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Speaker 1: On November twenty first, nineteen ninety seven, a Suffolk County,

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Speaker 1: Virginia man known for drug dealing in gambling named Gene

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Speaker 1: Artists and his sister, Yvonne Giles, were both fatally shot

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Speaker 1: in front of Yvonne's six year old son, Trayvon. The

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Speaker 1: later became unable to remember the details of the tragic event.

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Speaker 1: In a court of law. However, Gene Artist's girlfriend and

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Speaker 1: several other associates began making police statements that named another

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Speaker 1: man involved in the drug trade, Larico Kearney, collectively saying

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Speaker 1: that he shot Jeanne to recover a large gambling loss.

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Speaker 1: Shortly before his trial, another drug dealer claimed that l

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Speaker 1: Rico had plotted to rob Gene Artists of the gambling

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Speaker 2: Repay him for a drug debt.

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Speaker 1: Laurco was convicted, but a constitutional violation triggered a new

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Speaker 1: trial in which three new witnesses joined the Commonwealth case.

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Speaker 1: With this many people willing to testify, revealing the statements

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Speaker 1: of the only person who actually saw the murders wouldn't

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Speaker 1: even have seemed like it was necessary. But this is

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Speaker 1: wrongful conviction. Welcome back to wrongful conviction. Today we have

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Speaker 1: another case out of Virginia, which, again the entire substance

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Speaker 1: of the States case was built upon the words of

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Speaker 1: incentivized witnesses receiving leniency on their own charges, by the way,

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Speaker 1: all while ignoring the only actual credible witness and the

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Speaker 1: most likely suspect. Meanwhile, the man who they focused on

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Speaker 1: instead is calling in today, over twenty five long years

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Speaker 1: later from Greensville Correctional Facility of Virginia. Larico Kearney, I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry you're with us today under the circumstances, but all

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Speaker 1: of us here at wrongful Conviction are happy and honor

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Speaker 1: that you're joining us today.

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Speaker 3: Thank y'all just for giving me this opportunity, you know,

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Speaker 3: to share my story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're most welcome and also joining us. And you'll

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Speaker 1: remember him from our comforage of Terrence Hobbs is Lenny Singleton,

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Speaker 1: who did his own stint a legal conviction but a

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Speaker 1: crazy sentence of the thousand, three hundred and ten years

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Speaker 1: for having stolen a little over five hundred dollars. No

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Speaker 1: one was hurt, and no weapon was used. Lenny was

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Speaker 1: a jailhouse lawyer and then benefited from a conditional pardon

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Speaker 1: and soon joined the Cagashaw Law firm, from which he

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Speaker 1: and his wife, Vandy crusade for the wrongfully convicted. So, Lenny,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 2: Oh thank you, great to be here.

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Speaker 1: I think our audience will agree that this is very

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Speaker 1: similar to Terrence Hobbs's case, not the story itself, but

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Speaker 1: the patterns of the investigation and the misconduct and the prosecution.

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Speaker 1: The towns in which they occurred were less than twenty

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Speaker 1: miles apart, by the way, where As I alluded to

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Speaker 1: in the opening, you have a crime that occurred in

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Speaker 1: the drug culture of the nineties and an investigation that

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Speaker 1: bent over backwards to ignore the most likely suspect, turning

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Speaker 1: instead to incentivize and or coerced witness testimony in exchange

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Speaker 1: for sentence reductions and things like that. The similarities of

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Speaker 1: the cases are striking, from which it's easy to see

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Speaker 1: that there's patterns here.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: We see these all over the country, but it seems

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Speaker 2: I don't know that we could just focus on Virginia.

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Speaker 2: I think this is a widespread issue where snitches, and

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Speaker 2: most of them do this for a living. They're always

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Speaker 2: They know who to call, they know who to get

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Speaker 2: guys will see someone on TV on the news, call

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Speaker 2: when in fact those things have never happened. But it

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Speaker 2: for sure, because I've never seen one that actually was true.

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Speaker 2: They're always working to get a deal, get a time cut,

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Speaker 2: as you could clearly see in the letters that Lorico's

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Speaker 1: And we'll quote from those letters later. It's really egregious.

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Speaker 1: And of course, again this doesn't only happen in Virginia.

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Speaker 1: But before we get into all of that, Lorico, you

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Speaker 1: grew up in kind of like in two different places,

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Speaker 1: Is that right.

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Speaker 3: I'm a regally from Suffolk, Virginia. My mom was a

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Speaker 3: single parent. You know. My dad, you know, he was

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Speaker 1: And this is something I've heard before when a young

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Speaker 2: And money in your pocket. Yeah, back in those days, seriously, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And the only ones with any real economic power, until,

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Speaker 3: But my father went to prison in nineteen ninety five.

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Speaker 3: He had fifty four years under the old with parole.

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Speaker 1: And what did life look like for you after he

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Speaker 3: It's just me, my grandmother or my grandfather. I'man thoseing

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Speaker 1: Were probably already on the radar of local law enforcement.

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Speaker 1: But had you ever been arrested before I was.

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Speaker 3: Arrested in October of ninety seven. I had a possession

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Speaker 3: that came with that same incident one month before this happened.

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Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa, Back up a second. There the assault of

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Speaker 3: I think in the process of them restraining me, I

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Speaker 1: Oh Jesus Christ, I mean so since the arrest was

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Speaker 1: the impetus for the officer's injury, they, of course, you know,

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Speaker 1: some sort of centers are gaslighting move. They got to

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Speaker 3: Yes, sir.

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Speaker 1: And so now with this arrest and the alleged assault,

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Speaker 1: and I'm putting that in quotation marks of a police

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Speaker 1: with only supervised outings. So, needless to say, you're a

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Speaker 1: well known entity of the local police. You were right

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Speaker 1: this case was also known to both you and the police,

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Speaker 1: which is a guy named David Eugene artists who went

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Speaker 1: by a GENA. What was your relationship to Jean.

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Speaker 3: We would run at each other on a regular basis,

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Speaker 3: you know, Like I said, he was a drug dealer

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Speaker 3: look to entice people to gamble, to shoot dice because

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Speaker 3: he was he was good at it. I guess that's

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Speaker 3: how he supported itself, no gambling and selling drugs.

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Speaker 1: And it was part of the States theory that he

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Speaker 1: had enticed you into a few games in which you

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Speaker 1: had lost big money. Did you used to gamble with Gene?

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Speaker 3: I never personally gambled with Gene because I knew how

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Speaker 3: I knew how good Gene was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, some of those guys, man, they come up with

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Speaker 2: these techniques. There's a way you can actually set the

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Speaker 2: dice and increase the probability of a certain number. Gene

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Speaker 2: probably was good with dice. He knew how to set him,

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Speaker 1: So you knew better than to play with Gene. Your

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Speaker 3: He actually did on more than one occasion. He actually did.

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Speaker 1: You had even turned him down in front of two

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Speaker 1: individuals who eventually were coerced into testifying against you. I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about Casey Davis and Travis Chalk.

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Speaker 3: The morning that Gene Artist was killed, he came to

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Speaker 3: course all of us said no.

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Speaker 1: Right, but the authorities eventually coerced those two men into

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Speaker 1: making false statements about you, saying that you were in

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Speaker 1: possession of a black forty five caliber from the day before,

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Speaker 1: and men in the morning of the twenty first, that

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Speaker 1: Chalk went on to say that you and Jean shot

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Speaker 1: dice for about an hour and then agreed to pause

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Speaker 1: also successful in getting Jean's girlfriend at the time to

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Speaker 1: say that you had once lost something like five thousand

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Speaker 3: His girlfriend at the time, her name was Sabrina Northfleet.

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Speaker 3: I think that she had some child depended or she

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Speaker 3: had a situation going on, you know, that's why she

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Speaker 3: fabricated the story which never happened, seeing me gamble with

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Speaker 3: Jean in the place that, as God's my witness, I

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Speaker 3: had never my life been to.

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Speaker 1: But there was something that she testified to that was true,

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Speaker 1: which was seeing you and Jane together earlier on in

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Speaker 1: the night that he was murdered, when she pulled up

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Speaker 3: I was at the sub shot that was across the

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Speaker 3: street from the gas station that Geene Artists was at,

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Speaker 3: asked her for a rat and she had pulled up

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Speaker 1: Gene.

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Speaker 3: They had an argument, but she did see me sitting

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Speaker 1: So he dropped you off with your grandparents. You later

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Speaker 1: of Gene Artists had his sister, Evon Giles, which was

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Speaker 1: November twenty first, nineteen ninety seven. They were both shot

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Speaker 1: while at home sometime between nine and ten pm, and

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Speaker 1: apparently there was a pizza delivery before the murders. The

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Speaker 1: pizza delivery person, Teresa Rix, saw two men arguing on

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Speaker 1: neither of which she recognized as you we go. So

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Speaker 2: There was one person who was there and who actually

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Speaker 1: Okay, first, let's take a second to recognize that this

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Speaker 2: Trayvon gave a statement to the police at eleven pm.

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Speaker 2: So this wasn't long after, in which he stated clearly

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Speaker 2: He repeated these statements to the police twice more the next.

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Speaker 1: Day, and he's crystal clear with the police about what happened.

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Speaker 1: Can you read some of the report for us?

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Speaker 2: They questioned, did you see the man that shot your mom?

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Speaker 2: He said yes, and they asked him, is his name

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Speaker 2: Gregory Artists shoot your mom? Yes? Did you see Gregory

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: How do you know Gregory Artists? He has been to

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Speaker 2: gives the police details. He says, I've spent time at

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Speaker 1: Jean's full name is David Eugene Artists, so the name

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Speaker 2: He says that Jane had a small silver gun and

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Speaker 2: Once they were in the front foyer, Gregory and David

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Speaker 2: they asked him to describe Gregory Artists, and he describes

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Speaker 1: It's just awful for this little kid. And then the

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Speaker 1: description of the murder weapon, a big black gun which

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Speaker 1: they knew to be a forty five from the fragments

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Speaker 1: they pulled from his mother's skull. Now seven hundred dollars

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Speaker 1: five hundred and fifty of which was in Gene Artist's pocket,

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Speaker 1: Harris appears to use jeens involvement and drugs as an

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Speaker 3: So I guess, you know, my name was in his

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Speaker 3: They gave me a violation because I was actually out

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Speaker 3: So I was taking to jail, and I guess the

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Speaker 3: His name was Brad Parker, and he tried to question

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Speaker 3: that's not what I'm locked up for. The following week,

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Speaker 3: I was giving a bond, so I was out again.

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Speaker 3: Later on he ended up writing to the prosecutors or

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Speaker 3: I was in that sale about committing these crimes. So

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Speaker 3: I think all investigations everything stemmed from that.

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Speaker 1: And he wasn't the only one willing to offer false

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Speaker 1: Eventually a laundry list of people was compiled, including Casey Davis,

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Speaker 1: Tony Booth and Willie Hardy. But was this statement from

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Speaker 3: No, it wasn't Brad Parker. They had got a statement

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Speaker 1: So it turned out that he and Quinton Parish were

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Speaker 1: Quinton refused to give false statements, unlike Willie Hardy. So

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Speaker 1: you were arrested on December twenty eighth, nineteen ninety seven,

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Hardy testified to this false statement at a preliminary hearing

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Speaker 1: as his buddy Quinton Parish, you're a co defendant. Hardy

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Speaker 1: admitted to his attorney Robinson that he had given false

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Speaker 2: They recorded this conversation where he admitted to lying about Larco' Kearney. Willie.

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Speaker 2: Hardy said he had been threatened and harassed by detectives

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Speaker 1: So now with this recording, your attorney filed emotion for

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Speaker 3: I ran into him one time in the Western Time

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Speaker 3: What the reason the jail? Well, we was on the

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Speaker 3: Jail to Chesapeake. That's when I later learned you know

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Speaker 3: that you know, he had hopped on my case.

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Speaker 1: Right, so he hired Ken Melvin for his own charges,

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Speaker 1: and then, using this conversation on the yard as a

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Speaker 1: as a witnessing your case, presenting Ken Melvin with a

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Speaker 1: conflict of interest. And now this attorney, who had been

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Speaker 1: Might be an onion. But for now, let's get back

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Speaker 1: to the hearing to dismiss your charges. Based on the

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Speaker 2: Fearing he would be charged with perjury, he said he'd

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Speaker 3: Now, Judge westbro Poccer said, it's a possibility that before

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Speaker 2: And so this Judge Westbrook Parker ruled at Kearney's indictment

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Speaker 3: So now on this date the prosecutor putting in a

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Speaker 3: motion to have mister Melvine disqualified for my case. Could

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Speaker 3: they now have another witness, which was Tony Booth. Mister

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Speaker 3: Melvin was disqualified off my case. It was strategic, you know.

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Speaker 1: So that was September of ninety nine, and as your

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Speaker 1: probably seeing what you both were up against, decided to

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Speaker 2: And that's how they get a lot of guys too.

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Speaker 2: This garrel with that, I could see him very easily

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Speaker 2: pleading out even though he had nothing to do with it,

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Speaker 2: just because he was afraid he would never get out.

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Speaker 1: But Lrico, you weren't backing down even though you were

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had two counts of capital murder at two

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Speaker 2: Theory of his crime was circumstantial evidence of Rico's alleged

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Speaker 1: Dead now La Rico tells us that this whole disagreement

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Speaker 3: Sabrino Northfleet gave a false testimony witnessing Jean to win

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Speaker 3: five thousand dollars from me around September of that year,

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Speaker 3: Travis Chalk gave a testimony that he was at my

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Speaker 3: And the gentleman that was in the driveway with him

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Speaker 4: On November twentieth, a firearms identification expert testified that the

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Speaker 1: Right, No bullets or fragments were found in Gene, but

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Speaker 1: two different casings likely came from the exchange between Gene

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Speaker 1: actually something that was true. Sabrina north Leet saw you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she seen us together at the East Coast gas station.

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Speaker 3: She just played to him about the argument, and you know,

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Speaker 3: she told them that I was the last person you know,

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Speaker 3: y'all charged me with another individual. So we'll come in

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Speaker 3: at did y'all link me? Mister her She's telling y'all

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Speaker 3: it was just me and Jean together, right.

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Speaker 2: Part of the state's evidence was this, mister Travis Chalk

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Speaker 2: who said that he had seen Jean driving alone in

438
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,640
Speaker 2: a white Chevy and that Lo Rico in Quinton Parish

439
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 2: known as QP, they were in a white Mitsubishi Gallant

440
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 2: heading towards Franklin Street following him.

441
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 1: So he was supposed to be in Jean's car, but

442
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 1: now he's in a different car with another guy following Jean.

443
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 1: Which way is it? Guys? I mean, you can't have

444
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 1: it both ways.

445
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 2: Travis Chalk several years later, gave an affidavit that all

446
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 2: of it was alive. In fact, I do have that

447
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:46,439
Speaker 2: Affidavid Travis Chalk said, I never saw l Rico Kearney

448
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 2: with a gun, nor did he say anything about killing

449
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 2: anyone over some gambling debts, as stated to me by

450
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 2: Detective E. C. Harris. He says that that detective led

451
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:03,160
Speaker 2: me to say I saw Larico Kearney with the type

452
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 2: of gun that was used in the murders, and that

453
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:10,479
Speaker 2: he harassed me almost daily, and that he came with

454
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 2: papers to encourage me to sign, threatening me with incarceration

455
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 2: if I did not cooperate. Travis Chalk said, I was

456
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 2: young and afraid, and I was given paperwork as to

457
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 2: what to say in court. By Detective E. C. Harris.

458
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: Obviously, the Jerry didn't benefit from this knowledge, just as

459
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 1: they had not benefited from Willie Hardy's admissions from the

460
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: preliminary hearing. And then the Commonwealth brought in another steaming

461
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: pile of conflicting testimony from Tony Booth. Now the motive

462
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: isn't just about being mad about losing five grand to Gene.

463
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: Now it was five grand that he needed to pay

464
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: mister Booth for drugs.

465
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 3: Tony Booth said that I sold drugs for him. I

466
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 3: owed him money and I told him that, you know,

467
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 3: I had to kill some people to get the money back.

468
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 3: I lost the money gambling. And the testimony that he

469
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 3: gave it didn't match the evidence. He just said, I

470
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 3: said I held the guns to the people head while

471
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 3: PC he said PC in my code offend his name

472
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 3: was two T. He was saying PC and PC first

473
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 3: their pockets of money and drugs, you know, while he

474
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 3: held the guns to him and killed him. After that,

475
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 3: you know, Jene Nist he had cracked cocaine and file

476
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty dollars a cash in his pocket

477
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 3: at the time of his death. So the testimony there

478
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 3: Tony Booth gave it. It didn't even match the evidence, right.

479
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: If you had robbed Jane to pay Tony as he alleged,

480
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: then Jean's pockets would not have been full of money

481
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: and drugs. You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to

482
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: figure this out.

483
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.

484
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: Booth was awaiting sentencing for his own charges, which was

485
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: a projected two hundred and eighty months over twenty three years,

486
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 1: and that sentencing was suspended until he fulfilled his obligation

487
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: at your first and second trials, Tony Booth, you guessed

488
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: it ended up serving only five years now le Rico's

489
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: public defender courtesy of Tony Booth. Mind you, Michael Rosenberg

490
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: poked holes in Booth's story incredibility on cross examination. That's good,

491
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: but what else was presented in your favor?

492
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 3: The defense called an attorney, you know, to get on

493
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 3: the stand to explain to the jury about the plea

494
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 3: Boggain that Torn and Booth had entered into you know

495
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 3: about him, you know, looking for a sentence production.

496
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 2: Also, a witness, Teresa Ris, testified she was a pizza

497
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 2: delivery person who had delivered a pizza to one sixteen

498
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 2: Franklin Street in the hours before the murders, and she

499
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 2: did see two black men, one heavy set, one medium

500
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 2: bill enter the house after arguing with each other getting

501
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 2: out of their car. And this Miss Ricks testified that

502
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 2: neither of these men were larco' kearney, who she knew

503
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 2: from school. They went to school together.

504
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 3: My son's mother and her mother. They actually testified on

505
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 3: my behalf to saying that you know, I was there

506
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 3: in my baby mother's house. You know, at the time

507
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 3: that this allarged defense had happened. She actually testified on

508
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 3: my behalf too. You know, she told the jury that

509
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 3: you know, she was in the driveway when I came

510
00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 3: from my baby mother's house.

511
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, the only loved ones don't make convincing alibi witnesses,

512
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: as they're easily explained away as someone who might be

513
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: willing to lie. But his attorney was in possession of

514
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: the statement from the only witness who should have mattered,

515
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: which was Trayvon, and Trayvon was who pointed the finger

516
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: directly at Gregory Artists. Yet this alternate and much more

517
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 1: likely suspect was never presented to the jury. Among so

518
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: much more.

519
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 2: The fact that is Lloyd didn't bring up any physical evidence,

520
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: and none of it pointed to Lrico. Was just astounding

521
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 2: to me. They took fingerprints from the crime scene, and

522
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 2: to this day they haven't tried to match those fingerprints

523
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: to anyone except Lrico, Gurney.

524
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: I mean, what about Gregory Artists. Apparently no one was

525
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: interested enough, so the jury came to a predictable conclusion.

526
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't have any idea that I could

527
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 3: be actually convicted of that crime. You know, I had

528
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 3: high hopes, and like I said, I was going home

529
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 3: my family in the courtroom, I didn't think of any

530
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 3: way they could find me guilty. I mean, I couldn't

531
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,120
Speaker 3: believe it. I was in shocked, like I was known.

532
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 3: I kind of feel like, you know, I let everybody down,

533
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 3: even though it was beyond my control.

534
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 1: And your verdict at the first trial was really odd.

535
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: You were found guilty of first degree murder, but only

536
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 1: of Yvonne Giles along with the related firearm charge, you.

537
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 3: Know, because you had Casey Davis testified he's seen me

538
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 3: with the forty five caliber weapon. I guess they said that.

539
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 3: You know, the forty five caliber fragment of a bullet

540
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 3: was found in the skull. It was a compromise.

541
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: Thirty right forty five caliber bullet fragments were only pulled

542
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: from Yvonne Giles's skull, and maybe they weren't totally convinced

543
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: of your guilt, so they acquitted you for the murder

544
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: of Gene Artists cold comfort there, but you were still

545
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: sentenced to life for the Yvonne Giles homicide plus three

546
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: years for the gun charge. But your public defender, a

547
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: new one who you had been assigned, Joseph Winston, was

548
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: actually able to appeal this verdict and win since the

549
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: only person who could contradict Tony Booth was you, and

550
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: the Commonwealth's attorney unconstitutionally argued to the jury that you

551
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,719
Speaker 1: should have testified. This constituted a clear violation of your

552
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: Fifth Amendment rights, so they properly declared it a mistrial.

553
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 3: I was convicted in February of two thousand. My case

554
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 3: was overturned Junior Ary twenty nine, two thousand and two.

555
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 3: That hadn't been in prison at that time but fifteen months,

556
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 3: but I had been around guys that had actually been

557
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 3: down with twenty twenty five years. I finally get that

558
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 3: Paperbrook saying that my case was overturned, and I shared

559
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 3: that with a few individuals, and you know, like some

560
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 3: people were happy for me, like, you know, we've been

561
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 3: way like to get Traderbrook like this for twenty plus years.

562
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 3: And it was basically telling me, though, take advantage of

563
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 3: the opportunity. And when I did go back to court,

564
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 3: they offered me a plea.

565
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: Boggain, They just convicted you, but now they're offering you

566
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: a plea. That kind of feels like they had a

567
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 1: little bit of a guilty conscience maybe, like they knew

568
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: this conviction was bullshit. So now Joseph Winston was off

569
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: your case, you were transferred to jail, and a new

570
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: public defender named Dwayne Struthers was assigned to your case.

571
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 3: No, he came to see me and actually, I mean,

572
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 3: would I be interested in taking a plea deal? You know,

573
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 3: I told him no, less it to be time served,

574
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 3: you know, because you know, I mean, I didn't do this,

575
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 3: and that's what I'm explaining to him. He asked me,

576
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 3: where if they were offered ten years to serve, would

577
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 3: you be interested in that? And at the time, I

578
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 3: had been in concentrated a little bit over five years,

579
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 3: and I said, well, this five years it already did

580
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 3: be included with this ten and he didn't know.

581
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: So without a potential five year deal or time served,

582
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: you were ready for a second chance to fight for

583
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: your innocence in court, and that meant the state got

584
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: a second chance too. So you were initially in protective custody,

585
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: or the PC pod as it's known, and then you

586
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: got transferred into the general population, where you made some

587
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: new acquaintances, notably Ronald Brookins and Raymond Copeland.

588
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 3: They tried to, you know, befriend me. So I had

589
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 3: been in there with them maybe a couple of months,

590
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden they put me back in

591
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 3: this protective custody pod and Bookers and Copeland came to visit,

592
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 3: and you know, they enticed them to lie. And I

593
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 3: know you've read them. I've got the letters that they

594
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 3: vote to the prostitutor and to Detective E. C.

595
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 2: Hurris about so, mister Brooking says to the Commonwealth Attorney,

596
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 2: mister Jamison. Hell O, mister Jamison, I'm hoping to find

597
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: you and yours and the best of health, highest of.

598
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: Spirits, the highest of spirits.

599
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: And it's a crazy shit. I'm writing you in concern

600
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: of the visit received from you. Today, I feel as

601
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: if we did not reach a very clear understanding about

602
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 2: having my jeep returned and the charges dropped. Now I'm

603
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: waiting on an appeal. This you could stop. Just have

604
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: the federal courts to withdraw their appeal and drop the case.

605
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: I have never had a violent charge, so this should

606
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: not be hard. I have gave my life to the Lord. Oh,

607
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: and I'm willing to help you as best as I can.

608
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: If I'm going to take the stand, I need to

609
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: know my charges are being dropped. I just wanted to

610
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: chance to start my newfound life in Christ over on

611
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: the outside. If you give me another chance, I will

612
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: not let you down.

613
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: Sincerely, Yours in Christ, while I put my hand on

614
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: the Bible, swear to tell the truth, and then lie

615
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: my ass off to help the state ruin another man's life,

616
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: just like Jesus would do. I mean, apparently, mister Brookings

617
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: pretended to be a friend of Lorico's father, and then

618
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: he took a look at Lorico's transcripts, all in this

619
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: twisted attempt to concoct a believable alleged confession in exchange

620
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: for his own charges being dropped. And the return of

621
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: his jeep. And then along comes mister Brook and cellmate

622
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: or blockmate Raymond Copeland.

623
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 3: Raymond Copeland, he was sentenced to ten years. In the

624
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 3: letter that he wrote to the prostitutal, he was seeking

625
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 3: to have his ten year sinence cut to three, you know,

626
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 3: for his testimony and basically saying he can be as

627
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 3: convincing and moving as possible to help bury me, and

628
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 3: also that he had testified in another murder case for

629
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 3: this prosecutor.

630
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: Before, right, so this is a trial tested bullshit artist.

631
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: So let me please read from the letter mister Coplan

632
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: wrote about the meeting he had with the Commonwealth's attorney

633
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: just six days before his own proceedings Raymond Copeland.

634
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: He says, I am writing in concern about our last meeting,

635
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: which took place on January twenty eight, two thousand and three,

636
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: where you mentioned not making any promises, and I can

637
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: respect that, but perhaps we need to discuss my situation

638
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: more clearly. I am participating in a double murder trial.

639
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: I know others are involved that have a lot more

640
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: time and more serious crimes than I do, so I

641
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: want you to know I'm not trying to wait until

642
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: I get to prison before my requests are granted. I

643
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: was sentenced by Westbrook Parker, which you may be familiar with.

644
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 2: I know from experience. If you can talk with Parker,

645
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: who's the judge, I can get everything I've asked for.

646
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: Because I'm not asking for much. I can't go to

647
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: any prison because of possible retaliation for my testimony. Now,

648
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: before I take the witness stand, all I'm asking is

649
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: your word off the record. Please contact me and let

650
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: me rehearse my testimony. And also I need to evaluate

651
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: my situation as far as how I will be rewarded.

652
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: Rehearse my testimony.

653
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Speaker 2: Rehearse my testimony.

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Speaker 1: There was also a third jail house snitch, Christopher Joiner,

655
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: but we were unable to obtain any damning letters from him. However,

656
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: in Virginia there's no parole, and Joiner's fifty four year

657
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: sentence appears to have magically disappeared as he was released.

658
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: In fact, years ago, he alleged that he overheard incriminating

659
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: statements from Lrico while he was on the phone. So

660
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: now that everyone was well rehearsed, you went back to

661
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Speaker 1: trial in February two thousand and three. There was still

662
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: no physical evidence tying Larco to the scene. Fingerprints that

663
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: they believe would be probative just didn't match Larico, Kearney,

664
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Speaker 1: so Bena north Leet, Travis Chuck, Casey Davis, and Tony

665
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: Booth returned. So this much was exactly the same, minus

666
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: the Fifth Amendment violation. And now there were three new

667
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: lying jail house snitches. And in addition to their sentence

668
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 1: reductions and letters to the Commonwealth Attorney, there were even

669
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: more reasons to find their testimonies totally unreliable.

670
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Speaker 3: Brookers testified that I said I kicked the door in,

671
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 3: and that was known throughout the trial, like whoever had

672
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 3: committed this crime, it was no force insurry, they knew

673
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 3: the victims struggles. He did point that out, and the

674
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 3: prostituted you just made up some bogus theory, like showed

675
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 3: them a pitchure of a door in the back of

676
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 3: the apartment, like look at their door, don't it look

677
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 3: like somebody's trying to get out their doors?

678
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: So clearly Brookins misunderstood the facts that he was post

679
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: to regurgitate for the state. But what about Copeland.

680
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 3: Copland's testimony was basically the same because they was in

681
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: the same block, and of course they got together, you know,

682
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 3: to go over what they were.

683
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: Saying, including the same mistakes that proved they didn't know

684
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 1: what the fuck they were talking about. Now, Christopher Joyner,

685
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: he was in the protective custody pod with you because

686
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: he was also cooperating on a number of other cases,

687
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: which does not bode well for his credibility either. And

688
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: he alleged overhearing you say incriminating things while on the phone. Now,

689
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: you had taken a phone call while he was in

690
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: earshot one day when you had returned from motion hearing

691
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: in which you found out that Brookings and Copland were

692
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: going to testify against you.

693
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 3: My child was the start that Monday, and I found

694
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 3: out that Friday. So when I came back, I used

695
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 3: the phone. I called my stepfather, displaying it to him.

696
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 3: You know what it happened to court and everything that,

697
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 3: you know he heard me say on the phone, and

698
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 3: my stepfather he wrote it down and put his own

699
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 3: little twist and spin on it. He actually testified that

700
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 3: I professed Brookings and Copeland about you know, me doing

701
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 3: the murder. I was bragging or saying it out was

702
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 3: like a O. J. Simpson it's just for some bogus

703
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 3: stuff he was saying. It didn't even make sense.

704
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: And like we mentioned, he too received a sentence reduction

705
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: for his OJ Simpson references. Now, the defense called the

706
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: Albi witnesses again your loved ones, as well as the

707
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 1: pizza delivery person, in addition to other people who Copeland

708
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: and Brookings had previously test the lie about. But the

709
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: difference with this trial was Trayvon, who's now eleven years old,

710
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: because five years had gone by. You called him to

711
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: the stand to get him to recount what he had

712
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: already said to his statements to police, which was a

713
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: Gregory artist had murdered gene artists Andy von Giles right

714
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: in front of him alone.

715
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 3: I tried to call him as my witness at the

716
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 3: second trial, and I'm trying to get him to testify

717
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 3: to what he said, or at least get the statement

718
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 3: presented to the jury. And know they excuse the jury

719
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 3: and they did what you call the prophet and they

720
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 3: placed them on the stand. He just said he didn't

721
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 3: remember anything. Do you know. They showed him the statement

722
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 3: and he, like I guess he may have been coached,

723
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 3: but he just say he couldn't remember, and the judge

724
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 3: said that I couldn't get the statement in to the

725
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 3: juri because I couldn't have each of my own witness

726
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: So it didn't allow the statement to get into the jury.

727
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: And once again, the jury did not hear the most

728
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: important witness statement, the one taken from the only eyewitness

729
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: to the crime, just moments after it happened. Now, who

730
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: knows if he was coached or coerced by the state

731
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: or maybe by his own family. After all, Gregory Artist

732
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: was his relative. It's even possible that the memory was

733
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: so painful that the associative amnesia took over it. Either way,

734
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: the jury didn't hear what we all know he had

735
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: said right after he saw his uncle and mother fatally shot. Instead,

736
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: the state pieced together, coerced or incentivized witness statements people

737
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: with no knowledge or the crime. That's the state's case.

738
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: That's it floating on the hope that the jury might think, well, yeah,

739
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: they can't all be lying. And I understand the Commonwealth

740
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: attorney did something that showed that they knew. You tell

741
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 1: me what you think, but it seems like they knew

742
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: how fraudulent this prosecution was. They passed a plea deal

743
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: to your attorney, Dwayne Struthers. Even after all this.

744
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 3: After the commawill presented the case, they asked him would

745
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 3: not be willing to plead the second degree murder? And

746
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 3: again I asked him, like, you know, how much tired

747
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 3: of this curved? And from his actions, you know the

748
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 3: way he looked at me, he wanted me to gamble

749
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 3: with the jury that already had been convicted once. And

750
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 3: I knew it was a possibility that, you know, I

751
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 3: could get life in prison.

752
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: Again, and your attorney didn't properly advise you about this,

753
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: but second degree murderer carries a sentence of five to

754
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: forty years, not life, not in Virginia.

755
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 3: And I refused it. And here I am sinning again.

756
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 3: You know, I get convicted again and ended up with life.

757
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it must have felt like deja vu all

758
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: over again.

759
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 3: It definitely did. I'm like, this can't be happening like

760
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 3: a second time. It's like I just felt like defeated,

761
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 3: and I know this time my fight would be a

762
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 3: whole lot harder. It's very rare that you see anybody

763
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 3: get three trials being convicted the second time. But it

764
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 3: was hard going back to Wallas with I just can

765
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 3: remember the ride that I had when my first trial

766
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 3: was overturned and they turned me back to the jail.

767
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 3: I was in tears for real because of the prison

768
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 3: conditions and all the people that I'm gonna leave behind,

769
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 3: Like I would never see this again. Guys, don't get

770
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 3: these this opportunity that I'm about to get. And like

771
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 3: I said, the whole ride back to that jail, I

772
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 3: was untilled. I was like, this is the child that

773
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 3: my life is over with. And it didn't happen that way.

774
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 3: You know, me being convicted the second time is I knew.

775
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 3: I knew my fight would be you know, a whole

776
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 3: lot harder. Of course, I went through the litigation process,

777
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 3: and my family later on down the line, you know,

778
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 3: put out more money for me trying to get me out.

779
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 3: I just always try to be positive and keep their hope.

780
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 3: Like one day, like like Justin would prevail and I

781
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 3: would be able to, you know, walk out these prison doors.

782
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: That return trip to prison was February two thousand and three.

783
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: It's now February twenty and twenty three and you're still there.

784
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: But like you said, the fight is not over. Your

785
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: first attempt was for ineffective assistance of counsel Dwayne Structles.

786
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, had a series of like this for their actions

787
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 3: from the state bar like in two thousand and three.

788
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 3: Then his license was suspended for two years in two

789
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 3: thousand and six because you know, he failed to you know,

790
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 3: communicate with his clients and you know, he didn't pursue

791
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 3: cases diligently. So I was hoping when I found his

792
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 3: habis claim against him, that they would overturn my case

793
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 3: just based on the lack of competence of Dwayne Struthers.

794
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 3: And I did get the evidentiary heard on Struggles's and

795
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 3: competency because of them offered me the plea bargain for

796
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 3: a second degree murdered and he didn't know how much

797
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 3: time that it carried. The District Court granted to hear

798
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 3: my issue on that claim back in two thousand and eight.

799
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 3: But the thing where I didn't get into relief on

800
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 3: that issue is because you know, the Commonwealth Attorney Philip Ferguson,

801
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 3: the head Commonwealth attorney in Suffolk at that time, he

802
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 3: testified that in Suffolk he has a policy that all

803
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 3: prea botherins must be reviewed and signed by him, and

804
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 3: he wasn't going to give the authorization. So that's why

805
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 3: the judge then he didn't rule in my favor.

806
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: And so that rendered the point moved, not that there

807
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: aren't plenty of other points to raise it by that

808
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: effective assistance, because at the second trial he did not

809
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: point out that the only witness to the murder, young Trayvon,

810
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: did not point you out in court. It seems like

811
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: seeing you in court should have jarred something loose if you,

812
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: in fact had killed his mother, but you didn't. And

813
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: once again, the fact that none of the fingerprints taken

814
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: from the scene that they felt were probitive, none of

815
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: them were a match for you because you weren't there,

816
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: But this was not raised, as was the fact that

817
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: the fingerprints have never been tested against Gregory artists, which

818
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: is insane. So, Lenny, I know you've been on this

819
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 1: case since your release brought you to the Western branch

820
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: of the John A. Cogshall Law Firm, And in another stunning,

821
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: awful setback for this case, Attorney Cogashall, a legend in

822
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: the innocence community and a friend to me and you

823
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: guys and so many others, passed away suddenly in June

824
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. He rest in peace. So where does

825
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: that leave Lorico's case?

826
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 2: So once again, the law firm of Johnny Cogshaw filed

827
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 2: Larco's petition on January fifth, twand I was twenty two

828
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 2: to the Secretary of Commonwealth Office. That petition primarily dealt

829
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: with the statements made by Trayvon Artists the day of

830
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: the murders and the following day when they interviewed him again.

831
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 2: Of course, we know there was no physical evidence that

832
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: pointed to Lrico Kearney's guilt, and that Trayvon Artist definitively

833
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 2: told the detectives who killed his mom and uncle. That

834
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 2: was the foundation upon which this petition was established, along

835
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: with the convicted felons who came forward with false testimony

836
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,479
Speaker 2: in order to get deals. And fortunately we were able

837
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 2: to get an affidavit from mister Travis Chalk, who said

838
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 2: he just wanted to clear his conscience, and he came

839
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: forward and said it was all a lie. Everything he

840
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 2: said was a lie. He didn't see Larrico Kearney with

841
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 2: a gun, he didn't see Larico Kearney following Gene Artists.

842
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: He was told exactly what to say by this detective

843
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: when he went to court, and he said as much.

844
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: In the petition also details everything you've heard here, the

845
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: inconsistencies and contradictions between the false witnesses and between the

846
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: statements and the facts of the crime. So what does

847
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: the petition seek?

848
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 2: A conditional pardon on behalf of Larco Kearney. His petition

849
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 2: is a waiting review because of the long list of

850
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 2: people who file before him. From what we've been told,

851
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: they're so swamped that it's going to be a long process.

852
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 2: So we're hoping to get as much airplay as possible

853
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: for mister Kearney to hopefully change this wrongful conviction.

854
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: Well, you have all of our support, and hopefully our

855
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: audience will lend a hand as well. There's currently a

856
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: petition alerting the governor of this wrongful conviction, pleading for

857
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 1: his team to take notice of the grave injustice that

858
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: this is. So please do it right now. Click the

859
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: link in the episode bio and get involved. And now

860
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: we go to my favorite part of the show. It's called,

861
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: of course, closing arguments, where I first of all, thank

862
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: you guys for being here and sharing this harrowing story.

863
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: And then I'm going to turn my microphone off, leave

864
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: my headphones on, kick back in my chair, and just

865
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: listen to any closing thoughts you may have. So let's

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Speaker 1: kick it off with Lenny and then close it out

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Speaker 2: Once again, we have a case where the only evidence

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Speaker 2: It's a sad state of affairs when we are putting

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Speaker 2: people away for life based on convicted felons getting deals.

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Speaker 2: It's time for us to do something, especially in the

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Speaker 2: Commonwealth of Virginia. It's time for prosecutors to bear some

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Speaker 2: of this weight for using convicted felons that they know

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Speaker 2: have extensive criminal records and they know they're getting deals.

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Speaker 2: It's time for the prosecution to possibly suffer as a

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Speaker 2: result of this. I mean, it's the only way that

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Speaker 2: I can see that this situation will ever change. It's

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Speaker 2: a sad day that somebody like Lorico Kearney has been

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Speaker 2: in the prison system for twenty five years or more

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Speaker 2: for something he did not do. There is no evidence

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Speaker 2: to support it. It's time for this to change.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I would just like to say thank y'all

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Speaker 3: for allowing me the opportunity to share my story with

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Speaker 3: the world. Again, this is a situation that anybody can

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Speaker 3: find theirself in. Anybody can come forward and just say

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Speaker 3: But twenty five plus years in prison, you know, I'm

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Speaker 3: still healthy. I still have hope that someday, you know,

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Speaker 3: the justice will prevail and I will be able to

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Speaker 3: walk out this prison and be with the people that

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Speaker 3: love me, try to build a relationship with my children.

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Speaker 3: I would like to see my daughter walk down an

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Speaker 3: aisle and like I said, just want to, you know,

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Speaker 3: just go out there and just be a pillow to

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Speaker 3: that I'm in. Again, I just expressed my condolences to

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Speaker 3: know the artist family what they have went through. You know,

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Speaker 3: nobody deserve to die, but I shouldn't spend the rest

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Speaker 3: of my life in prison based on you know, people

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Speaker 3: trying to help their whole situations. And I'm just looking

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Speaker 3: forward to today, Like I said, I'm released, and I

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Speaker 3: feel in my heart that you know, Joseph pavailed and

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Speaker 3: the right thing will be done. You know, my heart

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Speaker 3: and my courage I'm just too big just to die

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Speaker 3: in prison.

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