1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome 3 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: back to another edition All the Smoke. What's up, Smoky good? 4 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: We got a special guest today, uh man, someone who 5 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: is I got a chance to work with back in 6 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: the day. Emmanuel. Emanuel. He's made his transitions from Austin 7 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: to l A. He's out here in under the big lights. Now. 8 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: When the smartest bugs we know go ahead and finish 9 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: it for me. When the smartest bud I work with him. 10 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: That's my boy. We're starting to girl relationship. I'm glad 11 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: he's on the show. Emmanuel, just here. Why are you 12 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: pronouncing it like that? Literally high key? That's how I 13 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: pronounced my name when I meet people. Yeah, I say, 14 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: Emanuell got my friends. Jack is studying film though ja. 15 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: Jack wants to be an actor, so you never know 16 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,959 Speaker 1: what you're gonna get from him the day. But thank 17 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: you for joining us, man, We appreciate it. Welcome to California. Said, 18 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: you've been over a little bit of the pandemic. Man, 19 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: I see you got your red Dorothy's on today like 20 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: something like it? Yeah, yeah, something I said. I'm always 21 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: in a suit. Bro, I gotta get this good. Get 22 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: the knees out. Yeah, I have a good time. So 23 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: what if I told you hold up, listen, bro, what 24 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: you gotta watch him? I tell you all the guests 25 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: you have to watch him. Bro, he get his jokes 26 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: in real Yeah, you think they compliment to brother? Got 27 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: doth she needs? But you're good. Man's the second one. Always, 28 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: it's the second one. You know about three strikes. But 29 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: let's get to it. Drafted in two thousand twelve. You've 30 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: been retired for three years now, transition into sports media, 31 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: been through the four years of Trump, all the Black 32 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: Lives Matter, George Floyd movement last year nominated for an Emmy. Congratulations, 33 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: by the way, uncomfortable conversation with the Black Man. If 34 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: I'd have told you all that happened in the last 35 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: ten years, what would you say? Honestly, I probably say 36 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: nothing if you said we'll talk. If you said that, 37 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: I'd probably be speechless. Um the I mean on the 38 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: heights of the Emmy. Just found that out. That's like, 39 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: thank you. Like, by the grace of God, I've been 40 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: able to do a lot of cool things lately. Wrote 41 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 1: a book All that Jazz partner with Oprah, but like 42 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: a primetime emmy. I was like, yo, serious wild because 43 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: it realistically I was drafted into the NFL, but I 44 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't know. I get a football. I was good enough 45 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: to make it, you know what I'm saying. But I 46 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: wasn't trying. I wasn't gonna make no noise there. So 47 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: if if you would have told me that ten years ago, 48 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: I would have called you a liar, and then I 49 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: would have been speechless. Yeah, well you don't think you 50 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: make Why you had that attitude not making noise in football? 51 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: It wasn't that, man, I'm calculated bro. So like I 52 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: realized after four years in the NFL, you're vested, vested 53 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: pension and annuity. After four years, I looked myself in 54 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: the mirror. I was like, I'm not gonna be an 55 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: all pro. I'm not gonna be a pro bowler. So 56 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: what am I playing for? You? Feel me? I was like, 57 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: am I playing for money? I can go make more 58 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: money doing something else. But I remember at the Rookie Symposium, 59 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: it used to be mandatory if you got drafted. They 60 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: told us the average NFL player, he starts here salary wise, 61 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: the average doctor starts here salary wise, and at about 62 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: thirty five they crossed pass and I remember that stuck 63 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: to me. Stuck to me, so I was like, I'm 64 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: not gonna be that. I was like, let me see 65 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: if I can do this. And so when I stepped 66 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 1: away from the league at twenty six, I was like, no, 67 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: you're not gonna get me. I'm not gonna be on 68 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,119 Speaker 1: the episode of Broke and all that. So, um, that's 69 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: really what it was. I could have hung on and 70 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: could have kept playing, but for what And now it's 71 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: all worked out. I mean we briefly touched the but 72 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: really talked to me about this Emmy nomination and how 73 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: your show Uncomfortable Conversation with the Black Man came about. 74 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: I don't tell the story often, man, that's what you 75 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: hear all the smoke we get first, and I don't 76 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: because it'll take me to a place. Right. People ask 77 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: me what was your inspiration behind Uncomfortable Conversations with a 78 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: Black Man? And I'm like, there was no inspiration. There 79 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: was a devastation you feel me like, it wasn't like 80 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: I was inspired to create Uncomfortable Conversation. Yesterday, I'm gonna 81 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: go talk about race that's what we're gonna do. No. 82 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: It was like, man, after I saw this black man, 83 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: George Floyd get murdered, I was like, okay, I gotta 84 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: do something. Y'all notice because y'all have teams like I 85 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: have a team publicist assistants say, then saw that, and 86 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: you know you delegate. At first, you delegate responsibilities. I agent, 87 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: I need you to do this. Publicist, do this, assistant 88 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: do that. But when cats stopped getting stuff done, you 89 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: know what you say, I'm gonna do it myself. And 90 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: so I had kind of been sitting back in society like, Okay, 91 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: civil rights leaders, sure, y'all got it under control. Police officers, yeah, 92 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: y'all got it done in control. Um you know, activists, 93 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,239 Speaker 1: y'all got it done in control. But after I saw 94 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: the murder of George Floyd, I was like, you know what, 95 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go do it myself. And so true story. 96 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: I rent out a facility in Austin, Texas. True story, 97 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: I called a wedding videographer because I didn't have anybody 98 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: in the video industry, your wedding videographer. I hit my 99 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: best friend, a track and field athlete, and I rented 100 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: out the studio space, and I sat down in front 101 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: of a camera. Now here's a kicker. It's uncomfortable conversations 102 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: with a black man, not uncomfortable monologue with a black man. 103 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: So why was I by myself the first episode? I 104 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to be My white home girl was supposed 105 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: to do it with me. She drove from Dallas, Texas 106 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: to Austin, Texas. We were sitting together, rehearsed all day Saturday. 107 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: I did it on a Sunday. Sunday morning, I come downstairs. 108 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: I had to stay in my guest room. I come downstairs, 109 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: tears in her eyes. I can't do it. I can't 110 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: do it. You know, they don't want to see me. 111 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: They want to see you. I'm like, huh, that's not 112 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: how we practice. What you mean, I can't do what? 113 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: I can't do it. I'm like, well, I don't have 114 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: the luxury not to do it. And so I said, 115 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 1: you know what, I'll do it myself. I get to 116 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: the studio at ten fifty four, called time is at eleven. 117 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: I opened the door with my right hand. On my 118 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: left hand, my phone vibrates. I check it us. An 119 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: old colleague of mine, a black woman Hey, I really 120 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: don't like this idea. You're doing uncomfortable conversations with a 121 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: black man. White people didn't educate lacked people how to 122 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: assimilate into their culture. Why do we need to educate 123 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: them as how to assimilate into ours? Fair point? You 124 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: gotta be their fair point. I simply responded, I'm gonna 125 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: go as God leads, and um, I'm sitting in that 126 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: room record the video. Five days later, I'm sitting at 127 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: my desk in Austin, Texas. I gonna call it a 128 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: no Call Aladie number. Saturday morning. I'm sitting there eating 129 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: some honey nut cheerios. True story called no Callady Number stack. 130 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: I picked the joint up a cho McConaughey speaking, I 131 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: want to have a conversation, like Matthew. Uh. He's like, 132 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: I want to have a conversation. I'm like, all right, cool, 133 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: we'll do it in like four days. We can do 134 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: episode two. He said tomorrow. I said, Okay, McConaughey wants 135 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: to do it tomorrow. We do it tomorrow. Record episode 136 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: to the next day. Five days later, again, another no 137 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: Call Already Number. Hey, Emanuel, Um, this is so and 138 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: so from Oprah Winfrey's team, Do you have time to 139 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: talk to you today? I'm like, do I have time? 140 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: Does Oprah hap time? My hop on FaceTime with Oprah? 141 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: She's sitting in her kitchen just chill. Not like you 142 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: know what, I'm staying in a studio giving it out 143 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: cars Um. So she's sit in her room chilling, and 144 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: she asked me one question, what is your intention? I said, 145 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: my intention is to change the world, not truly believe 146 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: I can. And um, the rest is history to save 147 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: you all. An elongated story. But next thing, you know, 148 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: to New York Times best selling books and then the Emmy. Damn, 149 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: it's a hell of a start to the show. I 150 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: don't even know where to go from here. Now, more 151 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: than ever, the athlete voice not only travels resonates day 152 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: to day, but travels around the world. What are your 153 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: thoughts on kind of the athlete kind of finding a 154 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: platform and their voice in this space in society which 155 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: is so needed today. Catch twenty two, Fellas, It's a 156 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: catch twenty two because a lot of professional athletes are 157 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: professional athletes, but they are not professional speakers. Facts. A 158 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: lot of professional athletes are professional athletes, but they are 159 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: not professional psychologists. A lot of professional athletes are professional athletes, 160 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: but they are not professional teachers. But you have professional 161 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: athletes trying to speak, teach, and analyze the mind. It's 162 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 1: a catch twenty two because my co host says a 163 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: lot people want to disrupt with no destination. My dog 164 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: Marcellus widely, um, he's like, people want to disrupt without 165 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: a destination. I'm like, you know what, there's some truth 166 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: to that. Like cats want to sit here and and 167 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: disrupt the marketplace, but they don't necessarily know where they 168 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: want to go. And it's unfortunate because I know their 169 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: hearts in the right place. But it's kind of like 170 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: action without intention is ill you feel me? Like cat, 171 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: If Colin Kaepernick would have known how big everything was 172 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: gonna be, he probably would have changed his steps a 173 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: little bit differently. Now I fully understand what he was 174 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: trying to do. But if capitally would have known how 175 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: big a deal everything was gonna be, he wouldn't have 176 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: worn pig socks, he wouldn't have worn a castro shirt, like, 177 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: he wouldn't have done all that stuff had he known. 178 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: You track with me, like the Naomio sock that she 179 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: probably would have navigated things a little bit differently had 180 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: she known people real talk, like everybody would have. But 181 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: the problem is we don't go to the end before 182 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: we start at the beginning. You tracking with me, and 183 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: so I think it's a twenty two. I love that 184 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: athletes have a platform. I love that they have a 185 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: voice because athletes are so much more than an athlete. 186 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: That's what they do, it's not who they are. But 187 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: you just gotta be cautious because we live in a 188 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 1: culture that can cancel quickly, and I think we're held 189 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,599 Speaker 1: to a different standard being athletes. Some people appreciate and 190 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: respect that. Some people like, oh, you think you can 191 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: do anything because you were an athlete. Fact and then 192 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: bra because you're an athlete, some people also think you're 193 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: not capable of doing it, like, well, they're a professional athlete, 194 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: so they don't get Yeah, but athletes, some of them 195 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: got degrees and some of them study's been taking private 196 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: classes and taking business courses and X, Y and Z, Like, 197 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: I'm an athlete, but I was way b I got 198 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: a whole master's degree only for the purpose of not 199 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: being a dumb jot. I don't necessarily use it. I 200 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: brag about having it, but I don't necessarily use it. 201 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: But I got it just to dismantle this dumb jock 202 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: ideology because I don't want nobody to tell me, well, 203 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: he's just an athlete, he's not allowed to speak on this. 204 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, no no, don't get a twisted now 205 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 1: we've got the same degrees. Come on, I don't think 206 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,719 Speaker 1: I don't think nobody can be canceled to go back 207 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: on your point. Like when I the old George Forsitust, 208 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: when I decided to jump out there for him, I 209 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: was just leaving with my heart. I had no idea 210 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 1: what I was doing, I swear, I swear I didn't, 211 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: but the passion and me knowing that no other person 212 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: that was murdered by the police who had a professional 213 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,599 Speaker 1: athlete of my stature to speak up on you know 214 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: what I mean. So it's what you're saying is correct. 215 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: We sometimes we don't know, and it's just our heart 216 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: leading in the direction that we don't know what we're going. 217 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: And it's so good because if we lived in a 218 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: society that would appreciate that, then I could co sign 219 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: that the problem is bro It's kind of like I 220 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: used to play mind sweeper growing up right, because I 221 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: know how to play Solitaire was too complicated. I try 222 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: to sound smart, but I'm really not all that smart. 223 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: So your boy didn't know how to play solitaire, and 224 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: so I would play mind sweel. You're fulling funk out 225 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: of me right now, full a lot of people. Nah. 226 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: So so I try to play mind sweeper stack problem 227 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: with mine sweeper. I didn't know the rules, so I 228 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: would just click around until something blew up, right like 229 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: most cats. That's what a lot of athletes do. They 230 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: don't really know the rules of engagement, and so they 231 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: played the game, but they just end up vocally clicking 232 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: around until they step on a landline and then something 233 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 1: blows up. You feel me because so many of us 234 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 1: lead and move with our heart. Everybody's hearts in the 235 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: right place. Kabinet cart was in the right place. Uh 236 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 1: naomial heart was in the right place. Everything you was 237 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: doing with George Floyd heart was in the right place, 238 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: everything just about most athletes do. Their heart is in 239 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: the right place. But if you don't know the rules 240 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: of engagement, it'll blow up on your quick race. In sports, 241 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: so often sports has kind of left as our holy 242 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: joyful time bring everyone together. Slowly but surely politics have 243 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: slipped into sports. Race is definitely in the sports now, 244 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: it's everything. So talk to me about race and sports. 245 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: It's not that people do not want politics and sports. 246 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: People don't want their politics and sports. I don't know 247 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 1: if they caught you heard that. Honestly, I say a 248 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: lot of things twice because my dad was a pastor 249 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: and so I just brought too many services, three services 250 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: every Sunday, real talk. And so it's not that people 251 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 1: don't want politics and sports. They don't want politics that 252 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: aren't there's in sports. Um, I'll start with racing sports. 253 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: Race has always been in sports. Politics has always sports. 254 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: Go back to Jesse Owens at the Olympics. Um had 255 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: to get on a boat to Germany to go defeat 256 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: them Nazis and get on a boat back just to 257 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 1: come back and be a second or third class citizen. Like, 258 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: let's not get a twisted even you have the likes 259 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 1: of you know, I think it was Brett Farve who said, 260 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: you know, why do we have to have politics and sports? 261 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: Remember it was a late nineties seventies. If I'm not 262 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: mistaken that that's when if you win the Super Bowl 263 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: you go to the White House. That's when it started. 264 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: So the ultimate award for winning the ultimate achievement of 265 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: the biggest sport in America is to go get political. 266 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: So how can we say that politics shouldn't be in sports? 267 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: As for racing sports as deep And I don't know 268 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: if I want to go there, because the fact of 269 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: the matter is, and I've said this before, I think privately. 270 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if I said it publicly, but a 271 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: lot of black people were still athletes and entertainers and 272 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: in society a t I don't want to go. Okay, 273 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: we're gonna um in society, man. A lot of the 274 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: juice was gotten out of the squeeze from black people 275 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: historically in this country, right if you talk about slavery 276 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: and everything that happened historically. But there's still a whole 277 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: bunch of youths from an athletic and entertainment perspective, because 278 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: there are things that Stack and Matt Barnes can do 279 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: that nobody else can just by the nature of height, 280 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: size and athleticism. So we still need you all to 281 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: go entertained because entertainment is something that can never be replaced. 282 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: You feel me, And so racing. Sports is a whole 283 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: complex conversation, but really the politics of the matter. People 284 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: be lying like politics have always been in sports. Two 285 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: thousand and nine, Breast Cancer Awareness Month, fields littered with pink, 286 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: pink loves, plink wrist bands, pink towels. Nobody had an 287 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: issue with it because everybody can relate to cancer. But 288 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: then court and is covered in Black Lives Matter of 289 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: type black, huge problem. Why because everybody can't relate to 290 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: police brutality. So it's not that politics haven't been in sports. 291 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: It's not that causes haven't been in sports. It's just 292 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: if I don't care about this cause I don't really 293 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: want to see it. Because it was the same thing 294 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: with Breast Cancer Awareness, the same exact thing. Everybody was 295 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: in paink why even a pink towels? But then when 296 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter hits like, ah, you know what, I'm 297 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: good on all that this ain't beneficial for us. Yeah, 298 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: we were good there, So that's it. People just don't 299 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: have the time to engage in this kind of conversation. 300 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: Think that car Richardson band for spoken with marijuana on 301 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: the days after her mom had passed, and like I said, 302 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: knowing you're respecting you working with you at ESPN before 303 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: you transfer the Fox one. I saw what you said. 304 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: You made a comment on something. I remember what it was, 305 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: and I said, I said, come on, bro, you're better 306 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: than that. And you had made a comment, and I 307 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: think you were taking a lot of heat. And then 308 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: Gina Jack's um do it all. She sent me something 309 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: where you you know that forced you to kind of 310 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: go back and do some homework in your research on 311 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: this situation. Talk to us about first of all the 312 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: comment you made and then going back and doing your 313 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: homework and kind of your outlook on it. Now, man, 314 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: let's go there. Fellas literally came here for this. Welcome 315 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: to all the smokes. Is a pleasure to be here, 316 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: all right. First and foremost, let me preface with this. 317 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: I was at let me trials, Let me press with this. 318 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: Track is actually my first love, right like focused, don't 319 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: do that, No no no, don't let me say national 320 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: Junior Record old like Marcella's. But I love track because 321 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: track is quantifiable. It's like why I love math two 322 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: plus two will always before. I don't care if Stack 323 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: feels like it's five or if Matt feels like it's 324 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: six two plus two is four point blank. We watched 325 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: the NBA finals. How much was Jans helping? How much 326 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: was Middleton helping? How much was Chris Paul helping? Track 327 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: is simple. I ran faster than you, point blank got 328 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: a debate nothing. So let me preface with this my 329 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: first love. Let me preface with I was at the 330 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: Olympic trials. Let me preface with I keep up with 331 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: not only what goes on in American track circuit, but 332 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: the entire track circuit, Jamaican's, Nigerian's everything, because I love 333 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: track first off. Also preface with condolences to Shaky. That's 334 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: not overstep. Let's not overlook. This is a woman who 335 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: lost her biological mother. Now to my knowledge, she has 336 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: no relationship, had no relationship with her. I was raised 337 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: by her grandmother. And Shaky said, but this is a 338 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: woman who lost her biological mother. Let's not stup over 339 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: that for the sake of debate number one, number two 340 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: on from Dallas, Texas. I know she went to Carter 341 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: High School. I know that area. I went to church 342 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: in the hood, the hood, the hood. I went to 343 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: private school, okay, but I went to church in the hood. 344 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: So preface with that as well. So my my comment 345 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: after she got she tested positive for marijuana, and so 346 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: many people was jumping out saying they should legalize it, 347 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: should be legalized, it should be legalized, it should be legalized. 348 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, here's a kicker if it's only too 349 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: much to get into. But nonetheless, it's only illegal in competition. 350 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: You can smoke all the weeds you want as a 351 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,360 Speaker 1: professional track athlete, you just can't do it in competition. 352 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: So I came out and got heat because I was like, Okay, 353 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: if you legalize weed in competition, it's cool for the 354 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: hundred meter sprinter, but what about the javelin thrower, the 355 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: disk is thrower, etcetera. That's what I took all the 356 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: heat for because people were like, one, people aren't gonna 357 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: compete high in two If you compete high, uh, nothing 358 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: bad would happen, full, transparently, never smoked, never drunk a 359 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: day in my life. Right. That's why I'm engaging in 360 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: this dialogue and been thrilled about because I'm like, we 361 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: live different lives, but we respect each other fully completely. 362 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,199 Speaker 1: I respect you all boys to the utmost. So I 363 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: got heat for that, mad heat for that stack acho, 364 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: You're an idiot. You you're a square. You ain't never smoked. 365 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: You clearly don't know nothing about nothing. I was like, Okay, 366 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: here we go. Now I'm a square again. Now I'm 367 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: Carlton uh um. But peeple. So after that, I can't 368 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: just from search because I was like, my coach used 369 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: to tell me that that. My coach used to say, 370 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: listen to the message and not the tone. F you, 371 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: you f an idiot. You're such an invin idiot getting 372 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: the B gap? Okay, he meant getting the B gap. 373 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: Now there's a bunch of you know words around all that, 374 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: but he meant getting the B gap. So I was like, 375 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: what are all these people on i G talking about? 376 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: Matt Dunne called me out? Matt my dog. I know 377 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: he wouldn't call me out for no reason. Jalio White, 378 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: Steve Ercle don't called me out on the same post 379 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: that Matt Done called me. I'm like dank Ercle calling 380 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: me like coming to when Ericle clowning me? I clowned by. 381 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: So I'm like, let me find the morsel of truth 382 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: I get. I engaged with my followers, like y'all do 383 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: I just don't really try to throw salt at him. 384 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: I see some doctor hits me up in the d 385 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: m s And all she says is in a comment, 386 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: And all she says is doctor Benicia Williams out at her. 387 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: All she says is look up Henry an Slinger. But 388 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: she was calm, and her reply is people like dog 389 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: custom the stacks. I'm like, she's nice. Let me engage 390 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: with her. Who's that? I look up this dude and 391 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: Slinger and I'm gonna give you all a quick history lessons. 392 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: I've everybody quick history lesson because even P. Diddy was commented, like, 393 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: there's so much racism laced around weed. Here's my thing. 394 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 1: People understand your history because it will benefit your argument. 395 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: When you get mad, don't raise your voice, raise the 396 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: level of your Intellections you feel me, don't raise your voice, 397 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: just raise your intellectual level. Bet uh and Slinger nineteen thirty. 398 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: He founded the Federal Bureau of Narcotics. He was a 399 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: white man. He founded the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and 400 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: and and Slinger. He he said that Reefer makes darky's 401 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: think they're as good as white men. Close quote, and 402 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: Slinker said they're roughly a hundred thousand marijuana smokers in America, Hispanics, Blacks, entertainers, 403 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: and jazz artists. Marijuana causes white woman to seek sexual 404 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: sexual relations with black man. Close quote known racist. This 405 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: where he gets crazy, Stack and Sling created something called 406 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: the Gore Files. Created the Gore Files. He took two 407 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: hundred police reports and the most insane police reports, a 408 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: guy killed his entire family with an axe, and at 409 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: the end of the police report he would add due 410 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: to marijuana usage. So he took it from a state 411 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: level to a national level by adding marijuana as the 412 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: cost to two hundred of the most heinous crimes in America. 413 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: Ninety seven, the Marijuana Tacks Act gets past because he 414 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: reports one of his Gore files in front of Congress. 415 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: So now everybody's freaking out because people are dying, and 416 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: it's clearly because of marijuana, at least the head of 417 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: the Federal Bureau of Narcotic sets so in ninety seven. 418 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: But here's the thing. I never smoked weed, and I 419 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: know that, so everybody who has you don't need to 420 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: know that too, because that is why marijuana shouldn't be 421 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: out laud in America period. Now as it pertains full story. 422 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 1: Go back to SHAKERI a rule exists. A rule exists, 423 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: whether it's fair or not. You broke the rule, you 424 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: should be punished accordingly. I grew up in Texas. I 425 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: drive through the back roads in Texas. If there is 426 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: a light and I see the red light, camera and 427 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 1: I choose to run the red light and I see 428 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: it flash. I got in the middle. I've seen the 429 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: red light and I ran the joint. Now I can 430 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: debate why was the red light there. We can debate 431 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: that to me all day. But the fact of the 432 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: matter is the red light was there. Last thing I'm 433 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 1: gonna say on this matter is this, and again, I 434 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: was there. The fastest man in the in the world, 435 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: not in America. Noah Liles through two hundred meters, the 436 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: fastest man in the world. We're reigning world champion. He 437 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: said that the USA Olympic Trials make the World Championships 438 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,719 Speaker 1: feel like nothing, just saying Olympic trials are more difficult 439 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,239 Speaker 1: than the World champions I was in a warm up 440 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: area with Noah before he had to rent run, nervous 441 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: as all could be. He was watching my phone. He 442 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: was had my phone is hand dropped, nervous as All 443 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: could be the fastest woman ever through two hundred meters, 444 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: second to flow Joe Gabby Thomas. She trains in Austin. 445 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: I know her well, graduated from Harvard fastest woman ever. 446 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: She had to take off her whoop watch the week 447 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: before the two d because she didn't want to see 448 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: how bad her CNS was because she was so anxious. 449 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: So everybody was anxious there. With that being said, everybody 450 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 1: had to deal with their anxiety differently. So there was 451 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: a rule in place. No, weed doesn't make you faster, 452 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: it don't make you stronger, doesn't make you have more 453 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: quick twitch muscles. No. But the fact of the matter 454 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: is it was a rule. She broke the rule. And 455 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: the last thing is remember this in the NBA, this 456 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: in the NFL, This is not the MLB. This is 457 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: global stages in China, if you smoke. In Japan, if 458 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: you smoke weed, punishable by five to ten years in prison. 459 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: So the tests in Japan have to match the tests 460 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: in America because they compete against each other. Unlike America. 461 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: We can just do rules for America, but the rules 462 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: got to compete against each other, so you can't make 463 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: something legal for one country. That's illegal in another country 464 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: because the country has got to compete. And so this 465 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: is a nuanced conversation. It has to be had with 466 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: nuanced individuals. You can't just fire off a hundred characters 467 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: to make sense of it all. But that's my stance. 468 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: Racism is why marijuana was ever made illegal in the 469 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: first place. Marijuana should not be illegal. Shakey did break 470 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 1: a rule. Shakey should be punished accordingly for the rules 471 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 1: she broke. All of those things can be true. I agree, 472 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: and and and and my standpoints stance on it was 473 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: is obviously, I think it's no secret that there's a 474 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: lot of outdated rules, not only into sports but society 475 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: by people that all look alike, dress alike, and think alike, 476 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, there's no outside the box thinking. 477 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: So I'm hoping that unfortunately Kaepernick was a sacrificial land 478 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: for police brutality, and we're heading in the right direction 479 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: for that, we you know, hopefully, we kind of feel 480 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: like we're taking steps in the right direction. She Carri 481 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: is probably gonna be the sacrificial land for this. Luckily 482 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: she's young enough to still be able to compete. But 483 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna garner enough attention to possibly change 484 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: outdated rules and policy. And to me, it's not only 485 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: in sports, you know. I think it's in the workplace 486 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: and all around you know what I mean, because I, 487 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: like I said, there's an old stigma and CANNABISI is 488 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: ridiculous because all the all the everything you need to know, 489 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: all the studies are at the palm of your hand 490 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: that you can't just go by outdated thesis and principle 491 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: that applied back in the thirties all the way to 492 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: Nancy Reagan in the eighties to two thousand and twenty one, 493 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: where rat but fellas full transparency. That's why I was 494 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: looking forward to rap with y'all. I'm the dude to 495 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: believe the stigma if that if you told if you 496 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: tell me something is illegal since birth, it has to 497 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: be bad. It's illegal. Common sense says something that's illegal 498 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: is bad. And so I'm told my whole life marijuana 499 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: is legal. Marijuana is legal marijuana, So Shirley, it's bad. 500 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 1: Until I go talk to a doctor who literally sent 501 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: me one of her lectures. I meet her on on Instagram. 502 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: She's like, Hey, read one of these lectures, and I'm like, oh, snap. 503 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: You know the difference between th A, C, C, B, 504 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: D all that so Matt to your point, education, we 505 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: just saw it could benefit from it. Across the board. 506 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: A lot of stuff is just a conversation too, h 507 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: but uh, a respectful respect. Jack always says, you we 508 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: can disagree but still respect each other. And you can't 509 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: have a conversation with people that's with minimal understanding. You've 510 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 1: gotta be able to come into the conversation willing to 511 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: accept the perspectives, you know what I mean, not just 512 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: coming into just to talk just so people can hear 513 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: you so you can respond, you know what I mean. 514 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: That's and that's that's what happens a lot these days. 515 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: People just want to respond. They don't listen to you. 516 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: Big facts. Upbringing in Dallas, Texas. Talked to us about 517 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: that man Texas boy. Look, it's a couple of things. 518 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: Number One, you got to understand, see Stack, I grew 519 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 1: up in Texas, but my parents grew up in Nigeria 520 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: in hands, so Nigeria in their hand through Nigeria by 521 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: minor um so. Now I grew up in Dallas, but 522 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: I grew up Nigerian culture because my parents came straight 523 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 1: from Nigeria to American nineteen eighties Brussels. Like I'm eating 524 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: Nigerian food, listening to Nigerian music. My dad was a missionary, 525 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: came over here as that, and so your boy was 526 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: just trying to figure life out, you know what I'm saying. 527 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: Like in the and in my house, my parents would 528 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: call me Cheta do my Nigerian name. But then I 529 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: go to school and in the hood when I was 530 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: at in my public school first and then I'm a man, 531 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: you chow, I go to private school with majority white people. 532 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: Now manny, So I'm over here like yo, what like, 533 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: I'm out here? Like what's really good? Grew up the 534 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: youngest of four in my upbringing. It really just, brother, 535 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: the most strictest of upbringings ever panned out for your boy. 536 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't really have a ton of crazy 537 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: life experiences. It was just straight and narrow. People say like, okay, 538 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: what time is your curfew? Said curfew? Huh, No curfew 539 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: in this house. Nothing this at your households ain't no curfew. Brother, 540 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: You ain't going nowhere, no curfew. You ain't leaving the house. 541 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: Tap what you need curfew for? If you hear if 542 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: you home studying because like in in in Nigerian households, 543 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: you must be a doctor, you must be a lawyer, 544 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: you must be an engineer like doctor, lawyer, engineer. That's it. 545 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: To all of a sudden, we're playing ball and my 546 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: parents like, what's what's this football thing? Like, what's what's this? 547 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: We ended up being good My brother and I and 548 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: the brother brother just finished year nine. He just signed 549 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: a contract with the four letters. We don't say them 550 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: over at Fox. We just say the four letters. You 551 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, But y'all know who they are. Not. 552 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: My brother sign contract with ESPN. So he's he's doing 553 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: this thing, making this transition. M m m. So now 554 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: even though you're you're the little brother, you got the 555 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: step up in this next space as he leaned on 556 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: you for anything. I played football before him too, and 557 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: he ends up being better than that plays nine years. 558 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: I'm in TV before him. If he ends up better 559 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: than me, that I'll be sick. Now he's the thing. 560 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: I'm out here running fast. You think, y'all, TV is 561 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 1: my thing? Like you know, when you know you're good 562 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: at something like y'all played fourteen years. Y'all both one 563 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: chips like y'all knew y'all step on the court came 564 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 1: nobody see you. Bro. We were talking to Stack on 565 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: the show the other day and we were talking about 566 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: the late great Kobe Bryant and Stack was like, hey, 567 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 1: McDonald's all American game, though, I like, you know what 568 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: I'm saying, like because when we talk like, y'all know, 569 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: that's y'all's thing. Hoops was y'all's thing. Now transition into 570 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: this space, it's y'all s thing, bro, and I get 571 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: in front of a camera, Yeah that's the thing. Yeah. 572 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 1: I remember we were both in New York for Get 573 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: Up and that was the first time I really met you. 574 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 1: I knew of you, but I met you and I 575 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 1: just saw your preparation, how you're on the iPad house 576 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: Like I was just like this, My motherfucker's nice over 577 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: here with it. And the next thing I know, he's 578 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: getting hired over his Fox Sports. I'm like, that's what's up. 579 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: I mean, he was if anybody was ready, he was 580 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: ready for it. That's it. It's all about knowing what 581 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: you I feel like life. Life is all about knowing 582 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: what you're good at and knowing what you're bad at 583 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: and lean into what you good? I suck at golf. 584 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 1: Who never, I've never played golf day in my life. 585 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 1: Well I tried it. Uh, those are like fun golfing places, 586 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 1: top golf. Never really played golf, stuck at it. But 587 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: I'm really good at TV man and now I'm just 588 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: like I'll lean into it. What was your introduction to sports? 589 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: Obviously coming from a Nigerian background that like you said, 590 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: you gave your your three goals or laid out before 591 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: you you can walk. So what was your introduction to sports? 592 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: Walter Payton was probably my introduction of sports. Now, he 593 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: played before I was even born. But I just remember 594 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: watching football highlights. So I taught myself how to play football. Um, 595 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: I watched YouTube videos. I watched YouTube videos of Derrick Johnson, 596 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: great Texas linebacker played for the Chiefs, watch YouTube videos 597 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: of Ray Lewis. Just taught myself. I taught myself a 598 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: lot of things, saw myself how to play the piano, 599 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: like I just I'll just watch and just okay, he 600 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: stepped here, he stepped here, he tackled like this. Okay, 601 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: go out there and do it. I'm just a master duplicator. 602 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: I'm not really good at a lot. I can just 603 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: imitate a lot, so I can listen to John Legend. 604 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: Can you regurgitate that sound? Okay? Get close enough? Great 605 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: um and so like my introduction was in eight years old, 606 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: in the fourth grade. I was watching highlights. I was like, yeah, 607 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: I want to try to play this. Play football, played basketball, 608 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: through discus and track. I was best at football, and 609 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: I just did the numbers. I don't know how y'all 610 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: made it to the league Brest hard Man the basketball numbers. 611 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: I don't know a fifteen men on the roster. I'm like, 612 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: it's crazy football. At least you do the math. You 613 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: got about a thousand casts in the league. Cool basketball, 614 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: but that's it. So I just started doing the math. 615 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: Plus I was like, I'm six to jump shot. It's 616 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: kind of like Janice's except six eleven. Yeah. I mean 617 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: we're both Nigerian. But my limitations, you know, like I 618 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: didn't get that he got that Nigerian. Plus that food 619 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: in Greece. I just got the not the rice and stew. 620 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: I guess the goat meat just didn't do it. I 621 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: had How did you parents support once they kind of 622 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: figured out you and your brother can actually play sport 623 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: us with trepidation hesitancy, like real talk. Give me the 624 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: definition of that which one trepidation. I've never heard that 625 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,719 Speaker 1: before in my life. Come on with it every now 626 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: and then. I use an s a T word, Bro, 627 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: I took you like twenty times, and I don't think 628 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: that was my name. Trepidation, just like with scared with 629 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: like with timidly hesitation. Because we weren't supposed to play sports. 630 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: My dad is five nine, my mom is five seven, 631 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: I'm six. Two of my brothers six three, So all 632 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: of a sudden they were just like, Okay, you're good 633 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: at something. And Nigerians are prideful, prideful, prideful people, and 634 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: so we're like, oh, y'all getting a lot of attention 635 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: now we we true story My brother got his first 636 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: scholarship off for USC because he's we sneak into an 637 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: invite only USC football camp from Texas. Didn't realize it 638 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: was invite only. We show up. My brother's sixth three 639 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: runs up four six forty in front of Pete Carroll 640 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: scholarship of fron Spot. When USC offers and you from Texas, 641 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: Texas is like, wait, we can't let this guy go 642 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: out of state. They offered my brother and then they 643 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: offered me after that. But like I went to bro 644 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: and all boys school. We wore uniform, gray slacks, white 645 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: button downs, probably number one private school in Texas. So 646 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: like super nerds. A kid at my school one the 647 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: National Spelling B like a kid about the grade above me. 648 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: When the National Spelling b stack, a kid in my 649 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: grade perfect on the S A T and a C 650 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: tect perfect one of kid nasal. So Bro, I felt 651 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: like an idiot, Like I was dumb dumb in high school. 652 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: I was a dumb jot. Then I got to college 653 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: and I was a genius. And so it was just 654 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: a man. I just I fit who people tell me 655 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: I am. That's what I was back then. You know 656 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it was mad. It was trying 657 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: to navigate who you were. Identity facts. What was your 658 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: high school experience like in Texas? Obviously that's known for 659 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: some of the best high school football around. What was 660 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: that experience like those Friday night games? Nothing like it 661 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: in Texas. Man, it's different. It's different life. It's life 662 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: like even at private school is different. Um, it's everything 663 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: coming on Friday every lebra It's everything like it really 664 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: is an obsession. And even like hoops too to a degree. 665 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: Like I remember we played a game at Maverick Stadium 666 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: and Duncanville was Duncanville, a huge basketball school was playing 667 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: UM some other school and Brandon Jennings went on the squad. 668 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: I think Brandon Jennings number ten overall picked to the 669 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: Bucks back in the gap. He went to China for 670 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: a year and then play in the NBA. They was 671 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: playing in Dallas and we filled up, they filled up 672 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: the American Airline Center. It's a high school squad and 673 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: so like it's just it's different. Man, in sports town, 674 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: you live and breath for breathe for state championships. Man, 675 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,239 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, It's wild. What was it 676 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: like to be a three sport varsity athlete? A you're 677 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: talking to me or him? Definitely him, because I was too. 678 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: Were you three football? Basketball? Baseball? Basketball? This is my 679 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: first time here in the baseball ship? I know, did 680 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: you play? Basically a couple of people in here that 681 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: I knew. I knew you was you know, centerfield basketball? Yeah, 682 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: just travel basketball picked up so I stopped playing, so 683 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: not I know what I call you plage. Bro, what 684 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: I called you guys, you was calling it baseball to 685 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: know and now it's not racial. Understand I understood it's 686 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: not racial America. Don't find him. Uh nah, bro, it 687 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: was cool. Like in all honesty, sports or what keep 688 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: me going. You know, sports are just that's what energizes me. 689 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: I was I was good enough at basketball. I wasn't great. 690 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: I was really good at track and discus. I was 691 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: really it's a technical thing. I was really good at track. Um, 692 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: but football I was so raw. I knew I could 693 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: be good and I was. I was never the biggest, 694 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: never the smartest, but I was like, I'm either gonna 695 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: be the biggest, the fastest, excuse me, or I'll be 696 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: the smartest. And I was never the biggest or the fastest. 697 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: But I was like, Okay, people don't realize and y'all 698 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: get this. Man, sports you gotta be smart. It's high. Yeah, 699 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: Like people don't. You have about ninety plays on a 700 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: football field during the game, you take about thirty of 701 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: the men and adjustments based on a receiver motioning and moving, 702 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 1: especially as a middle linebacker, you have to be brilliant. 703 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: Like people don't get it. People don't respect athletes intellectual 704 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: and intellectually enough, you gotta be brilliant. Um. So that 705 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: was that was the experience man playing football in Texas. 706 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: Was there any chance that you would go somewhere else 707 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 1: for college brought? Not a chance? Bro never never never. 708 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,839 Speaker 1: Texas we were nice. But remember we have Vince Young 709 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: was oh five, I went to Texas and oh eight, 710 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: So there was no no, I mean you go you 711 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: you play football in Texas? To go to Texas? You 712 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like you, you don't even fix 713 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: your lips to think about going. And I'm not even 714 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: one of those like crazy die hard alums. I'm just 715 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: like Texas Texas. There was a standard talk to us 716 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 1: about that experience actually being a long home though first 717 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 1: years one crazy we was twenty four and one. The 718 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,399 Speaker 1: first two years, I didn't lose a game. Quarterback two 719 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 1: time Himan finalists, winning is college football quarterback when he retired. 720 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: When he left college, we went, We went, and we 721 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: lost one game my first year, and then we ran 722 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: the table my second year till we got to the 723 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: national championship and lost Obama. Funny enough, we were Obama's 724 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,720 Speaker 1: beginning of their streak gonna beat us in the national Championship, 725 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: mark Ingram Julio Jones and they go on to win 726 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: seven of the last god knows how many. But m bro, 727 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: when you're winning at Texas, I mean, don't get me started. 728 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: Ain't nothing like nothing. So what you talk to me about? 729 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: This though on some other ship, being in such a 730 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: strict household and then kind of gaining some sort of 731 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: freedom and you're a young man in Texas now you're 732 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 1: on a winning football team. What's that like to you? 733 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 1: Because you were so confined in one space and now 734 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: you're somewhat free and you're on top of the world. Man, 735 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: that's good. Bro. They say when you go to college, 736 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: at least when you go to Austin six, it's gonna 737 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 1: make or break you. You know what I'm saying, Like 738 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,240 Speaker 1: when you now you're away from home, it's either gonna 739 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 1: make or break you. Um, I don't think it broke me. 740 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: You know, it was cool being away from home. The 741 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: thing about it, though, I have my big brother there. 742 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,839 Speaker 1: He's one year older than me, and so I think 743 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: he made all the mistakes for me, and he knew 744 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: just how far I could go before reeling me back 745 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: in um and The big thing was just like don't 746 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,359 Speaker 1: make the pivotal mistake. You know, have fun, live your 747 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: best life, but keep your grades up, don't get suspended, 748 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: don't do nothing wild, and like, for really, if if 749 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 1: you're Nigerian, it's like, don't embarrass your last name. Right, 750 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,879 Speaker 1: there's the saying you'll probably heard with Nigerian's not John 751 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: know that caddy last, Nigiohn No, that caddy last. Nigerians 752 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: don't carry last, like you can't finish the last and 753 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,839 Speaker 1: all that is and kind of Nigerian culture is like 754 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: you gotta be the best. And so I didn't really 755 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: have that luxury of just doing whatever because it's like 756 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,720 Speaker 1: you gotta be the best at whatever you do. Plus, 757 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 1: my freaking brother was there. He was a genius. He 758 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: was an academic All American, he was an athletic All 759 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: American playing Basketball's worst thing ever happening to me. Every 760 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: time I would get the ball and dribble, I would 761 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 1: just hear shad oh, shad oh, because they're like you're 762 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,320 Speaker 1: living in your brother's shadow. So I was like, oh god, um, 763 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 1: so yeah, that was that was college. Man, what's the 764 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 1: most memorable moment on the field. That's a question. That's 765 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:25,760 Speaker 1: a question. Ye, that's a question. UM, my senior year 766 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,879 Speaker 1: at Missouri. This is how I ended up a third 767 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: team All American senior at Missouri. UM, the field was terrible. 768 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: Bro our captain running back towards M C L A 769 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,919 Speaker 1: C L pcl earlier in the game, star linebacker next 770 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 1: to me, Keenan Robinson. He got drafted to Washington in 771 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,399 Speaker 1: the fourth round. He broke his thumb, and he broke 772 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 1: his thumb, but it broke out of the glove. Like 773 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: the thumb was no longer in the glove. And that's 774 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: my dog, Like Keenan was my dog. I was in 775 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,439 Speaker 1: his wedding all that. So Star linebacker Tears was holding 776 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: up Keenan's thumb is out of his glove. He runs 777 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: off the field, darning the play. He's like, ref, ref, 778 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 1: my thumb, my thumb. He runs off the field during 779 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 1: the play. I sit there. The ref doesn't stop the game. Um, 780 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: they throw a now screen. I run over to the 781 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: now screen. I forced the fumble. I see my team recovery. 782 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:12,720 Speaker 1: I don't even wait for the ref to singal recovery, 783 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 1: and I just run off to the sideline to check 784 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: on my dog. That was the most memorable. Like he 785 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: got hurt, ref didn't stop to play. They throw a bubble, 786 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 1: I forced a fumble, don't even care about the ball. 787 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: I see my other little young bro recovered and I 788 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: just from like, hey, what happened to keenan? Um? That 789 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 1: was that was wild? Yeah, that was the most valuable 790 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 1: takeaway from your four years as a long horn. Most 791 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 1: valuable takeaway. Um, you have to be consistently good to 792 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: be great. Mm hmm. You gotta be consistently good to 793 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,479 Speaker 1: be Everybody wants to be great, but what's being great? 794 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: Looked like? Being great looks like being consistently good. You 795 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: turn on it. You turn on a tube every day, 796 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,839 Speaker 1: and if you watch, speak for yourself like, oh he's good. 797 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: The next day, Oh he's good. It's kind of good, 798 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,279 Speaker 1: the next it's kind of good. All of the stuff. 799 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: It's like, you know what, because might be great. You 800 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,320 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, you gotta be consistently good 801 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: to be great. Stack. When I was playing ball, I 802 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,800 Speaker 1: knew the normal plays would come to me, but I 803 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: would try to find one to two highlight plays a game, 804 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 1: right if they line up in a certain offset formation. 805 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 1: I know exactly what they're gonna do. I'm gonna make 806 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 1: the big playing tax for loss sacks something like that. Um. 807 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: And now I take the same thing on TV every block, 808 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: every conversation. I know it's gonna be I but you 809 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: gotta find the one quotable sound bite that makes somebody 810 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,319 Speaker 1: like you said stop twice and say, hey, y'all, make 811 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 1: sure go run that back. Um. You gotta be consistently 812 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: good to be great. You said something off off camera 813 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: now that since you talked about, you know, kind of 814 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: finding your magic um in this space now that I 815 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: thought was really interesting because you know, although you know, 816 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 1: our job is to talk sports, for the most part, 817 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 1: not everyone is interested in sports. So you try to find, 818 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: well exploit I don't want to I'm gonna take your 819 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,320 Speaker 1: words from you, but explain that. Yeah, man, not everybody 820 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: cares about sports, but everybody cares about life. And so 821 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 1: I really just use sports as a man ask arraid 822 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: to get to the root of life because everybody wants 823 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 1: to talk life. Everybody had an opinion about Shaky Richardson. 824 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,799 Speaker 1: Nobody knew Shaky Richardson was before three weeks ago. I 825 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,439 Speaker 1: did because I watched sports and I walk track, watch track. 826 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: But now everybody ride for Shaky. I'm like, what college 827 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: she go to y'all since y'all ride for us so hard. 828 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: But everybody cares about life because the marijuana issue is 829 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: a life issue. Naomio saka. Not everybody knows who Naomi is. 830 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: But everybody has mental health issues or has somebody who 831 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 1: has one, and we all do a degree do right, 832 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: like we all can work on our mental health. So 833 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 1: sports to me is just a it's an avenue to 834 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: get to life because life is a vehicle there it is. 835 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: It's a vehicle to get to life. Everybody cares about life. 836 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: Not everybody cares about your favorite team. You know like that? 837 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 1: I like that. So drafted sixth rail and two thousand twelve. 838 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 1: And obviously I caught what you said earlier in the interview. 839 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,759 Speaker 1: It was calculated. You had kind of taken your calculations 840 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: and understand who you were as a football player. You 841 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: have that for your run three years, four years run 842 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 1: um and was ready for what was next. But in 843 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: that for your run, what stood out to you the most? Bro? 844 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,400 Speaker 1: When I got traded, Because when you got traded, you 845 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 1: you just think that's a video game. You know what 846 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,399 Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, oh, you trade people on video game, 847 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: not a big deal. I'm in Cleveland my first year. 848 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: They drafted me and I get the athletic trainer comes 849 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 1: in and it gives me like the handshake pad on 850 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 1: the bag. I'm like, hell like that. It's been nice. 851 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: Know when you y'all know that I wasn't the good old. 852 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: I had to the to the general manager had coaches office, 853 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, I just want to notify you 854 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,319 Speaker 1: you've been traded to the Philadelphia Eagles. I'm trying to 855 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 1: hide my JUBI League because I'm like, get me the 856 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,240 Speaker 1: hell out of Cleveland, Like, we've got to go to Philly. 857 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 1: They got Lashawn McCoy out there, Mike Vick out there 858 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 1: like some real stars. UM. Craziest thing though, like your 859 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,919 Speaker 1: flights in three hours? I left bro when you got traded, y'all. 860 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if y'a was traded when you got 861 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,360 Speaker 1: traded flights in three hours. I went to Philly. I 862 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,879 Speaker 1: didn't go back to Cleveland for five years. Somebody packed 863 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 1: up my stuff, they moved it. I get to Philly, 864 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,440 Speaker 1: I stay in a hotel and it's it's like, you're 865 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: just good you're just packaged good. So that was probably 866 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: the craziest and most memorable thing of the four years. Man, 867 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 1: it was a wild was did you know that sports 868 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: media stepping into this space was something you wanted to 869 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 1: do or to just kind of falling your lap and 870 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 1: fell in my lap? Man, I do what I'm good at. 871 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,759 Speaker 1: I told people, I'm like, if I was great at math, 872 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 1: i'd be an accountant. You feel me Like, if I 873 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 1: was very gracious, i might be a secretary. But I'm 874 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 1: a good communicator. Um, And I study it and I 875 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 1: work at it, and I'm just good at putting words together. 876 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,600 Speaker 1: It kind of fell in my lap or even even 877 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 1: uncomfortable conversations like y'all realize people move to l a 878 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 1: just to creative video and hopes that it goes viral 879 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,799 Speaker 1: and hopes it Oprah calls them and hopes that they 880 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,799 Speaker 1: get nominated for an Emmy and hopes that they win. 881 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: People sell their whole lives and dreams to do that. 882 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 1: And I stumbled into it, you know what I'm saying, 883 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: Like I tripped and fell into it, and so I 884 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:57,960 Speaker 1: just do what I'm good at, And like I said, 885 00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,760 Speaker 1: I'm bad at a lot like don't get it twisted 886 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,799 Speaker 1: and bad at a lot um, but I know what 887 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,360 Speaker 1: I'm good at and I leaned into that, tripped and 888 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,439 Speaker 1: fell into a few things and much our support bills 889 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 1: are crazy now it's sick. What was it like joining 890 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 1: the Longhoun Network as analysts? It was cool. I had 891 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,360 Speaker 1: to transition, you know what I'm saying. I wanted to 892 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,360 Speaker 1: get to you know, the highest of heights and whatnot. 893 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 1: And I knew at the end of the day sports 894 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,359 Speaker 1: since in my end all be all and I think 895 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,239 Speaker 1: y'all know that, Like y'all wrapped with me enough on 896 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,239 Speaker 1: camera off camera to know that. But Longhoun Network was 897 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,319 Speaker 1: a vehicle to be great. Like everybody wants to have 898 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,799 Speaker 1: success without the process. Everybody does everybody. It's crazy how 899 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,719 Speaker 1: many people just want to have success without the process. Um, 900 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,760 Speaker 1: But that for me was the process refining your skills. 901 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,879 Speaker 1: And now when you're talking in front of millions, I've 902 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: been doing this so like I'm humbled because I was 903 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 1: giving that opportunity and stack if not for that opportunity, 904 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out my life after I retire. 905 00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,279 Speaker 1: So it was dope. So you had, you know, pits 906 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 1: us for ESPN Dallas boys, that the network we talked 907 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: about June. Um, you're not sure leaving the ESPN to 908 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:13,319 Speaker 1: join Fox? How did that happen? Man? How did that happen? Honestly, honestly, here, 909 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,000 Speaker 1: if I'll be real and I'll be real solid smoke, 910 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 1: you'll get the real. Um. I was told my name 911 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,279 Speaker 1: is not big enough? What I was told in the 912 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,440 Speaker 1: ESPN circles? Yeah, by by bye, I was told your 913 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,319 Speaker 1: name is not big enough. I want I wanted to 914 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,200 Speaker 1: move from where I was. I wanted to move to 915 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: higher to higher programming, and UM, I talked to an 916 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 1: exact there and they were like, essentially, people watched this 917 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,960 Speaker 1: certain show for big names, and your name is not 918 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,239 Speaker 1: big enough. And then five months later my name was 919 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,839 Speaker 1: like the biggest in sports. Um, but that's neither here 920 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,640 Speaker 1: nor there. So bro, I'm so petty too, Um the 921 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 1: pettiest moment, So I know when the pettiest. Um. Now, 922 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,920 Speaker 1: mind you all. Like the people that worked at ESPN 923 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,840 Speaker 1: were great, good to me, like they were good to 924 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 1: your boy, and a honestly, the person who told me 925 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,240 Speaker 1: my name is not big enough, I low key respect 926 00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 1: them because they were just transparent. They were like Hey, 927 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,400 Speaker 1: it's no eight. It's just you're not a gold jacket guy, 928 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,840 Speaker 1: and we need gold jacket guys more than anything. So 929 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 1: I was like, it's all love. But when I left, 930 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 1: I left with a rap video thanking everybody at ESPN. UM, 931 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,440 Speaker 1: and I did it in this like high quality studio 932 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,400 Speaker 1: production and it was like a fifty second video changing 933 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,719 Speaker 1: out fists and it was just like that's fire. Got 934 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,040 Speaker 1: a million views and I had no followers. Um, and 935 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,480 Speaker 1: so like I left wrapping thinking them because I had 936 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 1: to leave with class. Um. And yeah, ESPN was good 937 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: to me, man, and it gave me my start. Um, 938 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,400 Speaker 1: but that's really Foxes dough. Though. I got a billboard 939 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,480 Speaker 1: with a billboard and I actually look good on It's crazy. 940 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,880 Speaker 1: I don't know how it happens. Stumbled into a good 941 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,080 Speaker 1: looking photo shop. Um, but I got a billboard like 942 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:49,480 Speaker 1: foxes dope. Speak for yourself. What's that been? Like? It's 943 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,160 Speaker 1: challenging because that be on the joint. He knows like 944 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,680 Speaker 1: I'll be up there arguing with Marcellus every day. Um, enjoyed. 945 00:45:55,719 --> 00:46:00,400 Speaker 1: It's been cool. Marcellis my my big bro, my co host. Um, 946 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,040 Speaker 1: he's older than me. The hardest part to Speak for 947 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,960 Speaker 1: yourself is trying to keep up with the movie references 948 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 1: because I was born in ninety and marceli is. First off, 949 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,719 Speaker 1: he was quoting like raw and delirious Eddie Murphy never saw. 950 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,320 Speaker 1: I had to watch him in the middle of in 951 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,200 Speaker 1: the middle of the season because he's quoting Eddie Murphy. 952 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:14,920 Speaker 1: I was like, I know Eddie Murphy from like the 953 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:21,560 Speaker 1: Nutty Professor, like Comedian den still like quote all these 954 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,600 Speaker 1: old school songs I never heard of. But Speak is dope, 955 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,279 Speaker 1: especially when we bring on Cats like Stack. The biggest thing, 956 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,719 Speaker 1: the biggest compliments Stack pays and Cats pay is you'll 957 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,719 Speaker 1: make me laugh doing the show because you can go 958 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,759 Speaker 1: on other shows and it's buttoned up and it's the stiffest. 959 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,200 Speaker 1: But like, when you come on Speak, you're gonna talk 960 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:40,880 Speaker 1: to one of the guys, just like you're back in 961 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,880 Speaker 1: the locker room. We don't get the real out of you, 962 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,759 Speaker 1: like I don't want to hear like well, you know, 963 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,360 Speaker 1: when I watched Steph Curry play, it's just very enlightening 964 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,560 Speaker 1: because you know he's just such a no no, no, no 965 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,719 Speaker 1: no no. When you come on the show, I want 966 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,880 Speaker 1: the real Stack that the world see, just without the 967 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,880 Speaker 1: curse words. We can pay the bills, but outside you 968 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,560 Speaker 1: that much. No more it though I heard him cuss 969 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,880 Speaker 1: in a minute. To be honest, i've you put the 970 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,080 Speaker 1: weed down in the cust wards down said you change man. 971 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,960 Speaker 1: Better you than me. Somebody had to do it. Um. 972 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,399 Speaker 1: For those who don't know, tell us, obviously, you told 973 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,839 Speaker 1: us how uncomfortable conversation with the black man came about. 974 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,000 Speaker 1: But tell us what the show is man, Uncomfortable conversation 975 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,120 Speaker 1: with a black man. It is just a the biggest 976 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,560 Speaker 1: disconnect in our society, I think, between black and non 977 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,399 Speaker 1: black people or white people communication. Bro. So let's let's 978 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:33,800 Speaker 1: go back to high school. Matt. Let's go back to 979 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,640 Speaker 1: high school. Stack. Remember when you have to take a 980 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,799 Speaker 1: foreign language, your Spanish teacher, they would tell you, if 981 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,520 Speaker 1: you want to be fluent in the language, you have 982 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,000 Speaker 1: to immerse yourself in the culture. See real talk. My 983 00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:58,799 Speaker 1: name is Manuelito Um in Spanish class a little bit, 984 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,719 Speaker 1: but go ahead. I took my years. You're not gonna 985 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,960 Speaker 1: play me anyway. But I was immersed in white culture 986 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,960 Speaker 1: in high school. I was immersed in black culture in 987 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,759 Speaker 1: college and in later on in high school and in 988 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 1: the league. So I realized there's a communication barrier, So 989 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,279 Speaker 1: all uncomfortable conversations is what the black men is. I'm 990 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,359 Speaker 1: going to answer the questions that white people are either 991 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,000 Speaker 1: too scared to ask A or B don't have a 992 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,600 Speaker 1: black friend to ask too. So the first episode, I 993 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,640 Speaker 1: answered why can black people say the N word but 994 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,480 Speaker 1: white people can't? Why are black people rioting? What is 995 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,200 Speaker 1: white privilege? But what about black on black crime in Chicago? 996 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,640 Speaker 1: Because I know white people have those questions generally speaking, 997 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,920 Speaker 1: because I was in those white spaces. But they're not 998 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,640 Speaker 1: gonna go ask Stack, Hey man, how come y'all can say? 999 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,480 Speaker 1: Then where but we can't. They're gonna do that if 1000 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,960 Speaker 1: they know Stack at all. They're not gonna go ask Matt. Okay, 1001 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,359 Speaker 1: but why are your rioting? So it's like, you know what, 1002 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,920 Speaker 1: let me preemptively answer those questions. Every episode after that 1003 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,200 Speaker 1: touches a different issue inter racially, Like I talked to 1004 00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:56,120 Speaker 1: a couple white man, black woman, black man, white woman, 1005 00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,640 Speaker 1: same episode, because they're different racial stereotypes. You see a 1006 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,960 Speaker 1: black and with a white woman, you know, it's it's 1007 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,959 Speaker 1: a little more socially acceptable than if you see a 1008 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,839 Speaker 1: woman with a white man. You see a black woman 1009 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:12,080 Speaker 1: with a white man. You kind of like, you know 1010 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,520 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I just tried to touch to 1011 00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,160 Speaker 1: talk to a commissioner of the NFL about Colin Kaepernick. Like, 1012 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,680 Speaker 1: here's the other thing, man, and this is my approach. 1013 00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,040 Speaker 1: But everybody has different approaches for everything. I would rather 1014 00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,319 Speaker 1: be like a covert operative. Let me change something from 1015 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,120 Speaker 1: the inside out, like a CIA agent. You feel me 1016 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,920 Speaker 1: go to a foreign country, mix and mingo and then 1017 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,759 Speaker 1: change things. I want an apology to Kaepernick. You can 1018 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,040 Speaker 1: tweet it all day, Probably best you sit down with 1019 00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,200 Speaker 1: the commissioner of the NFL. That's why people knocked my 1020 00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,080 Speaker 1: approach because they get mad at me for like being 1021 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,640 Speaker 1: too nice to white people and being too friendly. I'm like, 1022 00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,360 Speaker 1: if you want to change something, you gotta speak to minds, 1023 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,399 Speaker 1: you gotta speak to hearts. You know what I'm saying. Yes, 1024 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,719 Speaker 1: it's crazy because similar me being by racial but when 1025 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,439 Speaker 1: I first grew up, I was around nothing but black 1026 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,480 Speaker 1: Mexican Asian, and when I moved to Sacramento, although I'm 1027 00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,000 Speaker 1: half Italian, i was the first time I was ever 1028 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,200 Speaker 1: around white kids. And my parents always had the wherewith 1029 00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 1: all to put me in the white schools, and I 1030 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,000 Speaker 1: hated it, but I didn't understand it until I got older. 1031 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,840 Speaker 1: And now I can comfortably move in cold conversations in 1032 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,640 Speaker 1: several different rooms because of that. That's the secret. That's 1033 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,960 Speaker 1: until again, now having a conversation with black people about things, 1034 00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,239 Speaker 1: until you know, we continue to evolve as a society 1035 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,120 Speaker 1: where our black brothers and sisters are really in hiring 1036 00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:29,319 Speaker 1: and firing power and positions in society kind of incubated 1037 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,160 Speaker 1: in and of itself. You better learn how to navigate 1038 00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,760 Speaker 1: and communicate with everybody. You better learn it. Like the secret, 1039 00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,320 Speaker 1: Matt is, like you said, you can be in navigating 1040 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,040 Speaker 1: these spaces and you can go navigating these other spaces. 1041 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:42,920 Speaker 1: That's the secret. Like the biggest thing I got from 1042 00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,400 Speaker 1: private school wasn't my education. It was being able to 1043 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,799 Speaker 1: be around billionaire white people and not feel lesser than 1044 00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:53,239 Speaker 1: everybody accountable. M HM said, what's it like being cool 1045 00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:59,640 Speaker 1: with Oprah? Your's wild? And the crazy thing is like, 1046 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,440 Speaker 1: whenever I talked to Oprah, she'd just be trying to talk. 1047 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,960 Speaker 1: I called Oprah one day before talking to the commissioner 1048 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,840 Speaker 1: of the NFL, and I'm sitting in my house that 1049 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,399 Speaker 1: she actually answered the first time he called to I've 1050 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,959 Speaker 1: missed more of Oprah's calls then she's missed of mine. 1051 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,240 Speaker 1: It's crazy, but she just we talked for like forty 1052 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,120 Speaker 1: seven minutes, and she'll just start talking and just start going. 1053 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,839 Speaker 1: And I don't like taking people's times, especially important people, 1054 00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,759 Speaker 1: because I know how valuable my time is. So like 1055 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,359 Speaker 1: when I'm talking to Oprah, I'll just let her go 1056 00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,040 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'll be trying to get off the phone, 1057 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,680 Speaker 1: but she'll just have another gem for me. When I 1058 00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,200 Speaker 1: first met her, I emailed and I said, Hey, what 1059 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,000 Speaker 1: do you want me to call you, your honor, your majesty, 1060 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,920 Speaker 1: oh Oprah, And she's like, call me Oprah. Because if 1061 00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,319 Speaker 1: you don't know what to call somebody, you don't really 1062 00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,640 Speaker 1: know him, you know what I'm saying. Um, Like if 1063 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,600 Speaker 1: people come up to you and call you like Mr Jackson, 1064 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,480 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So that's um, it's crazy, bro. Also, 1065 00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,120 Speaker 1: like Oprah is the greatest that ever did it like 1066 00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,680 Speaker 1: Oprah's and Michael Jordan's you know what I mean. Like 1067 00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:04,200 Speaker 1: and so black woman who's a billionaire like and everything 1068 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,920 Speaker 1: and everyone Oprah touches turns to gold, you know, what 1069 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,759 Speaker 1: I mean, whether Rachel Ray rather Dr Phil, whether doctor 1070 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:15,239 Speaker 1: Ross to a degree like, see, I'm not gonna play 1071 00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:19,520 Speaker 1: with you. I'm you're not gonna get me in trouble. Okay, 1072 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,239 Speaker 1: you're not gonna mess up my coins. Um So, now 1073 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,239 Speaker 1: Oprah's incredible. I don't blow her up often, but when 1074 00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,879 Speaker 1: I when I need her, all reach out. And what's 1075 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,000 Speaker 1: one gym you don't mind sharing with us? That she 1076 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,359 Speaker 1: said that kind of really opened your eyes several. The 1077 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:42,919 Speaker 1: only question you should ask everyone first? What is your intention? 1078 00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,399 Speaker 1: When I sat in this chair, the really the first 1079 00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,680 Speaker 1: thing y'all should have asked. Let Oprah tell you is 1080 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,880 Speaker 1: a man, what's your intention for this conversation? Because when 1081 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,480 Speaker 1: you know somebody's intention, you can help guide the conversation. 1082 00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,440 Speaker 1: When I sat down the host of Bachelor after the 1083 00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,719 Speaker 1: final rows, I said, Hey, what's your intention? I talked 1084 00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,560 Speaker 1: to the first black Bachelor, but four went out there, 1085 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,240 Speaker 1: Hey what's your intention? I need to know your intention. 1086 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,160 Speaker 1: The other thing that's just interesting and also probably help 1087 00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,160 Speaker 1: you all some time down the line. Oprah was telling 1088 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,200 Speaker 1: me this person came on her show trying to sell 1089 00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,360 Speaker 1: a book, and because they were trying to sell this book, 1090 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,000 Speaker 1: every ten seconds, they would bring up the book. Yeah, Oprah, 1091 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,480 Speaker 1: thanks for asking me about life, but I'm writing this book. 1092 00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,919 Speaker 1: Yeah no, Oprah, I really think Political Landscape is great, 1093 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,680 Speaker 1: but my book. So after that, she was like every 1094 00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,839 Speaker 1: guest that would come on trying to sell something. He said, 1095 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,799 Speaker 1: I'll sell the book. You don't worry about I have 1096 00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,960 Speaker 1: the book. You don't worry about selling the book. I 1097 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:37,600 Speaker 1: will do that. Let's have a conversation, um the other 1098 00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:43,280 Speaker 1: thing man. In all honesty, I people just tell me, Okay, 1099 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,239 Speaker 1: here's I'll tell you my only my greatest Oprah story. 1100 00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,440 Speaker 1: After I did my app open and I did U 1101 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,560 Speaker 1: some show together, the Oprah conversation made uncomfortable conversation for 1102 00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,040 Speaker 1: Apple TV. She calls me as soon as it's done. 1103 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:57,759 Speaker 1: It's an hour long conversation. I missed the phone call. 1104 00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,680 Speaker 1: How do we miss oph his call? She calls me again. 1105 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,520 Speaker 1: I pick up. She says, you have the thing to 1106 00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,680 Speaker 1: my friend, you have the thing, and coming from someone 1107 00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,040 Speaker 1: who had the thing and has the thing, you my friend, 1108 00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,440 Speaker 1: you you have the thing. And I was like, yo 1109 00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,600 Speaker 1: as wild, but I gotta figure out what the thing is. Well, 1110 00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,520 Speaker 1: I don't know whether what does somebody tell me, what 1111 00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,480 Speaker 1: is the thing? Um? And she said, you have the 1112 00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:22,000 Speaker 1: ability to tell people about themselves, but they want to 1113 00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,839 Speaker 1: hear more as you do it. And I think that 1114 00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,239 Speaker 1: was kind of Oprah's trick. Oprah had an ability to 1115 00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,279 Speaker 1: make everyone just kind of feel safe and comfortable. Now, 1116 00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,720 Speaker 1: I still got to sharpen my sword, sharpen my tools 1117 00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,279 Speaker 1: when I when I did The Bachelor, I ran out 1118 00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,960 Speaker 1: of tools during a moment, so I still got to 1119 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,480 Speaker 1: refine those with like Oprah's just she's a genius? Is 1120 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:52,320 Speaker 1: a genius? Was it a perfect time for a Black Bachelor? 1121 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,080 Speaker 1: This leads to another conversation that I don't know if 1122 00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:00,520 Speaker 1: we'll have, but realistically, remember they had the Black Bachelor, 1123 00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,160 Speaker 1: probably in response to society. It's called spadeus bade. Matt 1124 00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:08,120 Speaker 1: James has never this conversation offline. We can have it 1125 00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:12,320 Speaker 1: online we have wherever um, Matt James hadn't been associated 1126 00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,960 Speaker 1: with the franchise the first Black Bachelor, So how you 1127 00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,600 Speaker 1: have the first lead of a show ever that hasn't 1128 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,440 Speaker 1: been associated with the franchise. But I think it was 1129 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:26,440 Speaker 1: probably just like a rash decision. Understandably, so a lot 1130 00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,520 Speaker 1: of people made rash decisions in response to the murder 1131 00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,480 Speaker 1: of George Floyd. But I don't think it was fully 1132 00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:36,680 Speaker 1: thought through, and obviously we saw what happened as a result. 1133 00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:43,160 Speaker 1: Favorite NBA teams are players to watch. Man, Come on, man, 1134 00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,879 Speaker 1: don't get him start. I can answer that for which 1135 00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,120 Speaker 1: one Greek freak? Okay? First off, he's not Greek. That's 1136 00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:50,480 Speaker 1: that's what they call us. What they call him because 1137 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:56,520 Speaker 1: they can't say his last name Kubo Okay, so jest 1138 00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,759 Speaker 1: is truly birth certificate Nigeria. He moves to Greece, they 1139 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,560 Speaker 1: have change his name to Greek. Defyatt. Now, we don't 1140 00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,480 Speaker 1: like pronouncing long last names, as we've noticed on are recently, 1141 00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:10,120 Speaker 1: and as a result, as a result, we just call 1142 00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:14,840 Speaker 1: him the Greek freak. Uh nah, honestly Lebron James Steph Curry. 1143 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,440 Speaker 1: But but bump all that. I love excellence. I love 1144 00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,120 Speaker 1: watching excellence. Anybody who's excellented anything. One of the dopest 1145 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,760 Speaker 1: concerts everyone to two of them. A Taylor Swift concert, 1146 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,120 Speaker 1: Wild bro Let Me Tell You and Kevin Hart Comedy 1147 00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:30,960 Speaker 1: and Show Let me tell you why I walk into 1148 00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,880 Speaker 1: the Taylor Swift Concert'm not even a Taylor Swift fan, 1149 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,279 Speaker 1: but I'm just like, how the hell does the whole 1150 00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,959 Speaker 1: world love this woman? Who's I mean, I'm not gonna 1151 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,360 Speaker 1: speak on her attraction level, but who's just like, seems 1152 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,880 Speaker 1: very normal, sings very normal. How the heck does everybody 1153 00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,160 Speaker 1: love her? I gotta find out that I'm trying to 1154 00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,440 Speaker 1: figure out her secret. I walk in. They hand everybody wristband. 1155 00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,160 Speaker 1: She's in, uh Philadelphia Stadium because she grew up in 1156 00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,480 Speaker 1: reading Pennsylvania. Right out the p a. They hand everybody 1157 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,200 Speaker 1: a wristband as soon as she she's doing her whole set. 1158 00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,879 Speaker 1: As soon as she starts singing bad Blood, the song 1159 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,360 Speaker 1: with Kendrick Lamar, whole stadium lights up red and white 1160 00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,200 Speaker 1: because the wrist bands were coordinated to the set. So 1161 00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,200 Speaker 1: now when I go on there, if I know it's 1162 00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,160 Speaker 1: going to be a serious show, my outfit is coordinated 1163 00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,000 Speaker 1: to my mantra, my persona. If I know it's gonna 1164 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,040 Speaker 1: be a loose show, I'll go on with glasses and 1165 00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,440 Speaker 1: a vest and a tie not tied all the way up. 1166 00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,640 Speaker 1: Because everything has to communicate together. So I didn't go 1167 00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,040 Speaker 1: to a Taylor Swift concert just to listen to Taylor Swift. 1168 00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,320 Speaker 1: But what can I learn from her because she's clearly 1169 00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,520 Speaker 1: she's clearly excellent. Kevin Hart, people say he's not funny anymore. 1170 00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,480 Speaker 1: You know, you can have that conversation, but he's clearly excellent. 1171 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:37,880 Speaker 1: So what can I learn from somebody excellent? So as 1172 00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,680 Speaker 1: it pretends to basketball? Lebron because he's excellent, Steph, because 1173 00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:47,800 Speaker 1: he's excellent. I just love watching excellence. Thoughts on this playoffs, man, 1174 00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:55,040 Speaker 1: look bro First and foremost, this year was and this 1175 00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,760 Speaker 1: year was affected drastically because of last year because the 1176 00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,920 Speaker 1: season was so short. Right, Never in NBA history have 1177 00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,360 Speaker 1: four teams who went to the finals a year before 1178 00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,160 Speaker 1: returned and been this slow of a seed when the 1179 00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,600 Speaker 1: four teams who go to the finals returned the next year, 1180 00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,320 Speaker 1: on average, Matt, they are a two seed. Really the 1181 00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:14,840 Speaker 1: two point seven, so we can round down to a 1182 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,520 Speaker 1: three seed. This year, on average they were a sixth seed. 1183 00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,439 Speaker 1: It's not coincidence. Cast is tired. The cast is hurt. 1184 00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:22,720 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. When you see Kauai get 1185 00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,080 Speaker 1: hurt off a minimal contact injury, when you see uh 1186 00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,320 Speaker 1: Harden with his hamstrings again, when you see Jamal Murray 1187 00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,680 Speaker 1: off a no contact injury, cast is hurt. And so 1188 00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:34,480 Speaker 1: I like, I just told you I like watching excellence. 1189 00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,200 Speaker 1: I want to see everybody at their best. We didn't 1190 00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,320 Speaker 1: get to see that this year. You know what I'm saying, Like, 1191 00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,000 Speaker 1: are the two teams that are in the NBA Finals 1192 00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,800 Speaker 1: the best two teams? Or were they just the healthiest 1193 00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,160 Speaker 1: two teams? You feel me because I want to see 1194 00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:48,960 Speaker 1: the best, no indictment on them. Shout out to the 1195 00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,600 Speaker 1: sun Set out to the Bucks. But like, did we 1196 00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,120 Speaker 1: really get to see the best this year? I'm not 1197 00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:58,080 Speaker 1: convinced the Milwaukee was that close from having their start injury. 1198 00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:02,040 Speaker 1: But he just built different. Fact, y'all know that Cody 1199 00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,560 Speaker 1: last Yeah, I told you now, he's just be He 1200 00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,360 Speaker 1: just build different. But it's not to the people that 1201 00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:11,600 Speaker 1: can have a hyperstated k need come back. Y. No, Look, 1202 00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,880 Speaker 1: y'all don't remember an X men. They went to Nigeria 1203 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,120 Speaker 1: and they went and found and to Mantium. Are you saying, 1204 00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:19,240 Speaker 1: oh my god, how do you think he came back 1205 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,200 Speaker 1: in the weeks? That hey thing came back in a week. 1206 00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,440 Speaker 1: They then came back in a week and he got 1207 00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,840 Speaker 1: hurt in Atlanta. Atlanta has direct flights on Delta straight 1208 00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,720 Speaker 1: to Lego, straight to Legos direct. I take it every summer. 1209 00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,240 Speaker 1: They got direct flights from Atlanta to Legos. We didn't 1210 00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:34,400 Speaker 1: hear from you, honest for a day. Where do you 1211 00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,200 Speaker 1: think he went? So? Why why did John's play on 1212 00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:41,360 Speaker 1: the Nigerian team? He probably won't branding. He probably where 1213 00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,480 Speaker 1: Where did he play in the past though, Greece and 1214 00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,880 Speaker 1: something like that. You know, but he's confused, Hey six, 1215 00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,080 Speaker 1: He's why people say I'm young. He's going he's confused. 1216 00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,000 Speaker 1: You know, he's trying to figure out his life. You know, 1217 00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,120 Speaker 1: they called him the Greek free Like when people called 1218 00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:55,880 Speaker 1: me Manny, I was confused, like, man, that's not really 1219 00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,120 Speaker 1: my name. But as I got later in life and matured, 1220 00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,480 Speaker 1: I understood, you know who I really an. That's where 1221 01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:01,880 Speaker 1: your honest is. He's trying to figure out who he 1222 01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,240 Speaker 1: really is. He'll come back home. I'm funny, come back 1223 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,120 Speaker 1: home because blaite. People used to call me Maddie. I'm 1224 01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,840 Speaker 1: like maddie because all right, that's funny. He said that 1225 01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,360 Speaker 1: ship All right, quick hitters man. First thing to come 1226 01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,600 Speaker 1: to mind, Let us know, best football player you ever 1227 01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:19,240 Speaker 1: played against? What Sean McCoy he jump at you? He 1228 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,280 Speaker 1: called him cut on a dime for a reason. Shawn McCoy, 1229 01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,400 Speaker 1: he was scary, went crazy. He did you bad. I 1230 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,480 Speaker 1: would guess. I'm not I thotic enough to keep up, 1231 01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,280 Speaker 1: so I would guess. But think about Shady. Remember I 1232 01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,280 Speaker 1: told you I was smart. If Shady went up and 1233 01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,720 Speaker 1: gave you an outside move first, he was gonna go outside. 1234 01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:37,840 Speaker 1: He comes up and he squares you up. He's going inside. 1235 01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,040 Speaker 1: So I would just study the hell out of Shady 1236 01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,240 Speaker 1: and I would guess every time and got it and 1237 01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,080 Speaker 1: got it. He said I could cover him best, but 1238 01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,000 Speaker 1: I was just guessing. I just found out to tell 1239 01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:51,480 Speaker 1: and she did nice. Five favorite artists Musical John Legend, 1240 01:00:53,680 --> 01:01:04,440 Speaker 1: I'm a gospel cat, so Kirk Franklin, Um, Little Wayne, Um, 1241 01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:17,240 Speaker 1: Kanye Prime, pre you know, Early Kane, early Kanyem, early Kanye. 1242 01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,600 Speaker 1: And lastly, because I'm an R and B guy, I'm 1243 01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:23,320 Speaker 1: a true lover at heart. I'm muna say uh can 1244 01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:31,959 Speaker 1: boys the men count? Yeah? Top five most uh most 1245 01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:39,960 Speaker 1: important sports moments to you? Top five most important sports moments. Um, okay, 1246 01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:43,520 Speaker 1: let's start historically. Let's go Jackie Robinson. Let's get that 1247 01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:44,840 Speaker 1: out the way. You know what I'm saying, Like, what 1248 01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,000 Speaker 1: that meant? For the Game of Baseball, integration of the 1249 01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:52,320 Speaker 1: Game of Baseball. Um, let's go with the cast on one. 1250 01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:56,760 Speaker 1: Let's go with Lebron James coming back from down three one. Yeah, 1251 01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,880 Speaker 1: let's go there. Um Okay, see, now I feel bad. 1252 01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,160 Speaker 1: A lot of people use that. Don't like to be 1253 01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:02,720 Speaker 1: like a lot of people. Now I gotta go obscure. 1254 01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:12,280 Speaker 1: Now you just challenge me. Um, Let's go with um 1255 01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,560 Speaker 1: greatest you said sports moments. Let's go with the thrilling Manila. 1256 01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,880 Speaker 1: Let's go with thrilling Manilla like that joint like, let's 1257 01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:26,320 Speaker 1: go with thrilling Manilla. Um, let's go with Tom Brady 1258 01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:29,880 Speaker 1: getting drafted to the Patriots. Right. If he doesn't get 1259 01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:33,520 Speaker 1: drafted there, maybe he never becomes Tom Brady, never gets 1260 01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:37,000 Speaker 1: hurt or blessed on, never gets hurt. And let's go 1261 01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:41,520 Speaker 1: with Since we're talking about greatest, let's go with the 1262 01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:46,200 Speaker 1: Bulls hiring Phil Jackson, because I think the Bulls. If 1263 01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,520 Speaker 1: the Bulls don't hire Phil Jackson, Jordan is still a 1264 01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:53,680 Speaker 1: great but Jordan's not Jordan's But like realizing that after 1265 01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,280 Speaker 1: Phil Jackson showed up, Jordan never sniffed his points for 1266 01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:00,240 Speaker 1: a game average, you'll realize that right like game to 1267 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,720 Speaker 1: slow him, that slow his touches down thirty seven points 1268 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,080 Speaker 1: per game his third year in the league, thirty five 1269 01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,640 Speaker 1: points per game. A year after that at four. Clearly 1270 01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,800 Speaker 1: Jordan's got better, but he never touched that many points 1271 01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:13,760 Speaker 1: per game again. He just touched a whole bunch of championship. 1272 01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:15,959 Speaker 1: I always ask people what happened? What happened if Phil 1273 01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:19,800 Speaker 1: never went with Shack and Kobe bro what would have had? Okay, 1274 01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,280 Speaker 1: I got this view with y'all, COVID shock, and Jordan 1275 01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,600 Speaker 1: was gonna beat in regardless of the fucking Pepe Herman 1276 01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:27,640 Speaker 1: was on the sideline. No, we're not talking about You 1277 01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,800 Speaker 1: don't get the numbers, get their numbers. Do they get championships? 1278 01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:32,600 Speaker 1: The numbers are, Yeah, they're gonna get there. They don't 1279 01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:34,640 Speaker 1: get their numbers, of course, but I don't know if 1280 01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:39,000 Speaker 1: they get chips plural? What else is interesting? If Jordan 1281 01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:40,880 Speaker 1: don't go play baseball, y'all think he wins a straight 1282 01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,120 Speaker 1: I think so much luck goes into that kind of ship, health, 1283 01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:48,320 Speaker 1: getting along chemist. There's a lot that goes into Jordan. 1284 01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:51,400 Speaker 1: I don't doubt that it's only one Jordans. I don't 1285 01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,160 Speaker 1: doubt that what he could do. But I'm saying a 1286 01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,880 Speaker 1: lot goes into You know what else is why you 1287 01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:58,600 Speaker 1: gotta have left to win the championship by geting that 1288 01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:02,200 Speaker 1: some somewhere who don't get enough creditor is phil because 1289 01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:05,800 Speaker 1: you win three Jordan leaves, you win three, Spurs win one, 1290 01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:09,480 Speaker 1: then you win three again. Like we don't talk about 1291 01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,680 Speaker 1: that on any show. Enough feels gotta come feel, you 1292 01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:14,240 Speaker 1: gotta come smoke a joint with us. I know you've 1293 01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:15,880 Speaker 1: seen some of this ship. Jennie probably told you to 1294 01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:17,840 Speaker 1: come mess with us, So you gotta come mess with us. Man. Yeah, 1295 01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:18,880 Speaker 1: I don't want to know why you don't want to 1296 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:24,680 Speaker 1: shake my hand after we beat y'all scars. Yeah, I'm 1297 01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:26,800 Speaker 1: just saying, I just want to know what message you'll 1298 01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:30,200 Speaker 1: put on the billboard for the world to see. You're 1299 01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:32,600 Speaker 1: asking a man who lives by quotes to give you one, 1300 01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,320 Speaker 1: and a man that's got a billboard right now cheesing 1301 01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:42,760 Speaker 1: one message. Um, the reason most people fail is because 1302 01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:44,800 Speaker 1: they give up what they want most for what they 1303 01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:49,200 Speaker 1: want now. The reason most people fail is because they 1304 01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,160 Speaker 1: give up what they want most for what they want now. 1305 01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,840 Speaker 1: If that was one message, it would probably be that 1306 01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:57,360 Speaker 1: like people don't fail because they're not talented or skilled 1307 01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,200 Speaker 1: or whatever. It's like you give up what you want 1308 01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,280 Speaker 1: most for what you want now. I think the other 1309 01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:05,560 Speaker 1: thing is, and this is Einstein quote, but everybody is 1310 01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:07,760 Speaker 1: a genius. But if you judge a fish by its 1311 01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:09,720 Speaker 1: ability to climb a tree, it too will live its 1312 01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,400 Speaker 1: whole life believing it's an idiot. M hm. My mama 1313 01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,680 Speaker 1: told me, youngster, nothing beas of failure but to try 1314 01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:20,040 Speaker 1: and lick your lips. This is all script. But like 1315 01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,240 Speaker 1: I said, I just I know why I'm doing this podcast, 1316 01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,360 Speaker 1: while I'm doing ESPN, while I'm doing complex for my 1317 01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:27,400 Speaker 1: ultimate goal is what do you do all this stuff 1318 01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:29,600 Speaker 1: you're doing down? What's your ultimate goal in this space? 1319 01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,960 Speaker 1: I don't believe in goals. I believe in objective without limitations. Okay, 1320 01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:37,919 Speaker 1: well where are you going from this? Uh? The thing? 1321 01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,120 Speaker 1: The thing? If you set a goal, it best to 1322 01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:43,280 Speaker 1: reach the goal and it worst. You'll ruin your self 1323 01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,400 Speaker 1: esteem and self africacy if you don't reach the goal. 1324 01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:47,880 Speaker 1: My senior year, I put a piece of paper above 1325 01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:49,560 Speaker 1: my bed. I looked at it every day before I 1326 01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:51,640 Speaker 1: went to sleep, and every morning when I woke up 1327 01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,000 Speaker 1: because I wanted to go pro. My junior year sheet 1328 01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:55,560 Speaker 1: of paper from the NFL that says you will not 1329 01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:57,880 Speaker 1: be drafted in the first three rounds. So I was like, like, hell, 1330 01:05:57,960 --> 01:05:59,720 Speaker 1: I won't put that sheet of paper up there after 1331 01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:01,880 Speaker 1: my in your year, your boy gonna go drafted first 1332 01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:03,600 Speaker 1: three rounds. I get to the combine to turn my 1333 01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:05,840 Speaker 1: quality drafted in the sixth round my brother was pick 1334 01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:07,240 Speaker 1: one oh four. I knew I needed to be picked 1335 01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:08,680 Speaker 1: one oh three, I get I end up being picked 1336 01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:10,480 Speaker 1: two oh four. At that point in times said I'm 1337 01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,240 Speaker 1: done in goal setting. So I'm done with it. Um, 1338 01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,600 Speaker 1: So what is my objective? I want to be the 1339 01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:19,480 Speaker 1: greatest person the industry has ever seen, the greatest creative 1340 01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:21,480 Speaker 1: the industry has ever seen. But the beauty of that 1341 01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:25,480 Speaker 1: is objective, which means it's subjective. It's not objective because 1342 01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,280 Speaker 1: who you to say is the greatest You say pox's 1343 01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,240 Speaker 1: the greatest rapper. He might disagree, so I wouldn't agree. 1344 01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:35,960 Speaker 1: Disagree ahead, But but but it's like, I don't want 1345 01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,040 Speaker 1: anything finite. I want to be when you think about 1346 01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,280 Speaker 1: the greatest television personality, I want you to at least 1347 01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,720 Speaker 1: have to mention my name and is it just strictly 1348 01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:47,280 Speaker 1: sports you trying to transition more into life as we 1349 01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:51,640 Speaker 1: talked about and we um we passed, well, we haven't 1350 01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:53,880 Speaker 1: passed sports four here right now. I love sports. I 1351 01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,160 Speaker 1: love it, Yes I do. Um, But like I remember, 1352 01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,640 Speaker 1: I won the Sports semi. But I'm probably more happy 1353 01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:02,280 Speaker 1: just to be nominated for the prime time because it's 1354 01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,200 Speaker 1: one thing to be good at sports, but it's another 1355 01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:06,720 Speaker 1: thing to go into another field and be good there. 1356 01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,320 Speaker 1: But that's what I say. I basketball is great, want 1357 01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,280 Speaker 1: a championship in Ali, But what I'm doing now it 1358 01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,840 Speaker 1: means way more than any basketball, any shot I've ever shot. 1359 01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,360 Speaker 1: Facts And like the dopest thing when people come up 1360 01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,280 Speaker 1: to me and say like oh my god, or like 1361 01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,480 Speaker 1: when I get introduced to do something like author Manuel Acho. 1362 01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,040 Speaker 1: I used to be NFL, but now it's all the title. 1363 01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,600 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Um, Like, that's really when 1364 01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:30,560 Speaker 1: you have a listen, that's the growth all right, back 1365 01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:32,480 Speaker 1: on track. Five dinner guests that are alive. This is 1366 01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:37,320 Speaker 1: gonna be interesting. Five dinner guests dead or a lot 1367 01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:38,840 Speaker 1: and they can't please don't let him all they can't. 1368 01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,160 Speaker 1: I'll be Nigerian. No, no, no no, no, no, no, not no, Bressie. 1369 01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:46,240 Speaker 1: If they are not food food, gotti goat meats. I 1370 01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:50,760 Speaker 1: don't want I want steak. Um. Five dinner guests that 1371 01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:56,160 Speaker 1: are alive. Can I get comfortable? Come on, snoop, light 1372 01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:58,240 Speaker 1: on that motherfucking cost the whole interview. Look back at 1373 01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,480 Speaker 1: us like this bad longest as long as young clown 1374 01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:04,400 Speaker 1: is ripping my James. It wasn't supposed to rip this much. 1375 01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:08,440 Speaker 1: You know my quads, I squad a lot. Um. Okay, 1376 01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:12,920 Speaker 1: five dinner guests that are alive. One, let's go with 1377 01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:18,040 Speaker 1: m Okay, I'm okay has to be there. I'm a 1378 01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:20,599 Speaker 1: i'm a I'm a biblical man. But I'm not gonna 1379 01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:22,240 Speaker 1: go Jesus because that's a cop out. So I'm gonna 1380 01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:25,160 Speaker 1: go with Paul. He wrote the majority of the New Testament. Um, 1381 01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,400 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go with him. Um. I'm going to 1382 01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:33,400 Speaker 1: go with Albert Einstein. I gotta learn something. Somebody teach 1383 01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:41,599 Speaker 1: me something. I'm gonna at Einstein. That makes three Um 1384 01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:51,040 Speaker 1: oh easy, uh Will Smith and um, Jamie Fox, you're 1385 01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,160 Speaker 1: gonna laugh. You definitely want to laugh. I want to learn. 1386 01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,719 Speaker 1: I think that the most I think Jamie Fox Kirk 1387 01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:58,720 Speaker 1: Franklin or the two most those who I patted my 1388 01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:00,960 Speaker 1: life out of bro Amie Fox that you think I 1389 01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:02,719 Speaker 1: have quote Jamie Fox that this I watched this interview. 1390 01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:04,760 Speaker 1: He said he was playing the piano with Ray Charles 1391 01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:06,479 Speaker 1: one time, playing the pianos with Ray Charles one time 1392 01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:08,599 Speaker 1: and he hits the wrong key. Rachels like, what would 1393 01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:11,080 Speaker 1: you do that for? Right? And and Jamie's like, my bad. Ray, 1394 01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:12,559 Speaker 1: I was just vibe and I was just in the mood. 1395 01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:16,479 Speaker 1: And Ray Charles said to Jamie Fox, all the keys 1396 01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:19,400 Speaker 1: are underneath your fingers. Take the time to play the 1397 01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,200 Speaker 1: right now. He told us that story on the on 1398 01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,240 Speaker 1: the show, I think all the keys or take the time. 1399 01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:27,360 Speaker 1: At that point in time, I realized stack every word 1400 01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:29,720 Speaker 1: is in my vernacular. It's in my dick. Take the 1401 01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:33,160 Speaker 1: time to say ever, like all the all the keys 1402 01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:34,920 Speaker 1: a running. It just take So Now when I go 1403 01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,200 Speaker 1: on there and I'm about to say something, I'm always like, 1404 01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:39,960 Speaker 1: take the time to say that right, because you have it. 1405 01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:42,519 Speaker 1: People just rush through it, people rush through life. Take 1406 01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,640 Speaker 1: the time to respond to the person properly. Take the 1407 01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,560 Speaker 1: time to use the exact right word, because all the 1408 01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,799 Speaker 1: keys are underneath your fingers. People don't take the time 1409 01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:53,240 Speaker 1: and so that's just that's how I live my life. 1410 01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:56,120 Speaker 1: It's like take the time to say to play the 1411 01:09:56,200 --> 01:10:00,679 Speaker 1: right note. Last question, who do you want to see 1412 01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:02,640 Speaker 1: on All the Smoke? And you have to help us 1413 01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:04,439 Speaker 1: with yours. You have to help us get the answer 1414 01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:07,120 Speaker 1: on the show. Um, who do I want to see 1415 01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:10,320 Speaker 1: on All the Smoke? Um? Well, we just saw Joy 1416 01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:13,120 Speaker 1: Taylor on All the Smoke, so you know I would 1417 01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:14,880 Speaker 1: have been great to see her. We did see her, 1418 01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:20,320 Speaker 1: so I think I did my job. Then guys, okay, Stacks, 1419 01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:24,160 Speaker 1: you're not getting away with that one. Who do I 1420 01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:25,960 Speaker 1: want to see on All this? Okay? I got a 1421 01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,559 Speaker 1: couple of people I gotta see. Um, I want to 1422 01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,719 Speaker 1: see Seal because I want to see Matt and Sell 1423 01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:35,280 Speaker 1: go at it. Um, that would be phenomenal. I know 1424 01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:38,360 Speaker 1: they get I don't know. Y'all have beef, but y'all 1425 01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:41,680 Speaker 1: have disagreements. Don't have respectful disagreements. When I when I 1426 01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:47,080 Speaker 1: went on the show, the most uncomfortable I've ever been 1427 01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:50,040 Speaker 1: on television, True stories can allowed to tell us that 1428 01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:54,479 Speaker 1: bro we a are Stack comes on. It's the first 1429 01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:57,200 Speaker 1: time Stack didn't come on. Producer came up to me beforehand. 1430 01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,559 Speaker 1: I was like, hey, Stephen Jackson, you know, thinking about 1431 01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:01,960 Speaker 1: being on blah blah bla blah blah. I said, Yo, 1432 01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:03,599 Speaker 1: I love Stack. I met him. I met him at 1433 01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:05,599 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. We crossed past in Miami. I think 1434 01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,640 Speaker 1: dapped each other up real quick. But I was like, 1435 01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,960 Speaker 1: but um, I think him and my co host might 1436 01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,559 Speaker 1: have an issue. But it's fine anyway, bra So Stat 1437 01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:18,800 Speaker 1: comes on the show. Before we go on, there were chill, Stack, 1438 01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:21,040 Speaker 1: what's good, brother, you're good, family, how you living? You're good? 1439 01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:24,000 Speaker 1: You're good. Stacks like, real quick, if his voice got deep, 1440 01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:25,719 Speaker 1: you know, somebody voice get you start to get scared. 1441 01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,000 Speaker 1: Plus said, you know I've seen videos of Stacks. I'm like, god, 1442 01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:31,280 Speaker 1: is he dangerous? You know, I know he's refined, but 1443 01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:33,439 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sure how refined is he. You know, 1444 01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:37,479 Speaker 1: I went to private school, so you know. Um, so 1445 01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,280 Speaker 1: Stack's voice gets real deep. Hey, Sale, you know I've 1446 01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:44,160 Speaker 1: seen what you said about me, about me and about 1447 01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,320 Speaker 1: me and Matt Marcel's like what I say? Stacks said, 1448 01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:48,680 Speaker 1: you know you know what you said? Man. You know 1449 01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh God, I'm sitting here, I'm texting the 1450 01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,559 Speaker 1: producer like, yo, I don't know if he's gonna go. 1451 01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,120 Speaker 1: It's like, I know what you said. Marcelf's like, hey, 1452 01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:58,000 Speaker 1: tell me what I said. I'm like, oh God, don't 1453 01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,840 Speaker 1: do this. Um Stack keeps sad. You know, Matt told me, no, 1454 01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:02,800 Speaker 1: be careful. What you can't trust, you gotta out of die. 1455 01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,200 Speaker 1: Damn he said I can't trust. I said watch out 1456 01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,800 Speaker 1: something like that same thing, man, So you know, watch 1457 01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,679 Speaker 1: out out to die. Anyway, it all, it's all good. 1458 01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:15,040 Speaker 1: Just that in the third they handle it. But that happened, Matt. 1459 01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:18,519 Speaker 1: Just you put me in a very compromising position, all right. 1460 01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:20,639 Speaker 1: So Marcell's wildly and the last person I'm gonna say, 1461 01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:22,719 Speaker 1: who do I want to see on all the smoke? 1462 01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:26,960 Speaker 1: Who'll be talking at real talk? Who were talking at 1463 01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:31,000 Speaker 1: real talk? Who were talking about real Who are we 1464 01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:34,200 Speaker 1: talking about real man? Athletes be faking bruss. So I 1465 01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:37,080 Speaker 1: don't even really pump fake athletes be fake. I don't 1466 01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:42,040 Speaker 1: really know who really be talking that talk like that. Um, 1467 01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:44,080 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers will be a good one if y'all getting 1468 01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,479 Speaker 1: to be real, Aaron Rodgers will be one. You know 1469 01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:49,519 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like he bout it. I love marcellis, 1470 01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:51,320 Speaker 1: but like we talked about before, like he said stuff 1471 01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:53,760 Speaker 1: sometimes that I don't agree with, but I'll text him 1472 01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:55,400 Speaker 1: or we'll DM each other and we'll go back and 1473 01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:57,519 Speaker 1: forth and you know, we'll spit our ship. But I 1474 01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:59,640 Speaker 1: always gotta love from Marcellus. But didn't stay there, you 1475 01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:00,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean, It will stay there. It won't 1476 01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:04,240 Speaker 1: get disrespectful like that, and if if even we're about 1477 01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,599 Speaker 1: to close the biggest things, like everybody can have adult 1478 01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:11,519 Speaker 1: intellectual conversations, disagree without being without being disrespectful. That was 1479 01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:13,000 Speaker 1: the thing when when Stadt brought up this thing with 1480 01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,760 Speaker 1: with sale, right, but when we're right before we went live, 1481 01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,160 Speaker 1: it's like if it would have got ugly, We're going 1482 01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:22,840 Speaker 1: on national television three to one the state respectful, stam 1483 01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,360 Speaker 1: so like you can disagree and still And that's why 1484 01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:26,760 Speaker 1: I was glad to come up here because I was like, 1485 01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:28,840 Speaker 1: the show is called all the Smoke. I have none 1486 01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,240 Speaker 1: of these smoke, and I'm about to go sit down 1487 01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:36,640 Speaker 1: with you. I got enough, but nobody man, you man, 1488 01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:38,640 Speaker 1: we really appreciate, really feel like this is one of 1489 01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,280 Speaker 1: the interviews, Like I really feel like I learned a 1490 01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,479 Speaker 1: lot today. Man. We thank you for your time and 1491 01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:44,479 Speaker 1: everything you're doing in this space. You know you're making 1492 01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:46,519 Speaker 1: us look good. You were called an athlete, but now 1493 01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:49,240 Speaker 1: you're the author and you're an Emmy nominating. You wanted 1494 01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,479 Speaker 1: me so. Man. We we salute you. We appreciate what 1495 01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:55,040 Speaker 1: you're doing this and keep being great fellas, keep keeping 1496 01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,760 Speaker 1: it real. Man. We need you all. We need the dialogue. 1497 01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,400 Speaker 1: I'm encouraged by it and I just think they're different 1498 01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:02,920 Speaker 1: ways to speak the same message. You all speak of 1499 01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,519 Speaker 1: Joe's way. I speak in my way. It's all love. 1500 01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:07,280 Speaker 1: I learned something from you today though, and what I'm 1501 01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:09,680 Speaker 1: what I'm gonna take away from this interview is you 1502 01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:11,240 Speaker 1: know what to say and you got the right words, 1503 01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:13,160 Speaker 1: to take your time, to stay with the right word. 1504 01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:17,280 Speaker 1: I use that. Well that's a wrap. Thank our guests, 1505 01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,800 Speaker 1: Emmanuel I show you can find him one if that's one. 1506 01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:25,439 Speaker 1: Every day, right, every yourself, every day speak for yourself 1507 01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:28,120 Speaker 1: with Hey and Marcellus Wiley. You can catch all the 1508 01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:32,120 Speaker 1: Smoke on Showtime, Basketball, YouTube and the I Heart platform 1509 01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:35,640 Speaker 1: Black Effects. See you all next week. Piece. This is 1510 01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:38,360 Speaker 1: All a Smoke, a production of The Black Effect and 1511 01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:40,880 Speaker 1: our Heart Radio in partnership with Showtime