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Speaker 1: What time is it game Time? I don't think a
Speaker 1: lot of teams now that I look at and don't
Speaker 1: at least have a feel for them. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think one of the harder teams for me to get
Speaker 1: my arms around is the Arizona Cardinals. Yesterday, I thought
Speaker 1: they would be really tough on San Francisco and they were,
Speaker 1: but I thought they would be really tough at home
Speaker 1: against Washington and we're not competitive Arizona to me, and
Speaker 1: I think this is a lot of Kyler Murray's personality. Boy,
Speaker 1: they can be really tough, beat themselves, inconsistent, but man,
Speaker 1: Arizona week to week can be really tough. Buffalo has
Speaker 1: a little bit of that feel where I just I'm
Speaker 1: not quite sure what I'm getting a lot of it
Speaker 1: depends on who's healthy and who's not Buffalo in Arizona,
Speaker 1: and I think Buffalo is a better team, better organization
Speaker 1: top to bottom. Those two teams, I kind of sit
Speaker 1: and watch. I get a feel for him. By the
Speaker 1: end of the first quarter, What am I gonna get?
Speaker 1: Josh Allen wasn't his day. You could sense it didn't
Speaker 1: have a slot receiver, was off, it was on the road,
Speaker 1: got banged up later. Buffalo, I think it's the best team.
Speaker 1: I picked them to win their division. In fact, in
Speaker 1: the AFC right now, I had Buffalo, Kansas City, Houston
Speaker 1: and Baltimore winning their division. So I'm right there. Atlanta
Speaker 1: is good. Denver's the surprise team. I think we got
Speaker 1: that right. Washington I thought would be one of the
Speaker 1: surprise teams. I have no feel for the NFC West
Speaker 1: at all. I think the Rams are injury plagued. San
Speaker 1: Francisco's peaked. Seattle's got a good roster, but it's Gino Smith.
Speaker 1: I think Arizona week to week can be just a
Speaker 1: scintillating team, had a chance to win it. Buffalo gave
Speaker 1: them fits early beat San Francisco. I just they're one
Speaker 1: of the few teams I don't I can't track. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure. But I also think we talked about this
Speaker 1: a few years ago. There was a very good quarterback
Speaker 1: class that had Jalen Hurts and Joe Burrow and Herbert
Speaker 1: and Tuey. They hit in a lot of guys. I
Speaker 1: think this quarterback class, Caleb and Jayden, Daniels and bow
Speaker 1: Nicks all look like they can play. Now. New England's
Speaker 1: offensive line is so bad and they're so inept offensively.
Speaker 1: Do you play Drake May do you not? I'm okay
Speaker 1: with either. I don't have a strong feeling. Michael Pennix
Speaker 1: I think will be good. But it does look like
Speaker 1: bo Jaden Daniels and Kayla Williams can play. That's three hits,
Speaker 1: and I think Pennix will eventually. He may not play
Speaker 1: until next year. He may not play for two years,
Speaker 1: but I think he can play if he stays healthy.
Speaker 1: And JJ McCarthy across your fingers, if he can beat
Speaker 1: out Sam Darnold. But the more of these guys that hit,
Speaker 1: the better football is. Because you're watching New Orleans tonight.
Speaker 1: I mean, Kansas City made that game watchable. How's Miami
Speaker 1: without Tua? It's hard to watch. Seattle has all that talent.
Speaker 1: They're a tough watch depending on the weekend. You know,
Speaker 1: Gino Smith is now oh and five. I went and
Speaker 1: looked it up tonight. Owen five officially against San Francisco.
Speaker 1: He never plays particularly well. No, he didn't have a
Speaker 1: run game tonight, whereas Brock Purty did have a run game.
Speaker 1: But he's been sacked fifteen times, four touchdowns, five picks,
Speaker 1: mid eighties passer writing against San Francisco. And that's a
Speaker 1: real deal. Is that you know you can? I mean
Speaker 1: it's okay if Lamar Jackson loses to Kansas City. Everybody's
Speaker 1: losing to Kansas City and Mahomes and Andy Reid. But
Speaker 1: you gotta beat those divisional foes. Brady owned the AFC East,
Speaker 1: Big Ben for years owned Cincinnati and Cleveland, and Gino
Speaker 1: just doesn't play well against his rivals. So right now
Speaker 1: you have Brock perties better than Geno. Kyler Murray's better
Speaker 1: than Geno, and Matt Stafford in divisions, better than Geno Smith.
Speaker 1: Seattle's got the fourth best quarterback in division. Listen the
Speaker 1: Darnold story, the Baker story, the Geno story of redemption.
Speaker 1: I love, but Sam and Baker better than Gino. He's
Speaker 1: number three on that list. So I thought Seattle should
Speaker 1: have taken a quarterback in last year's draft. I would
Speaker 1: have got after Michael Pennock's local kid and had his
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, Coach Grubb, who's now the OC of the Seahawks.
Speaker 1: But Atlanta gets him. So and I also think they
Speaker 1: have to consider moving Maybe a DK metcalf, I just
Speaker 1: I don't know. It doesn't I thought al Michaels hit
Speaker 1: on it tonight, or maybe it was kirkirb Street. DK
Speaker 1: sometimes doesn't feel engaged catching the ball with his body.
Speaker 1: I just I just you get the occasional slash plays,
Speaker 1: but I just don't feel like he's always engaged. And
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes players just get tired of teams and environments,
Speaker 1: and I don't know. There's a lot of receivers on
Speaker 1: an annual basis from college to pro. I think DK
Speaker 1: is a really good player, explosive. Somebody would be interested.
Speaker 1: But that just feels like you could move off it
Speaker 1: and garner a good draft pick, and that draft pick
Speaker 1: you could use to move up because Seattle's gonna win
Speaker 1: some games this year. As soon as their defensive line
Speaker 1: gets healthy, they're gonna win some games. They won't be
Speaker 1: a top seven or eight drafting team. So if you
Speaker 1: have to move up, you have to give up, you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of seconds, a couple of thirds, whatever you
Speaker 1: got to do to move up. But I think Seattle
Speaker 1: needs to go get a quarterback. You cannot have the
Speaker 1: fourth best quarterback in the division right now. Gino again tonight,
Speaker 1: a couple of picks thirty to fifty one. He's a
Speaker 1: better story than he has. A quarterback. Donald this year
Speaker 1: is a great story, and so it's Baker, but they're
Speaker 1: also a really good quarterbacks. Currently, last two weeks, Seattle's
Speaker 1: been dominated time of possession, So you know when you
Speaker 1: fall into these big holes. They already were competitive, even
Speaker 1: though I had it tied at ten against the Giants.
Speaker 1: If you watch the game, they were dominated. Their offense
Speaker 1: was rarely on the field. Tonight, again you're losing time
Speaker 1: of possession. And some of that's just the defense with
Speaker 1: Mike McDonald, they're all banged up, they can't make stops.
Speaker 1: But you can talk yourself into a lot of different things.
Speaker 1: You've got to have the first or second best quarterback
Speaker 1: in your division right now. In the AFC, who leads
Speaker 1: the AFC East, the best quarterback in the division, Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson leads the AFC North. He's playing the best
Speaker 1: in the division, C J. Stroud and Patrick Malmes, Okay
Speaker 1: and Kirk Cousins. You know, he's over there in the
Speaker 1: NFC South, best quarterback in that division. So yep, I
Speaker 1: think Seattle has to have a big offseason. I like
Speaker 1: John Snyder or the GM. I think he's sharp. He
Speaker 1: and Pete Carroll didn't see eye to eye and it
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a power struggle near the end,
Speaker 1: but go get a quarterback. Got accumulate some draft picks.
Speaker 1: Take a big swing on this. I think it's a
Speaker 1: better quarterback college draft than we thought six months ago.
Speaker 1: You know, you start watching these kids play, they all improve.
Speaker 1: I'd make the move. I'm not a huge fan of
Speaker 1: the Robert Solid firing because I think what happens is
Speaker 1: that you end up with an interim coach and everybody
Speaker 1: plays inspired football for the interim coach, and you kind
Speaker 1: of get stuck because the players all like him. A
Speaker 1: lot of times you get stuck higher in the interim coach.
Speaker 1: But I was texting a couple of coaches, one former
Speaker 1: coach and another coach tonight, and last year there was
Speaker 1: one really good job available because of the quarterback the Chargers,
Speaker 1: and Justin Herbert and Jim Harbaal the number one candidates,
Speaker 1: swooped it up. This is going to be a rare
Speaker 1: year when Philly, Dallas, Jacksonville, Chicago and Cincinnati potentially can
Speaker 1: all have coaching openings. Now, Chicago's playing well, and I
Speaker 1: think eber Flus at least knows his side of the ball,
Speaker 1: Matt Eberflus, but you could potentially have Jalen Hurts, Dak,
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, Kleb Williams, or Joe Burrow available. So this
Speaker 1: is one of those years for the New York Jets.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers forty, hasn't really been a great quarterback in
Speaker 1: his last twenty starts prickly, kind of expensive, you know,
Speaker 1: the Jets. By firing Sala, not only do you get
Speaker 1: into that interim head coach dilemma where the players love
Speaker 1: the interim head coach and play inspired football, and you
Speaker 1: kind of lose the locker room potentially if you don't
Speaker 1: hire him, because he's a guys guys now fas a
Speaker 1: former player, he's well, very well liked according to all
Speaker 1: the people in New York and the media, very well liked.
Speaker 1: So but also this is going to be the Jets
Speaker 1: are not going to be the first choice. I mean,
Speaker 1: Philadelphia has got a better quarterback in Jalen Hurts. I'd
Speaker 1: take him over Aaron today. He's younger and in his prime.
Speaker 1: It's a better roster, better ownership. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: Dallas has a better quarterback in Dak and a better owner.
Speaker 1: You know, Chicago and Jacksonville. I mean, I get Caleb
Speaker 1: Williams on a rookie contract in Cincinnati again Burrow or
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers at forty one years old. And don't forget Buffalo,
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. I like Sean McDermott, but that has been
Speaker 1: a noisy coaching staff. Game management again this year is
Speaker 1: a topic of conversation. Keep your eye on the Buffalo
Speaker 1: bill opening. So and if the Giants, I think this
Speaker 1: would be a catas strophic mistake if they moved off
Speaker 1: Brian Dable, Buffalo, in my opinion, would swoop him up
Speaker 1: in five minutes. I don't think the Giants are going
Speaker 1: to make that mistake. But add Buffalo, that's the best
Speaker 1: job available, good roster, solid GM, non chaotic ownership, Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: those jobs just don't open up. That's like Matt Lafleur
Speaker 1: in Green Bay job where Aaron was closer to his prime.
Speaker 1: Those jobs just don't become available. So if the Jets
Speaker 1: are Jets want to get into a sweepstakes for the
Speaker 1: best coach, they may end up with a fourth or
Speaker 1: fifth best choice. Look at these quarterbacks that could need coaches. Hurts,
Speaker 1: Alan Burrow, Caleb Dak Aaron is way way past his
Speaker 1: prime and continues to be a little in my opinion, subversive.
Speaker 1: He says one thing to the media, Well, you're not buying, right,
Speaker 1: You're not buying that Woody Johnson phone call. They were
Speaker 1: just wishing each other an early happy Thanksgiving. Right, you
Speaker 1: don't buy it. I don't buy it. Nobody buys that.
Speaker 1: So I was talking to a coach tonight and he said,
Speaker 1: it's a good year to be looking for a job.
Speaker 1: So that's the dilemma when you sort of bum rush
Speaker 1: Robert sala is that the top candidates look at that,
Speaker 1: and this top candidate, somebody that I think will be
Speaker 1: available for a job. They kind of look at how
Speaker 1: you treated the last guy, and the last guy was
Speaker 1: actually pretty good at his side of the ball, Robert
Speaker 1: sala So that's always the dilemma. You keep seeing the
Speaker 1: same teams in the top ten in the draft, and
Speaker 1: we always blame coaches and quarterbacks, but so often it's
Speaker 1: really it's the guys upstairs. I remember years ago, I
Speaker 1: was with a friend. I was watching the Phoenix Sun
Speaker 1: Chicago Bulls finals, Barkley against Jordan, and I was talking
Speaker 1: to a friend of mine. She was a women's really
Speaker 1: good women's basketball player, and we were talking about Jordan,
Speaker 1: and Jordan was six ' six, wasn't the best shooter
Speaker 1: or ball handler as a guard in the NBA, but
Speaker 1: he just made things look so easy. And that's what
Speaker 1: great players do. Uh. I mean, you watch Shohey Otani
Speaker 1: and it just everything looks kind of easy, and you
Speaker 1: never see them strained. Watching Derek Carr struggle mightily, just
Speaker 1: just everything seems hard. Troy Aikman at one point was
Speaker 1: being very kind as he underthrew another deep ball, saying, well,
Speaker 1: he threw it as far as he could. Everything with
Speaker 1: Mahomes is just it's kind of it's effortless. You know,
Speaker 1: mechanics are solid, you would think watching him, but he's
Speaker 1: a little loose because Aaron Rodgers can be a little loose.
Speaker 1: He's really not. His mechanics are excellent. He's always got
Speaker 1: his feet and his hips right. It's just it's just easy,
Speaker 1: and that's part of when you're watching a college athlete.
Speaker 1: Shaduur Sanders has this at Colorado where he's effortlessly accurate.
Speaker 1: He can be moving left, right, forward, back, just any
Speaker 1: any platform. Shador Sanders is just it's easy movements, easy accuracies. Easy.
Speaker 1: I mean to me, Quinn viewers. Now Texas has been
Speaker 1: hurt a couple of times. That worries me. Carson Beck
Speaker 1: cam Ward's good but small. You know, you watch Shudr
Speaker 1: Sanders and you're like, it's just, you know, he just
Speaker 1: moves and throws without great effort. And that's what Mahomes does.
Speaker 1: And it was a great contrast to watch Mahomes effortlessly
Speaker 1: and Derek Carr straining on anything that was more than
Speaker 1: ten yards. For Derek Carr seemed like it was hard.
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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff, as we do every Sunday. Former NFL scout
Speaker 1: with the Philadelphia Eagles, three and Out's his podcast. He
Speaker 1: joins me every Sunday night. All right, let's talk Chicago
Speaker 1: Bears thirty six Carolina Panthers ten. It's an early window game.
Speaker 1: So Caleb Williams again every week, looks a little more secure.
Speaker 1: Twenty at twenty nine, three hundred yards, a couple of tds.
Speaker 1: They jumped out to a twenty seven to seven league.
Speaker 1: Swift had a couple of really nice runs. The run
Speaker 1: game was okay, but Swift does give you, he gives
Speaker 1: you pop. He'll hit on a couple of big runs,
Speaker 1: and so you have to be honest. DJ Moore again,
Speaker 1: revenge game. And my take watching Caleb is and I
Speaker 1: said this before the season, I said, I don't know
Speaker 1: if they'll win more than seven games, which is what
Speaker 1: Justin Fields won, because I do believe Minnesota, Detroit and
Speaker 1: Green Bay the division's better young team's all good. But
Speaker 1: I said, you'll feel better about the seven wins. And
Speaker 1: I think today because Carolina was playing pretty damn good football.
Speaker 1: Two things today. Once again, we have to give Matt
Speaker 1: Eberflu some credit. He does. He knows what he's doing
Speaker 1: on his side of the ball. Secondly, this team was
Speaker 1: playing well Carolina, and I thought, I think they I
Speaker 1: think I was thinking about this when you have somebody
Speaker 1: that's limited. BONNICKX has some limitations. It makes it easier
Speaker 1: on Sean Payton. When you have Caleb and you have
Speaker 1: fewer limitations, it may take you several weeks to figure out, Okay,
Speaker 1: what am I comfortable with? What am I not comfortable with? Now?
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury, who's Washington ZOCI has had several players like
Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels, so they got some tree in camp. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're looking at Waldron. You know, you're at his career.
Speaker 1: He never had anything like Caleb, So it feels like
Speaker 1: it's just taken the Bears coordinator and staff. Okay, we're
Speaker 1: not gonna do this. We're gonna do this. But I
Speaker 1: thought I thought Caleb. I looked around today and I'm like, okay.
Speaker 1: I mean one time he was running around. It was
Speaker 1: almost comical. It looked like a high school thing, and
Speaker 1: he didn't get anything out of it. But if I
Speaker 1: was a Bears fan today and they only went seven,
Speaker 1: I feel like I have a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 3: Yeah to me, you see moments like today. If they
Speaker 3: can get him more consistent throwing the ball down the field,
Speaker 3: they're gonna be a lot more competitive because when you
Speaker 3: have a really good defense, you're gonna be in games.
Speaker 3: I just pulled out their schedule because I was thinking, like,
Speaker 3: they haven't played any three teams in their division. They
Speaker 3: play them all late in the season, Yeah, the Vikings,
Speaker 3: the Packers.
Speaker 1: They don't play the Packers till week eleven. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And so you could argue an alliance. You could say, well,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a really tough stretch. But they also
Speaker 3: could ben because think how much experience he gets to have,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of under his belt, you know, up
Speaker 3: to like Thanksgiving or whenever they start playing. They also
Speaker 3: play the Niners in there.
Speaker 1: Like if their.
Speaker 3: Offense can hit and he can be explosive down the
Speaker 3: field and they can run the ball like that, they
Speaker 3: could be a competitive, frisky team that competes in the
Speaker 3: wild card. If they had no chance early on with
Speaker 3: him overthrowing and not having much confidence in their passing game.
Speaker 3: But if they can run the ball and he can
Speaker 3: add the explosive play element. Because their defense is when
Speaker 3: the dust settles. If they stay healthy, they're gonna be
Speaker 3: a top five ish defense in the NFL. And when
Speaker 3: you have a great defense, you see this with the
Speaker 3: Broncos you see this obviously with the Bears, like your
Speaker 3: quarterback doesn't have to have a great game like that's
Speaker 3: they could carry you, and all of a sudden, it's
Speaker 3: you know, ten ten in the fourth quarter. You just
Speaker 3: have to make a player or two. That's always The
Speaker 3: Niners got away with a lot of that over the year,
Speaker 3: especially with Jimmy Garoppolo. Well they were just being a
Speaker 3: thirteen to ten game. Then one big run you win
Speaker 3: twenty ten. Right when your defense like today with the
Speaker 3: Bengals and the Ravens, both those teams, I would imagine
Speaker 3: on Monday.
Speaker 1: We should never go to overtime.
Speaker 3: When we score thirty eight points, we should win the
Speaker 3: game by seventeen points when the clock hits double zero.
Speaker 1: That was a wildly entertaining game, but that was defense.
Speaker 3: That was insane. But the Bears don't play like that.
Speaker 3: They can rush the pass or they're stout up front
Speaker 3: and they get their dbs are really good. I was
Speaker 3: texted with a coach who played them early in the season,
Speaker 3: an assistant coach. He's like, their defensive backs are good.
Speaker 3: So if you have good defensive backs in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 3: that's that's the Broncos they have really good defensive backs. Well,
Speaker 3: half the teams are obsessed with passing. And watch the Packers,
Speaker 3: what do they want to throw the ball? Obviously the
Speaker 3: Vikings want to throw the ball. We know the Lions
Speaker 3: like throwing the ball. So if you can you know,
Speaker 3: defend the pass with DBS and you have a good
Speaker 3: pass rush, you're gonna be a serious, serious problem. And
Speaker 3: to me, Caleb, you know, perties kind of was doing
Speaker 3: this today that hero ball. Yeah, sometimes it's just a
Speaker 3: couple of steps, get the rid of the ball and
Speaker 3: if nothing's there, just thrown out of bounce. You know,
Speaker 3: not everything has to be Lamar can get away with it.
Speaker 3: But some of these guys that start doing the three sixties,
Speaker 3: I mean that used to be a Russell Wilson thing.
Speaker 3: And I think players, you know, on the offensive line
Speaker 3: have been like, just get rid of the ball, right,
Speaker 3: what are we doing? Because every sweet play you hit,
Speaker 3: three or four of them screw up and you get
Speaker 3: sacked or you maybe throw a pick or so. I yeah,
Speaker 3: I think the Bears the Panthers kind of came back
Speaker 3: to Earth today. Yeah, but part of that was the
Speaker 3: Bears defense. So I yeah, nice little win.
Speaker 1: So the New York Giants controlled the Seahawks all day,
Speaker 1: even when it was ten to ten, and they go
Speaker 1: on to beat Seattle twenty nine to twenty blocking a
Speaker 1: kick up in the Pacific Northwest. So this was this
Speaker 1: is the one game I've lost so far. But as
Speaker 1: we do this, I thought Seattle, no Molaitue Neighbors, Singletary
Speaker 1: was banged up. But I will tell you when you
Speaker 1: watch the Giants, they're old lines and d lines. They've
Speaker 1: committed to those in the draft and in acquisitions. I
Speaker 1: mean Daniel Jones twenty three to thirty four, two touchdowns,
Speaker 1: two fifty seven. He rushed eleven times or carried eleven times. James,
Speaker 1: I thought that is as good as Dan and that's
Speaker 1: without elite neighbors. John, Like, I watched that today and
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised by much Bandy beating Bama. You know,
Speaker 1: USC losing, Yeah, yeah, USC losing the way they did
Speaker 1: the Giants that was twenty nine to twenty. It it
Speaker 1: felt like they were the better team. And you've got
Speaker 1: to give this team credit. They have an offensive coach
Speaker 1: on like the Jets. Their defensive line is excellent. When
Speaker 1: I watched the Giants, I think they're well coached. I
Speaker 1: think they're limited. But Daniel Jones, he moves, he's big,
Speaker 1: he's healthy. Now, what did you make of that win?
Speaker 3: It's something Oh yeah, well, let's just acknowledge this. You
Speaker 3: remove week one when they played Minnesota and got embarrassed.
Speaker 3: Dan Jones been pretty good this season, he really has.
Speaker 3: He's made a lot of plays. I mean, he made
Speaker 3: a bunch of plays against Washington in the game when
Speaker 3: they didn't have a kicker. Yeah, and Malik Neighbors. That's
Speaker 3: kind of got his start going. I didn't think it
Speaker 3: was that bad against the Cowboys. He underthrows some deep balls,
Speaker 3: but no one ever like he's not Josh Allen Mahomes.
Speaker 3: He's not a deep ball thrower. But he's not turning
Speaker 3: the ball over. There was one time I looked up
Speaker 3: and he would lowered his shoulder. So, I mean, I
Speaker 3: think he's playing just pretty solid. Now, you know, are
Speaker 3: they good enough? Like what does that mean?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean Seattle think about played Monday night in Detroit.
Speaker 3: I don't know, what's that flight?
Speaker 1: Four and a half.
Speaker 3: Hours, you lose, you get back kind of your classic
Speaker 3: come out the gates. Not playing that hard New York
Speaker 3: off a long week because they had just played Thursday.
Speaker 3: Looked like the fresher team. Yes, but New York is not.
Speaker 3: I don't know. They're more likely in my mind to
Speaker 3: win six or seven than nine or ten. But they
Speaker 3: are a tough, you know, operation to play right now.
Speaker 3: They are not some joke franchise. This is not you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know, think of the worst team in the
Speaker 3: Miami Patriot game.
Speaker 1: They remind me of Denver. They're squeezing every out out
Speaker 1: of their team, and that to me is coaching. I mean,
Speaker 1: I watched them today and I'm like, I thought, I'm
Speaker 1: like neighbors Singletary, How the hell do they move the
Speaker 1: ball now? Again? Seattle is dinged up on the d line.
Speaker 1: But when I'm watching Daniel Jones, it's one of those things,
Speaker 1: it's just the Hostetler. It's Phil Simms, it's Eli. Even
Speaker 1: when they have the right quarterback in New York, it's
Speaker 1: never dynamic and pretty. And I love Phil Simms and Eli,
Speaker 1: but there's a Hostetler quality to Daniel Jones. And years ago,
Speaker 1: when I worked at the other place, I used to
Speaker 1: call them the accounting firm of the NFL. Even when
Speaker 1: they have a great earnings report. It's boring. They're a
Speaker 1: boring team. But I don't think you can deny. We
Speaker 1: have to be totally honest about this. Brian Dabole, and
Speaker 1: in New York it's just harder to coach. I mean,
Speaker 1: if he was going through what Doug Peterson's going through
Speaker 1: the last two months, he'd be done. He'd be out
Speaker 1: with a Trevor Lawrence. He'd be fired. When I watch
Speaker 1: that offense again, I'm watching Sean Payton score thirty fourth
Speaker 1: day with bow Nicks. They're just squeezing every ounce. Then
Speaker 1: I watched Josh Allen have a terrible day. So I
Speaker 1: look at the Giants and I'm like, they have what
Speaker 1: kind of the Jets don't, which is a really good
Speaker 1: offensive coach. They get the most out of their talent.
Speaker 1: There's really no drama. The HBO series didn't help, but
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of drama around them. They're boring.
Speaker 1: I don't love Daniel Jones, but I will say this,
Speaker 1: he'd have a market because of what Brian Daboles done.
Speaker 1: He'd have a market. He denver hammered the Raiders thirty
Speaker 1: four to eighteen. They now have a better record than
Speaker 1: the Jets at three and two with a rookie quarterback
Speaker 1: and a roster This was one of my takes this offseason.
Speaker 1: The best over bet was Denver because I think their
Speaker 1: roster's okay, not great, but they are generating a pass
Speaker 1: rush without a Pro Bowl guy up front. And I
Speaker 1: watched bo Nicks had a touchdown pass drop today and
Speaker 1: this is the difference between the great.
Speaker 3: It was a great throw too.
Speaker 1: Gre Ride is I watch Bonick now? Jaden Daniels is different.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm watching Lamar Jackson light. That's what
Speaker 1: I feel like Jayden Daniels. I don't know what b
Speaker 1: Nicks's comp is. And I was going to ask you
Speaker 1: about this as a former scout. I do think there's
Speaker 1: a ceiling. He is smaller, he doesn't have a big
Speaker 1: deep arm. It's a little Derek Carr. I think Derek
Speaker 1: Carr right now is a better deep arm than bo
Speaker 1: Nick does. Do you have a comp for because clearly,
Speaker 1: I mean Seawan is doing a Brian Dabole. He's squeezing
Speaker 1: every ounce out of this roster. What is Bonick's ceiling?
Speaker 1: Who is he to you?
Speaker 3: I think before quarterback inflation he fell under that Derek Carr,
Speaker 3: Jimmy Garoppolo, you know, Okay, historically he would have been
Speaker 3: a second round pick. Okay, Now he's a better athlete.
Speaker 3: And I'm talking to Jimmy when he was decent for
Speaker 3: the forty nine ers and Derek, you know, people love
Speaker 3: to bag on him. He's had some pretty good years, yes,
Speaker 3: for a team that let's face it, no one wins
Speaker 3: with me in the race. So and I actually kind
Speaker 3: of you know, the Saints, I think they're gonna have
Speaker 3: a good season, and he's he's been playing well this season,
Speaker 3: so I think he's under that mold. Now he's a
Speaker 3: better athlete than both those two guys. Yes, Derek. You know,
Speaker 3: when Derek was young, he had a pretty good pop
Speaker 3: in his arm. I always say he's got more arm strengthen, boy,
Speaker 3: But he'd never had a coach of Shawn's you know level.
Speaker 3: He's had a lot of Yeah, So I think that
Speaker 3: I think he can be a really good player if
Speaker 3: you build up the team. And one thing Sean Payton
Speaker 3: has done really the last couple of years of Drew Brees.
Speaker 3: When he brought in Dennis out, they became good on defense.
Speaker 3: I'm watching him today. We know certain. I mean he's
Speaker 3: been a highly recruited guy since he was like fifteen
Speaker 3: years old. But they have other dbs flying all over
Speaker 3: the feet.
Speaker 1: Yes you are.
Speaker 3: I didn't have the volume on a couple of guys
Speaker 3: made plays. I had to look up their names, like
Speaker 3: who are these dbs?
Speaker 2: Because they are I get that they're.
Speaker 3: Playing the Raiders and Minshew and O'Connell, but that will okay,
Speaker 3: you remove that brock Bowers play early in the game.
Speaker 3: Once they got to the second quarter, they took control
Speaker 3: and they came out a halftime and that was they.
Speaker 1: Curb stopped them.
Speaker 3: I mean they absolutely throttled them in the second half.
Speaker 1: And they're offensively. Mims looks like a good pick. Javonte
Speaker 1: Williams are running back. He can catch it and he
Speaker 1: can run it. I think I've always like Courtland Sutton.
Speaker 3: They like the Oregon wide receiver that dropped the ball, Franklin.
Speaker 1: Franklin.
Speaker 3: It's kind of the knock on him right as the hands,
Speaker 3: but he unspeat and they played together in college.
Speaker 1: So I kind of look at Denver and are they
Speaker 1: a playoff team? John? I look at them like I
Speaker 1: look at Chicago. You watch their defense and you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: so I have a Super Bowl Trophy coach. Their defense
Speaker 1: is much better than people think. It's faster than people think,
Speaker 1: like Chicago, and they have a rookie quarterback. The difference
Speaker 1: is the NFC North, maybe the best division at football
Speaker 1: probably is Whereas the Raiders are a mess, the Chargers,
Speaker 1: you cross their fingers they get healthy. The Chiefs are vulnerable.
Speaker 1: Though they're on a heater, they're vulnerable. I in fact,
Speaker 1: I like the points in the Saints tomorrow. They're just
Speaker 1: not beating anybody. Denver is I mean, it's thirty four
Speaker 1: eighteen and they dropped the touchdown. I think they're personnel,
Speaker 1: you know. I like this GM Patton. I didn't love
Speaker 1: the Russell Wilson move, but in fairness, I liked it
Speaker 1: when they made it. I didn't know Russell was going
Speaker 1: to drop off the cliff. I kind of like Denver's players.
Speaker 3: Well, to me, when you look at the landscape of
Speaker 3: the AFC, right the Chiefs, the Texans you know are
Speaker 3: going to be there.
Speaker 1: Obviously, the Bills are going to be.
Speaker 3: There right now. The Chargers are the seventh seed, and
Speaker 3: just based on injuries, you just know they're gonna have
Speaker 3: so many it's gonna be hard to overcome. And if
Speaker 3: their quarterback's banged up, they just be screwed. But turns
Speaker 3: out Miami sucks. The Jets are I mean a complete
Speaker 3: wild card. I mean there's been multiple times this season
Speaker 3: when Rogers went down and you're like, is he gonna
Speaker 3: get back up? I mean that happened today when he
Speaker 3: got ben over. You thought, yeah, is this season over?
Speaker 3: And even if his season he plays in all seventeen games,
Speaker 3: that they are by no means no lock to win
Speaker 3: nine games. The Browns, a playoff team from last year,
Speaker 3: is an absolute train wreck right now. I mean has
Speaker 3: the worst quarterback situation slack vibes going on right now
Speaker 3: because of the negativity surrounding that situation. So I think
Speaker 3: you just look at the landscape of the AFC Cincinnati,
Speaker 3: who obviously is pretty good. I mean, they got a
Speaker 3: pretty special offense. But you start playing a numbers game
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you two and five. How do
Speaker 3: you ever get back? You can't. You're not able to
Speaker 3: win enough games in a row when you have that
Speaker 3: big of a flaw as a defensive football team. That's
Speaker 3: what's crazy about the Ravens is like, where did their
Speaker 3: defense go? But Cincinnati like that has like they're they're
Speaker 3: not good on defense, and it's hard. I don't care
Speaker 3: if you got Joe Burrow, Jamar Chason T. Higgins, who
Speaker 3: all look fantastic. If your defense is that bad, well,
Speaker 3: the Broncos are like, hey, we're gonna have some games
Speaker 3: when the throws for seventy five yards and you know what,
Speaker 3: we'll when the fucking thing sixteen to thirteen. We got
Speaker 3: no problem to do it. Like Cincinnati doesn't even have
Speaker 3: that capability. Harbaugh in theory would But Joey bost is
Speaker 3: already sitting in a suite. You know, the injuries have
Speaker 3: kind of unraveled, and you know you got Herbert limping around.
Speaker 3: It's this team. Just the speed of Denver's defense. Oh,
Speaker 3: they more of a deep dive on their defensive roster.
Speaker 3: I don't even know some of their player besides certain
Speaker 3: who is I mean, what does he look like right now?
Speaker 3: Like Charles Woodson meets Rod Woodson in this prime? How
Speaker 3: good does he look.
Speaker 1: All right? Time for another edition of Sharp or Square
Speaker 1: with my buddy Chad Millman, c COO Action Network. All
Speaker 1: odds provided by DraftKings. So last year I had a
Speaker 1: rough first month and I caught fire. And one of
Speaker 1: the reasons I caught fire is I started noticing a
Speaker 1: trend in my picks is that I was overthinking the
Speaker 1: room and as this league has become more quarterback centric
Speaker 1: when all else failed, the best quarterback is winning the games,
Speaker 1: regardless of the spread. And that Monday Night's a great example.
Speaker 1: Is everything told you, oh, those unlucky Saints, and then
Speaker 1: two plays in You're like, I'm betting against Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: over Derek Carr. So a great example of that to
Speaker 1: me this week, I'm gonna inverse it. Aaron Rodgers since
Speaker 1: December of twenty twenty two, has had one three hundred
Speaker 1: yard game in that time. Davis Mills has had a couple. Okay,
Speaker 1: Desmond Ritter has had more than one. Is that because
Speaker 1: he's a pretty passer, and we tend to embrace pretty
Speaker 1: longer the aging supermodel, we grow up with him. We
Speaker 1: can't let pretty go. We can let Peyton Manning was great,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't pretty. Aaron's pretty. He's not a very
Speaker 1: good quarterback anymore. He's not an efficient quarterback. So Josh
Speaker 1: Allen is really good. They're getting a bit healthier. This
Speaker 1: is a team that's gone through a chaotic week. They're
Speaker 1: still banged up on the offensive line. Josh Allen is
Speaker 1: significantly better than Aaron Rodgers. I am swallowing the two
Speaker 1: and a half points. I'm going against the high energy
Speaker 1: of a interim coach. Let's go backwards. Sharper square.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's square as square as can be. You're
Speaker 4: going to take a road favorite in the division. That
Speaker 4: is a trend that will work against you over time.
Speaker 4: You are going to buy a team. While the Bills
Speaker 4: obviously aren't a two game losing streak, You're going against
Speaker 4: a team that is much more undervalued in the Jets,
Speaker 4: playing at home because they are going through a coaching
Speaker 4: change and because there has been all this chaos in
Speaker 4: their organization for the past month. So you're really playing
Speaker 4: against into what the public wants. The public, by the way,
Speaker 4: are betting the Bills at about a eighty five to
Speaker 4: ninety percent clip, and that's another time when you want
Speaker 4: to fade the public. So it's square. This line has
Speaker 4: moved in the Bills direction. All the money is coming,
Speaker 4: all the bets are on the Bills. The wise guys
Speaker 4: have bet this down to two. It goes back up
Speaker 4: to two and a half. They take it again, it
Speaker 4: goes back down to two. Wise guys are in their jets.
Speaker 1: I do not believe although I said the Denver Broncos
Speaker 1: would be significantly better, they were my choice last year.
Speaker 1: I said the Rams are not a six win team.
Speaker 1: This year, I said the Broncos personnel offensively is not
Speaker 1: a five win team. They're going to win eight or nine,
Speaker 1: probably don't make the playoffs. They're not on a three
Speaker 1: game heater. That said, bow Nicks against Justin Herbert, who's
Speaker 1: healthy with both tackles and offensive coach off of by
Speaker 1: Chargers minus two and a half at Denver again, I'll
Speaker 1: take the divisional road favorite. It is a mismatchic quarterback.
Speaker 1: I do not believe the Denver Broncos are a four
Speaker 1: game winning streak team. I am selling them at a
Speaker 1: high point. Sharper square, dude.
Speaker 4: There's a couple of games this week where there is
Speaker 4: zero consensus and very strong opinions on both sides, and
Speaker 4: this is one of those games. I will say that
Speaker 4: I'm with you. My favorite co host, Simon Hunter professional
Speaker 4: better is with you this line was at three, got
Speaker 4: bet down to two and a half, then it goes
Speaker 4: back up to three, then it gets bet down. What
Speaker 4: that is telling you is that when the game is
Speaker 4: at two and a half, professionals, a certain section of
Speaker 4: professionals love the Charters, and when the game is at three,
Speaker 4: a different group likes the Broncos. And they are basically
Speaker 4: just playing each other right now. They are just betting
Speaker 4: back and forth, back and forth. And like, what's interesting
Speaker 4: about these games, and we've talked a little bit about
Speaker 4: this when it comes to people like Jim Harbaugh and
Speaker 4: also people like Dan Campbell, they are building from the
Speaker 4: inside out. They are building from the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 4: And with Harbaugh and Campbell both it's really been about
Speaker 4: the offensive line. So Joe All coming back, hopefully Rashaun
Speaker 4: Slater coming back for the Chargers. That will mitigate the Broncos'
Speaker 4: greatest strength, which is their pass rush, which this year
Speaker 4: is top five in pressure rate and is really the
Speaker 4: reason why the Broncos have been staying in the games.
Speaker 4: They're staying so to me, I like the Chargers here
Speaker 4: because I think that they are they have the better quarterback,
Speaker 4: and I don't believe in bo Nicks.
Speaker 1: Yet.
Speaker 4: I think they've win with some smoke and mirrors right now,
Speaker 4: but it is not going to find a sharp side
Speaker 4: or a square side on this. I will say the
Speaker 4: Broncos are a very public dog because they've been winning.
Speaker 4: The public is coming in. So if you're looking for
Speaker 4: how to fade, you do want to fade the Broncos.
Speaker 1: Let's go to London. I think Caleb Williams and his
Speaker 1: offensive cohorts went to Shane Waldron and said, we're not
Speaker 1: a Pop Warner team. Give us more. Since that time,
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams is completing seventy one percent of his throws
Speaker 1: and doesn't have a turnover. The Jaguars just got out
Speaker 1: of a long losing streak and almost gave that game away.
Speaker 1: Whereas the Bears, I can look at them and go
Speaker 1: excellent defensive coaching, and I can look at Caleb Williams
Speaker 1: and say, ascending young star quarterback. There is nothing about
Speaker 1: the Jaguars I can definitively say. I like the Bears
Speaker 1: are starting to add to the things. I like, we
Speaker 1: know that Iberfluskin coach defense. That's inarguable. It's like Robert Sola,
Speaker 1: you don't have to love him. He knew defense. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take the Bears minus one and a half. In London,
Speaker 1: favorites do well overseas. Sharper Square favorites.
Speaker 4: Are I think thirty five and ten. I don't know why, right,
Speaker 4: And by the way, I think it's something like thirty
Speaker 4: fourteen and one against the spread, including this past week
Speaker 4: Minnesota beating up on the Jets. Right, So the wise
Speaker 4: guys have been betting the Jags in this spot. They're
Speaker 4: not fully bought in on the Bears. They feel like
Speaker 4: the Bears have beaten bad teams and until the Panthers,
Speaker 4: you know, they didn't look that great beating the Colts.
Speaker 4: They didn't look that great beating the Rams. I agree
Speaker 4: with you what you're seeing about Kayleb Williams. He's definitely
Speaker 4: taking steps and it's not like the Jag defense is
Speaker 4: anything that is lighting up the league or that people
Speaker 4: are afraid of. And to your point, like Doug Peterson
Speaker 4: after that touchdown pass to Alec Pearce by Joe Flacco
Speaker 4: in that game, I thought Doug Peterson wanted to disappear
Speaker 4: into a hole like he was on the balls of
Speaker 4: his feet, his elbows, on his knees like he looked devastated,
Speaker 4: like I don't know what to do with this team anymore.
Speaker 4: So this is not a good team. But they're still
Speaker 4: betting the Jags. And I'll be honest with you, it's
Speaker 4: all trend based and model based. There is nothing on
Speaker 4: the field that makes any professional better look at this
Speaker 4: and say, oh, yeah, I gotta take the Jags. This
Speaker 4: is where, by the way, your quarterback theory might play out, because.
Speaker 1: Best quarterback wins.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the better quarterback wins. And I don't think there's
Speaker 4: anyone who will say that Caleb Williams isn't ascendant and
Speaker 4: that Trevor Lawrence is a little bit flataued or even
Speaker 4: regressing right now. I think some of the things that
Speaker 4: the wise Guy's like, if it's anything, it's about the travel.
Speaker 4: There is a very significant trend and record of the
Speaker 4: team that has played in London before performing better because
Speaker 4: it is so sort of dislocating for both teams that
Speaker 4: when you've had that experience it plays to your strength.
Speaker 1: So there's I have this belief when there's a line,
Speaker 1: most lines are three to three and a half, two
Speaker 1: and a half, six and a half, seven, seven and
Speaker 1: a half but when the line's four and a half
Speaker 1: to five, what they're telling you is one team is
Speaker 1: clearly better. And that tells me that green Bay minus
Speaker 1: five is better than Arizona. So I tend to believe
Speaker 1: that young quarterbacks Jordan Love still qualifies as that at
Speaker 1: home are more comfortable. I think Jordan Love isn't totally healthy,
Speaker 1: but I think he's getting there now. Christian Watson practice
Speaker 1: this week. I picked green Bay to win the division.
Speaker 1: Jordan Love's injury slowed that down. I have seen now
Speaker 1: a half here or a half there where they look
Speaker 1: really good. I think they put it all together. Arizona
Speaker 1: is a celebratory young team that awful win could be flat.
Speaker 1: I don't trust them week to week. I would swallow
Speaker 1: the points five and take green Bay sharper square totally sharp.
Speaker 4: It's the side. The Cardinals are one of those public teams.
Speaker 4: We just talked about it with the Broncos to watch, Yeah,
Speaker 4: like they're really fun to watch, and look, they just
Speaker 4: had their Super Bowl. Right The Cardinals right now are
Speaker 4: in second place in their division and the Niners are
Speaker 4: in third because they're both two and three, and the
Speaker 4: Cardinals beat the Niners. The challenge with Kyler Murray is
Speaker 4: there's so much inconsistency. And we liked what we saw
Speaker 4: Trey McBride, but again, like they won that game because
Speaker 4: at the end of it, the Niners didn't have a kicker,
Speaker 4: and so they had to make really unorthodox decisions when
Speaker 4: they were in the red zone when otherwise they might
Speaker 4: have been kicking field goals. And if not for a fumble,
Speaker 4: the Cardinals don't get the ball back and they don't
Speaker 4: get a chance to drive for the game winning kick. Right,
Speaker 4: So we have to take some of this cardinal ascendancy
Speaker 4: with a little bit of a grain of salt, and
Speaker 4: I think I'm seeing the same thing that you are
Speaker 4: with the Packers. Number One, Matt Lafleur is a genius
Speaker 4: when it comes to scheming. He is clearly going to
Speaker 4: be a better coach than Jonathan Gannon is going to be.
Speaker 4: And I also think the Packers defense this year, their
Speaker 4: defensive backfield, especially very opportunistic. Already more interceptions this year
Speaker 4: through that was before last week than they had all
Speaker 4: of last year. So while there are still holes in
Speaker 4: their defense, they're at least getting the turnovers that they
Speaker 4: hadn't be getting in the past, and to me, I
Speaker 4: feel like we are three weeks into Jordan Love being back.
Speaker 4: This is the first game back where he's not going
Speaker 4: to be facing a really challenging defense at home.
Speaker 1: I e.
Speaker 4: Nine Flora's in the Vikings. We saw what they did
Speaker 4: in the second half when they made the adjustments and
Speaker 4: were able to come back against the Vikings. I agree
Speaker 4: with you. Whyse guys agree with you.
Speaker 1: Packers are the side, So Commanders plus six and a
Speaker 1: half is my side. Here's why Lamar Jackson eats the
Speaker 1: NFC because you can't duplicate esthetically stylistically what he does
Speaker 1: in practice, except Washington can they have Lamar Jackson light
Speaker 1: so they see Lamar Jackson light in practice every day.
Speaker 1: I'm also a believer until you prove otherwise, I'm going
Speaker 1: to believe what my eyes tell me. Washington's really good,
Speaker 1: way too good to give him six and a half.
Speaker 1: If they wouldn't have been the league's tire fire for
Speaker 1: a decade, you'd say this line's ridiculous. If anybody else
Speaker 1: was playing this well for five weeks, any other team,
Speaker 1: maybe outside of Carolina, there would be complete buy in.
Speaker 1: There's utter skepticism they're good they have lamar light. Washington's
Speaker 1: seen this at practice. I'm taking the point Sharper square.
Speaker 4: So it's square. But when you look at the numbers here,
Speaker 4: the betting tickets are on the Commanders. They are the
Speaker 4: fly high team that everybody loves right now, there's no
Speaker 4: doubt about it. But you can see the money is
Speaker 4: on the Ravens. And when you have a split between
Speaker 4: tickets and money, tickets represents the public. Money represents the Sharps, right,
Speaker 4: and these guys have been looking to sell the Commanders,
Speaker 4: so it's very possible they will continue to be wrong
Speaker 4: and you are right right because they wanted to sell
Speaker 4: the Commanders last week and they lost. They wanted to
Speaker 4: sell the Commanders the week before and they lost. They
Speaker 4: are going to keep doubling, tripling down on selling the
Speaker 4: Commanders until they're eventually right. Matchup wise, this does play
Speaker 4: to the Ravens and strengths. They are a tremendous running
Speaker 4: team right now, one of the best in the league,
Speaker 4: and they are going against a terrible, terrible run defense,
Speaker 4: especially in early downs. Now we've said this before the
Speaker 4: Ravens last year in the AFC title game. If they
Speaker 4: had just run the ball they win that game. Instead,
Speaker 4: they put it in Lamar's hands. So you have to
Speaker 4: hope that they actually go with the game plan that
Speaker 4: will give them the best chance to win. Historically, teams
Speaker 4: that are overachieving like the Commanders, and when I say
Speaker 4: overachieving meeting, they are covering the point spread by about
Speaker 4: five points per game. Those teams going forward in every
Speaker 4: game thereafter until there is enough regression that it evens
Speaker 4: out cover it about a forty three percent clip. This
Speaker 4: is what really worries Ravens betters. Okay, underdogs this year
Speaker 4: six plus points, eleven and eight straight up, sixteen to
Speaker 4: two to one against the spread. And this is one
Speaker 4: of those weeks. We got a few of these games.
Speaker 4: We got this one. We got the Patriots, we got
Speaker 4: the Browns, we got the Eagles, we got the Panthers
Speaker 4: like and the Falcons like. It's a more big spreads
Speaker 4: than we've had at any point so far this season.
Speaker 4: But here is what's really scaring Ravens backers. You could
Speaker 4: see this game, Ravens are up by thirteen, twelve, eleven, ten, nine, eight, seven,
Speaker 4: any number like that, and the back door is wide open,
Speaker 4: and the Ravens pass defense is soft and Jayden Daniels
Speaker 4: will not quit. This Commander's team will not quit. They
Speaker 4: might not they might know they're not going to win
Speaker 4: the game, but they might score that back door. So
Speaker 4: it's a it's going to be a sweat. It is
Speaker 4: not going to be a oh yeah, it's a blowout.
Speaker 4: And by the middle of the third quarter, Ravens betters
Speaker 4: feel like they can, you know, turn on a cooking show.
Speaker 1: Okay. One thing that almost guarantees consistency college or pro
Speaker 1: football is a really good offensive line. You kind of
Speaker 1: get the same Detroit team every weekend. People just don't
Speaker 1: quite realize how good the New York Giants offensive line is.
Speaker 1: That Seattle game wasn't close. I don't care what the
Speaker 1: score was. Mike McDonald's team couldn't get them off the field.
Speaker 1: Danny Dimes doesn't turn the ball over without Molik Neighbors,
Speaker 1: without Singletary, completely controlled the line of scrimmage. They're not
Speaker 1: as good as Detroit, but Cincinnati can't stop anything. And
Speaker 1: this very quietly because it's been so bad for so
Speaker 1: many years. This Giant's O line reminds me of the
Speaker 1: Giants D line. It controls most of the teams it plays.
Speaker 1: I'm taking the three and a half points New York
Speaker 1: plus three and a half at home. Sharper square, totally sharp.
Speaker 4: I'm surprised you chose this one, not because I don't
Speaker 4: have faith in your ability to be super sharp, because
Speaker 4: you truly are a maven of the media, a master
Speaker 4: of content, and a man who understands where the audience
Speaker 4: is going and what they want to hear. But this
Speaker 4: just felt like the kind of game you'd want to
Speaker 4: ignore unless it's a primetime game. But you're one hundred
Speaker 4: percent right. The Wise guys are on the Giants here
Speaker 4: this line. Actually it opened at three and a half,
Speaker 4: and like you can see in the Jews, the vague,
Speaker 4: the commission, the way the bookmakers start to play with
Speaker 4: those things. Normally the numbers at minus one ten. When
Speaker 4: it starts to go up minus one fifteen minus one twenty,
Speaker 4: that's basically them saying to you, all right, it's going
Speaker 4: to move or the other side plus one fifteen plus
Speaker 4: one twenty, this number is going to move to three.
Speaker 4: And that's because the Wise guys are buying hook the
Speaker 4: half a point for the Giants because they feel the
Speaker 4: same way you do. They think this team has been
Speaker 4: balling out lately. Daniel Jones has been playing much better.
Speaker 4: Brian Dayball has been calling great game plans the past
Speaker 4: couple of weeks. And look like, go back, what was
Speaker 4: it three weeks ago? They're playing the Commanders. They don't
Speaker 4: score any touchdowns and like that's why they lose that game.
Speaker 4: I know it's a weird thing to say, oh, look,
Speaker 4: this team is better than you think, but one ball
Speaker 4: bounces a different way, and the Commanders aren't even six
Speaker 4: and a half point underdogs, they're more. And no one's saying, oh,
Speaker 4: the Giants really shouldn't be any more than the Giants.
Speaker 4: They're saying the Giant shouldn't be any more than a
Speaker 4: field goal against the Bengals at home. So that's that's
Speaker 4: an interesting pick by you.
Speaker 1: So let's go to the best offensive line in football, Detroit.
Speaker 1: So this line was at three and a half and
Speaker 1: I said on the air on FS one, if it
Speaker 1: comes down to three, I'm taking Detroit. So a couple things.
Speaker 1: Dallas is the Arizona Cardinals or the Buffalo Bills of
Speaker 1: the league. I'm not really sure what team I get,
Speaker 1: just depends on the matchup and the mood. I get
Speaker 1: the same. And that's because Dallas has a very left tackle,
Speaker 1: revolving door injuries. You don't know what they are with
Speaker 1: their offensive line. It's matchup based. Detroit's a better team.
Speaker 1: Detroit is a completely consistent team. Listen, they give up
Speaker 1: yards they do on the back end. I mean Gino
Speaker 1: Smith had thirty eight first downs against them, and that
Speaker 1: worries me. But Hutchison and the tackle, the left tackle
Speaker 1: for Dallas, yikes. Yeah, I know it's a road favorite,
Speaker 1: but at three Sharper square, I like Detroit.
Speaker 4: Well, it's not sharp, right, Nobody in their right mind
Speaker 4: is going to say, as a professional better, Yes, the
Speaker 4: right side here is the road favorite and the publics
Speaker 4: side playing in Dallas. But you said something that is
Speaker 4: so on point, and you talk about quarterbacks and bad
Speaker 4: quarterbacks and good quarterbacks as being sort of a decision
Speaker 4: maker for you. For me, more and more, it's becoming
Speaker 4: about who controls the line of scrimmage because to me,
Speaker 4: that is the most consistent and dependable way a team
Speaker 4: can define performance and live up to expectations. Right, there's
Speaker 4: going to be some matchup issue at some point on
Speaker 4: the edges or running back may get hurt. A quarterback
Speaker 4: is having a bad game, but offensive line, defensive line
Speaker 4: consistency is pretty easy to mark. Lions their top five,
Speaker 4: top two dominant, not just as an offensive line but
Speaker 4: as a defensive line. But when you look at their
Speaker 4: offensive line across the board, like this is why this
Speaker 4: team is a top five overall offensive team right now.
Speaker 4: And to me, what's really fascinating is you look at
Speaker 4: the Jared Goff game. He went eighteen for eighteen, but
Speaker 4: it wasn't Jared Goff going thirty five of forty for
Speaker 4: four hundred yards and four touchdowns working outside of the
Speaker 4: offense because it was a you know, a shootout, Jared
Speaker 4: Goff working within the confines of the offense. Ben Johnson
Speaker 4: calling a great game. Dan Campbell clearly has said we're
Speaker 4: not ourselves these first few games. Let's get back to basics.
Speaker 4: Football is a violent game. We are built to be violent.
Speaker 4: So to me, every advanced metric that every geek can
Speaker 4: think of favors the LIGHTNS here and every other metric.
Speaker 4: When you look at the Cowboys and you shake it out,
Speaker 4: it basically says their defense, especially against the run, is trash.
Speaker 4: I don't know if the wise guys will be with you.
Speaker 4: I know I will be. We're making an executive decision, Colin.
Speaker 4: We're going with the lines.
Speaker 1: The college game of the year is Oregon getting about
Speaker 1: a field goal. It was like four, now it's down
Speaker 1: to three against Ohio State. I think they could meet
Speaker 1: in the playoff. I think Eugene they've won thirty four
Speaker 1: or thirty five at home. Dylan Gabriel's having completing almost
Speaker 1: eighty percent of his throws. They have their own line, right.
Speaker 1: I think Ohio State's better, but I think putting kids.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you go look at Ohio State against
Speaker 1: top ten teams, they've actually not been very good the
Speaker 1: last three years. I think I would take Oregon in
Speaker 1: the points sharper square.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would too. I think that the quarterback play
Speaker 4: for Ohio State is eh. You know, the reason why
Speaker 4: their receivers keep making so many fantastic catches is because
Speaker 4: the throws aren't always that good. And you know, it's interesting,
Speaker 4: what did Nick Saban say on game day? He's like,
Speaker 4: you spend twenty million, it doesn't really matter. You got
Speaker 4: to spend the right twenty million on the right guys.
Speaker 4: And I think this is the beginning of a gauntlet
Speaker 4: for Ohio State. They spent that twenty million at probably
Speaker 4: right before they're about to have the hardest schedule that
Speaker 4: they have had in years to get to a national
Speaker 4: championship contending position. I think we all believe they'll make
Speaker 4: the playoff, but it's no guarantee. You got Oregon, Ohio State,
Speaker 4: Penn State two, three four. Like that Big ten now
Speaker 4: is brutal, So I agree with you. I like Oregon.
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