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Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's gonna be a Monday for the ages. What

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Speaker 1: the last four days we had? We're live, We're in Chicago,

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Speaker 1: It's dot Herd wherever you may be, however you may

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Speaker 1: be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.

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Speaker 1: You get a lot of choices out there. Sark Steve Sarkisian,

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Speaker 1: Stop fight Urban Meyer, Stop fight Lane. Kevin's going to LSU.

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Speaker 1: What don't we make it? Affairs? What do we make

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Speaker 1: of Mike Tomlin Pittsburgh. Let's not waste any time one

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Speaker 1: hour from now. Where Colin was right? Where Colin was wrong?

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Speaker 1: So you heard the chance? Potentially? Did you hear the

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Speaker 1: chance in Pittsburgh as the Bills were rolling over the

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Speaker 1: Steelers fire Mike Tomlin chance and I feel like the

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Speaker 1: last eight years the Steelers are the exact same team.

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Speaker 1: They'll finish slightly above five hundred. They have the bottom

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Speaker 1: ten defense. They'll be better early than November, December and January.

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Speaker 1: And the quarterback plays limited because they can't run the

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Speaker 1: football and the old line is always in crisis. That's

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Speaker 1: what they are. You can keep running through quarterbacks and

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Speaker 1: left tackles and wide receivers and drama and running backs coordinators,

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. The guy in charge. Mike Tomlin is tone

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Speaker 1: def to offense. NFL head coaches have gotten younger, smarter,

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Speaker 1: and more offensive, and these older defensive guys Pete Carroll,

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin, Ron Rivera Lovey Smith, they feel outdated.

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Speaker 1: And I said this, Aaron Rodgers, go to Minnesota or retire.

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Speaker 1: You're just stepping into Tomlin's quicksand And I would have

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Speaker 1: no problem hiring Mike Tomlin, say in Miami to stabilize

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins. I think he'd be a really good fit there.

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Speaker 1: But look around the league right now, who's the number

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Speaker 1: one seed in the AFC? Sean Payton offensive coach. The

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Speaker 1: Jaguars never deliver. Oh wait, now they're gonna win their

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Speaker 1: division potentially. Liam Cohen. Offensive coach Sean McVeigh is number

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Speaker 1: two seed in the NFC. You know who number one is,

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Speaker 1: offensive coach Ben Johnson. I would argue Kyle Shanan's done

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Speaker 1: a better job coaching than anybody outside of Mike Vrabel

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Speaker 1: this year, another offensive coach. Offensive coaches are younger, they're smarter,

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Speaker 1: they're more current. And I said this last week. Offensive

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Speaker 1: coaches can fix problems in the season. Defensive guys feel

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Speaker 1: like they need an off season. And I'm sorry, but

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Speaker 1: on defense they're old. The Steelers are expensive, Darius Slay,

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Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey, they're past their prime. They're paying a fortune

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Speaker 1: for it. They got gray beards on offense and on

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Speaker 1: defense they took a defensive tackle instead of Jackson Dark.

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Speaker 1: What are you doing again? No urgency? This is a

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Speaker 1: criticism I said about Pete Carroll. Do you know Smith's

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Speaker 1: not good enough? Ron Rivera said, I got to Sam Howe,

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Speaker 1: not good enough. Aaron Rodgers. Don't blame him. Look around

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Speaker 1: the league. The rules have change. These old defensive guys.

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Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with the Miko Ryans, Mike McDonald.

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Speaker 1: They're young, they're current, they're aggressive. I mean McDonald took

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Speaker 1: over for Pete Carroll an hour later. The team was

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Speaker 1: better with the same players. So the last six Super

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Speaker 1: Bowls have featured head coaches with an offensive background. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean you have to hire him. But yesterday, finally, finally,

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Speaker 1: the fans said enough. I mean, you hold Buffalo to

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Speaker 1: don't even like Buffalo this year. We don't even know

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Speaker 1: what to make up Buffalo this year. Here was a

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Speaker 1: stoic and an honest Mike Tomlin after.

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Speaker 3: That's an awful performance by us, but it's us. We

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Speaker 4: You have a sense for how restlessly frustrating the crowd

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Speaker 3: I don't know how restless and frustrated I was, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the defense has been the highest paid for four years.

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Speaker 1: It's not elite. Come on now, and this is not

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Speaker 5: We need to find ways to be able to make plays.

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Speaker 5: And I mean I've never seen a team run the

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Speaker 5: same play as much as they ran tonight and have

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Speaker 5: of a lout of words for We talk about the

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Speaker 5: talent that we have, we talk about everything that we have,

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Speaker 6: And that's all that I can speak on.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you got to have it. Ben Johnson has

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Speaker 1: been in Chicago less than a year. They already have

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Speaker 1: many years are we going to watch the Steelers struggle

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Speaker 1: to figure out how to run the football. Ben Johnson's

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Speaker 1: done it in twelve thirteen weeks. Mike Vrabel, still in

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Speaker 1: and it wouldn't fit other places. But between this ownership group,

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Speaker 1: the great GM who left, the coach who feels toned

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Speaker 1: def to offense, the fans have finally come to the

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Speaker 1: realization that we have for about three years. This is

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Speaker 1: not good enough. It's just not good enough. And Oh

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Speaker 1: Miss wasn't good enough for Lane Kiffin. Say what you

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Speaker 1: want about Kiffin, you don't have to like him. Harbaugh

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Speaker 1: to Michigan, Kiffin to LSU. They feel big. Harball was

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Speaker 1: controversial for years. Kiffin's going to be controversial every four weeks.

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Speaker 1: This is great for college football. There's an attention economy

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Speaker 1: in college football. Dion did it at Colorado, put eyes

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Speaker 1: and this is not LSU much better program than Colorado.

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Speaker 1: And I say this to all the bitter people in Mississippi.

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Speaker 1: I understand you're hurt, but when you have signed up

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Speaker 1: for this exit, when Kiffin got there, you've been irrelevant forever.

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I think last time you won an

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Speaker 1: have a manning quarterback, arch or Eli. If I'd have

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Speaker 1: told you four years ago, Lane Kiffin is going to

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Speaker 1: number one offense. It'll be the best Old Miss football

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Speaker 1: team ever. Stadium's packed. Everybody in the country is looking

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Speaker 1: an Ole miss fan. He'll leave you. It'll be ugly.

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Speaker 1: You that taking it on the spot. You date the supermodel.

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Speaker 1: She dumpt you. You knew it was coming. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you were cheating with Hugh Freezi years ago. So you

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Speaker 1: played the game in college football. You were paying people

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Speaker 1: old miss Your history was Hugh Freeze.

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Speaker 2: You supported him.

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Speaker 1: NCAA outrageous Nick Saban stopped recruiting in Mississippi with Hugh

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Speaker 1: Freeze because they were just buying players. So you played

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Speaker 2: This is the game.

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Speaker 1: It's an eight billion dollar industry. I have complained for

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Speaker 1: it's an unregulated it's I said last week, it's bitcoin.

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Speaker 1: You buy it, you better know it's turbulent and you're

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Speaker 1: gonna get scorched. You're gonna have bad days, and that's

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Speaker 1: college football. I don't love I don't love leaving before

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Speaker 1: the playoff. But college football's calendar's always been weird, and

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Speaker 1: college football has put up no boundaries or regulations on this.

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Speaker 1: So the last fifty years, all miss five times has

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Speaker 1: had a ten win season. Kiffin gave you three, and

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Speaker 1: he gave you You're only eleven win regular season. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so and you got busted for cheating years ago with

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Speaker 1: go through the coaches. Nobody wins there, kiff It not

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Speaker 1: only onenty one big, and the SEC has always had

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Speaker 1: to happen. And you don't have to like Kiffin, and

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Speaker 1: you don't have to like the way it looks. But

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Speaker 1: and I get it. Nick Saban get out of here

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Speaker 1: at Bama. USC fired him on a tarmac lane. Kiffen's

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Speaker 1: reality is Al Davis fired him weirdly. USC fired him strangely.

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Speaker 1: You think he's losing sleep. And if you didn't know

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Speaker 1: that going in, that's a U problem. Now, this ridiculous

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Speaker 1: Old Miss having the LSU job. That's the dumbest thing

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Speaker 1: say that on other networks. You've heard a relegation in

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Speaker 1: the English Premier League, you should be relegated as an

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Speaker 1: on air talent. If you're arguing that, I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: just ridiculous. That's not gonna happen. I'm rooting for missing

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Speaker 1: the playoffs selfishly. I wanted to watch Lane Kiffin. I

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Speaker 1: beat Notre Dame. And they're not beating Ohio State. I

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Speaker 1: don't have a CEO, they don't have a president. The

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Speaker 1: old Wild Wild West in the eighteen hundreds when he

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Speaker 1: college football. They're called conference commissioners. All they care about

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Speaker 1: is themselves. Here was Lane Kiffin after.

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Speaker 4: This was a very challenging, difficult day. You know, we

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Speaker 4: went through a lot last night with Keith Carter trying

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Speaker 4: to figure out a way, you know, to make this playoff,

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Speaker 4: you know, run work and the order to coach the team.

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Speaker 4: And at the end of the day, that's his decision,

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Speaker 4: and I totally respect that. I understand that decision, and

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Speaker 4: you know, so I just totally wish the team the

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Speaker 4: best of the life. I wish that I was coaching,

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Speaker 4: but understand that it was a very challenging position for

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Speaker 6: To be in and totally respect that.

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Speaker 4: So, you know, just really really hope they play really

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Speaker 4: well and go win the national championship.

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Speaker 1: Good job by Marty Smith. There, Hey, listen, this idea

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Speaker 1: that Kiffin's trying to erect the program. Have any of

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Speaker 1: you guys ever gotten a great job, because when you do,

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Speaker 1: you take three or four people from your great job

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Speaker 1: He's not trying to erect the program. He's not rooting

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Speaker 1: against old miss, but he's now the coach of what

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Speaker 1: many coaches perceive as the best job in college football

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Speaker 1: or at least top three. The reaction at that little

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Speaker 1: airport in Oxford, though, I got to admit, let's play

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Speaker 1: it sound up is pretty funny. I'm sorry that I

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Speaker 1: could watch that on a loop. I'm sorry, but it's

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Speaker 1: always remarkable to me when people get into relationships with

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Speaker 1: people who have a clear ID, who have a clear brand.

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Speaker 1: And I know Lane, I always got along with him. Fine,

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Speaker 1: he's not for everybody. I think he's grown up. But

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Speaker 1: you'd have taken him if I'd have told you. He's

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Speaker 1: gonna burn you in the end. But it'll be four

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Speaker 1: Here we go. Colin Wright, Colin wrong on a Monday

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Speaker 9: Can we close the door and run a professional press conference?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean college football over the next week is

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Speaker 1: No, I mean, I think it's time to get rid

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Speaker 1: of committees. I think you're right because I when I'm

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Speaker 1: watching them blowout Pitt and I thought cold Weather Pit

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Speaker 1: good fistfight no way, And I'm like, man, they're going

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Speaker 1: to have an argument. I want to talk about It's interesting.

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Speaker 1: So Ohio State is favored by five six points against Indiana.

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Speaker 1: I know who the better team is. But I'm thinking,

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Speaker 1: if I'm Ohio State, I just come out of this

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Speaker 1: emotional peak with Michigan and it's twenty twenty five, I

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Speaker 1: don't care about Indiana. I don't care about that. I

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Speaker 1: want to get healthy. I want to be healthy and

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Speaker 1: ready for the playoff. I think it's a huge disadvantage

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Speaker 1: for Ohio State. I mean, I know better players. Do

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Speaker 1: you think there'll be a letdown for the buck Eyes

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Speaker 1: than they could get beat?

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Speaker 6: I don't think so.

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Speaker 9: I think the game was that was not a game

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Speaker 9: where it went down to the last game I was there. Obviously,

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Speaker 9: Ohio State handled them. I mean they handled them. I

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Speaker 9: made a comment before the game. He scored three touchdowns,

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Speaker 9: you win the game because that's how good Ohio States defense.

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Speaker 9: And I think the Wolverine offense is not very good.

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Speaker 9: I think someday they might be with this quarterback. They're

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Speaker 9: certainly not now. I don't believe that. I believe that coach.

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Speaker 9: He's been very conscientious. They've had a relatively easy schedule

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Speaker 9: coming up. They you know, you know, the quarterback is

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Speaker 9: only thrown going into the game, Colin, He's only thrown

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Speaker 9: twenty five passes in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 6: So this team is not spent.

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Speaker 9: This team actually is on you know, they were on

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Speaker 9: a pitch count pretty much all year. They huddle, they

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Speaker 9: don't go fast. They're only running. They're running twenty plays

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Speaker 9: fewer per game than we did in twenty and eighteen.

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Speaker 9: On defense, going into the Wolverine. They've played the fewest

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Speaker 9: snaps of all the major schools in the country on defense,

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Speaker 9: so this team is not spent there. They're gonna be

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Speaker 9: healthy going this game.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So listen, college football schedule or it's its calendar

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Speaker 1: is weird. So I don't love Lane kiffen bailing on

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Speaker 1: the players. He wanted to coach the team, but there's

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Speaker 1: no way Old missus Gonnachic have that job. That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, it's it's weird, Like I always kind

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Speaker 1: of fall into this. You hire Lane Kiffin, it's not

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Speaker 1: because of Charms school every day. I mean, he got

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Speaker 1: fired on the tarmac, you know, Tennessee. They wanted to

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Speaker 1: burn his house down. It's like, listen, I argue, I

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Speaker 1: argue this urban that Old miss has mostly been irrelevant

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Speaker 1: outside of ELI and Arts manning that if you would

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Speaker 1: have signed up for this, if I would have said

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Speaker 1: to you, Okay, Lane Kiffin's gonna come to your program,

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have your best season ever. Everybody's talking about

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Speaker 1: you number number one offense in the country. He's going

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Speaker 1: to bail you on you and take you off at

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Speaker 1: the end. Would you sign up for it?

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Speaker 6: So every absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Everybody in the state would have signed up for right.

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Speaker 6: Of course they would have. And you know it's unprecedented.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 9: I actually was texting back and forth with Lane where

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Speaker 9: they let me When I left Utah went to Florida,

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Speaker 9: they let me come back and coach in the VCS

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Speaker 9: Bowl Game. First time a non VCS school made it.

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Speaker 9: I met with the players. They were good enough to say,

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Speaker 9: come on back. This is a whole different animal. He's

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Speaker 9: going to an in conference rival and he's walked out

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Speaker 9: on players that gave him every day they got. So

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Speaker 9: I'm torn. I mean, I still I was saying, he's

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Speaker 9: going to stay for that reason that you can't laying different.

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Speaker 9: Is not going to make a decision for money. I

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Speaker 9: know I don't know him that well, but I know

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Speaker 9: well enough he's a he's more competitive than he is

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Speaker 9: worried about money.

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Speaker 6: In his heart.

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Speaker 9: He must have think it's going to be an easier

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Speaker 9: path or a better path to win a national title.

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Speaker 9: That's the only thing I can think of to be

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Speaker 9: able to walk away. And I mean, how do you.

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Speaker 9: I don't think he even met with the players. I

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Speaker 9: heard the AD won't let them. They just want the

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Speaker 9: best season in the history Bowl Miss. That team is

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Speaker 9: prepared to go make a run deep into the playoffs,

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Speaker 9: and he's gone. I mean I had mixed when I

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Speaker 9: when I saw that happen, my heart hurts for those

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Speaker 9: players and.

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Speaker 6: Colin. A bunch of coaches got on that plane.

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Speaker 1: That's listen, it's it's I said, I've compared college football

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Speaker 1: to bitcoin.

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Speaker 2: Don't buy it.

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Speaker 1: If you're not ready for an unregulated mess, wild fluctuations.

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Speaker 1: You love it one day, you hate it, the next

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Speaker 1: you hire Lane Kiffen. It always ends bizarrely and so okay.

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Speaker 1: So I didn't listen nothing against Texas, A and M.

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Speaker 1: But I looked at their schedule. They got a break.

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Speaker 1: They didn't play Bama, Georgia, Ole, Miss or Oklahoma. They

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Speaker 1: got So when you play Texas, you better win. And

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Speaker 1: I don't care where the game's at. I watched them

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Speaker 1: get into a hole again in South Carolina. I thought

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Speaker 1: they were a fun watch. I didn't think they were

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Speaker 1: a special team. So now Texas, I would put Texas in.

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Speaker 1: I would what would you do with Texas?

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Speaker 9: Well, there's six teams right now on that darn bubble,

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Speaker 9: And then you say Texas goes in the Notre Dame's out,

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Speaker 9: you know it's gonna be a tougher.

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Speaker 6: I know, I know. I'll answering your question, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 9: I think Texas deserves me in the playoff, and I

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Speaker 9: would not penalize that loss against Ohio State.

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Speaker 6: You can't do that.

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Speaker 9: You can't or you're getting ready to see old dominions

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Speaker 9: gonna become a favorite of all these big teams play

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Speaker 9: or teams like that because they need.

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Speaker 6: No one cares Indiana is.

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Speaker 9: No one's saying a word about Indiana's non conference schedule,

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Speaker 9: no one yet. Texas made a decision to get on

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Speaker 9: a plane and go play the number one team in

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Speaker 9: the country or to number two team in the country

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Speaker 9: on the road, and they got beaten a tough game,

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Speaker 9: and now there's a chance because of that they'll be

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Speaker 9: because if they didn't play that game, we won't be

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Speaker 9: out in this conversation. Of course they'd be in. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: of course, of course they'd be in. I'm with you.

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Speaker 9: I think it's unfair. And the other thing is it

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Speaker 9: was on the road. We didn't know at the time

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Speaker 9: Ohio State's the best defense in a decade. We didn't

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Speaker 9: know that right, So, I mean, we just didn't know

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Speaker 9: it's on the road. And the other thing is they

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Speaker 9: were breaking in four new offensive linemen, so it was

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Speaker 9: I mean, I mean we were saying how good Ohio

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Speaker 9: State was. We were like, we had a couple of

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Speaker 9: Ohio State guys that we thought as freshmen and sophomores

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Speaker 9: can start in the NFL right now. So I don't know,

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Speaker 9: I'm with you on this. I think Miami's got a

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Speaker 9: totally legitimate argument, and I think Texas may get host

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Speaker 9: I'm sorry, Yeah, I'm worried about it. Let me let

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Speaker 9: me let me leave you with this thought. And Jerry

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Speaker 9: DeNardo from Big Btn gave it to me yesterday. It's

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Speaker 9: one of the most profound things ever heard. It's the

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Speaker 9: only multi billion dollar business in the history of our

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Speaker 9: country as being run by volunteers. Think about that. You

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Speaker 9: have a you have a search, you have a committee.

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Speaker 9: They're all volunteers. And Jerry told me, Coach told me

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Speaker 9: stories where ads would tell him that they would have

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Speaker 9: like an intern come in and watch film because they're

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Speaker 9: so busy whatever jobs they have, and they would help.

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Speaker 9: So you have volunteers that are getting interns to help them.

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Speaker 9: Rank teams. I'm not saying they'll do it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 9: I just this is what Jared DeNardo told me. The

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Speaker 9: only business, multi bill b billion dollar business that you

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Speaker 9: have a group of volunteers are making decisions. I just

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Speaker 9: think it's got to go away and it's all play in.

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Speaker 9: Let the conferences handle it. It's a play in business

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Speaker 9: and that way, the best teams are in the conference

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Speaker 9: and they do it on the field, are in the

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Speaker 9: in the in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well you're going to be at that Ohio State

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Speaker 1: Indiana game.

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Speaker 6: You're right there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, be a good game to go to. I'm actually

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Speaker 1: busy that day, but a big all it on TV.

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Speaker 9: You know, I stood next to two teams. I just Indiana,

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Speaker 9: love their coach, I love the quarterback. Mendoza's got to

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Speaker 9: start playing better. He's had a couple of bad games.

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Speaker 9: But Ohio State, man, just that's one of those.

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Speaker 6: I didn't see it.

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Speaker 9: I didn't know it was gonna be like that because

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Speaker 9: they lost so many good players. That's one of those

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Speaker 9: lsu looking teams back like when I was at Florida.

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Speaker 9: I mean, that does a great looking team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're big, they're big everywhere. Good seeing coach,

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Speaker 1: good sea color,