WEBVTT - All Ball - Pt 2. ‘Predator’ Actor Dane DeLiegro on Overseas Pro Experience, ‘Prey’ Big Break 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:10.360 Hey, we welcome in. I'm done. Godly, this is all ball, 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:13.319 all basketball, all the time, sort of. We talk a 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:16.520 lot of other stuff as well, including part two of 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:19.279 our of our talk with the new Predator, Dane de 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:22.760 Legro UH. He joins me in studio. We got a ton, 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:25.800 a ton of great stories that he's already told us 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:29.800 in in uh part one and more here in part two. 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:33.800 Really really fun and interesting stuff. Before we get to 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:35.880 part two with Dane, I did want to give you 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:42.040 my thoughts on on the unwinding of the nineteen year 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:46.720 age limit for the NBA draft. Uh. This is something 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:50.360 that's long been discussed, long been desired by the NBA, 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.680 p a and the NBA. Whether they want it or 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:56.320 don't want it, it's just been a leverage point where 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:59.120 they said we get to it. Now it feels like 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.840 they're going to get to it. So what does it do? Well, 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.679 the college basketball coaches forever have said, why don't we 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:07.560 just have the baseball rule, you know, college baseball while 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:08.880 you go out of high school or you gotta stay 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:10.920 for three years. That works. Here's the problem with it. 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:17.240 College Baseball, and I get I get that basketball is 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:22.800 an inherently different sport. Um, I totally understand that. I 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:25.800 understand that. Basketball is why are differently. That the tradition, 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:30.320 the pomp, circumstances, all of those things, and what you're 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:33.200 gonna do when you have, and you know, I know these. 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:36.360 They want more draft picks as well, which of course 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:40.320 will create a bigger influx of young players who go 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:43.680 directly to the minor leagues, to the to the g league. 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:47.520 There's a there's a lack of sustainability, I believe, to 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:51.120 the whole thing. I could be wrong because obviously gatorade 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:53.720 changing from the D League to the g league is 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:55.880 a big proponent of it. The League wants to stay alive. 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:58.280 It helps the teams, but they have don't get me wrong, 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:02.720 they lose money. This is not a money maker. Um, 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:06.200 for for the most part, I would guess it's a 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:09.120 little different with the gatorade money, but not much different. 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:14.639 The G League, ignite, is not a money maker. It's 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:18.760 just not. And the weird thing that I haven't heard 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.640 anybody say, at least in front of a microphone, is 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:26.120 you know, it doesn't matter that the players are better 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:28.680 than g league than they are in college basketball. People 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:33.600 don't watch minor league sports. So the caution to to 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:36.520 college basketball is this idea that we like the college 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:40.560 baseball model. Sounds Great, but does Anybody Watch College Baseball 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:42.720 outside the College Baseball World Series? The answer is no, 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:45.000 and you don't want to. You don't want that to 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:46.440 be your sport, that you don't want that to be 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:50.320 your m O, that nobody cares. On the other hand, 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:54.160 the cautionary tale for the NBA is it doesn't matter 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:57.680 how good the talent is in the g league. We 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:02.400 don't watch minor league sports. We just don't. And I 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:06.079 think turning college football or basketball in a minor league 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:09.240 sport is a mistake. And depending upon a minor league sport, 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:11.880 a True Minor League sport, to to to draw a 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:15.880 number on a TV writing is an ill fated concept. 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:19.280 I don't know. It seemed to work for a long 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:20.720 time the way that we used to do it, and 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:23.080 now that you have name, image and likeness, guys should 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:26.679 stay longer than our borderline. I I don't love this rule, 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.400 but I would especially not like this rule. If you 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:32.120 can come out of college, go back in. Come out 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.720 of college, go back in. Now you get compensated with 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:38.120 N I l. Now you can transfer right away without 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:41.320 sitting out, all of which is not great for college basketball, 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:44.760 but it's great for the student athlete. I think expanding 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:48.360 the draft pool Um and, frankly, lowing the age limit, 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.240 it's just gonna make more people charge into this thing headlong, 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:54.200 and that doesn't make it a great decision. All right, 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.640 let's get you to Dante Legro. Here's part two of 0:03:56.680 --> 0:04:01.480 my discussion with the new star of the new dangelegro. 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.120 So you have you finally got this passport, you get 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:10.360 done playing. So then all these like all these European 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:14.120 agents start coming out of the world facebook. They just, 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:16.360 I don't the same thing with the Jew the Jew 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:18.920 basketball radar. They just find you, I don't know. They 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.360 look up stats, they look up Division One. How many 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:22.920 Division One schools are there? So they you know, the 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:26.440 hundred and fifty, four now, I think, but back then 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:30.760 there was probably, you know, there's three. So if you 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:35.080 if you have like a hard working, relatively smart agent, 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:39.680 he can he can find these graduating seniors who could 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:43.120 go play overseas. And I don't know if it's public 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:45.120 information or not that I have my passport, but there 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:47.440 are people who are starting to pursue me now and 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:50.160 it's it's a little bit of a factory. Like you know. 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.960 They're a guy from Germany came and did his rounds 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:54.600 on the East Coast and met with me at New 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.720 Hampshire and my numbers weren't bad, but I started for 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:02.840 four years, so I think that stands out. Um, I graduated, 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.719 I was the second all time leading rebounder in school history. 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:08.240 Oh that's another I was I could have been the 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:12.800 all time leading reboundersquistory. I got suspended for what I had. 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:17.000 I used a fake parking pass. That are S I 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:20.120 D who? But by the way, our S I d 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:24.480 on the road was my roommate. His name, his name 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:27.480 doesn't matter. I'm not even gonna his name is Eric, 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:33.680 but Um uh, he copied his like faculty parking pass 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:36.440 photocopy and gave it to me so that I could 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:41.240 park um closer to the field house so I wouldn't 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:46.720 have to walk. Amazing our athletic trainer saw me one 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:50.919 day and snitched on me, reported it not to my 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:54.640 head coach but to the athletic director and I got 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:59.040 suspended for three games for extra benefits and he instiduably 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:02.640 forced me to pay one hundred dollars to a charity 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:05.919 of my choice, like, first of all, looking back. No, 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:11.200 the instable. You cannot fucking do that. You can't force. Okay, well, 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.000 I'm not paying. Well, you can't play. That's you can't 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:16.839 do that. I certainly can't. I don't know, but that 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:18.760 ship wouldn't fly today, I can tell you that much. 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.320 All that extra benefits ship. Well, yeah, that that stuff 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:23.839 as good. Well, for parking pass, I got suspended for 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:26.120 three games. People thought I was doing I'm in New Hampshire. 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:27.960 I me at Vermont there, like, were you doing drugs? 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:31.400 I heard you're doing dealing drugs. N Fake Parking Pass. Crazy. 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:34.400 Three Games, three games, three. And so I was the 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:38.080 average trainer. Did the trainer understand what he she was? No, 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:41.280 she did not know. She was just no, she didn't 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.640 choose from North Shore Massachusetts and just wanted to snitch 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.599 on me. And that's it. And I was averaging eight 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:49.640 point out. How many rebounds short are you of being 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.000 the all time leader rebound? So I was averaging eight 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:55.679 point eight rebounds a game that season and I missed 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:57.599 three games and I missed the all time leading rebound 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:01.240 record by twenty four rebounds. Women close but very likely. 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:03.560 If I knew, and who are the team? If you knew, 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:05.599 you would have got more. If I knew, I would 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:10.120 have dedicated these games to rebounding. It's since changed. The 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:15.160 record has been broken by now. You know, I would 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:19.200 have been I don't even know, Um, because they played 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:20.960 more games now too. Well, they play more games and 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:24.360 like the yeah, there there are like better those. Those 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:26.880 records are so fragile because we never had players at 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:30.320 New Hampshire anyways. So you bring one guy in who's 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:32.560 capable of doing a lot of things and you know 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:35.120 that they were going to break all the records. So 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:40.120 I was seventh all timesis when I when I finished, 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:44.160 but I finished three short of Greg Anthony and then 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:48.800 Aaron Miles is, uh was how many? Way, he's seven 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:54.880 short of him. Um, I'm nine short of Tony Miller 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:59.880 at Marquette and thirteen short of Sherman Douglas. And these 0:07:59.880 --> 0:08:03.800 are all the time. Great, I'm forty six. Oh, you 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:07.200 didn't play with Travis Deiner Against Travis Deiner? No, here's 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:10.600 my point guard. So so my point is, my my 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:15.560 story is I wasn't suspended, but one UM, Notre Dame, 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:18.480 did not help because one. We lost in the first 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.480 game in the Big East Tournament. We didn't play any 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:26.200 postseason play and we played pretty slow. Right that that 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.480 that that didn't help. But I did start that year, 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:31.320 so I probably got more than most guys. But then 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:33.679 in Oaklhama state. So my the year I aloud led 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:35.760 the country one time, a second the other time. But 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:40.120 when the year I let it Um, two things one. 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:43.640 So I was averaging like twelve and ten. We play 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:47.360 out here play. That's crazy. And I had gotten a 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:51.920 technical foul against Florida Gulf coast. So here's the here's 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:55.920 the here's the story. Okay, UM, my sophomore year we 0:08:55.920 --> 0:09:00.400 we were picked last in the League and UM at 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:03.440 Oakham state. So I sat out of year side of 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:06.520 Oaklham state and Um really was there was a bunch 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:08.559 of other schools that's going to go to and it 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:10.480 just kind of all fell into place. Plus, they badly 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:12.520 need a point card. If you watch their team play 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:16.199 like they're actually really good. They just are playing way 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:17.640 too slow because they don't have a point guard and 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:19.640 they don't have anybody who makes everybody else better like 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:22.600 they had really like Joe Atkins was my two guard. 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:24.800 He averaged like four and a half sister game our 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:28.280 senior year. He was a great passer and score. He 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:30.439 just wasn't a point guard right, like he didn't think 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:34.280 of getting everybody else involved. Deson Mason was was playing 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:37.640 a wing and you know, when I got there we 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:40.640 moved into the four, we played small and he was, 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:42.439 you know, like as a he it was just a 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:45.920 constant mismatch, right. So, anyway, we had a really good 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.719 sophomore year. We got a bad draw. We lose the 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:50.880 Duke in the N C a tournament, kind of similarly 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:54.160 to your Yukon story where we were tied with Duke 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:56.559 with two and a half ago. We get home but 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.920 we got no. I meant not the officiating, which wasn't great, 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.320 but it was more that you get home and people 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:05.880 are celebrating. You're like we lost, like Oh, would you 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:08.760 almost be Duke? Like we lost, like no, you almost 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:10.439 bed it, like we fucking lost. We should have won 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:14.439 the game, like, dude, have a beer. So it was 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:16.079 a hard fought battle and it was I'm sure it 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:18.319 was great to watch, but the end result is what 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:20.160 was really plus. Like, you know, if you're in the moment, 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:21.400 you're like we shouldn't want to. It was a tight 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:22.760 game with two haive minutes ago and we made a 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:24.199 couple of shots and they scored, like we should have 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:28.440 won the game. So Um. So, my junior year we 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:32.160 were picked when we were top preseason, top ten, because 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:37.320 we had everybody back except our starting center again, Brett Robisch. Brett, 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:40.760 his dad played in the NBA. His brother was on 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:43.840 the team to his brother ultimately transferred to Butler. He 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:47.280 played like six years but like fifty games because he's 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:50.880 just always had these always hurt. Brett was really good. 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.520 But plus Brett was like a he took a lot 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:56.440 of bullets for all the rest of the guys, you know, 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:58.559 like he stood up for people, he talked back to 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:02.679 coaches just because he knew we couldn't play without him 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:05.440 and like he just didn't take ship from anybody. So 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:07.600 when he was gone it kind of changed the dynamic. 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:12.800 And then we had we didn't have enough eligible guards. 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.679 We lost Florida Atlantic. I could, I could do a 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:18.040 whole podcast on it, but I got so anyway, I 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:19.480 got a t in the I got thrown out of 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:23.400 the U C L A game. Again, another pot. You 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.080 want to just boil it down. Well, I got it 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:27.960 the first tea I got. So it's the only game 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.040 I ever played in the state of California and from California. 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:32.480 We played in Orange County. I'm from Orange County and 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:34.400 we played against US silly. My brother and sister used 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:36.120 a lambs. I was the U C L, a ticket 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:39.280 hold of one, I would say I was. I was 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:44.000 a ball boy for a time, you know. And UH, well, 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.520 Jim Herrick recruited me but I turned down. And then 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:49.839 Steve Labin was the coach we lost to. So Um. 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:52.959 So I turned them down in a high school Um. 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:55.920 And then why went to know dame and then when 0:11:55.960 --> 0:12:00.280 I when I was sitting out in between, had baron 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:04.000 Davis not gone there, I would have gone there would 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.240 be a better player than me right. So they were 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:09.760 like wait, waiting on barren. So Baron it was his 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:11.800 first game off of the A C L tear from 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:14.400 the end of his freshman year. So he was heavy. 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:17.080 He wasn't very good, but I got a tea where. 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.120 I mean the officiating was awful. There's got named Charlie range. 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.720 Anybody listen to podcast just from western United States are 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.080 a high a college basketball coach like Oh, Charlie range, 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:30.480 borderline criminals official, fucking horrible. Okay, but he would always 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:32.720 do the big west coast game when somebody from the 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:34.440 East would come and play or midwest to come and 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:36.880 play and low behold, like they would get calls like 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:41.240 Charlie range. Dave Libby was a better official but also 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:43.320 could be a merciless prick if you if you looked 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.280 at him, weird like he would. He hed t coach 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:52.280 and my last game ever for nothing anyway. So Um, 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:54.839 I go and I'm, you know, again kind of like you, 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:57.240 like I'm in college. I probably run my mouth more 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:01.079 than that ship. So we start the game and it's 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:03.680 like six Oh and six Oh and fouls, and so 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:05.280 I flipped the ball to him after they call us 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.240 like a little nickel diamond. I was like come on, 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:09.240 charl leaving him up a little bit. He bangs me. 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:14.120 You know. That's the first so end of the first half, 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:18.080 like we're holding for the last shot and I probably 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.720 went early off a highball screen. I go in and 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:25.280 I shoot a floater over Jerome Moiso, French kid, and 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:28.200 Dan get's reach. I don't know how you remember all these. 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:30.160 I don't remember half of the dudes I played again. Well, 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:33.240 they were both pros and that ship came out so hard. 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:37.840 They were like. And then baron like I went by him, 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:41.080 so instead of trying to get back defensively, like, he 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.520 leaked out. He gets a layup, lays it in. I 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:45.520 think it was only two points of the night and 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:50.120 he comes back like talking ship. Yeah, motherfucker, yeah, yeah, motherfucker, 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:52.959 and he like bumped shoulders to me. I was like, 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.240 get the funk off me, dude, right, and he takes 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:59.760 a dive. Oh No, takes so they call it in 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:03.520 tensional foul, but then they go back and the intentional 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:08.600 foul was after the halftime Buzzer had expired. Consider technical foul. 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:10.599 So I have to stay in the locker room in 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:14.079 the second half. We lose by three points. So we 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:20.600 had we had a player sitting out. Um, I promised 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:22.360 my teammates I would not I would not say his 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.480 name aloud because he's the one guy who's not in 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:28.640 the circle. But his name is Glenn and Alexander. He's 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:33.720 had some he's had an interesting post career career life whatever. 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:35.840 He's the all time leaning scored in the State of Texas. 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.080 He was a transfer from Arkansas, so he was eligible 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:41.720 the next game. So uh, and that's really what kind 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:44.120 of unsettled our whole team. We had terrible chemistry because 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:48.880 he thought he should play right away and like we 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:50.280 were all we all started the year before we were 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.000 really good. So somebody was gonna sit and ended up 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:54.560 being him and him coming out the bench and ended 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.600 up kind of settling and working itself out. But the 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:59.760 next eight games I was in the doghouse and he 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:04.160 had enough. Dud. Don't you know, if you get as 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:06.560 you punch somebody. I don't know if the rules changed. 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:07.920 I don't know. If you get thrown out now you 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:11.000 have to sit, but but I played like eight minutes, 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:14.160 nine minutes, like I was like I'm out of here, 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.520 like this dude is doghouse and me for some bullshit. 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:20.320 And those are also the games against the SHITTY teams 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:23.560 like Southeast Missouri State right like Dude, I would have 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:27.240 had fifteen assists. So the net net is at the 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:29.000 end of that year we end up turning around, having 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:30.360 a good year, having a good run at the end 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:34.520 of the season and losing to Auburn Um Bruceton Coachter 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:38.640 then Um um losing to Auburn in the second round 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:42.520 of the tournament. But I lead the country and assists, 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:45.200 but I only played twenty six minutes of game, which 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:48.000 is the lowest number of minutes per gamebably the highest 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:51.520 efficiency rating, no question, like through the like per forty, forty, 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:54.720 I was insane. This system. Like, look at everybody else 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:56.360 who leaves the country and sists. They all average like 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:58.840 thirty five, thirty six minutes. Again, and now part of 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:01.080 it was my own doing, with like retrow shooting took 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.560 me out of games late. That hurt my scoring average 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:09.400 as well. Oh, terrible, like forty something really. Yeah, well, 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:11.320 I thought I was bad. I was like fifty six 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:12.880 and that's bad. But I would go, I would I 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:14.920 would start good and then I would always hit, like 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:17.160 some mental thing. And it's such a mental thing. Oh, 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:20.520 it's the worst. So, especially if it was a game 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:23.080 where like so hit. My point is there was a 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.800 really long way of getting around to like I completely understand. 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:29.040 Like had I I I find three assists short and 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:32.600 at the time, like now, I'm like no, I'm eleventh. 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:37.440 But like, had that doghouse not occurred, there's eight games 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:42.840 stretch there, I'm probably third all time and assist in 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:47.320 the third fucking third, like dude, third, nobody could, nobody 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:49.640 will catch you anymore because, with the exception of like 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:52.520 a covid guy, nobody plays long enough. Like I was 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:54.040 like T J fourd. I was like, Bro, you gotta, 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:56.240 you gotta go pro. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's funny. I 0:16:56.480 --> 0:17:00.400 just like, for me, I mean you, you only means 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:01.720 a lot more to you than it does me, but 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.119 like it just it bugs me that for the rest 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:06.280 of my life. Now I have to say I graduated 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:08.919 the second all time leading rebounder and I wish I 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:11.919 could just have it, I mean listen it. Having my 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:15.480 my high school, I'm my boy, David Laalas Arian. He 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:19.119 surpassed me and I was second, and I was second 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:22.879 all time and scoring down third. I had I had 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.199 for everything else, scoring an assist, and he like what 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:30.680 up me his senior years. But the only other way 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:32.679 to look as well second. It could be worse, like 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:34.919 I could be I'm on the I'm on the on 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:38.200 the list. Fox Sports radio has the best sports talk 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:40.919 lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:44.359 Fox sports radio DOT COM and within the I heart 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:48.280 radio APP, Search F S R to listen live. Okay, 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:50.720 so you get done playing, these guys are searching out 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.679 to you facebook. Um, how did you just? How did 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:57.720 you pick an agent? UH, Jim Norton was, I think, 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:01.359 connected to me through my add my my father worked 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:05.359 for Nike for thirty one years. He Um, he started 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.639 with them when they were blue ribbon sports and I 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:11.439 think he was employee number two, oh four. He was 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:18.439 very early. He started with Nike in the seventies and Um, uh, 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.159 he made a lot of contacts through the years and 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:24.399 one of one of his people like connected him with 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:26.959 this Guy Jim, Jim notton out of Texas, who was 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:33.080 a sports agent in Europe for Europe European players. and Um, yeah, 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:36.440 I just I remember standing outside the library in Durham 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:39.000 and like Jim's pitch was the best one I heard. 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:42.119 So I just signed with him. So, uh, where's your 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:44.800 first team? Oh, stuny, Italy. That was also during the 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:49.840 lockout until eleven. So like the European teams were like bolstered. 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:52.560 So it kind of all the NBA guys came over 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:58.120 and it kind of pushed everyone down. Um Division, second division. 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:01.280 Where's the stunny? It was stunts in Pulia. It's in 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:02.760 this it's in the south. It's in the heel of 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:05.200 the boot of Italy. I've never heard of it. It's 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:07.520 called Lech Ta Bianca, which means the white city. It's 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:10.960 all white washed limestone buildings. It's a great place to 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:13.440 go on vacation. It's it's really amazing, the whole city. 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:15.960 It's up on a hill. It's surrounded by alive trees 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:19.360 like it's something out of like game of thrones. Um, 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.640 it's a great place to visit. Just you know you're 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.920 living there for ten months now and I'm holy Shit, 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:28.119 I'm in Italy and I think my first contract was 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:32.520 like forty dollars. Wasn't much, but it's it's tax free 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:33.720 and they give you a house, to give you a 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:37.560 give you a car. Pretty good deal. And the car 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:41.280 they gave me was a Fiat Marea. It was terrible 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:45.240 stick shift. Aaron Johnson, who was U A B Guy, 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:49.440 you might know him. He was assist leader into A. Yeah, 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:53.480 he was my point guard. Playing with Aaron Johnson was 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.520 one of the most pleasant experiences of my life that 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:59.720 that dude got me the ball. He would just drive 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:02.280 into traffic and then disappear and then the ball just 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:04.080 be in my hands. I don't know how he did it, 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:09.360 but Um, yeah, we they went bankrupt with like four 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:12.159 months left of the season. Didn't tell us. We kept playing. 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:14.640 When we realized that, the team started, you know something, 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:17.240 the guys started striking. For me, I didn't care. It 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:18.879 wasn't about the money. For me, I just wanted to 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:22.879 put on display what I was capable of, and I 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:25.879 think I lost like half my contract that season because 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:28.600 they just stopped paying and like they that's the thing 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:30.600 about Europe. was like, yeah, it's tax free, it's great. 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:32.760 They pay you when they want to pay you. They 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:34.480 pay if they want to pay you, and they have 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:37.119 they have your Feba contract and then they have this 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:39.840 thing called the image contract, and the image contract is 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:44.000 that black money. It's that untaxed envelope that you get 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:47.040 at the end of, you know, every month, and it 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:50.560 comes wrapped in like ankle taping pre wrap and uh, 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:53.600 there you go. Um, and you know you can make 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:56.280 more money signing a bigger image contract, but you're putting 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:58.919 yourself at risk because if the team fails, then you 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:03.560 are owed less money because it's not in the books. Um, 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:05.840 played well, you know, obviously it didn't matter that we 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:09.560 went bankrupt. Then I signed with Sassery and Sassaries in 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:13.600 Sardinia and I went from I went from Italy Sign 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:19.080 Division to First Division. Um, a team consisting of travis diner, 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:25.640