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Speaker 1: SOCCREP dot com on Time on Target in Scotto here

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Speaker 1: with Jack Murphy. H. Bryant was on last episode. UM

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Speaker 1: of that day. Yeah, that's a weird one. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: but it it really appears that way to me. Well,

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Speaker 1: and we're sitting there watching this thing on this little

427
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,199
Speaker 1: like TV screen and uh, it's an anime about this

428
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 1: girl who has this big demon tattoo on her back

429
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,360
Speaker 1: and uh, she goes walking around and it's like one

430
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,640
Speaker 1: of these things where like she's always getting in these

431
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 1: precarious situations where like she goes into the park and

432
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 1: gets like surrounded by like five or six thugs and

433
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's pretty clear they're gonna like rob her

434
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: and rape her and like all kinds of horrible stuff

435
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,959
Speaker 1: is gonna happen. But every time she gets into one

436
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: of these situations, the demon tattoo on her back comes alive,

437
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: comes off her back, turns into this huge demon and

438
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 1: starts as raping all the dudes that we're going to

439
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: attack her, and it's like you know that Dragon ball

440
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 1: Z style animation. And me and my squad are watching

441
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: this like holy fuck, look, holy shit, and uh, as

442
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 1: we're watching this like what like thinking like what in

443
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 1: the world are we watching? Suddenly the door flies open

444
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 1: klunk and like hits against the back of the door

445
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 1: and they're standing and see a silhouette in the doorway

446
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: at night is my platoon sergeant Jared van Alice And

447
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: me and my squad leader just look at each other

448
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 1: and start laughing, and uh, Van Alice walks around to

449
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: see what we're watching on the TVs, like what the

450
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: hell are you two watching? And he watches it for

451
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 1: like thirty seconds and it's like, what the fund is

452
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: wrong with you two? And how do you explain that away? Yeah, yeah,

453
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 1: it's exactly We both knew we'd been h oh, you

454
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: should edit that name out. Uh, me and me and

455
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 1: my squad leader, we uh, we both just turned to

456
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: each other. We knew we'd be caught red handed watching

457
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 1: this bizarro Japanese animation. It's just like, oh my gosh.

458
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: But that's one of those things I have like a

459
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 1: notes written down in a notepad, like, ah, should I

460
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: put this story in the book or not right now? No,

461
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 1: it's not. Um, there are some other stories. There are

462
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: definitely some other funny stories in there. UM about like

463
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: you know, rating the chow hall and having huge plastic

464
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: bags full of red bulls we took out of the freezer. Um,

465
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: all kinds of goofy stuff that happened, just funny stuff. Um.

466
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: But no, the the anime story is not in there.

467
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 1: Don't know if that might not be like to kosher

468
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: in this day and age, you know. But then again,

469
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of other stuff in there that's not

470
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 1: exactly politically correct. I mean I write about like terrorists

471
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: we killed and how I was like laughing about it,

472
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,959
Speaker 1: and there's like flies crawling across their eyeball. And at

473
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: the end of the day, the audience for these books

474
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: does not They don't read memoirs of special ops guys

475
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: for a PC book. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean I

476
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: didn't write it. Certainly it's not PC. I didn't write

477
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: it to be PC, but also like palatable not even

478
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 1: then it's like just to thinking about, Okay, how important

479
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: is this story about the anime DVDs. I personally think

480
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 1: it's it's funny. It's a memory of mine and I

481
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: look back on it and I laugh. But does the

482
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 1: audience does the reader really give a ship? Are they

483
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: going to think it's as funny as I do? Is

484
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: it gonna be worth you know, read writing and them

485
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: reading in a book? Um? But yeah, there's other stuff

486
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 1: in there. I mean that, I think the depictions of

487
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 1: war are pretty dark and frank you know, well Murphy's Law,

488
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: pick it up, excited to see it out there, And

489
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: and pre orders matter, so the publisher really does like

490
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: when they see a lot of pre orders you guys. Yeah,

491
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: if you guys jump in there and give it a

492
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: pre order, I really appreciate that. And um, you know,

493
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: like I said, we're still editing the book. I'm gonna

494
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: try to make this thing is good as it can

495
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: possibly be. And um, I hope people you know, really

496
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: enjoyed reading it. Good ship? All right? Well, with that,

497
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: back on the show, George hand And part of the

498
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: reason that I feel we're having George back on is

499
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: after having your teammate Pat McNamara on the show, and

500
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: it just kind of sparked the idea. I think for

501
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: Jack and I have like we've never gotten a chance

502
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,719
Speaker 1: to hear all these awesome stories from George's perspective. Whenever

503
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: you're on, we talk about what you're up to now

504
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: with human trafficking. So I just think it would be

505
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: worth it to get into a full episode on like

506
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: the origin of George hand and and you know, being

507
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: a part of of Delta Force. That's that's fine, It's

508
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 1: it's actually starting to put me to sleep already. I'll

509
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: do my bed. I think, you know, you salted with

510
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: Pat mcnumary. It's probably gonna be interesting either way you

511
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: look at it. Pat was awesome. So I guess the

512
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: natural way to start this interview, I would think would

513
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: just be your background growing up and and being a

514
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: part of Delta Force. And if I'm correct here, you

515
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: you made the decision to join the army, right this

516
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: was this was a few years after there was a Yeah, George,

517
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 1: he started off in first group too, so we kind

518
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: of like, we have to back up, let's go before

519
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: we get there. Yeah, let's go from growing up all

520
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: the way up to that. I think would be cool. Right, Yeah,

521
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: if you're willing, George, Uh sure, Well, I mean, you know,

522
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: just with respect to the army part. Um, I I

523
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: wrote in a story recently, Um, I've got a few

524
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: backed up in the queue, but I think I think

525
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: the when has already come out. But I've made mention

526
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: of the fact that I can remember as far back

527
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: as five years old wanting to be in the Army.

528
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: You know, like that's that's what I wanted to do.

529
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: You know, I gotta do that, I gotta do that thing.

530
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: And um, you know, I mean the depth of my

531
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: knowledge of the Army was basically just you know, a

532
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: guy wearing a uniform holding a rifle, and that was

533
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: the extent of it. You know. I had no idea

534
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: about the rest of it, about the you know crap

535
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: that goes along with it and boredom. But I knew

536
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to do that, and uh, all the way

537
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: up to by the time I was like about nineteen

538
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: years old or so, Um, you know, I was I

539
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: was talking about going into the Air Force because my

540
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: dad was a career Air Force guy. Um, but I

541
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: was trying to make it sound a little bit more

542
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: palatable to my to my folks, and to myself, you know,

543
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: it's it's like, well, I don't want to be a grunt.

544
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: Actually do want to be a grunt. I want to

545
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: be an infantry soldier at are a rifle and dig

546
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: a foxhole as eating the chow hall and all that

547
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: that stuff. But it just didn't seem like ambitious enough

548
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: to tell people about. So but when the Air Force would,

549
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: when it came right down to it was like, yeah,

550
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: I went to the recruiter's office and sat out with him,

551
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: and he started throwing out all the things that I

552
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: was qualified to do. And I picked a combat engineer

553
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: like Buck Clay. I mean, I got's a twelve broo

554
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: combat engineer. I said, yeah, I want to do this

555
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: combat engineer thing because it's got combat in the front

556
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: and then it's got engineers, so there's actually a skill

557
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: set involved there, um, you know, and my parents would

558
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: probably like that better. And the guy looked at me

559
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: and said, well, you know, we don't have any thing

560
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: open for combat engineers right now. We're just all full,

561
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: you know, yank, yank, right Jack and he goes, But

562
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: we were wide open for the infantry. So I, you know,

563
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: I'm an idiot at this time, I'm like, really, no kid,

564
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: no combat engineers, but infantry is open. Well ship, I

565
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: guess I'll take that. And so they signed me up

566
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: another one. Yeah, I got another one man. They could

567
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: fill the infantry all day guys like me. But I was,

568
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: you know, like, yes, yes, you know, little did I

569
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: know so? But that's that's how it went down. And

570
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: um and I was only in for two years. I

571
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: took the shortest amount of time possible in case. I

572
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: just absolutely hated it. Um and I really did. I

573
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: pretty much absolutely hated it just because of the culture

574
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: at the time. You know, it was like there was

575
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: nothing going on in the world. There was no wars,

576
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: the the the the infantry in particular was swelled with

577
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: guys that were forced in there through courts, the court system.

578
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: You know that that you I just would you know,

579
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: here's a guy, he did all this petty thievery or whatever, crimes, drugs,

580
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, misdemeanor stuff, not not like federal stuff,

581
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: you know, and they would give him the choice as like, son,

582
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: you can go and can go to jail, or you

583
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: can go in the army. And that's almost a coin

584
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: flip if you ask me. It's like they're kind of

585
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: the same, ain't they. But no, but but it was

586
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: filled with those guys and they didn't want to have

587
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: anything to do with, you know, being soldiers. It was

588
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: it was I'm not gonna I'm not gonna dwell on it,

589
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: but it it pretty much sucked. So and I started

590
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: looking at my my options for getting out or for

591
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: getting out of at least getting out of the infantry,

592
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: because it was that was the worst. It was just

593
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: the word well maybe MPs was worse than that. The

594
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: infantry was pretty bad. And and I said, well, I

595
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: came to learn that if I went to jump school,

596
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: all these things that I wanted to do, like rangers,

597
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: you know, which I couldn't even fathom rangers. I thought

598
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: that was just too difficult for me, you know. But

599
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: but green Berets. Uh, somehow I got myself wrapped around

600
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: that axle, thinking I could try that. But everything was

601
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: you know, uh, everything was pretty cluded to me because

602
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: of jump school because I have a clinical fear of heights,

603
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: you know. Um so that was out of the question.

604
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: But you know, after two years of being in that

605
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: that environment, um, I was ready to jump it out

606
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: a parachute man. I'm like, just I gotta get out

607
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: of here, you know. So I signed up and went

608
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: sucked up jump school and um you know, went to

609
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: I took twenty five guys because I was in the

610
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: four corporal at the time. I took twenty five guys

611
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: from jump school and we went by bus to Fort

612
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: Bragg to start s f QC. And there are the

613
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: Special Forces Qualification Course. And at the end of that

614
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: five six months that we were there, there was me

615
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: and there was one other guy private that was that

616
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: was left from that group. Everybody else had followed by

617
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: the wayside. In fact, one of the guys he he

618
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: quit on the bus ride to Fort Bragg, you know,

619
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: I we were. I was sitting in the back of

620
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: the bus. You know. It's I could keep an eye

621
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: on my men. And every one of them was wearing

622
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: was wearing a green beret without a flash on because

623
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: they because they could. And I was wearing a garrison cap.

624
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not gonna wear I'm not wearing that beret.

625
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: There's no way I'm gonna wear that beret without being qualified.

626
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: I sat in the back of the bus and we

627
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: stopped at it like a Denny's so the guys could

628
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: get lunch. And some dude comes walking back, says Corporal Hand,

629
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: I wish to terminate, And I said, could you wait

630
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: till we get to bragg At least I don't know

631
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: how to eat the paperwork from the bus. But yeah,

632
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: I had guys terminating just on the ride over there,

633
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: and and um, yeah, so just me and one of

634
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: the private made it and I went to Seventh Group

635
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: and then I hated that quite a bit, but it

636
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: was definitely a step way up from being in the infantry.

637
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: But but again, you know, it was like I was

638
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: in seventh Group and our area of operation was like

639
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: going to Korea several times a year and a little

640
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 1: bit of South America. Because this was when First Group

641
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: had been deactivated. Yeah, they were not even activated yet, right, Okay,

642
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: so Seventh Group had to cover down on Asia. Yeah,

643
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: so I was. And they did cover down on Asia.

644
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: I mean they were really they were only going to

645
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: full Eagle, And I know, I know Jack knows what

646
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: that exercise is. It's kind of a special operations uh

647
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: joint exercise in Korea once a year, like around November

648
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: time frame, and uh uh Seventh would do that. But

649
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: other than that, they were they were just busy in

650
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: themselves with South America, so you know, went to Panama

651
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: on some other spots there. But but the rumor was

652
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: that first group was opening up and that their areas

653
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 1: of operation, you know, Southeast Asia and so forth. And I,

654
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: you know, I came into the army already speaking uh Chinese.

655
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: I spoke Cantonese basically, not Mandarin at that point, not quite.

656
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: And you grew up speaking some French, too, didn't you. Yeah,

657
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: My yeah, when I was a kid. Um, basically my

658
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: grant from my grant, my mother's side, her parents are

659
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: I screwed that up. It's my dad's side his His

660
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: mother only spoke Cajun French for the for the entire

661
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: her entire life. So he spoke French until he was

662
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: five and started going to school. Then he had to

663
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: knock it off. And the same thing with me. It's

664
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: like when I went to school, you know, it's just

665
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: kind of slipped away. Um. But it was a little

666
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: bit more harsh environment when he went went to school.

667
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: It was like you would get punished, literally punished for

668
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: speaking French. And it wasn't I mean there there just

669
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: wasn't anybody else speaking French in school. Uh so, but

670
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: he tried to pick it back up as a as

671
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: a man. Like basically he was going to school when

672
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: he was in the Air Force, and he he took French.

673
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: He feared he could make a quick a and and

674
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: picked the language back up again. He ended up dropping

675
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: it completely. It was just too hard. I'm like, that's

676
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: that's bizarre. But and I was able to pick it

677
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: back up again, uh really easily, very easily in fact.

678
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: But you tell us then how you were in Chinese,

679
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: because I mean, you have in ear from languages. Hey, uh,

680
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: I suppose I do. I'm not. I'm not. I'm still

681
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 1: not convinced about that yet. But I got a job.

682
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: I just somehow got a gig from a from a

683
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: guy that was in high school with me, and I

684
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: was thirteen years older the time, and for somehow I

685
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: had gotten latched onto Chinese writing. You know, I was like,

686
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: that's fascinating, and that's unbelievable, you know, it's it's the

687
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: hardest thing in the world as far as I know,

688
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: to learn. So I'm gonna try to learn it. So

689
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: I would I do it for like a summer I

690
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: got a book from a library, and I was just

691
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: practicing every freaking day, and um, I got to where

692
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: I could write several hundreds, you know, characters, and that

693
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: was great. But this this guy was working at the

694
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: one and only Chinese restaurant in town. He was a

695
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: you know, washing dishes, and he was fixing to uh

696
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: he was fixing to drop school, to drop out and

697
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: go race off to California and do whatever. And um,

698
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: so he was gonna leave that job. And he him

699
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: and I had shop class together and he would see

700
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: the scribbling on this paper and he go, hey, what

701
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: the hell is that ship? And I'm like, it's nothing,

702
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: It's just just trying to sharpen my the lead of

703
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 1: my pencil, you know. And he but he saw that,

704
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: and um, he just he just put the two together

705
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: and goes, hey, I'm dropping out, man, I'm leaving, Like

706
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: next week. You want my job. I was like, job, Yeah,

707
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: I'll take a job. And he said it was at

708
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: the restaurant. I was like, holy crap. You know, I'm

709
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: like your chi you know, so I'm gonna So I

710
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: went and interviewed with the boss and she started working there,

711
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: and I, you know, I kept practicing at the restaurant,

712
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: and the boss and the cooks they would look at

713
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: me and they would just kind of roll their eyes

714
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: or or laugh whatever. But I just kept at it,

715
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: kept at it. And remember one day the back door

716
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: ran the butt that we had a buzzer back there,

717
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: and I, you know, the dishwasher answers the door. So

718
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: I ran back there and it was police. They were

719
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: there to uh interview some of us about breakings of

720
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: cars in our parking lot, you know. So I was like, oh, yeah,

721
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: let me just a second. I ran up to the boss,

722
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: the cook and I told him in Chinese, I said, hey,

723
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: there's the police are at the back door. And he

724
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: just looked at me, you know, he took a cigarette

725
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: of his mouth and looked at me for a second,

726
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: and then he walked to the back door, but he

727
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: was looking at me the whole time. He walked to

728
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: the back door, and that that was over, and he

729
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: came up to me again. He came up committee goes, hey, boy,

730
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: they called me boy. He said boy, what did you say?

731
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: I go, what do you mean? Because what did you

732
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: say when you came in from the back door? And

733
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: I said, well, I said, the police were here. He goes, no, no, no,

734
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: you said it in Chinese. Let me hear you say

735
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: it again. And I said, so I said it to him,

736
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 1: you know, and he goes and he corrected it. Right.

737
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: He goes, okay, listen here this word and he he

738
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: went word by word and he corrected me. And from

739
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: that point, basically he was they were taking me serious.

740
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: So instead of rolling their eyes, you know and whatever,

741
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: it's like that, every chance they got, you know, they

742
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: would hold ship up, you know and say it in

743
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: Chinese and I would repeat it, and uh, every night afterwards,

744
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: the boss would, you know, take the cash register and

745
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: he started, he started tallying up the receipts for the day,

746
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: watching TV, smoking cigarettes, and I would sit behind him

747
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: with my books and I would read out loud, and

748
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: you know, I would go on and on, and I

749
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: think he's he's this guy he listened to me. He's

750
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: doing math and he's watching TV and he's sucking on

751
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 1: a cigarette. But he would hold his hand up every

752
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: now and then stop and say repeat that, and so

753
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: I'd go back and repeat it, so that so he

754
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: actually was listening to me. And I did that for

755
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: we did that for like you know if I worked

756
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: there for five years basically, and when I got out

757
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: and went straight into the army, Um, I was you know,

758
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: I didn't know how well I could read, write, and speak.

759
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: But it kind of just something I kept secret because

760
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: nobody wanted to hear about it in the in the

761
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: in the infantry. You know, they didn't. I mean they

762
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: didn't want to hear about it. No one cared. But

763
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: when I got to group, it was a different story.

764
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: You know. I was like, hey, I I went and

765
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: took the d LPT for it and scored really high,

766
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: and I said, yeah, I want to you know, I

767
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: want to go to first group. And uh, because they

768
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: have they have Chinese speakers there. They need that language.

769
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: And that's what I ended up. That's how I got

770
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: to first group. You got to get away from Evan

771
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: group and because you know, they had an area of

772
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: responsibility that piqued my interest. Um, and I thought I

773
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 1: could do you know, all these great things by having

774
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: a Chinese already, you know, they didn't have to send

775
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: me a way to deal I for a year. Basically,

776
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: I guess that is what that is. Um. Yeah, But anyway,

777
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: so I was there with Chinese, never did anything with it,

778
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: because all we did was go to Korea. Basically, Yeah,

779
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: you had told me once about the rivalry. I guess

780
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: you could say, because there's one battalion in first group

781
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: that got to go to Thailand, and then there was

782
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: your battalion that got to go to Korea in Alaska.

783
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 1: So Jack, you have a good memory, man, That is

784
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: exactly right. I mean I was in the second battalion

785
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: and Pat McNamara was in third battalion. The good Deal

786
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: boys and Mac went to Thailand and Philippines. Uh, you know,

787
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: they got to go to all the good deal places,

788
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: and I and we were just going to Korea. That

789
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: was it in Alaska. And even we are live living

790
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: in Washington State, and I think Jack, you were second right.

791
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 1: I was in Washington State. I mean the ski areas

792
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: and the mountains and the snow are all year round. Uh,

793
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: not a very long drive, and so we ended up

794
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: getting sent, you know, just slightly north to mess around

795
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: in the snow and practice our skiing and that sort

796
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: of thing. But when me and Mac would you know,

797
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: uh catch each other coming and going, you know, we'd

798
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: get together and Mac would tell me stories about what

799
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: he did in Thailand and he throw some tie phrases

800
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: out at me and I'd beat jealous as hell, you know.

801
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: And it was great. But but we hardly saw each

802
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: other because just because of the op tempo and the

803
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: different areas. Um, yeah, me and Mac like I never

804
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: saw each other, not until we like years later, we

805
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: just you know, dumb look Me and Max showed up,

806
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: you know, in delta selection together. It was like, holy shit,

807
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: look at you, damn George? Were you Bill? Mac? He

808
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: looked great? You know. So we went through that together.

809
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: We made it. That was his second time, Yeah, the

810
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: second time. He like rolled an ankle really bad his

811
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: first time around, but he was right back in the

812
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: saddle as quick as he could and we got to um,

813
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: we got to go to selection together, and it was

814
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: really great. It was really really great having Mac don

815
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: see a familiar face. Yeah. See if we hung out

816
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: all the time, you know, all the all the freak

817
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 1: of time, went to went two meals every day, kept

818
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: each other really entertained and you know, basically caught up.

819
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: Uh and and we we both made it so uh

820
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 1: we ended up at what at going to back to Bragg.

821
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: But he lived in uh dang it. He lived out

822
00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: towards Sanford, you know, away from Fayetteville, way away from Fattville.

823
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: And me and my wife at the time, we're looking,

824
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, we're looking for a house and uh we

825
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: you know, we stopped at Max to visit him one

826
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: day and he's mentioned a house. You know, there's a

827
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: place for cell right up the road here. We've been

828
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: looked at it, and my missus fell in love with it.

829
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: It was like a cedar built out of cedar, you know,

830
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: and there was like nothing else would do. And I go, oh, sure,

831
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: you want to live like just right down the street

832
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: from somebody we know. She's like, that isn't you know,

833
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. I'm like, yeah, okay, I don't

834
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: know any better. I just didn't know any better. So

835
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: we ended up living like down the freaking street from

836
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,439
Speaker 1: Mac and uh and it was great, you know, ten

837
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: years it was fantastic because I mean, again, you know, Max,

838
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: he'sn't probably he'sn't. The unit would not put me in

839
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: Mac in the same squadron because there was three of

840
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: us that hung out in OTC a little bit too much,

841
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: I guess, and they told us about the you know,

842
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: you guys, they broke us up the end, it put

843
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: us one of us each in three different squad because

844
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: the army they get afraid that you're going to create

845
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: like your own little mafia inside the unit, don't they

846
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: They do, man, they really do. And they were calling

847
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: us like the three amigos, like they do the same.

848
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: They do the same with like platoon sergeants and range

849
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: of battalion, like make sure they're not in the same company,

850
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: just because they know each other too well. You know,

851
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: that's pretty you know, I never really molded over as

852
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: much as I could have, probably, but that is I

853
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: absolutely agree with that. Um It's like, yeah, when I

854
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: look back at like they had to break us up, man,

855
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: for Christ's sake, you know, I would have liked to

856
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: have been in a squadron with Mac, but it just

857
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: didn't work out that way. He mean, he's right across

858
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: the freaking hall, you know. But there there again, it's

859
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: different off tempos, you know, like we're on alert different

860
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: time than they are, so they're out traveling and we're

861
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: just hanging out at headquarters. But but it was not

862
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,959
Speaker 1: at all like it was back in in the first group.

863
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: It was like I could see the guy just about

864
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: every day, you know, and since we lived like right

865
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: down the street from each other, his wife at the

866
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: time was gone a lot. She was like almost never there.

867
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: So um, you know, I I gave Mac an open

868
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,479
Speaker 1: ended invitation. I said, hey, Mac, you know the deal

869
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: man dinners at seven at our place. You know, That's

870
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: just all I got to say. So he would he

871
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: would show up, you know now, and then he would

872
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: just you'd show up for dinner and and and it

873
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,439
Speaker 1: was great, you know, so like every every time we

874
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: did meet, we had something new to to talk about,

875
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: and that the guy's hobbies were insane, you know, the

876
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: look stuff like Mac, when the fund is that in

877
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 1: your backyard, he goes, well, you know, he's he's always

878
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 1: got something going on. Like he built a he built

879
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: an archery range in his backyard diagon from a one

880
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: diagonal corner to the other, because that gave him exactly

881
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: whatever he measured it out. He gave him like a

882
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: thirty three meter shot or something. That he had these

883
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: hay bill stacked up in that corner and he would

884
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: stand back in the opposing corner with a compound bow.

885
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: And right over the fence is the street, you know,

886
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: cars going back and forth and he's got this bow

887
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 1: bent back and he's like, let me zarrow flide over

888
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: his dog's heads and he's bloody. He's not missing, you know,

889
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: like you have your hobbies to Georgia, isn't. Aren't you

890
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: a big woodworker? Yeah, Jack, I am. I ordered some.

891
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: I've been building a wood shop here for about the

892
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: last four months, but putting it together, I mean I

893
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: lost it all when I in my divorce, I lost everything.

894
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: I started putting it back together. My daughter's really supported

895
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: me a lot on it, and I actually ordered my

896
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: first blot of hardwood, red oak hardwood. I've tried to

897
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: order it this week and it's coming out of Michigan

898
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: and the freight charges is going to be more than

899
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: the wood coffee. So I I said, I can't. I

900
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: can't stomach that. Man. I I do have children that

901
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm you know, supporting, so I can't. There's not I

902
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: can't do that. But I'm a woodworker. I had a

903
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: shop when I was in Delta. I would I would

904
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: was insane the way I worked in that shop. I

905
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: mean I would get up in the morning, you know,

906
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: put on my blue coveralls and I'd watched the clock

907
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: when the clock struck ten hundred hours, you know, to me,

908
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: that was that was the witching hour, Like that was

909
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: the time that it was okay to make noise in

910
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: my neighborhood, you know. And people couldn't call the police

911
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: on me because it was like six, like a quarter

912
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: after six, and I'm running a band saw. You know,

913
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: they couldn't do that. So hours, you know, the ship

914
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: was on. You know, I've got throw the lever boo,

915
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: fire up the machines. And I would stay out there,

916
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,439
Speaker 1: you know, just stay out there, and I would piss

917
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 1: in the bottle. I had a big old jow our

918
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: white mouth jar in the corner, and I would piss

919
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: in that because I didn't want to take the time

920
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: to go indoors and you know, dragon lunch of sawdust

921
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: in there, or take time to strip out of my coveralls.

922
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: So I would just pee in this bottle all freaking

923
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: day long. And uh my wife would she'd like crack

924
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: the door open to the garage and like shove a

925
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: plate out, you know, like in a prison or something

926
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: with bread on it. She wouldn't come out there, you know,

927
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: So you just slide it out there, and I would

928
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: see it like whoa, and I go over there and

929
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: I'd just stand there and and eat it, you know,

930
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: with my hands, and like I've had enough, man, I've

931
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: had enough, and just laid the plate back down. I'm

932
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: good to go. I can burn and others, you know, uh,

933
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: five point six hours you know on those carbs. And

934
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: I would have to like three pieces of furniture at

935
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: a time that I was building. And then I think

936
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: it was around at night, you know, I'd throw the

937
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: lever back down, you know, cut the power to the garage,

938
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, back out of the shop, do

939
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: it all again the next day. What were some of

940
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: your favorite things to build? I did? I did exclude, uh, exclusively,

941
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: cabinet grade hardwood furniture is what I did. And I

942
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: did only one piece that was outdoor. It was it

943
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: was a porch. Uh it was. It was a I

944
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: think it's called a glide bench. It's a glide It's

945
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: basically a bench, you said, in it and it sits

946
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: in a it sits in a ship. It's basically hanging

947
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: from four wood hangers. Sit in it. When you said it,

948
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: it's like it'll swing back and forth. And I built

949
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: that and I varnished the hell out of it, trying to,

950
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: you know, make it last as long as possible. It

951
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: lasted a few years, but um, you know, the elements

952
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: definitely got got hold of it finally and you know,

953
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: started stripping up pieces of the wood. But I continued that.

954
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: UM built a shop when I moved to Las Vegas

955
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: after I got out of the army, and I did

956
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: I did the same the same pace. Man. I was

957
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: just going at it, going at it, and we had

958
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: a swimming pool in the backyard. At the end of

959
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: the day, I would just walk to the backyard and

960
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: I would jump to the pool. You know, great photographers

961
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: well to the bottom and I do the twist, you know,

962
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: for like thirty seconds that I'd get out of the

963
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: pool and I was clean, you know, all the solidist

964
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: was gone, and I'd hang those coveralls, let them dry,

965
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 1: and I'd go in the house and they'd be over

966
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,919
Speaker 1: for the day. Then do it again the next day.

967
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: I would say, we're also a great photographer as well.

968
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: I know, that's another big hobby of yours. I appreciate

969
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: that compliment. Uh. I actually have come to uh to

970
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: be able to receive compliments from my photography. I just

971
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 1: finally decided like, you know, they're right, this is I'm

972
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: doing some Yeah, I go, yeah, this is the stuff

973
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: is good. I mean and I my dad was a

974
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: photographer and he would take me. He he actually he

975
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: got me a piece of crap camera and had, you know,

976
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: a film camera, and um, he told me a few

977
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 1: things like, you know, George, don't take pictures facing into

978
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 1: the sun, and just some basic stuff. And I shot

979
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: like a couple of rolls of black and white, no

980
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: big deal. And he developed his own film and his

981
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: in his shed. He took me in there and you know,

982
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 1: would stick me in the corner and say don't move,

983
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 1: don't touch anything, don't say anything. And I'm like, well,

984
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 1: it's really great to be here, you know, it's great

985
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: being I feel like I'm really participating. And and he

986
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: would develop his film and not say a word, and

987
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: I kind of can see what he was doing. He was, Yeah,

988
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: he's turning a machine on exposing this paper. Then he's

989
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: running it through these three different chemicals. And Jack, you

990
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: went to oh, and I did you not? No, No,

991
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: I didn't he didn't go o and I well they

992
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: when I went through I was like one of the

993
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: very last classes that ever went to that course and

994
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: we we actually had to do wet photography and it

995
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: was pretty pretty damn cool. So we passed the paper through,

996
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: you know, the developer, the stop bath in the fixer.

997
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: But he would do that and I would just sit there,

998
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: and of course he would add in his uh soft

999
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: red light on. And I remember sitting in the back

1000
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: one day, in my back or sitting in the corner there.

1001
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: The lights are off and he's developing some film and

1002
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: my back was itching, and I started rubbing up against

1003
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: the wall and there was something sticking out on the

1004
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: wall that was just perfect right at my back, and

1005
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this is great, and it was the

1006
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 1: light switch and I rubbed up on it. It turned

1007
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: the freaking light on, and he turned out looked at

1008
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: me like what in the fuck? You know, it was

1009
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 1: like the one thing you could have done to ruin everything,

1010
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: and you did it. So I was outside there for

1011
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 1: the rest of the day, you know, like kicking a

1012
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: can and hitting ship with a stick. So but um,

1013
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: when I didn't pick up photography again, it was because

1014
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: it was in Las Vegas. My family got me a

1015
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: camera for Christmas, and I was looked at it, and

1016
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, this is like way

1017
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: more camera than I would have ever considered buying for myself.

1018
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: You know, I said, I don't, this is too much

1019
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: for me. I I want to take it back. And

1020
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 1: so I was kind of struggling with taking it back,

1021
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 1: returning it, like how would that look to the family,

1022
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: and and so I ended up making the right choice,

1023
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: which was too, well, here it is, man, just make

1024
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: the best of it. So I just dug into it

1025
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 1: and started reading, uh, really started shooting a hell of

1026
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: a lot of pictures. My kids were in sports, so

1027
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: that was the ticket, was to go, you know, to

1028
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: the practices and the games and start shooting that. You know,

1029
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: I said, well that's that's a that's a subject. So

1030
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: I goes, I'll go shoot that at So I ended up,

1031
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: you know, doing a lot of shooting and uh, a

1032
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: lot of all the kids on the team. And I

1033
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: started pushing the photos on like a team Facebook page,

1034
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: and the parents were and the kids were going nuts.

1035
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,439
Speaker 1: The parents were going crazy like wow, and the kids

1036
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: were feeling like rock stars, you know, because you know,

1037
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: I make people look good. That's what I do. If

1038
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: you even if you don't look good, I'll make you

1039
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: look good in the photography. I'll get a good flattering shot,

1040
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: you know that. I'll take that and put it on

1041
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: my machine in the post shoot edit and do the

1042
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: other sevent you know in the on the editing computer

1043
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 1: and come up with some really some really great products.

1044
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 1: And you know, I pushed those out to the Facebook page.

1045
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 1: I made UH team posters. These things are like eight

1046
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 1: eight ft by four ft you know, a stull sheet,

1047
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: apply with its size, and I would do that for him, basically,

1048
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: have a photo shoot day, shoot all the kids, Um,

1049
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: it sounds funny. Then I'd go, you know for about

1050
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: a week and I would build this photo product, you know,

1051
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: put all the kids in one time in their best

1052
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: pose that I'd put a crazy background there and do

1053
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: whatever that. I would take that down, uh downtown to

1054
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 1: a photoshop and they would print it out on a

1055
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: big sheet of like vinyls is what it was. And

1056
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: they photo printed out on vinyl and they'd sink rivets

1057
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: in the corners and then the kids would take that

1058
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: banner to all their games and they would string it

1059
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: up on the backstop. People would just like crowd around

1060
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: it and pat you and patters and say seem to

1061
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: have like a similar philosophy and that you know, you

1062
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: just have to have all these different interests in life

1063
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: and and live to the fullest. I think, you know,

1064
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: with him with his bird watching and heavy metal and

1065
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: everything else, Season two art and all that good stuff. Yeah, George,

1066
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: I just want to get back into some of the

1067
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,959
Speaker 1: Army stuff because I know that people were going to

1068
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: hear more about this. You know, It's cool because I

1069
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: like hearing about that as well. Um, I'm wondering which

1070
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: deployment stands out for you the most, uh, from from

1071
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: which unit? Uh? Any of them? I think, uh, you know,

1072
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: I have I have to, I have to say it.

1073
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: With Somalia, man, that that was that that really that

1074
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: really does stand out. I mean everything else was. I

1075
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: mean every time I did something with Delta, it was

1076
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: it was like wow, you know, looking especially looking back

1077
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: at it, like holy crap. You know, like my my

1078
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: whole career, in the whole eight years in Group, I

1079
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: never touched anything like that. And this was just one

1080
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:54,959
Speaker 1: typical deployment with Delta. Um. But it's definitely Somalia and

1081
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: Colombia because I went I went to Columbia for I

1082
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: was there for nine months, you know, uh doing doing

1083
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: the counter we're hunting the cartels, what we're doing, the

1084
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: drug cartel, the incumbents at the time, the guys that

1085
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: took over power, that filled the power boid when Pablo

1086
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: Escobar got got taken out by by Colombian commandos with

1087
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: the assistance of Delta and their Tutledge. But when that

1088
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: when he got killed, you know, there was the power

1089
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: boid was there, and the Juela brothers filled that void

1090
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: and they took power, and they took it from the

1091
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: Median for Median and they established it in Santiago de Kali.

1092
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: Hold on just one second, because they're testing the fire

1093
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: alarm system in here. Yeah. I don't think it'll be

1094
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: that loud though, because from here in all right, I'm sorry,

1095
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: go ahead and go ahead, George. That's so. But that

1096
00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: was an impressive deployment. My Bosnia deployments I have another

1097
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: right about nine months total in three different iterations um

1098
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: of of of work in Bosnia. Two of them were

1099
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: where there were hunting the war crimes, war criminals, and

1100
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: one of the deployments was a personal security detail for

1101
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: the commanding general in country. Use. Those were those were great.

1102
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: I mean I left Bosnia, Um it was, and took

1103
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: a deal deal I exam like within the first week,

1104
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: I got back home permanently, and I was able to

1105
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: test out of a Serbo Croatian language, um, you know,

1106
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: at at a high enough level to receive pay. But

1107
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: but I didn't need I didn't need that because I

1108
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: was already getting the max amount for Cantonese, Chinese, you know. Um.

1109
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: But but Somalia was the was the ship because I mean,

1110
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: you know, it's just the way it went down, you know,

1111
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: I mean, our c squadron was over there. They were

1112
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: they were button heads with I d They were kicking

1113
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: a hass. Occasionally a dude would come back for some reason,

1114
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: like one of the guys his wife was was losing

1115
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: her mind, so he had to come back take care

1116
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: of that for a few days. Uh, and went back over.

1117
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: But while he was back, you know, we pulled him

1118
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: into our our crisis lounge, and he talked to us

1119
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: for about an hour, you know, about what they were doing,

1120
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: how they were doing it, this, that whatever. And then

1121
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: you know, then the black hawkings that had happened, and

1122
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: we we just you know, we got the full up

1123
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: alert on our pages. You know, crowded in the old man.

1124
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: He uh, he read off of this is kind of

1125
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 1: this is a little bit questionable. As he asked me,

1126
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: this guy had no I don't know his his skills,

1127
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: his social skills sometimes. But he basically had us in

1128
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 1: a room and showed us some film of Mike Durant

1129
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: right being interviewed. You know, his face is all beat

1130
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: up and he's bleeding, and he's uh saying some really

1131
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: canned statements that are pretty generic, you know. And then

1132
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: they're showing Bill Cleveland being drugged to the street by

1133
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: a bald these fuckers, um, and you know, just some

1134
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: some really ranked pass video. And so we're we're sitting

1135
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: there and taking that in like, oh, this is this

1136
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: is great, you know. And then then he reads off

1137
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: a list of all the dead guys. You know, he

1138
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: reads off the list of the guys that are dead

1139
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: like all our our our buds, um. And then he

1140
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 1: read off a list of the wounded guys, some of

1141
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: which were from my own OTC class. You know. So

1142
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: I'm already jones in a little bit not liking how

1143
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: he did this, um, and he basically goes, you know,

1144
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: that's it for right now, everybody report back, you know,

1145
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: as tonight. So we went about our day, um, and

1146
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: we knew we knew we were gonna have to shave

1147
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: our heads because we're going to go as as rangers.

1148
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: And I thought, yeah, that's you know, all this this

1149
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: cover and uh clandestine undercover training we get and they

1150
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna go as rangers. That's great, that's great. But

1151
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: some of the guys ran out and got haircuts. Um.

1152
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: We we showed up at twenty hours and pulled out clippers,

1153
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: and guys just shaved our heads right there in the

1154
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: in the lounge. Um. And I was still fairly new

1155
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: to the unit, and I did not even recognize some

1156
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: of the guys when they shaved their heads. You know,

1157
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: I was like, what squadron is he in? Oh, that's

1158
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 1: that's one of my snipers. Yeah. And Matt funny because

1159
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: Matt Ryerson, when he shaved his head, he looked exactly

1160
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: like you know, I've always remembered him. Matt died in Somalia,

1161
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: but he because when I knew him, it was in

1162
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: dive school and he was coming from Washington State, Sex

1163
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: and second seventy kids Rangers, So he I've always known him,

1164
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: having a high, tight haircut, and um, of course when

1165
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: he's in Delta he let his hair grow out and

1166
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: had huge mustand handlebar mustache. But when he shaved off

1167
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: for Somalia, I was like, oh, it's Matt Ryerson against

1168
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 1: look at that. Um. Yeah, so we you know it,

1169
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: and we we did that, shaved our heads, grabbed some chow,

1170
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: and took us C five basically from from Washington State

1171
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: to Egypt. And the Sea five landed in Egypt for

1172
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: several hours, too many hours actually, because guys were getting

1173
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 1: in fights, you know, because we were we were shoved

1174
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: in a packed terminal tent and we weren't we weren't

1175
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: isolated off like we should have been. So there were

1176
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: some Air Force people coming in there and there was

1177
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 1: like a there was like a snack line set up

1178
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: in there. And so we're standing in line and there's

1179
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: some Air Force guys standing in line with us, and

1180
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: one of them didn't have one of them was off

1181
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: duty and he had an ear ring. He was wearing

1182
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: an ear ring, and that set off. That set off

1183
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: one of the guys in my squadron, and you can't

1184
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: had to go up there, and next thing, you know, man,

1185
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: you know cables are turning over. It's like and the

1186
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: the old man couldn't believe it. It's like, oh my god.

1187
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: You know, it's like we just got here. You know,

1188
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: it's like, well, what are you gonna do? I mean,

1189
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 1: you you brought them into fight? Uh, and now you're

1190
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: mad because they're getting in fights. Come on, you know

1191
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: this will all be over soon, sir. We're gonna leave.

1192
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: And so we did get out of there, and we

1193
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 1: landed in We landed in Mogadishu Airport and you know,

1194
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, got off the back just just like an

1195
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 1: old Vietnam movie. You know, they opened up the back

1196
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 1: door and you're hit with this heat wave, flap see

1197
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: in the face. And we walked right off of the ramp,

1198
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: literally walked off the ramp. And there's dudes out there,

1199
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 1: you know, hurting us, corraling us over and they brought

1200
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 1: us up to au Um an ongoing memorial ceremony. So

1201
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 1: we walked right into the ceremony. You know, you know,

1202
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: stuck our weapons, you know, behind us, slung behind us,

1203
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: stood at attention of formation. You know, they had rows

1204
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: of freaking boots and rifles stuck in the ground and

1205
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: helmets on it. And the old man, you know, said

1206
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:40,479
Speaker 1: some words, Bill Garrison. General Garrison said, he spoke very well,

1207
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: he's he said some really great things. Man. Uh and

1208
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 1: uh then the started major said some things and it

1209
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: was just sounded stupid. You know, it's really disappointed at him.

1210
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 1: But you know, so that we did that, We had

1211
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: that ceremony for the guys that had died, you know,

1212
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 1: just hours earlier, and uh, you know, we just kind

1213
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: of dug into our places we were going to stay.

1214
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 1: The c squadron was in a hangar that had overhead

1215
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 1: cover and the rangers, their rangers were there. We picked

1216
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 1: a terminal building that was unfinished. We had had a

1217
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: had a roof on it, but it had no walls.

1218
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: Three sixty degrees, there were no walls. It was like

1219
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 1: a huge concrete pavilion, open air opened. Yeah. So we

1220
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: took our rangers win in there and set up shopping.

1221
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 1: We got murdered that night, and you know, we had

1222
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: no we had no we had no cover. So you

1223
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: were teamed up. You guys were teamed up with. So

1224
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 1: you're the guys that came in. You were with a squadron,

1225
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: and you must have gotten teamed up with probably my

1226
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 1: old company a co from three seven five. I think

1227
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: it was a co man, Yeah, I really do. And

1228
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: we hit you know, we had our rangers right in

1229
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: the terminal with this uh and it was pretty it

1230
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 1: was pretty cool. Um, but you know when the mortars came,

1231
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: you know, we had something had to be done. So um,

1232
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: Red Red Horse, I hope I'm saying that right. The

1233
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 1: Air Force Red Horse Division came in and you know,

1234
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: they have heavy equipment, you know, they do it all

1235
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: heavy construction is what they do. And they had a

1236
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:28,439
Speaker 1: crane and they found these huge concrete slabs hues, they're

1237
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: like two stories high, rectangular. They were in a pile

1238
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: way off somewhere and they picked these damn things up

1239
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: one at a time and they leaned them up against

1240
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 1: the pavilion all the way around it, you know, well

1241
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 1: on three sides. Actually the side against facing the city

1242
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 1: which is like one street away and a barbed wire fence.

1243
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 1: They've been on two sides and on the side facing

1244
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 1: away from the city. They sand bagged it up like

1245
01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 1: basically up over your head about that high, and then

1246
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 1: they put heavy plastic, heavy clear plastic to seal it

1247
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: all the way around and finished it off by shoving

1248
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of a C units, you know, these big

1249
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 1: gass hoses, and they stuck them through the plastic. So

1250
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 1: we had we had cover and shields from the elements,

1251
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 1: and uh, it was actually cool in there. So I

1252
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 1: admit that we had it pretty freaking nice. I mean

1253
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 1: I I wasn't complaining because a few days when we

1254
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 1: didn't have it, it was it was almost unbearable, man,

1255
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 1: because the tarmac was was right there, and every every

1256
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:38,919
Speaker 1: single minute of every day there were C one thirties

1257
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: with their engines full revved. Exhaust was blown back through

1258
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 1: our pavilion all the time. It was just gasing guys out.

1259
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 1: I mean we had like T shirts over our face,

1260
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: you know, wrapped around our mouths and nose trying to

1261
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 1: breathe it. And black Hawks were had their blades turning

1262
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 1: all the time for alert Russian freaking uh ant and

1263
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: off we'll a in one twelve. I guess is what

1264
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:08,679
Speaker 1: they are. It's like they're big, yeah, big transport way

1265
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: louder than our C five's ever were way louder. I

1266
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 1: don't understand with their difference between their hydraulics and ours,

1267
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: but those things were so freaking loud, and that was

1268
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 1: all day long. It was just just wearing us out.

1269
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: So when these guys built that cover and all that

1270
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 1: stuff just kind of died off and it was it

1271
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 1: was like life was good, you know. So what were

1272
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: you guys doing in what happened in Somalia after that?

1273
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys were the reinforcements that showed up

1274
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: after Gothic Serpent went sideways? Yeah, exactly exactly. With Sideways

1275
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 1: and the the plan of attack changed a bit, like

1276
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:55,480
Speaker 1: C Squadron didn't want anything to do with their Ranger counterpart.

1277
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: I mean, that wasn't going to happen. So yeah, yeah,

1278
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: I remember reading that they felt that some of the

1279
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: leadership in the Range of Battalion hadn't handled it so well. Yeah,

1280
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:11,599
Speaker 1: And and I'm I'm just glad not to have been

1281
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 1: a part of that. So it's kind of great not

1282
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 1: having an opinion in that regard, I should say. But

1283
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 1: but I do know that they wrote those guys out

1284
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:24,839
Speaker 1: of the assault plans, and we were in the assault plants,

1285
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 1: so we were gonna We're gonna rotate back and forth

1286
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:32,520
Speaker 1: with C. C was still going to go in initially

1287
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 1: going on the objectives. We were going to block. We're

1288
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:39,639
Speaker 1: gonna provide the three sixty blocking force. And then we'd

1289
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,560
Speaker 1: swapped that out, you know, our next mission. Then we

1290
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 1: would go in and they would provide the blocking force.

1291
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 1: And that was and I'm like, I'm thinking, Wow, we've

1292
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 1: got two companies, the rangers that have absolutely nothing to do.

1293
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 1: How does that work? And I mean our rangers, they

1294
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 1: put them on guard duty. We needed guards, that's fine.

1295
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 1: I mean we to pull guard two, but we didn't

1296
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,640
Speaker 1: have to. We had rangers up on the roof, you

1297
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: know with mau deuce and fighting positions and um, yeah,

1298
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 1: they pulled guard duty and me and my one of

1299
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 1: my buds would climb up on the roof and you know,

1300
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 1: kind of go hang out with them a little bit,

1301
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: try to keep the morale going. But yeah, that's what

1302
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 1: we're outfitted to do. And we did signature flights. We

1303
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:31,639
Speaker 1: kept up. We did signature flights so that C Squatter

1304
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,639
Speaker 1: didn't have to do and they've done enough. We basically

1305
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 1: just get our our matta, you know, with full up

1306
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 1: with all the Hawks and the age six and six

1307
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 1: little birds and kid up full And I remember the

1308
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 1: first flight we did, they said, yeah, we're gonna do.

1309
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 1: We're gonna fly five feet at like sixty knots and

1310
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna you know, and and the and e. And

1311
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 1: the reason for a signature flight is you're keeping up

1312
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: you're keeping up a car instant tempo, You're keeping the

1313
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:06,759
Speaker 1: profile constant that Uh, the heetles are not just spinning

1314
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 1: up when there's a mission. So like the modiflies over

1315
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 1: they have absolutely no mission, but the smalleys don't know that.

1316
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 1: You know, are you desensitizing the target area desensitizing the

1317
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 1: target are Yeah, it's like, oh, here they come, you know,

1318
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 1: the ship's on and then we just kind of fly

1319
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 1: around and nothing happens. Um. We did those in the

1320
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 1: day and in the night. Uh did one in the

1321
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 1: rain and and it impressed me immediately. You know, we said, well,

1322
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna do no kidding, five feet at sixty I

1323
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 1: mean I could I could shoot that target from the hip.

1324
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 1: You know, that's we're really gonna do that. But anyway,

1325
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 1: so we jammed in these black hawks fifteen men per

1326
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: black hawks. Um, it was it was an incredible load. Man.

1327
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 1: It's like when you sat down and we put a

1328
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 1: cot in a regular army caught right in the middle

1329
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 1: and strapped down because we had a row guys sitting

1330
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 1: on the cot, and then a row of guys you know,

1331
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,600
Speaker 1: sitting in front of them, and then a rows of

1332
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: guys hanging out the door, you know, feet hanging out

1333
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 1: the door, and the one guy sitting on the fast

1334
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 1: rope coil um where your butt hit that is where

1335
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 1: it was gonna stay. It wouldn't get a budge. So

1336
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: if you had a niche, you better take care of

1337
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 1: it before the helok took off because that we were

1338
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: packed in there, and I thought, man, if we get

1339
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 1: if a one bullet comes in here, it's gonna kill

1340
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: like nine guys. Or if we have to we make

1341
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:40,639
Speaker 1: a hard landing, it's gonna everyone's gonna have like lumbar

1342
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 1: injuries and no one's gonna be able to fight. But

1343
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 1: that's just the way it was. And we did. We

1344
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: just did those flights day and night and they and

1345
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 1: the five hundred and sixty knots was that didn't happen. Man,

1346
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 1: we were about a hundred feet off the deck and

1347
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 1: moving over hundred knots. Man, flying fat, We were flying fast,

1348
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 1: And I'm like, this is more like you know, I

1349
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: would have I would actually have to like, you know,

1350
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: lick my front sight post with my thumb, you know,

1351
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 1: like Sergeant York and settle in and try to get

1352
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 1: a shot off on that. You know. So, did you

1353
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 1: guys end up running any further operations or was there

1354
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 1: just a kind of a lead up to ah, I

1355
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 1: guess a lead up to a wine down in a withdraw.

1356
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 1: It really was a lead up, like you said, lead

1357
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 1: up to a wine down. We we didn't do an

1358
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 1: official assault on an objective anything beyond the signature flights.

1359
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 1: We kept ourselves. It seems like we were like one

1360
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 1: step ahead of all kinds of ship that was happening.

1361
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 1: That was happening. We just were like not in the

1362
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 1: right place at the right time. We occupied ourselves every

1363
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 1: day with some kind of um signature activity or at

1364
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 1: least something that involved some kind of training, Like we

1365
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 1: fleet down the coast and we were doing call for

1366
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 1: fires with apts and is and we did those day

1367
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:14,599
Speaker 1: and night. Um. We we threw we shot at targets

1368
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 1: in the ocean. Are our our logs of guys built

1369
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:22,600
Speaker 1: these small boats out of these huge chunks of styrophone

1370
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 1: and lit them up with with some freaking cam lights.

1371
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:29,599
Speaker 1: For the night time. But they would throw those they

1372
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 1: would deploy those things out and our birds would fly

1373
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 1: over him and we riddle the ship out of him,

1374
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:38,600
Speaker 1: you know, from the air practice shooting targets, you know,

1375
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 1: from the air, which which made sense to me, and

1376
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 1: you know, we grenaded him and just just shot the

1377
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 1: hell out of him. And it's something that else that

1378
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 1: impressed me about our pilots is on on my O

1379
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 1: H six, my little bird, and I was sitting with

1380
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 1: my good buddy Sam Foster on the on the pod

1381
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 1: outside and we were just then gun and gunning, and

1382
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 1: the birds making passes over these boats, and I ran

1383
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,639
Speaker 1: out of ammunition, you know, I shot my basic glow dry.

1384
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:11,600
Speaker 1: I was like somewhere around five rounds, and you know,

1385
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 1: my barrel was smoking, and I was out. Well, the

1386
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 1: co pilot, I was sitting on the copilot side of

1387
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 1: the bird. He hangs he sticks his hand out the

1388
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,839
Speaker 1: window and he's got he's got a thirty round magazine.

1389
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, he has a magazine. So I slapped,

1390
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, I grabbed that mag for him, like you know,

1391
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 1: and emptied that mag and I you know, stuck the

1392
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 1: mag up in front of his window where he could

1393
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:38,639
Speaker 1: see it, and he pulled it in and he stuck

1394
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 1: another one out before he did that. He did that

1395
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 1: eight freaking times. God damn, these guys. This is what

1396
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. These guys mean business, you know. And

1397
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 1: if you and you can read the accounts of the

1398
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:53,599
Speaker 1: pilots of how they flew and the things they did

1399
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,719
Speaker 1: for Sea Squadron Um, you know, they put their birds

1400
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 1: down in alleyways and we're fuckings hanging out the door.

1401
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 1: Was shooting dudes in the alley within p fives and

1402
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 1: a rs. I mean, these guys were as mixed up

1403
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 1: as you can get in it. But when we landed,

1404
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, I slapped that guy on the back. He

1405
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 1: looked at me like he thought I was gonna kick

1406
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: his ass or something. Was clapped him in the back

1407
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 1: in his pilot's seat, you know, and shook his hand.

1408
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 1: You know, I said, you're the man. He's like, oh yeah,

1409
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 1: he shook his head. You know. Any any injuries from

1410
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 1: those flights, No, no, no, My squadron only took one.

1411
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:38,599
Speaker 1: Oh're gonna love this. Uh we did a we did

1412
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 1: a goat lap two down the coast. I mean, you know,

1413
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 1: we didn't know what we're gonna do from day to day.

1414
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:45,720
Speaker 1: We flew down the coast and we jumped out of

1415
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 1: the helos, went in some ruins and there was a

1416
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 1: bunch of mutilated goats. We're like, oh god, you know,

1417
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 1: so we saved these goats, you know, uh, saved him

1418
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 1: and then they disposed of them. Come to find out,

1419
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:02,759
Speaker 1: they took him out and dropped him in the ocean. Um.

1420
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 1: But they washed up on shore, which was fucked up

1421
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 1: because now you know, we're trying to keep it quiet

1422
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 1: and to keep the signature down. But the things washed

1423
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 1: up on shore and now everybody could see him. But

1424
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 1: the one, the one casually we took was Jamie Wiederman.

1425
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a familiar name to you, Jack, Yes, yeah,

1426
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 1: he's the only guy man that he Uh, Jamie Wiedman

1427
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 1: got a purple heart during the first night we were there.

1428
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 1: You know, I always say when it rains, the pores man,

1429
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 1: it's like it was pouring from the time we got

1430
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 1: word in Bragg. At Bragg, you know, it was just

1431
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:40,759
Speaker 1: pooring and you know, we're running around trying to get settled,

1432
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 1: and me and Sam Foster went to drop off the

1433
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 1: letter we heard there was a mailbox over by C

1434
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:49,799
Speaker 1: Squadron and have to talk. We were a quick letter, honey,

1435
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 1: having a great time here in East Africa and un

1436
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 1: as we went to find this mailbox and freaking got

1437
01:18:57,040 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 1: mordered and that killed Matt Ryerson and took out like

1438
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 1: fifteen dudes. It was, it was, It was amazing, man.

1439
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:08,799
Speaker 1: It was like it was the day after the mission,

1440
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 1: right when they were back in the bed exactly. Um

1441
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:16,679
Speaker 1: and more guys in C Squadron got hurt. That really

1442
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 1: that that that fucked with That fucked with me a

1443
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:24,520
Speaker 1: bit because I saw more guys from C squad ragles.

1444
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 1: You know, the rich keep getting richer, man, or the

1445
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 1: porn keep getting poor or something I'm looking at. You know.

1446
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: Jason Lincoln, he's he's he's got shrapnel in him. And

1447
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:38,679
Speaker 1: Scott Miller he's now so Comtrommander. He he was a

1448
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 1: commander on the ground man. He got hit in the

1449
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:43,640
Speaker 1: back again with some shrapnel. Then had his shirt he

1450
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 1: was already he had his left arm was bandaged up

1451
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 1: because he had frags from the fight in the city.

1452
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:53,680
Speaker 1: But you know, he was just he stayed there and

1453
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:55,719
Speaker 1: they had him sitting down and they had his shirt

1454
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 1: pulled up over his head and he was bleeding out

1455
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 1: of his back. And I was just like spitting mad

1456
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 1: at that point. And that of course Matt Ryerson, I

1457
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, me and me and Sam Foster knew that

1458
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 1: clearly he was dead, and uh and it was the word.

1459
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,639
Speaker 1: It was the most unbelievable mess that he was laying

1460
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 1: into because he was because he was in a slightly

1461
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 1: low spot and all the the log was piled around

1462
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 1: it was pallets of water, pallets of hydraulic fluid for

1463
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 1: the bird's oil, and that all that ship got punctured

1464
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 1: and was flooding out, and it was all running down

1465
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 1: to that little sump where Matt was lying totally bleeding out.

1466
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:42,800
Speaker 1: So everyone was splashing around in that ship, you know,

1467
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 1: sitting in it, kneeling in it, laying in it, trying

1468
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:48,680
Speaker 1: to patch Matt up medic is like trying to give

1469
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 1: him resuscitation breadths. And it was just bubbling out the

1470
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 1: back of his head, you know, And he had a

1471
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 1: huge hole in his back, so I mean, it was

1472
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 1: like bigger than the whole mortar round. So I don't

1473
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 1: know how it made that hole that big, but he

1474
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 1: was dead and everybody's slipping and falling because there's oil

1475
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 1: and ship. So there was that and Jamie Weedaman, it

1476
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 1: was right there too. I don't know what he's doing,

1477
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 1: but he got fragged in his hand and he just

1478
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 1: you have to know, Jamie, Man, the guy is priceless.

1479
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 1: He's freaking priceless. He just like looked at it said,

1480
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 1: fuck man, that shit hurts. And he walked back to

1481
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 1: the terminal building and he fucking sucked it and he

1482
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:36,799
Speaker 1: tore it out with his teeth. Yeah, he just started

1483
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 1: messing with it and he's like biting on it and

1484
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 1: sucking on it, and he pulled it out with his

1485
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 1: with his teeth, and he never said anything about it.

1486
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 1: It's like they put him in for a purple heart.

1487
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 1: Like years later he's I don't want that ship take

1488
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 1: the pain. Man. It's safe to say he served with

1489
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 1: some pretty badass dudes between Pat McNamara and all these

1490
01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 1: guys were hearing about now man, So I was during

1491
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 1: you said eight years in first Group and then how

1492
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 1: many years in Delta Ian and Delta I was there

1493
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 1: for like a nice round decade, so nearly two decades

1494
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 1: military career. Say that against him, nearly a two decade

1495
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:22,679
Speaker 1: military career. Yeah, at twenty years. Man, I got out

1496
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 1: at twenty years. I got out like the first of

1497
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 1: in January of two thousand one, and right at twenty years.

1498
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 1: And uh, I was in the at the time. I

1499
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 1: was in the Advon Squadron, the Advanced Operations Squadron, so

1500
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:42,720
Speaker 1: I was still pulling triggers. Uh. But what I had

1501
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 1: in front of me, the next thing I had left

1502
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 1: in front of me was a fourth rotation to Bosnia,

1503
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,720
Speaker 1: and I, yeah, that's what I had to look forward to.

1504
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 1: And I I don't know, I remember, I remember when

1505
01:22:57,520 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 1: I got the news, like, George, You're going to Bosnia.

1506
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna be a team leader for I

1507
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:04,600
Speaker 1: mean team leaders, like you're there's two people at you

1508
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 1: and a female, but basically that's the team. And I'd

1509
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 1: already been there twice with two different females, and I

1510
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 1: remember they told me that, Like, Okay. I sat down

1511
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 1: at my desk and the day was over. I went

1512
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:19,839
Speaker 1: home and my my wife was out in the backyard

1513
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 1: in the garden. You know, we had this modest garden

1514
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 1: out there. It was cool as ship. But I was

1515
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 1: out there and I was helping her. I was doing

1516
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 1: the hard part, you know, and yanking the weeds, and

1517
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:33,479
Speaker 1: she was like spritsing plants with such spray bottles or

1518
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 1: something and I and I stopped. I stopped hoeing, and

1519
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 1: I looked up and I said, hey, you know something, babe.

1520
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 1: She's like what, I go, I want to get out

1521
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 1: of the army. Yeah, and she she looked at me.

1522
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 1: I go, I'm done, man, January is my twenty years.

1523
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:52,160
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to be in the army anymore.

1524
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 1: I went out. She said, I totally support that, and

1525
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 1: I was like, I felt so good after that, man,

1526
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 1: you know, I was pulling weeds. I was happy. And

1527
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 1: I went in the next day and you know what

1528
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:07,679
Speaker 1: I told the boss. I said, I'm I'm done and

1529
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:09,719
Speaker 1: got the hell out of there. It was a relief

1530
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 1: at that point. Yeah, man, it was. It was such

1531
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 1: It was such a relief. And I got out. You mean,

1532
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 1: I did my clearing. I had to do, you know,

1533
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 1: do some things on main post, which was which was

1534
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:26,680
Speaker 1: really traumatic for me. It's like I had to put

1535
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 1: on a uniform and go sit in large groups and

1536
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 1: listen to mindless ship get cleared and cleared out. I

1537
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 1: think they call it the cat brief, something to get

1538
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 1: out and and who shows up at my cat brief

1539
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 1: but doctor American badass himself, Dale Comstock. I'm like, I'm

1540
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:47,640
Speaker 1: like Dale, it's like George, you know. So we're now

1541
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 1: we're like holding onto each other like little kids, you know,

1542
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 1: sitting at a table together, sep this guy talk about

1543
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:58,599
Speaker 1: doing you know, job interviews and how to dress. So

1544
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 1: we did all that and got out and win our ways.

1545
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:06,800
Speaker 1: You know. I came to Vegas. Uh, I took a

1546
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 1: job at the end of a test site for you know,

1547
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:12,719
Speaker 1: sixteen years, and then ended up here not with my

1548
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 1: oldest daughter. Well, George we uh, of course, once again

1549
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 1: there is another one of those interviews where we really

1550
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 1: just kind of scratched the surface. There's so much to

1551
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 1: talk because we uh, we didn't get to Columbia. We didn't,

1552
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:30,600
Speaker 1: I know, George was doing some training down Guiana. He

1553
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 1: has some funny stories about that, and like we just

1554
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 1: kind of like, oh and all this stuff in Bosnia.

1555
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:37,640
Speaker 1: So we just kind of barely scratched the surface that

1556
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 1: you know what I'm wondering though, So you got out

1557
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:43,599
Speaker 1: in in two thousand one, I'm assuming pre nine oleven, right,

1558
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 1: the yeah. Uh yeah, two thousand one, January two thou one.

1559
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 1: Uh you know. I started working there on May first

1560
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 1: in ah in Las Vegas, so made you. And July

1561
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:04,440
Speaker 1: September am that came down and a sergeant major deployed

1562
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 1: from Bragg and came out to where I was working

1563
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 1: because we had thirteen former unit guys working there with

1564
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 1: us in that in that project. And he sat down

1565
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:17,720
Speaker 1: with us and throughout all kinds of deals on the

1566
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:20,400
Speaker 1: table for us to come back, since you can come back,

1567
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 1: you can do this, you can be this, you can

1568
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 1: do that. And nobody took any of his deals. Nobody took.

1569
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 1: Not even one guy took the deals. So uh, you know,

1570
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 1: and I and there was like a lot of sour

1571
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:36,599
Speaker 1: grapes from some of the guys because you're like, man,

1572
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 1: I waited so long there and I just couldn't stand anymore.

1573
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:42,560
Speaker 1: I leave the same year this this crap happens, like

1574
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 1: go back, man, go back to the unit, son of

1575
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 1: a bitch, go shoot. And they all ended up going

1576
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:52,679
Speaker 1: to the Triple Canopy and places like that. Uh. And

1577
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 1: I'm the only one that stayed working with the d

1578
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 1: o E contract to the d o E, Like you know,

1579
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 1: twelve guys left, they went to the Triple Canopy. I said,

1580
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 1: they got out. They're out there back doing the same ship.

1581
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 1: You know, they're getting killed, they're getting maimed. One of

1582
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:11,720
Speaker 1: the guys lost both eyes on a grenade impact. God

1583
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 1: in Iraq, I'm like, God, dang. I know there's one

1584
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:22,639
Speaker 1: former Delta member who uh he went back to Iraq

1585
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 1: as a contractor and got captured and I think they

1586
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:29,639
Speaker 1: had someone had to pay ransom to get him out. Yeah,

1587
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 1: that's yeah. I don't I don't have a lot to

1588
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 1: say about that, but that is true. Jack is true.

1589
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:39,639
Speaker 1: It sounds like in a lot of ways that I mean,

1590
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:42,559
Speaker 1: you honorably served for two decades, you did what you

1591
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 1: had to do, and you probably did get out at

1592
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 1: the right time. Um as as Jack was just saying, like,

1593
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 1: there's plenty more to cover, But I guess one last

1594
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 1: question for me, and I'm sure that this could be

1595
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:56,559
Speaker 1: expanded on for a whole another show, but just I guess, briefly,

1596
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 1: how did the transition then happen to doing what you're

1597
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 1: doing today, which is working with local law enforcement in

1598
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 1: combating human trafficking. The my transition and I didn't write

1599
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 1: about it a bit. My My transition was not any

1600
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 1: nicer than anybody else's. I guarantee you it wasn't. My

1601
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 1: first few years with the Department of Energy, We're we're rough, man,

1602
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 1: they were really rough. I had to sit in front

1603
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 1: of a board, a panel of senior management several times,

1604
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like get boarded, to get

1605
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 1: to get kicked out for doing things and uh. But

1606
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:43,800
Speaker 1: I always had immediate supervisors and bosses who stuck up

1607
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 1: for me. You know, they really did. They They would

1608
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 1: come in and sit with me during the board and

1609
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 1: say I called bullshit on that that remark and that

1610
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 1: question that you know, take chances because they because I

1611
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 1: worked for them and they knew what it was like

1612
01:28:57,560 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 1: to have me work for them. They're like, and George,

1613
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 1: here's here's some cash. You know, here's a destination, here's

1614
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 1: a task. I'll see you when I see it, and

1615
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 1: let me go. And it was that that kind of

1616
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:15,559
Speaker 1: management was a godsend. You know, I was living life again. Man.

1617
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 1: I was going a hundred miles an hour. I was,

1618
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 1: you know, I was figuring out what I was gonna do.

1619
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:25,599
Speaker 1: Uh at the next destination on the way out there,

1620
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, um, just just running myself ragged. And but

1621
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:34,080
Speaker 1: that ship caught up with me eventually. Um, you know,

1622
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 1: I never really did fully transition. Well, I uh, my

1623
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 1: conduct caught up with me and I got the boot

1624
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 1: finally and nobody could save me. So uh and that's

1625
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:51,960
Speaker 1: kind of how I ended up here. Uh. But um,

1626
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 1: the way I got my job here, I mean I

1627
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:58,080
Speaker 1: was here. I was really really sick man. I was

1628
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:01,880
Speaker 1: a sick dude. I was really sick and my daughter

1629
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 1: was taking care of me, and I had no job

1630
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:11,719
Speaker 1: and I had no mission focus. And the second Regimental Command,

1631
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 1: Sergeant Major Greg Birch, I knew a guy. He never

1632
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 1: met him before, but he worked with him over the

1633
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:24,640
Speaker 1: phone in Pakistan, in Peshawar, Pakistan, doing enough missions. He

1634
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:27,880
Speaker 1: knew this guy, and he knew the guy was in Albuquerque,

1635
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 1: and he knew the guy was running a nonprofit that

1636
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:34,439
Speaker 1: uh and was looking for people that could work out

1637
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:38,160
Speaker 1: on the street and make things happen. Greg gave you

1638
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 1: the guy's number, told me briefly about him, and I

1639
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:44,839
Speaker 1: called the dude up and I said, hey, good afternoons

1640
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:47,360
Speaker 1: for My name is George Hanne, And he said, you're hired.

1641
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, well, let me tell you a

1642
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 1: little bit about myself, because I don't need to know anymore,

1643
01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 1: says Greg. Already told me enough. That's why people think

1644
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 1: so highly of Sergeant Major Birch. Yeah, I mean, don't

1645
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 1: get me started. Man. I his birthday was like two

1646
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:12,720
Speaker 1: days ago or something, and him and I text, like

1647
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:16,600
Speaker 1: we text one line every two or three months. We

1648
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:20,080
Speaker 1: text each other one line. And on his birthday, I said,

1649
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 1: I said, hey, man, you didn't wish me happy birthday

1650
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:26,640
Speaker 1: on my birthday, so I'll be damned if I'm going

1651
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 1: to remember you on yours. That's what That's what I

1652
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:36,479
Speaker 1: sent him, and he sent back it's uh no, it's

1653
01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:38,879
Speaker 1: great to hear these stories because he was my sergeant

1654
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 1: major when I first got to arrangement and uh and

1655
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:44,479
Speaker 1: that's why you always have these stories talking about Greg.

1656
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:46,640
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, you mean Sergeant Major Birch, right,

1657
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:50,840
Speaker 1: because I would never think of him in another way.

1658
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:53,479
Speaker 1: I remember when I was I was a brand new private,

1659
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 1: I was an E two and um, I actually ran

1660
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:59,639
Speaker 1: into our regimental sergeant major in the chow Hall line

1661
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:01,519
Speaker 1: and he knew. I mean, he takes one look at

1662
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:03,599
Speaker 1: me and he knows I'm a brand new kid right

1663
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 1: out of the out of rip. And he starts asking me.

1664
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:08,080
Speaker 1: He's like, what do you think you're a battalion sergeant

1665
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 1: Major there Murphy, And I was like, I don't really

1666
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:13,200
Speaker 1: know sergeant Major. I haven't met him yet. And he's like, okay,

1667
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 1: well turn around and meet him right now. And so

1668
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:19,040
Speaker 1: I turn around, and uh and I shake hands with

1669
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 1: Sergeant Major Birch and uh, I just look into this

1670
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:24,640
Speaker 1: dude's eyes and I knew immediately as a as a

1671
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:27,599
Speaker 1: nineteen year old and know nothing. I knew at that

1672
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:30,360
Speaker 1: moment like this is not someone to be trifled with.

1673
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:34,599
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna screw with this guy. Um, but he's

1674
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:37,680
Speaker 1: held he is held in very high regard in the

1675
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:40,519
Speaker 1: range of regiment, and uh and with good reason. You know,

1676
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 1: he did a lot for us. Yeah, that's that's definitely Greg,

1677
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:48,320
Speaker 1: I mean Greg King for b squardrons. So Mac got

1678
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 1: to work with Greg for years, and Max spoke really

1679
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:54,639
Speaker 1: highly of Greg Bird, you know, and then Greg came

1680
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 1: over to take a leadership position in my squadron, and

1681
01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:00,400
Speaker 1: I was I was tickled to death, you know that

1682
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 1: I got to be in a squadron with him, and

1683
01:33:02,479 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 1: then we ended up in a pho together, and you know,

1684
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:07,920
Speaker 1: even Greg like it is most relaxed, you know, when

1685
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:11,840
Speaker 1: we're just like scratching our asses and making jokes. And

1686
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 1: even even at that, during those times, he's still got

1687
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:19,479
Speaker 1: that that air of like that is the best soldier

1688
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:22,200
Speaker 1: in the army, you know, in the modern army. To

1689
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:25,040
Speaker 1: this is like the best even at his worst, he's

1690
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:27,600
Speaker 1: he's I still think that's the best soldier that the

1691
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 1: army has right now. Yeah, that intensity and um and

1692
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 1: also it was just it seems like a continuous focus

1693
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:40,040
Speaker 1: on coaching, teaching and mentoring soldiers, UM, and training them

1694
01:33:40,479 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 1: and teaching them the right way to do things and

1695
01:33:43,439 --> 01:33:46,400
Speaker 1: choosing the hard right over the easy wrong. Those are

1696
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:48,360
Speaker 1: some of the words and some of the impressions that

1697
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:51,200
Speaker 1: you know from walking under him. That's stay that still

1698
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:55,760
Speaker 1: stand out with me. That's completely correct. Um, He's he

1699
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 1: does that, and he does it with as few words

1700
01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:01,559
Speaker 1: as possible. I mean that that always amazed me how

1701
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:05,640
Speaker 1: he could get so much across, you know, in so

1702
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 1: few words, and almost everything he would tell me would

1703
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:11,479
Speaker 1: make me want to go, like look in the mirror

1704
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:13,200
Speaker 1: in the bathroom and say you need to get your

1705
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:16,639
Speaker 1: ship together. You know, you need to sit up straight

1706
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:20,760
Speaker 1: when that dude, and the women loved him in that

1707
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:24,160
Speaker 1: in the squad in that squadron there, they loved Greg

1708
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:29,799
Speaker 1: because you're so professional. Yeah, they loved him just because

1709
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 1: of what you described the mentoring, the coaching, and you

1710
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:36,599
Speaker 1: know what I mean. He was such a super fit there.

1711
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:40,479
Speaker 1: And they hated Mike Guts, those women, and I wanted

1712
01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:46,040
Speaker 1: it that way and I was glad and I hated them. No,

1713
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 1: they yeah, I was no good there. But it's okay,

1714
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:52,639
Speaker 1: it's okay, And you know what, I think that's that's

1715
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:56,000
Speaker 1: a great way to wrap it up, as as as

1716
01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:59,040
Speaker 1: Jack was saying, like, there's plenty more that we could cover,

1717
01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:01,519
Speaker 1: but I think, as you said a few minutes ago,

1718
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 1: I think a great way to end it is that

1719
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:06,799
Speaker 1: you got hired doing what you're doing now off name alone,

1720
01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:09,479
Speaker 1: like that puts you in a legendary status. I think

1721
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 1: if someone said, George hand do you have the job?

1722
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:16,840
Speaker 1: That's awesome. I appreciate that. And I've cheated myself out

1723
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:20,679
Speaker 1: of a couple of minutes to to ask you about

1724
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:22,800
Speaker 1: some time you did with will Cow. But you know,

1725
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:25,000
Speaker 1: well you can ask you whatever that. I don't think

1726
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 1: any story with willcow is anywhere near as interesting is

1727
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:30,599
Speaker 1: what we've covered in the past an hour and fifteen minutes.

1728
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:34,000
Speaker 1: But I know, but that's that's that's just I don't

1729
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:36,840
Speaker 1: want to hear about it. So and Jack knows Andrew

1730
01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:38,559
Speaker 1: just about as well as I do. I mean, he's

1731
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:42,080
Speaker 1: a very genuine guy. He's you know, he's one of

1732
01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:44,120
Speaker 1: those guys that he does have like a larger than

1733
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:46,680
Speaker 1: life personality on air, and I think people say, like, oh,

1734
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:49,479
Speaker 1: is this Yeah, it's just like put on for the show.

1735
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:52,200
Speaker 1: Is this an act of some sort? And I can

1736
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:54,439
Speaker 1: tell you it's definitely not like you've been with him

1737
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:58,400
Speaker 1: off air and he is intense. Yeah, No, it's it's

1738
01:35:58,439 --> 01:36:00,800
Speaker 1: not an act. I mean that's really how how he is.

1739
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:02,280
Speaker 1: But I mean, yeah, if you were if you were

1740
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 1: to have a one on one conversation with him, he's

1741
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:06,439
Speaker 1: not like yelling at you the way he yells into

1742
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:09,639
Speaker 1: the microphone. No, but he but he is that intense.

1743
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:13,240
Speaker 1: I would be I would be literally imprisoned in my

1744
01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 1: truck on the Devada test site listening to the guy,

1745
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:18,439
Speaker 1: you know, like I can't get on my truck. I mean,

1746
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:20,519
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta I gotta stay and listen. I

1747
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:23,320
Speaker 1: met my destination, but I can't get out. I have

1748
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:26,439
Speaker 1: to listen to them. That I often thought, asking myself

1749
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 1: to go. I don't know if I would like this

1750
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:30,519
Speaker 1: guy or not. I don't know. No, I think you would.

1751
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:33,760
Speaker 1: Would I like him? I'm not sure? But yeah, absolutely,

1752
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 1: I think so. I think actually even people that don't

1753
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:38,759
Speaker 1: like the show when they meet him as a person

1754
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:41,200
Speaker 1: like him. And I could relate to that man. Because

1755
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:44,559
Speaker 1: I was a radio major at hofst Hofstre University, had

1756
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 1: be going to these classes with like NPR guys talking

1757
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:49,439
Speaker 1: radio and it was all very boring a lot of

1758
01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:52,120
Speaker 1: the time, and I'd be driving around the parking lot

1759
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:54,760
Speaker 1: and have well cow on before I ever met the guy,

1760
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:58,280
Speaker 1: and I would be totally enthralled by whatever he was

1761
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:00,800
Speaker 1: talking about, agree with him or disagree with him, which

1762
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not a guy who's agreement with him,

1763
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 1: but he does a great job. Stay in his case

1764
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:08,840
Speaker 1: sometimes and I'd be late for class because I'd be

1765
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:11,200
Speaker 1: too less, too busy listening to what he was doing.

1766
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 1: And little did I know that one day get to

1767
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:15,800
Speaker 1: work with the guy. It's just it's it's crazy how

1768
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:18,559
Speaker 1: life works out like that, right. I mean that reminds

1769
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:22,040
Speaker 1: me of your story of learning Mandarin Chinese. You had

1770
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:25,240
Speaker 1: no idea if it would apply to your job, and

1771
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:30,080
Speaker 1: then years down the line it's it's what gets your gig. Yeah.

1772
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:34,880
Speaker 1: And I've calculated that I drew something like over the time,

1773
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:41,800
Speaker 1: I drew about seventeen thousand dollars in language pay by

1774
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:44,479
Speaker 1: the time I retired. So when I calculated all, you know,

1775
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:49,200
Speaker 1: d dollars a month, you know, blah blah blah dollars,

1776
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 1: I ended up profiting out of knowing that language. But

1777
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:58,639
Speaker 1: but will cow that that guy, he got more less

1778
01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:02,360
Speaker 1: out loud for me in I trucked by myself. Probably,

1779
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 1: I think Jay Moore is the only one that got

1780
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:08,120
Speaker 1: more more laughs out of me. And that's hard to do, man,

1781
01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:10,320
Speaker 1: It's hard to make me laugh out loud. Well, come

1782
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:13,640
Speaker 1: come to New York sometime and we'll we'll come to

1783
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:17,840
Speaker 1: New York sometime. We'll all hang out so you know,

1784
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:22,680
Speaker 1: when I get my uh my knees fixed, which I

1785
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:26,719
Speaker 1: have a date scheduled now, so I'm really I really

1786
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:29,960
Speaker 1: am doing something about it, and I'm able to travel again.

1787
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:32,360
Speaker 1: I can see myself in New York, you know, and

1788
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:37,120
Speaker 1: I can especially see myself in Vegas for the shot Nice.

1789
01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:40,559
Speaker 1: Have you guys met in person? Jack? Yeah, so this

1790
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:42,360
Speaker 1: is like one of the few guys from the site

1791
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:45,400
Speaker 1: that we've never met in person. Yeah. No, I'd love

1792
01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 1: to get together with George. That's why we We've tried

1793
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:51,479
Speaker 1: to get you out to the shot show a few times. Yeah,

1794
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 1: I know. And and it's it's always been the same,

1795
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:58,080
Speaker 1: the same excuse man as I I just can't. I

1796
01:38:58,120 --> 01:39:02,639
Speaker 1: can't travel. I mean, Josh Collins asked me yesterday, freaking yesterday.

1797
01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:05,360
Speaker 1: They're they're shooting a movie and it's in New York

1798
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:12,080
Speaker 1: and it's on April um and it's within fl players.

1799
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:16,000
Speaker 1: I don't know the parameters completely know the parameters, but

1800
01:39:17,479 --> 01:39:19,920
Speaker 1: he wanted me to be there, um, you know, because

1801
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:22,960
Speaker 1: it's it's all about PTSD and TV I all that ship.

1802
01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:30,400
Speaker 1: I'm PTSD with by d A M assessment And I like, Josh, man,

1803
01:39:30,439 --> 01:39:32,639
Speaker 1: you've been asking me to go places for years now.

1804
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:35,519
Speaker 1: He wanted me to paddle from Texas to New York

1805
01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:38,960
Speaker 1: with him, Like, Josh, I can't, I can't stand. I

1806
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:42,759
Speaker 1: can't travel, you know, Quit asking me to go places.

1807
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:46,120
Speaker 1: I can't do it. But anyway, that's all gonna be

1808
01:39:46,160 --> 01:39:50,519
Speaker 1: over probably in July. Gotcha. Well, that's that's good to hear.

1809
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:54,760
Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll meet you um once again on Twitter at

1810
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:57,839
Speaker 1: George e hand the fourth which is George e Hand

1811
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:01,320
Speaker 1: I V. Thanks for going well over an hour with us,

1812
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:03,960
Speaker 1: like this is a great discussion and there's there's a

1813
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:06,040
Speaker 1: lot more to talk about. I mean, a twenty year

1814
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:09,400
Speaker 1: career in the military is probably more than than any

1815
01:40:09,400 --> 01:40:11,240
Speaker 1: other authors on the site right now. I mean, that's

1816
01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:15,120
Speaker 1: a pretty distinguished career. Yeah, George was there for a

1817
01:40:15,120 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 1: long time. Ian scuttoo and Jack. It's always a pleasure, man.

1818
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:23,360
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks George. We'll do it again sometime soon.

1819
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:28,679
Speaker 1: Thanks my brothers, talk to you soon. George out here. Well.

1820
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:32,640
Speaker 1: Great having George on. Uh, I'm glad that we we

1821
01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:35,760
Speaker 1: went really long this episode. Those are always, you know,

1822
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:38,040
Speaker 1: and a pleasure to do and the time flies by,

1823
01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:41,240
Speaker 1: and I can tell that, uh, for George. As I

1824
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:45,439
Speaker 1: was kind of saying that Jack, you could tell he

1825
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:48,479
Speaker 1: was being very vulnerable there and it sounds like a

1826
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:51,880
Speaker 1: lot often times it's a call just between guys and

1827
01:40:52,120 --> 01:40:54,360
Speaker 1: you get stuff out of there that he probably hasn't

1828
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:58,479
Speaker 1: told in years. Yeah, no, And I mean that's always

1829
01:40:58,520 --> 01:41:02,840
Speaker 1: the goal, you know, it's and it's always a it's

1830
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:05,280
Speaker 1: an interesting feeling when you get somebody on it on

1831
01:41:05,320 --> 01:41:07,719
Speaker 1: the phone or in person and you get them to

1832
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:10,679
Speaker 1: talk about things that they probably haven't even thought about

1833
01:41:10,840 --> 01:41:14,280
Speaker 1: and a long time, you know. I mean I've interviewed

1834
01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:18,519
Speaker 1: people who haven't really talked about Vietnam since they served

1835
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:20,800
Speaker 1: there fifty years ago. I mean, that's a that's an

1836
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:24,439
Speaker 1: interesting experience. Yeah, Steve Ballas Jerry was telling me that too.

1837
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:27,720
Speaker 1: How he's interviewing these guys from the older generations and

1838
01:41:28,240 --> 01:41:30,080
Speaker 1: a lot of them have never told their story. This

1839
01:41:30,240 --> 01:41:33,080
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1840
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1841
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1842
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1843
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1844
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Speaker 1: one in a couple of weeks, so glad to have

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Speaker 1: a great guest on. We have some really other some

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Speaker 1: other cool people lined up for the future. Michael Colin

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Speaker 1: me Echo's a chef. Um, very different from what we're

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Speaker 1: doing here, but good stuff, good content. Um. Yeah, awesome

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Speaker 1: having George on. Really loved it. And we have a

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Speaker 1: lot of great guests lined up. Uh. Finally, Part two

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Speaker 1: of Mike Vining is coming up, which I've gotten a

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Speaker 1: lot of questions about when is that gonna Eric, they

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Speaker 1: heard us teasing a part two, and it is gonna happen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: working on a few other people too. I actually reached

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Speaker 1: out to somebody this morning. Yeah, you're back soon. Curtis

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Speaker 1: Alberts will be back on I'm looking at this. Uh.

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Speaker 1: John Mayer will be back on. Amber Smith. Uh. So

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Speaker 1: a lot of return guests that we just haven't heard

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Speaker 1: from in a while. Yeah, and uh and your former teammate, right,

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Speaker 1: Paul Paul Shary, he'll be on. It'll be in studio.

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Speaker 1: We haven't had it in studio guests in a while.

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Speaker 1: So we'll actually live stream that one. People always asked, actually,

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Speaker 1: like do you guys live stream the show? Where can

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Speaker 1: I find it? We do when we have someone in

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Speaker 1: the studio. I wouldn't even know how to live stream it,

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Speaker 1: to be honest, if it was all on Skype and

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Speaker 1: all that. Um So when we have someone in the studio,

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Speaker 1: we do, which we have it in a while, but

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Speaker 1: that'll be on SoC rep TV on YouTube and sop

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