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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the whitetail woods, presented by First Light, creating proven versatile

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Speaker 1: Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 2: Mark Kenyon, and this week on the show, Tony and

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Speaker 2: I are beginning an exploration of the equally fantastic and

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Speaker 2: fraught journey of raising future hunters and anglers. All right,

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Speaker 2: welcome to the wire to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 2: by First Light, and today we are kicking off a

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Speaker 2: new topic of conversation, a several episodes series diving into

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Speaker 2: the fraught fascinating, exciting, disturbing, distressing, wonderful, joyful waters of parenting. Tony,

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Speaker 2: can I get the amen on all that?

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Speaker 3: You sure can? Buddy, and you use fraut? How often

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Speaker 3: does that happen on a hunting podcast?

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Speaker 2: You know we're trying to break down barriers.

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Speaker 3: I love it, man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, so we're gonna talk about raising outdoor kids, Tony,

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Speaker 2: and I was hoping you could help me today kind

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Speaker 2: of kick this off. I've got a few different episodes

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Speaker 2: planned with some very interesting different people who come to

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Speaker 2: this with different perspectives. We've got like experts, we've got philosophers,

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Speaker 2: we've got authors, We've got regular old dads who've been

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Speaker 2: there and been in the trenches. And I want to

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Speaker 2: kind of talk about all different things related to you know,

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Speaker 2: introducing your kids to the outdoors, hunting with them, fishing

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Speaker 2: with them, building and interest in the outdoors, teaching them

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Speaker 2: about life and death and conservation, and you know, having

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Speaker 2: fun outside and getting uncomfortable and having fun doing all that,

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Speaker 2: and just telling some stories too, because I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: when I think Tony about folks who listen to this podcast,

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Speaker 2: there's a few things that unite us. Most of us.

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Speaker 2: Most of us are pretty serious deer hunters, most of

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Speaker 2: us really love the outdoors. And not all of us,

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Speaker 2: but eventually many of us, probably most will have kids

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Speaker 2: that you want to get out there with you enjoying

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Speaker 2: these things too. So this is one of those topics

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Speaker 2: that I think is super applicable to a huge proportion

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Speaker 2: of this group of people, but we don't talk about

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Speaker 2: it a whole lot. Do you feel like that is

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Speaker 2: a I mean, when I think about that, it's kind

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Speaker 2: of a mismatch between what's important and what we talk about.

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Speaker 2: Because I think you would agree, Tony. Once you have kids,

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Speaker 2: your priorities with hunting and what you're doing and how

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Speaker 3: Oh Man so much? And you know it's we're kind

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Speaker 3: of a product of our life situation, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 3: if you get somebody who's twenty three and ate up

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Speaker 3: a little light on life's responsibilities, you know, it might

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Speaker 3: you know, your time is totally different and you become

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Speaker 3: When you get to introduce your kids to it, it's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. It's it's one of the surprises to

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Speaker 2: thinking to themselves, Man, I think I want to have

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's gonna what's gonna mean for my

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Speaker 3: First, first stuff, I'd pull Joe aside and I'd be like, listen, man,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you're right. It's really hard to say this

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Speaker 3: I will, but I want to I want to touch

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Speaker 3: on something you just said, just because I think it's

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Speaker 3: super important. I don't want to gloss over this. I

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Speaker 3: noticed this, you know, I see this in your videos

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Speaker 3: And one of the things, like maybe the most relatable

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, you want to hear my story now, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And I go, well, hey, it's a tom. And he's like,

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00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 3: you know, two hundred times as far as you think,

429
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,439
Speaker 3: like he's not even anywhere near this. So anyway, he

430
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,640
Speaker 3: starts coming in and kind of like you know, one

431
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 3: of those deals where he'll kind of half strut, kind

432
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 3: of give you a look, but then start to turn

433
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 3: like he wanted to go down this logging road off

434
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 3: the field. So I'd hit him with some calls and

435
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 3: he'd start moving in, and I'm looking at my phone

436
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 3: and I'm like six minutes, four minutes, and finally he

437
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 3: commits and comes in, and I'm like, we are like

438
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 3: we're cutting it close, but we've got a little bit

439
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 3: of time. But I told her, I was like, when

440
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 3: he gets near the decoys, I'm gonna call real loud

441
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 3: he'll stop and pick his head up because I didn't

442
00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 3: want him to start fighting because then they get really

443
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 3: distracted if they're working on the jake, you know. And

444
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 3: so this happens, I yelp and cut real loud, and

445
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,360
Speaker 3: he picks his head up and she dumps him, just

446
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 3: smokes him, and I look at my phone and we

447
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 3: have one minute left. Wow, like that we were down

448
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 3: to the wire. And she's like, I got my tom

449
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 3: I got my long beard, and then we run out

450
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,439
Speaker 3: there to look at him, and like three quarters of

451
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 3: this little thin eight inch beard is just laying on

452
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 3: the ground. She shot, so she's got like an eight strander,

453
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 3: you know. But she's like, I don't care, it's a

454
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 3: tom And it was so sweet.

455
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 2: That's so great, that's awesome. So you bring something can

456
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 2: mind when you're talking about this, like calling the bird

457
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 2: and her getting all excited and ready. I have. I've

458
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 2: taken my son actually both of them now out for turkeys,

459
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 2: but not on like actual hunts, Like we just go

460
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 2: and like we're acting like we're hunting and trying to

461
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 2: get him in range. Yeah, but whenever I do that,

462
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 2: they always want to use the calls, like they always

463
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 2: want to try the calls, And in my head, I'm like, yeah,

464
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 2: I want them to have fun. But the same time,

465
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 2: as soon as I give this call to my son, ever,

466
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 2: it's like crazy insane things and every animal that might

467
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 2: be within sound range is now long gone. So two

468
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 2: questions Number one is do you let the kids call

469
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 2: when you're turkey hunting? Number two, and this is the

470
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 2: bigger picture question, what's your thought process been, Tony when

471
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 2: it comes to like this balancing act when we take

472
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: our kids hunting between getting the animal, which seems like

473
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 2: would be an amazing moment with our kids, versus letting

474
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 2: the kids just do what's fun for them in the moment.

475
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: So Part A, Part B.

476
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 3: I do let my girls call some I mean, the

477
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 3: best thing to do with kids is to get one

478
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 3: of those spring loaded push button calls and then you

479
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 3: know what I mean, and teach them, Okay, we do

480
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 3: a three yelp or a five yelp or a seven

481
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 3: yelp sequence, and then I always have a mouth call

482
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 3: in to kind of drown them out if it's you know,

483
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 3: if it starts to go a little haywire, which it will.

484
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 3: But you know what, I what I tell my girls,

485
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 3: and you know, they're in a different stage now than

486
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 3: your boys are a lot older. But is you can

487
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 3: tell me when to call, Like if you think we

488
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 3: need a live in something up, should we should we

489
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 3: go a little knots with a slate and the mouth

490
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 3: call and really get after it. What should we do?

491
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 3: You know? Like? And so I kind of I'm trying

492
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 3: to get them to own a little bit more of

493
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 3: the process, and it's hard. And this kind of leads

494
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 3: into your second half. I want them to succeed so

495
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 3: much that sometimes it's I'm I'm too much, Like I

496
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 3: need to back off and realize they're they don't need

497
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 3: that kill as much as I want them to have it.

498
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 3: And it takes time. Man, It's it's tough because you know,

499
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 3: this is like the number one problem, and maybe not

500
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 3: the number one, but it's it's way up there. It's

501
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 3: ranked on what we have when we take new people out.

502
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 3: This is why it's so hard. If you're you know,

503
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 3: if you're some the random hunting dude and you take

504
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 3: your wife or your girlfriend out on her first hunt,

505
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 3: you're gonna almost get divorced every time because you want

506
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 3: it so bad and you're gonna be a prick about

507
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 3: it and you're gonna be too serious and she doesn't care,

508
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,479
Speaker 3: you know, like she's not that newbie, isn't invested in

509
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 3: this the way that you are. And that's something that

510
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 3: my little girls in my when I take them, I'm like,

511
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 3: I have to I have to put us in a

512
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 3: cool setting where we have a chance, but more importantly,

513
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 3: like we just have the opportunity to see some animals

514
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 3: or hear some animals, or think we will and you know,

515
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 3: it's like kind of back to when we were talking

516
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 3: about fishing. It's like, you know, you might be sitting

517
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 3: on the dock and not care about catching little grunts

518
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 3: all day long, but your kid thinks it's the coolest

519
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: thing in the world. You know, when I take my

520
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 3: daughters out in northern Wisconsin, if a grouse walks through,

521
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 3: or a you know, affiliated woodpecker or something starts working

522
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 3: on a tree next to you, you might not even

523
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 3: pick your head up from your phone sometimes for something

524
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 3: like that, and they're like, oh my god, look at

525
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,479
Speaker 3: the size of that woodpecker, you know, Like, and so

526
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 3: you just kind of got to reframe it and try

527
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 3: to find that balance. But it's hard, man, because you

528
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 3: just want it for them so bad.

529
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's a constant struggle because and this might

530
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 2: be wrong, but like the assumption or and I think

531
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 2: a lot of people feel this way. As the mentor

532
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: or the parent, you feel like, man, if they just experience,

533
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: what's the best thing for me? And we think, like

534
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: lots of times wrongly, but lots of times we think

535
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: that the best thing is like getting the deer get

536
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: in the turkey, Like we are aiming for that thing

537
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: and I find my sometimes think like, man, if if

538
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 2: he could just be with me when we get a turkey,

539
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 2: if he's there for the first time we get a deer,

540
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 2: that's gonna be the best thing ever, that'll have him hooked.

541
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 2: And so, like you said, that leads us to being,

542
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: you know, way too serious about it. But I think

543
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 2: that's probably a mistake. I think because if you if

544
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 2: you go too far that direction and the process itself

545
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 2: along the way isn't fun, then I don't think that

546
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 2: end result probably matters that much for him because they

547
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 2: don't enjoy any of it. So at least that's why

548
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 2: I keep on trying to remind myself. But it's it's hard.

549
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 2: It's hard.

550
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 3: Well, but you're right, man, Like, there's there's such value

551
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 3: in in like some level of struggle. You know, you

552
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 3: don't want him to go out and have it super easy,

553
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 3: but you also want to really kind of manage that struggle.

554
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 3: You know, if they're super cold and uncomfortable, or you know,

555
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 3: if there's if they're real tired or something, if if

556
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 3: there's like impounding effects of like the misery in addition

557
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 3: to just not having success right away, then things go

558
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 3: solve right then then you're at risk of just making

559
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: it too much of a bad thing. And so I

560
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 3: kind of look at it like that's why I like

561
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 3: turkey hunting so much. You know, if you pick and

562
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 3: choose decent days and they've got handwarmers or whatever, and

563
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 3: you're you know, they're eating candy and the blind the

564
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 3: discomfort levels can be managed real well, you know, and

565
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 3: so then it's like even if the turkeys don't show

566
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 3: up too much or they're not cooperating, at least they're

567
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 3: not like I hate this, you know, because I'm not.

568
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 3: And we you know, we just don't. It's hard to

569
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 3: relate to that because you know, we're we have good

570
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: gear and we're used to going out and sitting in

571
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 3: a tree stand from dark to dark, and like, this

572
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 3: is what we do. This is our driver for them.

573
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 3: We're just trying to get them to a place of

574
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 3: like you start loving it a little bit and then

575
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 3: we'll we'll start, you know, we'll be okay, being a

576
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 3: little colder or a little more hungry or tired or whatever.

577
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 3: But right now that it's so important to manage that.

578
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: What about for you the next thing about like trying

579
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 2: to balance that fun versus the hunt itself for me

580
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: is like doing things the right way. So I guess

581
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: this kind of ties back to the calling thing. So

582
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 2: I find myself constantly struggling out there between the trying

583
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 2: to get my boys to do the right thing. So

584
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: don't like I'm constant whisper, you gotta whisper, Yeah, talk quiet,

585
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: you gotta whisper, you gotta whisper, and catching myself like

586
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: just harping on them over and over, and I'm like, Okay,

587
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 2: you get to ease up, or you know, moving too fast,

588
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: moving too much, standing up when they should be sitting down,

589
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: like all those things. And I know that if you

590
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: harp on them too much on that stuff, it's not

591
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: fun anymore. But if you don't harp on them some,

592
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: they're not gonna learn, they're not gonna get better, and

593
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 2: we're never gonna see a damn thing. So like trying

594
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: to do that, Like I find myself constantly when I'm

595
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 2: out there, like having this internal dialogue with myself, like

596
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: having to hold myself back from my instinctual like stop, stop,

597
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: shut up, be quiet, whisper constantly in my head, like

598
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: stopping myself, but also trying to figure how do I

599
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: and I guess this is a general parenting thing. How

600
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,959
Speaker 2: do you teach them or get them to do something

601
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: without being a total ahole?

602
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 3: Uh? You know what? You Well, I'll address that in

603
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 3: a second. But don't you think you get enough practice

604
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 3: being patient in that situation when you hunt with a

605
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 3: cameraman over your shoulder?

606
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good training for you.

607
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 3: Right are you? Are you literally eating another handful of

608
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 3: starburst in my ear right now at twenty minutes before

609
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 3: dark wild?

610
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, while this buck is approaching? Come on people?

611
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 3: Yeah? Are you are you going to clank that metal

612
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 3: uh yetti against something one more time while we're out here? Yeah?

613
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 2: Did you bring a metal YETI again, dude?

614
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 3: Uh? With kids, I think you gotta I think what

615
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: and listen? I maybe am a poor example of this

616
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 3: because I can lose my cool pretty fast sometimes. But

617
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 3: like my first my first year Turkey with the girls,

618
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 3: they were eight and the one who just killed that

619
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 3: little thin Tom she's a lunatic, Like, she is not

620
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 3: a patient child, she is not a she's not a

621
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 3: child who takes direction well, she's she's like a little

622
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 3: Tasmanian devil. And we had when she started Turkey hunting.

623
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 3: I called in so many birds and she spooked so

624
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 3: many birds, and it was one of those things where

625
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, I can't lose my shit over it, because

626
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 3: it's going to happen, and I just need her to understand, like,

627
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 3: if those birds are ten yards away in the decoys

628
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 3: and you're moving your head all around or your hands

629
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: all around, they're gonna get us. And they did. And

630
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 3: so you kind of just have to accept some of that.

631
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, you got to learn how to move, like,

632
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 3: and you do that by making mistakes, right, Like the

633
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 3: best deer hunters out there make They've made thousands of mistakes.

634
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 3: I mean, you might make a thousand mistakes a season, yeah,

635
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 3: you know, And so some of that you just like

636
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 3: that's acceptable, Like you're like, Okay, you're just gonna have

637
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 3: to learn to do this the right way. Some of it,

638
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 3: when they're making noise or they're you know, they're being

639
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 3: squirrely or whatever, like you you can tamp that down

640
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 3: a little bit and be like, listen, you know, if

641
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 3: you're going to open a package of pop tarts, let's

642
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 3: just get this. Let's rip this band aid off, Let's

643
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 3: not crinkle it around for five minutes, you know, stuff

644
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 3: like that. But it's just a learning process. I was

645
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 3: I was going to ask you, I don't know enough

646
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 3: about Michigan. Uh, what what's the minimum age out there?

647
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 3: Like when will you be able to take your boys

648
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 3: actually hunting.

649
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 2: So they can go with me, you know, from the

650
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 2: get go? And I think the latest if I remember right,

651
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 2: I think this it's a mentor kind of situation here

652
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: in Michigan where as soon as they're ready to go,

653
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: they've got a few years before having hunter safety that

654
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: they can go with a parent or mentor at any age.

655
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 3: And is that Turkey's and dear yes, dude, So how

656
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 3: how old is your oldest boy?

657
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 2: He's five?

658
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 3: But what are what are you anticipating? Like when are you? Like,

659
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 3: I think this is going to be we'll be able

660
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 3: to do this when he's what age?

661
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing I'm thinking a lot about. He's

662
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 2: ready to go right now. He wants to he wants

663
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 2: to do it right now. He got a BB gun

664
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 2: for his birthday and so he's like he's shooting a

665
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 2: BB gun. He's very effective, he he is. He wanted

666
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: to shoot a deer this year too, and all these things.

667
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: I think he's he's too young for all of it. Still,

668
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly when that right age will be,

669
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: But I if you had to, if you're going to

670
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: put a you know, if you're going to force me

671
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: to put a number out there, maybe i'd say a

672
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: couple more years. Yeah, I don't know exactly when. He's

673
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: very excited about it. He's pretty darn good for a

674
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: five year old. Like he can he can hold pretty

675
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 2: darn still, he can, he can do everything pretty well.

676
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 2: He's he's going to be the easy one, the younger one,

677
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 2: kind of like you mentioned, is gonna be my Tasmanian devil.

678
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 2: But Everett could probably do it. I actually think, like

679
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: I would give better than fifty to fifty odds he

680
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 2: could pull it off well this year even. But I

681
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: just want to make sure he's a little more mentally,

682
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: you know, mature. I think maturity is the thing I

683
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: want to keep working on with him so that he

684
00:35:58,680 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 2: are you worried?

685
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 3: Sorry, but are you? Are you worried there on the

686
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 3: maturity level about having like an ugly death, like you know, yeah,

687
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: I mean, is that kind of the concerns.

688
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: It's that so part of it is that, like, I

689
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,919
Speaker 2: want to make sure he's he's more proficient and more

690
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: mature to avoid that kind of mishap. And then number

691
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: two just like to get it, like I see there's

692
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: kids out there now, Like I'm seeing videos on YouTube

693
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: on social like in these states where there's no minimum

694
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: age where dads are taking their sons out or sons

695
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: or daughters and they're they're killing a deer at five

696
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: years old or six years old. And like, kids can

697
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: do that. I know they can do that. There's kids

698
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 2: that can effectively shoot in and and nothing against that.

699
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 2: I just for my children, I'm trying to figure out

700
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 2: when that age is when they can understand at least

701
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 2: to some degree, the gravity of what they're doing. And

702
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: I don't know what that right age is yet for

703
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: my kids. And that's what I'm trying to figure out.

704
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: But but I want to make sure if we are

705
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: And this is like a big, big overarching thing, Tony

706
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: that I have a lot I don't know the answer

707
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 2: to yet, between like fostering the fun and this experience

708
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 2: versus also providing them or helping them understand the gravity

709
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: of it or the importance of it, you know, Like

710
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 2: that's the thing I'm trying to figure out with with

711
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 2: the BB gun, Like my son is a BB gun

712
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: now and he wants to, you know, hunt every little

713
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 2: critter out there right, chasing birds and chipmunks and everything.

714
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 2: And I did that when I was a kid, and

715
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: it was fun and I think that was part of

716
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: what was one of the things that you know, helped

717
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 2: me become a hunter. So I want him to have

718
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: this little miniature version of his own hunt and feel

719
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: like he's really doing it. But I'm trying to figure out, like,

720
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: how do I also teach him about like the importance

721
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 2: of it and if you are going to shoot an

722
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 2: animal what that means, and how do I do that

723
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: in a way that isn't over his head at five

724
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: years old, that doesn't like crush his soul in the

725
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: fun of it, but also somehow still like in a

726
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: child friendly way, teaches him that this isn't you know,

727
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: just to game, that this is actually a serious thing too.

728
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 2: I don't I don't have the answer to that. I'm

729
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 2: trying to figure it out. But those are the questions

730
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 2: I've got when it comes to figure out when he's

731
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 2: gonna hunt for a turkey and zone and a deer

732
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: with me and all that kind of stuff.

733
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, that that part's tough. That was that was

734
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 3: my primary concern with taking the girls deer hunting, because

735
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 3: you know, turkey's I don't know, they're just there is

736
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 3: not that connection to a turkey the way that you know,

737
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 3: kids can feel with a deer. It's a different thing.

738
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 3: And I was terrified of a spine shot. Yeah, you know,

739
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 3: And it's I think, you know, people might disagree with

740
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 3: me on this, but you know, you're raising two little boys.

741
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 3: I'm raising two girls. I've got hunting buddies who have

742
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 3: boys who are the girl's age and they hunt like crazy.

743
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 3: There's a there's it's there's a difference. I mean, you

744
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 3: know when you talk about your little boy running around

745
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 3: the BB gun trying to shoot every sparrow and chipmunk

746
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 3: and everything he can. I mean that was a lot

747
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 3: of us, right, I mean when we were you know,

748
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 3: when I was younger, we I have murdered so many

749
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 3: little sparrows and pigeons and starlings and stuff in my

750
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 3: life with BB guns and pellet guns growing up, and

751
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 3: that was what we lived for. And there's like a

752
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 3: you know, I see this in some of my buddies

753
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 3: little boys. There's like a bloodthirst there that I don't

754
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 3: see in the girls. You know, like they don't they

755
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 3: have animals. They're like, no way, not shooting that, not

756
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 3: doing that, And they don't they don't have this desire

757
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 3: to just go out and kill whatever. And so I

758
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 3: always felt with them, like, man, one bad death and

759
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 3: we we this might end. Like it always felt sort

760
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 3: of like a house of cards. So I'm just curious

761
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 3: about that with the age thing, because as they get

762
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 3: more mature, you know, they understand what they're doing, you know,

763
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 3: like they start to learn, yeah, I'm taking a life

764
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 3: and it you know, like it's there's some weight to this.

765
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 3: But man, that initial stage where you take them out,

766
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 3: you're just like, I I know, if they stick with us,

767
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 3: they'll have an ugly one. They'll they'll spine one or

768
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 3: you know, something's gonna happen. But I hope it's not now,

769
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 3: Like I hope it's down the road when they've done

770
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 3: this and they've been a part of the you know,

771
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 3: the scouting process and the work involved, and then they've

772
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 3: helped you butcher one and they love to eat it

773
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 3: and they go okay, yeah, that that thing sucked. I

774
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 3: don't want to do that again, but the overall process

775
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: is worth it. Yeah.

776
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, it's a doozy like all all that.

777
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: There's there's so many of those things that I'm I'm

778
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: finding these these uh tricky lines you have to walk between,

779
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 2: like you know, like you said, like trying to minimize

780
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 2: the risk of something bad happening while also still letting

781
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 2: them have fun, or like how do you encourage the

782
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: fun while also introducing and helping them understand the importance

783
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 2: of it, or you know, like with my boys and

784
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 2: Everet especially, he's you know, he's developing a love for

785
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 2: animals while also he has this love for hunting, and

786
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: you know, he's learning about you know, school stuff and

787
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: the like wildlife videos and shows and stuff we're learning.

788
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 2: He's starting to hear about how hunters nearly sent this

789
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: animal to extinction and how this animal is struggling in

790
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: the rainforest or something, and so I'm trying to help

791
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 2: him already. It's crazy at five, you know, he's being

792
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 2: introduced to this like serious stuff and I'm trying to

793
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: understand how do you how do you make this make

794
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: sense to a five year old in a way that

795
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: he can enjoy hunting and love the outdoors and understand

796
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: like it's okay to do it, but also know that

797
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 2: this comes with like an obligation to also take care

798
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: of nature. And so I'm trying to think of like

799
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 2: how do you do that and the kit appropriate way

800
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 2: that doesn't like make it not fun and doesn't become overwhelming,

801
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: but like in some kind of five year old brain

802
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: way makes sense. I don't know, those are those are

803
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: the things that I'm dude.

804
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 3: If you figure that out with a five year old,

805
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 3: you let me know, because I know forty five year

806
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 3: olds who don't get it. Yeah, you know. I mean

807
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 3: it's that's a tough thing. But I think it's just

808
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 3: I think it's just get them in a position to

809
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 3: develop a love for the outdoors. I know it's like

810
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 3: so cliched, but you know, if you if if you're

811
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 3: waking up at five and you're running out the door

812
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 3: to go fishing, like you're getting there already, like you

813
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 3: you're gonna love it so much that you don't want

814
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 3: to see it go away. Yeah, And I just I

815
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 3: think that's important, you know. And I think it's just

816
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 3: exposure to a lot of different things in the outdoors.

817
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 3: You know, it's not just seeing a big buck. It's

818
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 3: like seeing all the animals that live in the big woods,

819
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 3: you know. Like it's I think that it's just a

820
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 3: it's so important to get them out there to experience

821
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 3: a lot of different stuff. And then I think that

822
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 3: will come eventually. Yeah, he's not going to get it

823
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 3: when he's in you know, kindergarten, but the like the

824
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 3: framework can start to be built already.

825
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just it's yeah, I think that's a

826
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 2: great point. You're building a foundation now. And the foundation

827
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 2: doesn't need to be over complicated, but it's you build

828
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 2: it a little bit by little bit. But the key

829
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 2: thing that has to be there from the get go

830
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 2: is the fun, the love, the enjoyment, and then you

831
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 2: give I think if you just kind of every once

832
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: in a while you add a little something more, you

833
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: satiate a little bit curiosity, you answer a question, you

834
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 2: show you know, bring them up to be a part

835
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: of like what you're doing. Like so perfect example this,

836
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 2: uh was walleye fishing the other day with the dad

837
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 2: of one of my son's friends at school. And so

838
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 2: we went fishing in the morning and then we went

839
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: to go pick up the kids from cool and uh,

840
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 2: we had not cleaned the fish yet, So we were

841
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: gonna filay the fish on the tailgate of the truck

842
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: at school and then save a couple so when the

843
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 2: kids came out we could show them. And so picked

844
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 2: up the kids after school, came out to the trucks,

845
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: and then the two of them were just so so

846
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: excited to get to seize a couple of fish in

847
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: the cool or pick them up, look at them together,

848
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: and then watch us, you know, fillaying them and showing

849
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 2: them what we were doing. They got to touch everything

850
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: and look at everything and spin it around and play

851
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 2: with in a kid way. But then, you know, I mean,

852
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 2: anytime you can get them involved in like the whole process,

853
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 2: I think that builds like an appreciation itself, even without

854
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: talking about it. Just like, not only did we have

855
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 2: fun hunting or hunt have fun fishing, but we also

856
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 2: had fun in the process of turning this into a

857
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 2: thing that we are appreciating and using. And so they

858
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 2: got to see the fish getting cut up and then

859
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: tonight they're gonna help me fry it up and we're

860
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 2: gonna eat it tonight together. And that helps, you know,

861
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 2: without even saying a thing, I think you're teaching that

862
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: some of those lessons and maybe that's the best thing,

863
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: that's the easiest way maybe to treat to help teach

864
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 2: those kinds of things is just show it with your

865
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: actions and have them in a part of it.

866
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 3: I totally agree. I mean, I think the more parts

867
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 3: of this that you can involve them in, the better,

868
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 3: you know, Like, and I think that's a mistake that

869
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 3: in the hunting industry we've made, partially due to the

870
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 3: constraints of the kind of content we make. But you

871
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 3: see so often like oh, you know, we're taking my

872
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 3: buddy's kid out on his first hunt, and you know,

873
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 3: it's like you go sit in a box bind over

874
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 3: a food plot and seventeen deer walk out and one

875
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 3: of them get shot, and there there's like it feels

876
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: very surface level, you know. And it may be it

877
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 3: may not be you're only getting the twenty two minutes

878
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 3: to show or whatever, but we've kind of like presented

879
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 3: that image that you just bring them into this, you know,

880
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 3: kind of babysat situation they killed or done. And when

881
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 3: you're doing it yourself with kids, your kids or you know, whatever,

882
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 3: if you're bringing newbies out or whatever, you're just like, Okay,

883
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 3: there are so many opportunities like you're talking about with

884
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 3: those walleyes and the little boys that are not that's

885
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 3: not like a part of a fishing trip. Really, like

886
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 3: that's not something we focus on. You don't think about it,

887
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 3: but it's important. It's so important for developing like a

888
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 3: greater just curiosity and love of the game, you know.

889
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 3: I mean, I my my other the one, my one daughter.

890
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 3: Two nights ago, I was turkey hunting with her. She

891
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 3: still had a tag left, and we called in three

892
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 3: jakes and she killed her bird. And when we when

893
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 3: we got back to clean it, she's like, Dad, I

894
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 3: want to I want to see you know this, this,

895
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 3: this and this. You know, She's like, can you take

896
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 3: his heart out? Can you show me his lungs? I'm like,

897
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 3: let's chill here a dexter, like you'll, we'll get there.

898
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 3: But then she's like, I want to know what he

899
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 3: was eating. And so we cut his crop open and

900
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 3: it was grass and I think they were I think

901
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 3: there were foxtail seeds. I'm not sure, but these little

902
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 3: seeds in there, and she was like, can I touch that,

903
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 3: and I was like, you go nuts, like I don't,

904
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 3: I don't really care what you touch her. And she's like,

905
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 3: I can't believe I'm holding turkey food that a turkey

906
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 3: found and ate and then it was in him, like

907
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 3: you know, And I'm like, I just want to get

908
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,959
Speaker 3: this thing cut up because this is the fourth turkey

909
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 3: I've cleaned in like five days. I'm like, I'm over this.

910
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 3: But those parts, like you, you don't know what they're

911
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 3: going to think about that as you move on, you know,

912
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 3: like some somehow that's going to be a little core memory.

913
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 3: When I'm turkey hunting with her next year, She's going

914
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 3: to be like, I wonder what those turkeys are eating,

915
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 3: you know, Like your little boy is going to be like,

916
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 3: I can't wait to catch my own walleyes so we

917
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 3: can cook them up for the family or whatever like that.

918
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 3: I think that stuff just matters so much.

919
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so so much. So your story with your

920
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 2: daughter just reminded me of another big moment in our family.

921
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 2: I don't know, a couple of months ago, so I

922
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 2: mentioned the BB gun and I've got I've got some

923
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 2: questions for you about this too. But so Everett got

924
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: a bb gun for his birthday. Great opportunity to a

925
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 2: whole lot of you know, firearms safety discussions and lots

926
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: of practice and a lot he's obsessed with it, loves

927
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 2: it doing all that stuff. It's been a really fun

928
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 2: thing for us. But eventually it was like, okay, you know,

929
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 2: you can, you know, I'm goin to let him do

930
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 2: some of that stuff that you talked about doing as

931
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 2: these little boys they want to go out and be

932
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: a hunter finally for the for the first time. And

933
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 2: so he got his first bird. H a few weeks

934
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 2: ago or a monthly or something, got a little bird.

935
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: And I actually wasn't even around for My wife was

936
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 2: out with him and I was recording a podcast, and

937
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 2: I came back out and my wife's eyes are just big,

938
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: and she's like, he actually got one. And I was like,

939
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 2: oh man, we weren't really expecting him to this effective

940
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 2: so quickly, and so, you know, right away and saying, okay,

941
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 2: you know, how do we handle this, What do I

942
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: want to teach him? What do we get out of

943
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: this moment? And so he just wanted to see everything,

944
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 2: kind of like your daughter did. And and so we

945
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 2: broke the end. We broke it down. We opened up

946
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: this bird, we breasted it out. We looked at the

947
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 2: pieces and parts and talked about it, and he wanted

948
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 2: to save the feathers and save the wings and all

949
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 2: these different stuff. But then we were left with the

950
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 2: little carcass. And then we decided. You know what, he

951
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: asked me, He's like, well, I wonder, you know, what

952
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: are we gonna do this? What's gonna happen to this?

953
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 2: And I said, well, you know, something's probably gonna eat it,

954
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: you know, with the leftovers. And then I thought, you

955
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 2: know what, why don't we learn Why don't we find

956
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 2: out what's going to eat this? So we went and

957
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 2: set up a trail camera, put the carcass in front

958
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 2: of the trail camera, and let it run overnight and

959
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 2: turn on video mode, and we got this really cool

960
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 2: little lesson that tied the whole hunt together. When we

961
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 2: got to the next next day, watch video of a

962
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 2: possum come out, come up and check it out, and

963
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: then a raccoon come up and start eating it, and

964
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: then a second raccoon come and nibble on it. And

965
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: so we got to kind of see this whole circle

966
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 2: of life kind of thing. And I had this opportunity

967
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 2: to teach this tiny little you know, ecology lesson I

968
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 2: guess about how well and something does die in nature,

969
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 2: other animals will come and feed on it, and so

970
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: it kind of just kind of goes around. Everything's got

971
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 2: to eat. And it made what was what could have

972
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 2: been just like a kid shooting something, turn into an

973
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 2: opportunity to learn about you know, well, if you shoot something,

974
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 2: we're gonna break it down, we're gonna try to eat it,

975
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 2: or we're gonna try to use it. And also this

976
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 2: is what happens afterwards, and this is how other animals

977
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 2: will benefit from it. And they thought, my kids thought

978
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 2: it was the coolest thing in the world. They were

979
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: so obsessed with watching that video and they want to

980
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:51,959
Speaker 2: show everyone the video and they want to tell everyone

981
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 2: the story. And it wasn't a story just about how

982
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 2: eever it shot its first bird, but now is the

983
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 2: story about how we got to see it, we got

984
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 2: to touch it, we got to see a raccoon eat it,

985
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. So it was it

986
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 2: was it was a fun, interesting example of maybe how

987
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 2: how to do that kind of stuff?

988
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 3: That is it that is cool.

989
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 2: So that leads me to my question about shooting. I

990
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 2: was curious what you have learned as you have been

991
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 2: trying to teach your girls to to shoot, whether it

992
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 2: be a firearm or archery. I've been, you know, just

993
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 2: starting with the BB gun with Everett, and both of

994
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 2: the boys have been you know, learning to shoot little bows.

995
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 2: So that's been a process. What what's worked for you

996
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 2: guys as you've gone through that process? And when did

997
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 2: you start?

998
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 3: Should I tell you what didn't work?

999
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 2: Sure?

1000
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 3: Man? So when it hasn't been that long in Minnesota

1001
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 3: where we've had no minimum age for turkeys, I don't

1002
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 3: remember when they changed it, but it wasn't it wasn't

1003
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 3: super long ago. But when they did, you know, I

1004
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 3: was like, oh, thank god, I can take my girls hunting.

1005
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 3: So I impulsively went out and bought a little Youth

1006
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 3: Model twenty gauge, and I thought this will be perfect,

1007
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 3: you know, like they will start on the I mean,

1008
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 3: we started with a BB gun and then we shot

1009
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 3: at twenty two and I was like, but this will

1010
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 3: be their first like turkey gun. And I took the

1011
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 3: girls out, and you know, I bought one of those

1012
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 3: bog pods that the Death Grip deals that you can

1013
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,720
Speaker 3: lock a gun in there, you know, and that kicks

1014
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 3: that that that holds down the recoil a little bit

1015
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 3: because it's pretty heavy. And anyway, my my one daughter,

1016
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 3: my lunatic daughter, she squares up to it to shoot,

1017
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 3: and I had a you know, it was like a

1018
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 3: little trapload in there, like seven and a half two

1019
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 3: and three quarter or whatever, and so I'm like, this

1020
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 3: will be no big deal. And I'm watching her take

1021
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 3: her first shot. And she picked her head up then

1022
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 3: pulled the trigger, so now there was like two inches

1023
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 3: of space between her face and this gun. And this

1024
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 3: gun kicks a lot because it's so small, and she

1025
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 3: got a bloody lip, fat lip, and I just like

1026
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 3: it was like a car wreck in slow motion. I'm like, oh,

1027
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 3: you have you have screwed up so bad, and I

1028
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 3: knew it. And she was like, well, I'm not shooting

1029
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 3: that gun anymore. And I was. My other daughter was

1030
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 3: okay with it, but she didn't like it. And I'm like,

1031
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 3: this was so dumb, so dumb, and I had to

1032
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 3: I just happened to have a little four ten twenty

1033
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 3: two little savage that I bought when I was in

1034
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 3: high school to hunt, you know, squirrels and rabbits and whatever.

1035
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 3: And I was like, well, honey, I have a smaller

1036
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 3: gun we could try. And I had to. I had

1037
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 3: to back up the process and start with a BB

1038
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 3: gun again because she was like understandably flinching like crazy,

1039
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I can't take her hunting because she's

1040
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 3: gonna it's it's going to be a train wreck. And

1041
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 3: so I had to go all the way through the

1042
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 3: process of shooting at twenty two again and then finally

1043
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 3: shooting that four ten. But it took until this year

1044
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,720
Speaker 3: when they're eleven to get her to shoot a different gun.

1045
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 3: She's like, I like that four ten because it doesn't

1046
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 3: I always want to shoot that. But that's like a

1047
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 3: base level turkey gun, you know, like if you can

1048
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 3: find the turkey loads for it. And I'm like, we

1049
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 3: need to, you know, we need to like jump up

1050
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 3: a level here at some point. But it was it

1051
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 3: was a dumb thing on my part, and it was like,

1052
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 3: you know, we've been dealing it with it for three years,

1053
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 3: just that one mistake, you know, and I feel like

1054
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 3: we're kind of over it. But it was just you

1055
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 3: gotta be so careful with that stuff, like you can't.

1056
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 3: I think when you're talking about introducing kids to guns,

1057
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,919
Speaker 3: you can't take it too slow. There is no such

1058
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 3: thing as too slow, but there is too fast.

1059
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:58,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. You have they shot any kind of small rifle

1060
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 2: or anything, Yeah, like a twenty two or anything.

1061
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 3: Well, they've shot twenty twos a lot. And that was

1062
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 3: kind of our bridge, right, because that's it. That's a

1063
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 3: gun with no kick, but it has a loud enough bang. Yeah,

1064
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 3: where you know, and obviously they're using hearing protection and stuff.

1065
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 3: But it's weird. You know, we kind of take it

1066
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 3: for granted. We're like we throw on hearing protection and

1067
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 3: shoot a muzzle or shud rifle whatever. They're just loud,

1068
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 3: but you're using protection. But they they just view it differently.

1069
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 3: Like they'll ask me, you know, if we if we

1070
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 3: go to shoot a new gun, they'll be like, how

1071
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 3: loud is it? I'm like, it's as loud as every

1072
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 3: other gun. Like they're all out, they're breaking the sound barrier.

1073
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it's it's a post do you

1074
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 2: do that annoying thing where like you say, like it's

1075
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 2: breaking the sound barrier? And speaking of which, did you

1076
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 2: know the latest rocket can reach the next planet and

1077
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 2: this speed and based on the propulsion power of this rocket.

1078
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 2: Did you know that, Elon, Is that the kind of

1079
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 2: dad you are? Uh? Probably so okay, So now.

1080
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 3: We use such an angry, condescending voice to describe it.

1081
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 3: But yeah, maybe.

1082
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 2: I'm like that, so sorry, continue, But anyway.

1083
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 3: You gotta be careful with it. And you know, that's

1084
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 3: one of the things that I don't know if we've

1085
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 3: really talked about this or not, but they have. I

1086
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 3: bought them a youth vertical bow. They're they're kind of

1087
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 3: getting used to that a little bit, but they've been

1088
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 3: hunting with a crossbow for deer, and you know, I'm

1089
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 3: I'm not interested in crossbows. They're not fun for me.

1090
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 3: You're just not my thing. But for kids, you know,

1091
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 3: they're not loud, they don't kick, they're insanely accurate, so

1092
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 3: that makes them fun to shoot it. And that was

1093
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 3: kind of another bridge for me, was they're like, I

1094
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 3: love shooting this. You know, you don't. You don't have

1095
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 3: to worry about the bang, you don't have to worry

1096
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 3: about the recoil. And so that was kind of another

1097
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,919
Speaker 3: thing I did not see coming, you know, partially because

1098
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 3: I had almost no experience with them when I bought

1099
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,720
Speaker 3: one for them, you know, but you just you find

1100
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 3: different ways to just like make this process happen. But

1101
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 3: it's a slow one. I mean it can be and

1102
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 3: probably should be. You know.

1103
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, what age did you get him start with a crossbow?

1104
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 2: Crossbows kind of freaked me out for some reason, Like

1105
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 2: there's just a lot of power packed into that pullback string,

1106
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 2: and even when I've shot them in the past, like

1107
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 2: I'm just like, keep those fingers down, keep those fingers down. Yeah, yeah,

1108
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 2: when did you When did that start with them? And

1109
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 2: what was that like early on?

1110
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 3: I started with him when so I bought them this

1111
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 3: youth cross bow when they were like eight, and you know,

1112
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 3: they would come out and target shoot with me some

1113
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 3: you know. And I'm the same way, man, I when

1114
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 3: I shoot a crossbow or I handle a cross bow,

1115
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm trying to ride a unicycle. Yeah,

1116
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 3: it is an awkward thing that I just I'm not

1117
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 3: comfortable with kind of like you know, when we were

1118
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 3: out in Montana last month and the uh doing that

1119
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 3: long range rifle shoot we did, Yeah, I was so uncomfortable,

1120
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 3: you know, like that was so unnatural for men, you know,

1121
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 3: I don't shoot rifles that way. That that whole thing.

1122
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 3: It was cool. But that kind of stuff's a good

1123
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 3: reminder to us because you know, we're so comfortable picking

1124
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 3: up a bow or you know, like I'm so comfortable

1125
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 3: handing only a shotgun in my life, and so you

1126
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 3: take it for granted. But with a kid, all that

1127
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 3: stuff's new, and so you kind of just gotta like,

1128
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 3: you gotta slowly get them into there. But the crossbow

1129
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 3: thing was an easy transition, and it was it was

1130
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 3: fun because those things are so stupid accurate. If they're

1131
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 3: shooting at a deer target at like twenty yards, they

1132
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 3: don't hardly ever screw up. Yeah, you know what I mean,

1133
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 3: it's like it's a different thing. I mean when people

1134
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 3: are like, oh, they're the same thing as a vertical bow,

1135
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 3: I'm like, uh uh, You're like they're just not. Like,

1136
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 3: let's not pretend they are. But I'm happy that we

1137
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 3: got to go through that there. Like if you would

1138
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 3: have asked me ten years ago if I want crossbows

1139
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 3: in Wisconsin, have said absolutely not. But then when I've

1140
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 3: got little girls and they want to shoot something and

1141
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 3: I could deer hunt with them, I'm like, I think

1142
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 3: I'll change my stance on this a little bit, you know.

1143
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I can see that.

1144
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 3: Hold on, They're they're legal in Michigan too, right, Yeah.

1145
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 3: How do you feel about it? Like, how do you

1146
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 3: feel about it with the boys? Uh?

1147
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess I haven't thought terribly hard

1148
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 2: about it, but I think I guess I don't know.

1149
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 3: You're not you're kind of agnostic on it. You're like,

1150
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 3: I might take him with it. I might not.

1151
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 2: Yes, I would, I would say I'm agnostic. I know

1152
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 2: that Everett has an interest in shooting a vertical bow.

1153
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 2: He's already shooting, you know, a little wheelbow. Probably this

1154
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 2: year gonna get him one of those tiny compounds. They

1155
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 2: are super adjustable, and I think he's pretty jacked about that,

1156
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 2: and we'll want to go that route. But at the

1157
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 2: same time, if I told him he could go out

1158
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:01,439
Speaker 2: there and use a crossbow sooner, you know, he would

1159
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 2: probably like, yeah, whatever, I'll use whatever I can do

1160
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 2: to be out there and hunt. So in that case,

1161
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 2: I mean, to your point, they're super I don't have

1162
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,479
Speaker 2: any fundamental issue with crossbows personally. It's not my jam,

1163
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 2: it's not what I want to use. And there's been

1164
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 2: from everything. I've seen a lot of studies out there

1165
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 2: that have shown that it's not changing the actual harvest.

1166
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 2: Even it might be changing the percentage it's killed in

1167
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 2: archery versus gun season, but it's you know, it's not

1168
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 2: decimating deer herds anywhere, it's not ruining age structure anywhere,

1169
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 2: it's not actually messing up the resource. So if it's

1170
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 2: if it's helping people have a good time out there

1171
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 2: and keeping people hunting longer or getting them started sooner,

1172
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 2: I guess I don't see a whole lot of reasons

1173
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 2: to hate on it, other than like it might not

1174
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 2: be the experience we want personally or for some people.

1175
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 2: So in that case, like if my kids were like, man,

1176
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 2: I really want to get after it, and they're not

1177
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 2: quite ready with a vertical bow, but I think they

1178
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:57,919
Speaker 2: could do it with the crossbow, I guess that would

1179
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 2: probably be on board with it, as long as it

1180
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 2: doesn't keep them from you know, pursuing the practice and

1181
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 2: the you know work necessary to become proficient with a

1182
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 2: vertical bow, because I know that's such a great experience,

1183
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 2: that's such a great thing to to work on to

1184
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 2: get good at. That is so much fun, and the

1185
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 2: the work necessary to get good with it, I think

1186
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 2: is a big part of why it's so good, you

1187
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Sure, Like I think a downside

1188
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 2: to crossbows is that they're so easy that it does

1189
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 2: not require the dedication. So I think, you know, there's

1190
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 2: an argument to be made, like vertical bow hunters have

1191
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 2: to dedicate themselves to their pursuit so much more than

1192
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 2: a crossbow hunter, because it's just just to become proficient

1193
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 2: at it, and to stay proficient requires an attention to

1194
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 2: detail and a certain amount of work in practice. That like,

1195
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 2: there's value in that. I think. I don't know how

1196
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 2: much value. I don't know, you know, I'm not going

1197
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 2: to say that they're better than the other. It's just

1198
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 2: a different thing that I find valuable, and so I

1199
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 2: would I would want that for my kids eventually. But

1200
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything wrong you know, doing a

1201
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:10,959
Speaker 2: little bit of both to get.

1202
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 3: Started, I suppose, Yeah, you know, I'm I feel like

1203
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 3: you Obviously, I'm in a little different place because my

1204
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 3: girls have actually hunted with a crossbow. But my one

1205
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 3: daughter is really geeked up to hunt with a vertical bow.

1206
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 3: The other one's kind of so so on it. And

1207
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 3: you know, I have mixed feelings about that, because I

1208
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 3: want them to hunt the way I hunt, you know,

1209
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 3: like I want I want them to appreciate the process

1210
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 3: you're talking about, a learning how to become proficient with

1211
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 3: a vertical bow. But I also loved I mean, I

1212
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 3: really love the fact that, you know, I was like,

1213
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,479
Speaker 3: if I can get a deer within twenty yards, they're

1214
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 3: probably going to make a good shot, yeah, you know,

1215
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 3: and that because again, and it might be it's different

1216
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 3: with different kids, but I was like, it's so easy

1217
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 3: to make a big mistake with a vertical bowt you know,

1218
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 3: and if you're if you're in a ground blind at

1219
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 3: twenty yards on you know, pressure deer and they got

1220
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 3: to draw. I'm like, there's a good chance of a

1221
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 3: deer duck in the string a little bit or something.

1222
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 3: And just and maybe I'm just justifying taking them out

1223
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 3: with a crossbow early, but I feel like we're working

1224
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 3: into that stage you're talking about with a vertical bow,

1225
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 3: and so I don't necessarily feel like starting them on

1226
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 3: a crossbow took them like change the arc of their

1227
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 3: you know, their hunting career. But at the same time.

1228
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 3: I'm not there yet, Like they're not hunting with a

1229
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 3: vertical bow, and I don't I worry because they'll have

1230
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,919
Speaker 3: that crutch. Right if we go out and they miss

1231
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 3: a deer or something bad happens with a vertical bow,

1232
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 3: they'll know they can go back to that easier weapon.

1233
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 3: And you know, maybe that really doesn't matter. Maybe this

1234
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 3: is something like I'm bringing to the table, but it

1235
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 3: it is something that I devote some of my mental

1236
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 3: horsepower too, because I think about it a lot, and

1237
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 3: I don't I just don't. No, I don't know where

1238
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 3: that shakes out.

1239
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think you make a lot

1240
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,919
Speaker 2: of good points there, and probably the most important thing

1241
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 2: is to make get fun and get them out there

1242
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 2: and ease them into this situation with as little risk

1243
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 2: for a catastrophic instant as possible. And you know they'll

1244
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 2: get there when they get there with this other stuff.

1245
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 2: But I mean, if you were to compare, like, what's

1246
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 2: the worst case scenario with each the worst case scenario

1247
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 2: with the crossbow, let's say is like, well, they end

1248
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 2: up looking at it as a crutch and they just

1249
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 2: use that all the time and they don't develop a

1250
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 2: love of shooting a vertical bowl like you do. Okay,

1251
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 2: that's a bummer, but they're still hunting. They still like

1252
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 2: to get out there. While like the worst case scenario

1253
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 2: with a vertical ball might be man, they spined one.

1254
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 2: It was a really devastating thing to see and experience,

1255
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 2: and they never want to do it again. They're done hunting,

1256
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:55,919
Speaker 2: you know, So you make a I mean, that's hard

1257
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:56,919
Speaker 2: to argue against, right there.

1258
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, any you know, it's weird too because we the

1259
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 3: way we feel about vertical bows and crossbows, we bring

1260
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 3: like so much personal baggage with it. Yeah, but I wouldn't.

1261
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 3: I wouldn't feel that way if my little girls are like, hey,

1262
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 3: can we rifle hunt deer? Even though I'm almost as

1263
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 3: unfamiliar with deer rifles as I am with crossbows, Like,

1264
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 3: I mean, not quite. You know, I've filled a few

1265
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 3: deer with a rifle, and I'm you know what, it's

1266
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 3: a little different. But it wouldn't even I wouldn't feel

1267
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 3: like that took away from the archery experience I want

1268
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 3: them to have, right you know. It's just like sometimes

1269
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 3: you just like bring a little bit too much bullshit

1270
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 3: to the table, I think, and it maybe doesn't matter.

1271
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're probably right. We're just bringing our

1272
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Speaker 2: own stuff.

1273
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 3: So hey, can I make a prediction here? Yeah, I'm

1274
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 3: going to go I'm going to say that Mark Kenyon's

1275
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 3: sons will start with a cross bow because they'll be

1276
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 3: able to hunt earlier with that than they will with

1277
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 3: a vertical bow. So I'm I'm looking at my crystal

1278
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 3: ball and I'm going to say that those Kenyan boys

1279
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 3: are gonna kill their first year with the crossbow.

1280
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 2: You probably aren't too far off. Uh yeah, I mean

1281
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 2: Effort would be out there this year right at your

1282
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 2: rock and roll if I told him he could be

1283
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 2: using one of those crossbowts and he could do it.

1284
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 2: He's uh, he's a fiend. I Uh. I told the story.

1285
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 2: I think it was last week on the podcast, but

1286
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 2: I'll just give you the ten second version. I was

1287
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 2: gonna take him out the other day just to go

1288
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 2: with me on a turkey hunt quote unquote, like just

1289
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 2: to go call him in like we've done the past,

1290
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 2: and he just started crying like devastate. I'm like, why

1291
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 2: are you upset? He's like, I want us to kill

1292
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 2: a real bird, Dad. We gotta get a real bird.

1293
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 2: We gotta get him. It's like I don't have my license, yeat,

1294
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 2: Like I wasn't playing and actually going for a week.

1295
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 2: But he just wants to hunt, like really hunt, so

1296
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 2: so so bad and if if he can't be shooting,

1297
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 2: he wants me to be really really bad. So uh

1298
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 2: so yeah, he's uh, he's ready to rock and roll.

1299
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 2: Is there any big thing you've learned when it comes

1300
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 2: to the deer hunting side of things with all this?

1301
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 2: I mean, we've talked about balancing the fun, We've talked

1302
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 2: about balancing the discomfort. We've talked about balancing the risk

1303
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 2: of something bad happening. I think all that kind of

1304
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 2: all comes to it's like greatest highest point with like

1305
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 2: the big creature like a deer and all that. What

1306
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 2: are some of the things you've learned about just handling

1307
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 2: that full experience the right way? Anythings have gone wrong

1308
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 2: or have gone really right as you've gone down that

1309
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 2: path further and further, I would.

1310
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 3: Say a couple of the things that I've learned is,

1311
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 3: you know, the more that I can get them involved,

1312
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 3: like we talked about, in any part of the process,

1313
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,919
Speaker 3: so I you know, we hunt on the ground lines,

1314
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 3: we run trail cameras, and I want them to help

1315
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 3: me set that stuff up. So I guess a different

1316
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 3: way to look at this is we view this as parents.

1317
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 3: We go, we're we're the guides, we're taking them out,

1318
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 3: we control the situation. And that's largely true, but not

1319
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 3: to the extent that it seems you end up kind

1320
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 3: of realizing that you have to treat this like a partnership.

1321
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 3: And so, yeah, I need them to go help me

1322
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:34,600
Speaker 3: set up so they appreciate what it's like to be

1323
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 3: out there and get bit by a few deer flies

1324
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 3: and you know, do a little work. But then I

1325
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 3: also need to just back off and really listen to

1326
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,759
Speaker 3: them when you know, we're hunting, if they're super tired

1327
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 3: and they don't want to get up like tomorrow, if

1328
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 3: they're like it's been three days in a row, I

1329
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 3: have to respect that because because I've pushed it too far,

1330
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 3: or if we're out there and I can just I'm

1331
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 3: getting the vibe that they're done for this sit you know,

1332
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 3: if it's you know, eight thirty in the morning, and

1333
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 3: you know, I'm like, man, we should stick this out

1334
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,599
Speaker 3: for a while. But if they're if the signals are

1335
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 3: going up and they're done. I have to respect that

1336
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 3: because it's not my hunt. And that's a hard thing, man,

1337
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 3: because it's like there's sometimes they're just not feeling it

1338
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 3: quite the same way, or something changes and they're they're done,

1339
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 3: or you know, kind of like one of the things

1340
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 3: that has happened that actually broke in my favor was,

1341
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 3: you know, the girls are like, I'm not shooting a phone,

1342
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 3: I'm not shooting a dough with a fon. I want,

1343
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:40,600
Speaker 3: you know, this kind of buck or this kind of

1344
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:42,679
Speaker 3: dough or whatever. And I'm like, great, let's do that.

1345
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 3: But when deer get in front of them, they're like,

1346
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 3: I want to shoot that deer. And so you just

1347
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 3: like you just realize, You're like, I gotta let this

1348
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 3: happen for them, Like I got to set it up.

1349
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 3: I gotta help, you know, help put them into the position.

1350
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 3: But I don't want to influence so much that they're

1351
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 3: worried like, oh if I shoot this, like what's he

1352
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 3: gonna think? Or that, Like I want to leave that

1353
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,599
Speaker 3: wide open for them. You know, if they don't want

1354
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 3: to shoot it, great, If they want to, great, And

1355
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 3: then you know the process of like okay, if you

1356
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 3: take that shot. We have to work through every part

1357
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 3: of this now and just they just how you have

1358
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 3: to just do that. And it's it's hard because you

1359
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 3: want to control so much of every aspect of it,

1360
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 3: but it's not your hunt, you know, like it's literally

1361
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 3: not your hunt, and you that's a hard thing to

1362
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 3: just kind of reconcile.

1363
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 2: But it's true, man, and it's it's it's so true,

1364
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 2: and it can be painful sometimes when it goes back

1365
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:49,719
Speaker 2: to what we talked about earlier, with like how bad

1366
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 2: we want it versus how bad they want it to happen.

1367
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 2: You know, I had like two different great examples of

1368
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 2: this last year. Last year I got to take Everet

1369
01:10:58,280 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 2: hunting with me a lot. It was like the best

1370
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 2: thing I did last season was you know, prioritizing hunting

1371
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 2: time with him, and so, I mean, you know, in

1372
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 2: past years, I would have been so obsessed with like

1373
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 2: I need to maximize every single moment I have to

1374
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 2: kill a big deer, blah blah blah. And last year

1375
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 2: I was like, no, we're gonna have fun. And so

1376
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 2: I think like seven or eight hunts, you know, during

1377
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 2: pretty good times of the year, I was hunting with

1378
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 2: Everett and a couple times that like that cost us

1379
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 2: because I was hunting his hunt and like listening to

1380
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 2: his signals. But I mean, like like one perfect examples,

1381
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 2: we went like, we're gonna get a deal. He was

1382
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 2: so excited, he said, I want us to get a

1383
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 2: dough together. We're gonna do It's gonna be a great time.

1384
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 2: So we went out. I had all the stuff, you know,

1385
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 2: we had. You know, I kind of figured out the

1386
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 2: things he needs to make it through a sit He's

1387
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 2: pretty good. What we can get like a several hour

1388
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 2: sit in with him. He was four at the time

1389
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 2: this past season. But you know, he needs some reading material,

1390
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 2: he needs a lot of snacks, he needs uh, you know,

1391
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 2: his binocular so he can look at stuff. He's a

1392
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 2: few things along the way to get him through it.

1393
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 2: But we got to the end of the night. It's

1394
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 2: like the last fifteen minutes and like I'm seeing deer

1395
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:12,719
Speaker 2: moving coming our way, and he's also like, Dad, gotta

1396
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 2: go to the bathroom. I'm like, all right, well, there's

1397
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 2: only fifteen minutes left. He's like, Okay, you're right, I

1398
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 2: can just hold him. Ten minutes later, the dose are

1399
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 2: getting closer and closer, I'm like, all right, man, get ready,

1400
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 2: and he's like I really think I got a poop, Dad,

1401
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, can't you hold It's only like

1402
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 2: eight more minutes and this deer coming, We're about to

1403
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 2: get him. He's like okay, yes, sure, And like a

1404
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 2: minute later, they're like approaching range, say Dad, yeah, get

1405
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 2: a poop. We gotta go, Like, well, dang it, they're

1406
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 2: right here, like can't you just we could get a deer?

1407
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 2: And I want it so bad and I want to

1408
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 2: fight him on this because I know he can hold it.

1409
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 2: He's he's a big kid. But you get to see

1410
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 2: he's like he's like, nah, I'm ready to go now.

1411
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 2: I'm ready to go back home. And like, okay, all right,

1412
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna fight it, not gonna We just gotta go.

1413
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 2: Or another time I took him up to our cabin

1414
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 2: up north and the last day of the hunt, and

1415
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 2: there was a lot of fresh snow from overnight, and

1416
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 2: we walk out to our blind that we'd set up

1417
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 2: and there are there are fresh tracks from a deer

1418
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 2: that had not a deer, like a buck, like pretty

1419
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 2: darn obvious buck. Tracks that a calm come and walked

1420
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 2: right past the blind relatively recently, and you know, I

1421
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 2: thought to myself, man, that's great, we got fresh tracks.

1422
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 2: This buck come walking through. You know, he very well

1423
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 2: might come back through. There might be some other deer

1424
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 2: passing through. Conditions are great. But at the same time,

1425
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 2: like we might want to just follow this and he

1426
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 2: might have fun just following this track. So I'm like, hey, buddy,

1427
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 2: what do you want to do. We could sit in

1428
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 2: the blind. We got a good chance that, you know,

1429
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 2: these deer might come circling back through. We might see

1430
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 2: something else. Or if you want, we could just go

1431
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:47,679
Speaker 2: walk that track and see what happens. He's like, let's

1432
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 2: walk the track, Dad, we gotta go walk the track.

1433
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 2: And of course that's what he wants to do. So

1434
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 2: we go and we walked that track and he's, you know,

1435
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 2: making noise. He's having a blast, like he was having

1436
01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:00,120
Speaker 2: a lot of fun with it and like trying to

1437
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:01,600
Speaker 2: to find what he was doing and where he was

1438
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 2: going and what was going on. But you know, long

1439
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 2: story short, we follow the track for like an hour

1440
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 2: and then he's tired. He's like, I'm done for the day.

1441
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 3: Dad.

1442
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 2: That was great, but you know, I'm done, And so

1443
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 2: we go back to the cabin and I had to

1444
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 2: go back to the blind though, to break it down

1445
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 2: and take it home with us. So he goes back

1446
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 2: to the cabin with my dad and I go walk

1447
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 2: back to the blind and I see in the snow

1448
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 2: that Buck had circled back and walked in front of

1449
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 2: the blind, like twenty yards from the blind within the

1450
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 2: last hour. So while we were walking his track, he

1451
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 2: came circling back and walked right past there. And I thought, Man,

1452
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 2: if we just sat in the dang thing, then you

1453
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 2: know that Buck might have circled back because we were

1454
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 2: on his track, So maybe not, but if we would

1455
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 2: just sat, we would have had a chance at a

1456
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 2: deer at deer camp up there together for the first time.

1457
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 2: And you know, you're just like, man, you never know.

1458
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 2: But we did the thing that he wanted to do,

1459
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 2: and you know, that's great. I think he had a

1460
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 2: great time and it was fun. But there's so many

1461
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 2: examples like this where I have to pull myself back

1462
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 2: from doing the thing that I think is best for

1463
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 2: the hunt or And this is something that I think

1464
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 2: I talked to you, maybe off air about but sometimes

1465
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,680
Speaker 2: not putting them at least at this age that he's in,

1466
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:22,639
Speaker 2: I'm maybe not rushing him into a high stakes situation, yeah,

1467
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 2: because they're just not quite ready, or maybe they are,

1468
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:29,599
Speaker 2: but you know, it forces me to be more serious.

1469
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 2: So the thing I had happened last year is, at

1470
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 2: one point during our firearm season, I saw I scouted

1471
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 2: a mature buck using an area several days in a

1472
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 2: row that I had a couple blinds set up, like

1473
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 2: I had a child friendly hunting situation set up, and

1474
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 2: there was a four year old buck that I knew

1475
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 2: that I knew of and kind of knew his jam,

1476
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 2: but I wasn't actively hunting. But now here he's showing

1477
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 2: up and he's going past these couple of blinds I've

1478
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:04,679
Speaker 2: set up in a place where like I could actually

1479
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 2: have a chance to kill this year with my five

1480
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 2: or four year old with me. And so I wasn't

1481
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 2: playing hunting this year. I was gonna give h another year.

1482
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 2: But I thought, man, this could be pretty sweet, and

1483
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 2: so I asked ever, I'm like, man, do you want

1484
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:18,759
Speaker 2: to go after the wide nine? Like he's he's around,

1485
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 2: he's for some reason like active in this zone. We

1486
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 2: could actually get a crack at him, and of course, like, yeah,

1487
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 2: we're gonna go kill the wide nine. Let's do it.

1488
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 2: So I take him out that first night and get

1489
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 2: set up and like it's a pretty good situation. And

1490
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 2: sure enough, like we see him. He comes out. He

1491
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 2: comes out farther out of range than I really wanted

1492
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 2: him to be at and I decided not to take

1493
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 2: the shot because I just didn't want anything. I wanted

1494
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 2: to be perfect, Like I did not want to ruin

1495
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 2: a great season by you know, hitting a deer bad

1496
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 2: with my son watching it. And I'm not a long

1497
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 2: range shooter, as you know, Tony. So I was like, man,

1498
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 2: I want this deer within one hundred and fifty yards

1499
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 2: dead broadside, standing still, like I want everything to be perfect.

1500
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 2: But throughout the night, like I kept catching myself do

1501
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 2: the thing I mentioned earlier where I'm like, because I

1502
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 2: was so amped up to like get a shot at

1503
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 2: a mature buck with my son and have him get

1504
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 2: to be there for it. I wanted everything to go

1505
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 2: just right, you know. So I was snapping at him

1506
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:17,639
Speaker 2: to you gotta whisp, you gotta whisp, You just gotta

1507
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 2: stop moving, you gotta if you're in a movie, you

1508
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:20,600
Speaker 2: gotta be lower than the blind. You can't do that,

1509
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 2: can't do this, can't do that. You gotta do this right.

1510
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 2: And I kept catching myself and then that whole thing happened.

1511
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 2: Didn't take the shot. The next day, the wind shifted,

1512
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 2: but I could hunt this ground blind that I had

1513
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 2: out there about one hundred yards away that would still

1514
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 2: have us in the ballgame. And then the same thing.

1515
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 2: Now I'm even more on edge because first we are

1516
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 2: in like a more fully enclosed blind, but now we're

1517
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 2: in like a kind of really creddy old heybale blind

1518
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 2: that you know, just is kind of more exposed. And

1519
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 2: I just knew, like, man, if we do anything wrong

1520
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 2: where at eye level? Uh? Just I was even more

1521
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 2: on edge now that day and so kept finding myself,

1522
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 2: you know, just being on him about whispering, about moving

1523
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 2: about everything. And after that hunt, we actually saw that

1524
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 2: buck again that night at last light. But it was

1525
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 2: a similar thing, like just it was like right like

1526
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:13,600
Speaker 2: literally like seconds until the end of shooting light. It

1527
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:15,640
Speaker 2: was not like a comfortable good position for me to

1528
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:17,720
Speaker 2: be shooting. I'm like, man, I just don't feel great

1529
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 2: about this. I don't want to mess anything up. But

1530
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 2: like that night that the kind of moral of my

1531
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 2: whole story is that night I thought to myself, man,

1532
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:28,639
Speaker 2: we could keep going after this deer. Like he did

1533
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 2: not nowhere around. We were able to slip in and out,

1534
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 2: and he you know, had moved off at the right times,

1535
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 2: and so like we were not educating this deer. To

1536
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 2: my knowledge, the situation could allow us to get a

1537
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 2: shot at this deer. But do I really want to

1538
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:44,879
Speaker 2: keep like putting my son in this high pressure situation

1539
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 2: that I'm creating for him and like making it so

1540
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 2: intense when he was perfectly happy just being out there

1541
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 2: having a good old time, regardless of whether it's a

1542
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:56,679
Speaker 2: mature buck or not, you know. And so we eventually decided, like,

1543
01:18:56,760 --> 01:19:00,240
Speaker 2: let's just chill out. Let's just let's just relax, get

1544
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 2: back out after a dough again, Let's not make this

1545
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 2: more than it has to be. Because he was enjoying

1546
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 2: the simple thing of it. He doesn't need the big

1547
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 2: giant buck for his dad to shoot for this still

1548
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 2: to be fun. And why like risk making this a

1549
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 2: non fun thing because dad's on edge? You know?

1550
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, that's I think that's a

1551
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 3: mistake that a lot of people make with you know,

1552
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 3: newbies and kids. Is when you bring some level of

1553
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 3: trophy hunt to it, it changes everything and it's just

1554
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:36,680
Speaker 3: you know. That was one of the things that I

1555
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 3: noticed with my girls when I took them was it

1556
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 3: was so fun to not care. I mean, we were

1557
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 3: hunting in a place where you weren't going to see

1558
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:49,799
Speaker 3: a big one anyway, probably, but you know, a spike

1559
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 3: to them was like, oh my god, you know, like

1560
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 3: that that part's pretty fun and you have to be

1561
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,599
Speaker 3: aware of that. Like even that that that you're like, oh,

1562
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 3: I'd give him another year, whatever, is cool, he's around.

1563
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 3: Once you turn into the guy hunting that deer, then

1564
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 3: you care a lot. Yeah, you know, I mean it

1565
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:09,120
Speaker 3: just changes.

1566
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 2: It's funny how quick that flip can switch.

1567
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 3: Oh dude, it it just it's different. It makes it different,

1568
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 3: and it's I don't know. I mean, we had this

1569
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 3: situation a little bit when I, like the very first

1570
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:26,800
Speaker 3: night I ever took one of my daughters hunting. We

1571
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 3: were just snowed in with deer. It was the best

1572
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 3: Northern Wisconsin hunt I've ever had in my life, and

1573
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 3: we had like seven bucks come out, including a nine

1574
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:39,639
Speaker 3: pointer that was like one hundred and fifty inches. Whoa

1575
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 3: I mean like a once in a decade encounter and

1576
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 3: that deer is at like forty yards and I just

1577
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 3: I was so torn because I'm like, she can't shoot

1578
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 3: that far and she doesn't really grasp what this is.

1579
01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 3: And she ended up and we ended up having some

1580
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 3: does come in late. But it's man, it's just changes thing.

1581
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:05,520
Speaker 3: The big buck thing changes things so much. It's a

1582
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 3: it's almost better to just take them hunting, like you said,

1583
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 3: only for doze or just in a situation where you're like,

1584
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:14,919
Speaker 3: this is just an easy field edge setup or something,

1585
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 3: and you know, like you're you're probably not gonna see

1586
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 3: that big buck, and it's way more important just to

1587
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 3: get animals close, yeah, you know, just whatever they are.

1588
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. Even even another thing I've started to

1589
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 2: do is even just take them out to hunt quote

1590
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 2: unquote hunt out of season, so we're not taking weapons,

1591
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 2: Like we're just gonna go sit in the blind and

1592
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 2: just watch, dear. We're just gonna go out and call

1593
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 2: the turkeys. We're not actually trying to shoot them. But

1594
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:46,600
Speaker 2: like that way, like the pressure is removed, but we

1595
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 2: can still have fun, you know, learning about the critter,

1596
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 2: watching the critter, practicing the things you need to do

1597
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 2: while you're hunting, but without me being so manic because

1598
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 2: there's no real repercussions for screw ups, you know. Like

1599
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 2: that's the way I've built in a way to like

1600
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:06,639
Speaker 2: have fun out there with them practicing the hunting thing

1601
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:09,559
Speaker 2: and just removing the thing that I know I will

1602
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 2: naturally like like fighting against my instincts, I'll just remove

1603
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 2: part of it. And that has been a fun thing

1604
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 2: to do. Like postseason after deer season, will still go

1605
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 2: out and like watch deer or pre season turkeys, will

1606
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 2: go out and call in spots where I'm not going

1607
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:27,600
Speaker 2: to actually try to hunt, and like that's lots of

1608
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 2: times just as much fun for them. Like they're they

1609
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 2: don't know the difference. They're having a blast.

1610
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, we do that too, And not only is

1611
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 3: it fun, but it's so beneficial. Yeah, getting just getting

1612
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 3: to watch animals. I think I think that's one of

1613
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 3: the biggest problems a lot of hunters have today is

1614
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 3: it's so easy to put out some trail cameras and

1615
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:54,640
Speaker 3: not you know, like long range scout. I'm not not

1616
01:22:54,920 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 3: observed deer or turkeys or whatever in their natural environment

1617
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 3: when you're not hunting them, because when you do that,

1618
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 3: you learn how they move and what they do, and

1619
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:08,840
Speaker 3: you know how they get from this point to that

1620
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 3: point and how relaxed they are a lot of times,

1621
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:15,400
Speaker 3: and it just is a is an education you can't

1622
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 3: get any other way, and it gives you so much

1623
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:21,640
Speaker 3: confidence and it's fun to take kids doing that. But

1624
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 3: I think just generally for hunters, and I know this

1625
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 3: sounds dumb, but the more you watch those critters when

1626
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,639
Speaker 3: you're not actively trying to kill them, the better you'll

1627
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 3: get it killing them.

1628
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, very true. You know, something came to mind that's

1629
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 2: not directly tied to that, but it is a thing.

1630
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 2: It is one of the interesting ways that my kids

1631
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 2: have helped teach me something and it's related to watching wildlife.

1632
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 2: And what we did is we it's very simple. I mean,

1633
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 2: I know lots of people do this, but we didn't

1634
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 2: have any bird feeders or birdhouses or anything like that

1635
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 2: up up until this past winter. We put out a

1636
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 2: couple bird houses and like a little suet thing and

1637
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 2: our bird feeders and stuff like that right by the

1638
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 2: window to our bedroom in this like little area that

1639
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 2: we've kind of let turn into like a little uh

1640
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 2: wildlife zone, I don't know, like a red We kind

1641
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 2: of rewilded a little power of our yard and we're like,

1642
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 2: let the girl get grass, grow up, put a little

1643
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 2: brush pile, got a couple of apple trees, putting the

1644
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 2: bird feeders, playing some wildflowers, stuff like that. And my

1645
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:34,759
Speaker 2: son especially, but both of them, well my oldest son especially,

1646
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 2: but now both of them, in a way that I

1647
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 2: never would have expected, and in a way like I

1648
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 2: never have been fascinated by have become like completely enthralled

1649
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 2: with these birds that come in, and I mean like

1650
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 2: they're obsessed, Like they get up in the morning on

1651
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 2: run to the bedroom to go see what birds are out.

1652
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 2: And we got a little spotting scope and then we

1653
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:55,759
Speaker 2: got a bird identification book. And now all of a sudden,

1654
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:57,720
Speaker 2: my son like this is something that I have not

1655
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:00,160
Speaker 2: pushed at all, Like I have no interest in and

1656
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:03,640
Speaker 2: songbirds in that kind of stuff historically. But he's like,

1657
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:06,840
Speaker 2: now he's identifying every different species. And then he wanted

1658
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 2: to make a list of every different species we've ide'd

1659
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 2: and now he can tell me how to tell the

1660
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 2: difference between a tough to tipmouse and a black hatch

1661
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:17,640
Speaker 2: chickadee and a red belly woodpecker versus a downy woodpecker

1662
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:21,599
Speaker 2: versus affiliated woodpecker. And he's got this list of all

1663
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 2: the different birds we've seen, and he's got the book

1664
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 2: and can point them all out, and he's learning the

1665
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 2: calls and this kind of stuff that I just gloss over,

1666
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 2: like I get so focused on like the big, big, charismatic,

1667
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 2: megapaonic kind of stuff. And he's giving me this new

1668
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:42,599
Speaker 2: appreciation for the little things. And so, for the first

1669
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 2: time in years, probably, I was driving down the road

1670
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 2: just past the house and I noticed a bird that

1671
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:52,720
Speaker 2: we had not seen before, and I thought, that's a

1672
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 2: new bird species. I gotta look that up. And I

1673
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 2: never would have done that before, And I thought, like,

1674
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 2: how cool is that? Like my son is bringing his

1675
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 2: passion to me and teaching me something and helping open

1676
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 2: my eyes to something in the natural world. And I

1677
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 2: think that's one of the coolest things about introducing your

1678
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 2: kids to the outdoors is that they can introduce you

1679
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 2: right back into it too.

1680
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 3: Do you know what that story tells me, Mark.

1681
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 4: What's that you don't need to do a paternity test,

1682
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 4: that one's yours? Yeah, Yeah, I think everybody listening to

1683
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 4: this is like, yeah, I'm not surprised at all as

1684
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:32,720
Speaker 4: the l Kenyan junior is dorking out on songbirds like this.

1685
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:34,400
Speaker 3: This sounds about right, man.

1686
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah we saw that coming. Oh yeah man. So h

1687
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 2: so we got to wrap this one up. I've got

1688
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 2: to take my son to school, speaking of But I

1689
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 2: guess to maybe set the stage for where this is

1690
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 2: going to go next. And we're pulling some folks with

1691
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 2: more expertise than you and I, Tony to share some

1692
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:58,720
Speaker 2: different ideas. But I guess a point I want to

1693
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:00,839
Speaker 2: make here, And I think this came through a conversation,

1694
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 2: but I want to kind of explicitly make it. And

1695
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 2: I guess I'll say this for myself and you tell

1696
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 2: me whether this is if you think this is true

1697
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 2: or not. But I constantly feel like I still don't

1698
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:13,679
Speaker 2: have it figured out, Like there's so much I still

1699
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 2: don't know yet. I still have so many questions about

1700
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:18,400
Speaker 2: the right way to handle this stuff with my kids,

1701
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:21,080
Speaker 2: the right way to bring them into these traditions and

1702
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 2: these pursuits, the right way to teach them. Like I

1703
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 2: constantly feel like I don't know what I'm doing, and

1704
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 2: I'm like walking around with the lights off and I'm

1705
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 2: feeling my way around and just trying to figure it

1706
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:34,760
Speaker 2: out one step at a time. And and I guess

1707
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 2: I want to explicitly say that that's how I feel

1708
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:41,200
Speaker 2: a lot, and it's okay if you feel that way too.

1709
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:44,320
Speaker 2: Does that resonate with you, Tony?

1710
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 3: Oh man, are you kidding me? Wait? Dude, when they

1711
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:52,439
Speaker 3: handed me two babies when I was I was like,

1712
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 3: I don't this is not this should not be like

1713
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 3: this is a mistake. I can't do this. And you

1714
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 3: feel that way all the time, and I'm you know,

1715
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:04,639
Speaker 3: I always joke like with my wife, I'm like, I'm

1716
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:08,439
Speaker 3: so freaking manly, how come I have two girls? You know?

1717
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 3: Like I'm like I don't know how to raise girls,

1718
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 3: Like I don't know what I'm doing, and you just

1719
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:17,160
Speaker 3: figure it out. I mean, you just do. And I

1720
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 3: want to say something on this beyond that, Like if

1721
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 3: you're listening to this and you're like not at a

1722
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:25,680
Speaker 3: stage where you're like I'm not having kids or for

1723
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:29,880
Speaker 3: whatever reason, and you're like this this doesn't value me,

1724
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 3: or like doesn't bring value to me very much. Taking

1725
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 3: people who don't know what they're doing out there will

1726
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 3: make you better. Like whether it's your own five year

1727
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 3: old or eight year old or whatever, or if you're

1728
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 3: just taking that coworker who express an interest or whatever.

1729
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 3: When you have to think through how to get somebody

1730
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 3: who has no experience or very little experience into something

1731
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,200
Speaker 3: good out there in the outdoors hunting white tails or whatever,

1732
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 3: you will get better. So, at the very least, if

1733
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 3: there's if this is like I'm not this doesn't resonate

1734
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:05,520
Speaker 3: with me at all, Like there's like a selfish, beneficial

1735
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 3: reason to doing this, which is just you. You will

1736
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 3: become a better hunter by having to think through somebody

1737
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 3: else's process that doesn't know what they're doing.

1738
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not even just opinion. There's like there's a

1739
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 2: lot of studies about the teaching effect in which they

1740
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 2: have They've measured the ability to like remember something, or

1741
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:31,799
Speaker 2: the ability to understand a concept, the ability to perform

1742
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 2: at a high level. Is every one of those things

1743
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 2: is improved if you have to teach it to someone else. So,

1744
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:43,040
Speaker 2: if you want to try to remember your ABC's or something,

1745
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 2: one of the best ways to get better at remembering

1746
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 2: your abcs is to have to not only learn them yourself,

1747
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 2: but teach them to somebody else, same thing. If you

1748
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 2: want to get better at you know, like you just

1749
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 2: mentioned hunting, one of the ways to get better at

1750
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 2: it is to have to teach someone like that is

1751
01:29:57,200 --> 01:30:02,479
Speaker 2: a proven thing. So yeah, absolutely, you're gonna get better

1752
01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 2: because of it. I think you're gonna enjoy all this

1753
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 2: more because of it. You're gonna see new things come

1754
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 2: to light, and you're gonna appreciate things in a different

1755
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:13,559
Speaker 2: kind of way. And we haven't mentioned this once, but

1756
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:16,240
Speaker 2: it's also worth noting that, man, if we want to

1757
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 2: keep this thing going, if we want to keep this

1758
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 2: lifestyle going, we need to keep introducing people to it

1759
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 2: and passing on our love for it and our experiences

1760
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:27,679
Speaker 2: and our lessons so that we're not a dying breed,

1761
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 2: so that there are folks fifty years from now who's

1762
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:32,800
Speaker 2: still hunting fish and appreciate what we're doing and care

1763
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 2: enough about the critters and the wild places to keep

1764
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:40,519
Speaker 2: them around. Two. So yeah, there's that man too, All right,

1765
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:45,320
Speaker 2: my friend, tune in next week for more insights. We're

1766
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 2: gonna bring in, like I said, some interesting characters, some authors,

1767
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:53,679
Speaker 2: some deep thinkers to give us some expert points of view.

1768
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 2: On all these things that will help us be better

1769
01:30:57,360 --> 01:31:02,679
Speaker 2: moms or dads, mentors and folks that can hopefully help

1770
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 2: foster a love for the outdoors and hunting and fishing.

1771
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 2: So thank you for listening, thanks for being a part

1772
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:13,720
Speaker 2: of this one. I guess until next time, we'll just

1773
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 2: wrap it up there and keep on keeping on and

1774
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:19,400
Speaker 2: stay wired to hunt.