1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my. 6 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 3: Name is Noaah. They call me Ben. 7 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: We're joined as always with our super producer Lexus code 8 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: name Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 9 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 3: You are here. 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. 11 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: The world is continually spinning in such crazy directions. No 12 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: astronomers check us on that, And this is despite everything. 13 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: This is one of our favorite parts of the week 14 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: where we get to invite our fellow conspiracy realists on 15 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: the air. Going to have a very profoundly important, mission 16 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: critical update from an earlier listener. We're going to examine 17 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: the Winchester Mansion, famous or infamous for the story of 18 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: its creation. We're going to visit a hotel of terror. 19 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: But before we. 20 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: Do any of that, we're going to dive into an old, true, 21 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: confirmed conspiracy from the world of the automotive, from something 22 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: we talked about on a show called car Stuff many 23 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: years ago. But it's real it's a real conspiracy. 24 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, I remember the old cheater box. That 25 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 4: was what they called it. It was a scandal that 26 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 4: rocked the Volkswagen corporation. You know, Germany's one of Germany's 27 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 4: most famous exports, and kind of mid tier quirky cars, 28 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 4: you know that are kind of bubbly and have little 29 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 4: remember the little stem things these where you can put like. 30 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 3: A flower in it. 31 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 4: Very popular amongst the teens, at least when I was younger. 32 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 3: You don't see him so much anymore. 33 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 4: Maybe you see Gulfs every now and then, but I'd 34 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 4: certainly feel like since this hit the news, don't see 35 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 4: quite as many as you used to. 36 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 3: But that could just be confirmation biased. 37 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 4: But yeah, Volkswagen was found to have been systematically cheating 38 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 4: on emission standards through the installation of these extra pieces 39 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 4: of equipment in their. 40 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 3: Vehicles, right and again, called a cheater box. 41 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 4: That was what the press referred to it as, and 42 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 4: I think probably somebody in the industry must have coined 43 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 4: that term. But we have a bit of an updater 44 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 4: at the very least. Another perspective. After we did a 45 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 4: I think a replay of this classic episode recently, this 46 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 4: comes from post Eco killer who writes so I listened 47 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 4: to the most recent throwback episode on VW's emissions scandal. 48 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 4: It got me thinking on how easy it was for 49 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 4: VW to cheat the system and how there was some 50 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 4: backlash to what happened, as some higher ups did get 51 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 4: jail time and huge fines. As a car enthusiast, I 52 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 4: had been part of the car scene since I was 53 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 4: very young, starting with video games and into real life 54 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 4: with my first car, which was a pickup truck to 55 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 4: my brother and I then gutted the catalytic converter for 56 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 4: to allow for more exhaust flow. 57 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 3: My latest vehicle. 58 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 4: Now deceased, a turbocharged Subaru Forester, was also cat lists 59 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 4: and I was easily able to pass emissions with a 60 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 4: tuner module. That is, up until emissions test places would 61 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 4: physically look for cats under the car. How is it 62 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 4: that this can be so easily done while tuning companies 63 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 4: make bank off of this with no repercussions after only 64 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 4: making a simple statement for further their product as not 65 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 4: street legal, even though they know the majority of people 66 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 4: use their product on street cars all the time. It's 67 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 4: as simple as toggling a switch in the program to 68 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 4: shut sensors off that normally would state your car isn't 69 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 4: burning clean. 70 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 3: Interesting thought. 71 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 4: Curious to hear back from you, guys. Thanks and y'all 72 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 4: rock well, you rock too, post Echo killer. I mean, 73 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 4: this is a tail as old as time, as far 74 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 4: as like products that are sold with no repercussions under 75 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 4: the guise of being you. 76 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 3: Know, let's say, not for oral ingestion. 77 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 4: When it comes to certain types of clearly drugs that 78 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 4: are marketed as like incense or something, and there's some 79 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 4: little line on the bag that says not to be consumed, 80 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 4: but of course everyone's buying it and consuming it. 81 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: Oh, like fruzen grape juice distributors during prohibition. Don't do 82 00:04:55,600 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 1: the following things, as they will create an alcoholic beverage 83 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: by any means. Do not do the following three easily 84 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: reproducible steps at home, because you will accidentally create something illegal. 85 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, like the wiggly guy on the side of a 86 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 4: pill bottle saying don't take this in operating heavy machinery. 87 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 3: That's how you know. Those are the fun ones, guys. 88 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 2: Can I just say something when listening to that email 89 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: and reading through with you, Dear Noel I am so 90 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 2: far out of my depth when it comes to understanding 91 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: what types of products are being referenced here. So I've 92 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: been over here just searching for catalytic converter modules and 93 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: different things that I guessed are posts. 94 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 3: Are there a ton? 95 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff out there that is referenced here, 96 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,239 Speaker 2: and man, I don't even really understand what it's doing. 97 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: It sounds like it's increasing. Tell me if I'm wrong, 98 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: increasing the pressure per square inch somehow in your engine 99 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: system to where you're actually getting more horsepower out of 100 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 2: your system. I think that, I mean, I don't understand. 101 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: That's one of them. Met Like, there's also perhaps more efficacious, 102 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: the more unethical life hack is to play with the 103 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: onboard computer system. That that would be what emissions can 104 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: check for, right, so you can It's essentially there are 105 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: things like Freedom Performance. LLC is a tuner manufacturer. Think 106 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: of video games, think of the game Genie for old 107 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: school video game consoles. 108 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, it's a hack jail breaking your car. 109 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: Tries to get around the the EPA's Clean Air Act. 110 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: Wait wait, so this is through the CPU system, that's 111 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 2: what we're. 112 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 3: Saying, Well, part of it is. 113 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,559 Speaker 4: But I think the question, Matt is maybe you're asking 114 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 4: as well, is like, how is this. 115 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 3: Improving the quote unquote performance of the vehicle? Oh? 116 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: Taking out the cap? 117 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? 118 00:06:58,400 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: Is that the question? 119 00:06:59,160 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 3: Yes, it is. 120 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, of like is it making your vehicle faster? Is 121 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 2: it improving acceleration or overall speed? 122 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 4: I think it's like taking the governor off of the thing, 123 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 4: and you know, but it's also making a burn much dirtier. 124 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: It's kind of like, Okay, this is going to be 125 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: really controversial. It's kind of like putting a face mask 126 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: on your car's exhaust. It's uh, if you remove the 127 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: cat the catalytic converter, then the engine can develop more power. 128 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: It's also going to be uh, it's also going to 129 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: be much louder. 130 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 2: Oh okay, I'm the stuff I'm seeing online, guys. It 131 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: makes it. It seems as though it is a serious 132 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 2: problem for carbon emissions. Because on the on motor Dine 133 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: or motordne engineering dot com, you can buy this thing 134 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 2: called a catalytic converter module for long tube headers and 135 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: it states specifically below here in red lettering. Due to 136 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: harbor regulations, this item not sold shipped to California. Also, 137 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: you know, international shipping. 138 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is like the thing is okay. The catalytic 139 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: converter is a good obstacle between your car's engine and 140 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: the world entire when you entire whatever I'm here all day. 141 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: When you remove the catalytic converter, what you're doing is 142 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: letting exhaust leave the engine much more quickly with with 143 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: a one less barrier. That increases your horse power. Yes, 144 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: horsepower is a cartoonish metric. I'm saving that for a 145 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: ridiculous history episode in the Hugunal. But the the issue 146 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: is that other people exist on the planet and they 147 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: want to breathe. And if you if you are not 148 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: concerned about that, then you can make your one vehicle 149 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 1: really get some get some English on it, get a 150 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: lot of power to it. 151 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 4: And presumably, you know, in controlled environments like maybe stock 152 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 4: car races, I would assume that those cars have been 153 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 4: modified in such a way that they would get the 154 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 4: maximum torque or horsepower, but also are probably a little 155 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 4: more on the polluti side. 156 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 1: Well, they're not street legal, That's what I'm saying. 157 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 4: I think this is like, you know, I mean, drag 158 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 4: racing is illegal, but I mean, you know, racing on 159 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 4: a track while it is an open air track. You know, 160 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 4: it's still pumping that stuff out into the atmosphere. It's 161 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 4: not technically the street. I do think that's interesting and 162 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,599 Speaker 4: ben back to pick your car stuff. Brain aren't Catalytic 163 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 4: converters often stolen because they have like precious metals in 164 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 4: them or something, or they can be like you know, 165 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 4: disassembled and stripped. 166 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, chop chop prices single catalytic converters gonna run you 167 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: about eight hundred to twelve hundred. So if you are 168 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: in that unenviable situation where you're selling recreational scrap, do 169 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: try to get above a bucks. Uh, the number probably 170 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: is a little higher now, but last I checked. Yeah, 171 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: that's why. That's why chop chops exist. You make a 172 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: lot more money selling the body parts of the car 173 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: than the car. Entire I gotta stop saying entire it. 174 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 3: Keep it up, keep it going. 175 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I just googled it real quick too, just to 176 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 4: add that they do contain platinum, palladium, rodium, So you 177 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 4: can actually get a couple hundred bucks just for the 178 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 4: like precious metals. 179 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: Lump bonus points if you get a cat from a 180 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: hybrid vehicle. 181 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 2: Stay away. 182 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 3: How come no one say, Camry, Camery, Camray. 183 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 4: So that was a Larry David thing. I did google 184 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 4: this case. I was wondering if there were any additional updates. Uh, 185 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 4: And there was a piece published back in May of 186 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 4: this year. A former AUTI chief to plead guilty in 187 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 4: emissions scandal, Rupert Stadler, a former member of Volksmager's management board, 188 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 4: would be the highest ranking executive to confess wrongdoing in 189 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 4: a case that rocked the industry. And it does look 190 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 4: that he is potentially going to get a plea with 191 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 4: a suspended sentence of still up to two years in 192 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 4: exchange for a full confession and payment individually of a 193 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 4: fine of one point one million euros. It's about one 194 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 4: point two million dollars. 195 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: And uh, yeah, wasn't that fraud by negligence? 196 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 5: Is it that? Just? 197 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, I'm messed up because I wasn't paying attention. 198 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: Don't put me in jail. 199 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 4: He's been on Charleston September of twenty twenty. And yes, yes, 200 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 4: fraud by negligence. 201 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 3: That's interesting. 202 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 4: How do you I always thought fraud implied intention, So 203 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,719 Speaker 4: can you I guess you could accidentally be fraudulent And this. 204 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 3: Doesn't seem like this. It's true to the spirit of 205 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 3: the word exactly. You know what I mean. 206 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: I think there's a I think there's in practice a 207 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: net worth threshold for being able to pleat fraud bite 208 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: negligence exactly. 209 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, but AnyWho, thanks for the info. This is totally 210 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 4: not my wheelhouse worth it entirely no. But this is 211 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 4: interesting information. And again, this does go back to so 212 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 4: many loopholes around products, right, like radar detectors. You know, 213 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 4: you're not supposed to use radar detectors to figure out 214 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 4: where cops are so you can avoid them. You know, 215 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 4: it's it's just not it's intended purpose, at least on 216 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 4: paper when they're selling it to you. But it's of 217 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 4: course the only thing anyone's gonna use it for. And 218 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 4: there's you know, laundry lists of products like that. This 219 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 4: one just seems to be real bad for the environment. 220 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, but the cars sound so loud when they're driving 221 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 2: around to your house. They're just so loud. 222 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 3: I don't love it. 223 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 4: But you know, it's good to have interests, and hey, 224 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 4: we do appreciate the inside information post Eco killer, and 225 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 4: hopefully you're not just hot dogging around town and waking 226 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 4: up old ladies with your with your loud, catless car. 227 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 3: If you are a shame on you, but we still 228 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 3: like you. 229 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I would just say I have some friends 230 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 2: who are good at this and tune their vehicles and 231 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 2: know how to do all that stuff. 232 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 3: For me, hell out of that. 233 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 2: For me having a conversation, yeah, it is having a 234 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 2: conversation with somebody like that is like having a conversation 235 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 2: with an extremely talented guitarist that knows gear right. And 236 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: just this is my only way into it as a drummer. 237 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 2: I don't know a lot of the stuff. I don't 238 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 2: understand it. I can sit there and have a conversation 239 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 2: with somebody about it, but most everything flies over my head. 240 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 2: And it's the same case with this kind of tech 241 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 2: on a vehicle or I. 242 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 4: Was just you got to be immersed in You can't 243 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 4: just intuitively find your way into it. You can kind 244 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 4: of get the basics like we like you and I 245 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 4: just did and then we're graciously assisted by Ben who 246 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 4: is much more immersed than this world. 247 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 3: But to really truly understand. 248 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 4: This stuff, to me is this requires years of you know, 249 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 4: practice and just like really learning the language and being 250 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 4: able to kind of internalize it, and I respect the 251 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 4: hell lot of people that can do stuff like that. 252 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 3: Do you guys have anything else? Cool? 253 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 4: Well, let's pop on to a commercial break, let me 254 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 4: hear a word from our sponsor, and then we'll be 255 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 4: back with some more messages from you. 256 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: And we have returned, guys. I wanted to do this. 257 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 2: In this week's Strange News, I mentioned a UFO dog 258 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 2: fight story that came to us via an email from Victoria, 259 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: who sent us two links. So thank you. Shout out 260 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 2: to you, Victoria for putting us onto that at least 261 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 2: mentioned that we had in this week's episode. But going on, 262 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 2: we're going to give a shout out to Chuck, who 263 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,119 Speaker 2: sent us this voicemail. 264 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 5: Hey, this is Chuck from Springfield, Missouri. If you google 265 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 5: Hotel of Terror, Springfield, Missouri, then you'll get a good 266 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 5: idea of what eminent domain can be and how citizens 267 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 5: can get together and defeat it. So Hotel Terror, Springfield, Missouri, 268 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 5: it's a really good example of eminent domain. Have a 269 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 5: good dat nice. 270 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, the government can take your stuff. 271 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: Well, this is a really good concrete example of what 272 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 2: can happen if you decide you want to fight back. 273 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 2: And say guess what, No, you can't just have my 274 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 2: stuff because you want your creek to be daylight. Whatever 275 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 2: the hell that means. 276 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 3: I haven't heard of this. 277 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: I haven't heard of this. I'm so glad. So what 278 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: called it? Like a Hotel of Terror? Also automatically is 279 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: going to make a lot of us listening this evening. 280 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: Think of like amusement park rides. But this is a 281 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: real hotel, right, This is a place where people can 282 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: pay money to sleep for a night. 283 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 2: It is not a real hotel. What this is a 284 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 2: This is an attraction like Netherworld or you know one 285 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 2: of those things that is open seasonally where you can go. 286 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 2: It's owned by a person named Sterling Mathis. It is 287 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 2: a building there in downtown Springfield, Missouri. And guys, this 288 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 2: is really really cool. Okay, I'm gonna start with a 289 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: story from Ozarksfirst dot com comes to us from February 290 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: twenty first, twenty twenty three. Here's the title. City Council 291 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 2: unanimously invokes imminent domain for Hotel of Terror. Now, this 292 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 2: is a this is a big deal, right, This is 293 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 2: a situation that had been ongoing for years at this point. 294 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 2: I believe it was twenty nineteen, when the whole situation 295 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 2: started when basically, you know, the city said, hey, we 296 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 2: really we need all of this land. We're going to 297 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: buy most of it up. We're going to eminent domain 298 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 2: some of it if we have to, because we want 299 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 2: to literally, like I said, daylight this creek that runs 300 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 2: through this part of Springfield. And we talked about daylighting 301 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,719 Speaker 2: a creek before a little bit like this, because remember 302 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 2: there was I can't remember the story that we talked 303 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 2: about it in, but there is a. 304 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: Situation Springfield Vampire Tunnel, Missouri. 305 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 2: Oh, in Springfield, Missouri, right. I think this is the 306 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 2: same tunnel. I think this is all related to that, 307 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 2: guys in a weird way. It's a black mirror episode 308 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 2: that we're all in. And U Ben, I'm sorry, but 309 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 2: you are played by the actor Ben Bolin. He has 310 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 2: commissioned his face to play you in this level. 311 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 3: Can that be Zach Galvinakis? 312 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 2: No, you're the actor. You're the actor Noel Brown. 313 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I see I see well, I gotta say, Okay, 314 00:17:55,880 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: let's just in the interest of intellectual honesty, Gary Old Ben, 315 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 1: we want to thank you for playing Matt Frederick for 316 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: low these many years. We do fantastic work. Don't know 317 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: how you fit the show in your schedule. I don't know. 318 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, huh, interesting, Sorry, guys, it's a little weird roundabout 319 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 2: way to talk about Black Mirror season six. It's awesome, okay, 320 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,719 Speaker 2: but daylighting this creek because in a city center like that, 321 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 2: you can build over a creek basically right with concrete 322 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 2: and steal and all of that stuff. I think the 323 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 2: attempt here is to daylight the thing, bring it back 324 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 2: to where it is a creek again, where you can 325 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 2: see the water, and make a green space around it, 326 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 2: hence needing to buy up all the property. So Springfield decided, hey, 327 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 2: we're going to eminent domain this thing. They go through 328 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 2: the whole process. At this point, in February twenty twenty three, 329 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 2: it has been four years since the process began. They 330 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 2: offered Mathis around two hundred thousand dollars initially at that 331 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 2: time for this property. Mathis came back and said, well, okay, 332 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 2: I'm not against you buying this property right or eminent 333 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 2: domaining this property taking it from me, as long as 334 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 2: you compensate me for what I need to do to 335 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 2: continue my business. Because this is a business that I run. 336 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 2: He said, I need I need somewhere between one and 337 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 2: two million dollars. I think I've seen it, quote a 338 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 2: couple of places one point five to two million dollars 339 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: to fully relocate this business because it is a haunted 340 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 2: attraction kind of thing where most of most of the 341 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 2: things that exist within that building were you know, either 342 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 2: handmade or custom fitted to that building itself. Right, that's 343 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 2: a lot of labor, that's a lot of costs to 344 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 2: start up in a whole other place, in like a 345 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 2: two or three or more story building like this one is. 346 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 2: Then basically Springfield said, well, no, we're going to move forward. 347 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 2: We're going to we're going to fully do our eminent 348 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 2: domain thing, and well, we'll give you a fair value 349 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 2: price or whatever the heck that term was. Remember that 350 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 2: we went over. 351 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, determined by whom though, Oh boy, okay. 352 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 3: Right, fair may value? Right? 353 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 2: Yes. So mathis the owner of this property and a 354 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 2: bunch of other folks from Springfield got together and they 355 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: created a petition because all you have to do, guys, 356 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: to beat an eminent domain and this sounds really hopeful, 357 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 2: because we've got a good example of it right now, 358 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 2: is get ten percent of the voting public in that 359 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 2: district or that area, that city that you're in, and 360 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 2: get them to tell you, no, you cannot eminent domain 361 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 2: this place. We petition you to not take that action. 362 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,719 Speaker 1: Unless we're talking copcity that it doesn't mean. 363 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 2: Hmm, there you go. Then it won't work. 364 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 4: Well, you're afraid to the fact that someone tried to 365 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 4: create a petition to get it off the ballot or 366 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 4: to make it me voted on, and the city keeps 367 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 4: throwing it out. So there's always some kind of loophole 368 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 4: for these kinds of things, but I hope not in 369 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 4: this case. 370 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 2: Well, in this case, I linked to the petition there 371 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 2: in our doc guys, and it was on change dot 372 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 2: org and it received over fourteen hundred signatures I think 373 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 2: believe one thousand and four and eighty one signatures. But 374 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 2: signatures from somebody online don't matter. You have to get 375 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 2: the signatures of individuals who live in that district that 376 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 2: can vote right or live in that area that can vote. 377 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 2: And they did it. They freaking did it. They got 378 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 2: enough signatures. And I'm going to give you another story 379 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 2: here from Springfield Daily Citizen, posted on May ninth, twenty 380 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 2: twenty three. Springfield City Council repeals eminent domain on Hotel 381 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 2: of Terror. They voted nine to zero to repeal the ordinance. 382 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, good job there. 383 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 2: And it says quote in doing so, the city government 384 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 2: avoids having a referendum election. That story, by the way, 385 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 2: written by Jack McGhee. It's just a really cool story. 386 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 2: It's really really cool. There's a ton more that we 387 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 2: can go into here just about how it kind of 388 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 2: functions and what the Hotel of Terror means for a 389 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 2: lot of the local people there, because it is it's 390 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 2: a prominent looking building. Did you guys see anywhere a 391 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 2: picture of the hotel itself? 392 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's in the Springfield Daily Citizen that you sent earlier. 393 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, how would you describe that building? 394 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 5: Ah? 395 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:25,959 Speaker 1: Well, it is clearly labeled a Hotel of Terror and 396 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: the o's have some some symbols. Inside of the empty 397 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: space of the O, there's clearly painted on blood. It's 398 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: a three story building, rectangular, looks like a possible garage 399 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: entrance or bricked over. There's a bank of eight bricked 400 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: over or plywood over windows. It's clearly designed to be 401 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: the Hotel of Terror. That's real blood? Is that real blood? 402 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: It looks like paint. 403 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 2: I hope it's paint. 404 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 3: Guys. 405 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 2: I see, I think this hotel is really close to 406 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 2: where those tunnels are. 407 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 4: I'm looking at like that like a secret passage. 408 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 2: I may be wrong, Chuck, you you should write to 409 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 2: us again, or anybody that lives in Springfield, Missouri. How 410 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 2: close is this to those purported vampire tunnels? Because I'm 411 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 2: getting such deja vu looking at the overhead map here, 412 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 2: My goodness. 413 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,479 Speaker 1: Jordan Creek right, Jordan Creek is what the Europeans called it. 414 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 1: That's the area, that's the water system that runs beneath 415 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: modern day Springfield. 416 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: Wow, this is really cool. Oh well, I'll tell you 417 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 2: another thing. Just if you are interested in supporting Hotel 418 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 2: of Terror, it looks like they are not going to 419 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 2: be active this twenty twenty three season. I called the 420 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 2: number and didn't get an answer there and their voicemail 421 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 2: was full. So you should check on that if you 422 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 2: run the Hotel of Terror, unless it's just going away. 423 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 2: Maybe it's going away. There is a second location that 424 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 2: the same owner has a place called Dungeons of Doom. 425 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 2: And guys, this place it's in an industrial area and 426 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 2: it looks like it reminds me of the second season 427 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 2: of True Detective, that kind of industrial I don't know, spookiness. 428 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 3: Kind of Nicholas Winding vibes, you know. 429 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, like there's some loading docks all in this area, 430 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 2: but then there's also a haunted house inside the loading 431 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 2: docks or something. Oh, it's pretty cool. 432 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 3: It's pretty cool. Indeed. Yeah, I love those kind of settings. 433 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 3: Let somebody shoot something there, guys. 434 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 2: Oh, yes, maybe. Oh last thing. I reached out to 435 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 2: the Springfield Daily Citizen because that last update was from 436 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 2: last month and they said there are no other updates 437 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 2: as of this time. But that's it, I guess for 438 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 2: this story. Guys. It is a really short one, but 439 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 2: just wanted to bring that to everybody's attention. You can 440 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 2: beat Eminent Domain. You just really got to rally the 441 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 2: troops and hope that you've got some good people on 442 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 2: a council. 443 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's possible to fight city Hall. You don't always win, 444 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 4: but you gotta try and ben back to your point. 445 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 4: Shout out to Mariah Parker aka Lingua Franca, friend of 446 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 4: the show, who is doing this act that we talked about, 447 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 4: filing this petition to stop cop City and being a 448 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 4: very important part of that movement right here. 449 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 2: In Atlanta if you don't mind, guys, let's leave with 450 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 2: a quote from the owner of Hotel of Terror quote. 451 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 2: I'm not opposed to moving, I'm opposed to going bankrupt. 452 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 2: Would anybody here on this panel want to sell their 453 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 2: house for ten thousand dollars? M h. I love that statement, 454 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 2: just being made at a meeting like that, that's pretty incredible. 455 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,479 Speaker 2: All right, Well, that's it for this one. Thank you 456 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 2: so much, Chuck, and we'll be right back with more 457 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 2: messages from you. 458 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: And we have returned. We are going to give a 459 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: very profound thank you to Devin Dominic Gou. Devin writes 460 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: in to say the following, Howdy. First, I'd like to 461 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: say thank you for such a cool podcast. Yours is 462 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: what got me into enjoying podcasts, and I am a 463 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: frequent listener. Thank you, Devin. I am a very analytical 464 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: thinker and love to know why things happen and conspire 465 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 1: as to what other theories are out there. Second, I 466 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: thought it would be fun if you all did an 467 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: episode about the Winchester Mystery House. We all know about 468 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: this one, right guys. 469 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 2: Oh yes, don't go mad and build a house that 470 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 2: is nuts. 471 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 3: Mister Yes, since he got all the passages and stuff right. 472 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 4: Wasn't there kind of a middling PZ thirteen horror movie 473 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 4: made around it in the last handful of years. 474 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 3: I believe there was. 475 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: I imagine there are many many spins on this, Devin continues. 476 00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: The man who invented the eighteen seventy three Winchester repeating 477 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: rifle built a house with his wife. He died in battle, 478 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: and she continued to live there. She was convinced that 479 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: she was being haunted by the souls of those which 480 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 1: the repeating rifle had killed as punishment for her husband 481 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: making such a deadly weapon. Her spiritual shrink Slash, Priest, 482 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 1: Slash etc. Told her that two dollars and twenty five 483 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: cents was an absolutely reasonable amount to pay for a 484 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: casadia kidding her spiritual shrink Slash, Priest Slash etc. Told 485 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: her that to get rid of these spirits, they need 486 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: to be confused or driven out by noise. She followed 487 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: as advice, and from that time until her death she 488 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: always had her house being built on and added to. 489 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: The noise from the construction was so loud it was 490 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: said to drive the spirits away, and tears where it 491 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: gets crazy. She took a step further and had them 492 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: build the house in a way that did not make 493 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: any sense. Staircases that led to nowhere, doors that opened 494 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 1: and dropped ten feet into the kitchen, corridors that were 495 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 1: a labyrinth, a safe filled with four safes inside of 496 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: it in the ballroom all caps, a bunch of crazy things. 497 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: Her house was literally an architectural maze. She wanted the 498 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 1: spirits to be so confused in the house that they 499 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: would not have the time to haunt her. There's more 500 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: to this story, says Devin. But I thought you guys 501 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 1: would get a kick out of this house. Pictures online 502 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: show the house is crazy anatomy and there's more to 503 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 1: the safes within a safe story, the Winchester's inability to 504 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: have children, and other stuff. Love your show. Can't wait 505 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: to hear back about what you think. Thanks, and gigem 506 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: gig apostrophe em must start using. 507 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 2: That Is that? Is that an Australian term? 508 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 3: I don't know, but I like it. I like the 509 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 3: sound of it. 510 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope it's not a crazy code word. Her 511 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: dog whistle for something. You know, We're not We're not 512 00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: trying to assist Ctulhu here. 513 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 4: I'll find out soon enough, because I'm just gonna be 514 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 4: blasting this one out, will you niw? 515 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: Yeah it's good to your thing. 516 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess yeah, Yeah, I'm trying to make a 517 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 3: new thing. 518 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 519 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 4: There was a movie Winchester, starring Dame Helen Mirren and 520 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 4: Sarah Snook. I think my personal TV crush from Succession 521 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 4: Shiv The Shiv. It did not give very good reviews, 522 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 4: so I didn't see it, but it does appear that 523 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 4: they're adding some ghostly elements to what is largely an 524 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 4: architectural oddity. But I do think it's interesting the idea 525 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 4: that someone would think that the spirits would be confused 526 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 4: by stars, like, is that who decided that's how spirits work? 527 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: You know? Well, that's an ancient I think the reason 528 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: the speculation or the urban legend builds so well is 529 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: that the idea of using architecture or geography to mislead, 530 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: or to stymy or confuse supernatural entities is very very old. 531 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, you know, pre human beings. 532 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: There's a not one hundred percent, but there's a pretty 533 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: convincing argument that that's how burials started, you know what 534 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: I mean? Put them in the ground, put some rocks 535 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: over them in case they come back and they're paste, 536 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: you know, so like it makes sense thematically narratively Joseph 537 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: Campbell's style, that we would we would see the human 538 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: species continuing these things today. Devin, this is important because 539 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: you need to know that a lot of the rumors 540 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: about Sarah Winchester are absolute gobbledegook, their absolute character assassination. 541 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: To some degree, it's kind of like Elizabeth Bathory probably 542 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: didn't really kill a bunch of young women and bathe 543 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: in their blood because think about the temperature. No one 544 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: thinks about the temperature at which blood clots do. You know, 545 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: how anyway, the technology was are really. 546 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 4: There, Yes, part of some of what we talked about 547 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 4: with Gilbert King about how you know, it's so easy 548 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 4: to get things wrong in headlines these days, with the 549 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 4: whole race to be first to market with ideas on 550 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 4: the internet, and nobody really reads the retraction. So all 551 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 4: this character assassination that you're talking about, Ben that goes 552 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 4: back generations. It just kind of becomes the lore because 553 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 4: it's the most interesting part of the story, even if 554 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 4: it's like the least true part of the story. 555 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned that though, because for a long 556 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: time it started way before stuff they don't want you 557 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: to know. Critics of discourse in media have pointed out 558 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: that retractions are often ignored, and I want to shout 559 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: out you, Matt for a beautiful thing. I think it 560 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: came out last week. You mentioned the context is key 561 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: when you talked about the three human heads headline right 562 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: about put on a coworker's desk, and that's a perfect example. 563 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: Please listen back to I believe it was our listener 564 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: mail segment from the previous week to hear more about 565 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: what we're talking about. Let's also explore the Winchester Mansion. 566 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: Part of the. 567 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 3: Story is true. 568 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: Part of the story you've heard here is true. Sarah 569 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: Winchester was the widow and inheritor, heiress of the Winchester 570 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: Rifle fortune. There is a real Winchester mansion. It is 571 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: a tourist destination on the West coast of the United States, 572 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: and they lean into the ghost stuff so hard. It's 573 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: right now. It's like twenty four thousand square feet, seven stories, 574 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of rooms. I can't remember how many 575 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: even more doors, doors in crazy places to Knowle's point, 576 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: lots of stairways, lots of fireplaces in spots where a 577 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: human would not normally anticipate a stairway or a fireplace. 578 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: And this legend tells us that Sarah Winchester, upon advice 579 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: of a psychic, spent almost forty forty years thirty eight 580 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: years building constantly twenty four to seven because she was 581 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: worried that if she stopped building, the ghost would come 582 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: for her. However, it's there are a lot of there 583 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: are a lot of problems with this story because it 584 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: dates back really to the early construction. The windows, okay, 585 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: a lot of the windows, and there are thousands of 586 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: windows in this thing. They're not regular poor people, non 587 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: arms dealer, heiress class. They're Tiffany and Co. They're stained 588 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: glass or you love stained glass on this show. 589 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 3: And incredible parquet floras and stuff too. 590 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 4: It's like all of the bespoke features of this house 591 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 4: in of themselves are fascinating and beautiful craftsmanship. 592 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of spooky stuff about the windows. 593 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: It turns out most of that, if you look at 594 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: the historical record, is incorrect. Here's what happens. This person, 595 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: Sarah Winchester, she married a guy named William William Winchester. 596 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: William dies not by his own invention, which would be, 597 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: you know, a nice little book end. Historically, he dies 598 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: in tuberculosis in eighteen eighty one, a very real and 599 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: dangerous thing. He leaves her thirty six hundred thousand dollars, 600 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 1: and on top of that, she gets a little less 601 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: than eight thousand dollars a year just off the stocks. 602 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: Because you know, if you're very wealthy, you don't have 603 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: to really do anything. You just live off the interest, right, 604 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 1: you live off other people's labor. So they were living 605 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:51,280 Speaker 1: in Boston at the time he dies tuberculosis. Sarah visits 606 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: psychic a guy named Adam Coombs, and Adam is the 607 00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: one who says the Winchester family is pursed af no 608 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: cap you know what I mean, on God, etc. And 609 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: the only way to keep the spirits at bay, Adam says, 610 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: is to build this thing, make this quagmire of a house, 611 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 1: and never ever ever stop. Here's the plot twist. If 612 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 1: you look at the work of historians, then you learn 613 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:26,240 Speaker 1: that Adam Kuhn's this psychic is made up. A author 614 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: named Susie Smith made up this psychic. Adam Coons for 615 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 1: a book called Prominent American Ghost and she sort of 616 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 1: expanded on Winchester's alleged obsession with the paranormal. 617 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 3: That is some creative license right there. Yeah, it's a. 618 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: Little little bit, a little bit of freestyle, a little 619 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: bit of sway in the morning on that one. So 620 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: the word on the street is that apparently Winchester liked 621 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: being her own architect. She also had multiple homes because 622 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: she was very well to do. She wasn't a trained architect. 623 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: She was kind of going off vibes, you know, like 624 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 1: Elon Musk with running Twitter, just what feels good in 625 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: the moment, you know. And the construction therefore, was trying 626 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: to take one person's fluid brainstorming and create from it 627 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: a concrete structure. So there are a lot of remodels 628 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,919 Speaker 1: halfway through, there are a lot of changes, and the 629 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: idea here is that she just kept going with it 630 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: and the entire time. Also, in her defense, her real 631 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: name is probably Sally, not Sarah, by the way, in 632 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: her defense, she was a philanthropist for the rest of 633 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: her life for those thirty eight years. She wasn't just 634 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: a crazy woman running from ghosts. And there's a lot 635 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: of missogyny that is wrapped up in this modern myth. 636 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see that, Ben, I have been perusing 637 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:15,439 Speaker 2: the official Winchester Mysteryhouse dot com where you can there. Yeah, 638 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,839 Speaker 2: good time. You can book your wedding. Wouldn't that be fun? 639 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 2: If you want to get married, you can do it 640 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 2: at the Mystery House. And I guess you can also 641 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 2: just have a group tour. That's pretty cool. Uh Okay, 642 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 2: So it says here that it costs around five million 643 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,919 Speaker 2: dollars total in nineteen twenty three to build this thing, 644 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 2: which if we put that in the old inflation calculator, 645 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 2: how much would it be in twenty twenty three dollars? 646 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,839 Speaker 1: Ooh, let's let's pull the inflation calculator and check it out. 647 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: Can we get some boops and a boop? Hey? There 648 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 1: we end there? We are uh five million in nineteen 649 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: twenty three. As of now while we're recording June twenty first, 650 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,320 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three is eighty seven million, eight hundred and 651 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,280 Speaker 1: nine thousand, seven hundred and sixty three dollars and thirty 652 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 1: one cents. So this is not This is not just 653 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: like a one and done fun weekend. 654 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:12,240 Speaker 2: It's not a mansion. 655 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 4: This is something else, right, Ben, You mentioned some unusual 656 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 4: construction of the windows, despite them being like highly decorated 657 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 4: and bespoke. 658 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 3: Was there some material that was meant to. 659 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 4: Like block out theoretically block out spirits or keep them 660 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 4: from entering. 661 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: You know, that's a great question. To my knowledge, again, 662 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: this might be a full episode in the future. To 663 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: my knowledge, that was not a real world calculation at 664 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: the time at construction, But I would not be surprised 665 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: if modern myth makers have portrayed it as such. That's 666 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: the problem. 667 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 4: It just reminded me of there's a community of I guess, 668 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 4: roma people that live near where I grew up in Augusta, 669 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 4: Georgia called the Travelers, I guess, And when they build 670 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 4: a new house, they live behind that house in a 671 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 4: trailer for like a year, and they cover the windows 672 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 4: with aluminum foil. The legend is, or the scuttle butt is, 673 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 4: you know, not hearing directly from these folks they don't 674 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 4: really talk to people, is that they're doing that to 675 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 4: kind of exercise or cleanse the house or keep spirits 676 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 4: from going in there. 677 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 3: And that's why they don't occupy it for a full year. 678 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 3: So it's just as interesting. Yet where do people come 679 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:28,359 Speaker 3: up with? 680 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 4: This is definitely what works that stairways to nowhere and 681 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 4: tinfoil on the windows. 682 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: You know, I'm so glad you mentioned the travelers too. 683 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 1: There are so many communities that do not have a 684 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: real representation in mainstream discourse, and as a result, much 685 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:53,399 Speaker 1: like Widow Winchester, their stories are misrepresented. And that's what's 686 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: happening here. That's what's happening with the Winchester Mansion. Devin, Dude, 687 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: Devin the dude also cool. If you like hip hop, Devin, 688 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: you gotta We have to realize that what's happening here 689 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,839 Speaker 1: is a bit of a grift. The people who are 690 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:18,319 Speaker 1: charging tickets for the Winchester Mansion probably do know the 691 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: reality of the story, and they are leaning into the 692 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,840 Speaker 1: narrative That makes sense from a business perspective. That doesn't 693 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 1: make these people bad. They're not letting anyone harm themselves 694 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: on the site. They're not villains. But we need to 695 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 1: be we need to be skeptical consumers of information. 696 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 3: Oh oh, to that point, Ben, and I'm sure you 697 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 3: know this. It was Harry. 698 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 4: Houdini's visit to the property that ended up dubbing at 699 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 4: the Winchester Mystery House because you know, he was a 700 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 4: big debunker. That was something that he was famous for doing, 701 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 4: figuring out how magicians are their tricks, or debunking psychics, 702 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 4: like he was really anti psychic. And he went and 703 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 4: apparently we at least again, this is all marketing material. 704 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,840 Speaker 4: According to the timeline on the Winchester Mystery House site, 705 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 4: he left with more questions than answers, but at least, 706 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,799 Speaker 4: at the very least, he did refer to it in 707 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 4: the press as the Mystery House, and it was in 708 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 4: nineteen thirty or the nineteen thirties that they rebranded it 709 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,760 Speaker 4: the Winchester Mystery House. 710 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and she got some She got a lot of 711 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,319 Speaker 1: hit pieces, because we have to understand this is a 712 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,399 Speaker 1: one percenter at the time. In the time of her life, 713 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,360 Speaker 1: she also went by Sally for most of her life. 714 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 1: So Sarah, Sarah to the press, Sally to the friends, 715 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 1: and people just treated her incredibly unfairly. She was very reclusive. 716 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: She did not have the inclination to respond to the 717 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,800 Speaker 1: court of public opinion. And let's leave it there for now. 718 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 1: We've spoiled the Winchester Mystery House. Right where but there 719 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:08,400 Speaker 1: is something more mysterious going on here. It's it's the 720 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 1: dilemma of who lives, who dies, who tells your story? 721 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: And I think I think we could say that without 722 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:20,359 Speaker 1: getting sued. Matt's shaking his head. That's like coping after us. 723 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 2: I just couldn't believe you said it without you know, 724 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,879 Speaker 2: the cadence. We're getting around it. We're getting around. 725 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:32,440 Speaker 1: So, speaking of getting around, we want to thank all 726 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 1: of our fellow conspiracy realists who get around the world, 727 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 1: get around such interesting adventures and misadventures, and take the 728 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,880 Speaker 1: time to be part of our show. Thank you so 729 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,359 Speaker 1: much for calling, Thank you so much for writing in, 730 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for playing with the wich Aboard, 731 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,479 Speaker 1: and sorry about that. 732 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,280 Speaker 2: John, I've got something for you. Wait, Ben, gig them. 733 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 1: Gigam etymology at gig them, Let's do it. 734 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,400 Speaker 2: It originates from Texas A and M University and those 735 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 2: who have attended that university since nineteen thirty apparently or 736 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 2: something like that, because it was a phrase that was 737 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 2: yelled out and it is associated with also with a 738 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,800 Speaker 2: thumbs up with a right hand to show off your 739 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,719 Speaker 2: Texas A and M. I guess class ring or whatever. 740 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,400 Speaker 2: So that's what giga means. It's not Australian. Sorry about that. 741 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 4: I'm silly, kind of like giggoity in the Family Guy universe, right, yeah, 742 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,319 Speaker 4: more like a there's a couple there's a couple of 743 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,759 Speaker 4: these regional things like bigs, yeah for sure, football le 744 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,279 Speaker 4: associations with even like fun words like like whoah. 745 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 3: Isn't that a thing like in the military? Yeah? And 746 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,360 Speaker 3: then the Marines, I want to say. And then there's one. 747 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 4: That's they say in a New Orleans a lot what 748 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 4: is that one? 749 00:43:54,880 --> 00:44:00,439 Speaker 1: Maine definitely has down sella what which I mean? Down seller? Yeah, 750 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 1: go down into the cellar. That just happens so often 751 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,800 Speaker 1: in that part of the world that it becomes a statement. 752 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:07,960 Speaker 1: But what about New Orleans? 753 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah? 754 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,759 Speaker 1: Indeed who yes? And speaking of whodat? Will end with this, 755 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 1: we have a mission critical update from a nemesies of 756 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,880 Speaker 1: ours in the Southern Hemisphere. You may recognize this person 757 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 1: or this entity from earlier abusive correspondence they sent to 758 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:37,200 Speaker 1: Usnobbyhood writes in to say, massive correction. It's actually nobbin Hood. 759 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,400 Speaker 1: Get it. It's like a Robin Hood plus. 760 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,719 Speaker 2: A joke, got it? 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