Speaker 1: Welcome to the thirty eight annual Around the NFL Podcast
Speaker 1: Fantasy Extravaganza with special guests Marcus Grants, Liz Losa. That's
Speaker 1: hell as in look, it's Liz Losa. Oh as in
Speaker 1: oh my God, is that Liz Losa? Z as in
Speaker 1: cesty Liz Losa? And he as in ah, yes, Liz Losa, Rhoto,
Speaker 1: Pat Patrick Dougherty, the big Fish, Kevin Silva and introduced
Speaker 1: last in accordance with his Ironclad contract writer Brick by Brick,
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthaw. And now your host and two time League
Speaker 1: of Third Champion, Thank you, Matt Money Sniff. And that
Speaker 1: is defending League of Record champion than hand zeus. It
Speaker 1: is well we all have our own Leagues of Record
Speaker 1: And yes, the Fantasy Extravaganza is here, Greg and uh
Speaker 1: and the theme of this year's episode is perfect. How
Speaker 1: do you be perfect on draft Day? How do you
Speaker 1: have the perfect fantasy season? That's what we're here to deliver.
Speaker 1: And Greg, you did, indeed, as you tell us all
Speaker 1: the time, help build road a world into a giant
Speaker 1: in the fantasy. I didn't say anything, and I know
Speaker 1: you're not involved with fantasy as much anymore or at
Speaker 1: all I should say. But I know this episode holds
Speaker 1: a special place in your heart. It does. I mean, um,
Speaker 1: I don't like it when Silva makes little comments on
Speaker 1: Twitter established the run and you know I've done his
Speaker 1: pot a couple of times where he's like, oh, you're
Speaker 1: an old man, You're out of the game. He doesn't
Speaker 1: even respect my opinions anymore. I get, you know. I
Speaker 1: think Rhodo Pat probably feels the same another you know,
Speaker 1: former co worker of mine. I hope Liz Losa respects me.
Speaker 1: I know we respect her. I mean, she got a
Speaker 1: lot more pop than Marcus on the intro. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we've done the show for eight plus years.
Speaker 1: I didn't think you could surprise me anymore with how
Speaker 1: it opens, but that that was incredible. What a talent
Speaker 1: Matt money Smith is as a as a host. But
Speaker 1: I have a feeling you wrote those words. I did
Speaker 1: not write the Liz Losa that was improv Yeah, that
Speaker 1: one took me by surprise. It's a little if you're
Speaker 1: a fan of Family Guy, a rather famous Robert Loggia
Speaker 1: a bit from that show. But yes, this is um
Speaker 1: and Liz does not respect you. By the way, just
Speaker 1: to answer the question. No, probably, I get it. I
Speaker 1: get it. You gotta be in there, either in or
Speaker 1: you're out. But here's what I'm I would say to
Speaker 1: defend myself. When you're out, I think you get a
Speaker 1: different perspective that when all those fantasy guys in the
Speaker 1: bunker and maybe Marcus will come on soon, we'll talk
Speaker 1: about that. There's a little bit of a high of mine.
Speaker 1: And even though they try to get out of it,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, this guy is average a DP fifty three,
Speaker 1: but I have him thirty nine, And it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a strong take. Well how about like, you know,
Speaker 1: I have him fifteen, like, because that's what reality could be. Like,
Speaker 1: reality is gonna be way bigger in terms of surprises
Speaker 1: and anomalies than any of these rankings are ever gonna be.
Speaker 1: So get some stones, fantasy analysts. That's what Wow. I
Speaker 1: like that Greg hitting out against biting the hand that
Speaker 1: once fed him and built his career. Really, I mean,
Speaker 1: he built his career off the back of fantasy sports.
Speaker 1: But that's that's just Greg. That's just great. But do
Speaker 1: you think I would have done it? I would have
Speaker 1: done it forever if um I didn't get some other
Speaker 1: opportunity that felt like, oh, let's do something different, let's
Speaker 1: not be in seventeen leagues and be totally stressed out. Me.
Speaker 1: Me and West we both had that experience where we
Speaker 1: got a little burnt out that fantasy didn't feel as
Speaker 1: fun anymore. Um just you know when it when it's
Speaker 1: your job, when football is fun, but fantasy became a
Speaker 1: little bit of a job. Now you love you love ball,
Speaker 1: and you closely follow every team. Do you really think
Speaker 1: you know, I know you're not active in fantasy leagues anymore,
Speaker 1: but do you think you would the Greg of two
Speaker 1: thousand and ten or whatever it was, would kick the
Speaker 1: Greg of two thousand twenty ones asked, I mean, is
Speaker 1: it really that different in terms of football knowledge versus
Speaker 1: fantasy football knowledge? No, I don't think so. I mean
Speaker 1: luck is easily the most important factor in a fantasy league,
Speaker 1: and everyone that comes on today, I'll admit it. And
Speaker 1: plus so you know, I still got those like I
Speaker 1: still got the the the experience. If I jumped back in,
Speaker 1: I jumped in back all the way and that would
Speaker 1: be the wins of money. Luck is very important, and
Speaker 1: as I said, I did win my League of record
Speaker 1: last year. Even though I had Carson Wentz and Ben
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger is my UH two quarterbacks because you know what else?
Speaker 1: I had Alvin Kamara the greatest championship performance of all
Speaker 1: time in Week sixteen, those six touchdowns against the Vikings.
Speaker 1: I still smile when I think back to that. I
Speaker 1: believe it's Christmas Day. Oh yeah, unbelievable. Anyway, enough of that,
Speaker 1: but did you hear that, Craig? What is that? I
Speaker 1: think we got something on the line. I think, Oh,
Speaker 1: I think it's a big one. That's the big fish,
Speaker 1: the big Fish. Evan Silva is our first guest. I'm
Speaker 1: the Fantasy Extravaganz and how fitting Evan when I'm established
Speaker 1: the run dot com? Dude, how are you? Thank you
Speaker 1: for joining us again? This is officially a tradition on
Speaker 1: the podcast. Yeah, I think we've done this almost five
Speaker 1: years at this point and keeping the tradition alive. It's
Speaker 1: the season is inching closer. I spent my entire morning
Speaker 1: adjusting rankings for the trade and things are things are
Speaker 1: starting to get real, So I'm excited. A tough month
Speaker 1: August this sneaky, the worst month for UH fantasy guru
Speaker 1: like Evan Silva because of just the constant draft kit
Speaker 1: updates and all that stuff. But he is he is
Speaker 1: literally the biggest of fish. As as I've probably said
Speaker 1: on this show before. When I first met him after
Speaker 1: already being his boss for three years and found out
Speaker 1: he's actually six seven and three d and twenty five pounds,
Speaker 1: I had to start changing my tone on instant. Message
Speaker 1: had to start changing, um Evan. It's seriously like draft
Speaker 1: or a fantasy season doesn't start until we have to
Speaker 1: reconsider where Darryl Henderson fits in in the pro football landscape.
Speaker 1: But you know we're gonna get into sleepers and bus
Speaker 1: and again established the run. Um Evan and Adam Levintond
Speaker 1: run that together. And Silva has a column up this
Speaker 1: week's Sleepers and Undervalued, and I highly recommend you check
Speaker 1: that out and check that website out ahead of your
Speaker 1: big drafts. And I guess before we get into some
Speaker 1: sleepers and bus, for one, I had like an overarching
Speaker 1: question for you, because I don't think there are many
Speaker 1: people in this sphere that are more respected than the
Speaker 1: big fish. How much to you when it comes to
Speaker 1: succeeding and the whole theme of today's episode, How do
Speaker 1: you having the perfect fantasy draft. How much um goes
Speaker 1: back to preparation and how much goes to reacting in
Speaker 1: the moment on draft day. As Mike Tyson once said,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody has a plan until you get punched
Speaker 1: in the mouth. His preparation overrated or do you need
Speaker 1: that component? How does it break down to you? Well,
Speaker 1: I think that from an overall UH fantasy success standpoint,
Speaker 1: I think that the draft itself is actually overrated. Now
Speaker 1: it's the most fun part of the entire process. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, except for maybe winning in your championship game.
Speaker 1: But and but so much leads up into it that
Speaker 1: it feels like it's a lot more important than it is.
Speaker 1: I would say it's about thirty of the battle. And
Speaker 1: I think that the waiver wire, working the waiver wire
Speaker 1: and getting guys off of them, being diligent every single week.
Speaker 1: You know, most waiver wire runs occur on Tuesday or
Speaker 1: Wednesday night. Um. Making sure that you are on top
Speaker 1: of that waiver wire every single week, I think is
Speaker 1: the true key to success, because you know, you can
Speaker 1: actually build a team going wide receiver heavy and then
Speaker 1: and then making critical running back pickups during the year
Speaker 1: and building like a super team. This is how these
Speaker 1: these notions of zero running back and um you know
Speaker 1: anchor running back. Uh, these new strategies have come about
Speaker 1: because people have figured out that, especially you know, with
Speaker 1: so many leagues moving toward full PR and stressing more
Speaker 1: flex spots and starting more receivers. You know, traditionally U
Speaker 1: leagues would just start like two running backs too, wide receivers,
Speaker 1: one tight end you know, ship it, you know, a
Speaker 1: kicker and a defense. Now teams are are our leagues
Speaker 1: are are using three wide receivers to flexes full PPR,
Speaker 1: you know, So building around wide wide receiver early builds
Speaker 1: and then using the waiver wire to pick up running
Speaker 1: backs during the season, that's the way to really build
Speaker 1: a super team. So, in other words, a good draft
Speaker 1: strategy is focus on building super positional groups and then
Speaker 1: then you could really focus in your waiver wire, um
Speaker 1: quest on the position group that you maybe didn't overlook
Speaker 1: but you purposely went away from undrafted. Yes, but it's
Speaker 1: also and you also have to consider that it's really
Speaker 1: hard to find like a wide receiver one off the
Speaker 1: waiver wire. You know that that really doesn't happen. I mean,
Speaker 1: generally speaking, like big time wide receivers. We know who
Speaker 1: they all are starting year. That was the last time
Speaker 1: it happened. I mean, it's it's really really rare, and
Speaker 1: and and teams are also running more three and four
Speaker 1: receiver sets, so they're just getting a bunch of more
Speaker 1: wide receivers out there on the field. It's much easier
Speaker 1: to find a productive running back all the waiver wire
Speaker 1: than it is wide receiver. And I think that connects
Speaker 1: to the sleepers and bus we're gonna get to now,
Speaker 1: because to me, the value is is never is not
Speaker 1: a running back at all. Like so all the sleepers
Speaker 1: and the value to me feels like they're at the
Speaker 1: receivers and some at the quarterback position. But I'm gonna
Speaker 1: answer your question to Dan because I thought it was
Speaker 1: such a good one. I think the preparation is important,
Speaker 1: but it's like it's like Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: is preparation. No one prepares more than them. But then
Speaker 1: once they get to the game, it's like you gotta
Speaker 1: just do it by feel, and you've got to do
Speaker 1: it by like all that study and like that, you know,
Speaker 1: it still has like a little in other words, improvisational
Speaker 1: magic that you need. You need that subscription to establish
Speaker 1: a run dot com obviously, but that's not the whole
Speaker 1: battle Sleepers and bus Evan Silva, who's the guy? Like,
Speaker 1: who's the guy? And I even, you know, I in
Speaker 1: my league of record, I have people that listen to
Speaker 1: this show and I actually don't like that, and I
Speaker 1: don't think it's fair, but I feel like, as the
Speaker 1: host of the show, and I need to kind of
Speaker 1: give myself that competitive disadvantage for the listeners because I
Speaker 1: would love to know Evan Silva's favorite sleepers this year,
Speaker 1: the guys that I should be targeting later this month,
Speaker 1: Like who are the guys that really jump out to you? Right? Well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go like with with some deeper sleepers here,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna start off with the guy who's you know,
Speaker 1: has been near and dear to your heart, dan Um,
Speaker 1: Maybe no longer, but he's a guy by the name
Speaker 1: of Sam Donald. Yes, so we we know that the post.
Speaker 1: Well that's what most people are gonna say. He doesn't
Speaker 1: even get drafted in most drafts, and I think that
Speaker 1: he's going to be a quarterback that people may may
Speaker 1: pick up off the waiver wire early in the season
Speaker 1: because I think he's gonna start fast, because first of all,
Speaker 1: he's got a really soft schedule coming out of the gate. Okay,
Speaker 1: Week one against the Jets, who have one of the
Speaker 1: worst cornerback units in the league, just lost Carl Lawson,
Speaker 1: their best pass rusher. We two against the Saints. You
Speaker 1: know Dennis Allen's defense on a on a regular basis
Speaker 1: starts off slow, winds up becoming the strength of the team.
Speaker 1: But if that happens again, I think that's gonna be
Speaker 1: a favorable matchup for Sam Donald in Week two at Houston.
Speaker 1: In Week three playing indoors in all likelihood against one
Speaker 1: of the worst defense in in the league at Dallas,
Speaker 1: we know that that is another potential game indoors where
Speaker 1: Dallas is not an imposing defense whatsoever. And then against
Speaker 1: Philadelphia in Week five. We know that the post Adam
Speaker 1: Gaze effect has had a tangible impact on several players
Speaker 1: over the Over the past couple of seasons, just getting
Speaker 1: away from Adam Gaze has had a positive impact on
Speaker 1: their production. I believe in Joe Brady last year with
Speaker 1: less talent than Joe Brady will be working with this year.
Speaker 1: The Panthers finished top ten in yards per drive, Christian
Speaker 1: McCaffrey's back, d J. Moore is a budding superstar, Terroris
Speaker 1: Marshall looks like he should have been a top ten pick,
Speaker 1: and Robby Anderson, who just got the big contract, reunited
Speaker 1: with Sam Donald. So I think that if you are
Speaker 1: in a position where you want to take like let's
Speaker 1: say Justin Fields or Trey Lance, and you think that
Speaker 1: they're eventually you know, once they get in there, they're
Speaker 1: going to be top five, top ten fantasy quarterbacks. But
Speaker 1: you need somebody to sort of build a bridge to
Speaker 1: those guys that you can get for cheap and we'll
Speaker 1: be productive early in the season. I think that Sam
Speaker 1: Donald is a is a very cost affection effect like that.
Speaker 1: But but like Dan's lead, you start two quarterbacks, so
Speaker 1: that's a great great sleeper And okay, actually your league
Speaker 1: structure changes. But are you really gonna start if you're
Speaker 1: in a one quarterback we're really gonna start Sam Donald
Speaker 1: in the sports four weeks? Probably not? I mean, what
Speaker 1: what good does it do for you? I'd rather because
Speaker 1: I don't see him, and I think you disagree. So,
Speaker 1: as a guy who could potentially be in the top five.
Speaker 1: You know, that's who I want to take as a
Speaker 1: sleeper or potentially top eight. And you mentioned the rookies,
Speaker 1: and at this point it seems like people are drafting
Speaker 1: Lands and Fields high enough where it you know there
Speaker 1: it costs a lot, like you're gonna have to take
Speaker 1: them as your legit QB two, I don't care, like
Speaker 1: I kind of hope Trey Lance doesn't win the starting
Speaker 1: job and that, you know, pushes his value even lower
Speaker 1: and you take him and that's fine, and you just
Speaker 1: stash him because he could be a top five guy.
Speaker 1: Fields could be a top five guy, and the other
Speaker 1: one that've got circled a little bit that isn't who
Speaker 1: eyes Matt Ryan. I think he could be a top
Speaker 1: five guy because that defense is so bad and I
Speaker 1: think the offensive coaching is going to be so good
Speaker 1: that defense. Uh in the NFC South, those secondaries for
Speaker 1: other than Tampa are terrible. And you could just see
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan putting up five thousand yards in like a
Speaker 1: seven and ten season that the Falcons aren't particularly good,
Speaker 1: but you can see him finishing QB five, QB six.
Speaker 1: Usually you don't have a former m v P in
Speaker 1: this type of conversation, But I I get that Matt
Speaker 1: Ryan is a little bit under the radar. UM right now,
Speaker 1: a little breaking news that just went down as a
Speaker 1: recording this Evan Teddy Bridgewater named the starting quarterback of
Speaker 1: the Broncos. Good for him here and um, do you
Speaker 1: think because all right, listen, Teddy replaced by Sam Donald?
Speaker 1: Do you think Teddy is a potential sleeper in that offense?
Speaker 1: There are a lot of good pieces in Denver. Is
Speaker 1: he a guy that you can go get very deep
Speaker 1: in the draft and end up getting nice return on Well,
Speaker 1: I think that one of the reasons that the Broncos
Speaker 1: named Teddy Bridgewater their starting quarterback. And it's something that
Speaker 1: I anticipated happening because, first of all, George Patton, you
Speaker 1: know the new GM brought him over. He knows Pat
Speaker 1: Shermer from Minnesota. But I think that one of the
Speaker 1: reasons they believe that he is a better option to
Speaker 1: manage games than is Drew Lock. And Drew Lock is
Speaker 1: you know, a turnover machine. I mean, this guy led
Speaker 1: the NFL in interceptions. Didn't even you know when you
Speaker 1: started like the games last year? He's been fumble prone. Um,
Speaker 1: and I think the Teddy Dgewater is just a better
Speaker 1: option and not give the ball the other team. The
Speaker 1: Broncos are gonna have a great defense or getting back
Speaker 1: bon Miller, Bradley Chudd's healthy, They've got four stop starting
Speaker 1: caliber cornerbacks, They've got an excellent safety duo. You know,
Speaker 1: that's how they're gonna play there. He's gonna be a
Speaker 1: game manager, whereas I think that Sam Donald is gonna
Speaker 1: be more aggressive in Caroline. I prefer Sam Donald. I
Speaker 1: also think that Sam Donald is gonna have the job
Speaker 1: all year, Whereas if Bridgewater starts to flounder a little bit,
Speaker 1: like they'll be, they'll be quick on the trigger to
Speaker 1: go to Drew Lock. I think he could help though
Speaker 1: kJ Hamler and Javonte Williams, who would be too in
Speaker 1: my sleep. Well, I think he's a really good fit
Speaker 1: with Jerry Judy because I think that um Cheddy Bridgewater
Speaker 1: will pull the trigger like whereas I think that Drew
Speaker 1: Lock he's kind of He's a lot more of a
Speaker 1: chucker and he would have been more positive for Courtland
Speaker 1: Sutton with Teddy Bridgewater when he sees it come open
Speaker 1: and Jerry Judy can get open like Bridgewater is gonna
Speaker 1: go to that when he sees the guy come open.
Speaker 1: I think Jerry Judy can have a hundred catches. People
Speaker 1: should pay attention to the East pretty seasoned report because
Speaker 1: that's where you find out that land Sutton is not
Speaker 1: all the way back from his corn a c L.
Speaker 1: And you see kJ Hamler, who I think could end
Speaker 1: up having, you know, in uh Silva's you know, established
Speaker 1: the run type terms, Spike Weeks, you know a best
Speaker 1: ball guy that has you know, maybe he's not the
Speaker 1: best guy at all season, but he'll rip off three
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty yard games where he has like a
Speaker 1: seventy yard touchdown. I could see that. And I love
Speaker 1: the Dante Williams runs. And you mentioned Judy. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he fits on Sleepers and bus but like
Speaker 1: that's where you look at the running back versus receiver
Speaker 1: value and oh my god, I love Jerry Judy and
Speaker 1: the fact that he's in the sixth round. I mean,
Speaker 1: everyone knows Jerry Judy, but I'd rather have him than
Speaker 1: the running backs taken in the third or the fourth round.
Speaker 1: So I along with you, just stack up those receivers.
Speaker 1: I love me some. The late Chris Westling was big
Speaker 1: on that too. Don't go get the wide receiver. I
Speaker 1: don't know's I'll throw out a Jameson crowder or um
Speaker 1: most anew a couple of years ago kind of a
Speaker 1: wide receiver three type. I go for a Jerry Judy
Speaker 1: type that has more of a ceiling. Now, evan Um,
Speaker 1: let's talk about some bus okay, because let's start in
Speaker 1: on the higher end of things, like the guys that
Speaker 1: are projected to go in the top twenty. Is anybody
Speaker 1: in that group to you that stands out of someone
Speaker 1: with some big red flags right now? Yeah? And you
Speaker 1: know over the over the past couple of years that
Speaker 1: established a run we estati. We've established a lot of things,
Speaker 1: and one of them was the Ten Commandments, the ten
Speaker 1: Commandments of fantasy. And for a while there, uh, the
Speaker 1: number one commandment was that thou shalt not fade the
Speaker 1: big dog. Okay, and the big dog is Derrick Henry Um.
Speaker 1: But things have things change year to year, and now
Speaker 1: the big Dog is entering his sixth season. He's led
Speaker 1: the league in carries in back to back years, a
Speaker 1: ton of wear and tear on his tires. He's entering
Speaker 1: a transitioning offense that added Julio Jones and swapped out
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith, who I thought was brilliant for Todd Downing
Speaker 1: who ran the Raiders in seventeen the Raiders ranked thirty
Speaker 1: in the NFL and rushing attempts, and now he's incentivized
Speaker 1: to call more pass plays because he's got Julio Jones
Speaker 1: and A J. Brown. The defense is terrible. That's a
Speaker 1: team that's gonna be trailing a lot more often than
Speaker 1: last year, when they out kicked the Thagorean win expectation
Speaker 1: by almost three games. The Big not as good as
Speaker 1: their final record. Never thought I'd see it the Big
Speaker 1: and and over the course of his career, Derrick Henry
Speaker 1: has averaged a hundred six total one yard, a hundred
Speaker 1: and six total yards and over one touchdown per game
Speaker 1: in wins, only fifty yards and zero point three t
Speaker 1: d s in losses. You're not gonna get he He
Speaker 1: hasn't had a twenty catch season in college or the pros.
Speaker 1: That's almost a decade worth of sample size. So I
Speaker 1: think that this is gonna be the year that we
Speaker 1: see the Big Dog fall. Mm anybody else in that
Speaker 1: kind of group of stars, how about Aaron Aaron Jones
Speaker 1: is a top ten pick with the talent that he
Speaker 1: has behind him. I'd be a little and a little
Speaker 1: bit of offensive line questions, but it's really more about, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're counting on touchdowns and then you're also counting on
Speaker 1: A J. Dillon not to be a factor. A J.
Speaker 1: Dillon looks good. Colin Hill is a great is a
Speaker 1: great looking third running back. Why not to save Aaron
Speaker 1: Jones as much as you can? If you're the Packers
Speaker 1: for the playoffs, which is basically what they do, You're
Speaker 1: counting on a lot of touchdowns, a lot of explosive
Speaker 1: players out of him. Like that's that's another spot where
Speaker 1: so many of these running backs towards the top. I'd
Speaker 1: rather have a receiver there. Zeke Zeke and sa Kuan
Speaker 1: would be another two. I mean, you you make a
Speaker 1: fair argument. I think that Aaron Jones at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, like he's gonna be really really good, uh,
Speaker 1: in a really good offense. He's excellent in the passing game.
Speaker 1: A J. Dillon doesn't do what Jamal Williams did in
Speaker 1: the passing game. So I think we're a better player,
Speaker 1: though you can just maybe he's a better player. He
Speaker 1: could be. Well, we'll see. Uh. One bust I have
Speaker 1: towards the middle rounds is Kenny Golladay. And you know
Speaker 1: the history of wide receivers changing teams in the in
Speaker 1: the off season has not been great. Now, it went
Speaker 1: really well for DeAndre Hopkins and Stefan dis last year,
Speaker 1: so it's not you know, it's not a a fool
Speaker 1: proof uh process to just completely right off wide receivers
Speaker 1: that are changing. We're I and I was a fish
Speaker 1: you know last year, so um, but this year not
Speaker 1: not going to be a fish. And Kenny Golladay is uh,
Speaker 1: I mean not not only is he changing team, but
Speaker 1: he hasn't gotten any practice time in with his new
Speaker 1: quarterback who took a step back last year. It's a
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett offense. You know, we haven't seen Kenny Golladay
Speaker 1: play football really in a long time. He played in
Speaker 1: four games like a bust of a contract or ever
Speaker 1: heard a guy less like in terms of fantasy value
Speaker 1: or the from the Giants like getting out I didn't
Speaker 1: do anything for you last year anyway? Yeah, exactly. And
Speaker 1: the downgrade I think from Matthew Stafford to Daniel Jones
Speaker 1: is going to be significant so I think that Golladay
Speaker 1: might have Mikey, he might mix in a few spiked weeks,
Speaker 1: but you're he's You're really gonna struggle for inconsistency. The
Speaker 1: guy that no one wants to draft in the Giants
Speaker 1: pass catcher corps and I think still has a stable
Speaker 1: role is Sterling Shepherd. I think that he ends up.
Speaker 1: I mean, he he goes undrafted quite a bit, and
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna end up with eighty five catches. Man,
Speaker 1: I've been wrong on Sterling Shepherd every year, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna just keep being wrong until I'm finally right. It's
Speaker 1: going to be right one of these years, all right,
Speaker 1: And before we say goodbye to the big Fish, is
Speaker 1: there any other players, um you could throw out a
Speaker 1: sleeper or bust category that you've got some rapid fire.
Speaker 1: Throw out a lot of names that either way, all right.
Speaker 1: I mean I was on marquess Kylloway before you know
Speaker 1: he started burning up the preseason, and I think that
Speaker 1: he is an excellent sleeper, and he's a guy that
Speaker 1: in home leagues where maybe some of your competitors have
Speaker 1: not been paying as much attention to the preseason, he
Speaker 1: might end up going late. Now, if you look at
Speaker 1: in the high stakes leagues, he started to go like
Speaker 1: in the ninth round, but you might you probably can
Speaker 1: get him a little bit later in your league's at home.
Speaker 1: I think the Davante Parker his ADP is wide receiver
Speaker 1: fifty five. I have him as the wide receiver forty.
Speaker 1: He's a good value, whole commit. I think it's an
Speaker 1: excellent number two tight end. I think he's rarely going
Speaker 1: to come off the field this season. If you want
Speaker 1: to go a little bit deeper for a sleeper tight end.
Speaker 1: Donald Parham, who the Beat writers say is cutting into
Speaker 1: Jared Cook's role already. Jared Cook is old, falling off
Speaker 1: the cliff cliff, thirty four years old. Donald Parham only
Speaker 1: caught ten balls last year, but three of them worked
Speaker 1: for touchdowns. This guy six ft nine, he was the
Speaker 1: best player in the XFL. Dan, I'm sure you caught
Speaker 1: a bunch of those XFL games that I know how
Speaker 1: you love the a F as a a guy personally.
Speaker 1: But I but but in this offense, if Donald Parham
Speaker 1: can can carve out a role where he's playing like
Speaker 1: six of the snaps, which I think that he can do, um,
Speaker 1: I mean the Chargers offense has won to bet on
Speaker 1: this year. I'm amazed no offense tight end nine or ten.
Speaker 1: I know he's had I guess a little banged up camp,
Speaker 1: but keep take guys that can be the number one
Speaker 1: player at the position. There's a there's a scenario where
Speaker 1: no Ah Fan is tight end one or tight end
Speaker 1: three or whatever it is. So just just take him
Speaker 1: because that's gonna be eleven, twelfth round. Last thing for me,
Speaker 1: um is thank you Evan Silva for joining us. It
Speaker 1: is the first day of school for so many parents
Speaker 1: across the country, including Evan and myself. And you have
Speaker 1: a wonderful daughter to go pick up, So thank you
Speaker 1: for making the time, buddy, and best of luck and
Speaker 1: everybody go to establish the run dot com. Thanks for
Speaker 1: having me a rank you there he goes Greggy the
Speaker 1: big fish, the largest of all fish. And by the way,
Speaker 1: if you want to take this moment here to do
Speaker 1: your little victory celebration about your boy Teddy Bridgewater, a
Speaker 1: little ted talk for Greg Rosenthal because he's got a
Speaker 1: shot here to lead a very promising Broncos team. I
Speaker 1: I had to admit that was bad podcasting by me
Speaker 1: during that segment because I'm scrambling with trying to get
Speaker 1: Evan silv out on time. I'm looking for sleepers and
Speaker 1: bust and I don't think the enormity of Teddy Bridgewater
Speaker 1: taking that job quite hit me yet. Let's just celebrate
Speaker 1: it right now. Let's go like I'm a Patriots fan.
Speaker 1: If the Patriots and the Broncots are playing, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: root for the Patriots. But this year I'm a Broncos fan.
Speaker 1: Already was getting there, and now with this news, I
Speaker 1: don't need anymore. They were once the team of West
Speaker 1: tl Um, but now I don't need to wait till
Speaker 1: the season starts. See how they look. They are the
Speaker 1: team of th h A L. Rosenthal. I'm all in
Speaker 1: on the Broncos. They're going to the playoffs. I think
Speaker 1: they'll win a playoff game. This everything I wanted from
Speaker 1: Teddy last year in Caroline. That's gonna happen with this
Speaker 1: great roster in Denver. Love it. You know you you
Speaker 1: often mocked me for going third person, but this. You know,
Speaker 1: if I went to a patent office right now and
Speaker 1: I find out that team of th H A L
Speaker 1: is already registered, I'll know that you're Machabeliott. I think
Speaker 1: I broke it out once now, but now yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's sticking. I don't know if I can. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just was trying to make a rhyme with West
Speaker 1: t L or a t L. There's really no way,
Speaker 1: but I believe it. I mean, I do. I have
Speaker 1: fun with Teddy. I think it's okay to root for players.
Speaker 1: Not everyone that you root for has to be the
Speaker 1: best player in the league. But I really do think
Speaker 1: this roster is super Bowl ready if they had Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers and Playoff ready with a little Teddy and and
Speaker 1: don't get it twisted. And I know we we've been
Speaker 1: at crossover Teddy Bridgewater, but I I've never had anything
Speaker 1: against Teddy. In fact, he's a great story and a
Speaker 1: great comeback story and by all accounts are really good dude.
Speaker 1: So I'm really torn because I'd like to see your
Speaker 1: analysis go up in flames and him struggle, and that
Speaker 1: would bring me a lot of joy personally. But also
Speaker 1: if Teddy thrives, that's a nice thing too, because he's
Speaker 1: a good dude who deserves it. I appreciate the honesty.
Speaker 1: I think after eight years, we're just now more honest
Speaker 1: with other Speaking of good dudes, our next guest is
Speaker 1: a mainstay on NFL Network, NFL dot com, The Fantasy Podcast.
Speaker 1: You see him all over the dial this time of year,
Speaker 1: and now we welcome him back to the Round the
Speaker 1: NFL Pod Cast. He is the great Marcus Grant. Happens
Speaker 1: to me, man, stuff like that never happens to anybody
Speaker 1: except from Marcus. Yeah, how about Marcus gram in a
Speaker 1: Boomerang reboot? You in the Eddie Roll? How about that?
Speaker 1: That was? That was sort of my life in like
Speaker 1: junior high in high school after that movie came out,
Speaker 1: because especially because his name was Marcus Graham really close
Speaker 1: to my name, So you don't know how many people
Speaker 1: would just walk up to me in like high school
Speaker 1: and just go mar That was that was my life
Speaker 1: as a teenager. Well you could have you could have
Speaker 1: worse role models, for sure. And I know this reference
Speaker 1: is too old for Erica, but I love Boomerang so
Speaker 1: much that it was like my favorite uh movie to
Speaker 1: watch when it was on HBO. There's just so many
Speaker 1: great lines in it and a great cast, and I
Speaker 1: just want I want Marcus in the Marcus Graham role.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that's asking too much. Let's do
Speaker 1: it all right, Marcus, welcome back. Uh, you're as rock
Speaker 1: sold as it gets in the industry. Well, there's only
Speaker 1: but even though Evan Silva is the big fish, we
Speaker 1: only have big fish on this show, and you're a
Speaker 1: big one indeed. And I just want to say, Marcus,
Speaker 1: we are breaking it down kind of by tears here
Speaker 1: or I'm not saying to you, Marcus, but the audience. So, Evan,
Speaker 1: we focused on the sleepers and bus and some overall
Speaker 1: fantasy philosophy. Uh, with Mr Grant wide receivers and tight ends.
Speaker 1: What do you feel about this positional group? Um? Overarching
Speaker 1: thoughts as we get into the conversation, Well, you can't
Speaker 1: pick two more different positional groups in terms of depth.
Speaker 1: Wide receiver is by far the deepest and tight end
Speaker 1: is easily the thinnest. So it's sort of I've taken
Speaker 1: two different approaches with it. Where I tend to go
Speaker 1: very early on tight ends. I've drafted Travis Kelsey in
Speaker 1: the first round in counters drafts this offseason. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: if I don't get him that, I'm fine with a
Speaker 1: Darren Waller and works Kiell somewhere in the first couple
Speaker 1: three rounds tight or wide receiver. Rather, you can sort
Speaker 1: of wait on because there is such a depth. A
Speaker 1: lot of times I might not go until the fourth
Speaker 1: round before I get my first wide receiver, just because
Speaker 1: there's still plenty of quality players there and I can
Speaker 1: feel okay about it. I want four. I want four
Speaker 1: or five wide receivers though, like I mean that are good,
Speaker 1: like top forty wide receivers. I want four or five
Speaker 1: because injuries are gonna happen. Hopefully you've gotta flex spot,
Speaker 1: especially if you've got a flex and three receiver starters.
Speaker 1: I I was really surprised out as a Fantasy outsider
Speaker 1: Marcus to see when I checked in on the ADP. Wow,
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey is going twelve because to me, it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, He's always been Travis Kelsey. He's never
Speaker 1: gotten twelve before. So I don't want him the year
Speaker 1: that he is going twelve because to me, nothing's different
Speaker 1: about him. He's still the same guy. He's great. You're
Speaker 1: locking in a tough position. I get it. But you know,
Speaker 1: I mentioned Noah Fan. There's other guys, Mark Andrews, There's
Speaker 1: plenty of breakout type guys that I feel like you
Speaker 1: could get later when can just stack up those like
Speaker 1: superstar receivers at the top if you can get them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think anything has changed with Travis Kelsey.
Speaker 1: I think things have changed with us. It's that every
Speaker 1: year we kept trying to tell ourselves that, you know what,
Speaker 1: tight end is gonna be deeper this year, It's gonna
Speaker 1: be deeper this year, and it never was. We we
Speaker 1: would always come into August thinking that, hey, you know what,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be these mid round tight ends and at
Speaker 1: least a couple of them are going to pop. And
Speaker 1: then we get to October and we're like, this is
Speaker 1: a morass and this is awful and why did we
Speaker 1: think this? So I think instead of just going all
Speaker 1: that like that, yeah, Instead, instead we decided to forego
Speaker 1: that and we're like, you know what, there are three
Speaker 1: guys that we know we can count on at this point.
Speaker 1: Just make the leap and reach for them. So it's
Speaker 1: not that it's not that I think Travis Kelsey has
Speaker 1: gotten better or Darren Waller, George Kittle, they're all really good. Uh,
Speaker 1: It's just that I think a lot of us are
Speaker 1: sick of sort of you know, throwing darts at the
Speaker 1: might Sicki's of the world and hoping that something great
Speaker 1: comes to that. It's a strong argument because if you
Speaker 1: think about it, it's kind of mirrors the Marcus Grant
Speaker 1: career actory. Nothing's changed with Marcus Grant, Like he's always
Speaker 1: been a fantasy fantasy analyst one, but it just took
Speaker 1: a while for the NFL to realize it and start
Speaker 1: pushing him up that draft board. Put the top of
Speaker 1: the jet Charry, put him on TV more. I'm seeing
Speaker 1: you in the prese. It's it's great. So you you are,
Speaker 1: Mr Kelsey, Marcus and I are grinders in the NFL
Speaker 1: media sphere. We we just rose up um just through
Speaker 1: pure effort. Hey speaking of tight ends. So yeah, we
Speaker 1: all know the big three. And I'm looking at um
Speaker 1: an a DP site to trust to fantasy football calculator,
Speaker 1: and I see Kyle Pitts and I see him going
Speaker 1: according to their rankings average reposition top fifty. That is
Speaker 1: a fourth round pick. Yeah, Kyle pits Now where does he? Where?
Speaker 1: Do where? For you? Is that a guy that you
Speaker 1: want to invest a Still that's a premium draft pick.
Speaker 1: Was first five picks in a rookie, now a rookie
Speaker 1: that people say can transform the position. But are you
Speaker 1: willing to get in on the ground floor with Kyle
Speaker 1: Pitts that early in the draft. I'm not. I I look,
Speaker 1: I completely understand the arguments of people who do. I'm
Speaker 1: just not one of them. I've got him kind of
Speaker 1: is my sixth tight end, Right, You've got your big
Speaker 1: three and then whatever order you want to put Mark
Speaker 1: Andrews and t J. Hawkinson, that's fine with me. And
Speaker 1: then I've got Kyle Pitts there. Everybody. You know, we
Speaker 1: we a lot of times, you know, set these expectations
Speaker 1: for players. Last year, you know, Clyde Edward de Laier,
Speaker 1: I think was a victim of our expectations, where people
Speaker 1: overdrafted him because of what we thought he could be.
Speaker 1: And I sort of worry that about Kyle Pitts because, um,
Speaker 1: we have set his his standard arbitrarily somewhere just south
Speaker 1: of like saturn um and and for him to kind
Speaker 1: of hit that if you're drafting him as the fourth
Speaker 1: tight end off the board, you were expecting him to
Speaker 1: hit his absolute ceiling. And history just kind of shows
Speaker 1: us that that doesn't happen with tight ends, and because
Speaker 1: we have set that ceiling so high, it just feels
Speaker 1: really difficult for him to get there. I think even
Speaker 1: if he is very good, which I expect, I just
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna be where people are anticipating him being.
Speaker 1: I think next year, I think we can talk about that.
Speaker 1: But I think this year I would have him as
Speaker 1: my sixth tight end, maybe draft him somewhere a few
Speaker 1: rounds later, which basically boils down to I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: draft him because he's gonna be gone before that opportunity comes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's fascinating. I I you're saying that Hockinson was
Speaker 1: in the next three. That's it's another one as a
Speaker 1: fantasy outside him, Like what that he's in that three?
Speaker 1: Because I just do think about, like which what you guys,
Speaker 1: who do you want on your real team? I do
Speaker 1: think people get a little caught up in the situations more. No,
Speaker 1: a fan is a better football player than Tej Hockinson.
Speaker 1: It's not even close in terms of fantasy skills, in
Speaker 1: terms of a receiver. So it's like, why so is
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews. I don't even think they're in the same ballpark.
Speaker 1: Maybe Hockinson changes, he develops, and he's in a great situation.
Speaker 1: But I don't get that. I'm gonna throw a question
Speaker 1: by you, Marcus, because I want to get this take
Speaker 1: out there. It's my number one fantasy take of the
Speaker 1: of the year. So it's not really a question, it's
Speaker 1: just a pleasure. It's fall. The question is like the
Speaker 1: guy that you can't draft at wide receiver too early,
Speaker 1: that there is no too early for this guy. That
Speaker 1: if Marcus has twenty teams, you're happy that he's on
Speaker 1: seventeen of them, you know, But but usually a pretty
Speaker 1: good guy for me, without any doubt, it's Terry McLaurin.
Speaker 1: I don't think you can take Terry McLaurin too high.
Speaker 1: I think if he's you're at the top of the
Speaker 1: second round, I don't care. That's not too early for him.
Speaker 1: You want to take him in the first round. I
Speaker 1: don't even care. Like I would put I would put
Speaker 1: Davante Adams ahead of him, maybe Stefon Diggs, and that's it.
Speaker 1: And and sometimes I think you get caught up in
Speaker 1: like let's beat the I a DP by four or
Speaker 1: five spots or whatever. I personally just think he is
Speaker 1: going to have a monstrous season with with Fitzpatrick, I
Speaker 1: think yards is like absolutely within reach. And so to me,
Speaker 1: I couldn't take him too early. If I was drafting,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna take him in every draft. That's the
Speaker 1: guy I'm staking my claim to. Do you have a
Speaker 1: guy like that at wide receiver? I do well. First
Speaker 1: of all, I you know, I don't think you're crazy
Speaker 1: with the mclaua and take there. He You know, when
Speaker 1: when the football team went out and got Ryan Fitzpatrick,
Speaker 1: everybody who's already high on Terry McLaurin just went to
Speaker 1: the moon about him, just because we know what Ryan
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick can be and what That's what I thought. And
Speaker 1: then I looked and he's still like the eighth or
Speaker 1: ninth receiver in the end of the third round. That
Speaker 1: surprised me because to me, the moon is like wide
Speaker 1: receiver one. I think that's possible. It's like a football
Speaker 1: team tax here that just because I I'm I'm guilty
Speaker 1: of this. Like when I think about it and I
Speaker 1: look at the top five or six receivers that are
Speaker 1: going Adams, Hill, Digs, Hopkins, Ridley, Metical, Jefferson, scary Terry
Speaker 1: is not there? Is it because he's got a bad nickname?
Speaker 1: Is it because Washington's offense has just been so uninspiring
Speaker 1: for decades now that is turning off basics Like me?
Speaker 1: I think I think it's some of that. I also
Speaker 1: just think it's you know a lot of times it's
Speaker 1: muscle memory, right when you see that, you know, Davontae Adams,
Speaker 1: Stefon Diggs, Tyreek Hills, those guys. Uh, It's just we
Speaker 1: have become accustomed to drafting those guys as the first
Speaker 1: handful of players off the board, and it's hard to
Speaker 1: do that. It's hard to sort of break away from that.
Speaker 1: So maybe that has something to do with it. But
Speaker 1: I mean, to answer your question for me, it's seedee lamb.
Speaker 1: I mean's you know, same division on a team that
Speaker 1: I think is gonna throw the football a ton, on
Speaker 1: a team that has become certainly more dack centered over
Speaker 1: the years, uh, and on a team that defensively I
Speaker 1: don't expect them to be, you know, a ton better
Speaker 1: than they were last year. So I think that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are gonna be in a lot of track meats,
Speaker 1: which means, uh, you're going to have Dack throwing the
Speaker 1: ball a lot, and this talk that they want to
Speaker 1: move Lamb all over the formation. You get him just
Speaker 1: outside of just being in the slot and get him
Speaker 1: outside a little bit um. You know, I also think
Speaker 1: he's definitely getting a hard knocks bump um, you know,
Speaker 1: with with some of those highlights and stuff we're seeing there.
Speaker 1: But but Ceedee Lamb is a guy that I have
Speaker 1: been trying to draft in a mini places and it's
Speaker 1: been you know, a lot of virtual fist fights because
Speaker 1: everybody's kind of feeling this way about Ceedee La hear
Speaker 1: me out on that Devil's advocate on this um, because
Speaker 1: this is out there as a thought as well, Amari Cooper.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna get his targets he's got to eat.
Speaker 1: You have Michael Gallup also in that mix, you have
Speaker 1: z Elliott. He's getting to me a hard knocks bump
Speaker 1: as well, where it looks like he's it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a good Zeke season potentially, and you know that's gonna
Speaker 1: lead to a lot of touches for him. Is there
Speaker 1: not enough footballs to go around to make Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: the breakout player that many people think he will be
Speaker 1: this year, myself included. I mean, I think there's a
Speaker 1: concern about that, but I I think we're sort of
Speaker 1: brushing that off just based on what he did in
Speaker 1: those but four or five games that he had with
Speaker 1: back last year before the injury. I mean, it looked
Speaker 1: like he was going to really take off. And I
Speaker 1: go back to last year and you look at that
Speaker 1: rookie wide receiver class and my take at the time,
Speaker 1: and I still believe this is that last year, Justin
Speaker 1: Jefferson was the guy you wanted as a rookie. But
Speaker 1: if you're talking a longer CEI link for those folks
Speaker 1: who play dynasty football, I thought Ceedee Lamb was the
Speaker 1: guy with the higher ceiling. So I still believe there's
Speaker 1: an opportunity for him. You mentioned Michael Gallup. I keep
Speaker 1: thinking that he is. He's kind of the Jan Brady
Speaker 1: of of that Dallas Cowboys offense. Right. It's like he's
Speaker 1: a good player in a situation where he can get opportunity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's probably not gonna get the same kind of targets
Speaker 1: as Cooper or Lamb, but I think, you know, for
Speaker 1: folks who were drafting and you're looking for a wide
Speaker 1: receiver late Michael Gallup's a really nice option because I
Speaker 1: think if you're looking for kind of a depth ad
Speaker 1: at the wide receiver spot, I think he's gonna get
Speaker 1: plenty of opportunities. I'm amazed by the talent of the receivers.
Speaker 1: You said you might wait at receiver a little bit.
Speaker 1: That's not my game. Um, But there are such good
Speaker 1: guys available in the six fifth, sixth round. I'm kind
Speaker 1: of stunned. I would I would start taking them a
Speaker 1: little early. But of these guys who I all love
Speaker 1: and think like, wow, why it's crazy how talented the
Speaker 1: receivers are getting taking in the sixth round or so,
Speaker 1: give me an order, who you like, who you don't
Speaker 1: Auke and again, I love all these picks Auke, Judy,
Speaker 1: Deonte Johnson, and oh b J. To me, those are
Speaker 1: all like potentially fantastic values to to get that late. Um,
Speaker 1: I would probably go au first. I'm just I'm on
Speaker 1: the hashtag team au all day, so I go ayou.
Speaker 1: I would go say Johnson, Uh, Judy, and and putting
Speaker 1: O b J four. And that's a hard call for me.
Speaker 1: The only reason I'm doing that is because I feel
Speaker 1: like there's such a wide range of outcomes with him.
Speaker 1: I think I think the guy that we saw for
Speaker 1: the Giants all those years, that player is still in there. Um.
Speaker 1: But I don't know that that the Browns offense is
Speaker 1: going to feature him the same way that the Giants
Speaker 1: did once upon a time. They've got two very good
Speaker 1: running backs, They've got a defense that is going to
Speaker 1: keep them in every game, so they're not necessarily going
Speaker 1: to have to sling the ball around a lot. Um.
Speaker 1: I do think that, you know, another year with Mayfield
Speaker 1: and and Kevin Stefanski and that offense is going to help.
Speaker 1: But I just feel like there are going to be weeks.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be weeks when when Odell looks like the
Speaker 1: Beckham of old and and he has those spike weeks
Speaker 1: and he helps you win. Uh. There will also be
Speaker 1: weeks where they just don't need him and he's just
Speaker 1: not gonna get a large target share. So it could
Speaker 1: be sort of a roller coaster year for him. He's
Speaker 1: the flip side of Kelsey though to me, where it's
Speaker 1: like there's a chance he's the you know, wide receiver four,
Speaker 1: like when a guy used to get taken in the
Speaker 1: first and second round and he's getting taken in the
Speaker 1: sixth round and he's healthy. It's like I would I
Speaker 1: like taking that guy. That's how you do things. I'm
Speaker 1: a little wary of O. B. J being more name
Speaker 1: than game at this point, as Chris Westling was known
Speaker 1: to say, last thing, real quick, Marcus, which rookie will
Speaker 1: be this year's Justin Jefferson and wide receiver? And why
Speaker 1: is it Elijah More? You know what? I I do
Speaker 1: love Elijah More. I do, and especially for where he's
Speaker 1: going in draft, he seems like a really great value.
Speaker 1: But for me, the answer is gonna be Davante Smith. Um.
Speaker 1: From the moment he was drafted, he was the best
Speaker 1: wide receiver on the Eagles roster. And maybe this is
Speaker 1: their He's going kind of like seventh, eighth round in
Speaker 1: a lot of spots Um. You know, maybe this is
Speaker 1: the Eagles way to sort of make up for whiffing
Speaker 1: on Jefferson last year. But I think he's the best
Speaker 1: receiver on that roster. You know. The one word that
Speaker 1: keeps coming up when you talk about his route running
Speaker 1: is just he's a technician. And I do think the
Speaker 1: Eagles are gonna throw the football a lot more than
Speaker 1: people are anticipating. It's also why I kind of like
Speaker 1: Jalen hurts Uh, if I'm waiting on a quarterback, I
Speaker 1: think there's something. I think there's something there with this
Speaker 1: passing game in Philadelphia. Any deep sleepers, I know, he
Speaker 1: said last question, but just like sprinkle a couple and
Speaker 1: they're not deep sleepers. But maybe at the bottom of
Speaker 1: so my favorite deep sleeper at wide receiver is I'm
Speaker 1: on Ross st. Brown. Um, people are calling me the
Speaker 1: USC homer, and that's fine. I'll take that. That's that's whatever.
Speaker 1: But because when whenever you talk about him he might
Speaker 1: be on, it sounds like but people also keep saying
Speaker 1: People also keep saying that he's sort of going to
Speaker 1: be the Detroit version of Cooper Cup for Jared Goff.
Speaker 1: And if that's the case, that's that's not bad, a
Speaker 1: great one, not bad at all. Marcus Grant follow him
Speaker 1: on Twitter, watch The Fantasy Show on NFL Network, and
Speaker 1: of course the Fantasy NFL Fantasy Podcast. Thank you my man,
Speaker 1: and um, listen, I'm I'm with Martin Laurens. I asked
Speaker 1: the same question, happens to stuff like that never happens
Speaker 1: to anybody. So from Marcus. Very good. The reboot it's coming.
Speaker 1: We were on the schedule. One of the good guys.
Speaker 1: You know, we've been here for what you've been here
Speaker 1: longer than eight years or nine years, like I've been
Speaker 1: here four thousand years. Was one of the one of
Speaker 1: the glue guys inside the company. So it's great to
Speaker 1: see him. Yes, we love Marcus. And no, you got
Speaker 1: in that extra question. You kind of try to usurp
Speaker 1: my power as the host. It's because we're on a schedule,
Speaker 1: and we got to stay on schedule. Now we're three
Speaker 1: minutes behind schedule. We just got like twelve thousand people
Speaker 1: to draft them on st Brown in the fourteenth th round,
Speaker 1: and I think that was an amazing deep sleeper pick.
Speaker 1: So it's gonna help. We'll see how that plays out
Speaker 1: and we'll circle back to that next year with Marcus.
Speaker 1: But coming up next on the show, the train keeps rolling. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: do not have a boomerang ref for our next guest,
Speaker 1: but we're very excited to have him. Ah. He is
Speaker 1: one of the great fantasy writers out there. I have
Speaker 1: to thank this man for taking me to my league
Speaker 1: title last year because I just studied his writings and
Speaker 1: acted accordingly and it all worked out in the end.
Speaker 1: Rhodo Pat Pat already welcome back or welcome to Is
Speaker 1: this second time? First time? I think it's too I
Speaker 1: think yeah. Well anyway, I welcome to the Round the
Speaker 1: NFL podcast from Rhodo World. What's up, buddy? Uh? Not
Speaker 1: much said, I'm one of the greats, but I was
Speaker 1: heard the end of Marcus is talking to me. Marcus
Speaker 1: sounds way more prepared than me. Marcus sounds really smart
Speaker 1: and in the zone. Well, there is a reason you've
Speaker 1: only been on once over the years, Um, Pat like
Speaker 1: an amazing person, writer, h fantasy analysts, and um we
Speaker 1: talked about Brick by Brick. You know a lot Dan
Speaker 1: does on the show. Yeah yeah, our listeners might not know.
Speaker 1: You know, goal line stand that that's the rankings column
Speaker 1: over at Rhodo World. Matthew Polly started it way back
Speaker 1: in the day, and then he gave it to me.
Speaker 1: I gave it to West, and then West gave it
Speaker 1: to Rhoto Pat. Here that's the that's the lineage and
Speaker 1: he he he crushes those rankings with a lot of mirth,
Speaker 1: not even a little bit of mirth, a lot of mirth.
Speaker 1: We go we go all in on the mirth and
Speaker 1: uh yeah, no pressure following in that group. And I'm
Speaker 1: glad you shouted out Mr Polott. Where you could probably
Speaker 1: give people like a hundred guesses who began the football
Speaker 1: rankings at Rhoda World now NBC Sports Edge and our
Speaker 1: baseball group. Matthew Polliott probably wouldn't be one of them,
Speaker 1: but yeah, Polliott is. He's like Crely the brick Layer.
Speaker 1: There's nothing that he did the entire site by himself
Speaker 1: for five years. So yeah, he's like, he's pretty I
Speaker 1: was gonna say he's one of the most unhralded, like
Speaker 1: a secret weapons and he's pretty heralded. Actually, like he
Speaker 1: is heralded, decently heralded. He needs to be even more
Speaker 1: heralded than he is. Matthew Polliott. He is a true
Speaker 1: fantasy sports legend. We are going to talk quarterbacks now
Speaker 1: with Rhoto Pat. But on the subject of branding, and
Speaker 1: we've talked about this on the show as well. To
Speaker 1: change in the name of that website, do you have
Speaker 1: to rebrand and pivot to NBC Sports Edge, Pat, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Edge path Like at least Edge Pat, it's as
Speaker 1: many characters, So I have such a love hate relationship
Speaker 1: with the name Rhodo Pat. Like I like the fact
Speaker 1: that it's memorable and that it's stuck. Yeah kind of
Speaker 1: like I'm like, yeah, it's vintage. Now you know, everyone
Speaker 1: wants vintage, you know the stuff. I was nostalgic before
Speaker 1: it was like even a thing. But you've got the children.
Speaker 1: Now you're kind You're like a grown man, and so
Speaker 1: can you. I like the fact that it's like my
Speaker 1: name are or whatever, Like I'm a one namer, but
Speaker 1: I still would have preferred at Patrick Doharty on Twitter.
Speaker 1: It's just my Irish name. Way too many characters and
Speaker 1: so you know, back in the day too, you wanted few.
Speaker 1: They counted like characters against the Uh like your name
Speaker 1: characters counting. It's your character counts. So if people want
Speaker 1: to you can't have wasting like so many characters in
Speaker 1: the super long name. And that's how that's how Rhodo
Speaker 1: Pat was born. Well, we love it. I love the
Speaker 1: I love it as a hook for your career. But
Speaker 1: now we need to change our focus and talk quarterbacks
Speaker 1: and uh, let's start here. Let's start here. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about some m v p s pasted in present and
Speaker 1: maybe future. Okay At Mahomes obviously the number one quarterback here,
Speaker 1: the only question becomes one, is it too early to
Speaker 1: take a Pat Mahomes? I think that factors in how
Speaker 1: your league is structured. Josh Allen, I imagine we still
Speaker 1: feel very good about Josh Allen. Uh coming off last
Speaker 1: year's incredible season. How about Lamar Jackson the two thousand nineteen?
Speaker 1: Why why not just start there? How do you feel
Speaker 1: about his prospects as a fantasy gold mine? Uh? This season,
Speaker 1: I think he's still clear top five. And you know,
Speaker 1: like what I think Sam the only two thousand I
Speaker 1: think the three thousand yard rushing seasons in NFL history,
Speaker 1: he has two of them. Michael Vick has the third. Uh,
Speaker 1: as you probably know by now, like the way just
Speaker 1: like bank points and like the dual thread quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: such a life back and no one banks those like Lamar.
Speaker 1: But you know, he was like a little volatile and
Speaker 1: inconsistent last year. We're like, like it was nice to
Speaker 1: have he had like that stratospheric upside with the rushing,
Speaker 1: but like the floor was like a little lower than
Speaker 1: probably should have been. Was like the passing inconsistency, Like
Speaker 1: what we really wanted for like the next level for
Speaker 1: Lamar to be like kind of like somebody you could
Speaker 1: almost like safely project is like the QB two QB one.
Speaker 1: It was like that next level in the passing game.
Speaker 1: And was so excited to see Rashad Bateman in this offense,
Speaker 1: like someone who had success like both inside and outside
Speaker 1: in college. Really felt like, you know, like the missing
Speaker 1: no offense to Willie Sneed, but like I'm excited to
Speaker 1: see this guy in the offense. So will h shouts
Speaker 1: to Willie Willy, You've had an amazing career. You know,
Speaker 1: no expectations, you know, don't bury him. He's gonna be
Speaker 1: the number one receiver probably for the Raiders Greg and
Speaker 1: like this was so excited to see, you know, another
Speaker 1: first round receiver. Maybe someoney would take pressure off Marquis
Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown And like it's like the Ravens really needed this,
Speaker 1: like maybe even as just someone they targeted like over
Speaker 1: the middle of the field again, even if they never
Speaker 1: got the outside cooking. And you're like Lamar's trouble getting
Speaker 1: cooking on the outside. Like another guy who can do
Speaker 1: like major damage over the middle of the field down
Speaker 1: if that's the way they want to use them, and
Speaker 1: that's the fact that he's hurt. I was like, kind
Speaker 1: of like haywired the whole thing to me, You Lamar
Speaker 1: missing time with COVID. I guess I'm not actually worried
Speaker 1: about that, but I wanted I I felt like it
Speaker 1: was the narrative made sense at least, like there's an
Speaker 1: easy next step for Lamar to take this year, He's
Speaker 1: got like another first round weapon, and now it's just
Speaker 1: like it's how do you project like that next passing
Speaker 1: game you're drafting? Are you taking a quarterback like a
Speaker 1: lot whether it's early or late early in late I've
Speaker 1: got my homes is the clear cut number one. But
Speaker 1: you know, I'm still who's ending up on your team's
Speaker 1: You've done a million drafts, so that is and that
Speaker 1: is the ultimate test of the fantasy analysts. I know
Speaker 1: some people it's like they put these rankings out there
Speaker 1: and it's like, who's on your team? That's what really matters.
Speaker 1: If I actually go for like an early quarterback, I've
Speaker 1: been ending up with Russell Wilson a lot. Like I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, one of the most maybe the
Speaker 1: most sensible m v P bet there is to me
Speaker 1: amongst people that's like not getting like a ton of
Speaker 1: m v P hype. Have not that he doesn't get
Speaker 1: m vp I. Russell always gets m PPI, but a
Speaker 1: lot of Russell Wilson, a lot of Matthew Stafford's still
Speaker 1: like going barely in the top twelve. I'm surprised by that.
Speaker 1: I thought the hype would be crazy, and I see
Speaker 1: he's going after Herbert, who I love. But there's you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of questions there in Tannehill that that doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense to me. Yeah, there's so much narrative hype
Speaker 1: with Matthew Stafford, and I'm shocked he hasn't like crashed
Speaker 1: the top ten with McVeigh and the best weapons he's
Speaker 1: had in several years, obviously the best coaching he's had,
Speaker 1: but he's still kind of stubbornly like QB twelve, QB thirteen.
Speaker 1: But an interesting point my us in Herbert by the way,
Speaker 1: where you know very good that he set six rookie records,
Speaker 1: but doesn't he kind of feel like an obvious statistical
Speaker 1: regression candidate. Maybe not like a real life play, but
Speaker 1: like they didn't really do anything to changing systems. They
Speaker 1: didn't really do anything that the supporting cast like it's
Speaker 1: a fine supporting cast, like as long as like Mike
Speaker 1: Williams isn't like better line, but like, yeah, they didn't
Speaker 1: like Goose the skills supporting cast at all. That kind
Speaker 1: of feels like some obvious statistical regression to me there,
Speaker 1: I was getting a load of Jalen Hurts early in
Speaker 1: the summer. But I have allowed the Eagles they have
Speaker 1: successfully spooked me just with the way they talked about
Speaker 1: where they talk about him like he's just some guy
Speaker 1: who happens to be on the roster. They talk about
Speaker 1: like he's the someone guy who like stumbled in, Like
Speaker 1: the team is still like I guess we'll get this
Speaker 1: guy a chance. I mean, I don't know. I have
Speaker 1: stunned looking at the ADP that that Joe Burrow and
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence are like the twelve and thirteen quarterbacks. What
Speaker 1: in what world would you want Joe Burrow coming off
Speaker 1: a torn a c L after everything, Like I wasn't
Speaker 1: that excited about him last year relatively for fantasy or
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence with that surrounding and that coaching staff compared
Speaker 1: to like a Matt Ryan or Baker Mayfield. I think
Speaker 1: sometimes people get a little too cute like a bake,
Speaker 1: like Matt Ryan's gonna put up numbers. You just know
Speaker 1: he is. And so if you want to be right,
Speaker 1: and if you want if you want some upside, take
Speaker 1: Tray Lance, like I take Trey Lance, or take Justin
Speaker 1: Fields and don't even worry about your backup quarterback spot
Speaker 1: in the first month. You can totally wait like the
Speaker 1: everyone like draft for week one when they should be
Speaker 1: drafting for the whole season. And Lance especially seems like
Speaker 1: he has, you know, top five type upside if if
Speaker 1: everything went right, I will say with Burrow, the people
Speaker 1: are getting finally spooked with Joe Burrow, like do you
Speaker 1: like I like philosophical quotes from my quarterback if they're
Speaker 1: like over the age of thirty five, like Joe Burrow,
Speaker 1: I thought, was like talking like way to philosophically like
Speaker 1: the summer like a guy who's like twenty four, What
Speaker 1: do you mean? What what quotes? He was like maybe
Speaker 1: the one he said about like I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: I won't trust my legs again. I mean he was
Speaker 1: saying basically that he will get there. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: just kind of like I'm getting like us, like maybe
Speaker 1: this is who I am now. It's kind of what
Speaker 1: he was saying, Like he was like, maybe he wouldn't
Speaker 1: have like not that he's a dual threat. Some doubt
Speaker 1: is creeping in. Maybe that seemed to have creeped in,
Speaker 1: understandably so coming off the touring a c L. But yeah,
Speaker 1: Greg the jail or not the Trey Lance movement that
Speaker 1: I think people were like, this might have been like
Speaker 1: Trey Lance week if he had just like exploded over
Speaker 1: the weekend he didn't like dud, which you know, it's
Speaker 1: all the better, all the better. I like that he
Speaker 1: struggled in the preseason because that's gonna get people off him.
Speaker 1: But Shanahan's not off him. He's gonna be playing him
Speaker 1: in a jugger, not of an offense, potentially sooner than later,
Speaker 1: whether it's Week one or week six, Like that's so
Speaker 1: many times quarterback, more than other positions, you get guys
Speaker 1: that carry you that don't necessarily matter that much. In September,
Speaker 1: I will I will say with Trey Lance, I actually
Speaker 1: would respect the decision to not start him to begin,
Speaker 1: which I almost never say about a rookie quarterback. But
Speaker 1: like I have gotten like a little too fixated, probably
Speaker 1: on the fact that he's an FCS prospect who's played
Speaker 1: one game in two years and it was an exhibition
Speaker 1: I believe against Central Arkansas. It's like you don't just
Speaker 1: give the young man sometime, let him like sponge stuff
Speaker 1: up from Kylie Shannon's give the young man a little time,
Speaker 1: like so I throw him out there like week six
Speaker 1: or seven. I have actually feel like I don't have
Speaker 1: a read you know what they're gonna do with trailing
Speaker 1: I kind of actually, I really do believe it probably
Speaker 1: will be Jimmy Garoppolo week one, but like I kind
Speaker 1: of believe the rookie is gonna start until I see it.
Speaker 1: Like I just don't pay attention to any coach or
Speaker 1: whether have Zach Wilson, then Trevor Lawrence and and Borrow
Speaker 1: and and some of those guys up there too well Trevor.
Speaker 1: I feel like people were like over have been over
Speaker 1: projecting the legs for Trevor Lawrence, like he is like
Speaker 1: a big physical guy and he had the rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, man, if the Jacksonville Jaguars
Speaker 1: are really gonna be like letting Trevor Lawrence like run
Speaker 1: in like near the goal line? Are they really on
Speaker 1: the exposing him? It's like these huge linebacker hits. And
Speaker 1: I think that's the Trevor Lawrence like fantasy narrative has
Speaker 1: come from people like pull up a sports reference, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: eight rushing touchdowns every year. This guy was gonna like
Speaker 1: the sneaky dual threat. But I'm having trouble that. You
Speaker 1: wonder if the Travis Etienne injury now out for the year,
Speaker 1: with that dredded Harlot Liz Frank strikes again, if maybe
Speaker 1: that will make people think, oh, maybe we'll have more
Speaker 1: of a goal line threat. We shall see. You know,
Speaker 1: you really captured my imagination there. Rohdo Pat or NBC
Speaker 1: Sports Edge Pat with uh the the idea of the
Speaker 1: Life Hack QBS. I like that. I like that, and
Speaker 1: to me is the ultimate the guy lying in the
Speaker 1: weeds as an m v P and as the best
Speaker 1: Life Hack quarterback? Is it to you the man in Arizona,
Speaker 1: the man in the desert Kyler Murray another former number
Speaker 1: one overall pick or are there enough red flags whether
Speaker 1: it's the personnel around him or his head coach in
Speaker 1: the scheme? Uh and even his own issues with staying
Speaker 1: healthy and all that ulysses. And where do you come
Speaker 1: down on Kyler Murder You think he's a guy that
Speaker 1: can deliver you a superstar take me into the Promised
Speaker 1: Land season, I do, I'm not sure about. I was
Speaker 1: the media including I guess I'm including us in the media.
Speaker 1: We all love Kyler Murray. So I could definitely see
Speaker 1: like an m v P narrative developing there in terms
Speaker 1: of like winning fantasy leagues. To me, So Gregg asked
Speaker 1: me who I was drafting, and I didn't somehow didn't
Speaker 1: mention Kyler murraycause they kind of always just draft Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray no matter what year it is, no matter if
Speaker 1: it's dynasty or redraft, and or he is like the
Speaker 1: perfect modern fantasy quarterback because the only guy who has
Speaker 1: more explosive dynamic legs is probably Lamar Jackson. And then
Speaker 1: amongst like the dual threat types, he's like, I think
Speaker 1: kind of by far the best pastor Like he's a
Speaker 1: pure passer even though he even though he's a running quarterback,
Speaker 1: to like, he just pure in terms of like the
Speaker 1: way he like he likes to pass, like his mechanics. Uh,
Speaker 1: just I love his ball placement, even though he's been
Speaker 1: like he's still progressing as a pastor. Like amongst the
Speaker 1: guys who really like to run, I feel like he's
Speaker 1: the best past a lot of attempts to a lot
Speaker 1: of volume. Yeah, so much volume. And I just feel
Speaker 1: like he's like at that perfect crossroads of like the
Speaker 1: passing and the running where he he is beyond Pat Mahomes,
Speaker 1: who is the best American athlete on the planet. I
Speaker 1: I do Tyler Murray, I just get over and over
Speaker 1: again and fantasy and like, I feel like he is
Speaker 1: like the embodiment of what you want in a modern
Speaker 1: fantasy court. Have you seen Yanke's first base with Anthony Rizzo?
Speaker 1: I thought you were, say, Luke voight, and I traded
Speaker 1: away trying to think currently, if you're right, you're right.
Speaker 1: I think you're right right now, not like historically, but
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that this at this moment, Kevin Durant's
Speaker 1: having a pretty strong, strong year. But yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't get the difference between Mahomes and like Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers being one round and fifth round. Aaron Rodgers feels
Speaker 1: like if you feel like going safe at quarterback, there's
Speaker 1: no scenario that I foresee that Aaron Rodgers doesn't absolutely
Speaker 1: deliver you great numbers this year. And and it's the
Speaker 1: flip side to like, yeah, take the justin fields that
Speaker 1: has a top five upside, but it also isn't bad
Speaker 1: to just hit doubles. And there's no way Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: is missing this year. There's just no there's nothing. I
Speaker 1: don't see a huge difference between him and and the
Speaker 1: top guys at all. I think with Rogers it's as
Speaker 1: simple ast people open up his Pro Football Reference, they
Speaker 1: see his nine point one touchdown percentage from last year
Speaker 1: bolded because it led the league, and people are like, well,
Speaker 1: there's no way like his touchdown percentage will be that
Speaker 1: high again, instead of I mean it'll be fine, it'll
Speaker 1: be great, it'll be fine. Well, Greg Old, quarterbacks don't
Speaker 1: ever have success. And what about Dak do you have
Speaker 1: any concerns with him coming off the ankle, coming off
Speaker 1: this training camp that's been marred by the shoulder issue
Speaker 1: that's led to the reps and all that stuff. Do
Speaker 1: you are you full speed ahead when it comes to
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott or you have some reservations and you're like, well,
Speaker 1: if I could choose between Deck and say, Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: let me just go with the guaranteed double or the
Speaker 1: home run, or do you say I'll ride with Deck
Speaker 1: he's ready to roll. I think I have allowed myself
Speaker 1: to become hashtag concerned, where it's kind of like a
Speaker 1: weird situation where like, well, I wish I could just
Speaker 1: worry about the catastrophic ankle injuries come back. I wish
Speaker 1: I could just focus on that, and like, you can't
Speaker 1: even just focus your injury, like anxiety from Deck on
Speaker 1: his ankle anymore. Like the shoulder. I'm sure it's fine,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it went from the classic. It's probably gonna practice,
Speaker 1: you know, like tomorrow or Thursday too. Well, we're calling
Speaker 1: the Texas Rangers just to see what's going on with
Speaker 1: the shoulder. I like when they were like, it's nothing.
Speaker 1: What we're calling the rangers because they have no idea
Speaker 1: what this is. So that definitely raised my eyebrob. Why
Speaker 1: they were literally called the Texas Rangers to consult about
Speaker 1: his injury. They've gotta covered, They've got to cover there.
Speaker 1: I hope, Um, you don't hold it against me, by
Speaker 1: the way, that like we call Silver the big Fish
Speaker 1: because you know, you you know, it's it's sharp elbows
Speaker 1: in the fantasy industry. We're we're friends, you know obviously,
Speaker 1: Pat you know we worked together long time. Um, but
Speaker 1: I know there's like a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: resentment potentially. I just I call him the big dog,
Speaker 1: not the big fish. It's the only disagreement there where
Speaker 1: Evans the leader of the industry. No one an NBC
Speaker 1: would ever say a bad worried about Evan. He's the god. Um,
Speaker 1: he's having so much success out on his own. He's
Speaker 1: like the leader of a movement. Basically, Evan. I worship
Speaker 1: at the altar of Evan still. See, it's almost like
Speaker 1: he's Evan is gain this position of power within the
Speaker 1: industry that you have to watch what you say because
Speaker 1: he's got sparrows around him, and if you say something
Speaker 1: to Evan, he might physically come down upon to just
Speaker 1: stand over you menacingly. Yeah, he'll he Evan's a rather
Speaker 1: rather large man. Yeah, he'll just menace me and make
Speaker 1: me take like eight gold Walker shots. Uh, which is
Speaker 1: something that happened one time. By the way. He's he's
Speaker 1: he's a he's a tough one to drink with. Uh.
Speaker 1: So it's hard to keep up. And finally, my last,
Speaker 1: my last question for you wrote a Pat, which rookie
Speaker 1: will be this year is justin Herbert and why is
Speaker 1: it Zach Wilson? So I know that the Zach Wilson
Speaker 1: train has left the station. I've noticed this theme has
Speaker 1: this week. It really did. People aren't taking him in
Speaker 1: fantasy drafts. He's probably going undrafted sometimes in in one
Speaker 1: Q leagues. Now I'm not taking him for the uh,
Speaker 1: the very scientific reason of like when I watched Zach
Speaker 1: Wilson's cost so I'm a miszoo alum. When I watched
Speaker 1: Zack Wilson, uh, he reminded me so much of Drew
Speaker 1: Lock minus the interceptions thrown to linebackers constantly. It's like
Speaker 1: Drew Lock without the turnovers. Something that's good. The way
Speaker 1: his like physical college physical resemblance reminded me so much
Speaker 1: of Drew Lock that, like my mus pre seasons wiped
Speaker 1: that away for me. Lock at no point was as
Speaker 1: like I'm glad though that Rolepat has has mentioned this
Speaker 1: because I did need someone to bring things down a
Speaker 1: little bit for me after the second preseason game and
Speaker 1: they Drew Lock in parison I'm a little bit closer
Speaker 1: now out of to the ground. Thank you. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is when I watched his film. Uh yeah, I'm a
Speaker 1: big film watcher. I'm a noted film Yeah, noted tape
Speaker 1: dosh And like I said, it was good. It was
Speaker 1: like Drew Lock without the interceptions to linebackers. So I
Speaker 1: mean that could be really good as a player profile
Speaker 1: just well, well, I'm just taking a day of my
Speaker 1: day was actual, So I would say I am in
Speaker 1: entree lance. Just when Cash and I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: whaten Kyle Shanahan hand picks someone? He has said not
Speaker 1: He's got a mixed track record lately with hand picking people.
Speaker 1: I'll say maybe beginning with like Tevin coleman Um, but
Speaker 1: when he hand picks the quarterback, was was a home runs,
Speaker 1: but I thought home run. I'm like they traded up
Speaker 1: for Dante Pettis. I'm gonna draft him in every dynasty
Speaker 1: league in existence, and then that didn't work out. Are
Speaker 1: you gonna sorry? Last last question, Um, whether it's a
Speaker 1: two QB league or you're just looking for a backup,
Speaker 1: you going near a Patriot quarterback in this draft? I
Speaker 1: mean the only one I would go near is yet
Speaker 1: uh Mr Mr Cameron Newton, although he's missing some pretty
Speaker 1: critical uh days of camp. I think that job felt
Speaker 1: close to locked up to me for Cam, and things
Speaker 1: are just set up so beautifully for that power of
Speaker 1: rushing attack and like can't there's some crazy fantasy stat
Speaker 1: I wish I could remember. I think maybe the Lord
Speaker 1: Rich Rebard tweeted it well. I think he had like
Speaker 1: his many Top eight Fantasy weeks last year. He had
Speaker 1: like more Top eight Fantasy weeks than like only four
Speaker 1: or five quarterbacks, you know, the other weeks he was like,
Speaker 1: you know then like below thirty. Uh, but that's the
Speaker 1: rushing is just so important in fantasy and they're set
Speaker 1: up so well to run. But yeah, now he's he's
Speaker 1: giving Mac Jones a runway to take the job where
Speaker 1: uh you know, Mac has really Cam had a six
Speaker 1: cecil preseason parents as maca the really successful appearance. He's
Speaker 1: looking good in practice. Tom Current, NBC Sports Boston thinks
Speaker 1: he could back door the job. And now Cam, despite
Speaker 1: being perfectly healthy because of his coronavirus goof uh you know,
Speaker 1: not knowing the protocol. It's not practicing for like the
Speaker 1: most critical week of practice of training camp, and I'm
Speaker 1: afraid he may have has maybe left the door Ajar
Speaker 1: for Mr mac all right, excellent work. Follow him at
Speaker 1: Rhodo pat uh NBC Sports still an amazing site to
Speaker 1: go to go to, even though Greg left, even though
Speaker 1: Levin Silver left and West left. When you have guys
Speaker 1: like Rhoto Pat anchoring the operation, they're almost like, I
Speaker 1: don't know why I am using a baseball reference the
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Race, Like you think, oh, they can't survive this,
Speaker 1: they can't survive that guy. Le No, they keep thriving
Speaker 1: and building a championship contender. So check out that site,
Speaker 1: and of course read Rhoto Pat, and I sincerely do
Speaker 1: thank you. I I read you every during the season,
Speaker 1: and it makes me a smarter fantasy head. So thank you,
Speaker 1: good sir. It's truly my pleasure. And you just made
Speaker 1: me sound like I think I'm the most important NBC
Speaker 1: employees since. And you've got a podcast to which I
Speaker 1: joined like a month ago, and I was honking hard
Speaker 1: about Marcus Callaway and all the little fantasy experts on
Speaker 1: the show. We're like whenever now now it's now, it's
Speaker 1: come around where everyone's in on Callaway, I would say,
Speaker 1: I have a hundred percent Marcus Calloway exposure, as we
Speaker 1: say in the industry. Now he's gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: more expensive after what happened Monday night. But you were right,
Speaker 1: you were You've been beating that. That wasn't a necessary Colm.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I only remembered it because his
Speaker 1: buddy Danny reminded me on he's been fired. He's been
Speaker 1: he'd be fired, he's been. Let go. All right, There
Speaker 1: he goes Rhodo Pat, Pat Dharty, thank you, buddy. There
Speaker 1: he goes Rhodo Pat. Is it just me Gregor? It
Speaker 1: is Pat to already have like a connor or vibe
Speaker 1: that just matches well with this show. Absolutely. He He
Speaker 1: is legitimately one of the funniest people I know. And
Speaker 1: West would always talk about that too, like a lot
Speaker 1: of people, a lot of sportswriters think they're funny, you know,
Speaker 1: Pats pets legit funny. But someone on Twitter pointed out
Speaker 1: something that blew my mind speaking of Connor, and I'm
Speaker 1: wondering for your take on it. You might have to
Speaker 1: listen to the tapes. Someone noticed that a Reef Hasan
Speaker 1: actually was my friend, my friend Adam who has a
Speaker 1: Great Saints Twitter podcast guest on Monday Show. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: a Reef Asan and connor Or sound a lot alike.
Speaker 1: Their voices are very similar. And then I thought about it.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I see that, is it possible
Speaker 1: that we are all connor Or in some ways? Just
Speaker 1: like the tone of it and the way they talk.
Speaker 1: I can I can feel it. What if this is
Speaker 1: all just a simulation and Connor's running it like Algae
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Speaker 1: don't feel confident of about what's gonna happen to me.
Speaker 1: Like don Cheedle, you don't have to say yes to everything.
Speaker 1: If a script lands in your lap and I said, hey,
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Speaker 1: It's like all Algae Rhythm, that's his movie. Maybe pass
Speaker 1: There are some red flags sometimes just simply through a name.
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I'm just delighted that we're having a
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Speaker 1: What was it like working with the great Key for
Speaker 1: Southern That is a whole evening we'll have to discuss.
Speaker 1: But actually, um, I only was supposed to have like
Speaker 1: three lines in the episode. But I am very good
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Speaker 1: another actor and gave me another episode and a promotion
Speaker 1: because he had a temper tantrum. And you know, thank
Speaker 1: you to my mother's dating history. I'm really good at
Speaker 1: um managing Brown toddlers for you. How about that? That's
Speaker 1: amazing I have and I have a great before we
Speaker 1: get into running Backstock with Liz, a really quick great
Speaker 1: Keefer story. Um a friend. This is back when I
Speaker 1: was living in New York. Keefer likes to go out
Speaker 1: and get loose and have fun. And he's my buddy's
Speaker 1: coming out of the bar. And who's kind of stumbling
Speaker 1: out of the bar, but it's Keefer Sutherland himself. And
Speaker 1: this at the height of twenty four theme and the
Speaker 1: guy my buddy, he was feeling no pain himself. He
Speaker 1: went up to Keep you and says, Keefer, you're my
Speaker 1: hero man. And then Keeper looks at him dead in
Speaker 1: the eyes and goes, I'm no hero, I'm a disaster.
Speaker 1: I would say that's pretty um, pretty on point for
Speaker 1: what I experienced. But he went again. He was very
Speaker 1: very kind to me, and I got myself another episode,
Speaker 1: which as a whole I still get residuals from that show,
Speaker 1: so please keep watching. Wow, that's great itself gets um
Speaker 1: self awareness by him at least, and a sign of
Speaker 1: self confidence by you two that you're you've got a
Speaker 1: small part on this show and that you had um
Speaker 1: the confidence in who Liz Losa is to to be
Speaker 1: able to talk to the superstar and calm the situation
Speaker 1: down and just realize he's another person. He's a disaster.
Speaker 1: Let's get into it. I don't know how we will
Speaker 1: running backs. Oh well, the running back landscape is also
Speaker 1: a disaster. Why is the running back landscape a disaster
Speaker 1: in the year, Well, we have a lot of this
Speaker 1: is no surprise in the year, but a lot of
Speaker 1: shared back field. We had a bunch of injuries just
Speaker 1: over the last couple of days. We have a bunch
Speaker 1: of like electric rookies with that's that have durability concerns,
Speaker 1: and so like this running back dead zone, it's fantasy
Speaker 1: fans like to call it is a complete cadre of
Speaker 1: question marks. If you will like running back fifty five.
Speaker 1: I tweeted my rankings and just wrote, blessed this mess
Speaker 1: because it could go either way. I think you could
Speaker 1: even extend that after you know, the top five or
Speaker 1: six that there was this I feel like awareness among
Speaker 1: fantasy heads. It's like running backs very volatile, it's very risky.
Speaker 1: You know. Wide receivers have as much upside sometimes and
Speaker 1: are such sure bets. And yet when I look at
Speaker 1: the average draft position, I'm the fantasy outsider. Now it
Speaker 1: feels like it's swung all the way back around because
Speaker 1: I'm looking at all these picks and it's back to
Speaker 1: so running back heavy early. You know, guys I mentioned
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones and Barkley getting you know, first round, but
Speaker 1: mixing and Edwards, Hilaire and Jacobs and Carson and Montgomery
Speaker 1: and like they're all going in round two or three
Speaker 1: against the best wide receivers in the league. And just
Speaker 1: as a philosophy, I don't I don't think I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. I'm not touching any of those
Speaker 1: guys because to me, the receivers are all better bets almostly. Well,
Speaker 1: you're making a good point because in this like running
Speaker 1: back dead zone, in this glut of like you know,
Speaker 1: running back, like I said, running back fifteen to thirty maybe, um,
Speaker 1: that is where last year we found Stefon Diggs for example, right,
Speaker 1: Like that's where you're going to find some of those receivers.
Speaker 1: But it is just really hard to look at your
Speaker 1: roster and not but also that's where you found David
Speaker 1: Montgomery last year. So it is hard to look at
Speaker 1: your roster and not think about all of the facts
Speaker 1: and the construction and the balance that you're trying to achieve.
Speaker 1: And also, I mean, I'm not one who likes to
Speaker 1: say like I am zero RB or zero wide receiver.
Speaker 1: I think and this is something our our friend Chris
Speaker 1: Westling would say all the time, like just take the
Speaker 1: best player. Can get so frustrated, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: what are you trying to do? Just take the guy
Speaker 1: who's the best at the spot. That's what NFL teams do. Um.
Speaker 1: So I think there's a lot of h like a
Speaker 1: lot of credence to that, and it makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense. But I also think when you're actually in
Speaker 1: a draft, like I don't know if Chris Chris, if
Speaker 1: Chris Carson is the RB fifteen and he's available, I
Speaker 1: am not going to talk myself out of that talent
Speaker 1: because I know he won't stay on the field for
Speaker 1: now seventeen weeks in a season, right, But that is
Speaker 1: something that other people will do. So we mentioned Clyde
Speaker 1: Edwards Hlaire and I was one of those people who
Speaker 1: got sucked in last year. I think I took him
Speaker 1: in the top fifteen and it all made on paper
Speaker 1: and everyone was telling me how specially was going to
Speaker 1: be and coming out of LSU he was such a stud. Um.
Speaker 1: We're hearing now the hype machine around him is building
Speaker 1: up again that he's more comfortable in the offense, that
Speaker 1: he's been more involved in the passing game at training camp.
Speaker 1: Are you buying in on that breakout season that never
Speaker 1: happened last year happening in year two or is that
Speaker 1: somebody to stay away from for you? Well, I'm not
Speaker 1: staying away from him. He's my RB fourteen in my ranking,
Speaker 1: so just above that zone that I was talking about,
Speaker 1: he's in the on the bubble heading into the dead zone. Um,
Speaker 1: but I think you've got the draft pedigree, you have
Speaker 1: what look to be a special talented else. You also
Speaker 1: have a lit offense and um, the approval slash enjoyment
Speaker 1: from Patrick Mahomes. All of these things line up. I
Speaker 1: would say that he is not the workhorse and is
Speaker 1: probably not going to be the workhorse we anticipated, but
Speaker 1: that offense lifts enough that if he can start getting
Speaker 1: the passing down reps that you're mentioning, then I don't
Speaker 1: understand why he can't be a low end RB one,
Speaker 1: high end RB two. Yeah, And I like the way
Speaker 1: that their running game looks. In terms of their offensive line,
Speaker 1: they're starting three rookies. Orlando Browns have better run blocker
Speaker 1: like they they really got the tape heads excited during training.
Speaker 1: Came because, I mean during the priests, because they're showing
Speaker 1: a lot more like a lot more power running and
Speaker 1: like different schemes Andy Reid's using the preseason I think
Speaker 1: to tell people that, like, we are going to run
Speaker 1: the ball more. I though, like I'm with you, you
Speaker 1: should always just take every draft as it comes, and
Speaker 1: West would say I always said, like, always be flexible,
Speaker 1: just don't don't have set rules. But just kind of
Speaker 1: looking overall, I have a feeling I'm going to think
Speaker 1: those receivers are better and that you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: take some running backs late and work the waiver wire.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a handful of names I would
Speaker 1: love it running back. You tell me which ones I'm
Speaker 1: wrong or wrong about Mike Davis. Wow, I can't believe
Speaker 1: he's as late as he is for the Falcons. I
Speaker 1: could see him being a top five to ten running
Speaker 1: back uh in that situation. Javanti Williams love him. Damian
Speaker 1: Harris just love the talent, trace sermon. I'll even throw
Speaker 1: in a j Dillon like any one of those guys.
Speaker 1: If you're not taking running backs early, I feel like
Speaker 1: you get one later. Who who's your favorite or least
Speaker 1: favorite out of that group? Al Right? So my so,
Speaker 1: first of all, I agree with you on Mike Davis.
Speaker 1: I am guilty of I think Mike Davis suffers from
Speaker 1: the Tim Patrick syndrome because his name is Mike Davis, right, Like,
Speaker 1: You're just not expecting this baller, and all of the attention,
Speaker 1: frankly is on Kyle Pitts and Arthur Smith, the former
Speaker 1: tight ends coach working in this like wide receiver and actuality.
Speaker 1: So I think he is getting buried a little bit.
Speaker 1: But of the names you picked, I love Damien Harris.
Speaker 1: I've always I loved Damian Harris since he came out.
Speaker 1: People like to forget that Damian Harris was the RB
Speaker 1: one at Alabama ahead of Josh Jacobs. Even though Jacobs
Speaker 1: had all these like flash plays, the knock against him
Speaker 1: was that he couldn't be a workhorse. And oh what
Speaker 1: are we seeing? Like efficiency issues probably linked to durability issues.
Speaker 1: And so the Raiders bringing Kenyan Drake to kind of
Speaker 1: solve that problem. We'll see if they can. Regardless, Damian
Speaker 1: Harris is like a jack of all trades but a
Speaker 1: master of none. But he is reliable. We're seeing Sony.
Speaker 1: I mean this Sony Michelle News now going to Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: We had the clues the team didn't pick up his option.
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick gushed as much as Belichick will gush about
Speaker 1: Harris um, and I just think this is a guy
Speaker 1: who can do everything. They have a rookie who's flashed
Speaker 1: in some places, who early on was combed by the
Speaker 1: RBS coach fears Um to be similar to la Garrett Blunt.
Speaker 1: So now I feel like Damian Harris is just forgotten
Speaker 1: because there is a narrative and we all get stuck
Speaker 1: in this recency bias nonsense. The narrative surrounding the Patriots
Speaker 1: is that you never trust the Patriots running back. Well,
Speaker 1: things change. We saw that in fact, particularly with the
Speaker 1: Patriots last year, Dan, that's a nod to you. And
Speaker 1: now you have Damien Harris as the RB one. I
Speaker 1: have him as my RB twenty. You said some big
Speaker 1: time Patriots running back years over the years, they pop.
Speaker 1: It doesn't usually go one year after another. But Corey
Speaker 1: Dillan certainly I love that with Harris. Their their offensive
Speaker 1: line should on paper is a top three run boxing
Speaker 1: offensive line, and especially if Cam starts, they're going to
Speaker 1: be just running the ball time. Who would you rather have,
Speaker 1: Liz Jonathan Taylor, who really obviously busted out down the
Speaker 1: shirts for the Colts last season, or se Kwan Barkley.
Speaker 1: I have him back to back. It's interesting to say
Speaker 1: that I have them back six and seven in my rankings. Um,
Speaker 1: I think when you look so the conundrum about Barkley
Speaker 1: to me is not coming back from the knee injury.
Speaker 1: That's one thing. I think he's going to be explosive.
Speaker 1: I think he's a lee enough of an athlete to
Speaker 1: regain what he was before. The question is he going
Speaker 1: to get the volume that he had the before and
Speaker 1: when you noticed the fact that he was the high
Speaker 1: draft capital, the second overall pick, and like the urgency
Speaker 1: on behalf of Gettleman in the front office to protect
Speaker 1: this investment. He's just not going to see the number
Speaker 1: of touches and particularly not the number of targets through
Speaker 1: the air, especially with all of these new path catchers
Speaker 1: added to the offense. So I think the issue with
Speaker 1: Barkley is like he's not He'll have the talent. He's
Speaker 1: just not gonna get the volume that we're used to. Taylor,
Speaker 1: to me, is a lesser proved talent. There's no Quentin Nelson.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about Carson Wentz. I think we probably
Speaker 1: overreacted to the injury, but I'm still not feeling great
Speaker 1: about that offense. And rich loves n he minds and
Speaker 1: Marlon Mack is healthy, so I don't think we're gonna
Speaker 1: get volume there either. So overall, when I judge those
Speaker 1: two situations, I'm going in the direction of Barkley because
Speaker 1: talent always breaks tiebreakers. I I worry about Partance. I
Speaker 1: would I would um. I don't know, just he wasn't
Speaker 1: that consistent runner before he got hurt. A lot of
Speaker 1: show you know, a lot of like losses. Jason Garrett's
Speaker 1: the you know, a lot of you know, tackles for lost.
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett's the play caller. You you mentioned West earlier
Speaker 1: that that reminds me and and our listener should know
Speaker 1: Liz is um on this show because you know she's
Speaker 1: such a We got to know Liz through through West.
Speaker 1: Great great friend, longtime friend of West. He he. I
Speaker 1: remember when he called Jonathan Taylor one of the top
Speaker 1: five or six running backs in the league around like
Speaker 1: week fourteen last year. I was like, whoa like? And
Speaker 1: and I think it was right just in terms of
Speaker 1: pure talent. You're right about the situation is not perfect
Speaker 1: there for him. But if if I'm betting on just talent,
Speaker 1: I actually would go on Jonathan Taylor's talent at this
Speaker 1: point over Barkley coming off an injury just because the
Speaker 1: injury has It's just there's too much even if there's
Speaker 1: like a fifteen percent chance that Barkley is like her
Speaker 1: and never the same like, I'm just gonna take a
Speaker 1: guy that's not her right now and Johnathan, I think
Speaker 1: that it depends on the evaluation then, right. My my
Speaker 1: issue with not saying that Taylor is as health or
Speaker 1: as talented right now is that the benefit of running
Speaker 1: behind Wisconsin's offensive line in college, right, So that's helpful.
Speaker 1: One has never had a good offensive line. That still
Speaker 1: remains the case, and now without Plentin wealth Nelson, I'm
Speaker 1: worried that, like one or two more injuries, what does
Speaker 1: Taylor's efficiency actually look like? We we don't know what
Speaker 1: it looks like behind a thin offensive line. UM, and
Speaker 1: my last question for you, Mslissa, which is listen. Mark
Speaker 1: Sessler is recovering right now. He's gonna be back, hopefully
Speaker 1: at either end of this week or next week. So
Speaker 1: I'm on his behalf. As I did on Monday, I
Speaker 1: must bring up Jake Funk, the number two, thirty third
Speaker 1: overall pick in the NFL draft. What is the Sony
Speaker 1: Michelle acquisition mean for Jake Folk? Can? I'm not I
Speaker 1: didn't know that Mark was sick, though, please give him
Speaker 1: my best eyed doorm and I'm bummed he's not here
Speaker 1: to join. Um. I you, oh, you work in fantasy
Speaker 1: when you have nugs on all of these players. And
Speaker 1: I am drafting an all rookie squad article that's gonna
Speaker 1: run next week and Jake Funk was prior to this
Speaker 1: morning's news. UM. On that list are Charles Robinson, who's
Speaker 1: our NFL insider at Yahoo Sports went to training camp
Speaker 1: and the staff was super high on Funk. They were like, Nope,
Speaker 1: we're not going to bring in a vet. It's Funk.
Speaker 1: It's Funk. And then like Xavier Rhods I believe his
Speaker 1: name is, was like running in the preseason and I
Speaker 1: was like, well, I said, but then Funk had a
Speaker 1: really good week two preseason game. I do think when
Speaker 1: you see Sony Michelle coming in, though, all the like
Speaker 1: man to like a fifth and sixth round conditional twenty
Speaker 1: two pick is like not a lot of anything. But
Speaker 1: I do think we have to then imagine that Sony
Speaker 1: Michelle is the backup to Darryl Henderson. But I also
Speaker 1: don't think that they did anything about that until Henderson
Speaker 1: hurt his thumb. I think that everybody was like, uh,
Speaker 1: they think Henderson's the guy. They're worried about his durability.
Speaker 1: Now his thumbs an issue. You see the trade for
Speaker 1: Sony Michelle, but Sony Michelle has not been the picture
Speaker 1: of hell. I think that Funk is gonna get like,
Speaker 1: here's my bold prediction for Mark Sessler. I think Funk
Speaker 1: is going to have two top twenty fantasy outings in
Speaker 1: twenty two. That would be a big win at this point. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean that's a guy, you know, when he's drafted
Speaker 1: hoping that he makes the team. So that's that's a
Speaker 1: big time numbers out of the realm of possibility, right.
Speaker 1: I like it they can both get. Do you have
Speaker 1: any other guys sort of late in the draft that
Speaker 1: you like, maybe not that late, but you know, mid
Speaker 1: mid to late when whenever that that is on a
Speaker 1: lot of loads of teams that you well, I am drafting, Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, I'm drafting Robby Anderson. He's not late,
Speaker 1: but he's too late everywhere. I think he needs to
Speaker 1: get some respect put on his name. The amount of
Speaker 1: the like complete rebrand that he was able to handle
Speaker 1: last year is very impressive, but super late. My guy
Speaker 1: is Gerald Everett, tight end, former Ram now reuniting with
Speaker 1: his former position coach they Shane Waldron in Seattle, and
Speaker 1: I think even if like Russ doesn't cook like even
Speaker 1: at a simmer, Gerald Everett has a chance to be
Speaker 1: number three in targets in that offense. And for a
Speaker 1: tight end who's going in the like sixteenth rounds of
Speaker 1: twelve team exercises, I think he's a great dart throw.
Speaker 1: He is there. You're right, he's their third receiver. They
Speaker 1: don't have a third receiver. And Russ sneaky likes feeding
Speaker 1: tight ends. He just never has a good one. Ever.
Speaker 1: It's always hurt too. They always have like seven of them.
Speaker 1: But if you add up all their numbers, it always
Speaker 1: adds up pretty good. You're right that Everett could could
Speaker 1: be a little Well, there's no Greg Olsen, there's no Hollister,
Speaker 1: and there's no David Moore. So that's like a hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty vacated books. She keeps. She keeps poorly behaved
Speaker 1: men in line and just delivers fantasy knowledge, uh, like
Speaker 1: a faucet running on high. And also she gets residuals
Speaker 1: what do they call that in the industry, They call
Speaker 1: that mailbox money. You get that mailbox money, uh, from
Speaker 1: the Fox Corporation every month or so. So everything's cooking
Speaker 1: for Lizlow. So I guess that's what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: guess everything everything is cooking. Yeah, and we've got f
Speaker 1: one but I can't. You guys, you guys have got
Speaker 1: to have started to watch Survived, to drive right, to survive,
Speaker 1: I have watched I have watched a couple episodes and
Speaker 1: I meant to finish finish it off. I've watched some
Speaker 1: F one in my time a little bit. It was
Speaker 1: recommended to me highly that program I have not dove in,
Speaker 1: and it is and I would love actually a Mark
Speaker 1: Sessler driven pod about F one on the inspiration, on
Speaker 1: the inspirational heels of having watched drive the survey. He
Speaker 1: doesn't enjoy driving cars, you know, he's kind of anti
Speaker 1: food and anti cars in general. But that would be
Speaker 1: that would make it, I think it even more. There's
Speaker 1: the hook. That's the whole hook of it. Liz, I
Speaker 1: will I will give Mark that, I'll give me your
Speaker 1: regards and I'll give him that little career tip. But
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us and best of luck this
Speaker 1: season and hope to see you at a league tent
Speaker 1: pole event in the not so distant future. Thanks so much, guys,
Speaker 1: have to see you soon. You know. Liz was awesome,
Speaker 1: all the guests awesome. This was a really good, strong
Speaker 1: edition of the Fantasy Extravaganza. As we we we seek
Speaker 1: to give you the listener the perfect fantasy draft and
Speaker 1: have the perfect season. And it is perfect to me
Speaker 1: that even after last year's struggles and how he bungled
Speaker 1: and you'll never convince me otherwise the end of the
Speaker 1: Tom Brady era that I could still see a headline
Speaker 1: like I'm reading right now from CBS Sports dot Com.
Speaker 1: Sony Michelle trade grades Colan Bill Belichick works as magic
Speaker 1: again while Rams gained viable running back. You mean the
Speaker 1: same Bill Belichick that took Sony Michelle thirty one overall
Speaker 1: in Tell me how these draft picks that he's gained
Speaker 1: in this trade is a indication of his magic, Please, stupid.
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing. It's not a bad trade
Speaker 1: for either side either, but you don't need to make
Speaker 1: it into something and into it's not. It's too late
Speaker 1: round conditional picks, which might turn into very little at most.
Speaker 1: It's like one, you know, at least, it's like one
Speaker 1: late round pick. It's it's nothing. It's just getting to
Speaker 1: pick an undrafted player essentially in front of anything. It's
Speaker 1: just as a sign they have a bunch of running
Speaker 1: backs on their roster that they like and that's fine,
Speaker 1: um a bunch of yes. But still in the media
Speaker 1: carrying his water right, I agree with you. This is
Speaker 1: not an example to make any take one way or another.
Speaker 1: It's fine. It's fine for both sides. Um and Sony
Speaker 1: Michelle was taken over Lamar Jackson. All reports indicate that
Speaker 1: they were thinking hard about taking Lamar Jackson. I'll never
Speaker 1: forget it. And by the way, he was also taken
Speaker 1: over another Georgia running back, taking very soon in that
Speaker 1: same draft after them, named Nick Chubb. So yes, I
Speaker 1: I saw your tweets. People who are like Sony Michell
Speaker 1: won them as super Bowl It's like, yeah, I'll never
Speaker 1: forget that playoff run by Sony Michelle. They did get
Speaker 1: one more super Bowl, and he played very well in
Speaker 1: that stretch. But you don't think they could have filled
Speaker 1: in that production with someone else, with Antoine Smith or
Speaker 1: La Garrett Blunt or whoever it is that they found
Speaker 1: to you know, hand the ball off. It's like they
Speaker 1: would have found someone. It was a fan and it
Speaker 1: was a bad It does pop out every once in
Speaker 1: a while, good stuff, really good stuff. I feel more
Speaker 1: prepared for my draft. Do you have a draft? Greg?
Speaker 1: Are you completely out there? Do you have a league?
Speaker 1: You have to admit him out? Yeah? That's fun. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't have to admit it. It's fun. I think
Speaker 1: it's a way for you to like sometimes you'll like
Speaker 1: you'll do that thing like I'm different, Like I'm not
Speaker 1: going to get a peloton, I'm gonna get a Nordic
Speaker 1: track because I'm off the beaten path. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to do a fantasy league because that's what you do
Speaker 1: as a basic I think that's kind of what the
Speaker 1: angle you're playing here. But that's I respect you for
Speaker 1: what I mean. That says more about you that that's
Speaker 1: how you interpreted it. Because of course I did keep
Speaker 1: Fantasy League going one or two for a while after
Speaker 1: leaving Rhoda World, but I I found I got nothing
Speaker 1: out of it that I really got. I got a
Speaker 1: little bit of stress and no enjoyment. It's funny we
Speaker 1: even have this one and last thing to worry about.
Speaker 1: We have this stupid fun league that we do just
Speaker 1: like Connie Gonzo, mark Erica, myself, just like a fun
Speaker 1: little like an NFL media hive group. And you didn't
Speaker 1: even do that with us, And it was just everybody
Speaker 1: was just like, you know, we're on this private text change.
Speaker 1: It's like burying you. Like we're all just like, what's
Speaker 1: wrong with Greg? Why can't he just have fun with us.
Speaker 1: But he needs to make this stance about how he's
Speaker 1: above fantasy life. It's it's it's um and the immortal
Speaker 1: words of Don Draper like fantasy football to me, like
Speaker 1: that's what the money's for. Like that's not really the
Speaker 1: context it's for at all, But it's like like I
Speaker 1: got into it. I loved playing in those high I
Speaker 1: love the high stakes league. I loved like playing for
Speaker 1: my rent or like you know, paying for a trip
Speaker 1: to I loved playing for the money. I didn't I
Speaker 1: wasn't playing for like the the to the scratching that
Speaker 1: certain you're not allowed. You're not allowed to at the
Speaker 1: NFL play for uh for money and um or over
Speaker 1: Like it's a very small amount of league, and it's
Speaker 1: like what's the point, Like I have enough distractions and
Speaker 1: all right, fair enough. But for the millions of other listeners,
Speaker 1: UM and fans of our league, this is a big
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. So best of luck to all
Speaker 1: of you with your drafts. And remember my bit of
Speaker 1: advice I give every year, Uh friends do let friends
Speaker 1: drink and draft, but just make sure it's not you.
Speaker 1: Just hold back on the drinking until you get out
Speaker 1: of that, you know, ninety minute window of your draft,
Speaker 1: then cut loose with your buddies. That's all I got
Speaker 1: for you. Do you have any advice for the fans
Speaker 1: of the sport fantasy sport Greg before we take well,
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of duck dailing off. Yeah, that West advice,
Speaker 1: which I really believe. And don't worry about the rank.
Speaker 1: You know, draft the team you want, draft and drafted
Speaker 1: better players, like who's better at football matters a lot
Speaker 1: more than um the situation, Like, don't don't worry about
Speaker 1: being bold, like I would much rather have Terry McLaurin
Speaker 1: than Sae Kwan Barkeley, Like I don't care that it's third,
Speaker 1: you know, the adp than versus six or seven. Just
Speaker 1: take who you want. You know, if you're in love,
Speaker 1: if you're in love with the Chiefs and watching Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes and you have a chance to take Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelsey, it's mostly luck anyways. Old
Speaker 1: you know, old Clyde in the corner making fun of
Speaker 1: you for your pick. He doesn't know anything either, is
Speaker 1: it Clyde Edwards Hilair? I do I do remember some
Speaker 1: very making fun of you for picking Clyde Edward. I
Speaker 1: do remember some very aggressive NFL analysts bragging about taking
Speaker 1: Clyde Edwards Hilaire like first overall and like people are
Speaker 1: people are to see? All right, never again, all right,
Speaker 1: good stuff, we'll be back. Well, we'll do a bunker
Speaker 1: cast on Friday, just get you or Thursday getting you
Speaker 1: caught up on the news that's transpired since the last
Speaker 1: Monday episode. UM So keep an eye off for that.
Speaker 1: But until then, UM, enjoy this podcast, maybe bookmark it,
Speaker 1: listen to it again. Right before your draft. We guarantee
Speaker 1: you we'll win you some guap. All right, the perfect draft,
Speaker 1: that's what you're going for. Till Thursday. He ca