WEBVTT - What was the Falkland Islands War all about anyway? 0:00:01.400 --> 0:00:04.400 Do Do Do? Or wait, what's the opposite? How about 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:11.479 do do Do? Do? Sad Trombone Vancouver and Portland, Oregon. Uh, 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:13.720 we can't come see right now. We're sorry to say. 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:17.440 It's not us. It's the coronavirus told us not to come. 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:20.840 That's right. Uh. Local authorities are shutting down shows of 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.840 the size. We are not able to come. We are postponing. 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:27.920 We will have more information coming as far as rescheduling. UM. 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:30.200 I believe how it works is your tickets are good 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:32.720 if you want to come to that other show, but 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:35.560 we don't know all the details yet. To just bear 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:37.400 with us while we try and figure this out. 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That sounded a little final, The temporarily 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:36.320 for now final studio recording, the indefinitely suspended recordings in 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:40.840 the studio. Yeah, starting after obviously everyone knows what's going 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:49.000 on in this world, say this country, uh coy, but uh, 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:52.560 we are getting set up in our homes. Yeah. I 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:54.920 set up a system yesterday that I just didn't quite 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:58.400 trust for today's. Yeah, it was a little little premature 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:01.400 to test the day after, I think so, but um 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:04.120 I posted a picture of it on the movie Crush 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:06.680 page and I was pretty excited. I was like, guys, 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:10.079 after twelve years, I'm finally a dude recording a podcast 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:14.840 in this basement. Right. You went full circle backwards, full circle. 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:17.560 That's nice. It was funny. People were saying stuff like 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:19.920 just make sure your mom keeps it down upstairs and 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:21.880 that kind of thing. Yeah, I saw that picture. I 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:26.320 love the quilt tablecloth. It's really homespun. It's beautiful. Yeah, 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:29.320 that's my daughter's quilt. I had a gank that, but 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:33.120 it's not okay. It all sounds pretty I mean, she's 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:36.760 not cold at night. We have other blankets. Um, it 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:38.680 sounds pretty good, though. You know, the band room already 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:43.200 had sound baffling, so I just sort of moved some 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:48.440 I moved my bass player out of the way and uh, 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:51.120 because this is kind of over in his corner, and 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:53.120 just kind of positioned it where I'm speaking into this 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:55.239 sort of dense corner, and I did a sound check 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:58.320 and it sounds pretty good. That's great, man, So look 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:02.240 for that coming soon every one. Hopefully you want no difference. Yeah, yeah, well, 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:04.119 I mean like we should we should just not even 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:06.720 mention it and see if anybody notices. Well, our aim 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:11.520 is to keep bringing everyone shows every week, and uh 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.160 to not because you know, podcasts are going to be 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:18.399 a pretty big deal moving forward for people, you know, Yeah, 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:20.280 I guess. So, I mean, like if we can record 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:24.040 remotely and still release on time, like that'll hopefully be 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.560 a source of comfort for people who are just sitting 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:29.840 at home board that's getting a little stir crazy. So yeah, 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.440 that's the aim. So our two aims are to not 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:36.280 come down with coronavirus ourselves and also yeah, and then 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.600 also keep releasing on time and on schedule. That's number two, 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:44.080 all right, so let's do it. Yeah, let's do it, Chuck. Um, 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:47.360 So we're talking the Falklands War and you requested this one, right, 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:49.880 so this is this is your idea? Yeah, you know why. 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:52.360 It was one of those things that happens to us 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.240 every now and then where we think of something that 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:59.640 we remember but you know nothing about. Like I remember this. 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:01.520 I was eleven years old, but I'm like, what was 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:04.600 that all about? Where are the Falkland Islands even right? 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:07.680 What's going on? Now? I know all about it, yes, 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:10.520 but I was wondering if you were, um, if you 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.280 requested it because of the fact that it's starting to 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:16.240 heat up again geo politically down there. No, I had 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:18.839 nothing to do with it, Okay, because it is. It 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:20.560 turns out it is. We'll talk about it at the 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:22.720 end there. But but I was like, wow, that's that's 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:25.240 very prescient. Chuck's got his finger on the pulse of 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:29.760 like some real arcane geopolitics right now. No, this was 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:34.000 this was all just sort of h yearbook memories, right 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:38.000 the Falkland Islands said stay cool this summer, see you 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:42.039 next fall. So I was the first one to write 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:46.440 on your crack. Um, did people do that to you? Oh? Yeah, 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:49.719 that's timeless man. So what we're talking about, though, is 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:56.159 the Falkland Islands War in nine two. Great Britain went 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.680 to war with Argentina over a little tiny group Well 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.240 they're not so tiny. We'll get into that. But um, 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:06.839 as far as livable thrivable areas, these little rocky islands 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.040 out in the middle of nowhere in the Atlantic Ocean, 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:11.800 and and not to say that they're useless, they're definitely 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:13.640 not useless. There are people who live there and have 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:18.560 lived there for hundreds of years now, um, but there's 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:22.120 no there's been archaeological studies of the area and they're 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:26.120 they've turned up zero evidence of prehistoric people living there. 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:31.359 So it's not a highly valuable area. But it is 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:33.960 a place that some people call home. And we're in 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:37.640 no position to poo poo anywhere somebody calls home. It's 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:42.719 just again geo politically speaking, it's really bizarre that that 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:46.160 Great Britain went to war with Argentina over this particular 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:49.560 set of islands. Yeah, and we'll get into the the 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:52.400 ins and outs of that, but in general, it's fair 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:56.720 to say that um old time. Colonialism had a part 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:59.280 in it, but it was also the fact that it's 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:03.000 the fog Land Islands are not super far and if 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:07.520 you're talking about the size of the world from Antarctica, 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:12.680 and you know, anytime there's there's a there are different 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:15.279 countries that want to be set up near other places 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:20.760 seemingly unpopular land but can become popular. It is. Yeah, 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:24.160 every country wants to stake some sort of outpost near 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:28.960 the ancient sleeping ones, the eldritch gods that are asleep 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:32.600 beneath Antarctica right now, to worship them, you know, when 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:36.039 they wake up. But uh that that can lead to 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:39.320 disputes among nations, and in particular Argentina is like, hey man, 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:43.720 these are like four miles off of our coast. Surely 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:47.520 they belong to us. They're about a thousand miles above Antarctica, 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:52.160 the northernmost outpost of Antarctica. But the British say, no, no, no, 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:54.839 these are this is a British territory, even though it 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:59.000 is nowhere near Great Britain in any sense that ever 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:02.080 something before it really hasn't, but and it does. It 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:04.760 has to do with colonialism in the British Empire. But 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:06.960 they they have said, no, we've been here for a while. 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:10.520 This is our place. Yeah. And the Grabster put this 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:15.080 together very detailed, Yes, account, Um, but we're gonna talk 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:18.400 a little bit about the the origin of these islands 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:23.960 and why different countries thought that they were theirs. Yes, 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:27.760 starting in about I think, um, well they think possibly Magellan, 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:32.120 maybe Americo Vespucci. I love that guy's name. They may 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:36.400 have seen the Falklands. Um. But the first the first 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:40.200 British person to have landed on the Falklands was named 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:44.000 John Strong, and he showed up in six And the 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:47.800 Falkland Islands look kind of if you squint and use 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.400 you know, eighty percent of your imagination, look a bit 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:54.000 like a butterfly. And the body of the butterfly is 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:57.119 a channel that runs between the two main islands, East 0:07:57.120 --> 0:08:01.120 and West Falklands. And so he named that channel the 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:05.040 the Falkland Sound after the guy who was running the 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:08.720 show for them, the Admiralty the Navy, I guess of 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:12.080 Great Britain at the time. Um, And he got his 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:17.480 title from Scotland. So it actually is kind of appropriate 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:19.760 that you would name this area after someplace in Scotland, 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:23.080 because it is kind of Scottish climate wise, apparently it's 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:26.600 a little soggy, it's kind of cold, um, and you 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:28.760 kind of have to like that kind of weather to 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:32.360 to survive there and not go crazy. Yeah, and some there. 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.400 He wasn't the first person. Other people had discovered it before. 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:39.160 People came afterward, and it's sort of so removed that 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.400 people showed up afterward. Uh in seventeen and won the 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:49.840 French uh seventeen sixty four more French, and they both said, well, 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:53.440 nothing's going on here. This is ours, and they named 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:57.400 them French names. Yeah. The the the guy who really 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:59.960 made a the first real attempt at settling the place, 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:05.959 Antoine Louis de Bougaonville. He set up a colony and um, 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:07.880 the Spanish showed up and they said, hey, you know 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:10.840 how we basically owned South America. We owned this too. 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:14.200 It's only four dred miles east of us, so so 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:18.440 get out of here. And Bougunville said, um, okay, but 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:20.720 I set up this legit colony and I want some 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:22.840 money for it. So they gave him what would amount 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:25.440 today to about one point one million dollars for it. 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:29.160 Not bad at all. So the French said, okay, Spanish, 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.680 this is yours. We recognize that. Well. At about the 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:35.120 same time, some English settlers showed up and they said, 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:38.240 we're going to settle this place. Had no idea that 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:40.560 the French were even there, had even less of an 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:42.920 idea that the French had just sold their claim to 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:46.079 it to Spain. And the British kind of made their 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:49.520 home there, uh for about a year before they noticed 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:52.200 a French settlement there and went over and said, hey, 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:54.280 this is our place. You need to get out. Yeah. 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:57.280 It's funny too, because Ed made a very ed joke. 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:01.280 Uh he said que yeah, and he said x because 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:03.840 that's kind of what it sounded like at first, like 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.439 Britain settled it. They didn't even notice that there was 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:10.880 a French settlement there until yeah, until a year later. Uh. 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.920 And then this weird exchange starting in nineteen I'm sorry, 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:21.400 seventeen sixty nine started going back and forth where yeah, 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:23.079 you can say that every time we went in the 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:25.440 year from now, I almost let it slip by, and 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:28.280 I was like, last possible second, I'm I'm going for it. 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:31.720 That's pretty good. So this starting in seventeen sixty nine 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:37.200 is weird exchange started where British ships and Spanish ships 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:41.079 would go back and forth trading letters that got a 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.880 little more heated, saying no, you leave, no, you leave 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:49.240 you And then eventually Spain said, oh, you know what, 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:52.760 We're going to send all of our ships and Britain said, fine, 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:56.720 it's yours and in a certain way, yeah, in a 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:59.000 certain way. And this is really kind of critical because 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:02.240 I guess the the Spanish forced the British out, but 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:04.240 I don't know if there was any kind of treaty 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:07.680 signed or any kind of like. Okay, so so this 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:10.840 the Spanish um, the Spanish forced the British out, and 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:14.680 basically I guess took at least possession of the islands. Um. 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:17.839 But this is a big deal. This was um. The 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:22.160 Falklands have been a site of international wars for years now, 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:24.840 and the first one was called the Falkland Islands Crisis 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:28.520 of seventeen seventy, where the French were down there, the 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.040 English were down there, the Spanish were down there, and 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:35.000 all of them wanted this island, mainly because the English 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.880 and the French didn't want the Spanish to control the 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:43.040 entire southwestern hemisphere of the world, which they basically did 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:47.280 by controlling South America for the most part. And Uh, conversely, 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:48.959 the Spanish were like, I don't want the French and 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:50.760 the English to have even just a little bit of 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:52.959 a toe hold here, so they need to get out. 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:54.480 But it was a big deal. It was. It was 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:58.160 literally called the Falkland Islands Crisis of seventeen seventy and 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:00.600 America was like, oh, can we please be a country 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:02.760 quickly so we can get down there too. All right, 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.960 We'll just hang in the background and manipulate everything, all right. 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:11.360 So after that crisis point, England and Spain both had 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:14.600 settlements down there for quite a few years, and they 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:16.679 were just sort of both down there. It was kind 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:19.719 of odd if you look historically, that's usually not how 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:23.040 things go. Yeah, apparently the crisis never came to a 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:26.320 full head and actually just went to a breaking point. 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:29.560 It just continued to simmer. I guess with everybody hanging 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:31.520 out on the island. I bet there were some good 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:36.120 times too, though maybe so. Uh. In the eighteen hundreds, Uh, 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:39.480 they both left and then that kind of it was 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.000 like a reboot almost for the Falklands. No one really 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:45.960 had a claim. Uh, it fell into I mean, it 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:48.760 sounds scary on one hand, but it also sounds like 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:54.400 a wild party because pirates and whalers basically uh ed 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:56.520 described it as had their way with the island for 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.040 two decades, so I guess they had sex with the island. 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.320 They literally humped the island. That's what it was like 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:06.440 down there. But it was it fell into uh lawlessness 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:10.839 and uh piracy, like we said, um. And then the 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:15.560 Argentinian Revolution came around. Spain lost all the claim, but 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:20.000 Argentina it was so rough. Argentina tried to say, hey, 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.520 this is ours and put governors on the island, but 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:27.320 they got rebuffed by the party scene. Yeah, the party 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:29.920 people said get out of here, and they actually did 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:33.840 they this. The the Argentinians failed to install any kind 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:37.000 of government on the island, and so in eighteen thirty 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:40.400 four the British showed up with the governor and they said, 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:45.200 we're installing some law around here. And either they were 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.480 more apt to kill people to get their way, or 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:50.720 the people down there already were more down with the 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.840 British than the Argentinians. I'm not sure, but either way, 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:57.680 the British were successful at installing a government there starting 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:01.800 in eighteen thirty four, so here's the thing, um, from 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:06.080 that moment on, the British had a government set up 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:11.880 and connected to the Government of Great Britain from that 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:17.120 moment on, and that is basically the basis of the 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:19.760 claim that they make that they say, we have been 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.200 living on these islands and one one way or another 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:27.080 continuously since eighteen four. Of course this is our territory. Yeah, 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:30.880 I mean they built a town Stanley, which is as 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.120 far as I know, still the sort of biggest thing 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:39.760 going there. Oh, by far. They were farmers, are farmers, sheep, cattle, pigs. Uh, 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.120 they would do a little fishing. It was a place 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:46.120 where um boats could stop off and get fixed or 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:49.040 fueled up or something or resupplied. Yeah. They make a 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:51.440 little money on the side from tourists who come to 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:56.520 see people humping islands. But we're talking less than five 0:14:56.560 --> 0:15:01.920 thousand people and they are all basically Scottish and Welsh 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:05.000 descendants of those settlers. So if you were to go 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.640 down to the Falkland Islands in the early nineteen eighties 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:12.600 and even now, you would think this is a British outpost. Yeah, dude. 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:15.640 As recently as two thousand thirteen, Great Britain held a 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:20.920 referendum for you know, um self determination among the Falklanders, 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:24.880 and all but four four residents, not four percent, four 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:30.320 residents voted to stay a British territory. What do you 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.680 the four Rossberer they all they want to do is 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:35.400 hump the island. They don't want to be bothered to 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:39.400 think about politics at all, which they call the rossbero Rossberger. 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:44.760 You get it? Get it? Oh boy, maybe we should 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:49.240 take a break, take a little cool shower, and uh, 0:15:49.400 --> 0:16:15.359 we'll come back with more falkland Mania right after this. Okay. 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:17.800 So the British are saying, hey, not only have we 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:20.600 had a claim on this since at least eighteen thirty four, 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:24.640 the people who lived there consider themselves British, it's ours. 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.880 But the Argentinians said, no, you know what, the Spanish 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.680 held this place before the British, and we inherited any 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:35.320 any title to it from the Spanish after the revolution. Um, 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:39.200 there's a there's a it's closer to us. What else 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:41.000 do you want? What do you want to hear? And 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:47.680 the Argentinians claim on the Falklands is actually fairly tenuous. Um, 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:52.800 but that has not stopped them from from kind of 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:56.160 coveting these islands and making attempts to go after them 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:59.920 over the years. Yeah. I mean, you know, Argentina will say, 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:03.520 you guys left in seventeen seventy four, Uh, so you 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:07.560 abandon it. Britain would say, well, you never established any 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:11.240 kind of serenity there. Uh, there were no indigenous people. 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:14.040 It's not like we came down here and kicked all 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.040 your people out of here and displaced them. Um. So 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:20.760 there's really no big moral claims either. And I don't 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:23.000 know if I know enough about it even after all 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.400 this to to really say without making some people mad, 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:31.080 But it seems like it was Britain's Yeah right, I'm yeah, No, 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:35.520 it's it's still like a point of national soreness in Argentina, 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.760 and I think there's a little bit of national pride 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:40.840 in in the UK of it. But yes, the fact 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.240 that the people who lived there and have are descended 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:45.399 some people who have lived there since eighteen thirty four 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:49.359 considered themselves British, that's I agree with you. That to 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:53.720 me says it's it's a British territory, which ostensibly would 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:58.600 make Argentina the the the invading force, the bad people. Yes, 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:00.520 and that's the thing like we all have to have 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:02.720 good guys and bad guys, and there you know, both 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:07.080 sides did good and bad things during this conflict. They 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:10.560 were bad people on both sides. But you can you can, 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:15.160 oh man, you can make man chuck. You can make 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.280 the case that, yes, if you have to identify an 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.960 aggressor in this situation, it was Argentina who who did it, 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:25.399 because again the Spanish settled it before the British, but 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:28.720 then the Spanish left and the Argentineans overthrew the Spanish. 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:32.240 There were no indigenous people that lived on these islands 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:36.159 that were connected to Argentina. Argentina in any way. There's 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:40.880 really no legal or moral claim that Argentina had aside 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:43.600 from proximity, and that just doesn't really hold up when 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:47.040 it comes to teri territorial dispute. So yes, you can 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:50.480 really make the case that Argentina was the aggressor. And 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:54.720 it doesn't hurt that the proportion of Argentinean listeners to 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:58.919 stuff you should know, pales in comparison to the British proportion. 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:03.439 So leading up to the war, this is sort of 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:07.440 the scene. You've got the people living on the Falkland Islands, 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:11.399 um the economy wasn't great. It's never been booming. Like 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:16.120 we said, it's a very small seaside hamlet of farmers. Uh. 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:19.679 They were depending on the British government subsidies to to 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:22.560 even get by. And this is you know, back in 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:26.920 the late seventies, early eighties. Uh. Brittain says, you know what, 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:30.359 we would like to start trading with Argentina. We would 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:33.240 like to help these islanders out. Maybe let them move 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:37.159 some wool, maybe make it easier to get fuel and supplies. 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:40.440 And Margaret Thatcher comes into power and says, maybe it 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:44.520 might also be nice to sell them weapons in Argentina. Yeah, 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:47.200 they need missiles and we've got them. Yeah. She opened 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:48.600 her trench coach. She's like, what do you need? What 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:50.280 do you need? I got it? I got it. Never 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:54.760 one went whoa lady. I'm not saying she was new 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:59.400 to okay, just that she had missiles in her trench. Gotcha. 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.760 So there was one other thing. It wasn't just that 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.960 the British were being patrimonious and really wanted to help 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:09.159 the Falklanders out by opening up trade between them and 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:15.600 the Argentinians. They also wanted to potentially offload responsibility for 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:21.240 the Falklands to Argentina, kind of like how you would 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:25.000 consider selling a car that you knew maybe had fifty 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:28.720 miles left in it, but you could sink some money 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:31.040 into repairing it to whatever, or you can sell it 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:35.880 to some schmo And Great Britain identified that this would 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:39.000 be a great bargaining chip. The Argentinians really want this thing, 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:41.639 so maybe we can sell them this used car in 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:44.360 addition to selling them some missiles for a few billion pounds. 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:47.000 Argentina said, can I take it for a spin? And 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:50.040 Britain went, I can't find the keys right now, but 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:52.639 we go ahead and make the deal. I'll see if 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:56.080 I can find them. It runs great though, yeah exactly, 0:20:56.520 --> 0:21:00.800 so just trust me. But but imagine you just said 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:03.600 in a British accent, Yeah, I thought about doing it, 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:07.159 but so. Um. The thing is is this didn't go 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:10.720 over very well with Great Britain. Um. They were like, well, well, whoa, 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:14.280 you can't just these are British subjects in some form 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:16.760 or another. You can't just abandon them to the Argentinas. 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:19.359 You can't sell them out. And the people on the 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:22.640 island of the Falklands were not very happy with this either. Um, 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:27.480 supposedly they used to call themselves kelpers, and I think 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:29.240 I get the impression that's one of those things that 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:31.560 they can still call themselves kelpers. But if you're from 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:35.280 Argentina and you call them kelpers, then that's that's fighting words. 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:39.560 But um, they did not, uh, they did not like 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:42.520 the idea of being sold off to the Argentinians in 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:46.720 a as a pawn in a larger trade negotiation to 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:50.560 sell missiles. That that just didn't sit well with them. 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:54.159 And you get why. I totally get why. And the 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:56.280 other problem is is this is this is just so 0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:59.760 neo lib too. The Thatchery administration went in, it was like, 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:01.720 this is really what we want to do is sell missiles, 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:03.480 but we're not going to give one way or another. 0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:06.200 There's no compromise on the Falklands. He's either all or nothing. 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:10.760 And um, they they, I guess, wanted to open trade 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:15.120 to Argentinians, but didn't want to give them to the Argentinians, 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:18.480 but Argentinians wanted them. And rather than find a compromise, 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:20.800 like I said, it was just all or nothing and 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:25.080 they just left it as this. They basically scared the 0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:27.919 pants off of the Falkland Islanders, saying we're willing to 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:32.120 basically leave you guys hanging um. But at the same 0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:34.560 time they weren't willing to to pull the trigger and 0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:37.600 go all the way and and let Argentina have the 0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:41.320 Falklands and maybe administer them correctly who knows. So instead 0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:45.160 the Falkland Islands were left in this weird geopolitical limbo 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:50.280 in starting about nineteen seventy nine, I believe, um to 0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:54.280 where no one quite knew exactly how interested Great Britain 0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:57.840 was in holding these islands. Our Argentina was very interested 0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:00.280 in getting these islands, and the Falkland island As were 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:02.320 caught in the middle of this. Yeah. And on the 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:05.720 Argentinian side, they were sort of in the midst of 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:10.800 a right wing military dictatorship that after a seventy six 0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:15.359 coup um. They were not nice people. They terrorized people, 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:18.760 they murdered their opponents, they imprisoned people. It was called 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:22.000 the Dirty War um. Within that or a few years 0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:25.000 after that n one there was in an internal coup 0:23:25.680 --> 0:23:33.200 within that same party where a General Leopoldo Galtieri m good, sure, 0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:36.600 all right, um, he went into power. But still that 0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:40.879 same right wing faction and they wanted not only the Falklands. 0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:43.560 They wanted the South. Uh, they wanted South Georgia Island 0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:48.880 and South Sandwich Islands and basically wanted that whole sort 0:23:48.880 --> 0:23:54.040 of South Atlantic area because of Antarctica. Yeah yeah, so 0:23:54.119 --> 0:23:56.760 they um. The other thing is and a lot of 0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:58.800 people point to this. Did you mention the name of 0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:03.680