1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Do Do Do? Or wait, what's the opposite? How about 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: do do Do? Do? Sad Trombone Vancouver and Portland, Oregon. Uh, 3 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: we can't come see right now. We're sorry to say. 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: It's not us. It's the coronavirus told us not to come. 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: That's right. Uh. Local authorities are shutting down shows of 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: the size. We are not able to come. We are postponing. 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: We will have more information coming as far as rescheduling. UM. 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: I believe how it works is your tickets are good 9 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: if you want to come to that other show, but 10 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: we don't know all the details yet. To just bear 11 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: with us while we try and figure this out. Right, 12 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: and in the meantime, you can get in touch with 13 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: the Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall and the Chance Center Box 14 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: offices to figure out what's what. Yeah, they'll probably have 15 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: good at phone. But we really apologize for any inconvenience, 16 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: and we will eventually see you, guys, we promise. In 17 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: the meantime, stay well, wash those hands and don't panic 18 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: well them to stuff you should know. A production of 19 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to 20 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, 21 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: here's Jerry over there and that friends makes this stuff. 22 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: You should know. The final studio recording. That's pretty good, Chuck. 23 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: Maybe not final. That sounded a little final, The temporarily 24 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 1: for now final studio recording, the indefinitely suspended recordings in 25 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: the studio. Yeah, starting after obviously everyone knows what's going 26 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: on in this world, say this country, uh coy, but uh, 27 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: we are getting set up in our homes. Yeah. I 28 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: set up a system yesterday that I just didn't quite 29 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: trust for today's. Yeah, it was a little little premature 30 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: to test the day after, I think so, but um 31 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: I posted a picture of it on the movie Crush 32 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: page and I was pretty excited. I was like, guys, 33 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: after twelve years, I'm finally a dude recording a podcast 34 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: in this basement. Right. You went full circle backwards, full circle. 35 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: That's nice. It was funny. People were saying stuff like 36 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: just make sure your mom keeps it down upstairs and 37 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Yeah, I saw that picture. I 38 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: love the quilt tablecloth. It's really homespun. It's beautiful. Yeah, 39 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: that's my daughter's quilt. I had a gank that, but 40 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: it's not okay. It all sounds pretty I mean, she's 41 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: not cold at night. We have other blankets. Um, it 42 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: sounds pretty good, though. You know, the band room already 43 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: had sound baffling, so I just sort of moved some 44 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: I moved my bass player out of the way and uh, 45 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: because this is kind of over in his corner, and 46 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: just kind of positioned it where I'm speaking into this 47 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 1: sort of dense corner, and I did a sound check 48 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: and it sounds pretty good. That's great, man, So look 49 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: for that coming soon every one. Hopefully you want no difference. Yeah, yeah, well, 50 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,119 Speaker 1: I mean like we should we should just not even 51 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: mention it and see if anybody notices. Well, our aim 52 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: is to keep bringing everyone shows every week, and uh 53 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: to not because you know, podcasts are going to be 54 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:18,399 Speaker 1: a pretty big deal moving forward for people, you know, Yeah, 55 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: I guess. So, I mean, like if we can record 56 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: remotely and still release on time, like that'll hopefully be 57 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: a source of comfort for people who are just sitting 58 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: at home board that's getting a little stir crazy. So yeah, 59 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: that's the aim. So our two aims are to not 60 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: come down with coronavirus ourselves and also yeah, and then 61 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: also keep releasing on time and on schedule. That's number two, 62 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: all right, so let's do it. Yeah, let's do it, Chuck. Um, 63 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: So we're talking the Falklands War and you requested this one, right, 64 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: so this is this is your idea? Yeah, you know why. 65 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: It was one of those things that happens to us 66 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: every now and then where we think of something that 67 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: we remember but you know nothing about. Like I remember this. 68 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: I was eleven years old, but I'm like, what was 69 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: that all about? Where are the Falkland Islands even right? 70 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: What's going on? Now? I know all about it, yes, 71 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: but I was wondering if you were, um, if you 72 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: requested it because of the fact that it's starting to 73 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: heat up again geo politically down there. No, I had 74 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: nothing to do with it, Okay, because it is. It 75 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: turns out it is. We'll talk about it at the 76 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: end there. But but I was like, wow, that's that's 77 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: very prescient. Chuck's got his finger on the pulse of 78 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: like some real arcane geopolitics right now. No, this was 79 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: this was all just sort of h yearbook memories, right 80 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: the Falkland Islands said stay cool this summer, see you 81 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: next fall. So I was the first one to write 82 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: on your crack. Um, did people do that to you? Oh? Yeah, 83 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: that's timeless man. So what we're talking about, though, is 84 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: the Falkland Islands War in nine two. Great Britain went 85 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: to war with Argentina over a little tiny group Well 86 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: they're not so tiny. We'll get into that. But um, 87 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: as far as livable thrivable areas, these little rocky islands 88 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: out in the middle of nowhere in the Atlantic Ocean, 89 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: and and not to say that they're useless, they're definitely 90 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: not useless. There are people who live there and have 91 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: lived there for hundreds of years now, um, but there's 92 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: no there's been archaeological studies of the area and they're 93 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: they've turned up zero evidence of prehistoric people living there. 94 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: So it's not a highly valuable area. But it is 95 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: a place that some people call home. And we're in 96 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: no position to poo poo anywhere somebody calls home. It's 97 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: just again geo politically speaking, it's really bizarre that that 98 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: Great Britain went to war with Argentina over this particular 99 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: set of islands. Yeah, and we'll get into the the 100 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: ins and outs of that, but in general, it's fair 101 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: to say that um old time. Colonialism had a part 102 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: in it, but it was also the fact that it's 103 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: the fog Land Islands are not super far and if 104 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: you're talking about the size of the world from Antarctica, 105 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: and you know, anytime there's there's a there are different 106 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: countries that want to be set up near other places 107 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: seemingly unpopular land but can become popular. It is. Yeah, 108 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: every country wants to stake some sort of outpost near 109 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: the ancient sleeping ones, the eldritch gods that are asleep 110 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: beneath Antarctica right now, to worship them, you know, when 111 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: they wake up. But uh that that can lead to 112 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: disputes among nations, and in particular Argentina is like, hey man, 113 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: these are like four miles off of our coast. Surely 114 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: they belong to us. They're about a thousand miles above Antarctica, 115 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: the northernmost outpost of Antarctica. But the British say, no, no, no, 116 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: these are this is a British territory, even though it 117 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: is nowhere near Great Britain in any sense that ever 118 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: something before it really hasn't, but and it does. It 119 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: has to do with colonialism in the British Empire. But 120 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: they they have said, no, we've been here for a while. 121 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: This is our place. Yeah. And the Grabster put this 122 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: together very detailed, Yes, account, Um, but we're gonna talk 123 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: a little bit about the the origin of these islands 124 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: and why different countries thought that they were theirs. Yes, 125 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: starting in about I think, um, well they think possibly Magellan, 126 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: maybe Americo Vespucci. I love that guy's name. They may 127 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: have seen the Falklands. Um. But the first the first 128 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: British person to have landed on the Falklands was named 129 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: John Strong, and he showed up in six And the 130 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: Falkland Islands look kind of if you squint and use 131 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: you know, eighty percent of your imagination, look a bit 132 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: like a butterfly. And the body of the butterfly is 133 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,119 Speaker 1: a channel that runs between the two main islands, East 134 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: and West Falklands. And so he named that channel the 135 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: the Falkland Sound after the guy who was running the 136 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: show for them, the Admiralty the Navy, I guess of 137 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: Great Britain at the time. Um, And he got his 138 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: title from Scotland. So it actually is kind of appropriate 139 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: that you would name this area after someplace in Scotland, 140 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: because it is kind of Scottish climate wise, apparently it's 141 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: a little soggy, it's kind of cold, um, and you 142 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: kind of have to like that kind of weather to 143 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: to survive there and not go crazy. Yeah, and some there. 144 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: He wasn't the first person. Other people had discovered it before. 145 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: People came afterward, and it's sort of so removed that 146 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: people showed up afterward. Uh in seventeen and won the 147 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: French uh seventeen sixty four more French, and they both said, well, 148 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: nothing's going on here. This is ours, and they named 149 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: them French names. Yeah. The the the guy who really 150 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: made a the first real attempt at settling the place, 151 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: Antoine Louis de Bougaonville. He set up a colony and um, 152 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: the Spanish showed up and they said, hey, you know 153 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: how we basically owned South America. We owned this too. 154 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: It's only four dred miles east of us, so so 155 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: get out of here. And Bougunville said, um, okay, but 156 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: I set up this legit colony and I want some 157 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: money for it. So they gave him what would amount 158 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: today to about one point one million dollars for it. 159 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: Not bad at all. So the French said, okay, Spanish, 160 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: this is yours. We recognize that. Well. At about the 161 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: same time, some English settlers showed up and they said, 162 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: we're going to settle this place. Had no idea that 163 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: the French were even there, had even less of an 164 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: idea that the French had just sold their claim to 165 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,079 Speaker 1: it to Spain. And the British kind of made their 166 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: home there, uh for about a year before they noticed 167 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: a French settlement there and went over and said, hey, 168 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: this is our place. You need to get out. Yeah. 169 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: It's funny too, because Ed made a very ed joke. 170 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: Uh he said que yeah, and he said x because 171 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: that's kind of what it sounded like at first, like 172 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 1: Britain settled it. They didn't even notice that there was 173 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: a French settlement there until yeah, until a year later. Uh. 174 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: And then this weird exchange starting in nineteen I'm sorry, 175 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: seventeen sixty nine started going back and forth where yeah, 176 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 1: you can say that every time we went in the 177 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: year from now, I almost let it slip by, and 178 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: I was like, last possible second, I'm I'm going for it. 179 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: That's pretty good. So this starting in seventeen sixty nine 180 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: is weird exchange started where British ships and Spanish ships 181 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 1: would go back and forth trading letters that got a 182 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: little more heated, saying no, you leave, no, you leave 183 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: you And then eventually Spain said, oh, you know what, 184 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: We're going to send all of our ships and Britain said, fine, 185 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: it's yours and in a certain way, yeah, in a 186 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: certain way. And this is really kind of critical because 187 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: I guess the the Spanish forced the British out, but 188 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if there was any kind of treaty 189 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: signed or any kind of like. Okay, so so this 190 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: the Spanish um, the Spanish forced the British out, and 191 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: basically I guess took at least possession of the islands. Um. 192 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 1: But this is a big deal. This was um. The 193 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: Falklands have been a site of international wars for years now, 194 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: and the first one was called the Falkland Islands Crisis 195 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: of seventeen seventy, where the French were down there, the 196 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: English were down there, the Spanish were down there, and 197 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: all of them wanted this island, mainly because the English 198 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: and the French didn't want the Spanish to control the 199 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: entire southwestern hemisphere of the world, which they basically did 200 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: by controlling South America for the most part. And Uh, conversely, 201 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: the Spanish were like, I don't want the French and 202 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: the English to have even just a little bit of 203 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 1: a toe hold here, so they need to get out. 204 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: But it was a big deal. It was. It was 205 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: literally called the Falkland Islands Crisis of seventeen seventy and 206 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: America was like, oh, can we please be a country 207 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: quickly so we can get down there too. All right, 208 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: We'll just hang in the background and manipulate everything, all right. 209 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: So after that crisis point, England and Spain both had 210 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: settlements down there for quite a few years, and they 211 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 1: were just sort of both down there. It was kind 212 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 1: of odd if you look historically, that's usually not how 213 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: things go. Yeah, apparently the crisis never came to a 214 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: full head and actually just went to a breaking point. 215 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: It just continued to simmer. I guess with everybody hanging 216 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: out on the island. I bet there were some good 217 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: times too, though maybe so. Uh. In the eighteen hundreds, Uh, 218 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: they both left and then that kind of it was 219 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: like a reboot almost for the Falklands. No one really 220 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: had a claim. Uh, it fell into I mean, it 221 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: sounds scary on one hand, but it also sounds like 222 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: a wild party because pirates and whalers basically uh ed 223 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: described it as had their way with the island for 224 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: two decades, so I guess they had sex with the island. 225 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: They literally humped the island. That's what it was like 226 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: down there. But it was it fell into uh lawlessness 227 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 1: and uh piracy, like we said, um. And then the 228 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: Argentinian Revolution came around. Spain lost all the claim, but 229 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: Argentina it was so rough. Argentina tried to say, hey, 230 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: this is ours and put governors on the island, but 231 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: they got rebuffed by the party scene. Yeah, the party 232 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: people said get out of here, and they actually did 233 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: they this. The the Argentinians failed to install any kind 234 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: of government on the island, and so in eighteen thirty 235 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: four the British showed up with the governor and they said, 236 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: we're installing some law around here. And either they were 237 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: more apt to kill people to get their way, or 238 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: the people down there already were more down with the 239 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: British than the Argentinians. I'm not sure, but either way, 240 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: the British were successful at installing a government there starting 241 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: in eighteen thirty four, so here's the thing, um, from 242 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: that moment on, the British had a government set up 243 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: and connected to the Government of Great Britain from that 244 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: moment on, and that is basically the basis of the 245 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: claim that they make that they say, we have been 246 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: living on these islands and one one way or another 247 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: continuously since eighteen four. Of course this is our territory. Yeah, 248 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: I mean they built a town Stanley, which is as 249 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: far as I know, still the sort of biggest thing 250 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: going there. Oh, by far. They were farmers, are farmers, sheep, cattle, pigs. Uh, 251 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: they would do a little fishing. It was a place 252 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: where um boats could stop off and get fixed or 253 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: fueled up or something or resupplied. Yeah. They make a 254 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: little money on the side from tourists who come to 255 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: see people humping islands. But we're talking less than five 256 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: thousand people and they are all basically Scottish and Welsh 257 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: descendants of those settlers. So if you were to go 258 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: down to the Falkland Islands in the early nineteen eighties 259 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: and even now, you would think this is a British outpost. Yeah, dude. 260 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: As recently as two thousand thirteen, Great Britain held a 261 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: referendum for you know, um self determination among the Falklanders, 262 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: and all but four four residents, not four percent, four 263 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: residents voted to stay a British territory. What do you 264 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: the four Rossberer they all they want to do is 265 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: hump the island. They don't want to be bothered to 266 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: think about politics at all, which they call the rossbero Rossberger. 267 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: You get it? Get it? Oh boy, maybe we should 268 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: take a break, take a little cool shower, and uh, 269 00:15:49,400 --> 00:16:15,359 Speaker 1: we'll come back with more falkland Mania right after this. Okay. 270 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: So the British are saying, hey, not only have we 271 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: had a claim on this since at least eighteen thirty four, 272 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: the people who lived there consider themselves British, it's ours. 273 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: But the Argentinians said, no, you know what, the Spanish 274 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: held this place before the British, and we inherited any 275 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: any title to it from the Spanish after the revolution. Um, 276 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: there's a there's a it's closer to us. What else 277 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: do you want? What do you want to hear? And 278 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: the Argentinians claim on the Falklands is actually fairly tenuous. Um, 279 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: but that has not stopped them from from kind of 280 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: coveting these islands and making attempts to go after them 281 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: over the years. Yeah. I mean, you know, Argentina will say, 282 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: you guys left in seventeen seventy four, Uh, so you 283 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: abandon it. Britain would say, well, you never established any 284 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: kind of serenity there. Uh, there were no indigenous people. 285 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: It's not like we came down here and kicked all 286 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: your people out of here and displaced them. Um. So 287 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: there's really no big moral claims either. And I don't 288 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: know if I know enough about it even after all 289 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 1: this to to really say without making some people mad, 290 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: But it seems like it was Britain's Yeah right, I'm yeah, No, 291 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: it's it's still like a point of national soreness in Argentina, 292 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: and I think there's a little bit of national pride 293 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: in in the UK of it. But yes, the fact 294 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: that the people who lived there and have are descended 295 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: some people who have lived there since eighteen thirty four 296 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: considered themselves British, that's I agree with you. That to 297 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: me says it's it's a British territory, which ostensibly would 298 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: make Argentina the the the invading force, the bad people. Yes, 299 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: and that's the thing like we all have to have 300 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: good guys and bad guys, and there you know, both 301 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: sides did good and bad things during this conflict. They 302 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: were bad people on both sides. But you can you can, 303 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: oh man, you can make man chuck. You can make 304 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: the case that, yes, if you have to identify an 305 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: aggressor in this situation, it was Argentina who who did it, 306 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: because again the Spanish settled it before the British, but 307 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: then the Spanish left and the Argentineans overthrew the Spanish. 308 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: There were no indigenous people that lived on these islands 309 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: that were connected to Argentina. Argentina in any way. There's 310 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 1: really no legal or moral claim that Argentina had aside 311 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: from proximity, and that just doesn't really hold up when 312 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: it comes to teri territorial dispute. So yes, you can 313 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: really make the case that Argentina was the aggressor. And 314 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: it doesn't hurt that the proportion of Argentinean listeners to 315 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 1: stuff you should know, pales in comparison to the British proportion. 316 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 1: So leading up to the war, this is sort of 317 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: the scene. You've got the people living on the Falkland Islands, 318 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: um the economy wasn't great. It's never been booming. Like 319 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 1: we said, it's a very small seaside hamlet of farmers. Uh. 320 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: They were depending on the British government subsidies to to 321 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: even get by. And this is you know, back in 322 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: the late seventies, early eighties. Uh. Brittain says, you know what, 323 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: we would like to start trading with Argentina. We would 324 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: like to help these islanders out. Maybe let them move 325 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: some wool, maybe make it easier to get fuel and supplies. 326 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: And Margaret Thatcher comes into power and says, maybe it 327 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: might also be nice to sell them weapons in Argentina. Yeah, 328 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: they need missiles and we've got them. Yeah. She opened 329 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: her trench coach. She's like, what do you need? What 330 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: do you need? I got it? I got it. Never 331 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: one went whoa lady. I'm not saying she was new 332 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: to okay, just that she had missiles in her trench. Gotcha. 333 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: So there was one other thing. It wasn't just that 334 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: the British were being patrimonious and really wanted to help 335 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: the Falklanders out by opening up trade between them and 336 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: the Argentinians. They also wanted to potentially offload responsibility for 337 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: the Falklands to Argentina, kind of like how you would 338 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: consider selling a car that you knew maybe had fifty 339 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: miles left in it, but you could sink some money 340 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: into repairing it to whatever, or you can sell it 341 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 1: to some schmo And Great Britain identified that this would 342 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: be a great bargaining chip. The Argentinians really want this thing, 343 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: so maybe we can sell them this used car in 344 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 1: addition to selling them some missiles for a few billion pounds. 345 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: Argentina said, can I take it for a spin? And 346 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: Britain went, I can't find the keys right now, but 347 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: we go ahead and make the deal. I'll see if 348 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: I can find them. It runs great though, yeah exactly, 349 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: so just trust me. But but imagine you just said 350 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: in a British accent, Yeah, I thought about doing it, 351 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 1: but so. Um. The thing is is this didn't go 352 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: over very well with Great Britain. Um. They were like, well, well, whoa, 353 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: you can't just these are British subjects in some form 354 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: or another. You can't just abandon them to the Argentinas. 355 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: You can't sell them out. And the people on the 356 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 1: island of the Falklands were not very happy with this either. Um, 357 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: supposedly they used to call themselves kelpers, and I think 358 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: I get the impression that's one of those things that 359 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: they can still call themselves kelpers. But if you're from 360 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: Argentina and you call them kelpers, then that's that's fighting words. 361 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: But um, they did not, uh, they did not like 362 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: the idea of being sold off to the Argentinians in 363 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: a as a pawn in a larger trade negotiation to 364 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: sell missiles. That that just didn't sit well with them. 365 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: And you get why. I totally get why. And the 366 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: other problem is is this is this is just so 367 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: neo lib too. The Thatchery administration went in, it was like, 368 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: this is really what we want to do is sell missiles, 369 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: but we're not going to give one way or another. 370 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: There's no compromise on the Falklands. He's either all or nothing. 371 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: And um, they they, I guess, wanted to open trade 372 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: to Argentinians, but didn't want to give them to the Argentinians, 373 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: but Argentinians wanted them. And rather than find a compromise, 374 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: like I said, it was just all or nothing and 375 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: they just left it as this. They basically scared the 376 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 1: pants off of the Falkland Islanders, saying we're willing to 377 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: basically leave you guys hanging um. But at the same 378 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: time they weren't willing to to pull the trigger and 379 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: go all the way and and let Argentina have the 380 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: Falklands and maybe administer them correctly who knows. So instead 381 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: the Falkland Islands were left in this weird geopolitical limbo 382 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: in starting about nineteen seventy nine, I believe, um to 383 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: where no one quite knew exactly how interested Great Britain 384 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: was in holding these islands. Our Argentina was very interested 385 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: in getting these islands, and the Falkland island As were 386 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: caught in the middle of this. Yeah. And on the 387 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: Argentinian side, they were sort of in the midst of 388 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: a right wing military dictatorship that after a seventy six 389 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: coup um. They were not nice people. They terrorized people, 390 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: they murdered their opponents, they imprisoned people. It was called 391 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: the Dirty War um. Within that or a few years 392 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: after that n one there was in an internal coup 393 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: within that same party where a General Leopoldo Galtieri m good, sure, 394 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: all right, um, he went into power. But still that 395 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: same right wing faction and they wanted not only the Falklands. 396 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: They wanted the South. Uh, they wanted South Georgia Island 397 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: and South Sandwich Islands and basically wanted that whole sort 398 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: of South Atlantic area because of Antarctica. Yeah yeah, so 399 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: they um. The other thing is and a lot of 400 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: people point to this. Did you mention the name of 401 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: that the tatorship? Oh the uh the NPR. Now it's 402 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: the opposite of the NPR. It's yeah, it's not the 403 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: opposite National reorganization process. Oh it is. I guess, I guess, 404 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: although they're both into re education for sure. So um, 405 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 1: Argentina basically was saying like, okay, we're a military junta. 406 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: We don't know what to do with the economy. We're 407 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: super oppressive, especially against our opposition, will like make you 408 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: disappear and murder your family and all this stuff. This 409 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: is a bad jam at home. We need something to 410 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 1: make everybody feel good about being Argentinean again. Maybe maybe 411 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 1: if we go get these Falkland islands, this little adventurism 412 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: that we go on will restore patriotism in Argentina and 413 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: will make everybody look the other way on this what's 414 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: called the dirty war that we've been fighting for the 415 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: last few years since we've come to power, and that 416 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: was kind of like the big impetus toward Argentina. They 417 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: had like these military aspirations because it was after all, 418 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: the merit military coup that took over as a military dictatorship. 419 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: To what else are they gonna do? Military stuff? But 420 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: at the same time, Britain was widely viewed around the 421 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: world is not really caring much about what happened to 422 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 1: the Falklands, And I think that they gave Argentina an 423 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: overblown sense of how easy it would be to just 424 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: go ahead and take these islands once and for all 425 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: is their own. Yeah, they needed this for nationalism. They 426 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: couldn't count on Diego Maradonna to come in and save 427 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: the day for another four or five years. You have 428 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: no idea what I'm talking about. He was a a 429 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 1: soccer player, Yeah, he must have been a contemporary place. 430 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: Then the Hand of God, that was very famous soccer 431 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: goal that he scored. I think in the hand of 432 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: you can't use your hands in soccer exactly, huh, look 433 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: it up. So I think that's kind of sets the 434 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: table for what's what's about to happen here. Um, It's 435 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: not like England or I'm sorry, che's always do that. 436 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: Let's just say Britain to be safe, that's what I've 437 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 1: been doing. Britain wasn't really planning for this UM. Even 438 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: though there had been a lot of back and forth 439 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: about the Falklands. I don't think they expected uh, ultimately 440 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: a surprise attack. They weren't really prepared UM. Like you mentioned, 441 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: the Argentines thought it would kind of go pretty easily 442 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: because they didn't seem like they cared about it. The Britain, 443 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: the Brits, and they're like, we're gonna go get all 444 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: these islands. But then this weird sort of start to 445 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: the war, to the start of a very weird war happened, 446 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: which is it was an incident at South Georgia Island 447 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: with a with a scrap metal dealer of all things. 448 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so I mean at this at that time, 449 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: remember the Argentinian dictatorship was like just looking for any 450 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: opportunity to take these islands. And that scrap metal dealer 451 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: got a UM contract to dismantle the whaling station in 452 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: South Georgia Island, and so we chartered a an Argentinian 453 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: naval navy vessel to carry him and his salvage crew 454 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: over there, and Argentina actually thought this would be a 455 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: good opportunity for us to secretly invade South Georgia Island 456 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: of just sort of parking their car there and saying, hey, 457 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: this is exactly exactly And they didn't. Even as they 458 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: were backing in, somebody else was coming in front ways Seinfeld, Yes, 459 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: and they just had to stand there and argue for 460 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: a while. But finally the Argentinians won. And when they 461 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: got this is the weird thing. When they got to 462 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: South Georgia Island, the first thing they did the salvage 463 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: crew was raised the Argentinian flag. They replaced the Union 464 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: jack with the Argentinian flag. As dude, you could be 465 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: a second grade cub scout and recognize that you are 466 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 1: not supposed to do something like that, not even as 467 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: a joke, which is what Argentina ultimately claimed that was 468 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: just getting around, just joking, was their international diplomatic response. Yeah, 469 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: and Britain does not take kindly to that, no, because 470 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: they knew that Argentina wanted these islands. But here's the 471 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 1: thing that it was a really stupid thing to do, 472 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: because right when British diplomats pointed out that they had 473 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: done this and demanded that it be removed in the 474 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: Union Jack be put up. The Argentina's were like, just kidding, 475 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 1: just kidding, and put the flag back up. But it 476 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 1: immediately put the British on high alert. Like the diplomatic 477 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: tensions were raised. Um, it was it was a dumb 478 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: thing to do and if they were planning on really 479 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: um tactically invading and holding the Falklands, because it got 480 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: the British, the British the British's attention. Yeah, it didn't 481 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: seem like any of this is very well thought out. Um, 482 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: they work closer, so like they both start sending ships. Um, 483 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: Argentina is going to get there quicker. Obviously. Um, they 484 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: sent clear indication that they were gonna invade the Falklands. Uh. 485 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: The Endurance was a British ship, and Captain Barker of 486 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: the Endurance brought this news to London. There were only 487 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: sixty eight marines on the islands. Royal marines, British marines 488 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: didn't have great weapons were really under they were under weapons, 489 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: under artillery, under staff. They they were just it was 490 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: sort of those deals where they're like, what are we 491 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: doing down here? Guys for a long time, I think 492 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: until this happened. UM. So I mean imagine being that 493 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: there was like sixty eight of them, I guess, just 494 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: hanging out like sixty knowing that the Argentineans were coming 495 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: right or thinking that they probably were. They knew it 496 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: was on the way. Well, here's the thing. So back 497 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: in London, UM, Margaret Thatcher and her Tory government were 498 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: um not convinced like they she said later on UM, 499 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: I think she her diaries got published about this or whatever. 500 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: But in the days leading up to it, she was 501 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,239 Speaker 1: like she could not believe that Argentina would actually go 502 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: through with an invasion because it was such a stupid 503 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: thing to do that she just couldn't believe it. UM. 504 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: And so that was combined with um eventually with some 505 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: of her um like military advisers saying, if they take 506 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: these islands, there's no guarantee we're going to get them back. 507 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: And she realized that if she lost the Falkland Islands 508 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: to Argentina, that was it. She was never going to 509 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: be re elected and her government would basically just limp 510 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: along until the next election. It would be a really 511 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: bad look for her. UM. So she had to win 512 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: these back. But at the same time, she couldn't just 513 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,719 Speaker 1: send the Royal Navy down there for nothing. So she 514 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: had to make this decision about what to do, whether 515 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: to be proactive or reactive, and she ultimately waited and 516 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: was reactive, and by the time she reacted, she was 517 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: she was kind of um. She was working with the 518 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: knowledge that it wasn't guaranteed that that now that they 519 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: have invaded, that Great Britain would be able to take 520 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: it back. That's right, And you say take it back, 521 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: we haven't even mentioned the fact that Argentina took it 522 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: to begin with. Yeah, I think that was implied. April two, 523 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: about three o'clock in the morning, their tactical dive team 524 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: came aboard the island. They approached the capitol. They under 525 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: cover of darkness fired on the barracks, which they because 526 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: the Royal Marines knew this was coming, so they had 527 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: abandoned the barracks and we're sort of falling back, essentially 528 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: toward the Government House, which is where they were going 529 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: to hold up on their final stand. Argentineans had a 530 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: lot more people, they had amphibious assault vehicles, and eventually 531 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: the Brits retired to the Government House and said we 532 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: give up, We surrender uh ten a m. The Union 533 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: jack was replaced by the Argentinean flag and Argentina broke 534 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: their arms, patting themselves on the back. They lost five people, 535 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: they killed one I'm sorry, zero British soldiers and we're like, 536 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: all right, we did it. That was super easy, just 537 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: like we thought. And so the Argentineans were thinking, well, 538 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: you know, that was very easy. The British are clearly 539 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: disinterested in the Falklands. They're probably just gonna say, well, 540 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: you guys captured at fair and Square, we'll get our 541 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: people out of there. There your islands now. But this 542 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: is not at all what happened. In fact um, the 543 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: British did not take very kindly to this, and I 544 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: propose we'd take a break and talk about the actual 545 00:32:39,360 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: Falkland War after this. Let's do it, okay. So where 546 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: we left off was Argentina had taken the Falklands with 547 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: very little effort, and then Margaret Thatcher realized what was 548 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: going on in a big way and she went not old, 549 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: my watch, that was dead on. So once Britain said, 550 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: you know what, we're gonna fight back here and we're 551 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: gonna take these islands back. It became the real deal thing. Uh, 552 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: and we'll talk about in the end there. You know, 553 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: casualties numbered at about a thousand on both sides, so 554 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: it still wasn't the biggest conflict, but it was a 555 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: real conflict. No, it really was. And Britain was in 556 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: this weird position. Argentina was in a weird position, and 557 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: that they were fighting a pretty substantial military but Britain 558 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: was in a weird position, and that they knew that 559 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: if they overshowed force, if they just pounded the Argentineans 560 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: into dust, other countries might actually enter the war on 561 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: the on the side of Argentina. So they had to 562 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:08,399 Speaker 1: get these islands back with with without just using all 563 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,240 Speaker 1: of their might against Argentina. Yeah, and with also saying 564 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: we're not going to come after you Argentina. In Argentina 565 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: supposedly they explicitly said that, huh, yeah, I mean, it's 566 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: such a weird war in a weird time. It really was. 567 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: It was a weird war. But yeah, a lot of 568 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 1: people just kind of joke like, oh, you know, the 569 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: British invaded the Falklands, what a what a over overblown move. 570 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: But at the same time it was like you know 571 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 1: Thatcher's Prime ministry was on the line. And also, um, 572 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: the the idea that these were British subjects who were 573 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: being occupied. Like like, make no mistake about it, if 574 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: you were if you were living on the Falklands and 575 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 1: you left your house, you were living under Argentinian occupation. 576 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 1: They changed what side of the roads you're supposed to 577 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: drive on, which is crazy a little bit you had 578 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 1: to um, oh, either way, one of these days we're 579 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: gonna have to do with short stuff on dogg and h. 580 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: It was in either Sweden or I think Sweden. It 581 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: was the day that they changed from one side of 582 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: the road to the other for driving around the country. Yes, 583 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 1: it was just a big mess, so we'll talk about 584 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: this sometimes. But um you also had to carry like 585 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: a white flag around with you to basically let them 586 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,359 Speaker 1: know you were noncombatant. And even still even under those conditions, um, 587 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: I think at least three Falkland Islanders were killed during 588 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 1: this war. So like this was you know, it was 589 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 1: it was a big deal and there was there were 590 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: reasons for the British to invade. Um. And again you 591 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: can really make the case of the Argentineans where the 592 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: aggressors in this situation. Yeah, So April six, the Great 593 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 1: Britain finally um puts together a war cabinet. They name 594 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: their operation Operation Corporate, and they send down a couple 595 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: of aircraft carriers, about a hundred and twenty seven ships. 596 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: They send down fighter jets. There's helicopters um while they're 597 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: doing this, because like you mentioned it, it takes a 598 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: long time to get down there on an aircraft carrier. 599 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,240 Speaker 1: They were still hoping to work this out. Like France 600 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: got involved and they said, you know what, we're not 601 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: gonna sell arms to Argentina anymore. Uh, they're flying our 602 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: fighter jets, by the way, So here's some help in 603 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 1: defeating them. If you want a little inside scoop, there's 604 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: a little button on the back as long as you 605 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: push it, and they won't be able to drop bombings 606 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: will fold in. Reagan got involved. He called up Galtieri specifically, 607 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: said let's try and work it out peacefully. I'm gonna 608 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: send al Haig down there, and they said, nope, we 609 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 1: don't want your help, Reagan. So British Britain said, oh, 610 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: you don't want Ronald Reagan's help, then screw you, it's on. Yeah, 611 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 1: and so it was on. From that point on. The 612 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: British were like, all right, well then it's just war 613 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: is what we're going to do. So there UM two 614 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 1: aircraft carriers showed up and since they only had two, 615 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: had a limited number of UM jets. But it turns 616 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: out that their jets were mostly useful in keeping the 617 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: Argentinean fighter jets away from bombing and missile attacks on 618 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 1: the ships, but weren't successful in every case. Like as 619 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: funny as it seems, you know, like the British were 620 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: fighting the Argentineans are did the Argentina had some some 621 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: successes definitely in this war too. It wasn't just totally lopsided. Yeah, 622 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 1: I mean Britain. Uh. It all really really started on 623 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: April and kind of one of the first things that 624 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: Britain did was go after one of their submarines, the 625 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: Santa Fe. Damaged that one pretty heavily. That that submarine 626 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 1: made it to the South Georgia Island, but the crew 627 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 1: jumped off and basically retired that submarine on the spot. 628 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,359 Speaker 1: UM Royal Marines were getting reinforced the whole time, and 629 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: this was really what made the biggest difference is Britain 630 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: had complete control of the the naval side of things, right, yeah, 631 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: just immediately the Argentinians figured out like, oh, we're we 632 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 1: we aren't going to be able to do much with 633 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,879 Speaker 1: our navy. But again, we've got some fighter jets and 634 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 1: you know, their French, and they worked pretty good as 635 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: long as you don't press that one button. Um. And 636 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: they used them to good effect in that they would 637 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,839 Speaker 1: fly decoy flights to get the British jets to come 638 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,319 Speaker 1: chase them, and then the real um attack jets would 639 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: come in and actually attack like a ship or maybe 640 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: the mainland or something like that. Yeah, that worked. They 641 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 1: also had some They also had surface to air missiles 642 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,919 Speaker 1: that they used fairly well, although they apparently accidentally shot 643 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 1: down one of their planes at least once. Um. The 644 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,839 Speaker 1: point of all this, the upshot, is that despite you know, 645 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: the British superiority and just about every single way um, 646 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 1: Argentina did did have some success and they managed to 647 00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:00,280 Speaker 1: stave off the British retaking the Falklands, which spoiler alert, 648 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: the British retook the Falklands. Um. For you know, this 649 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,839 Speaker 1: whole conflict lasted seventy four days. Yeah, they sunk a destroyer. 650 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: I think they sunk some other ships. The big one 651 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 1: of the big turning points was when on May two, 652 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: uh the General Bell Grano, which was an Argentinian cruiser, 653 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 1: was destroyed by the HMS Conqueror. And that was like 654 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 1: three and twenty three men were killed basically in that attack. 655 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: And that was you know, not half but the losses 656 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 1: of the whole war, right, and most of most of 657 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: Argentina's losses came from the sinking of that one ship. 658 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,359 Speaker 1: And that was viewed as fairly grotesque by a lot 659 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,720 Speaker 1: of people, by the international community really because remember England 660 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,800 Speaker 1: needed to sorry, Great Britain needed to um to basically 661 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: show themselves as showing restraint. This was not necessarily a 662 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 1: show of restraint. The UM the Argentinians said that this 663 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,399 Speaker 1: was not inside of the no go zone where their 664 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: their ship wasn't supposed to be um, that it had 665 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 1: been tracked down by the British and sunk. That they 666 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: could have just disabled it, but they purposefully sunk it. 667 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: And that you know, it killed three d and twenty 668 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 1: three Argentineans in one shot, which is just bad press 669 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: for anybody. It makes England look like an over overblown bully. Um. 670 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,360 Speaker 1: And you know, they died in pretty terrible ways, like 671 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,359 Speaker 1: a lot of them drowned, but a lot of them 672 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,880 Speaker 1: frozen lifeboats because again we're not that far away from Antarctica, 673 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: and it took twenty four hours I think for them 674 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 1: to be rescued, So a lot of people froze to 675 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 1: death in lifeboats waiting to be rescued because they were 676 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 1: sunk by this British ship rather than just having their 677 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: ship disabled. Yeah. Ed made a nice little Jaws reference 678 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,319 Speaker 1: in this, Dude, did you catch that? I didn't? Uh 679 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 1: made a second thousand nine five men went into the 680 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: water seven seventy two come out the sea took the rest. 681 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: I got it now. Uh? Then the other big yeah yeah, um, 682 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 1: the other big turning point came. Of course, you know 683 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 1: this is all like sinking of ships and naval battles. Uh. 684 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 1: What they needed to do was take the main town 685 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: and on MA one. The British gained a very good 686 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: foothold when they made a landing on East Falkland and 687 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 1: started advancing towards Stanley, which was not Stanley the guy 688 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 1: that was just they're cleaning up. But Stanley, the town Stanley, 689 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: the measuring tape, that's right. Uh. And they basically, you know, 690 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 1: Argentinea would would fight untill they ran out of AMMO, 691 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 1: then they would get captured and the Brits would just 692 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:43,319 Speaker 1: move slowly, I think from one to June eleven. They 693 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: finally assaulted Stanley and on June fourteen, Port Stay on 694 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 1: June fourteenth, so just three days after they finally got 695 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: to Stanley they surrendered. Argentina did yeah, but but no 696 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: here that It was May twenty one that the British 697 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:03,719 Speaker 1: finally landed on East Falkland and June thirteen that they 698 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 1: managed to take control of um Stanley weeks. It was 699 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: three weeks and the Argentinians managed to um hold them 700 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 1: off for that long. But this is almost like you know, 701 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,360 Speaker 1: um those movies, like the huge, sweeping epic comedies like 702 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,279 Speaker 1: It's a Mad, Mad Mad Mad World, where there's like 703 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,280 Speaker 1: ten different things going on at once in the scene 704 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,800 Speaker 1: just kind of visits, you know, each person. In one scene, 705 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 1: there was a Brigadier general named Tony Wilson who was 706 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,959 Speaker 1: I guess on hiatus from running factory records at the time. 707 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 1: He was trying to get to fitz Roy, which was 708 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 1: a smaller town, not as big as Stanley, but it 709 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,720 Speaker 1: was a town, and he decided to get some intel 710 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 1: where the Argentinians would He just he just looked up 711 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,080 Speaker 1: the number from one of the fitz Roy residents, put 712 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,399 Speaker 1: went to a phone booth and called and said, Hey, 713 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 1: are the Argentinians around today? And residents said, no, they're not. 714 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,759 Speaker 1: Maybe today would be a good day for you guys 715 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 1: to come. And that's how they overtook fitz Roy, and 716 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,240 Speaker 1: so little by little they started taking like the East Falklands, 717 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 1: until like you said, they finally took Stanley. And one 718 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,879 Speaker 1: other thing. One of the over overlooked, unsung groups of 719 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,279 Speaker 1: soldiers who helped really retake Stanley are um the Gurkhas. 720 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,439 Speaker 1: Have you heard about them? Holy cow, dude, there's They're 721 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,840 Speaker 1: widely considered to be the toughest um soldiers in the world. 722 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,760 Speaker 1: Mother is on the plan exactly. Um. They are from Nepal. 723 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: They're the Nepalese like basically Nepalese special forces and they're 724 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,719 Speaker 1: known for carrying these uh cou cree knives k u 725 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,719 Speaker 1: k r I knives. I'm sure I said that incorrectly. 726 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,680 Speaker 1: And by the way, apparently everyone else in the world 727 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,840 Speaker 1: except for you and I knows how to pronounce the 728 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,279 Speaker 1: national language of the Philippines correctly. Yeah, we did a 729 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,960 Speaker 1: listener mail about that, but they're just still pouring in. Yeah. 730 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,719 Speaker 1: So the these knives are just really fierce looking and 731 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 1: they're like, these guys are basically just going from like 732 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,920 Speaker 1: outlooks or observation stationed observation station, I guess, just taking 733 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,160 Speaker 1: out Argentinean guys with their knives and and helping re 734 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:18,359 Speaker 1: established this British foothold on the East Falklands. Check them 735 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 1: out the because you're you'll you'll like him, I think, 736 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 1: like the sou In the end, they like we said, 737 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 1: they surrendered on June four. Um, we should point out 738 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,280 Speaker 1: that there was a neutral c zone that had hospital 739 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,399 Speaker 1: ships on both sides and throughout this whole thing, which 740 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 1: got really acrimonious. You know, it sounds silly to say 741 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,759 Speaker 1: about a war, but it was one of the more 742 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,839 Speaker 1: acrimonious wars because it was it was small, and they 743 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: were really mad at each other, you know, but these 744 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:55,480 Speaker 1: hospital ships helped each other out. They cooperated, they transferred patients, um, 745 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,359 Speaker 1: which says a lot about how things were you know, yeah, 746 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 1: it was still civil even though acrimonious. Right, that's right. 747 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 1: Argentina in the end suffered sixty nine deaths, which was, 748 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,000 Speaker 1: like we said, about half of those actually almost exactly 749 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 1: half came from that ship sinking. Yeah, Britain lost to 750 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: fifty five and those three three poor kelpers. And I'm 751 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 1: sorry if that's offensive, I think I think, yeah, I don't. 752 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,399 Speaker 1: I don't know if it is. Let's just call them 753 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 1: Falkland civilians. They were killed Stanley, It's yes, Stanley and 754 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,320 Speaker 1: the Antonians. So it did not work out well for Argentina. 755 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,840 Speaker 1: It really backfired. That was pretty humiliating defeat. Uh, the 756 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,399 Speaker 1: n RP was defeated in nineteen eighty three and free 757 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,840 Speaker 1: election started, So that's a good thing. Yeah, that is 758 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,360 Speaker 1: that was this was actually huge impetus for them. Losing 759 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,840 Speaker 1: control of power was the you know, the Argentina was 760 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,080 Speaker 1: was defeated and kind of humiliated. Actually, um and this 761 00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,800 Speaker 1: military government since this was like ed put it like 762 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,600 Speaker 1: Hail Mary, elastic effort to kind of retain power. They 763 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,239 Speaker 1: lost the Falklands, so they lost their power in Argentina. 764 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,319 Speaker 1: It's always good anytime a military dictatorship loses control of 765 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:16,279 Speaker 1: a nation. Yeah. So Um. One of the things Chuck 766 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,720 Speaker 1: is still to this day, the Falklands are in dispute 767 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:23,359 Speaker 1: by Argentina. And I was asking you if if you, um, 768 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,560 Speaker 1: you came up with this idea because the stuff that's 769 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,239 Speaker 1: been going on lately, but ever since I think two 770 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,160 Speaker 1: thousand nine, Argentina made a claim at the u N 771 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,680 Speaker 1: to extend its territorial waters from two hundred nautical miles 772 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:41,080 Speaker 1: off shore to three fifty well three nautical miles off of. 773 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:45,880 Speaker 1: Argentina completely envelops the Falkland Islands, the South Georgia Island, 774 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,880 Speaker 1: and the Sandwich Islands. Okay, this is not something that 775 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,839 Speaker 1: the British are okay with um, so much so that 776 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,439 Speaker 1: that one of the revelations from the Snowden Um whistleblower 777 00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 1: files was that the British had engaged in disinformation campaigns 778 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,480 Speaker 1: and propaganda campaign secret ones to change public opinion and 779 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:10,080 Speaker 1: Argentina about the Falklands sovereignty and them being part of 780 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,759 Speaker 1: a British you know, them being just thoroughly British and 781 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,919 Speaker 1: Argentina has no claim on it. And the reason why, 782 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,120 Speaker 1: and I was looking into this, I'm like, is another 783 00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,759 Speaker 1: war there possible. Who knows. The reason why is because 784 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,880 Speaker 1: in two thousand ten they found a massive oil deposit 785 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,359 Speaker 1: that is in the territorial waters of the Falklands. So 786 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:35,279 Speaker 1: if Argentina's waters extend to envelope the Falklands, that's their 787 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,279 Speaker 1: oil deposit. In the UK said, no, now, that's our 788 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,880 Speaker 1: oil deposit because that's in the Falkland waters. And I 789 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,000 Speaker 1: think in two thousands sixteen the u N Commission ruled 790 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,160 Speaker 1: in favor of Argentina um even though they said, well, 791 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,280 Speaker 1: we don't really have any teeth, it's just our opinion 792 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,000 Speaker 1: that Argentina has a legitimate claim on us, and the 793 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:58,319 Speaker 1: UK said, we're not going to be paying attention to that. Yeah, 794 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,480 Speaker 1: So it's still continuing today and even more than just 795 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,600 Speaker 1: being like a source of national pride, now it's a 796 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 1: source of national oil. So who knows what will happen 797 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:11,440 Speaker 1: in the coming years over that. Jeez. Plus, when the 798 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:16,080 Speaker 1: eldritch gods wake up, you know, yeah, well then we're 799 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,239 Speaker 1: all doomed. So you got anything else about the Falklands, 800 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,960 Speaker 1: got nothing else? And now I now I get it. Yep, 801 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,759 Speaker 1: me to chuck me too. So thanks for that. If 802 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,680 Speaker 1: you want to know more about the Falklands. Well, you 803 00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,920 Speaker 1: can start reading up on it. There's plenty of stuff 804 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,960 Speaker 1: to be read. And since I said that, it's time 805 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:36,560 Speaker 1: for listener mail, I'm gonna call this from a teacher 806 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:42,200 Speaker 1: who was grounded right now because of the coronavirus and 807 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,120 Speaker 1: wants a little help from us. Hey guys, my name 808 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,520 Speaker 1: is Marissa Stratton. I'm a sixth grade teacher from Springfield, Illinois. 809 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:50,960 Speaker 1: Like most of the country, our school is currently shut down. 810 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,280 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you could help me with a suggestion 811 00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,160 Speaker 1: for my students. I'm fairly new to the podcast world. 812 00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,839 Speaker 1: I listened to and love your podcast. I would love 813 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 1: to recommend it to my students, but I know some 814 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,000 Speaker 1: topics would be inappropriate for eleven year olds. You got 815 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,959 Speaker 1: that right, It's like pumping the island. I was about 816 00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,719 Speaker 1: to say any of our history shows. Uh. Here's where 817 00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,920 Speaker 1: your help would be greatly appreciated. You have any specific 818 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,120 Speaker 1: episodes in mine it would be great for eleven and 819 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:16,920 Speaker 1: twelve year old er. Do you have suggestions of other 820 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:21,160 Speaker 1: podcasts that middle schoolers might enjoy. Read a lot of articles, 821 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,640 Speaker 1: but I'm just overwhelmed. Being out of the classroom is 822 00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,200 Speaker 1: very stressful and I want to make sure I'm recommending 823 00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:31,200 Speaker 1: popularity and quality to my students, not just popularity. That 824 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:36,160 Speaker 1: is from Marissa Stratton. So I thought about this. I 825 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,960 Speaker 1: didn't make a specific list, but um, I was just 826 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,239 Speaker 1: about to say, most of our history shows are pretty 827 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,680 Speaker 1: pretty appropriate, wouldn't you agree? Yeah, I would like to 828 00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,840 Speaker 1: think that all of our stuff is in the wheelhouse 829 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,480 Speaker 1: of eleven and twelve year olds, at least at the 830 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,279 Speaker 1: same level of humor I think. So, I mean, it's 831 00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,320 Speaker 1: pretty easy when you look through the twelve hundred plus episodes. 832 00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,080 Speaker 1: There's a lot of science in his tree and uh 833 00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,839 Speaker 1: stuff like that. Like it's I think it's pretty clear 834 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,839 Speaker 1: the ones to avoid. Like if you see things on 835 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:12,120 Speaker 1: like magic mushrooms or marijuana grow farms, uh, murder stories 836 00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,919 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, you may want to avoid. But 837 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,080 Speaker 1: you know, aside from that, it's pretty self explanatory. A 838 00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,920 Speaker 1: few dumb blue jokes aside from us, they're pretty pretty 839 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,080 Speaker 1: clean for sure, and a lot of them probably fly 840 00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,239 Speaker 1: over in eleven year old's head. Yeah, but you know 841 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,560 Speaker 1: that's that's for her to decide. They may want to 842 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,960 Speaker 1: learn about the Mendel brought set. So so no, no, no, 843 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,080 Speaker 1: I mean our jokes are jokes, might play over the 844 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:41,279 Speaker 1: even year old thing. Gotcha, it's true. So yeah, I 845 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,160 Speaker 1: guess I would recommend maybe listening to them once before 846 00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,200 Speaker 1: sharing them. But yeah, like we pride ourselves and being 847 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:52,480 Speaker 1: a pretty family family agreed. Okay, that was Mrs Stratton correct. Well, 848 00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,560 Speaker 1: thanks a lot of Ms Stratton and hello to your 849 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,640 Speaker 1: class who are being taught virtually I'm guessing right now 850 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,120 Speaker 1: we're the teachers now, yeah, exactly. Just leave it to us, 851 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,840 Speaker 1: America and world. We got this. If you want to 852 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,360 Speaker 1: get in touch with us, like Mrs Stratton did, please 853 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,799 Speaker 1: feel free to. 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