WEBVTT - From the Vault: The Soap Dragon

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, and it's Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>Time to go into the Old Vault. This episode originally

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<v Speaker 1>aired on June four, nineteen, and it was called The

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<v Speaker 1>Soap Dragon. This was about the monsters that we make

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<v Speaker 1>in our sewers out of fats, oils, grease, and wet wipes,

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<v Speaker 1>all the things you should not put down your drain,

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<v Speaker 1>you should not flush, and yet people do a k

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<v Speaker 1>a fat Bergs. This was the episode I believe that

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<v Speaker 1>gave us fatburg Cop so uh, one of our favorite

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<v Speaker 1>recurring characters on the show. So so yeah, let's let's

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<v Speaker 1>jump right in. Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind,

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<v Speaker 1>a production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, you,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. My name is

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, and I thought maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we should start off with a little don't do what

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<v Speaker 1>Donnie Don't does? All right, tell you tell us about

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<v Speaker 1>Donnie Don't. Okay, so let's let's let's see what Donnie

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<v Speaker 1>Don't is doing and see if maybe we should don't

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<v Speaker 1>do what he does? Uh, try and spot the don't.

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<v Speaker 1>So Donnie Don't is he's cooking up a big old

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<v Speaker 1>mess of French fries in his deep friar, and he

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<v Speaker 1>eats all the fries while watching RoboCop three, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it's time to clean up. So first of all, he

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<v Speaker 1>realizes he is greasy all over from eating this big

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<v Speaker 1>batch of fries, so he gives himself a good wipe

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<v Speaker 1>down with some wet wipes, and then he flushes them

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<v Speaker 1>down the toilet. Now it's time to get rid of

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<v Speaker 1>the gallon of duck fat that he used to cook

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<v Speaker 1>his fries. So what does he do? He pours it

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<v Speaker 1>straight down the drain in the bathtub. Now, I think

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<v Speaker 1>most of us can easily I don't know about all

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<v Speaker 1>of us, because somebody's obviously doing what Donnie Don't does,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think most of us can easily spot the

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<v Speaker 1>Donnie don'ts here. He's made several errors, but now I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's pretty common knowledge that you are not supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to flush wet wipes and other non toilet page products

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<v Speaker 1>down the toilet, and you're definitely not supposed to pour

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<v Speaker 1>fat down the drain. Yeah, I mean there's some other

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<v Speaker 1>things that he's doing to potentially criticize. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't I don't know how how often he's eating French

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<v Speaker 1>fries that have been fried in duck fat. Like, if

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<v Speaker 1>he's doing that too often, that's probably not great for

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<v Speaker 1>his health. But you know, once in a while, why not, right, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>RoboCop three, I have no problem with that. It may

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<v Speaker 1>not be the strongest of the RoboCop movies, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>uh it has like cyber Ninjes in it. That's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of cool. But yeah, it's the it's the wet wipes

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<v Speaker 1>and then pouring that grease down the drain. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>the pouring of the grease down the drain. I often

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<v Speaker 1>forget that. That is a key rule. Oh do you

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<v Speaker 1>do you break this one? No? I I just I'm

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<v Speaker 1>generally not in a position to break it because we

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<v Speaker 1>just don't. We don't cook with with fat uh much

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<v Speaker 1>anymore at all anymore. And uh, and then as far

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<v Speaker 1>as wet wipes go, like I know, not to put

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<v Speaker 1>wet wipes down though, really no oils in your house,

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<v Speaker 1>no salad dressing, no like, no olive oil or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>But not duck fat. Oh well, I mean, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>other like non animal fats are still like fats and oils.

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<v Speaker 1>But I guess what I'm thinking, Like I I remember,

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<v Speaker 1>so I shouldn't have said just duck fat. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that you're not supposed to pour oil or lipids of

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<v Speaker 1>any time down a drain but but but specifically like

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, like a big fry vat kind of

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<v Speaker 1>drainage situation. Like I I remember seeing jars of of

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<v Speaker 1>of fat and oil like underneath the sink. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>growing up, because like that was, you know, the appropriate

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<v Speaker 1>thing to do. That's a grandma's house kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 1>like the big old mason jar of bacon grease under

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<v Speaker 1>the sink. And then of course when whenever we go,

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<v Speaker 1>if you go to um a fast food restaurant or

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<v Speaker 1>even a restaurant in general, you're gonna find that big

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<v Speaker 1>grease trap outside. Like sometimes it's a little bit hidden,

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<v Speaker 1>but sometimes there's no place to hide it. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>right up front. It's just there in the parking lot. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember one of my jobs that I worked at

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<v Speaker 1>when I is in college. Every morning when i'd go

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<v Speaker 1>into it, I'd have to park in the parking lot

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<v Speaker 1>of a restaurant that was like next to where I worked,

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<v Speaker 1>and I parked right next to their big it was

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<v Speaker 1>like a Burger and Fry's place and the heart next

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<v Speaker 1>to their big grease grease depository. Uh. And it just

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<v Speaker 1>looked like the saddest robot from some Star Wars spinoff,

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<v Speaker 1>like Lithuanian Star Wars has our Ford, uh, you know

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<v Speaker 1>D seven And it's this big black thing with with

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<v Speaker 1>like this dripping, sad, grease tears stained head. But of

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<v Speaker 1>course that's this restaurant usage, and we can I think

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<v Speaker 1>we can all understand that. I mean, there's certain rules

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<v Speaker 1>and regulations there they're following, and they're also producing just

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of this, uh, this material. I wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>like the problem with a household situation is either you're

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<v Speaker 1>creating so little that you don't think about it, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's like death by thousand cuts right right, or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you do produce a more sizeable amount doing you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of frying scenario like you do, suddenly have

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<v Speaker 1>this this huge mess to clean up. And it's easy

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<v Speaker 1>to just convince yourself, I'm just gonna do the easy thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna go and put it down the sink

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<v Speaker 1>and next time I'll do better. Right, Who's gonna know,

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<v Speaker 1>But maybe we should step back and ask a question.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's not like RoboCop is going to show

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<v Speaker 1>the house, right, right, So that's what they do in

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<v Speaker 1>RoboCop too, right. They reprogram him so instead of fighting crime,

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<v Speaker 1>he goes out and he he pursues uh, minor infraction,

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<v Speaker 1>minor and littering and stuff like that and people using

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<v Speaker 1>swear words. Uh. So we should ask this question of

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, why are you not supposed to do

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<v Speaker 1>these things? Why are you not supposed to pour oil

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<v Speaker 1>and fat and grease down the drain? Well, one reason

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<v Speaker 1>you're not supposed to do this has to do with

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<v Speaker 1>the way sewers work. Sewers are, I say, with no hesitation,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the greatest human inventions. And if you doubt this,

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<v Speaker 1>listen to our invention episodes on the toilet, or listen

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<v Speaker 1>to uh we did an episode of stuff to blow

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<v Speaker 1>your mind out, the miasma theory of disease. And in

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<v Speaker 1>all of these we talk about how you know, properly

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<v Speaker 1>maintained sanitary sewer facilities are are not not just there

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<v Speaker 1>to make our homes and our streets more pleasant, like

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<v Speaker 1>they play a crucial role in protecting public health and

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<v Speaker 1>preventing outbreaks of diseases, especially fecal oral route diseases which

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<v Speaker 1>are as gross as they sound, diseases like cholera. UH.

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<v Speaker 1>Sewers work when everything flows smoothly to its destination point

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<v Speaker 1>at a treatment facility, and they're one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>innovations in the history of civilization. I say that no

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<v Speaker 1>qualifications at all. But sometimes things get in the way,

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<v Speaker 1>like tree roots can intrude on sewer pipes and block flow.

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<v Speaker 1>We live here in Atlanta where there are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of trees and a lot of a lot of old

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<v Speaker 1>large trees and places that are intersecting with sewer pipes,

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<v Speaker 1>and so this we know about this happening a lot. UH.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course they can cause turbulence and this can

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<v Speaker 1>lead to build up. Or we can have old, decaying

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<v Speaker 1>sewer mains that crack and do similar stuff. And sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>blockages in these sewer sewer pipes occur from the inside out.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the most all inspiring things that can block

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<v Speaker 1>a sewer is what we're going to be talking about today.

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<v Speaker 1>It's something that has in recent years come to be

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<v Speaker 1>known as a fat berg. According to an article I

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<v Speaker 1>was reading by Kelly oaks and new scientists from earlier

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<v Speaker 1>this year. Uh. This term was apparently coined in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and eight, but it became widely popular after news

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<v Speaker 1>reports about a huge fatberg in and what it refers

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<v Speaker 1>to is a giant, solidified mass of stuff based on

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<v Speaker 1>fats and oils that just states in the heart of

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<v Speaker 1>a sewer system, feeding on things like wet wipes and

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<v Speaker 1>floss and other trash, but especially on fats and the

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<v Speaker 1>byproducts of fats, like cooking oils, you know, uh, grease

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<v Speaker 1>from cooking animals, all that stuff that people wash down

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<v Speaker 1>the drain when they just either dump out oils they

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<v Speaker 1>cook with or just when they wash their dishes and

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<v Speaker 1>the oils that are already on the dishes come come

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<v Speaker 1>off and go down the down the tubes. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>understand that they're like the wet wives, the floss, all

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<v Speaker 1>that can can sort of serve as a substrate. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like a scaffolding on which this, uh, this

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<v Speaker 1>new mass will form. Yeah, and we'll talk about how

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<v Speaker 1>it forms in a little bit. But I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the terminology because while fat bergs has really

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<v Speaker 1>caught on with the public, this is like what I

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<v Speaker 1>think The reason that there have been so many articles

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<v Speaker 1>in recent years about fat bergs is just because of

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<v Speaker 1>the term fat bergs, Like there was now this beautiful,

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<v Speaker 1>attractive terminology for it, whereas previously, especially in the US,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they were referred to primarily with the acronym

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<v Speaker 1>fogs for fat oil and grease or frogs for fat

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<v Speaker 1>roots as in tree roots and oil and grease. But

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<v Speaker 1>have a really missing opportunity there to dug to dub

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<v Speaker 1>them for instead of frogs, same letters, but it would

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<v Speaker 1>have scratched more of a chudditch, you know, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think maybe would have resonated a little more. Maybe not

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<v Speaker 1>as much as fat bergs ultimately did, but I mean

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<v Speaker 1>attack of the forges where the forges, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>that could have resonated with with the public. If there

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<v Speaker 1>is not already a movie about one of these things

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<v Speaker 1>becoming sentient, there will be soon. But one particularly massive

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<v Speaker 1>fat burg that we might linger on for a bit

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<v Speaker 1>has been covered extensively, especially in the British press. This

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<v Speaker 1>was the White Chapel Burg. It was removed in Tween

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<v Speaker 1>and it was a mass blocking the sewer under the

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<v Speaker 1>under White Chapel Road in East London. I think this

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<v Speaker 1>was Jack the Rippers neighborhood. Yeah, I think that adds

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<v Speaker 1>to the appeal of the white Chapel Fatburg. And it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds even more sinister exactly. And the burg itself, in

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<v Speaker 1>a way, was sort of a white chapel. It's like this, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this unholy things, sort of a gray off white color.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it was about two hundred and fifty meter

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<v Speaker 1>ars long or about eight hundred and twenty feet, and

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<v Speaker 1>it weighed probably about a hundred and thirty tons. And

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<v Speaker 1>this monster was so magnificent that a piece of it

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<v Speaker 1>was broken off and displayed in a special exhibit in

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<v Speaker 1>the Museum of London. And I came across a gorgeous,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely haunting description of this sewage fatburg fragment by Sam

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<v Speaker 1>Knight in The New Yorker. And this, this description of

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<v Speaker 1>the Fatburg was so moving that I have to quote

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<v Speaker 1>from it. Are you ready, Robert? The piece of Fatburg

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<v Speaker 1>was slightly smaller than a loaf of bread and looked

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<v Speaker 1>like it might have come from the moon. It was

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<v Speaker 1>putty colored and marked everywhere with geological looking indentations, including

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<v Speaker 1>a cluster of fingerprints from when it was removed from

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<v Speaker 1>a sewer. In East London last October and lifted through

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<v Speaker 1>a manhole. On the surface, there was also a dark

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<v Speaker 1>fragment from an autumn leaf which must have slipped down

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<v Speaker 1>the drains into its mall. Emerging through the congealed cow

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<v Speaker 1>alsified fat was the purple and orange perforated edge of

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<v Speaker 1>a double decker chocolate bar wrapper. Every detail of the

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<v Speaker 1>hideous object was starkly visible because it was resting on

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<v Speaker 1>a bed of black granules under a spotlight in a

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<v Speaker 1>glass box at the Museum of London at the opening

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<v Speaker 1>of its new exhibition Fat Bird. I stared at it

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<v Speaker 1>for a while, and while I did so, a tiny

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<v Speaker 1>dark speck on the Fat Bird became animate and started

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<v Speaker 1>to move. A fly the size of a pinhead flew

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<v Speaker 1>up and battered against the glass. That's pretty great because

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<v Speaker 1>he capture us this sense of it almost being alive

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, and and also this this haunting feeling that

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<v Speaker 1>it is like our sins. Uh, may you know, manifested

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<v Speaker 1>into a physical form, Like here is all your recklessness

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<v Speaker 1>and your you're you're willing and stuff to flush inappropriate

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<v Speaker 1>things down the toilet. Well, here it is altogether, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>to confront you to point it's grotesque finger at Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope this description of the fatburg it's nominated for

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<v Speaker 1>like a Pulitzer Prize. That's uh, it's powerful stuff. But

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<v Speaker 1>the seen white chapelberg that mentioned a minute ago was

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<v Speaker 1>by no means the only fatburg. Fat Burgs form all

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<v Speaker 1>the time in cities all around the world due to

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<v Speaker 1>people flushing and washing fats and other inappropriate stuff down

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<v Speaker 1>the drain. According to Night's article, it's estimated that London

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<v Speaker 1>alone has at least five large fat bergs at any

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<v Speaker 1>given time, So sometimes you know, they go down there

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<v Speaker 1>to fight them, but they're they're always new ones forming.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about size. They can become so huge.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me restate what I said a minute ago. This

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<v Speaker 1>white Chapel beast was two hundred and fifty meters long,

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<v Speaker 1>which is approximately the length of the Hindenburg, and it

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<v Speaker 1>weighed probably about a hundred and thirty tons or heavier

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<v Speaker 1>by about a third than the biggest ever soarra pod dinosaurs.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, it makes sense because they were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>a massive sewage system. We're talking about massive consumption, a

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<v Speaker 1>massive population, and therefore the clog the thing is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be massive as well, well, yeah, and also you

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<v Speaker 1>want to consider the particulars of the London sewer system,

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<v Speaker 1>because this is where a lot of these stories come from.

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<v Speaker 1>The London sewer system. You know, it's it's got Victorian elements,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was the sewer system built over a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, uh, you know, back in Victorian times, as

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<v Speaker 1>a response to the great stink you know that we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about on on this show before, where the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sewage being discharged into the Thames. One year in the

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<v Speaker 1>believe it is the eighteen fifties or sixties, sometime in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of the nineteenth century, it got so foul

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<v Speaker 1>and it stanks so bad that Parliament was just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>about to puke in their uh, in their deliberation chambers.

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<v Speaker 1>And so they eventually did something about it, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was to get this sewage system, uh, not only because

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<v Speaker 1>of the smell, but also because it was a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the sewage system that they had in place of the time,

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<v Speaker 1>which consisted of more like open sewers in the streets

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff draining into the Thames which then people would

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<v Speaker 1>drink out of. It was just leading to the collar

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<v Speaker 1>out breaks and terrible public health conditions and these horrible stinks.

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<v Speaker 1>So they created this massive sewer system under the ground

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<v Speaker 1>in order to take away all of the waste water

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<v Speaker 1>and discharge it away from the city. So you've got

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<v Speaker 1>these like in some cases very large, like old, elaborate

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<v Speaker 1>and some sometimes kind of beautiful brick built sewage channels

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, access tunnels and all this. Uh so,

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<v Speaker 1>so you've got old facilities. But you might be wondering. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so one of these giant beasts, You've you've got a

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<v Speaker 1>hindenburg of fat and sewage and waste stuck in the sewer, blocking,

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<v Speaker 1>blocking things, preventing them from flowing. What do you do

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<v Speaker 1>about it? Well, that's the question. We're gonna take a

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<v Speaker 1>quick break and when we come back we will answer it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we're back. So we're talking about fat bergs. How do

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<v Speaker 1>you fight them. You've got one of these giant concrete

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<v Speaker 1>fat conglomerations made out of wet wipes and and dental

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<v Speaker 1>floss and old you know, wrappers of food and bits

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<v Speaker 1>of plastic, and of course all of these fats and

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<v Speaker 1>oils and grease and sewage and waste. It just makes

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<v Speaker 1>this huge mass that blocks up the sewers. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you do about it? Well, you literally have sewer workers

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<v Speaker 1>that go down to break it up and remove it.

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<v Speaker 1>The city sewer workers in London are known as flushers,

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<v Speaker 1>and they have to fight these wicked villains. They have

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<v Speaker 1>to go down and confront the ball rog in person.

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<v Speaker 1>And in Night's article in The New Yorker, he he

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<v Speaker 1>talks about the process of breaking up the White Chapel mass. So,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, he says, they've got to wear protection,

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<v Speaker 1>and they've got to have a breathing apparatus because this

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<v Speaker 1>thing is in a way alive. It's got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of uh life feeding on it, and as a result,

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<v Speaker 1>it can let out sudden explosion of gas like hydrogen sulfide,

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<v Speaker 1>which of course smells like rotten eggs and is the

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<v Speaker 1>It's a common gas released as a byproduct of decaying

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<v Speaker 1>organic matter, but it also releases methane, and sometimes it

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<v Speaker 1>can just blast out carbon monoxide, which can be deadly.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's say you're outfitting your D and D Adventure

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<v Speaker 1>the flusher class to go down into this dungeon and

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<v Speaker 1>fight the monster. What weapons do you want to equip

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<v Speaker 1>them with? We'll probably not fire. Fire would seems like

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<v Speaker 1>a bad idea. Oh yeah, that's uh. And and unfortunately

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<v Speaker 1>they are not a magic using class, so they don't

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<v Speaker 1>have any spells available to them. I don't know. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that a thing in D and D there's some classes

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<v Speaker 1>who can't do spells, right? Uh? Yeah, I mean it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like there are a lot of classes that have

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of magical abilities, especially as they level up.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, this sounds more like like fighter um uh

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<v Speaker 1>material right here. You need somebody to go down and

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<v Speaker 1>physically fight this physical threat and remove it. These are paladins.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll allow it. I'll allow it. I mean, paladins have

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<v Speaker 1>some some you know that they have holy powers, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>But a lot of these powers are about like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>increasing their physical prowess. Right, Okay, certainly I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>my stuff. Sorry, Okay, we'll say their paladins anyway. Uh So,

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<v Speaker 1>the Mighty Flusher's weapons include the bomb hose. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>term bomb hose, which is just like a high pressure

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<v Speaker 1>water jet that should be able to cut through blockages.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a cutting jet. But apparently, according to Night's article,

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<v Speaker 1>even this didn't work all that well on the hardened

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<v Speaker 1>mass of the White Chapelberg, and so later on these

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<v Speaker 1>these warriors had to use more old fashioned implements like

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<v Speaker 1>pick axes, shovels, and he says in one case even

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<v Speaker 1>us Saul. When pieces were removed and kept for the

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<v Speaker 1>London Museum exhibit, one expert who handled them described the

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<v Speaker 1>fatberg chunks as sort of hard but light feeling like

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<v Speaker 1>pumice stone. I think that was interesting. Yeah, but even

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<v Speaker 1>the smaller one so so that one's gigantic, But even

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<v Speaker 1>the smaller ones are still huge in disgusting ways. I've

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<v Speaker 1>on a brilliantly funny article with a great title on

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<v Speaker 1>Atlas Obscura by Jessica lee Hester from January of this year,

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<v Speaker 1>is called seven big Things. They're smaller than this fatburg,

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<v Speaker 1>and it refers to another British fatburg, one found in

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<v Speaker 1>a sewer beneath the town in beneath the town in Devon,

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<v Speaker 1>and according to the water utility in that area, it

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<v Speaker 1>was the largest fatberg that they had come across in

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<v Speaker 1>that area. It was about two ten feet or about

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five ms uh. And so so what are the

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<v Speaker 1>things she lists as smaller than this fatberg, at least

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of dimensions. I don't think they had weight

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<v Speaker 1>on it at the time she was writing. Um, so

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<v Speaker 1>smaller in terms of length was the above water surface

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<v Speaker 1>height of the iceberg that sunk the Titanic, the tallest

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<v Speaker 1>known Ginko tree in the world, the Christ the Redeemer statue,

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<v Speaker 1>and Rio de Jannaro, the Coney's Island or the Coney

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<v Speaker 1>Islands Wonder Wheel, uh, the Statue of Liberty, the Roman Colosseum,

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<v Speaker 1>and Nelson's column in Trafalgar Square all smaller than this Fatburg,

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<v Speaker 1>which is not even the largest Fatburg by a long shot.

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<v Speaker 1>And she also pointed out something in in her article

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<v Speaker 1>that was just an interesting phrasing of things that it's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of echo thoughts I'd been having as I was

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<v Speaker 1>reading about Fatburg's in in Hester's words quote, the chunky

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<v Speaker 1>gunky sewer cloggers are murky mirrors into the behaviors of

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<v Speaker 1>people above ground because they hold all the stuff we

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<v Speaker 1>flush and try to forget about, including cooking, grease, napkins, floss,

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<v Speaker 1>minstrel products which don't belong in the pipes in the

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<v Speaker 1>first place. So it's this idea of like these are

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the the places of all the things that

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<v Speaker 1>we want to just get out of our lives. It's,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the purging of convenience all becomes this mass. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and again it kind of it confronts us once more.

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<v Speaker 1>The horror is even greater because it is all it

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<v Speaker 1>is a it's it's congealed into this this massive form.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think maybe that is part of like the

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<v Speaker 1>psychological reason why people can't look away, Like why was

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<v Speaker 1>there a museum exhibit about these things where everybody wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to go see them? It's this fascinating, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>almost kind of freudy and feeling kind of thing, like

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<v Speaker 1>the suppressed part of our culture and civilization. It's what's

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<v Speaker 1>shoved down and covered up and not looked at, almost

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<v Speaker 1>out of a sense of shame, and it becomes this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And and a lot of our modern life is about

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<v Speaker 1>distancing ourselves from the reality of our waste, from the

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<v Speaker 1>reality of our dead things of this nature. So so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's it definitely speaks to us on that level. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we should turn to the question of how, like

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<v Speaker 1>how do simple bits of cooking oil and other fat

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<v Speaker 1>turn into these mighty slumbering beasts, the monsters of the

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<v Speaker 1>dungeon because it could seem almost magical right that it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's like this thing has become alive down there.

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<v Speaker 1>It is like one of these uh you know, they're

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<v Speaker 1>multiple uh uh you know, I think horror properties where

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of garbage monster come is alive, and it

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<v Speaker 1>basically fulfills the same purpose we're talking about here, to

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<v Speaker 1>confront us and to uh, you know, to to show

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<v Speaker 1>us the horrors of our of of of our you know,

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<v Speaker 1>disposable society. But but there's a very but the process

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<v Speaker 1>is happening here is not magical. It is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we can we can we can look at what is

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<v Speaker 1>happening chemically. Yeah. Uh so obviously there's one extremely simple

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<v Speaker 1>way that there are multiple ways here, but there's one

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<v Speaker 1>extremely simple way that fat can end up blocking sewer pipes,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's by congealing. Like if you ever cooked bacon,

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<v Speaker 1>cooked bacon in a pan, what happens, Well, the white

0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:39.600
<v Speaker 1>solid fat in the bacon in the animal flesh renders.

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<v Speaker 1>It turns into a fluid that runs around in the

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<v Speaker 1>pan like water, and it flows, so you can pour

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<v Speaker 1>it out, et cetera. You can pour it down the drain.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's only because it's hot. If you take that

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<v Speaker 1>bacon grease and you leave it out at room temperature,

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<v Speaker 1>you put it in the fridge, we all know what happens, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It turns into a kind of waxy solid and this

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<v Speaker 1>is large, right. Yeah, I guess the cure process of

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<v Speaker 1>bacon doesn't change that. Yeah. So it's pork fat either way. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And now not all fats can geal into solids or

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<v Speaker 1>semi solids at room temperature, but plenty do. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you melt this fat and then pour it down the

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<v Speaker 1>sink into cold pipes and wash it away, the cooling

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<v Speaker 1>fat forms a solid or semi solid mass that can

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<v Speaker 1>build up. It can coat surfaces and so forth, and

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<v Speaker 1>can of course block sewer pipes. So that that that's

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<v Speaker 1>like the simple version. That's just one way fat can

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<v Speaker 1>clog up your sewers. That one reason you don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to put it down there, right, And I think we

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<v Speaker 1>can all grasp that even if if you've ever washed

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<v Speaker 1>dishes before, you can get a sense of how, how

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening exactly. But this is actually not the main

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<v Speaker 1>piece of chemistry contributing to fat bergs. The truth is

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<v Speaker 1>actually weirder. Often the fats that we wash down the

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<v Speaker 1>drain essentially become soap. The chemical process is known as

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<v Speaker 1>saponification uh. This word comes from the Latin sapo, meaning

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<v Speaker 1>so And once a mass of fat gets washed down

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<v Speaker 1>the drain, it chemically breaks down into fatty acids, and

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<v Speaker 1>these fatty acids undergo a chemical reaction in the alkaline

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<v Speaker 1>environment of the sewer, combining with other elements and compounds,

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<v Speaker 1>often calcium, to form this calcified soap like deposit. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course, as we all know, soap can be pretty solid,

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<v Speaker 1>like you you don't want to get whacked with a

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<v Speaker 1>bar of soap in the bottom of sock. But it

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<v Speaker 1>gets even worse because calcified fat bergs build up a

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<v Speaker 1>real kind of rigidity. Like the workers who have to

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<v Speaker 1>cut them out sometimes compare them to concrete by the

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<v Speaker 1>time you have to go in and break them up. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know exactly what leads to all that.

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<v Speaker 1>It might be this forming of a solid mass and

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<v Speaker 1>then like the sort of compacting of time, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>thing of pressure just forcing it together. But the soap

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<v Speaker 1>like masses tend to form around solid pieces of trash

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<v Speaker 1>that get flushed down the toilet. So that's the other

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<v Speaker 1>major component we mentioned earlier. Like wet wipes are by

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<v Speaker 1>far the worst defender here. This is in all the

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<v Speaker 1>British press about this is just saying like, don't wash

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<v Speaker 1>fats and oils down the drain and don't flush wet wipes.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't flush wet wipes. Wet wipes are like the most

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<v Speaker 1>hated thing but the sewer workers. And that's of course

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, they're not designed industrially the way like

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<v Speaker 1>toilet paper is, which is made to break up when

0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:26.560
<v Speaker 1>it's in this aqueous environment. The wet wipes tend to

0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:28.600
<v Speaker 1>not break up. They stick together and they form a

0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:32.679
<v Speaker 1>sort of binding or substrate for this nightmare soap of

0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:34.960
<v Speaker 1>the deep on its way to becoming a berg. I mean,

0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:37.280
<v Speaker 1>it makes me think of the of the science stories

0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:42.359
<v Speaker 1>we've covered about uh creating artificial Say years we have

0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:45.680
<v Speaker 1>some sort of a scaffolding on which you're gonna you're

0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:48.200
<v Speaker 1>gonna build up like the you know, the collagen and

0:24:48.359 --> 0:24:51.760
<v Speaker 1>create this artificial piece of flesh. It's kind of like

0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:55.960
<v Speaker 1>that process taking place in a foul sewer. But imagine

0:24:56.040 --> 0:24:58.760
<v Speaker 1>that process is taking place where stuff just keeps flowing

0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:02.120
<v Speaker 1>into it, so it just keeps getting more solid material

0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:05.399
<v Speaker 1>like wet wipes and more like binding soap like fat

0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:09.280
<v Speaker 1>structure until it becomes an ear the size of the Hindenburg.

0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Another contributor to the fat bergs in the London sewers,

0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:16.320
<v Speaker 1>and not just the London sewers in other places, but

0:25:16.520 --> 0:25:20.480
<v Speaker 1>especially in London sewers is old rough brick surfaces. I'm

0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:23.840
<v Speaker 1>not positive, but I think the mechanism here is that

0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:28.800
<v Speaker 1>rough surfaces create more friction with the flowing water, and

0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:32.520
<v Speaker 1>this causes turbulence. Instead of flowing smoothly the water or

0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:34.840
<v Speaker 1>the you know, the sewage, it gets sort of churned

0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:38.000
<v Speaker 1>up and this interrupts the smooth flow and it gives

0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:41.720
<v Speaker 1>uh and and so it causes build up of solid matter.

0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:44.479
<v Speaker 1>But also I think the rough surfaces just sort of

0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:47.760
<v Speaker 1>give the wet wipes and other trash little crags to

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:50.040
<v Speaker 1>catch on, and then of course once they catch on,

0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:52.560
<v Speaker 1>other things can catch onto them, and it just builds

0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:55.480
<v Speaker 1>up from there. Yeah. And and also so these soap

0:25:55.560 --> 0:25:59.200
<v Speaker 1>like masses are not water soluble, meaning they're not dissolved

0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:01.800
<v Speaker 1>by water, so they're not gonna over time just like

0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:04.159
<v Speaker 1>break up and wash away with the flow of the

0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:07.480
<v Speaker 1>sewer water. They just sit there and they build up

0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:10.360
<v Speaker 1>and they grow too mescent with new waste and trash

0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:13.840
<v Speaker 1>and layers of soapy solids made out of fat, until

0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:17.200
<v Speaker 1>somebody finally goes down there to slay the dragon. And

0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:19.880
<v Speaker 1>as we discussed, of course the battles of the flushers,

0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:22.719
<v Speaker 1>you have to you physically break these things up and

0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:26.080
<v Speaker 1>remove them. Yeah, again with things like pick axes and saws,

0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:29.280
<v Speaker 1>because it is almost like concrete, you know, it's not

0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:32.439
<v Speaker 1>just this big, you know, gross sewer jelly that you

0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:34.840
<v Speaker 1>just need to sort of, you know, flush a little

0:26:34.840 --> 0:26:36.840
<v Speaker 1>bit more, you know, just spray with water and you

0:26:36.880 --> 0:26:38.600
<v Speaker 1>know you'll get it done. A plunger is not going

0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:41.280
<v Speaker 1>to do it. Now. In some cases, I do think

0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:43.800
<v Speaker 1>these like water jet hoses can be used to cut

0:26:43.840 --> 0:26:45.840
<v Speaker 1>it up. They just, at least in the one case

0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:47.880
<v Speaker 1>I was reading about, they weren't quite doing the job

0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:50.920
<v Speaker 1>and they had to resort to the old ways. Also,

0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:53.199
<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to do a little side note on

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<v Speaker 1>sepontification because what's happening here in the sewers is not

0:26:56.840 --> 0:27:00.520
<v Speaker 1>exactly the same as but it's somewhat analogous to, uh,

0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:03.480
<v Speaker 1>something that I'm very interested in that occasionally happens to

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:07.800
<v Speaker 1>human bodies in certain burial conditions. Robert, have you been

0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:11.000
<v Speaker 1>to the Mooder Museum in Philadelphia. I haven't. I've never

0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:14.760
<v Speaker 1>visited Philly. Yeah, I haven't been, but I've wanted to

0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:17.399
<v Speaker 1>for a long time. So they've got an exhibit, or

0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:19.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know about an exhibit. They've got a thing

0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:22.960
<v Speaker 1>at the Modern Museum that is a human body. It's

0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:25.520
<v Speaker 1>known as the Soap Lady. And do you know the

0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:28.159
<v Speaker 1>soap Lady. No, but I'm already horrified because I know

0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:31.160
<v Speaker 1>enough about the mood Museum to know that a soap

0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:33.240
<v Speaker 1>lady there is going to be a site to behold.

0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:35.280
<v Speaker 1>I think they've got a soap lady and a soap man.

0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:38.080
<v Speaker 1>I've primarily read about the soap Lady, so those two

0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:41.480
<v Speaker 1>should mean exactly. So. It was originally believed that she

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:43.720
<v Speaker 1>was a woman who had lived in Philadelphia in the

0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:46.960
<v Speaker 1>eighteenth century and had died of yellow fever sometime in

0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:50.400
<v Speaker 1>the seventeen nineties. But in nineteen eighty six they did

0:27:50.440 --> 0:27:53.840
<v Speaker 1>some X rays of the body of the Soap Lady

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:56.919
<v Speaker 1>and this revealed that she was wearing clothes with like

0:27:57.080 --> 0:28:00.600
<v Speaker 1>buttons and pins that weren't manufactured in the US until

0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:03.040
<v Speaker 1>around the eighteen thirties, So it's now believed that she

0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:05.919
<v Speaker 1>must have died later than was originally believed, but whenever

0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:09.760
<v Speaker 1>she died. In eighteen seventy five, her body was exhumed

0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:12.880
<v Speaker 1>from a local cemetery, and it was discovered that the

0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:18.800
<v Speaker 1>corpse was encased almost entirely in a solid soap like substance,

0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:22.919
<v Speaker 1>and that she was essentially a soap mummy. If you

0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:25.560
<v Speaker 1>look at pictures of her, she looks like a mummy.

0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:28.399
<v Speaker 1>She looks like some of these uh, like you know,

0:28:28.440 --> 0:28:32.480
<v Speaker 1>sort of dried mummified, preserved corpses that you might find

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:34.480
<v Speaker 1>in the case of some of like the Andean mummies.

0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Um except that she has except that, like her features

0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:41.760
<v Speaker 1>are less defined, and she's got a bunch of extra

0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:44.880
<v Speaker 1>stuff around the outside of her body, like almost like

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:48.560
<v Speaker 1>she's encased in some kind of concrete or something, but

0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:52.960
<v Speaker 1>it's not concrete. This substance in reality is something kind

0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:55.520
<v Speaker 1>of like soap. It's not exactly so, but it's something

0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:59.440
<v Speaker 1>known as adipus here, also sometimes referred to as corpse

0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:02.920
<v Speaker 1>wax or grave wax. Now, I do think I remember

0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:06.000
<v Speaker 1>reading about this like years and years past and some

0:29:06.520 --> 0:29:10.680
<v Speaker 1>you know texts on decomposition. Uh yeah, there there's some

0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:15.360
<v Speaker 1>interesting stories about the role of grave wax in uh in. Like, so,

0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 1>one thing that corpse wax does when it forms around

0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:20.920
<v Speaker 1>a body is that it can help preserve some of

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:24.960
<v Speaker 1>the elements within um. And this like keeps corpses from

0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:28.200
<v Speaker 1>decaying like they would normally. And so the formation of

0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:30.560
<v Speaker 1>adapas here, I do believe, is it's chemically considered a

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 1>form of suppontification, like what's happening with the fat bergs

0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:38.440
<v Speaker 1>and the sewers. Adapas are is this waxy substance that

0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:42.719
<v Speaker 1>sometimes forms around dead bodies since they decay, particularly in

0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:47.200
<v Speaker 1>certain kinds of burial conditions. And these environments tend to

0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:50.080
<v Speaker 1>be alkaline, you know, like the the opposite of acidic.

0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:53.400
<v Speaker 1>They tend to be anaerobic, meaning without access to air,

0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:57.560
<v Speaker 1>and they tend to be warm and moist, which are

0:29:57.720 --> 0:30:00.520
<v Speaker 1>just you know that generally sounds like the kind of

0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:03.080
<v Speaker 1>environments you don't want to bury bodies. But you know,

0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:05.920
<v Speaker 1>some soil is like that. And and and I'm guessing

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:07.640
<v Speaker 1>at least some of these are gonna gonna match up

0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 1>with with sewer scenarios. And we've talked before about some

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:14.120
<v Speaker 1>of the the organisms that can grow in a sewer

0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:18.160
<v Speaker 1>environment that really thrive in a in a like a

0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:22.600
<v Speaker 1>low oxygen environment. Yeah, exactly, So freshly formed adipas here

0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:26.240
<v Speaker 1>can be kind of soft and waxy, but older adipas

0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:29.760
<v Speaker 1>here can more closely resemble something like concrete. I was

0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 1>reading a Live Science article about this by Wynn Perry,

0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 1>and the author quotes an anthropologist from North Carolina State

0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:39.760
<v Speaker 1>University named Anne Ross, and she says, quote, a lot

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:42.600
<v Speaker 1>of people say it's greasy. I always think of it

0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:47.360
<v Speaker 1>like a thick cottage cheese consistency, because it's kind of lumpy. Also,

0:30:49.840 --> 0:30:52.720
<v Speaker 1>so maybe not the grave wax of the grave soap,

0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:55.800
<v Speaker 1>but the grave cottage cheese, cottage cheese of the dead,

0:30:55.960 --> 0:31:00.000
<v Speaker 1>the corpse cheese. Alright, well, on that grotesque note, let's

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:01.840
<v Speaker 1>one more break, and when we come back, we have

0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:05.760
<v Speaker 1>some other fatburg facts to roll through, and uh, you know,

0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:08.040
<v Speaker 1>maybe we'll talk to us a little bit about about

0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:13.600
<v Speaker 1>the sewer monster movies at the end of the episode. Alright,

0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:18.080
<v Speaker 1>we're back, Okay, so quite clearly, uh, these things you

0:31:18.120 --> 0:31:20.160
<v Speaker 1>don't want fat Bergs in your sewers, and yet they

0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:23.440
<v Speaker 1>form in sewers under cities all over the world. It's

0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:26.680
<v Speaker 1>happening all the time because of this combination of like

0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:30.400
<v Speaker 1>stuff that people shouldn't flush and fats and oils going

0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:33.600
<v Speaker 1>down the drain, which I guess both variations of the

0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:35.520
<v Speaker 1>same thing. You know, stuff that you shouldn't put down

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:38.160
<v Speaker 1>the drain is going down the drain. Uh. And in

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>the article I mentioned earlier in New Scientist Kelly Oaks

0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:45.240
<v Speaker 1>refers to a University College Dublin professor named Tom Curran

0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:49.200
<v Speaker 1>who is who works in this field, and he says

0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:52.280
<v Speaker 1>that the major factors contributing to a sort of recent

0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 1>increase in fatburg incidents in London are of course like

0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:58.800
<v Speaker 1>a larger populations in cities, so it's just more people

0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:03.160
<v Speaker 1>washing more stuff down rains. Aging sewers contribute a lot.

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 1>One factor is more dining out at restaurants, because it

0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:09.200
<v Speaker 1>appears that restaurants are responsible for a huge amount of

0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:11.560
<v Speaker 1>the fats and oils that go down the drain. You know,

0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:13.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, I would have thought it would be more

0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:16.960
<v Speaker 1>regulated with the restaurants. Apparently it's Uh. In the UK,

0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:20.120
<v Speaker 1>at least it is not as regulated as some people

0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:21.560
<v Speaker 1>think it should be or I don't know if that's

0:32:21.640 --> 0:32:23.560
<v Speaker 1>changed recently. In the articles I was reading from the

0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:27.040
<v Speaker 1>past couple of years, it's I think there's a problem

0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:31.320
<v Speaker 1>with like last lack of specificity in regulations, Like there

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:35.200
<v Speaker 1>are regulations that say restaurants aren't supposed to wash anything

0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:37.920
<v Speaker 1>down the drain that would be harmful to the sewer system,

0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:41.040
<v Speaker 1>but like it doesn't specifically say don't wash fats and

0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:44.600
<v Speaker 1>oils down the drain, okay, And then the other big

0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:46.720
<v Speaker 1>thing is, of course trashally goes down the drain. But

0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:49.200
<v Speaker 1>there's you know, as we've already said, there's like one

0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:52.600
<v Speaker 1>huge culprit here that's like of the problem, and it's

0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:55.400
<v Speaker 1>wet wipes. It just seems like that one would be

0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:57.800
<v Speaker 1>an easier one to knock. It seems like that would

0:32:57.840 --> 0:33:00.520
<v Speaker 1>be something we could solve. Is like, if you use

0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:02.239
<v Speaker 1>a wet white no matter what you used it for,

0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:04.960
<v Speaker 1>no matter how defoul it is, just put it in

0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:11.120
<v Speaker 1>a garbage can. Like maybe maybe it's easier because you

0:33:11.360 --> 0:33:13.080
<v Speaker 1>go to something you know, you travel to, you know,

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:16.800
<v Speaker 1>to certain parts of the world where the sewer system

0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:19.600
<v Speaker 1>can't even handle toilet paper, and you get used to

0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:21.560
<v Speaker 1>it you know, like at first it may seem a

0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:24.000
<v Speaker 1>little weird, like, oh, you know, I must wipe and

0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:27.520
<v Speaker 1>then put the toilet paper into a receptacle. Uh. You know,

0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:30.520
<v Speaker 1>it runs against what you've been doing, but you get

0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:33.680
<v Speaker 1>used to it and it becomes the new normal. I

0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:35.640
<v Speaker 1>didn't even know that was the thing. Oh yeah, I

0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 1>mean you travel. Um, it just depends on the on

0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:44.280
<v Speaker 1>the sewage system. And yes, some just can't handle the paper. Um.

0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:47.520
<v Speaker 1>So you know, it's it's it's asking even less I

0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:49.960
<v Speaker 1>feel to say, look, just you have a wet wipe.

0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:52.320
<v Speaker 1>I know you just used it on some disgusting part

0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:55.640
<v Speaker 1>of like a two year old body, but you know

0:33:56.000 --> 0:33:58.720
<v Speaker 1>you just put in the garbage. Apparently, so I was

0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:01.560
<v Speaker 1>reading in the same article that you know, there are

0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:05.520
<v Speaker 1>there are things that have proved effective, and it's essentially

0:34:05.560 --> 0:34:09.239
<v Speaker 1>regulating the stuff we're talking about. It's like regulating what

0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:11.800
<v Speaker 1>restaurants can put down the drain and putting grease traps

0:34:11.840 --> 0:34:14.719
<v Speaker 1>in place and all that, but then also doing like

0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:18.040
<v Speaker 1>public education campaigns to get people to not put anything

0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:20.400
<v Speaker 1>in the toilet other than human waste and toilet paper,

0:34:20.880 --> 0:34:23.840
<v Speaker 1>and that this has been effective and like doubling already.

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:27.839
<v Speaker 1>But it's it hasn't been effective enough everywhere, And I

0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 1>wonder if the problem is that, I mean, I would

0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:34.880
<v Speaker 1>hope that in a campaign against Fatburg, somebody has created,

0:34:35.560 --> 0:34:40.000
<v Speaker 1>with practical effects and costuming, an anthropomorphic fat Burg creature,

0:34:40.560 --> 0:34:43.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, or even like a you know, like thinking

0:34:43.239 --> 0:34:46.440
<v Speaker 1>about when I know we both love good like paranormal

0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:50.680
<v Speaker 1>cops ploitation films from years past, like Maniac Cop and

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:53.000
<v Speaker 1>so forth. And there was that cool trailer from what

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:56.319
<v Speaker 1>was it, melt Cop or something. Yeah, like they could

0:34:56.360 --> 0:34:59.120
<v Speaker 1>make Fatburg cop and so Fatburg copy. Is this like

0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:04.520
<v Speaker 1>anthropomorphic Fatberg in a police uniform that it comes to

0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:07.960
<v Speaker 1>your apartment or your restaurant and chastises you for your

0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:13.799
<v Speaker 1>destructive ways. Fatberg Cop versus Flukeman the next big crossover hit.

0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:15.879
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, or they're they're buddy It's a buddy cop.

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:19.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah. Wait, this is making Fatberg's the hero as

0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:21.440
<v Speaker 1>you're doing it backwards, one of the fat Burg in

0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:25.280
<v Speaker 1>the same way that the Fatburg confronts us Fatburg becomes

0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:27.480
<v Speaker 1>the hero, like he's a cop made out of Fatberg,

0:35:27.800 --> 0:35:31.160
<v Speaker 1>raising consciousness about the need to destroy his own kind. Well,

0:35:31.200 --> 0:35:35.200
<v Speaker 1>no he's not, you know, he's like Uh, he didn't

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:37.239
<v Speaker 1>want to be in fatberg form. You know. Maybe I

0:35:37.239 --> 0:35:39.000
<v Speaker 1>don't know, maybe he was previously human. I don't know,

0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:41.800
<v Speaker 1>maybe he took on human consciousness. Maybe it's kind of

0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:45.120
<v Speaker 1>a you know, a swamp things swampman kind of a scenario.

0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:51.560
<v Speaker 1>Why don't they look? But I mean, it can be

0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:53.719
<v Speaker 1>hard to get people to behave you know, it's like

0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:57.200
<v Speaker 1>it's just usually pretty easy to get away with flushing

0:35:57.200 --> 0:35:59.880
<v Speaker 1>and draining things you shouldn't because who's going to catch you?

0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Something that is momentarily your problem is now just gone,

0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:07.240
<v Speaker 1>it's purged, and it becomes instead like a small part

0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:10.520
<v Speaker 1>of a big problem that is everybody's problem. It's not

0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:13.560
<v Speaker 1>your problem right now, right. And of course this, I

0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:16.480
<v Speaker 1>mean there's so many other things, uh, in the world

0:36:16.520 --> 0:36:18.880
<v Speaker 1>that can fall into this category. This is the tragedy

0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:21.000
<v Speaker 1>of the commons. I mean, it's you know, people have

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<v Speaker 1>shared common resources that they all need. The biggest one

0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:28.240
<v Speaker 1>probably is like the natural environment. It's you know, supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be something that is of common access to everyone,

0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:34.759
<v Speaker 1>but in fact there are individual actors who over exploit

0:36:34.880 --> 0:36:38.320
<v Speaker 1>and foul and cause damage to this common resource resource

0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:42.000
<v Speaker 1>that should be shared by everybody. Because it's momentarily convenient

0:36:42.040 --> 0:36:44.359
<v Speaker 1>for them and they can get away with it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most crucial flaws in human psychology that

0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:49.759
<v Speaker 1>we exploit common resources this way and in that way.

0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:52.400
<v Speaker 1>I do think we should think about sewers as a

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<v Speaker 1>type of commons, just like we would think about like

0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:57.759
<v Speaker 1>the oceans, the rivers, the air, the environment. Sewers are

0:36:58.160 --> 0:37:01.480
<v Speaker 1>a common shared resource among all the people who use them,

0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:04.440
<v Speaker 1>and should be treated as such, even though it's definitely

0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:06.279
<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing where we don't want to think

0:37:06.280 --> 0:37:07.680
<v Speaker 1>about it and we try not to think about it

0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:10.880
<v Speaker 1>unless it's broken. Right. Well, Apparently, when the London Museum

0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:13.759
<v Speaker 1>was running this Fatburg exhibit, it had a plaque on

0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:17.239
<v Speaker 1>the wall that read as follows the size and foulness

0:37:17.239 --> 0:37:20.800
<v Speaker 1>of fat bergs makes them impossible to ignore and reminds

0:37:20.920 --> 0:37:23.960
<v Speaker 1>us of our failings that they do. It seems like

0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:26.600
<v Speaker 1>something that should be inscribed over like the I don't know,

0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:29.399
<v Speaker 1>over over the door of like a Puritan church from

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:33.040
<v Speaker 1>the seventeen hundreds. But I should also point out I

0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:36.000
<v Speaker 1>was reading that. Uh, at the same museum exhibit they

0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:39.960
<v Speaker 1>sold something called fat burg fudge. I guess this was

0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:42.759
<v Speaker 1>in the museum cafe, they'd have to have something like

0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:44.560
<v Speaker 1>in the cafe or the gift shot to line up

0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:48.360
<v Speaker 1>with it. Literally a sweet treat modeled on a fatburg

0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:54.320
<v Speaker 1>brick with raisins to represent flies. You know we mentioned earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that, of course London isn't the only city

0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:58.680
<v Speaker 1>to have to deal with this. Obviously, there are other

0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:02.840
<v Speaker 1>large metropolitan area uh that that are plagued by fat burgs.

0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:06.840
<v Speaker 1>And I was reading ant Geo article titled huge Blobs

0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:09.279
<v Speaker 1>of Fat and Trash or Filling the World Sewers by

0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Erica Inglehop, and this was a really nice article as well,

0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:17.600
<v Speaker 1>if I remember correctly. The lead UH said that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in one part of the city, someone flushes a wet wipe,

0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:22.320
<v Speaker 1>and another part of the city someone flushes some oil.

0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:25.440
<v Speaker 1>When those two meet, a baby fat burg is born.

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<v Speaker 1>So I I applaud the the writing in this article.

0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:34.080
<v Speaker 1>But angle Hop points out that in New York City,

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<v Speaker 1>according to the city's two thousand sixteen State of the

0:38:37.600 --> 0:38:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Sewers Report, Greece causes seventy one of sewer backups in

0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:44.520
<v Speaker 1>the city. Uh. And then and and as a and

0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:47.879
<v Speaker 1>as a result, New York City spends eighteen million spent

0:38:47.960 --> 0:38:51.719
<v Speaker 1>eighteen million dollars over a five year period fighting fatburgs.

0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:55.200
<v Speaker 1>But even in smaller U. S cities you can see, um,

0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:57.919
<v Speaker 1>you know, the local government having to blow like half

0:38:57.960 --> 0:39:01.040
<v Speaker 1>a million dollars a year to battle these build ups.

0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:04.640
<v Speaker 1>And uh. Another interesting thing that ingle Hop pointed out though,

0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:08.719
<v Speaker 1>was that, um, there was a particular River Thames project

0:39:09.040 --> 0:39:14.759
<v Speaker 1>with argent Energy uh to potentially harvest fat burgs and

0:39:14.800 --> 0:39:18.120
<v Speaker 1>turn them into renewable fuel. And this is pretty sensible

0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:19.720
<v Speaker 1>if you think about it. I mean, all that oil

0:39:19.840 --> 0:39:22.440
<v Speaker 1>going down the drains, uh, you know, it should be

0:39:22.480 --> 0:39:25.440
<v Speaker 1>going somewhere else, such as in the case of restaurants,

0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:28.879
<v Speaker 1>into grease traps um which are and and sometimes grease

0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:31.799
<v Speaker 1>traps are are pilfered for this very reason because their

0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:35.520
<v Speaker 1>contents are valuable in a sense. Uh and and and

0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:37.840
<v Speaker 1>there are also parts of the world where you know,

0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:41.920
<v Speaker 1>essentially sewer oil is is reclaimed and sort of sold

0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 1>on the black market, you know, kind like sewer oil.

0:39:45.080 --> 0:39:47.399
<v Speaker 1>But I think this has been done with some of

0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:50.120
<v Speaker 1>the British fat bergs. I don't think all of them,

0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:52.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm not sure, but yeah, I think at some

0:39:52.239 --> 0:39:54.640
<v Speaker 1>point some of them have become biofuel. Yeah, I mean,

0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:57.960
<v Speaker 1>and it seems like a logical alternative to the typical

0:39:58.000 --> 0:39:59.880
<v Speaker 1>fates for a fat burg which are I mean it

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<v Speaker 1>if you except for the rare pieces that go to

0:40:01.840 --> 0:40:04.720
<v Speaker 1>the museum to become art, uh you know, other stuff,

0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:07.319
<v Speaker 1>it's either being hauled off to a landfill or it's

0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:11.440
<v Speaker 1>broken up so as to better diffuse into the sewer system. Um.

0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:14.400
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, to whatever extent you could. I mean, obviously,

0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:16.440
<v Speaker 1>you want to prevent the fat bird to begin with.

0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:19.760
<v Speaker 1>You don't want to have to toil with it. Um.

0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:20.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, even if you get to the point where

0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:23.200
<v Speaker 1>you could send a robot down to battle the fat birds,

0:40:23.200 --> 0:40:26.319
<v Speaker 1>it's you still gotta you know, haul it up uh

0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:28.400
<v Speaker 1>and all, and then potentially hauled off to a landfill.

0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:29.960
<v Speaker 1>But if it could be turned into fuel, if it

0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:33.920
<v Speaker 1>could you know, uh, power the Deloreans the future, then

0:40:33.960 --> 0:40:35.719
<v Speaker 1>that sounds like the way to go. Well. I do

0:40:35.800 --> 0:40:38.040
<v Speaker 1>think it is a good idea to turn these things

0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:40.600
<v Speaker 1>as long as they are still being made into fuel.

0:40:41.000 --> 0:40:43.839
<v Speaker 1>But don't don't get distracted by that as like an

0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:46.120
<v Speaker 1>excuse to Okay, so it's not so bad if we

0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:48.960
<v Speaker 1>keep making them because they turn into fuel, right, right.

0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:51.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, because again, the stewer systems are not made

0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:55.040
<v Speaker 1>for fat birds. Like if you I guess, if you

0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:57.879
<v Speaker 1>reach the situation where you're like, look, we refuse to learn,

0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:02.720
<v Speaker 1>we're not gonna stop rushing oil and wet wipes, then okay,

0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:05.560
<v Speaker 1>you could conceivably imagine a scenario where the sewer systems

0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:09.040
<v Speaker 1>have to be redesigned in order to um, you know,

0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:14.719
<v Speaker 1>sequester fat bergs for harvesting. But they're not built like that,

0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:17.080
<v Speaker 1>and they're probably not going to be rebuilt like that,

0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:21.160
<v Speaker 1>and it's ultimately an easier prospect to just change how

0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:23.480
<v Speaker 1>we're handling the things that we're sending down into the sewer.

0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:26.120
<v Speaker 1>This is going to become some crack pop political parties

0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:29.759
<v Speaker 1>energy platform, and they're saying all this talk about you know,

0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:32.959
<v Speaker 1>green energy. What you do is you pour oil down

0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:36.919
<v Speaker 1>the drain all day, our energy problems are solved. I'm

0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:39.080
<v Speaker 1>not super up on British politics. Is there a fat

0:41:39.120 --> 0:41:41.399
<v Speaker 1>bird party? Yet? I know that the new parties get

0:41:41.520 --> 0:41:44.759
<v Speaker 1>get formed here and there. Um, I can't heard about it,

0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:49.000
<v Speaker 1>but I'm sure. I mean, like all issues, especially issues

0:41:49.040 --> 0:41:52.480
<v Speaker 1>in fact that have to do with people exploiting or

0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:56.000
<v Speaker 1>ruining the commons for everybody. These issues often do get

0:41:56.080 --> 0:41:59.839
<v Speaker 1>like politically polarized because it's advantageous for somebody to do that.

0:42:00.280 --> 0:42:02.879
<v Speaker 1>And this is why we need fat bird cop out

0:42:02.880 --> 0:42:04.960
<v Speaker 1>there on the beat, in the in the you know,

0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:08.520
<v Speaker 1>at least in the eyes of the public, in the messaging, uh,

0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:13.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, confronting us, chastising us far aways, um and

0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:16.000
<v Speaker 1>and and but I mean, I mean that's seriously because

0:42:16.040 --> 0:42:17.719
<v Speaker 1>I think, like, for my part, like one of the

0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:22.040
<v Speaker 1>reasons that the other reasons that fat birds are so captivating, uh,

0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:25.279
<v Speaker 1>in addition to all the grotesque photos and footage that

0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:28.000
<v Speaker 1>shows up. I saw one article is like a video

0:42:28.440 --> 0:42:31.840
<v Speaker 1>based article online that the title was something along the

0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:34.960
<v Speaker 1>lines of the moment when a rat crawls out of

0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:37.640
<v Speaker 1>the fat bird, and that was apparently the footage of

0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:41.840
<v Speaker 1>the like a live rat swarming out of fat bird. Um.

0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:43.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, so we can't look away from the grotesque

0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:46.839
<v Speaker 1>nature of them. But then also you the sewers are

0:42:46.880 --> 0:42:49.759
<v Speaker 1>this unique location where there have been a number of

0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:53.600
<v Speaker 1>notable films over the years that populate the sewers with monsters,

0:42:54.040 --> 0:42:57.759
<v Speaker 1>be it you know, Chud's or or you know or

0:42:57.880 --> 0:43:01.520
<v Speaker 1>or or Cannibals is in the Bridge ash film Raw Meat, Well,

0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:03.560
<v Speaker 1>I guess that was a subway system, but still an

0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:06.480
<v Speaker 1>environment stuff in Ghostbusters too, I think, yeah, the river

0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:08.480
<v Speaker 1>of slime flowing out of New York City, that's a

0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:13.000
<v Speaker 1>big one for me. But also definitely the Blob at

0:43:13.040 --> 0:43:16.600
<v Speaker 1>least remake kind of lot of like uh, you know,

0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:19.920
<v Speaker 1>under I think there was like these sewer system Shenanigan's

0:43:19.960 --> 0:43:22.640
<v Speaker 1>there with the blob, you know, ripping through the sewer

0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:25.080
<v Speaker 1>and attacking people. Yeah, and it definitely came up through

0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:30.799
<v Speaker 1>the drains. So it's I feel like the fat Berg

0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:34.600
<v Speaker 1>reminds us of these monstrosities as well, except there they're

0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:37.680
<v Speaker 1>not fantasy, they're real, uh you know, they just don't

0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:41.680
<v Speaker 1>actually assault us, try to digestue well. I feel like

0:43:41.719 --> 0:43:45.520
<v Speaker 1>some of these, especially Ghostbusters too. Yeah, it does bring

0:43:45.520 --> 0:43:47.680
<v Speaker 1>in some of that same metaphor stuff we were talking

0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:50.440
<v Speaker 1>about earlier about you know, like it it's all the

0:43:50.640 --> 0:43:52.600
<v Speaker 1>bad things we don't want to think about and all

0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:55.120
<v Speaker 1>the negative energies that that is what was feeding the

0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:57.760
<v Speaker 1>slime and Ghostbusters too, right, it was like Prince Vigo

0:43:58.239 --> 0:44:01.160
<v Speaker 1>and just New Yorkers being jerk. That's kind of weird

0:44:01.200 --> 0:44:04.239
<v Speaker 1>for a sequel to a movie in which an e

0:44:04.360 --> 0:44:08.799
<v Speaker 1>P A representative was a villain. But there you go.

0:44:09.600 --> 0:44:15.240
<v Speaker 1>It's a different time. Ghostbusters a bravely pro littering movie.

0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Al Right, Well, there you have it. A fat Bergs

0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:22.760
<v Speaker 1>for you. Now. Obviously, if anyone out there has direct

0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:26.279
<v Speaker 1>experience with fat Bergs or any other strange monstrosities in

0:44:26.280 --> 0:44:29.520
<v Speaker 1>our sewer systems, let us know. I feel like, just

0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:32.239
<v Speaker 1>thinking about the sheer number of listeners and just all

0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:35.520
<v Speaker 1>the you know, the diverse backgrounds that you all have,

0:44:35.960 --> 0:44:39.160
<v Speaker 1>somebody out there has had to have battled the fat bird.

0:44:39.320 --> 0:44:41.560
<v Speaker 1>We've got a first hand flusher in the audience. I

0:44:41.640 --> 0:44:43.759
<v Speaker 1>know it. Yeah, it's just a matter of getting you

0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:45.959
<v Speaker 1>to write in and tell us about it. Uh So,

0:44:46.640 --> 0:44:49.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, if so, do right in and tell us

0:44:49.160 --> 0:44:51.880
<v Speaker 1>about it. And also just if there's some sort of

0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:56.080
<v Speaker 1>sewer monster movie that we've failed to reference, uh yeah,

0:44:56.440 --> 0:44:58.640
<v Speaker 1>hit us up on that as well. We're always happy

0:44:58.640 --> 0:45:00.920
<v Speaker 1>to cha out about movies. And hey, if you're if

0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:04.320
<v Speaker 1>you're an artist, maybe you can create uh an image

0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:07.080
<v Speaker 1>of fat bird cop because I feel like you'd be

0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:09.959
<v Speaker 1>not only amusing us and amusing other listeners, you would

0:45:09.960 --> 0:45:13.440
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0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:16.080
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