WEBVTT - Types of WiFi

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<v Speaker 1>This mail comes from Mark. Mark says, Dear tech Stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for a great podcast. I was wondering about how

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<v Speaker 1>wireless home networks work when my dad was talking about

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<v Speaker 1>upgrading ours and didn't know what the different network types were,

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<v Speaker 1>such as wireless G and wireless IN and how networking

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<v Speaker 1>you and not so new computers work and if it

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<v Speaker 1>will cause any problems. I think it would be an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting topic for a podcast because so many people have

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<v Speaker 1>home networks now. Anyway, thanks again for the great podcast

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<v Speaker 1>your seventh grade fan, Mark, well Mark. We thought we'd

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<v Speaker 1>talked a little bit about the different kinds of wireless

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<v Speaker 1>networks out there are the ones that use the various

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<v Speaker 1>standards set out by our good friends at the I

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<v Speaker 1>Triple E, or as I always like to call them I. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, early early networks were sort of like tin

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<v Speaker 1>cans with the string between them. This sort of makes

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<v Speaker 1>the string virtual. Yeah, there you go. That's all you

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<v Speaker 1>need to know. There's We're all right. So anyway, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about a set of standards that in general

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<v Speaker 1>fall under the designation eight zero two point one one.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't that easy? Yeah, well it's it's the most those

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<v Speaker 1>are the most common frequency variations of wireless networking. So

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<v Speaker 1>the way you uh, you'll see on things like routers

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<v Speaker 1>and modems, and stuff. You'll see this number followed by

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<v Speaker 1>a letter, and that tells you which of the specific

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<v Speaker 1>sets of standards you're working with. Now you gotta understand

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<v Speaker 1>what I was getting Ready to correct myself because I

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<v Speaker 1>said frequency and that's not a frequency, it's just a designation.

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<v Speaker 1>Is a designation? Yes, so so the I triple E.

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<v Speaker 1>They they work on various designations for different UM networking solutions.

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<v Speaker 1>And with the eight to two point one one, you

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<v Speaker 1>have different working groups all working on different sets of

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<v Speaker 1>standards to try and create the most stable and reliable

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<v Speaker 1>form of wireless networking in this case wireless networking UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's it's a little confusing because you have all

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<v Speaker 1>these different groups working on working from the same basic

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<v Speaker 1>set of standards, but they're all tweaking them in different

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<v Speaker 1>ways to try and get different kinds of performance out

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<v Speaker 1>of them. So let's try and go through some of these.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really kind of complex, but um yeah. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the things to uh that's kind of interesting about these

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<v Speaker 1>different standards is, UH, as we start going through them,

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<v Speaker 1>if we are going through them in alphabetical order, you

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<v Speaker 1>will find that they do not necessarily uh go start

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<v Speaker 1>from the bottom up like if we start with eight

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<v Speaker 1>eight O two dot eleven A. Uh, this actually opera

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<v Speaker 1>rates on the five gigga hurts frequency and can carry

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<v Speaker 1>up to fifty four megabets of data per second. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>In contrast ATO two dot eleven B you'd figured to

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<v Speaker 1>be faster. No, actually it's not. It operates at the

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<v Speaker 1>two point four gigga hurts frequency and only can handle

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<v Speaker 1>eleven megabets of data per second. And that's just one

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<v Speaker 1>of those things that makes it so confusing, is you

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<v Speaker 1>you'd figure there would be a logical progression there, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's not necessarily one. Yeah, so uh, what do you

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<v Speaker 1>think should we go by just by letter even though

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<v Speaker 1>it's not logical progression necessarily, but just to make it

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<v Speaker 1>easier to move from one to the other. Those two,

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<v Speaker 1>those two do fit well together because they were the

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<v Speaker 1>first two very common UM standards, at least in my experience. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>ATO two point eleven B uses uh unregulated radio signal

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<v Speaker 1>frequencies and the two point four gigga hurts range. So uh,

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<v Speaker 1>here's something. Here's some things about the ATO two A

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<v Speaker 1>point one one B set standards. It's single ranges is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good UM. In the two point four gigg, it

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<v Speaker 1>hurts range, and it's not going to have problems with

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<v Speaker 1>obstructions that some other frequencies do. So in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>you might be able to use this kind of signal

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<v Speaker 1>through walls things like that. You don't have to worry

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<v Speaker 1>about losing signal as soon as you turn a corner

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<v Speaker 1>some UH from the source of the UH. The frequency UM,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not very expensive. The range is pretty good, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not a very it's not very fast, as

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<v Speaker 1>you pointed out, you know, compared to eight oh two

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<v Speaker 1>point eleven A. It's it's fairly slow. UM. And because

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<v Speaker 1>it's an unregulated frequency, some other appliances that generate radio

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<v Speaker 1>frequencies can cause interference within that wireless UH frequency because

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<v Speaker 1>you have to remember the computer you're using whatever, Like

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<v Speaker 1>if you have a wireless router that's broadcasting WiFi on

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<v Speaker 1>this set of standards, if it's using unregulated radio frequencies,

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<v Speaker 1>that means that it can fall within a wider range,

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<v Speaker 1>and that things that also generate radio frequencies within that range.

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<v Speaker 1>When you're using your computer, your computer doesn't know which

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<v Speaker 1>one of those which of those signals are coming from

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<v Speaker 1>your router and which are coming from other devices. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's where you get your your interference. And if you're

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<v Speaker 1>saying what kind of interference could you possibly be talking about, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about things like your cordless phone in your

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<v Speaker 1>house for example, or UM perhaps an alarm system where

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<v Speaker 1>you have UH wireless UM the devices that go above

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<v Speaker 1>your windows and doors, if it you know it uses

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<v Speaker 1>radio frequencies to talk to the main box, UM and

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<v Speaker 1>baby monitors stuff like that. Those are all using you know,

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<v Speaker 1>those radio frequencies in those ranges. And of course you

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<v Speaker 1>can you can buy cordless phones and are not to

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<v Speaker 1>over use that word range of different frequencies UM. So

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<v Speaker 1>you could try to get to to get around that.

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<v Speaker 1>But UM that's one of those things that UH I

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<v Speaker 1>think they've been trying to improve is is cut down

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<v Speaker 1>on some of the interference. And that's why um ATO

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<v Speaker 1>two eleven A uses the orthogonal frequency division multiplexing. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's just a system of splitting down that signal

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<v Speaker 1>into a group of sub signals to kind of make

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<v Speaker 1>it UH less likely that you're going to be interfered with,

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<v Speaker 1>and breaks it down so that it's not all in

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<v Speaker 1>in one UH one signal right, so you're not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>you're not gonna have the same interference issues. UM, it's

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<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't. And again, like we point out, it is

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<v Speaker 1>faster at two point eleven A is faster than NATO

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<v Speaker 1>to a point eleven B. But it's also it's UM

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<v Speaker 1>range is shorter, it's not it doesn't go as far.

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<v Speaker 1>And because of the frequencies that uses UM, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>little more easily obstructed. So you can't necessarily broadcast through

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<v Speaker 1>several walls. If you have a large house and you've

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<v Speaker 1>got a wireless router in the middle, then you may

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<v Speaker 1>notice that as you move away you start having problems

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<v Speaker 1>getting a signal. I also suggest that you don't make

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<v Speaker 1>your walls out of lead. Yeah, I um, never again,

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<v Speaker 1>never again. I tell you one thing. You know what,

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<v Speaker 1>You make your walls out of lead, and you invite

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<v Speaker 1>Superman over. The dude is just a total jerk face

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<v Speaker 1>the entire time. Well he's just hes right, he's just

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<v Speaker 1>standing around, staring at the walls and just mumbling curses.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't even repeat the things that man says. He

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<v Speaker 1>just Oh what a mouth on that guy. At any rate,

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea that my little joke would turn

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<v Speaker 1>so awry. No, but tell you what, green lantern is awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>You get a few drinks in him. So uh so

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<v Speaker 1>yeah eight to two point eleven A faster, shorter range,

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<v Speaker 1>also was more expensive. Both A and B were being

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<v Speaker 1>worked on at the same time. UM B was even

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<v Speaker 1>though B was slower, it was less expensive and had

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<v Speaker 1>a greater range, so it it caught on a lot

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<v Speaker 1>faster than A did. Um A was much more expensive,

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<v Speaker 1>so you didn't really see that getting adopted in home

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<v Speaker 1>networks as much. But that brings us up to ATO

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<v Speaker 1>two point eleven. G. Yes, we skipped a few letters

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<v Speaker 1>and specifications, yes, um not that. Yeah, I mean you could.

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<v Speaker 1>If you look up all these different numbers, uh along

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<v Speaker 1>with I E. You'll see that there are all these

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<v Speaker 1>different working groups that are working on various projects that

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<v Speaker 1>have different designations. But it gets way too complex to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about all that, especially since it doesn't really relate

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<v Speaker 1>to what we're talking about here with home networking. So

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<v Speaker 1>ATO two point eleven. Yeah, that was A and B

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<v Speaker 1>were popular together for a while, and then G was

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<v Speaker 1>a good sized leap forward. I would say, yeah, I agree,

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<v Speaker 1>and it has been the standard. Um it's been widely

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<v Speaker 1>adopted up until just recently, but we'll get into that

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<v Speaker 1>in a moment. Um ATO two dot eleven G also

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<v Speaker 1>uses the two point for giga hurts spectrum, just like

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<v Speaker 1>at two dot eleven B. However, it is much faster

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<v Speaker 1>band with up to fifty four megabits per second as

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<v Speaker 1>I as I see before me, that's the figure I

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<v Speaker 1>have as well. So yeah, that's really fast speed. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's actually the it has really much better range. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not easily obstructed, so it's it's kind of taking the

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<v Speaker 1>best of both worlds here. It's got the range and

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<v Speaker 1>and uh and the penetration of ATO two point eleven

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<v Speaker 1>B and the speed and um and and uh well

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<v Speaker 1>probably just the speed of two point eleven A UM.

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<v Speaker 1>But it it was a little it's a little more expensive,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least it was more expensive than ATO two

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<v Speaker 1>point eleven B. It took a while for that to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of become the standard and home networks, but that

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<v Speaker 1>did become the standard after shortly after it was introduced.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh so you would look on routers and you

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<v Speaker 1>would see if we know which which, then it was

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<v Speaker 1>compatible within eight or two point eleven G became more

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<v Speaker 1>and more common and uh yeah, again had another problem

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<v Speaker 1>with the fact that it had the unregulated signal, just

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<v Speaker 1>like a two point eleven B did. So again there

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<v Speaker 1>were there was at least the potential for signals to

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<v Speaker 1>have some interference issues if you had a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>other wireless technologies running in the house, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>kids running around on walkie talkies or you know exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll never be over it. I'm never over kids over

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<v Speaker 1>at my house walkie talkies. That is just the most

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<v Speaker 1>distracting thing in the world, because especially because you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have kids. Yeah that people, how did you get into

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<v Speaker 1>my house? Did Superman let you in? Has he not

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<v Speaker 1>gotten over the lead walls thing? Yet? Does that bring

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<v Speaker 1>us up to two eleven in? Yes? And up until

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<v Speaker 1>very very recently, this was not an approved standard. However,

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<v Speaker 1>UM know I have seen from looking at the WiFi

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<v Speaker 1>Alliance's website, UM that ATO two dot eleven and is

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<v Speaker 1>actually an accepted specification at this time, um, which was

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to happen this year. So you know that those

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<v Speaker 1>of you who are going, yeah, okay, so where's the

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<v Speaker 1>surprise in that. No, that's that's uh, that's right on time.

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<v Speaker 1>They're supposed to do that this year. Um. And UH,

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<v Speaker 1>basically you're supposed to be able to get a lot

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<v Speaker 1>better range with ATO two dot eleven and and speed

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<v Speaker 1>for that matter. UM, that was one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>when I got UM. I got a new wireless access

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<v Speaker 1>point UM a few months ago, and it had a

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<v Speaker 1>proposed ATO two dot eleven and specification in it. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, since I am sitting right next to or

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<v Speaker 1>almost right next to the the access point, I find

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<v Speaker 1>the range is great. But yeah, you are right next

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<v Speaker 1>to it as if you could actually plug your device

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<v Speaker 1>into it with a physical are how great the range

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<v Speaker 1>of details details? Actually? Um, when I was down the hall,

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<v Speaker 1>I actually moved the computer since then, UM no, it

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<v Speaker 1>was it was giving me a much better range than

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<v Speaker 1>the old one, so UM, so you know it was

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<v Speaker 1>it was an improvement. Um. But yeah, the eight to

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<v Speaker 1>two dot eleven N is supposed to get you up

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<v Speaker 1>to a hundred forty megabits per second, which is pretty speedy. Yeah,

0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:26.640
<v Speaker 1>that's considering I can't even get my my DSL connection

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<v Speaker 1>near that fast. So you were asking Mark about the

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<v Speaker 1>difficulties in networking if you have different machines running on

0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:39.800
<v Speaker 1>different uh that require different standards. Yes, that will be

0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:43.040
<v Speaker 1>a problem because you have to have the right it's

0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:44.760
<v Speaker 1>it's like an antenna. You have to the right kind

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<v Speaker 1>of antend to pick up the right kind of frequency.

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<v Speaker 1>And um, it sort of depends on what kind of

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<v Speaker 1>card you have sorright interrupt No, no, go ahead. You

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<v Speaker 1>need to have something that will receive the signals in

0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:59.840
<v Speaker 1>your computer. Um. And uh, you know you can get

0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:02.280
<v Speaker 1>cards that are built right in. And there are also

0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:04.839
<v Speaker 1>different kinds of cards that you can add on an

0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:08.280
<v Speaker 1>aftermarket depending on what kind of computer you have. UM.

0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:10.280
<v Speaker 1>And many of these cards can actually accept more than

0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:12.920
<v Speaker 1>one standard, like they'll they'll say it'll be you know,

0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.120
<v Speaker 1>you'll see like a B slash in or something like that,

0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:18.160
<v Speaker 1>or in slash G or Yeah. The chances are actually

0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:20.160
<v Speaker 1>if you go out and buy whatever off the shelf,

0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:23.200
<v Speaker 1>now it's going to be end compatible and backwards compatible

0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.680
<v Speaker 1>with the other three standards, which is great. I mean

0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.720
<v Speaker 1>if you don't have those compatible ones, then obviously if

0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:31.360
<v Speaker 1>you were to get if you were to have an

0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:35.360
<v Speaker 1>old ATO two point eleven G wireless card and a

0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:38.480
<v Speaker 1>laptop and you got an ATO two point eleven in router,

0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:40.840
<v Speaker 1>it's not gonna do any good. Yeah, you're not gonna

0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:43.840
<v Speaker 1>be able to access those faster speeds because you're limited

0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.800
<v Speaker 1>by it's kind of the weakest link in the in

0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.480
<v Speaker 1>the chain kind of thing. Um, you're you're limited by

0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:53.480
<v Speaker 1>whatever you are, your least fast device is going to

0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:57.680
<v Speaker 1>be uh in that in that chain from router to computer.

0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:00.840
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it can cause a little issue. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>not as bad as you might think because most things

0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:05.560
<v Speaker 1>that are most of routers and modems that have been

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<v Speaker 1>sold in the last few years have really kind of

0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:13.200
<v Speaker 1>ironed out a lot of the compatibility issues. Um. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's and you know, again it's kind of confusing because

0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:20.800
<v Speaker 1>the standards do evolve over time and the group is

0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:24.000
<v Speaker 1>always working on different projects. That mean that you know,

0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:26.600
<v Speaker 1>within another five or six years we may see something different.

0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:30.240
<v Speaker 1>And not only that, but we have other networking technologies

0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:33.920
<v Speaker 1>that also come into play that can be a little confusing.

0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:36.880
<v Speaker 1>There's Bluetooth. Actually, it's funny you mentioned that I was

0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:39.800
<v Speaker 1>getting ready to mention please do um. There are a

0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:43.520
<v Speaker 1>couple different standards of Bluetooth technology. Now. Bluetooth UM in

0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:47.760
<v Speaker 1>general has a shorter distance that you can use a

0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:51.200
<v Speaker 1>smaller range. Yes, that's what I meant thank you for

0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:55.680
<v Speaker 1>fixing that. Um hey, who's the editor here? Yeah, well

0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.800
<v Speaker 1>that would be me, except when I'm talking. This is

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<v Speaker 1>why I edit. Um. Yeah. It actually operates on frequency

0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:06.960
<v Speaker 1>of two point four five giga hurts. Uh, generally between

0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:09.640
<v Speaker 1>two point four zero two and two point four eight

0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.120
<v Speaker 1>zero if you're you know split in hair for those

0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.880
<v Speaker 1>of you taking notes, Yeah, yeah, and you can you know,

0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:19.480
<v Speaker 1>connect up to eight devices. Um you find I don't

0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:21.680
<v Speaker 1>think a lot of people use Bluetooth to connect a

0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:23.600
<v Speaker 1>lot of devices to their computer. Exp maybe like a

0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:27.600
<v Speaker 1>wireless keyboarder mouse maybe maybe or or yeah, maybe a printer,

0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.880
<v Speaker 1>sometimes your phone. I had a phone that used Bluetooth,

0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:32.600
<v Speaker 1>and I could drag and drop files over like if

0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:35.000
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to change ring tones, I make an MP

0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:37.800
<v Speaker 1>three and and you know, connect with it. The wireless

0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.480
<v Speaker 1>The promise of Bluetooth is really really cool in the

0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:44.880
<v Speaker 1>sense that you can have this personal area network and

0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:48.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, you the network would constantly be changing depending

0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:51.760
<v Speaker 1>on what devices you brought within the scope of that network.

0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:54.840
<v Speaker 1>So you can bring two devices together, it creates one network.

0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:57.360
<v Speaker 1>You bring those two devices toward a third device, and

0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:59.840
<v Speaker 1>you've got a new network. You take one device away.

0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:06.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's a really flexible UM and and dynamic system.

0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:10.000
<v Speaker 1>It's really really cool. I don't think anyone uses it

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<v Speaker 1>to the to its potential really. I mean, I don't

0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:17.080
<v Speaker 1>know one I know of uses Bluetooth. Like the people

0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.520
<v Speaker 1>who use Bluetooth that I know are using the very

0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:23.080
<v Speaker 1>very basic. So it's the headset and the and the

0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:26.720
<v Speaker 1>phone the handset. Um that's pretty much it. Or some

0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:29.280
<v Speaker 1>of them are using some sort of handset and a

0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:31.760
<v Speaker 1>car like the car that's Bluetooth enabled so that the

0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:34.320
<v Speaker 1>handset sinks with the car and they can listen to music,

0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:37.760
<v Speaker 1>or they can use a GPS system something like that

0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:41.679
<v Speaker 1>where or even use the cars sound system for a

0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:44.840
<v Speaker 1>if they're taking on calls or things of that nature.

0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:47.919
<v Speaker 1>But again it's still you're talking about a two device

0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:50.359
<v Speaker 1>maximum there as opposed to what the real potential or

0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:52.480
<v Speaker 1>Bluetooth is. I know somebody else is going to write

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<v Speaker 1>into now that I think about it. Another device that

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<v Speaker 1>you might see people use with their Bluetooth enabled computer

0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:01.480
<v Speaker 1>and be a set of headphones. Yeah, that's that's pretty common.

0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:04.720
<v Speaker 1>That's true. That's true. That is another common one. Um

0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:09.600
<v Speaker 1>and another thing we're another kind of wireless standard. Was

0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:12.399
<v Speaker 1>going to talk about y max. So y max and

0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:16.000
<v Speaker 1>WiFi are two different things. They are not the You

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<v Speaker 1>often will see the media reference why max is saying

0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:23.360
<v Speaker 1>something like WiFi on steroids, which is I mean it's

0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:27.119
<v Speaker 1>an oversimplification. Yeah, it's definitely an oversimplification. Yes, y max

0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:31.120
<v Speaker 1>has a greater range than WiFi standards because it can

0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.760
<v Speaker 1>reach up to a thirty miles right, something like somewhere.

0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:37.160
<v Speaker 1>And so wy max has a much larger range. And yes,

0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:41.119
<v Speaker 1>you can get very fast. Uh, down link and uplink

0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:44.720
<v Speaker 1>speeds on y max are relatively fast anyway, about megabits

0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:47.040
<v Speaker 1>per seconds. So yeah, that's pretty fast. I mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>still not as fast as you know, eight or two

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<v Speaker 1>point eleven and but yes, but you're not gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>eight or two down eleven and much past I don't know,

0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:56.800
<v Speaker 1>like the street in front of your house. Yeah, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna That's the other thing is that when we

0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:01.800
<v Speaker 1>talk about these speeds, we're talking about the maximum that

0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:05.280
<v Speaker 1>those devices are capable of generating. That doesn't necessarily mean

0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:07.600
<v Speaker 1>that's the speed you will experience. That will experience it

0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:10.760
<v Speaker 1>based upon what your I s P provides to you.

0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Actually when I was saying a few minutes ago that

0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:16.840
<v Speaker 1>my DSL struggles to reach one point five megabet per second.

0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:19.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, I have a my router now is an

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<v Speaker 1>eight or two data eleven n I'm never gonna see

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<v Speaker 1>anything faster than one point five megabets per second, because

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<v Speaker 1>that's as fast as it's gonna go out. Now, if

0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:32.000
<v Speaker 1>I connect with another computer, if I have, you know, say,

0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:33.960
<v Speaker 1>my music library at one computer I want to move

0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:35.600
<v Speaker 1>it to another, I can move it at that speed

0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:39.600
<v Speaker 1>provided my cards in both computers will reach that speed.

0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.360
<v Speaker 1>So data transfers within your network will go at at

0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:46.879
<v Speaker 1>the ideal speed, right, But data coming into or moving

0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:50.840
<v Speaker 1>out of your network to the outside world the Internet,

0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:53.280
<v Speaker 1>is going to move at whatever speed the Internet service

0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:57.719
<v Speaker 1>provider has designated, or what your current technology is capable

0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:00.280
<v Speaker 1>of delivering. Yeah, so the slowest point of connect in

0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:02.320
<v Speaker 1>this case would be my you know, pipe to the

0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:05.560
<v Speaker 1>outside world, and everything else is regulated by that, right,

0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:10.159
<v Speaker 1>Everything inside super fast, everything outside not so fast. Still fast,

0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:12.760
<v Speaker 1>just not nearly as fast. As we sit there and

0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:14.560
<v Speaker 1>think about how slow this is. But then we sit

0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:19.440
<v Speaker 1>there and like, hey, do you remember that there's bod modems? Okay,

0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:22.040
<v Speaker 1>so it's very fast compared to dial up modems. But anyway,

0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:24.600
<v Speaker 1>so so wy max getting back to wymax. Um, yeah,

0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:28.600
<v Speaker 1>it's a totally different set of standards. Uh, dot one six.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to I like to describe wy max the

0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:33.560
<v Speaker 1>way I tried to describe it to someone, uh, and

0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:35.479
<v Speaker 1>how it works if you if you want to try

0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:39.040
<v Speaker 1>and visualize it within an analogy is imagine a big

0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:44.560
<v Speaker 1>circular building that has a set number of doors along

0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:47.639
<v Speaker 1>the perimeter of the building. So we'll say forty forty

0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:50.240
<v Speaker 1>doors are along the perimeter of the building. That means

0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:53.280
<v Speaker 1>that forty people can walk in and out of that building,

0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:56.119
<v Speaker 1>carrying stuff in and taking stuff out. So there's forty

0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:58.280
<v Speaker 1>people that would be people connecting to the y max

0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:04.120
<v Speaker 1>tower to get data. So home networks necessary pretty much. Um.

0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:07.600
<v Speaker 1>And after the after those forty doors are taken up

0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:10.320
<v Speaker 1>by the various people, that's it. It's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>accept any more people on that tower, which means that

0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:16.720
<v Speaker 1>every single person is going to still get the speeds

0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:20.119
<v Speaker 1>that they were promised. You know, there's no choking because

0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:23.920
<v Speaker 1>there's no bottleneck there because the tower has cut off

0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:26.600
<v Speaker 1>the number of people who can connect to it. WiFi

0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:29.280
<v Speaker 1>is different. WiFi. People just keep piling in and out.

0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:32.040
<v Speaker 1>There's like one big set of doors and everyone is

0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:33.680
<v Speaker 1>trying to get in and out that set of doors

0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:36.359
<v Speaker 1>at the same time. So the more people are trying

0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:40.320
<v Speaker 1>to access a WiFi spot, the slower you're going to experience.

0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:42.800
<v Speaker 1>The slower the data rates will be slower, data transfer

0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:46.359
<v Speaker 1>rates will be um because it does not limit the

0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:49.640
<v Speaker 1>number like y max does, So it's a different approach

0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:52.680
<v Speaker 1>rely UM and why MAX of course, is just one

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<v Speaker 1>of the four G solutions that we're looking at in

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<v Speaker 1>the in in the future. There are others as well

0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.760
<v Speaker 1>as LT, which is long term evolution. Looks it looks

0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:03.400
<v Speaker 1>like those two are going to be fighting it out

0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:07.160
<v Speaker 1>to be the four G standard, depending on on whom

0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:12.200
<v Speaker 1>you ask and where and what what company you happen

0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:15.080
<v Speaker 1>to be working for that is backing which standard. Here

0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:18.600
<v Speaker 1>in Atlanta we're actually seeing WiMAX now up and a

0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:21.120
<v Speaker 1>few other cities in the United States also have Wi

0:22:21.200 --> 0:22:24.080
<v Speaker 1>max now and more are expected to get it within

0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:27.320
<v Speaker 1>the next year. YEP, but LT is on its way,

0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:30.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm pretty sure. And it's also that's also being

0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:34.439
<v Speaker 1>giving the UH the fast track and development. I do

0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:36.679
<v Speaker 1>want to clarify though, just to make certain that everyone

0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:39.960
<v Speaker 1>understands that if you have a Wi Fi card, a

0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:43.320
<v Speaker 1>O two, DON eleven, a b G or n UM,

0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:46.080
<v Speaker 1>those may or may not be compatible with you know,

0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:50.840
<v Speaker 1>a a particular card, or you know, some plug in

0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:53.720
<v Speaker 1>for your computer. But Bluetooth and Wi Max are going

0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:57.440
<v Speaker 1>to require their own separate thing. They're not they're not related.

0:22:57.480 --> 0:22:59.920
<v Speaker 1>You can't get one card, as far as I know,

0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:02.159
<v Speaker 1>you can't get one card that will get all of

0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:04.960
<v Speaker 1>those frequencies you know, in one thing that you can

0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:09.320
<v Speaker 1>plug into your machine. You're looking at probably three. Yeah,

0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:12.120
<v Speaker 1>although I guess you could argue that y max could

0:23:12.119 --> 0:23:15.880
<v Speaker 1>replace WiFi, except unless you're actually, well, if you're doing

0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:18.400
<v Speaker 1>home networking stuff, if you're trying to actually transfer data

0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:22.200
<v Speaker 1>between machines in your home network, then you will need something.

0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:26.040
<v Speaker 1>Because y max it's it's reporting back to the internet

0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:30.080
<v Speaker 1>service provider. It's not it's not a home networking solution. Well, okay,

0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:34.320
<v Speaker 1>that's actually a good point, because, um, the the particular

0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:37.840
<v Speaker 1>y Max provider that is advertising in the Atlanta area

0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:40.320
<v Speaker 1>shows off that you can have your laptop with you

0:23:40.880 --> 0:23:43.760
<v Speaker 1>and get access anywhere. You could be on the bus,

0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:45.960
<v Speaker 1>you could be you know, at an sidewalk cafe, you

0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:47.440
<v Speaker 1>could be at your home and you're still going to

0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:50.800
<v Speaker 1>get your wy max speed. Well that's great. However, if

0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:53.000
<v Speaker 1>you're using basically what they're showing off as a as

0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:58.200
<v Speaker 1>a dongle type card modem thing. Um, that's the scientific

0:23:58.280 --> 0:24:01.680
<v Speaker 1>term for it, type mode them card thing. Yes, yes,

0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:05.640
<v Speaker 1>I think it's on the box. Okay, okay, So anyway,

0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:07.240
<v Speaker 1>you plug the thing in the side of your computer,

0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:09.320
<v Speaker 1>you can get it and you can go anywhere. What

0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:11.399
<v Speaker 1>happens if you go home and you want to hook up,

0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:15.960
<v Speaker 1>say your spouse is computer, Well, now you kind of

0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:19.480
<v Speaker 1>need the internet. We'll see, that's that's going to do

0:24:19.560 --> 0:24:24.320
<v Speaker 1>with it. Okay, So then you're stuck. That's no, no

0:24:24.400 --> 0:24:26.560
<v Speaker 1>more home networking if all you have is that one

0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:31.000
<v Speaker 1>type of you know, connectivity, you know, they offer this

0:24:31.080 --> 0:24:33.919
<v Speaker 1>the wmax provider also offers a home modem and then

0:24:33.920 --> 0:24:36.040
<v Speaker 1>you can plug that into wave WiFi connection. But if

0:24:36.040 --> 0:24:38.720
<v Speaker 1>you want to get you know, the y max all

0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:41.840
<v Speaker 1>around town, you're gonna have to have the portable. Yeah,

0:24:42.200 --> 0:24:44.760
<v Speaker 1>so that's that's a difference. Does have it might actually

0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:47.800
<v Speaker 1>have a WiMAX and a WiFi Well yeah, they Yeah,

0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:50.360
<v Speaker 1>that's true, that's true. I've seen I've seen the packages

0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:53.240
<v Speaker 1>I've seen usually involved you can get one of each.

0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:55.439
<v Speaker 1>You can get one that's the home solution where you

0:24:55.560 --> 0:24:58.199
<v Speaker 1>you hook that up to your router. So you have

0:24:58.320 --> 0:25:02.160
<v Speaker 1>to buy both of them, yes, but but it's there's

0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:04.560
<v Speaker 1>some that's like a package deal though, so you're getting

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<v Speaker 1>a discount as opposed to if you were buying each separately. Yes, yes, so, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you would still have to have your wireless router, which

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<v Speaker 1>would that's working on the WiFi if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>hook up all your computers, yes, exactly, and within your home,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you would have the y max dongle for

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<v Speaker 1>whichever computer you have designated as the the main one

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<v Speaker 1>whenever you're heading outside the house and you want to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to hook directly to your I s P.

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<v Speaker 1>The nice thing about that is you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>pay for any other like WiFi services, any hotspots or

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that, and you don't have to you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to depend upon no. Yeah, because with the wax range, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're connecting right to the Wi max thing tower, not

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<v Speaker 1>not to WiFi networks. And so I know that's a

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<v Speaker 1>big problem for us us, being me and my wife,

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<v Speaker 1>we when we're traveling around UH town, we have to

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<v Speaker 1>hope that wherever we're going has a WiFi network and

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<v Speaker 1>that that hopefully it's a why find network where we

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to pay extra to get attached to it,

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<v Speaker 1>because when you're already paying uh an internet service provider

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<v Speaker 1>to get access to the internet, you kind of hate

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<v Speaker 1>the thought of having to pay again because you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>if we were home, we could access this based on

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<v Speaker 1>our plan, we wouldn't have to pay extra. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we get a little yeah, mightily miffed. Great was the

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<v Speaker 1>message thereof all right, well I think that that pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much covers the whole WiFi angle. Yeah. I'm sure we've

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<v Speaker 1>confused everyone by now. I know I'm more confused than

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<v Speaker 1>when we started, so good job. Um well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that means that it's time to wrap things

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<v Speaker 1>up with a little a listener mail. This listener mail

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<v Speaker 1>comes from Casey. Hey, guys, I love the podcast. I

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<v Speaker 1>had a quick question for you. I've heard that Mac

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<v Speaker 1>and Linux operating systems don't get viruses like Windows computers do.

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<v Speaker 1>As far as I can tell, I haven't even heard

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<v Speaker 1>of a virus protection software from my Leopard running operating system.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this because the Unix base that Mac and Lenox

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<v Speaker 1>were built on is less susceptible, or because Windows is

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<v Speaker 1>a little easier to target because of how mainstream they

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<v Speaker 1>are operating system is? Keep up the good work, and

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to hear the answer to this sometime,

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<v Speaker 1>o K. See. First of all, let's let's address a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of things. UH. Linux does not have a Unix

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<v Speaker 1>base technically, it is it was inspired Lennox was inspired

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<v Speaker 1>by Unix, or rather we should say Linus was inspired

0:27:28.480 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 1>by Unix. Actually he was inspired by um minix Minix,

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<v Speaker 1>which in turn was a a kind of open source

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<v Speaker 1>alternative to Unix. See, you have Unix, you had the

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<v Speaker 1>open source alternative to Unix called Minix. You had Lenis

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<v Speaker 1>Torvald's who was then inspired by Minix to create Linux.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's get that all the way. UM As for

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<v Speaker 1>are they just naturally less susceptible? Not technically, I mean there,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's more challenging to create the UH something that

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<v Speaker 1>exploits a vulnerability in Linux or Mac because you've got,

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<v Speaker 1>within the case of Linux, you've got a community that

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<v Speaker 1>is dedicated to finding these things out and fixing them

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<v Speaker 1>before they become problems. It doesn't mean that it's impossible.

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<v Speaker 1>It just means it's more challenging because you've you know,

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:21.280
<v Speaker 1>you've got the entire worldwide Linux community working on this stuff. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though there are various distributions, and each distribution is

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<v Speaker 1>slightly different from each other distribution Mac, you've got a

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<v Speaker 1>closed system which is harder to get into and learn

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<v Speaker 1>how that works because Apple controls the whole Mac UH

0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 1>situation from the hardware to the operating system. Even so,

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<v Speaker 1>it is possible to create UH programs that exploit vulnerabilities.

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen that both in MAX and in Linux systems. Recently,

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen some that went as that that even exploit

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<v Speaker 1>vulnerabilities or could exploit of vulnerability within the Linux kernel itself. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't mean that there as vulnerable as a Windows system.

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<v Speaker 1>Your question of is Windows more vulnerable because it's more

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<v Speaker 1>popular In a way, Yes, it's certainly more popular with

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<v Speaker 1>hackers for one thing. I mean it's it's more accessible. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>more people are using Windows. So therefore your target is

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<v Speaker 1>You've got a target rich environment is what our friends

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<v Speaker 1>in the military would call it. It's it means that

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<v Speaker 1>if you do write some malicious software, you're gonna hit

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<v Speaker 1>way more victims if you do it for Windows, then

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna hit if you use it for macor Linux,

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<v Speaker 1>just because there are more people using Windows out there

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<v Speaker 1>than the alternatives. But if you look at some of

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:38.959
<v Speaker 1>the vulnerabilities that exploit server software, that's all Linux based stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean almost all of it. Not not all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't write me I know, not all of it, but

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<v Speaker 1>a great deal of it. So it is possible, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just not as common. Yeah, And there are there are

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of security providers who have written uh mac

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<v Speaker 1>virus software and has been out for many many years now.

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<v Speaker 1>Um at Actually I think snow Leppard came with some

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<v Speaker 1>anti virus in under the hood. Yeah, it's it's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of invisible. Actually, not like I've actually noticed that, let

0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:13.120
<v Speaker 1>me put it that way. Um, but but yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>and and the one, the one I would say that

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<v Speaker 1>is arguable arguably the largest. Um it's a company called Intego,

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<v Speaker 1>And they're the ones who always draw attention to vulnerabilities

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<v Speaker 1>when they are pointed out, and um, they usually get

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<v Speaker 1>sort of picked on. Uh and and uh, some of

0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:35.520
<v Speaker 1>the stuff that I've read, because they go, oh, yeah, well,

0:30:35.640 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 1>you guys are the ones writing the software. Of course,

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:42.400
<v Speaker 1>that's what happens when samantech or or McAfee also points

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<v Speaker 1>out that there are vulnerabilities out there, I mean, they

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<v Speaker 1>have a vested interest in keeping that um in mind.

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<v Speaker 1>But a lot of and a lot of cases to

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<v Speaker 1>the Mac stuff scans for Windows uh um malware as well,

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<v Speaker 1>which is useful if you're running an Intel Mac and

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<v Speaker 1>happen to be running and happen to have an installation

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<v Speaker 1>of Windows and the Mac operating system on your Mac UM.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, it can be handy. But a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people in the Mac world still believe that their

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<v Speaker 1>position is very secure and do not use any virus

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<v Speaker 1>software right now. That does not mean if you have

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<v Speaker 1>a Mac or Linux machine that you should go clicking

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<v Speaker 1>on every single link and and installing every single application

0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:25.240
<v Speaker 1>you come across, because you never know when that that

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<v Speaker 1>vulnerability will be discovered and exploited. Uh. Here's the tricky

0:31:29.320 --> 0:31:32.360
<v Speaker 1>thing about hackers who find vulnerabilities. Some of them don't

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<v Speaker 1>make it public knowledge, and so it may be you

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<v Speaker 1>know that it's constantly a game of let's catch up

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<v Speaker 1>to what the hackers know and uh and then patch it.

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<v Speaker 1>So just be careful. Yeah, Max and Lenox machines aren't

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<v Speaker 1>gonna experience them as often as windows are, uh, just

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<v Speaker 1>in general. But it's it's not outside the realm of possibility.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like to throw this one last thing out there. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>for everybody who is using any kind of computer on

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<v Speaker 1>any kind of operating system, keep in mind their vulnerabilities

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<v Speaker 1>in the operating system and uh, security software patch is

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<v Speaker 1>there to protect you from malware that has been discovered.

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<v Speaker 1>But as long as there's a vulnerability, anything that hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>been discovered, that's right. As long as there's a vulnerability

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<v Speaker 1>and someone is there to exploit it and nobody knows

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<v Speaker 1>about it yet, so it's best to keep up your

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<v Speaker 1>guard and pay attention to what you're doing. That is

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