 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: feel you feel something, and each area feels differently, like 592 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: sometimes you feel very happy and safe sometimes you feel 593 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: like somebody's watching me. So now, have you had any 594 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: recent people come in who just had had enough and 595 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: had to leave and didn't want to come. 596 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 2: Back other than our bun guy. No, his poor face, 597 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 2: and you know we knew he was genuine because he 598 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 2: really was, Like I wasn't even going to come in, 599 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 2: Like we've lost people because of your buildings, and I'm 600 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 2: just like, oh gosh, I'm so sorry. 601 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 3: Let us know. 602 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 2: We'll go in prior and say, hey, guys, we get 603 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 2: the bug. People come in today, be nice. But no, 604 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 2: you know, I think the really neat thing about our 605 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 2: buildings when we have investigators come in, there's always something 606 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 2: that leads them wanting just a little bit more, which 607 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 2: is great because you know, sometimes you go to a location, 608 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,240 Speaker 2: maybe you get a little bit, maybe you don't get anything. 609 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 2: And not to say that you know everybody who comes 610 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 2: to her gets something. 611 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 3: Because sometimes you don't. But we find like. 612 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 2: We get a lot of people who want to come 613 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 2: back because there was so much and they want to 614 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 2: investigate just a little bit more or go in a 615 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 2: different direction, which is really. 616 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,320 Speaker 3: Cool to me. And I love seeing the old school stuff. 617 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's definitely the camp that I'm in, 618 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,359 Speaker 1: Like that was one of those places that just got 619 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: me really excited about the paranormal, you know, and I 620 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 1: think I could see how that, you know, I want 621 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: to tell people that if you go to this, to 622 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: Paulmyra and you investigate here, just know that not every haunt. 623 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 2: Is like that, right exactly. 624 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: Yes, it's not usually that easy, and I'm sure there's 625 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: times people come in and it's quiet, of course, but 626 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: like for us, that was never a factor, Like it 627 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: was just nonstops. Now when they do kind of go quiet, 628 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 1: do you ever think there's a reason, you. 629 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 2: Know, I think that it's like it's kind of like 630 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 2: us on the other side that you know, maybe they're 631 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 2: just tired, you know, maybe they're taking a break because 632 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 2: you know, you can't. 633 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:13,720 Speaker 3: Be on all the time. 634 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 2: And you know, sometimes I think if we were booked, 635 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 2: you know, every single weekend of the month, something's. 636 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 3: Got to give, you know. 637 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 2: I mean, I personally, when I come back in my 638 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 2: next life, I don't want to keep answering questions like 639 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:31,839 Speaker 2: are you there? 640 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,879 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm here, you know, So. 641 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 2: I think they just kind of go they just take 642 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 2: the day. 643 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 3: Off, and I don't blame them. 644 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 2: I would too, and that's what we tell people. You know, 645 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 2: we cannot guarantee that you're going to get something every 646 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 2: time you come, because obviously they have minds of their 647 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,399 Speaker 2: own and they're going to do what they're going to do, 648 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,840 Speaker 2: So it can be difficult. 649 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, that actually brings up a good point. We do frequently. 650 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 1: It's telpe people to kind of think outside the box 651 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: when you're approaching these spirits, just because in places that 652 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: are investigated, they do get a lot of the same 653 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 1: question over and over again, and they get asked to 654 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: do the same thing over and over again, and then 655 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: they kind of become like they're performing for you. 656 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 2: At that point, I think they're desensitized. 657 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 1: Yes, so you have to kind of think what can 658 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: I give them and like what can I how can 659 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 1: I make this a rewarding experience for them? Like what 660 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 1: can I do here that will have them want to 661 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,439 Speaker 1: interact not just because I'm asking them to, but because 662 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: I'm offering them something. You know, May that be information, 663 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: may that be assistance in some way. And so especially 664 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: when you're dealing with a location filled with intelligent haunts 665 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: like yours, you really do have to bring your a. 666 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 3: Game, Yes, you do. 667 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,760 Speaker 2: You do. And I think they recognize that too, which 668 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,279 Speaker 2: you know, definitely more more disappoint that's being here. You know, 669 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 2: I'm here Tuesday through Saturday, so you know, when I'm 670 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 2: here during the day, it's it's the museums. It's our job. 671 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 2: We do tours. Some people will come for a tour 672 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 2: and they'll ask questions and then you know, we're like, oh, okay, 673 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,320 Speaker 2: you want to know about this part of our business. 674 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 2: But you know, I'm always asking, you know, when I 675 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 2: go into the building morning, Sybil, how are you you 676 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,360 Speaker 2: know we're going to be doing this today. 677 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 3: We're going to do this today. 678 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, I'm always like, 679 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,319 Speaker 2: good afternoon, you know, have a great day. We'll see 680 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:41,359 Speaker 2: in the morning. 681 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 3: Like we're leaving for the day. 682 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 2: So we're very respectful in Sibyl's home because it's. 683 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: Her home, right and you're so you're keeping her kind of, 684 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 1: you know, abreast of what's going on, which I think 685 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: is important too. It's kind of like when you go 686 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: like not like it's going to domeor like going to 687 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 1: the doc office, when they're explaining to you every single 688 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: thing they're doing to make you feel more comfortable. You know, 689 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 1: obviously it's not to that extent, but it is this 690 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, recognizing that you're in someone's 691 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 1: space and kind of giving them a step by step 692 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: of like what your plans are. Plus I feel like 693 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,799 Speaker 1: Sybil probably really likes you at this point. She seems to, 694 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,359 Speaker 1: so she probably wants to know what's going on in 695 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 1: your life. 696 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 3: Oh definitely. 697 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 2: And there's there's times, you know, when we send the 698 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 2: girls down to clean the store, and I'm always like, 699 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 2: you know, when we go behind the counter, when you're 700 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 2: by the safe, just let William know we're just cleaning 701 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 2: because we don't want them to be upset. And you know, 702 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 2: he does get upset when we go back there, so 703 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 2: you know, it's just kind of being respectful. And some 704 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,279 Speaker 2: people kind of give us the side eye, like what 705 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,759 Speaker 2: are you doing? But it's just part of what we do. 706 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 1: So do you think so you think he gets upset 707 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 1: of people who are not employees or behind the counter. 708 00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,319 Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah. 709 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 1: And so what happens is there activity that goes along 710 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 1: with that. 711 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 2: Usually he like we had an incident where he was 712 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 2: not happy with someone being back there and the glass 713 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 2: that covers some of the counter got broken and it 714 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 2: was because we had people back there. But when I've 715 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,399 Speaker 2: gone back there before, I've had my hair pulled, I've 716 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,319 Speaker 2: had like a little nudge to kind of get out 717 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,399 Speaker 2: of that area. So you know, we always let him know, hey, 718 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 2: this is where I'm this is what I'm doing. I'm 719 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 2: not anywhere near the safe you know, we're we're just 720 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:36,800 Speaker 2: here to clean. 721 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 3: And it seems to. 722 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 1: Well, that has to be a challenge. Yeah, that has 723 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,399 Speaker 1: to be a challenge too, because you know, you have 724 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,760 Speaker 1: people who want interactions so badly they might be tempted 725 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,359 Speaker 1: to go back there and agitate him. Yeah, there are 726 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 1: people that you know, that's one of the things we 727 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 1: always say, please, you know, don't do that. Yeah, so, yes, 728 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 1: you don't want you don't want activity to agitation, just 729 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: you know, for the well being of the location and 730 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: you who have to be there all the time, and 731 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 1: as you know, with respect to the spirit as well. 732 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,720 Speaker 1: So I'm sure that's happened in the past though. 733 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's you know, it's difficult because you know, 734 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:21,359 Speaker 2: sometimes people watch certain shows and you know, and there's 735 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 2: a little bit of you know, confrontation or you know, 736 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,400 Speaker 2: you know, please you better make a noise or we're 737 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 2: going to do this, and we always try to make 738 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,160 Speaker 2: sure you know that. We're like, listen, we don't do 739 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 2: that here. If you get something, that's great, and if 740 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,879 Speaker 2: you don't, that's okay too, But we certainly don't sit 741 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:46,400 Speaker 2: here and try to bring them out with you know, meanness. 742 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 2: You don't try not to be mean. But I and 743 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 2: I think with the Phelps the store, definitely, with the 744 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 2: upstairs residence, you see people change a little bit because 745 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 2: they realize it is somebody home. Someone lived there from 746 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:07,759 Speaker 2: eighteen sixty eight until nineteen seventy six. So I think 747 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 2: that kind of changes the vibe when they come in there, 748 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,920 Speaker 2: because at first, you know, everybody's jaw drops like wow, 749 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 2: this place is incredible, you know, and then they hear 750 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 2: the history and it's like, whoa, this is even more 751 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 2: incredible than I thought. 752 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 1: Yeah it is. It is truly a very special place, 753 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 1: and I cannot wait to get back there and visit. 754 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,360 Speaker 1: And so now, if people want to come visit, or 755 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,439 Speaker 1: if they want to support the museum in any way, 756 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,440 Speaker 1: what do you recommend? 757 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 2: I would recommend that they go to our website, which 758 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 2: is www. Historic Palmyra, NY dot com. We have all 759 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:53,239 Speaker 2: the information on there about our museums, our hours, we 760 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 2: have our investigations on there. You know what to expect 761 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 2: things like that. We also have a Facebook pie Start Palmyra, Palmyron, 762 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 2: New York. So those are a couple avenues. They can 763 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 2: always call me, they can you know, email aus. We're 764 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:11,759 Speaker 2: open for anything. 765 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, Tracy's always there. She never leaves. 766 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 2: Right if I'm not here, I'm at the Fox property. 767 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,120 Speaker 3: So it's you know. 768 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:26,359 Speaker 1: That, I know, a whole other ball game. Absolutely so 769 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,360 Speaker 1: for people that don't know, Tracy's also the caretaker for 770 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,440 Speaker 1: the original Fox Sisters cabin, like the foundation of it, 771 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,920 Speaker 1: and so if you are not familiar with the Fox Sisters, 772 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,520 Speaker 1: go look that up right now. But that is probably 773 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,800 Speaker 1: one of the most, if not the most important piece 774 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,880 Speaker 1: of spiritualist history in America, and Tracy looks after it, 775 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 1: which I love. We actually filmed there briefly, but again, 776 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,520 Speaker 1: just too many hauntings at the Palmyra Museum. We didn't 777 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,960 Speaker 1: have time to show it. It's too many ghosts. 778 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to come back for a whole week. 779 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,960 Speaker 1: Seriously, I could an. I wanna thank you so much 780 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,440 Speaker 1: for fitting me into your schedule and you're busy and 781 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 1: it's lovely to hear your voice, and I really do 782 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:21,919 Speaker 1: hope to get back there very study. So thank you, Tracy. 783 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,920 Speaker 1: To this day, the Palmira Museum stands as one of 784 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,680 Speaker 1: the top most haunted places I've ever experienced. From the 785 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,880 Speaker 1: second I set inside to the second I departed, the 786 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:37,319 Speaker 1: activity and feeling of other worldly presences was constant. I 787 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,839 Speaker 1: don't necessarily think it's the breeding children, or not entirely them. 788 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,920 Speaker 1: There is something about that place, the items inside, the 789 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,360 Speaker 1: history of each space that has bred the perfect haunt. 790 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 1: Not scary, not desperate, but very very active. I highly 791 00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,719 Speaker 1: recommend you make the trip. And if you do, tell 792 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,799 Speaker 1: Tracy and the staff, I said, Hils, let them know 793 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,200 Speaker 1: it will not be long before I am back. I 794 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:16,120 Speaker 1: am Amy Bruney and this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road 795 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,759 Speaker 1: is hosted and written by me Amy Bruney, with additional 796 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:24,080 Speaker 1: research by Taylor Haggerdorn and Cassandra de Alba. This show 797 00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,879 Speaker 1: is edited and produced by rema El Kali, with supervising 798 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,520 Speaker 1: producer Josh Thain and executive producers Aaron Manke, Alex Williams, 799 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,560 Speaker 1: and Matt Frederick. Haunted Road is a production of iHeartRadio 800 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,800 Speaker 1: and Grim and Mild from Aaron Manke. 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