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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode. If I saw what

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Speaker 1: you did. My name is Millie. To Jericho, I'm Danielle Henderson,

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Speaker 1: and hey everybody, we're back with you. It's January. Is

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Speaker 1: it dry January?

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Speaker 2: I mean so what that is every month is some

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Speaker 2: new thing that people feel like they have to do

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Speaker 2: to be human beings that I don't pay attention in you.

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Speaker 3: I don't care about your mustache November.

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Speaker 2: I don't care about your dry January, like your fucking

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Speaker 2: quilt August, Like I don't care.

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Speaker 1: No, No, I think we should come up with our

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Speaker 1: own shit. We would be like dirt bag June. I

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Speaker 1: don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love a dirt bag Jude. Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: do you remember? Oh we should have like make it

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Speaker 2: wistful and be like, oh, I remember when we had

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Speaker 2: diet coke March, where like you had to do that

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Speaker 2: Smeir and off ice thing, but with diet coke and

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Speaker 2: you just had to diet coke. Everyone you saw, like,

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Speaker 2: you can just make anything up and people will do

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Speaker 2: it for a month. Now, it's kind of wild. You'd

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Speaker 2: be like, oh, it's head rap, it's head wrap November.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's okay. Your birthdays in June. If we did

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Speaker 1: a dirt bag June, what are the terms and conditions?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 2: If we did a dirt bag June, and you're gonna

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Speaker 2: basically live like me for a month, So get ready

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Speaker 2: to be in bed a lot. Oh cool, a lot,

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Speaker 2: and you're gonna have to have a whole Your sleep

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Speaker 2: hygiene is going to improve by tenfold because you're gonna

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Speaker 2: have the calm app. I keep telling people this. I

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Speaker 2: actually told a friend of mine who was like one

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Speaker 2: of my oldest friends. She's going through something medical right now,

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Speaker 2: and she was kind of panicky, and we had a

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Speaker 2: long talk and at the end of it, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: all right, Dick, if you have trouble sleeping tonight, you

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Speaker 2: should you have the calm app. Like listen to Killian

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Speaker 2: Murphy reading that story about Ireland. She texted back the

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Speaker 2: next day and she's like, you were not kidding that

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Speaker 2: shit was like, fucking Morphy.

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Speaker 3: Does he do the what's his?

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Speaker 1: What is it called? Like Night Train to Georgia or

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Speaker 1: some shit like what's Yeah, it's like trained Ireland or

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Speaker 1: somekay Ireland.

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Speaker 2: And I listen to it every night and I fall

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Speaker 2: asleep in five minutes without drugs like, you're gonna have

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Speaker 2: the best sleep of your life. You also, were gonna

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Speaker 2: use the calm map to take a nap every single day.

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Speaker 2: There is a twenty six minute nap meditation, and you

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Speaker 2: wake up to the sound of birds. You go to

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Speaker 2: sleep to the sound of some dude and you wake

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Speaker 2: up to the sound of birds because he eventually shuts up,

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Speaker 2: and then you're just asleep. Yeah, and then you wake

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Speaker 2: up completely refreshed. So your sleep is going to be incredible. Also,

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Speaker 2: get used to not showering every day. Okay, I don't

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Speaker 2: know about y'all, but I don't live with anybody. So

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Speaker 2: as long as I can stand my own funk, sometimes

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Speaker 2: you can go for two days.

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Speaker 1: Two days.

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Speaker 2: Just get used to living in your own field for

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Speaker 2: a minute, let your let your body do its thing, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: for a couple of days. Throw out your razors. Sure,

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Speaker 2: I don't care if it's June. Throw them out.

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Speaker 3: You don't need them.

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Speaker 1: Dirt bag June.

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Speaker 3: You don't need it's dirt bag June. Get the fuck

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Speaker 3: rid of your fucking razors.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: What else?

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Speaker 2: Oh, you're gonna cook like a motherfucker. You're gonna have

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Speaker 2: a meal plan because I meal plan. Okay, so you're

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Speaker 2: gonna meal plan and then you're gonna destroy that meal

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Speaker 2: plan with snacks, Like you're gonna make a fucking Straga

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Speaker 2: Nona size pot of popcorn every day and like ladle

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Speaker 2: Like I eat like a fucking cauldron of popcorn daily.

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Speaker 1: That's right. It's like in a Bugs Bunny cartoon where

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Speaker 1: he's getting cooked. Absolutely, so it's just popcorn. Basically, you're saying, yeah,

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Speaker 1: just playing popcorn, snack on it throughout the day so

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Speaker 1: that when actual meal times come around and you've had

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Speaker 1: this beautiful meal plan and maybe you've cooked a delicious

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Speaker 1: just been eating popcorn for three hours straight. Okay, sounds

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that might happen you, Like you might actually

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Speaker 2: get some vitamin deficiency during dirt Bag June, but you'll recover,

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Speaker 2: You'll recover in July.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean my vitamin? Like, am I gonna

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Speaker 1: have scurvy? Like my kid's gonna fall out? What's going on?

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Speaker 3: You might get gout? I'm just saying.

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Speaker 1: Gout, dude. Ah Yo, sakes just got raised it's one

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Speaker 1: thing to be like, oh, listen to the call map

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Speaker 1: and not shower. That's easy. Gout, girl, gout.

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Speaker 2: I don't have gout. I'm just saying you might get gout.

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Speaker 2: I don't know your medical history.

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Speaker 1: Folks, you're asking people to go get gout for dirt

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Speaker 1: boat of June. That's fucking crazy. And dirtbag June you

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Speaker 1: get gout. It's true, though, Sue. True though.

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Speaker 2: You have to get a divorce or break up with

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Speaker 2: whoever you're dating. You gotta spend dirtbag June alone, preferably.

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Speaker 2: I don't care if you get remarried in July or

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Speaker 2: like whatever, but you have to be separated from.

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Speaker 3: Your partner for all of June.

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Speaker 1: You have to start smoking, but you can onlyys smoke

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Speaker 1: basic one twenties. Oh damn, how about that.

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Speaker 3: That's real dirtbag territory.

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Speaker 1: Now you've got hot, the wheels are turning. What else

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Speaker 1: could we do now that you put gout on the table.

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Speaker 1: That is hot dirt bag territory. Well, now the gout's

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Speaker 2: Also, it's gonna be the opposite of dry January, and

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Speaker 2: you're just going to You're gonna drink anytime somebody hurts

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Speaker 2: your feelings. Anytime you get upset on the internet, you're

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Speaker 2: just gonna drink a little bit every time you just

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Speaker 2: feel like the world is beating you down. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: if you're not, if you don't drink alcohol, because you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't drink a lot of alcohol and I really

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Speaker 2: don't drink at home at all. But if you don't

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Speaker 2: drink alcohol, again, die coke is there for you. Take

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Speaker 2: a shot, You'll be hopped up on caffeine. We just

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Speaker 2: want you to be like, not hormonally stable during dirt

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Speaker 2: Bag January. So either do that with alcohol or diet coke,

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Speaker 2: or like your drink of choice. But you either have

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Speaker 2: to raise the sugar real high or raise the alcohol.

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Speaker 3: Real high for dirt Bag January.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe you can get those extremely expensive sodas delivered

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Speaker 1: to your house, the ones that you suggested, the forty

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you I was not doing that for

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Speaker 2: any kind of promo or advertising.

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Speaker 3: I genuinely love Spraggers soda.

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Speaker 2: And they reached out because somebody tagged them in a

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Speaker 2: comment on Instagram and they were like, did they mention

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Speaker 2: us on the podcast? And I was like, so, I

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Speaker 2: wrote back and I'm like, oh yeah, Like we talked

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Speaker 2: love the soda, and I was just telling Millie that's

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Speaker 2: the best soda in the in the country. And they're like, well,

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Speaker 2: let us send you a case. And they sent me

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Speaker 2: a Casa SODA's what about.

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Speaker 1: Me, I've never even tried it.

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Speaker 3: You didn't send me what you don't call no more spraguers.

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Speaker 1: What the fuck? Here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: They sent me a case of soda. So I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: send you some of their sodas.

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Speaker 1: Look, you know me.

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Speaker 2: Look, I know you don't like to give people your

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Speaker 2: government name. I'm not about to give them your address.

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Speaker 2: So I was like, you.

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Speaker 3: Send it to me and I will send it to Mellie.

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Speaker 1: Look, because I'm gonna pluck out. Don't send it to

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Speaker 1: the Pao box because our Peo box is I won't

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Speaker 1: even it was it's overflowing. Well yes, And when I

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Speaker 1: was like four yellow slips in there being like, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna stop putting mail in here. And you know what though,

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Speaker 1: it's not because I mean, listen, we do get a

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Speaker 1: lot of mail, which is awesome, but also like all

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Speaker 1: of the previous po box tenants are getting so much

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Speaker 1: fucking mail that I'm like, could you not put their

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Speaker 2: Like exactly, Maybe look at the name, maybe check the name.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm like, Yo, there's there's a guy. I

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Speaker 1: think his name is Nabby. I think it's Knobby and

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Speaker 1: he gets the craziest, biggest envelopes. I think they're from

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Speaker 1: But it's like he's getting humongous packets of things, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, Sky doesn't live here. Can you fucking

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Speaker 2: He eat this too?

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Speaker 1: It looks like it's stapled pages. This isn't affid David.

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Speaker 1: Can you give this to this car please? This is

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Speaker 1: when you refuse to participate in dirt back June, Nabby,

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Speaker 1: and you're being.

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Speaker 3: Sued a oh, that is also a big part of

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Speaker 3: dirt beg June. Is you have to fight someone?

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Speaker 2: Ah, you have to just just start a fight with somebody.

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Speaker 2: I don't care if you're smoking a basic one hundred

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Speaker 1: Yo, were you were you at my house? Was it

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Speaker 1: when you were here in Atlanta when we were talking

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Speaker 1: about like the best high school fights we'd ever seen?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: No, were you down here? Okay? I don't know who

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Speaker 1: I was talking to, but I gotten this conversation recently

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Speaker 1: about the best fight we saw in high school.

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Speaker 2: I want your high school fight stories. Can we request that?

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Speaker 2: Let's not because it could get into legal territory.

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Speaker 1: No. I was about to say, we are always inciting

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Speaker 1: violence and disgusting habits. Gout. Apparently we're inciting gouts.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna call it right now and say we do

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Speaker 2: dirt bag January through June.

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Speaker 3: Dirt bag half year. Take the challenge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, dirtbag first and second quarter of twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Also dirt Bag June. You have to toss an unexpected

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Speaker 2: animal at somebody, Like grab a seagull from the sky

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Speaker 2: and just toss it into somebody's car while they're driving by.

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Speaker 1: Yo, I would put a possum in there, put a place,

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Speaker 1: a place, A possum in a.

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Speaker 2: Car, A raccoon. A raccoon in a car will fucking

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Speaker 2: drive that thing away.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 3: Raccoons don't mess. Yeah, but yeah, well.

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Speaker 1: That's so good. Get this on paper and we'll mail

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Speaker 1: it to ourselves. That way, it's a legally binding document

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Speaker 1: and we're we've got our own thing now. Now we

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Speaker 1: don't have to do all the other crap. We don't

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Speaker 1: have to do Movember. No, is that what it's called November?

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Speaker 1: Mustache November?

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Speaker 3: It doesn't even make sense.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of lazy.

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Speaker 3: And here here's the other thing.

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Speaker 2: Like I know, all of these things tend to they

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Speaker 2: tend to originate from place of good intention, where someone's like,

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Speaker 2: let's grow mustaches so that we can support muscular dystrophe

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Speaker 2: or something like it. All right, but then it gets

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Speaker 1: How the fuck does this get so convoluted? Are we

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Speaker 1: You're like, how does the tha that makes sense?

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Speaker 1: I love coming up with business ideas or or such nonsense.

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Speaker 2: God, of course not. I I finished my uber list.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So this is a concept created by Nicole Lore

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Speaker 1: Just get a doorbell, because I don't have one, and I.

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Speaker 2: She's a fantastic person. And I do this list every

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Speaker 1: Okay, Now, I love whenever we bring up the uber list.

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Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, I shake it up every year. Number one

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Speaker 1: Okay, so have you what what's the vibe? Did you

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Speaker 2: Well, I limit it to five people. And for me,

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Speaker 3: So and sometimes sort of people I truly can't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the goal. I never show anyone the list.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. You know, I had thought about this tradition

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well I won't go into I won't go

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Speaker 3: To your list of enemies. Yeah, because I'm sure.

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Speaker 2: It feels shitty to be like I don't like this person,

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Speaker 2: You know. That's the beauty of the list is you

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Speaker 3: And it has. It's helped me tremendously.

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Speaker 2: I'm incredibly happy and successful.

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Speaker 1: This is everything I've ever wanted. Get to know us,

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Speaker 1: get a load of us. Do you want to get

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Speaker 2: Of course I do, because I thought of it and

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Speaker 1: You did fucking think of it, and I was like

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Speaker 2: And it was the first thing that came out of

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Speaker 3: Well fucking tell them what it is to had that.

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Speaker 2: happy birthday? Yes, Casey is a smooth seventy five years old, doesn't.

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Speaker 1: To day over. I'm kidding.

439
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 2: Casey's a very wonderful and lovely young man, and we

440
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,919
Speaker 2: adore him as a person and as a producer. And

441
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 2: I don't think I don't know what our lives would

442
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 2: be without Casey, and I don't want to try.

443
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 3: I don't even want to imagine it.

444
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: Don't don't make it happen. It'll like we're we love

445
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,400
Speaker 1: him so much, we don't want him to go away,

446
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 1: we don't even want to and like talk about it

447
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,199
Speaker 1: to jinx it you know what I mean.

448
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Speaker 3: No, I'm knocking on wood.

449
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, I will actively like, I'm I will sabotage

450
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 2: his career if it means he gets to stay with us. Yeah,

451
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 2: well I thought that he just said, we're so sweet?

452
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:53,640
Speaker 2: Did you hear the part where I said I will

453
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 2: sabotage your career if it means.

454
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Speaker 1: You get to say?

455
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Speaker 2: Oh, I would never And you know this, I don't

456
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 2: love a lot of men. I don't even like a

457
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 2: lot of men. And Casey is I would do anything

458
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,679
Speaker 2: for Casey. He's the greatest dude, yeah alive, just so sweet,

459
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 2: so funny, so smart.

460
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: He's the finest male Capricorn I know. So there you go.

461
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 3: Put it on a T shirt.

462
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 2: But please send him happy birthday wishes on our social

463
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 2: media or in our email. We truly like the mechanics

464
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 2: of this podcast. Do not work without him, so absolutely grate.

465
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 2: So it's now we're gonna talk about banging to the oldies.

466
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Speaker 1: Right, talk about old people. Who fuck? Why would I

467
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 1: ask you this because you know, I think it's interesting

468
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 1: that we both brought movies to the table where the

469
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 1: lady is old and the man is young. Hell yeah,

470
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Speaker 1: so okay, And I meant to look this up before

471
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: we started the episode of the origin of the term

472
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: May December romance, do.

473
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Speaker 2: You know, Well, yeah, I didn't look that up either,

474
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 2: because I'm awesome at this.

475
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 1: Well, somebody will tell us, I'm sure in our comments

476
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: on Instagram.

477
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 3: Please do, please do.

478
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't know. These are two fucking

479
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: classics of that genre of the May December romance of

480
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: the older lady younger man. Your film is so it's

481
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 1: such a feel good for me. I mean it is

482
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: like every time I watch it, I just love it.

483
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: I love it without feeling dorky about it. I just

484
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: love it purely. And I am like, I don't know,

485
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: I was so glad to have to watch it for

486
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: the podcast. I see I see it a lot, like

487
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 1: you know, every couple of years. But I'm also like,

488
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 1: every time I see it it's so charming.

489
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 2: It's truly one of those films that's like I feel

490
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 2: like it's in DNA. Yeah, Like, I just love it,

491
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 2: and I've loved it from the moment I saw it,

492
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: and I just have such reverence and just a real

493
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: tenderness for my movie and your movie as well. Like

494
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 2: I've seen your movie a couple of times, and I

495
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 2: think it is absolutely fascinating, like the time it takes

496
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 2: place in the people that are involved, Like it is

497
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 2: a really subtle and stunning.

498
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 3: Film that I'm always happy to watch again.

499
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Speaker 1: Awesome, I'm really glad I have a lot to say

500
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: about it. So I'm really excited to get into it.

501
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: And we're you're going first this week. Oh my god,

502
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: so I am. Well, let's get into it, bang into

503
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: the oldies. My film was released in nineteen seventy one.

504
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 1: It was written by Colin Higgins and directed by Hal Ashby.

505
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Speaker 3: My movie is Harold and maun Oh Harold.

506
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 2: Everyone has the right to make an ass of themselves.

507
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 3: Let the world judge you too much.

508
00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 2: I have so much say about this movie. I'm gonna

509
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 2: try to keep it a little bit condensed. The people

510
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 2: involved with this film are fantastic and have all had

511
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 2: stunning and sterling careers.

512
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 3: But I think it's important for.

513
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: People to know that this movie was a flop when

514
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: it first came out. It wasn't profitable until nineteen eighty three,

515
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 2: twelve entire years later after it was released, and it

516
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: was primarily because it became a cult favorite thanks to

517
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: like repertory theaters and revival houses who would play the

518
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 2: film constantly that it became a cult classic, and that's

519
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,479
Speaker 2: what helped the film survive. And I think also the

520
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 2: release of like home videos and video release also helped

521
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: a lot, because that's how I first saw it.

522
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 3: It's like there was always somebody.

523
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: Who had a copy of Harold and Maud and was like,

524
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: you have to see this, And a lot of teenagers

525
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 2: were introduced to this film from my era, from our

526
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 2: era in that way. So this is again a perfect

527
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: example of a film that we may never have seen

528
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 2: if it weren't for the enthusiasm of people who loved it,

529
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 2: and you kind of kept it alive and now it's

530
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 2: you know, now it's it was selected for preservation by

531
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: the National Film Registry in nineteen ninety seven. It's like

532
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: on the AFI's one hundred funniest movies, and you know,

533
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 2: it's been turned into a novel and a play and

534
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 2: like it's just a hugely popular film.

535
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, I would say yep.

536
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 3: But this also what's.

537
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Speaker 2: Interesting about the fact that it became such a popular

538
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,959
Speaker 2: film is that the screenwriter, Colin Higgins wrote started writing

539
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 2: this movie as part of his master's thesis at UCLA.

540
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Speaker 3: H I am so impressed by people who did that.

541
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 2: So did the person who wrote the woman who wrote

542
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: Mermaids right, like it was part of her the book

543
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: was part of her master's thesis. I'm impressed by anyone

544
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: who comes out of a grad school program with like

545
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 2: producible work.

546
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: Good for him.

547
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: Yes, it's incredible, and he wasn't you know. Higgins also

548
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 2: thought he was going to direct the film, but once

549
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: he sold it, and the story of him actually selling

550
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: it was really funny because he was like a pool

551
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 2: boy who worked for somebody, and like somebody's wife read

552
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 2: it and liked it and passed it on to her husband,

553
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 2: who happened to work and it was just like a

554
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 2: very seventies, like sixty seventies story of like how films

555
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: came to be made. Sometimes but when hal Ashby was

556
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 2: brought on, he made the decision to include Higgins as

557
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 2: like a co director so that he could learn the business,

558
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: because part of the reason he wasn't allowed to direct

559
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 2: the movie is that he didn't have any experience. And

560
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: this all comes from Wikipedia. So if you're like Colin

561
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: Higgins's granddaughter or something and you have a different version,

562
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: just tell me.

563
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 3: We will correct.

564
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: And hal Ashby, by the way, is an incredibly prolific director.

565
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 2: I find him so interesting in the things that he

566
00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: chose to work on. And I'm especially and really interested

567
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: in the fact that a lot of his movies kind

568
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: of languished in legal issues, like behind the scenes legal issues.

569
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: But so the things that he was able to produce

570
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: were so wonderful that it makes me wonder like, well,

571
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: what would have happened if he had been able to,

572
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: you know, actually make these other movies that he was

573
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: attached to. One of my other all time favorite movies

574
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: being there is a hal Ashby joint the Last Detail

575
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: Shampoo Coming Home.

576
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: I mean, he just.

577
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 2: Really has a lot of movies that are very different

578
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: from each other as part of his repertoire, which I

579
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: think is and they're all a little bit weird.

580
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: The Landlord if you've never seen The Landlord, that movie. Like,

581
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: every time I think about hal Ashby, I think I

582
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: think of him as being kind of this like counterculture guy.

583
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he was kind of looked like a hippie.

584
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: He was like kind of had like a bohemian lifestyle.

585
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: I know there's that documentary about him that came out,

586
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: Like I don't know when that came out, if either

587
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: came out a few years ago or like a decade ago,

588
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: I don't remember, but yeah, I mean, and he's actually

589
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: in the movie at one point. He's like in the

590
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: I guess they're at a carnival or something like that,

591
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, you catch a glimpse of him,

592
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my god, that dude's got the

593
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: longest hair and a huge beard and those like David

594
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: Kureshi glasses, and I'm like, he was like a hip dude.

595
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: He was like the original hipster dude basically.

596
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 2: He and he knew that he was kind of out

597
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 2: of sync with his counterparts because he he kind of

598
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,479
Speaker 2: grew he grew up in Utah, this in this Mormon family,

599
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: and he was married five times in his life, but

600
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 2: he was his first divorce happened by the time he

601
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: was nineteen years old. So he but he's a high

602
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,959
Speaker 2: school dropout, and so he would like lie about his

603
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 2: age and lie about his credentials so we could get

604
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 2: work and get like. He knew that he wasn't in

605
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: the same league because he was kind of a little

606
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 2: bit of an outsider.

607
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 3: But he's like, I'm gonna do it anyway.

608
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna lie about what I what. I'm gonna

609
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: lie about what it looks like on paper, so you'll

610
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: accept me, and then I'm gonna go and be weird.

611
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 2: But he's, yeah, that documentary is very interesting. His movies

612
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: are incredibly interesting, and he unfortunately died very young.

613
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 3: He was fifty nine years old. He died of pancreatic cancer.

614
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: So again I keep thinking about like what could have

615
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: been or what you know, the movies that he wasn't

616
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: able to make while he was alive, and you know,

617
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: if he'd been able to push those through, we'd have

618
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: even more hal Ashby to watch now that he's unfortunately gone.

619
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, so he wrote, he happened to direct one

620
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 2: of my favorite movies of all time, Harold and Maud. Now,

621
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 2: when we think of the cast of this film, it's

622
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: a limited cast. There's not a lot of people in it,

623
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 2: but they're all like heroically good in the roles that

624
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: they play. So Bud Court, who plays Harold, was definitely

625
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: an up and coming, Like he had a budding career

626
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: before Harold and Maud. He'd been in a couple of

627
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: big budget films, but he almost died in a car

628
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: accident in nineteen seventy nine, and the cost of the

629
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 2: recovery and the surgeries and the court cases kind of

630
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: derailed his career for a little bit. He still worked,

631
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: but he didn't have that like. Plus, this movie wasn't

632
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 2: really a big hit until twelve years after it came out,

633
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: So he still worked, but he didn't have like the

634
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: thriving career that I think he could have had had

635
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: he not been in this near fatal accident. And Ruth Gordon,

636
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 2: who plays Mad, is an acclaim star of stage and screen,

637
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 2: but she's also was really prolific in her own right,

638
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: Like she wrote a lot of books and plays and

639
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: film scripts. And both actors were nominated for Best Actor

640
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 2: and Actress at the Golden Globes, which I thought was

641
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: really sweet.

642
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: That is sweet. Yeah, I had to look her up

643
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: when I mean, I know who she is obviously, I mean,

644
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: but I was like asking Siri, like, how old was

645
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: Ruth Gordon when she made this movie? And she was

646
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: seventy five? That age? She was that age, So.

647
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: She was seventy five, so she was really like walking

648
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: the walk and talk and talking to talk and also

649
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 2: high five to them for actually casting a seventy five

650
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: year old.

651
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I because you know, obviously like she she's

652
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: so iconic and Rosemary's Baby and you know that came

653
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: out only a few years before this movie, and for

654
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: some reason, I was like, she's got to be in

655
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: her fifties in that movie. I don't know what I thought.

656
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because of the outfits or something.

657
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: I just thought, Okay, she seems younger in Rosemary's Baby,

658
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: even though this movie came out like what three years after. Yeah,

659
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: and she's seventy five, And I was like, what how

660
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: that happened?

661
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 2: And she's just she's so wonderful and I feel like

662
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: this role is very It was wonderful that she got

663
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: to play such a life affirming role in her later

664
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 2: years and I think that she kind of had that

665
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: spirit where, you know, she did a lot of benefit

666
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 2: things and she would she just I don't know, like

667
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: her husband talked about her after she passed away, and

668
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: it just seemed like she was not like as extreme

669
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: as Maud, but she was really full of life. And

670
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 2: so I think that she's it's worth it to check

671
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: out her books and her plays and her other movies

672
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: because she's just phenomenal. Other important part of this film,

673
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 2: and then I promise I'm gonna get to the one

674
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 2: sentence synopsis. The other important part of this film, and

675
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: possibly the most memorable.

676
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 3: Part of this film, is that The Cat The Cat.

677
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 2: The soundtrack was completely done by Cat Stevens Yusef Islam

678
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 2: because he has converted since he released these songs. This

679
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 2: soundtrack is like was revolutionary in my life as a

680
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: young person. I don't know, well, some people grew up

681
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: with their parents seeing Cat Stevens in the car and

682
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: that was not like my mom was like disco Donna summer,

683
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: like yeah all the way, So that was not the vibe.

684
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: So when I first heard Cat Stevens, it was in

685
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 2: this film, Yeah, and it just there's something so gentle

686
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 2: about his music and the emotion of his music that

687
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: fits this movie perfectly because a lot of these songs

688
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: were taken from like previously released records, so they weren't

689
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: necessarily made for the movie. I think there were there

690
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: were a lot of like a lot of his songs

691
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: were turned into like down tempo songs for the movie,

692
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 2: but they were pulled from other records. So it really

693
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 2: gave me a lot to dig into as a kid.

694
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: And again, like he's he's converted and his name is

695
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 2: Yusuf Islam. He still plays music, but not these songs,

696
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: and I just find him really interesting.

697
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's very like gentle, soothing, like you said, like

698
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 1: just beautiful that Oh my god, what is my favorite

699
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: song of his? That is so epic, Lady Darbinville, have

700
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: you heard that song? It's like this crazy like love

701
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: song and it just is very like, I don't know,

702
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: Renaissance festival esque to me, where it's like you'll have

703
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: to you'll have to hear it, but when you listen

704
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: to it, you'll be like, oh, this is like this

705
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: is like some fucking epic like medieval love song. Shit

706
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: like this is the arrangement is super like all over

707
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: the place. And I don't know. I love it, lady,

708
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: do you bring me? So it's high drama. Let's just

709
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: say that it is some loot rock.

710
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 3: It is loot rock. You didn't think it was possible.

711
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 3: You didn't think it was possible, but there it is.

712
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: Also, I gotta say, and I didn't know this until

713
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: I looked it up. Colin Higgins originally wanted Elton John

714
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 2: to not only be in the movie, but do the

715
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: full soundtrack.

716
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 3: Can you imagine this movie with Elton John songs?

717
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: Oh? I know, I like Elton John too, Nuncle Ie seventies.

718
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: Elton John's fucking awesome. I can't imagine him being in

719
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: the movie though it was the supposed to have been Harold.

720
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: Is that what the I think he was?

721
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 3: He's like, I just want him in here as Harold,

722
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 3: Like I think he's supposed to be Harold, then maybe

723
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: the uncle. And then he wanted him to do the

724
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 3: whole soundtrack.

725
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 2: Wow, And I'm like, I love Elton John, but I

726
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: can't imagine it for this movie.

727
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't imagine. And now you're just like, I

728
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: can't imagine anybody but Bud Court being Harold.

729
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: So that's interesting at all at all, So we're gonna

730
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: get to the the meat of this the actual movie,

731
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 2: the nutmeat.

732
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: Speaking of food, speaking of food, and the and the

733
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: cast list. I love. There's two actors in this movie

734
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: that have the greatest names ever, one of whom is

735
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: named Eric Christmas. Yes, and the other is named Vivian Pickles.

736
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: Vivian Fickles plays Harold's mom and it is the most

737
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: deep horrific name I've ever heard. And Eric Christmas plays

738
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 2: a priest, like it just not get more perfectly cast.

739
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: Eric Christmas and Vivian Pickles. That's fucking amazing. What a

740
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: couple of names.

741
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: Anyway, I feel like, without having looked it up at all,

742
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: I feel like those are the kind of stage names

743
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: you pick when you're like a little bit sauced.

744
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: You're like, I'm Vivian, back out, hey, Eric Christmas.

745
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 2: Name, or like when you're on the run and somebody

746
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: asks you your name Eric Eric?

747
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 5: What?

748
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: Eric Christmas? No disrespect to the Christmas family. We just

749
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 1: love the name so much. We can't help we can't

750
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: help it. I love it.

751
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 2: I love it so much so this movie one sentence synopsis.

752
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 2: A death obsessed young man meets a life obsessed septagenarian

753
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 2: who proceeds to rock his world perfect Now at the

754
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: thrust of this film, the whole plot of this film,

755
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 2: and we are going to be talking about suicide or

756
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: staged suicide. So if that is something that makes you

757
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: want to turn it off, now's a good point to

758
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: turn off the podcast. Because Harold's thing in general is

759
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: he likes to pretend he's killing himself. I should not

760
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: be laughing already, but he likes to pretend he's killing himself.

761
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 3: So the first scene in.

762
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: This movie, it's a very ceremonial hanging while his mother

763
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 2: comes in and makes a phone call. And the fact

764
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: that she ignores him while he's hanging there is how

765
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: you know this is.

766
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 3: Going to be a very different kind of movie.

767
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 2: And he's just kind of hanging there laughing, and she says, oh,

768
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: I suppose you think this is very funny, Harold, And

769
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: she does that a lot. She says that a lot.

770
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 2: But what's being set up here is this premise that

771
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 2: nobody in Harold's life understands him or gets him. He

772
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 2: lives in this very moneyed, lavish world. His father is dead.

773
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 2: We don't understand what he did, but he left this big,

774
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 2: you know house, and the mom is like very like

775
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 2: like she swans around and doesn't have much to do

776
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 2: and kind of like, you know, she's just kind of

777
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: like one of those kept women, like very high class,

778
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: kept kept women who really her only counterpart in this

779
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 2: film that's her age is Harold's uncle, who's a former

780
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 2: former military man who lost his arm in the service.

781
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: He said total like speaking of being there, he's a

782
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: total like Peter Seller's type. He's got this you know,

783
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: like really overblown like military guy.

784
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: Thing.

785
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: It's hilarious.

786
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: So he's so intense about like the military is what's

787
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 2: gonna get your life straight and you got to do it.

788
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 2: And they're both really fed up with him, like his

789
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 2: mom originally sends him to a psychiatrist, and at the

790
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 2: beginning of the film, after the hanging doesn't work, so

791
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: he pretends that he's like cut himself up in her

792
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 2: bathroom and there's just like blood splattered everywhere, and she's like,

793
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 2: I can't live like this anymore, so she sends them

794
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 2: to a psychiatrist. He reveals that he has staged over

795
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 2: fifteen suicides, and over the course of the film you

796
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: learn why he started to do that. I don't want

797
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 2: to spoil that for anyone who hasn't seen it, but

798
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: it comes from a very tender place of somebody who

799
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 2: just doesn't.

800
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 3: Fit in in the world.

801
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: And you know, the world, the world that's been that's

802
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: been presented to him, is not something that he wants

803
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 2: to engage with. So he goes to funerals for fun

804
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: and he buys an old hearse. His mom can't stand it,

805
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 2: so she scraps the hearse and gets him a Jaguar,

806
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 2: which he also turns into a hearse.

807
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 3: It's so funny.

808
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty tight customizations. I gotta say so tight.

809
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: Love that part.

810
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 2: So in tite, So he meets Maud at one of

811
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 2: these funerals and they're both there for very different reasons,

812
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 2: and they're both uninvited. So Maud is as you come

813
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: to learn more about Maud, she is a seventy nine

814
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 2: year old woman.

815
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 3: Who is just one.

816
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 2: She can't drive, but she steals cars all the time,

817
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: and at one point she steals Harold's car and she's like,

818
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 2: this is a nice ride.

819
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 3: He's like, it's mine, it's myerst.

820
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 2: But she just really lives by the seat of her

821
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: pants and doesn't spend a moment of her day being unhappy.

822
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 2: Like she just does such strange things, like she eventually

823
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 2: takes him. She lives in this old converted railroad car

824
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 2: and she brings Harold over, and she has these things

825
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: called aromatics that she's like, this is like snow in

826
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: New York City or something like she just kind of

827
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 2: does all these strange things. And when I was a

828
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 2: kid watching this movie, I'm like, that's exactly who I

829
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 2: want to be when I'm seventy.

830
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: Nine, Arsold Like her house is filled with.

831
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 3: Life and memories and weirdness, and it was all I wanted.

832
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was just like kind of like the original,

833
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 1: like quirky, artsy, you know, filled with life lady that everybody.

834
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 1: She just enchants everybody that she meets, right, Like, everybody

835
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: loves her they meet her. So why would you why

836
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: would you not want to be that? It's like such

837
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: a good such a good character.

838
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 2: Completely And then she's she's really again like she's fly

839
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 2: by the seat of her pants. She makes things up

840
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 2: as she goes, and Harold starts to hang out with her,

841
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 2: and you know, he starts to kind of do more

842
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 2: things that Maud would do instead of you know, constantly

843
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: going to funerals, and he's still pretty death obsessed. And

844
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: he is also being confronted with the fact that his mother,

845
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 2: who is super fed up with him and you know,

846
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 2: is like, you're either gonna like you have to get married.

847
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 2: It's time, like let's let you become some other woman's problem, essentially,

848
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: and she starts setting him up on these dates, and

849
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 2: every single date he has, he pretends to be totally normal,

850
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: and then he stages another suicide attempt in front of

851
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 2: the date. So in the first date, he pretends to

852
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: set himself on fire in the yard, and the second date,

853
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 2: he like casually cuts his hand off with a cleaver.

854
00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 2: It's that kind of shit, Like he's like, yeah, you

855
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: can set me up.

856
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: It's so great. I know. I was like that girl

857
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: like freaks out and I'm like, actually, that's a marriage

858
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: proposal for me. Ah, don't you be cutting off that

859
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: hand if you don't want to marry this woman right here,

860
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,919
Speaker 1: because I'm ready boo, I'm ready.

861
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 3: Don't you be cutting off that hand if you're not.

862
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: Don't let your severed hand write a check that your

863
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 2: proposed hand can't cat.

864
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 1: Oh good.

865
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: But he's like yeah, he's like, you can set me

866
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 2: up all you want, but it's gonna go like this

867
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 2: every time. And in the meantime, he's hanging out with

868
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 2: mad and having an absolute blast. She also tries to

869
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: send him into the military, and he's like, she's like,

870
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 2: I'm talking to your uncle. You're going to the military.

871
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,959
Speaker 2: So he conspires with Maud to trick the uncle into

872
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 2: thinking that he's murdered her so that like he's just

873
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: gone crazy, so that he won't even mentioned being put

874
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 2: in the military again. So what's developing is like a

875
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 2: very tender and sweet friendship, and you know, they're having

876
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 2: these more and more tender moments. There's this one scene

877
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 2: where they're holding hands or sitting down outside and it's

878
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 2: like this bright sunny day and he kind of grabs

879
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 2: her hand to hold it, and he notices her tattoo.

880
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: And it's never mentioned, it's never discussed, but it's clear

881
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 2: that she is a survivor of the Holocaust, And I

882
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: think that does something to Harold in realizing like, oh,

883
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 2: there's potentially a much bigger reason behind you know, why

884
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 2: this woman jumps at life and leaps it life so

885
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: so vigorously. And I think it's meant for the audience

886
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 2: to understand that as well. She does talk about her

887
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 2: husband and like kind of her her former life leading

888
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: up to this. But that's the moment that I always think, oh,

889
00:45:55,560 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: like this is why you know, she's been through unimaginable horror,

890
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: so of course every day is a gift when when

891
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: you've been through something like that.

892
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it kind of grounds her behavior is

893
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: a weird in a weird way because it's like just

894
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: speaking truly like character study wise. You know, you're like, oh,

895
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: here's this like wacky lady who's just doing all these

896
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: wacky things like stealing cars and running up on sidewalks

897
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: and like doing all this stuff. And you're like, I

898
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: don't know, is it is this just some free wheel

899
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: and hippie. Is she on drugs? Is she you know, sundowning?

900
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: Like what could it be? But it's like the thing

901
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: that that moment does is that it's like a reminder

902
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: of like why she is the way she is, and

903
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: it's like, well, of course, like then it becomes like

904
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: really important to the story because you're like, well, now,

905
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: like this is coming from a place of pain and suffering,

906
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: so it's like, okay, like it just kind of reinforces

907
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: the message of living your life right. It's absolutely good.

908
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a beautiful it's a beautiful and again subtle moment.

909
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: But you know then then that becomes even more punctuated

910
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: what you're saying about, you know, kind of grounding this

911
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 2: character becomes more punctuated as the movie goes on, because

912
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 2: you realize there is a much bigger reason why mad

913
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 2: is also acting so outrageously.

914
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 5: Prior to that, though, Harold and Maud get down and

915
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 5: they have this beautiful night at the carnival on the

916
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 5: fer and he gives her a gift that she immediately

917
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 5: throws into the ocean, and she's like, oh, so that

918
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 5: I'll always know where it is.

919
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 3: Like she's one of those she.

920
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: Just has so many wonderful lines in this film, and

921
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 2: then you don't see them bone but you know, you

922
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 2: get Harold waking up next to her in bed, blowing

923
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: bubbles and he has no short happier, no short on.

924
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, never looked happier. Okay. I want to ask you, like,

925
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: if you can remember the first time when you saw

926
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: this movie, how did you feel when that happened?

927
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 3: It was very surprising.

928
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: I did not know they were going to take it

929
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 2: in that direction, and I wasn't grossed out or anything.

930
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 3: I was just like, oh wow.

931
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did not realize that this was developing into

932
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: a romance because I've never seen anything like this before.

933
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was shocked too. I mean and again like

934
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: divorced from Like, I didn't feel like it was gross,

935
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: but it was like a moment where you were just like, oh,

936
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: like they actually had sex. Like It's like I thought

937
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: they were just gonna be sitting on the rock holding

938
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: the hands. They actually fucked. And then I mean, you know,

939
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: you don't see the pumps. Of course you don't see

940
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: the pumps, but you just start like like and then

941
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: you do see like Harold with no shirt on, and

942
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: he's just like it is like Polis sex Haze, and

943
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh Dane, like, oh dang, they.

944
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 3: Bliss the fuck out and she's asleep.

945
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 2: And I think when I love about it is that

946
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: it's so it wasn't on my radar because at that

947
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 2: point in my life, they never showed older women as

948
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 2: they've shown. They showed them as being sexy but not sexual,

949
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 2: if that.

950
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 3: Makes any sense.

951
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 2: So it was like, oh, Sophie Lurana is so hot,

952
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 2: and I'm like, but there's she's never in a movie

953
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: like boning or like getting down with somebody like younger

954
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: or whatever, like sexy but not sexual. So I think

955
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: it was a real turning point to even consider that

956
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 2: that was possible.

957
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, And plus, I mean I gotta say, like I'm

958
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: looking at this from like of course now where you

959
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: know a quote unquote old lady is like fifty five,

960
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: maybe fifty eight. I'm looking at this through like a

961
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 1: modern lens, which is like an old lady quote unquote

962
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 1: in a movie is fifty five, right, sixty Ruth Gordon

963
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: is seventy five in this movie. I think that's fucking incredible.

964
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: Like I'm just like, yo, Like, it's not as if

965
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: like she's not Catherine Zena Jones as someone's grandma. She's

966
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: a seventy five year old woman and she had and

967
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: of course this is the seventies where everybody had their

968
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: natural teeth and shit, So it's like that thing where

969
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, like this is an actual older person,

970
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: and it's kind of amazing.

971
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: It truly was revolutionary, Yeah, truly revolutionary.

972
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 3: And it wasn't done for laughs. And it wasn't done for.

973
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 2: Like again, like you said, there's no pumps, so it

974
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 2: wasn't done for just the novelty of it. Yeah, you know,

975
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 2: it's a crucial part of the story, and it's a

976
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 2: crucial part of the growth of.

977
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 3: At least one of these characters. So yeah, I completely agree.

978
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: Like her being actually seventy five and looking actually seventy

979
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 2: five in this movie.

980
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 3: And still getting down it was yeah, awesome.

981
00:50:58,840 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: Rate.

982
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 2: So Harold is like, cool, you want me to get married? Mom,

983
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 2: I am getting married to fucking Maud. And then all

984
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 2: hell breaks loose when Maud reveals to him something. Let's

985
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 2: say it's a birthday gift that she's given to herself.

986
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 2: And there is one scene where Harold is kind of

987
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 2: upset and after this, you know, Carold's upset and he's

988
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 2: saying he says, I love you, and she says, oh,

989
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 2: that's wonderful, go out and love some more.

990
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 3: And I start crying at that point.

991
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 2: I don't stop until the movie's over, ya, Like, until

992
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 2: the movie is over. It is such a beautiful and

993
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 2: life affirming film, which is a strange thing to say

994
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 2: about a film that features a character who is so

995
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 2: obsessed with death. But also in the way that I

996
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 2: think a lot of modern movies are made to kind

997
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 2: of like have women as the bystanders that teach men

998
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 2: a lesson. This movie didn't feel like that. Like Ruth

999
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 2: is sorry not Ruth. Maud is a very Mad is

1000
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 2: a very well thought out and lively character. She has

1001
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 2: a full narrative, she has a full arc, and she

1002
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 2: has a lot of agency. So even though Harold does

1003
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 2: learn things about himself as a just by province of

1004
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: being in her orbit, that wasn't the whole purpose of

1005
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 2: the character was like, I'm going to teach this young

1006
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 2: guy about life. So I think that part of the

1007
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 2: reason it makes me so happy at the end, even

1008
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 2: though I'm always crying is that he has figured out

1009
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 2: a balance by having Mad in his life.

1010
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: It's such a great movie. Like there are so many

1011
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: things that I even noticed about it watching it this week,

1012
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: Like she feeds birds. I mean that just made me

1013
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: so emotional. Oh my god. You know, I was like, oh,

1014
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: she puts the bird seed in that little sling shot,

1015
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: and I was like shooting bird seed everywhere. But she's

1016
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: so tender, and you know, I mean, you know, part

1017
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: of what I love about this movie is that it

1018
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: does feel like it's part it is a counterculture movie

1019
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: to me, because it does feel like I mean, I

1020
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: think it's because of hal Ashby the director, but also

1021
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 1: the era that it was made in, which is that

1022
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:11,240
Speaker 1: you know, we're talking about people who are out casts,

1023
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: you know, and the people that don't get understood by

1024
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: people who are his mom, rich socialite types, his uncle,

1025
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: weird military types, you know, obviously Vietnam h yes. So

1026
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know, it's it's just the ultimate

1027
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: story about two misfits who find each other. It's timeless,

1028
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: it's beautiful. I mean to me, like, you don't have

1029
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: a movie like Wes Anderson's Rushmore if this doesn't exist,

1030
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: you just don't have like so many things because of

1031
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: this movie. And I mean honestly, like every time I

1032
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: look at Harold, I'm like that there are a hundred

1033
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: guys right now that look like that, Like there are

1034
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: a hundred guys whearing those like pinstripey bell bottomed trousers.

1035
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: I was like, fucking Harry Style else is out there

1036
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: trying to ape this guy's look, Like, give me a break.

1037
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: He's iconic. He's iconic, and so is she.

1038
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 3: The Strokes don't exist without this movie.

1039
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:15,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. The others Cocker, I hate to say, Jarvis

1040
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: Cocker absolutely does not exist without this movie. Yeah. Have

1041
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: you seen the cover of Further Complication. It's like, oh,

1042
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: we got a tall, skinny guy and a fur coat,

1043
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: come on.

1044
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 3: With bell bottoms on, let's do this.

1045
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1046
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 3: But it's a perennial favorite.

1047
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 2: It is absolutely in my top five movies of all time.

1048
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 2: I love watching it. I love the feeling this movie

1049
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 2: gives me. And I cannot stress enough how funny it is,

1050
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 2: even though it's dealing with such intense like such an

1051
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 2: intense narrative, it is so funny. It is deeply well written.

1052
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: But it's also so funny because of the acting, like

1053
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 2: Budcourt just gives certain looks and kind of does certain movements,

1054
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 2: and it's just genuinely hilarious. And I think every I

1055
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 2: still think every teenager should see this movie, especially if

1056
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 2: you feel like a weirdo or an outcast. It was

1057
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 2: crucial that this film was introduced to me at the

1058
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 2: time that it was introduced to me. I don't know

1059
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 2: if I saw it now, I would still like it now,

1060
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 2: But I don't know if it would be as impactful

1061
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 2: if I saw it as a forty five year old, definitely.

1062
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: I asked my sister tonight. I was like, do you

1063
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: think Henry's too young to watch Harold Maud. She's like,

1064
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: he's seven. I don't really know if he if we

1065
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: should be watching, if he should be watching a guy

1066
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 1: put him gun to his head to fake his own death.

1067
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I know heard seven, like calm

1068
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: down on the cool ant YEA perfect for the theme obviously,

1069
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 1: And as I watch it again, oh my god, my movie,

1070
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: so my movie for the theme. Bang Into the Oldies

1071
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: is a movie from nineteen seventy four. It has written

1072
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: and directed by Rainier Werner Fassbender, and it's called Ali

1073
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: Fear Eats the Soul.

1074
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 2: Assistant Hardy Nick Schlift, Feel the Duncan in kop.

1075
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: So look, not gonna lie. I'm bringing a big gun

1076
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 1: to the table this week, Okay. Like it's a it's

1077
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: like a big world cinema staple film school film. I

1078
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: think it's a masterpiece. That's just me. But also like

1079
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: it's probably on the site and sound list of the

1080
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: top one hundred best movies on Planet Earth or whatever

1081
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 1: that list was from a few months ago. I I

1082
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: have I think I've brought this director up, Fastbender. I

1083
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Speaker 1: think I've brought him up as like a joke many

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00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 1: times in previous episodes, but I feel like this might

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00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: be the first time we're actually talking about one of

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Speaker 1: his movies. So yeah, I will say, I'm gonna I'm

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00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 1: not gonna actually like go through his biography because it

1088
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: is wild as fuck. There's so many things, and considering

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00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: that he died in his late thirties, the guy lived

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00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: so much life in that short period of time. So

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Speaker 1: your homework is to go read about it, just even

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00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: if you just go to Wikipedia like yo, like like

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00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: the stories of the boyfriends and crashing the Lamborghinis and

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00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: he just kept buying more Lamborghinis like it's it's it's

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00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: totally insane. You got to look it up. But he's

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00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: a fascinating person, Fastpender. And he was a very prolific

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00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: director in this like short period of time that he

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00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: was alive. He was a queer man. He made very

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Speaker 1: political art and it has intrigued me ever since I

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Speaker 1: discovered him. In college, I took this undergrad class about

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00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: New German cinema, which is essentially like the period of

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00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: German filmmaking, like the seventies and eighties, like then vendors

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00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: and you know, and it was like this was the example,

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Speaker 1: This was like the shining example of the era of

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00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: his filmography. And you know, I just kind of got

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00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: obsessed with him. And I got obsessed with him because

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00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: if you know me, and if you especially if you've

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00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: listen to our episode about All that Heaven Allows, right,

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00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with classic melodrama and with the director Douglas

1110
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: circ And unsurprisingly, Fastbender was also obsessed with Douglas Cirk

1111
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: and discovered Circ you know, after he had made a

1112
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: few movies, and he just sort of like thought, what

1113
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: an incredible storytelling device, like the genre of melodrama, right,

1114
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: And so basically, Ali fear, It's the Soul is a

1115
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: homage to All that Heaven Allows. It's it's the story

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00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: of an older woman being in a relationship with a

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Speaker 1: younger man. Our fit's our theme this week, obviously. And

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Speaker 1: the thing about Cirk really is that he influenced a

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00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 1: lot of directors. I mean, I basically, like I think,

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Speaker 1: when it comes down to it, the Big Three, Pedro Maldivar,

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00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: Todd Haynes Fastbender. They were all obsessed with circ and

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00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: it's it runs through the veins of all of their films.

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Speaker 1: And you know, there are so many books and there

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00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: are articles that are written about that, so go look

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Speaker 1: it up. It's interesting to read about. So but I

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Speaker 1: will say this that I think the difference between Ali Effuri,

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00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: it's the soul and all that Heaven allows is the

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Speaker 1: racial element, right, Yes, it was because Fastbender is a

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00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: political director. You know, it's front and center in his

1130
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Speaker 1: mind in this era, this like post World War two

1131
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: Germany and this cultural climate, right, and so he's using

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00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: melodrama to tell this story, this political story about racism

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00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: and immigration and nationalism, and like, you know, I just

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01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: think it's really interesting. And you know, and especially if

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01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: you think about if you think about the characters of

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Speaker 1: Emmy and Ali who are in the Fastbender film, this

1137
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: isn't Jane Wyman and Rock Hudson. They have tons of contradictions,

1138
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: especially when we're talking about the racial element of their relationship.

1139
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: And so they're not perfect people. They do good and

1140
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: bad things, you know, and that that to me is

1141
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 1: I think a little bit different than you know, obviously,

1142
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Speaker 1: like the Douglas circ movies.

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Speaker 2: But you know, they have the distinction between this and

1144
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 2: All That Heaven Allows as well is that they're more

1145
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 2: on the same class level, whereas in you know, All

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01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 2: That Heaven Allows that Jane Wyman character was very well off,

1147
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 2: and you know, they're not exactly in the same class structure,

1148
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 2: but it.

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Speaker 3: Helps to understand like how this would even.

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Speaker 1: Come to be, yeah, one hundred percent, yeah, as opposed

1151
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 1: to I think Jane Wyman, who who like basically looks

1152
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: at the Rock Hudson character's life and sees it as

1153
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: an escape from her life.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: That's the difference is that basically it's kind of like

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01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: these two characters in Ali Feiry. It's the soul are

1157
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 1: definitely more they're they're both othered in a in a

1158
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: very class based way, which is really interesting to me.

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Speaker 1: So at the front end center of this movie, you've

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01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: got the central couple, as I've alluded to, You've got

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Speaker 1: Emmy who is played by Regeta Mirra, and Ali, who

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Speaker 1: was played by Elhetti Ben Salim. He was actually Fast

1163
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Speaker 1: Spender's boyfriend in real life at the time of this movie.

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Speaker 1: And you know, if you know anything about Fastbender, he

1165
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: had a company of actors who he worked with all

1166
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: the time, time and time again. But he but Brigeta

1167
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: Mirror was one of his in his you know, stable

1168
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: of actors. So at the beginning of the film, Emmy,

1169
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Speaker 1: you know, she's an older woman. She's trying to duck

1170
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Speaker 1: out of the rain. She walks into this bar and

1171
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Speaker 1: she sees this crew of like young people hanging out there,

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Speaker 1: and eventually this younger Moroccan man comes over and asks

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Speaker 1: her to dance. Okay, his name is Ali. They chat

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Speaker 1: about themselves as they're dancing, and I think the reason

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Speaker 1: why they start dancing to begin with is like one

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Speaker 1: of his friends, like one of the women in his crew,

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Speaker 1: is like, go dance with that old lady.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she dares him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she kind of dares him to do it, and

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01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: he just was like okay. But then they end up

1181
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: having a good conversation and then he's like ends up

1182
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: walking her home. Then he comes up for a drink.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's going real fast. They and then they

1184
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: start commiserating about again this like this sort of like

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01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: this thing that they share, which is that they're just

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01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: sort of like like Emmy's husband has died, her kids

1187
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: are grown. Okay, she lives alone and because she was

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01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: you know, I guess she because she was a wife,

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Speaker 1: she never felt like she built up a skill set

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Speaker 1: for anything. So now as an older woman, she's cleaning

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01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: buildings for a living and she's embarrassed by it though.

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01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: That's the thing, is that she's embarrassed by the fact

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Speaker 1: that she's a maid essentially. And Ali, who is telling

1194
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: his story to her, he moved to Germany from Morocco

1195
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: to find work. He's, you know, obviously like an immigrant.

1196
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Speaker 1: He's working at an auto shop, and as it turns out,

1197
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Speaker 1: everybody around him is super anti immigrant, very racist, and

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Speaker 1: it just really weighs heavy on him, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. So these are both working class people who

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01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: feel like they're being kind of shunned by people in

1201
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: their lives, in their own separate ways, and this is

1202
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: like the thing that they they bond by and then

1203
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: very quickly they end up spending the night together. They're

1204
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: both lonely, yes, And that's the thing is that, like

1205
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 1: kind of in the it goes a lot faster than

1206
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: Harold and Maud obviously.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but.

1208
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Speaker 1: There is no like big joke to it, you know,

1209
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: Like they're so like, Ooh, isn't it weird that this

1210
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 1: young guy is fucking this old lady, which is just

1211
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 1: like Harold and Maud. It's just I mean, it's a

1212
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Speaker 1: little surprising, but it's not like this big, huge joke,

1213
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 1: you know, which I appreciate a lot. So after they

1214
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: spend the night together, they actually start dating. And so

1215
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: now Emmy's neighbors and her coworkers they're seeing they're seeing

1216
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 1: them together, and they're saying awful things about him.

1217
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 2: Everyone they run into is such a pain in the

1218
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 2: ass bitch. Yes, just racist, horrible assholes.

1219
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: Yes. I mean, it's like imagine all that Heaven allows

1220
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: amped up to like the nth degree. There is, just

1221
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: they're terrible people saying filthy, filthy, racist things.

1222
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 2: You know.

1223
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: At some point, Emmy goes to see her daughter, who

1224
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 1: her husband, by the way, is actually played by Fastbender,

1225
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 1: and he's kind of like in full Stanley Kowowski mode.

1226
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: He's just kind of like a pig. Uh. He's not

1227
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 1: in the movie for very long, but it's like a

1228
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 1: thing where I'm like, I love that he made the

1229
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 1: most out of his own cameo. But Emmy tells her

1230
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 1: daughter like, hey, I'm in love with this guy, and

1231
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,439
Speaker 1: the both of them are like, you're fucking joking, right,

1232
01:05:55,000 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: but they get fucking married, Like Emmy and Ali get married, and.

1233
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Speaker 2: And the way they decide to get married is fascinating because.

1234
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 3: Her landlord imagine your landlord.

1235
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 2: Having a say in who is in your house obviously,

1236
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 2: like or who you're dating. And her landlord is like,

1237
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 2: you can't have subletters because he just assumes that that's

1238
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 2: what's happening, is that she's been subletting a room. And

1239
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 2: she's like, uh, he's not.

1240
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 3: My renter, Like, we're gonna get married.

1241
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 2: And so when she and Ali are talking, he's she's like, oh, fuck,

1242
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 2: Like I just told the landlord that we're gonna get

1243
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 2: married so that you could continue to live here.

1244
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 3: And he's like, no, that sounds like a great idea.

1245
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 3: Let's do it.

1246
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all get married. Yeah. There's all these like

1247
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: subtle assumptions in this movie about age and about race, right,

1248
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: Like the landlord is definitely like, oh, that's like some

1249
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 1: guy that needs a place to stay, Like he doesn't

1250
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 1: even assume that they could be in a relationship. Yeah,

1251
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 1: But weirdly enough, the landlord is probably like the one

1252
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: of the least judgmental characters in the film. Yeah. I

1253
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: kept waiting for.

1254
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 3: Him to be like, I don't care, get out of

1255
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 3: here anyway, like, but he never rises to that.

1256
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 1: Well, and I think it's really interesting that both the

1257
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 1: landlord character and the police officers are the least judge

1258
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 1: about the two of them. And I'm like, that's interesting

1259
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 1: because usually it's the other way around, right, people in power.

1260
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: But look, one of my favorite scenes in the movie

1261
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 1: is the scene of them in the restaurant after they've

1262
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 1: been married. Okay, so Emmy takes Ali to this Italian

1263
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 1: restaurant that apparently Hitler loved.

1264
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 2: I mean, can we talk about the fact that she's

1265
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 2: just casually mentioned that she was in the Nazi party?

1266
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 1: Well, and it's like, this is the thing that I'm

1267
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: that I'm talking about when I'm talking about how these

1268
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 1: characters aren't perfect. There is no absolute good or bad,

1269
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: binary thing happening in this movie. Like the idea that

1270
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 1: this woman brings this brown man to Hitler's favorite restaurant

1271
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 1: and doesn't even understand the nuance of that is why right, Well.

1272
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Speaker 2: And that's that's what I mean, That's kind of why

1273
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 2: I want to talk about it because I feel like

1274
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 2: it's also wild that she would date a brown person

1275
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 2: to begin with, because how are you involved with the

1276
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 2: Nazi Party? But then you also have this part of

1277
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 2: you that can fall in love with a man from Morocco.

1278
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 2: Like it's just she's completely I don't know, I just

1279
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 2: I find it interesting that they don't dig into it

1280
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:24,799
Speaker 2: very much, but it kind of there's an assumed evolution

1281
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 2: that has happened in her life that made her not

1282
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 2: like her neighbors and all these other racist people as

1283
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 2: she was around, but she was also still part of

1284
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 2: the Nazi parties. You're like, wait, how do these two

1285
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 2: things exist in the same person.

1286
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 1: Well, and like there's there's a there's the same that's

1287
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: going to come up that I want to talk about too,

1288
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:42,600
Speaker 1: that's related to this, which is that basically it's like

1289
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 1: it feels like it almost like a modern concept in

1290
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 1: a way of like the person who isn't like functionally racist,

1291
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 1: but then has sort of steep seated behaviors that are

1292
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:01,680
Speaker 1: not serving that.

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01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean.

1294
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 2: You know, when your family members all vote conservative, but

1295
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 2: then you're like your niece is black, Like how are you? Yes,

1296
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 2: it's that kind of thing where you're like, wait, I

1297
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 2: don't understand how this is disconnected for you.

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01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. And that's why I think this movie is

1299
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,719
Speaker 1: so fascinating because it's not it's complicated. It's not easy.

1300
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 1: It isn't you know, Like I love this man and

1301
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 1: I stand up for him while also taking him to

1302
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: Hitler's restaurant. I mean, it's just crazy. But the thing

1303
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:35,679
Speaker 1: I want to talk about in this scene that makes

1304
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: it my favorite is that it's just like a beautiful scene.

1305
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: I mean, they're sitting it's like they're both sitting on

1306
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: the same side of this booth. The framing is really wonderful.

1307
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 1: It's like it's shot through a doorway, right and at

1308
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:50,679
Speaker 1: the in the restaurant, they're like the only couple in there,

1309
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: and they've got this like waiter that's kind of there, uh,

1310
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 1: taking their order, and she's trying to order fancy foods

1311
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 1: because they just got married and they're trying to celebrate,

1312
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 1: but she doesn't know how to order fancy food and

1313
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 1: it's just this reminder that, oh, yeah, like these are

1314
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 1: two working class people and that's something that bonds them.

1315
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 1: But then it's like this this kind of like uh,

1316
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 1: you know moment where she doesn't know how to what

1317
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 1: temperature Chateaubriand is supposed to be at or whatever, and

1318
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 1: she's just like, I don't know how to order this

1319
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 1: because I don't eat this in my everyday life, you know.

1320
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 1: And it's it's just another interesting little little moment in

1321
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: the film that says so much, you know what I mean. Then,

1322
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 1: So at some point she gets her fucking kids together

1323
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 1: and tells them, guess what I got married? And guess what.

1324
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 1: He's Moroccan and he's way younger than me, And much

1325
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:45,679
Speaker 1: like all that Heaven allows, they flip the fuck out.

1326
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 1: One of her sons calls her a whore and kicks

1327
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 1: a TV, kicks out the screen of a TV.

1328
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:56,799
Speaker 2: One of them is basically like, we're dead to you now, Yes,

1329
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:58,919
Speaker 2: you don't have children anymore.

1330
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, another interesting thing, how all that Heaven allows the

1331
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 1: TV is the source of misery, much like then, there's

1332
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 1: a TV getting smashed in this movie intentional, but yeah.

1333
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 3: Why do you have to go out and bone that guy?

1334
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 3: You have a TV here the whole time?

1335
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me kick it out because I'm so pissed off.

1336
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:24,720
Speaker 1: But here's the moment for me that really makes it

1337
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 1: almost personal for me. So they're married. There's a corner

1338
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:31,599
Speaker 1: store in their neighborhood and she tells Ali go out

1339
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 1: to the store and get some groceries for me. And

1340
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 1: when he gets to the store, the fucking guy who

1341
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 1: owns the store treats him like an idiot, you know,

1342
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 1: and he's basically like, I can't understand you. Come back

1343
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 1: when you speak German. And they did it on purpose

1344
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 1: to fuck with him, like they basically like fucked with

1345
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: this guy. Made him feel like a horrible person that

1346
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 1: didn't speak their language, and that shit. I used to

1347
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: watch my mom get treated that way when I was

1348
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: a kid, and I have stood there when people in

1349
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 1: stores have talked like to my mom like she was

1350
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 1: an idiot, you know, little girl, and have not have

1351
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: been like very performatively being like I don't understand you.

1352
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: What are you saying? And it sends me into a

1353
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 1: murderous rage. Dude, like I mean, you have no idea.

1354
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm very sensitive towards it. And when I saw this

1355
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 1: in the movie. Every time I see this in the movie,

1356
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: it makes me, it makes like all the hair stand

1357
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,640
Speaker 1: up on my body. It just fucking pisses me. The

1358
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 1: fuck off so.

1359
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 2: Bad, and it's it's so egregious in this film where

1360
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 2: he this store owner is basically saying he's like, I

1361
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,759
Speaker 2: want this limit limit limonello or limon cello or whatever,

1362
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:48,640
Speaker 2: and he's like, puts up a bottle of beer and

1363
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:50,640
Speaker 2: he's like no, no, no, like the butter, and he

1364
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:52,599
Speaker 2: gives him something else and then he keeps just going

1365
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 2: back and forth between these two items, and then his

1366
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 2: wife comes in and she's like you he's talking about

1367
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 2: the new margarine and the guy's like, oh, you think

1368
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:02,759
Speaker 2: I don't know that, Like he's just so arrogant about

1369
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 2: his refusal to serve this man, yeah, who just like

1370
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 2: the transaction could have been completely finished in the time

1371
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 2: it took him to be such a dick to this guy.

1372
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's just making him repeat the things that

1373
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 1: he says and he's given him the wrong thing. It's

1374
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 1: a fucking agonizing scene and it just pisses me the

1375
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:21,839
Speaker 1: fuck off. I just get so mad on his behalf

1376
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 1: for that, and quite obviously, like the shunning that they're

1377
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 1: getting is breaking amy. Like she's like I've had it.

1378
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:35,679
Speaker 1: She's like, we gotta go on vacation, Like we gotta

1379
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: get out of the city for a while. It's too

1380
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 1: it's too hot. I hate I hate the way people

1381
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 1: are treating us. Right, So they come back from vacation

1382
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 1: and it's like this weird thing where they come back

1383
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,679
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, everybody's being nice to her again,

1384
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:51,600
Speaker 1: and really it's because they need things from her, like favors,

1385
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 1: like her fucking neighbors like, hey, can I borrow your

1386
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 1: you know basement. She's like, Okay, the you know, freaking

1387
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: store owner that just disrespected the fuck out of Ali's like, well,

1388
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 1: now I want her business back, so let me be

1389
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 1: nice to her and him. And it's just like that

1390
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 1: thing where I'm like, it's such hollow bullshit, because it's

1391
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 1: like that it's just people who want something, and now

1392
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: they're like changing their tune about everything. But the thing

1393
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:19,719
Speaker 1: that interests me the most in terms of this character

1394
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 1: development of Emmy is that now she's like relieved to

1395
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:26,760
Speaker 1: be back in the fold with these people. Instead of

1396
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 1: being like fuck you, you treated me like shit, you

1397
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:31,600
Speaker 1: treated my husband like shit, I don't want to have

1398
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 1: anything to do with you. She's like so indoctrinated that

1399
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:37,680
Speaker 1: she wants to be liked by them, you know what

1400
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 1: I mean.

1401
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 2: And she's and beyond that, she also starts treating her

1402
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 2: husband differently. Like you notice at this point in the

1403
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 2: movie is when she starts ordering him around a lot

1404
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 2: and kind of like loaning him out to people, and

1405
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 2: so she's happy to be back in the fold, but

1406
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 2: she's still not considering his feelings or his treatment at all.

1407
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's that scene too of like when she

1408
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 1: brings like her girlfriends over and then she's like, look

1409
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: at my hot husband and they start like touching his

1410
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:09,520
Speaker 1: body and ogling him, and it's just like it's so insulting,

1411
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:12,680
Speaker 1: Like it's insulting to him to be treated like this exotic,

1412
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 1: you know, young brown man. I mean, it's just like

1413
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 1: really really weird in that moment to know that that's

1414
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 1: kind of like what happened like with Emmy's sort of

1415
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:27,679
Speaker 1: like post vacation evolution. You're like, what the fuck happened?

1416
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 1: Like now, all of a sudden, you just want people

1417
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 1: to like you so bad that you're willing to sell

1418
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:33,679
Speaker 1: out your husband. But you know what I mean, That's

1419
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 1: the thing again, complicated characters. It's a it's a rich

1420
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 1: text because the other thing that happens after this is

1421
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:45,600
Speaker 1: that you know, Ali is getting angry because there's like

1422
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 1: this this is happening. Also, he's saying like, hey, wouldn't

1423
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: it be great if you like cook some couscous sometime

1424
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 1: for me? And you know this like food that I

1425
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:56,679
Speaker 1: like to eat, and she's just like, no, I don't

1426
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 1: like it. You gotta eat German food. You're a German now.

1427
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 1: And it's just thing where I think that he has

1428
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 1: his own breaking point with that, and.

1429
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:07,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's being denied his culture and his identity, right, He's.

1430
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 1: Being told like you need to assimilate to my culture

1431
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:16,360
Speaker 1: by her, and he ends up running away and he

1432
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:20,679
Speaker 1: ends up like having an affair and it's not great

1433
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 1: that he does that, but I think in that moment,

1434
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 1: he felt like he needed to be understood in a

1435
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 1: in some kind of way by somebody who wasn't kind

1436
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 1: of like he just wanted to get out of the

1437
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 1: dynamic of this, right. But then there are moments too

1438
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 1: where she comes back, like Emmy comes back and you know,

1439
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 1: she's trying to appeal to him to come home, and

1440
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 1: she goes up to his work and like he kind

1441
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 1: of like shuns her, like he gets him total. Yeah,

1442
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 1: he totally diss her. And it's very hard to watch

1443
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 1: because it's like all of his like fucking buddies are like, hey,

1444
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 1: who's your grandma coming up here to visit you? And

1445
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 1: he's just like, yeah, yeah, my grandma, you know, and

1446
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 1: I'm just like damn dude. Like so it's like again,

1447
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 1: very complicated for him too, because it's like he was

1448
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: just like brutalized by all these people, but then he

1449
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 1: can also be brutal Right.

1450
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just.

1451
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 1: Really really interesting. I mean, honestly, I'm not I mean,

1452
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 1: I won't give away the rest of the film, you know,

1453
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 1: but I because I just really want everybody to watch it.

1454
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:24,680
Speaker 1: I just I think you should watch this movie. I

1455
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 1: think it's a masterpiece. I I it's it's to me.

1456
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,680
Speaker 1: The style of it is very appealing. It's very restrained,

1457
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 1: very compelling love story, you know, kind of a classic

1458
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 1: formalist film, you know, which is that everything has meaning,

1459
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 1: Like what's in the frame, the colors, the objects, the shots,

1460
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 1: you know, where everybody's standing, these are all helping to

1461
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 1: tell this story, right, And there's a like a again,

1462
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 1: like we just talked about Wes Anderston. I mean like

1463
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 1: he's a he's this kind of director, you know. But

1464
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 1: I just love the style of it and the actual

1465
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 1: story and the characters and how it's not an easy thing,

1466
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:11,440
Speaker 1: Like they're not completely unlikable and completely likable. It's complicated

1467
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: and a lot of the scenes have a lot of

1468
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 1: like great like dead pan stares. Like there's a lot

1469
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 1: of characters that are literally they're holding scenes where people

1470
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 1: are just staring at them, right, I know. And like again,

1471
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 1: and when you when you think about that, with the

1472
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 1: idea that there's a lot of shots coming from doorways

1473
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 1: and coming from other rooms, all of this is underscoring

1474
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 1: the ideas of judgment, right, which is the entire theme

1475
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:46,719
Speaker 1: of this film. Really, So I just love this movie,

1476
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 1: like for so many different reasons. It's very textured. It's

1477
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 1: it's shit that I love, Like, it's really like a

1478
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:58,680
Speaker 1: hearty meal. So and for the theme, Hey, beautiful, I

1479
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 1: don't I don't actually know how old Emmy is supposed

1480
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 1: to be in the film. She seems like she's in

1481
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 1: her sixties. Yeah, but I guess, yeah, But it's it's

1482
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 1: it fits the theme and I'm glad I got to

1483
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 1: watch it again.

1484
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 3: So I love that you pick this because I want

1485
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 3: people to watch it too.

1486
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 2: I think it's a it's an incredible film, and it's

1487
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 2: I just like the movie. And I think that if

1488
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 2: you're all intimidated by like German cinema or this style

1489
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 2: of film or this story, like this is a great

1490
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 2: jumping in point for you to you know, kind of

1491
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 2: see that the stories are so rich and like Millie

1492
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 2: was just saying that the stories and the backgrounds and

1493
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 2: the framing and everything is helping to tell this story

1494
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:41,679
Speaker 2: in a way that just is lovely to jump into.

1495
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and thanks for bearing with me as a waxed

1496
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 1: poetic on an old film school classic. Folks. Hey, listen,

1497
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 1: here's something that I realized talking to some of you guys,

1498
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:02,879
Speaker 1: like out there during the book signings and when Danielle

1499
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 1: and I came to Atlanta. At anytime people have approached

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Speaker 1: me about the podcast. A lot of people appreciate the

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Speaker 1: fact that we can, you know, give them a little,

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Speaker 1: a little version of something they can take back to

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Speaker 1: the men in their life and be like, guess what, bitch,

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Speaker 1: I know about Ali Fears so too. I know about

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Speaker 1: Harold and Maud too. You you want me to tell

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Speaker 1: you about Hal Ashby, I got you, and I'm like, good,

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Speaker 1: let us be that for you if you're trying. If

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Speaker 1: you're trying to get it an intellectual debate and you

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Speaker 1: want to listen to an episode to help you with that,

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Speaker 1: that's cool.

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Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah, I'm always down to you. On the

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Speaker 2: side of somebody who's like using us to make a point.

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Speaker 1: Well listen. If you want to email us, we're at

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Speaker 1: I Saw what you Did pod at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: We love questions for bonus episodes. Keep them short and sweet,

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Speaker 1: FMK is that and the like? We love it, so

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Speaker 1: send them.

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Speaker 2: Away short questions, not journal entries. And we also have

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Speaker 2: a po box if you want to send us your

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Speaker 2: journal entries and handwritten letters, which you can find on

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Speaker 2: our socials because if you are at I Saw pot

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Speaker 2: on Instagram and Twitter, that's right.

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Speaker 1: And finally, we have merch Go to the I Saw

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Speaker 1: what you Did section of the exactly Right shop to

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Speaker 1: find hoodies, bargello kids, pins, whatever you need.

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Speaker 2: We got you, all right. I feel like we should

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Speaker 2: give them the movies for next week. Oh that's right.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, they are not ready. I'm just saying

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Speaker 2: it right now. This shit is talk about barn Burner.

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Speaker 2: These two movies, you're gonna go through time and space.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna go into another dimension.

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Speaker 1: Okay. The movies for next week are Sneakers from nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety two and Hackers from nineteen ninety five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you think you know the theme, but

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Speaker 2: remember this is the thing I need to I feel

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Speaker 2: like people need to remember when they're guessing the theme,

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Speaker 2: it's through our brains, so it's never gonna be as

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Speaker 2: cut and dry as what you're currently thinking.

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Speaker 3: Probably.

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Speaker 1: Also, you have to get every single word of the

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Speaker 1: theme right or else it doesn't count. So if you

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Speaker 1: if you were, like, if you guessed fucking to the

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Speaker 1: Olds this week, you got it wrong. I'll just throw

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Speaker 1: that out there.

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Speaker 3: It's banging to the oldies. We will accept no substitutes.

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Speaker 1: Listen. Daniel doesn't come up with these gems just to

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Speaker 1: get them like halfway. In order to in order to win,

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Speaker 1: you have to get the wording right.

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Speaker 2: So well, I love doing this podcast. I'm so this

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Speaker 2: episode was great. And loved watching these movies. I watched

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Speaker 2: them back to back, true double feature style, and just

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Speaker 2: my emotions were all over the.

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Speaker 3: Place and I loved it.

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Speaker 1: That's right, always a fucking hell as you do this

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Speaker 1: podcast with you, Danielle Henderson. See you next week. Everyone.

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Speaker 3: Bye.

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Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production. Produced by Casey O'Brien,

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Speaker 2: mixed by Edson Choi. Our theme song is by.

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Speaker 3: Tom bry Fogel. Artwork by Garrett Ross.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Georgia Hartstart Caring, Tile Gareff, and

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Speaker 2: Daniel Kramer. You can follow us on Instagram and Twitter

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Speaker 2: at I Saw Pod, and you can email us at

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Speaker 2: I Saw What You Did Pod at gmail