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Speaker 1: discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi. I'm Sandra Champlain.
Speaker 1: For over twenty five years, I've been on a journey
Speaker 1: to prove the existence of life after death. Each episode
Speaker 1: will discuss the reasons we now know that our loved
Speaker 1: ones have survived physical debt, and so will we. Welcome
Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife. Well, Hello, I hope you've
Speaker 1: been enjoying your day and whatever it is you're doing
Speaker 1: right now that you're choosing to listen to Shades of
Speaker 1: the Afterlife. I'm so grateful. I'm going to start out
Speaker 1: with a story and you'll pick up pretty quick. I
Speaker 1: think of what this episode is about. John McConnell, a
Speaker 1: retired New York City policeman working as a security guard,
Speaker 1: stopped at an electronics store after work one night in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two. He saw two men robbing the store
Speaker 1: and pulled out his pistol. Another thief behind the counter
Speaker 1: began shooting at him. John tried to shoot back, and
Speaker 1: even after he fell, he got up and shot again.
Speaker 1: He was hit six times. One of the bullets entered
Speaker 1: his back and sliced through his left lung, his heart,
Speaker 1: and the main pulmonary artery, the blood vessel that takes
Speaker 1: blood from the right side of the heart so that
Speaker 1: the lungs receive oxygen. He was rushed to the hospital,
Speaker 1: but he did not survive. John had been close to
Speaker 1: his family and had frequently told one of his daughters, Dorene,
Speaker 1: no matter what, I'm always going to take care of you.
Speaker 1: Five years after John died, Doreene gave birth to a
Speaker 1: son named William. William began passing out soon after he
Speaker 1: was born, doctors diagnosed him with a condition called pulmonary
Speaker 1: valve atresia, in which the valve of the pulmonary artery
Speaker 1: has not adequately formed, so blood cannot travel through it
Speaker 1: to the lungs. In addition, one of the chambers of
Speaker 1: his heart, the right ventricle, had not formed properly. As
Speaker 1: a result of the problem with the valve, he underwent
Speaker 1: several surgeries. Although he will need to take medication indefinitely,
Speaker 1: he has done quite well. William had birth defects that
Speaker 1: were very similar to the fatal wounds suffered by his grandfather.
Speaker 1: In addition, when he became old enough to talk, he
Speaker 1: began talking about his grandfather's life. One day, when he
Speaker 1: was just three years old, his mother was at home
Speaker 1: trying to work in her study when William kept acting up. Finally,
Speaker 1: she told him sit down, or I'm going to spank you.
Speaker 1: William replied, Mom, when you were a little girl and
Speaker 1: I was your daddy, you were bad a lot of times,
Speaker 1: and I never spank to you. His mother was initially
Speaker 1: taken aback by this. As William talked more about the
Speaker 1: life of his grandfather, she began to feel comforted by
Speaker 1: the idea that her father had returned. William talked about
Speaker 1: being his grandfather a number of times and discussed his death.
Speaker 1: He told his mother that several people were shooting during
Speaker 1: the incident when he was killed, and he asked a
Speaker 1: lot of questions about it. One night, he said to
Speaker 1: his mother, when you were a little girl and I
Speaker 1: was your daddy, what was my cat's name? She responded,
Speaker 1: you mean Maniac? No, not that one. William answered, the
Speaker 1: white one, Boston. His mom asked, yeah. William responded, I
Speaker 1: used to call him Boss, right, that was correct. The
Speaker 1: family had two cats, one named Maniac and one Boston,
Speaker 1: and only one John referred to as Boss. One day,
Speaker 1: Doreen asked William if he remembered anything about the time
Speaker 1: before he was born. He said that he died on
Speaker 1: Thursday and went to heaven. He said that he saw
Speaker 1: animals there and also talked to God. He said, I
Speaker 1: told God I was ready to come back, and I
Speaker 1: got born on Tuesday. Doreen was amazed that William mentioned days,
Speaker 1: since he did not even know the days of the week.
Speaker 1: She tested him by saying, so, you were born on
Speaker 1: Thursday and died on a Tuesday. He quickly responded, no,
Speaker 1: I died Thursday at night and was born Tuesday in
Speaker 1: the morning. He was correct on both counts. John died
Speaker 1: on Thursday and William was born on a Tuesday. Five
Speaker 1: years later, he talked about the period between lives. He
Speaker 1: told his mother, when you die, you don't go right
Speaker 1: to heaven. You go to different levels here than here
Speaker 1: than here, as he moved his hand up each time.
Speaker 1: He said that animals are reborn as well as humans,
Speaker 1: and that the animals he saw in heaven did not
Speaker 1: bite or scratch. John had been a practicing Roman Catholic,
Speaker 1: but he believed in reincarnation and said that he would
Speaker 1: take care of animals in his next life. His grandson,
Speaker 1: William says that he will be an animal doctor and
Speaker 1: he will take care of large animals at a zoo.
Speaker 1: William reminds Dorene of her father in several ways. He
Speaker 1: loves books, as his grandfather did. When they visit William's grandmother,
Speaker 1: he can spend hours looking at books in John's study,
Speaker 1: duplicating his grandfather's behavior from years before. William, like his grandfather,
Speaker 1: is good at putting things together. Anne can be a
Speaker 1: NonStop talker. William especially reminds Dorene of her father when
Speaker 1: he tells her, don't worry, Mom, I'll take care of you.
Speaker 1: Essed it. I knew you would. Children's Memories of previous
Speaker 1: lives is our topic. I have, as you may imagine,
Speaker 1: hundreds of books. This one is called Life Before Life
Speaker 1: with the fantastic Jim B. Tucker. I'll let you hear
Speaker 1: some words from Jim Tucker in the next segment, but
Speaker 1: just so you have the resource, Jim B. Tucker dot
Speaker 1: Com is his website. Let's go to the next story.
Speaker 1: Sam Taylor is a boy from Vermont who was born
Speaker 1: a year and a half after his paternal grandfather died.
Speaker 1: When Sam was just one and a half years old,
Speaker 1: his father was changing his diaper one day and Sam
Speaker 1: told him when I was your age, I used to
Speaker 1: change your diapers. After his mother saw the puzzled look
Speaker 1: on the father's face, they discussed the comment, which they
Speaker 1: both found odd. Neither had ever given of an reincarnation
Speaker 1: much of a thought. Though Sam's mother was the daughter
Speaker 1: of a Southern Baptist minister, his parents were not religious.
Speaker 1: Following the incident, Sam began saying that he had been
Speaker 1: his grandfather. He also said, I used to be big
Speaker 1: and now I'm small. While his father was initially skeptical
Speaker 1: about such a possibility, his mother was more open to
Speaker 1: the idea, and she began asking him questions about the
Speaker 1: life of his paternal grandfather. At one point, she and
Speaker 1: Sam were even talking about the fact that his grandmother
Speaker 1: had taken care of his grandfather before he died. Sam's
Speaker 1: mother asked him what his grandmother made every day for
Speaker 1: his grandfather to drink, and Sam correctly said that she
Speaker 1: had made milkshakes and that she made them in a
Speaker 1: machine in the kitchen. He got up to show her
Speaker 1: the food processor on the kitchen counter, when the mother
Speaker 1: showed him the blender in the pantry and asked if
Speaker 1: that's what he meant that the grandmother had made the
Speaker 1: milkshakes with. He said no, and he pointed to the
Speaker 1: food processor instead. In fact, his grandmother had made milkshakes
Speaker 1: for the grandfather in the food processor. She then had
Speaker 1: a series of strokes after the death of his grandfather,
Speaker 1: and Sam had never seen her make milkshakes for anyone.
Speaker 1: At another time, Sam's mother asked him if he had
Speaker 1: any brothers or sisters when he lived before. He answered, yeah,
Speaker 1: I had a sister, but she turned into a fish.
Speaker 1: When she asked him who turned her into a fish,
Speaker 1: he said, some bad guys. She died. You know what,
Speaker 1: when we die, God lets us come back again. I
Speaker 1: used to be big, and now I'm a kid again.
Speaker 1: The sister of Sam's grandfather, in fact, had been killed
Speaker 1: some sixty years before. Her husband killed her while she
Speaker 1: was sleeping, rolled her body up in a blanket, and
Speaker 1: dumped her in the water at the bay. At other times,
Speaker 1: Sam correctly said that his grandfather's favorite place in the
Speaker 1: home was the garage where he worked on inventions, and
Speaker 1: that Sam's father had a small steering wheel of his own.
Speaker 1: When they rode in the car. When the father was
Speaker 1: a boy, he did have a toy steering wheel that
Speaker 1: attached to the dashboard of the car by suction cups.
Speaker 1: When Sam was four and a half years old, his
Speaker 1: grandmother died. His father flew out to her home to
Speaker 1: take care of her belongings, and returned with a box
Speaker 1: of family photographs. Sam's parents had not had any of
Speaker 1: the pictures of his father's family before then. When his
Speaker 1: mother spread them out on the coffee table one night,
Speaker 1: Sam came over and began pointing to the pictures of
Speaker 1: his grandfather and said, that's me. When he saw a
Speaker 1: snapshot that showed a car without any people, he said, hey,
Speaker 1: that's my car. This was a picture of the first
Speaker 1: new car that his grandfather ever purchased, a nineteen forty
Speaker 1: nine Pontiac that was very special to him. His mother
Speaker 1: gave Sam a class picture from when his grandfather was
Speaker 1: in grammar school. The pictures showed twenty seven children, sixteen
Speaker 1: of them boys. Sam ran his finger across the faces
Speaker 1: and stopped it on the grandfather's face and said that
Speaker 1: one's me. His father says, Sam's grandfather did not communicate
Speaker 1: very well about emotional issues with this, particularly when they
Speaker 1: were adults. Sam's father let his own father know how
Speaker 1: he felt about him, but his father had great difficulty reciprocating.
Speaker 1: He feels that if his father has come back through Sam,
Speaker 1: then his deceased father is reaching out to return his love.
Speaker 1: Sam's father is now very open with all of his children,
Speaker 1: and he and Sam seem to have a very good relationship.
Speaker 1: So let's go to the break and I'll tell you
Speaker 1: more about Jim B. Tucker and let you hear some
Speaker 1: words about his findings about children and reincarnation. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on
Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
Speaker 1: The topic of reincarnation can be a hot topic. There
Speaker 1: are many that feel the stories of reincarnation are simply
Speaker 1: that the person is very attuned psychically in mediumistically and
Speaker 1: he or she can pick up on people in the afterlife. However,
Speaker 1: in most of children and reincarnation, the children remember that
Speaker 1: they were other people. Doctor Jim B. Tucker has done
Speaker 1: an awful lot of research into this, following the works
Speaker 1: of doctor Ian Stevenson. It's also interesting to know that
Speaker 1: the stories of these children, there's always some sort of
Speaker 1: unfinished business of the life they possibly had before. What
Speaker 1: I don't want is anyone to be scared of this conversation.
Speaker 1: I do know there are some people in the world
Speaker 1: that think if we reincarnate right away, that they won't
Speaker 1: be able to see their loved one when they transition
Speaker 1: to the afterlife. Through the years of my investigating, I
Speaker 1: have learned and really do believe that it is possible
Speaker 1: that part of us can stay in the afterlife, and
Speaker 1: perhaps part of us can choose to come back. If
Speaker 1: we look at the population on planet Earth, there are
Speaker 1: currently almost eight billion people living on our planet. Fifty
Speaker 1: years ago there was only about four billion. So if
Speaker 1: reincarnation was the only way we'd come back, well we'd
Speaker 1: still have about four billion. I tend to think that
Speaker 1: part of us may remain, and part of us may
Speaker 1: choose to come back. In fact, people who have claimed
Speaker 1: to be reincarnated that deceased person has been reached through
Speaker 1: a medium. So again that may point to that part
Speaker 1: of us stays in the afterlife and part might choose
Speaker 1: to return. Either way, it's a fascinating subject and I
Speaker 1: want you to hear right now some words from doctor
Speaker 1: Jim B. Tucker as he is talking to John Clice
Speaker 1: actor who you may remember from Monty Python and a
Speaker 1: fish called Wanda. It's nice to know that he is
Speaker 1: an explorer of this topic. Now, this is Jim Tucker's
Speaker 1: an all well friend of mine, and he's got lots
Speaker 1: of academic We send us some of your academic Quotificurasally well,
Speaker 1: I'm a medical doctor, I'm a physician, and I'm a
Speaker 1: board certified child psychiatrist. I am the director of the
Speaker 1: Division of Processional Studies, and I'm also the Bonnar Lowry
Speaker 1: Professor of Psychiatry and Neurobehavioral Sciences at the University of Virginia.
Speaker 1: So shut up, listen to me more. No, I want
Speaker 1: to talk to you because you know about as much
Speaker 1: about reincarnation as anyone on the planet. I think. Start
Speaker 1: off by telling me about Ian Stevenson, and then why
Speaker 1: you got interested in Yeah, yeah, So. Ian Stevenson was
Speaker 1: the chairman of the Department of Psychiatry here, having a
Speaker 1: perfectly successful mainstream career when he got intrigued by reports
Speaker 1: of young children who said they remember the past life.
Speaker 1: And these were from all over the world, and he
Speaker 1: went and investigated and numbered them, got more and more intrigued.
Speaker 1: Eventually stepped down as chairman of the department and focused
Speaker 1: full time on this work, looking mainly to see could
Speaker 1: the children's statements be verified, to confirm the child actually
Speaker 1: did remember a past life. And he started this in
Speaker 1: the early sixties and we've been going ever since, and
Speaker 1: now it got over twenty five hundred cases. So what
Speaker 1: do use to this? Well, I got intrigued by the
Speaker 1: question of life after death, which is one that I
Speaker 1: think contrigues everyone to at least some extends. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: the opportunity arose where I called here and volunteered to
Speaker 1: give some time to help with their studies. And at
Speaker 1: that point Ian Stevenson was in his late seventies and
Speaker 1: sort of unbeknownst to me, was hoping somebody could carry
Speaker 1: on this work with reincarnation memories. I actually called about
Speaker 1: near death experiences to begin with, but then my niche
Speaker 1: sort of ended up being with the reincarnation memories and
Speaker 1: that's what I've been doing. An inderstand, So are those
Speaker 1: What can you say about the sort of pretty hard
Speaker 1: scientific fact. Well, in the strongest cases, we have been
Speaker 1: able to verify that the children's statements match with a
Speaker 1: past life and one of a stranger that the child
Speaker 1: and the family knew nothing about before the child started
Speaker 1: making these statements. So we never take anything at face value,
Speaker 1: but we determine as carefully as possible what exactly the
Speaker 1: child has said, and then we go looking to see
Speaker 1: And how do you find out what the child has said?
Speaker 1: You asked the parents, friends, Yes, the parents and the friends,
Speaker 1: and sometimes the child him or herself. Some of them
Speaker 1: will talk to us, some won't, But we go sort
Speaker 1: of statement by statement and try to be clear about
Speaker 1: what the child has said, and then you go to
Speaker 1: the village where the original person was. Well, that's right.
Speaker 1: So we start by studying sort of the side, the
Speaker 1: child side of the case, and then we go to
Speaker 1: the previous life side. And in the international cases, it
Speaker 1: might be to another village. Here it might be to
Speaker 1: another state or another town, or or by email with
Speaker 1: another family and try to see what we can find out.
Speaker 1: What I said, village, because I tend to think of
Speaker 1: these things happening more in places where reunca nation is
Speaker 1: part of a religious faith. But do you you do
Speaker 1: get them from America? Yeah? I mean certainly the cases
Speaker 1: are easier to find in places with the belief in
Speaker 1: reincarnation because people talk about them and then they're not
Speaker 1: empowered here about them. That's right. So I mean Ian
Speaker 1: Stevenson had associates in various countries who were on the
Speaker 1: lookout for cases. Now with the Internet, the cases, the
Speaker 1: American cases find us. So we get emails from parents
Speaker 1: a the time recording what their children are saying. So
Speaker 1: it's used to people would criticize Ian's work and say
Speaker 1: that it was just a cultural phenomenon. And we now
Speaker 1: have proof that is not just a cultural phenomenon because
Speaker 1: it happens here. Tell us one of the best best
Speaker 1: research cases, just to show what the possibility. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: one thing I studied was a little boy named Ryan
Speaker 1: who started talking about a life in Hollywood when he
Speaker 1: was four years old, and he would beg and cry,
Speaker 1: cry and beg his mother to take him to Hollywood.
Speaker 1: So he was in Oklahoma. So eventually she got some
Speaker 1: books out of the public library about Hollywood to try
Speaker 1: to help him kind of process this. And they were
Speaker 1: looking through one of them one day and they got
Speaker 1: to a picture from an old movie called Night after Night,
Speaker 1: and he pointed to one of the guys and said, hey, mom,
Speaker 1: that's George. We did a picture together. And then he
Speaker 1: pointed to another person and said, and that's me. I
Speaker 1: found me. Now. The first person he pointed to was
Speaker 1: George Raft, who was a well known actor back in
Speaker 1: the day. But the other one he pointed to that
Speaker 1: he said he had been was an extra with no
Speaker 1: lines in the movie. So Ryan's mom wrote to me
Speaker 1: to see if I could help figure out who this
Speaker 1: person was, and as we were working on it, she
Speaker 1: was sending me emails, sometimes on a daily basis, with
Speaker 1: all these statements that Ryan was making. So we got
Speaker 1: documentation of everything he was saying, and then eventually, with
Speaker 1: the help of a Hollywood archivist, we were able to
Speaker 1: find out who this person was. This archivist went to
Speaker 1: the library of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences,
Speaker 1: got all the materials on this movie night after night,
Speaker 1: and there was one shot that included him and gave
Speaker 1: his name a guy named Marty Martin. And Ryan had
Speaker 1: described quite a life, which, to be honest, I felt
Speaker 1: was unlikely for an extra with no lines in a movie,
Speaker 1: but it fit Marty Martin's life. So Ryan said how
Speaker 1: he had danced in New York and Marty Martin danced
Speaker 1: on Broadway. Ryan said that he then went and worked
Speaker 1: in the movies, which Marty Martin did emotionally working on
Speaker 1: dance in the movies. He said that he then worked
Speaker 1: at an agency and Marty Martin started a successful talent agency.
Speaker 1: He described this life of going to Europe on ships
Speaker 1: and so forth, which Marty Martin did. He also said
Speaker 1: that the street address of his house had the word
Speaker 1: rock or mount in it, and Marty Martin lived on
Speaker 1: North Roxbury. And then also one time he said he
Speaker 1: didn't see why God would let you get to sixty
Speaker 1: one and then come back again as a baby. And
Speaker 1: Marty Martin's death certificate actually said he was fifty nine.
Speaker 1: But when I looked into it, I found Census for
Speaker 1: records and marriage listings and passenger lists that all gave ages,
Speaker 1: which meant, in fact, he was sixty one when he
Speaker 1: died in nine fifty nine. So all together we were
Speaker 1: able to verify that over fifty Ryan's statements match Marty
Speaker 1: Martin's life, and Marty Martin was an obscure person who
Speaker 1: died in nineteen sixty four, and then there was no
Speaker 1: information anywhere big Well, that's right, and now there is
Speaker 1: more on the internet because of this case, but at
Speaker 1: the time there was nothing on Marty Martin on the internet.
Speaker 1: So what conclusion do you have, Well, what we can
Speaker 1: conclude from that case is that most conservatively we can
Speaker 1: say that Ryan had knowledge of this life in the past.
Speaker 1: Now his experience of this knowledge, that it was memories
Speaker 1: of a life he experienced, and that's certainly the most
Speaker 1: straightforward explanation. But clearly we have very good evidence that
Speaker 1: he had knowledge of a life that it would have
Speaker 1: been impossible for him to gain through some sort of
Speaker 1: ordinary means. So that's the kind of case that we
Speaker 1: are trying to explore. Can we rule out that the
Speaker 1: knowledge that there were no ordinary means where the child
Speaker 1: learned it, and in a case like this there could
Speaker 1: be ordinary means, absolutely has to be some kind of
Speaker 1: PSI explanation somewhere in all the line. That's right. It
Speaker 1: certainly seems to be something um sire or psychic, like
Speaker 1: you say, to explain it, because there's no way to
Speaker 1: explain it away. Thank you, short but sweet and a
Speaker 1: little laugh from John Clice. Of course, if you want
Speaker 1: to hear more about that study of the five year
Speaker 1: old with the memories of Hollywood, go back two episode
Speaker 1: seventy two. I give even more detailed account of that
Speaker 1: from Jim's work. Let's go to the break and then
Speaker 1: we'll hear more stories. You're listening to Shades of the
Speaker 1: Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast, a paranormal
Speaker 1: podcast network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm
Speaker 1: Sandra Champlain and we are on the subject of children's
Speaker 1: past life memories, here's another story for you. This one
Speaker 1: is the case of Nazi from Lebanon. At a very
Speaker 1: early age, Nazi described a past life to his parents
Speaker 1: and his seven siblings. Nazi described the life of a
Speaker 1: man that his family did not know. He said that
Speaker 1: the man carried pistols and grenades, and that he had
Speaker 1: a pretty wife and young children, and that he had
Speaker 1: a two story house with trees all around it and
Speaker 1: there was a cave nearby. Also that he had a
Speaker 1: mute friend, and that he had been shot by a
Speaker 1: group of men. His father reported that Nazee demanded that
Speaker 1: his parents take him to the previous house in the
Speaker 1: small town ten miles away. They took him to that
Speaker 1: town along with two of his sisters and a brother,
Speaker 1: when he was only six years old. About a half
Speaker 1: mile from the town, Nazee asked them to stop at
Speaker 1: a dirt road running off of the main road. He
Speaker 1: told them that the road came to a dead end
Speaker 1: where there was a cave, but they drove on without
Speaker 1: confirming this. When they got to the center of the town,
Speaker 1: roads converged and Nazi's father asked him which way they
Speaker 1: should go. Nazi pointed to one of the roads and
Speaker 1: said to take it until it came to a road
Speaker 1: that forked off upward, where they would see his house.
Speaker 1: When they got to the first fork, they went up,
Speaker 1: and the family began asking about anyone who had died
Speaker 1: in the way that Nazi had described. They quickly discovered
Speaker 1: that a man named Fuad, who had a house on
Speaker 1: that road before dying ten years prior to Nazi's birth,
Speaker 1: seemed to fit Nazi's description. Fuad's widow asked Nazi who
Speaker 1: built the foundation of this gate at the entrance of
Speaker 1: the house, and Nazi correctly answered a man from the
Speaker 1: Farage family. The group then went into the house, where
Speaker 1: Nazi correctly described how Fuad had kept his weapons in
Speaker 1: a cupboard. The widow asked him if she had had
Speaker 1: an accident at their previous home, and Nazi gave accurate
Speaker 1: details of the accident. She also asked if he remembered
Speaker 1: what had made their young daughter seriously ill, and Nazi
Speaker 1: correctly responded that she had accidentally taken some of her
Speaker 1: father's pills. He also accurately described a couple of other
Speaker 1: incidents from the previous personalities life the widow and her
Speaker 1: five children were all very impressed with the knowledge that
Speaker 1: Nazi demonstrated, and they were all convinced that he was
Speaker 1: the rebirth of Fuad. Soon after that meeting, Nazi visited
Speaker 1: Fuad's brother, sheik Adib. When Nazi saw him, he ran
Speaker 1: up saying, here comes my brother Adib. Sheik Adib asked
Speaker 1: Nazi for proof that he was his brother, and Nazi said,
Speaker 1: I gave you a check i Si sixteen. A check
Speaker 1: I sixteen is a type of pistol from Czechoslovakia that
Speaker 1: is not common in Lebanon, and Fuad had indeed given
Speaker 1: his brother one. Sheikh Adib then asked Nazi where his
Speaker 1: original house was, and Nazi led him down the road
Speaker 1: until he said, correctly, this is the house of my father,
Speaker 1: and this the next house, is my first house. They
Speaker 1: went into the latter house, where Fuad's first wife still lived,
Speaker 1: and when sheik Adib later asked who she was, Nazi
Speaker 1: correctly gave her name. Sheik Adib then showed Nazi a
Speaker 1: photograph of three men and asked him who they were.
Speaker 1: Nazi pointed to each of them and correctly gave the
Speaker 1: names of Adib, Fuad, and a deceased brother of theirs.
Speaker 1: Sheikh Adib showed Nazi another picture and Nazi said correctly
Speaker 1: that the man in it was the father of those men. Later,
Speaker 1: Sheik Adib visited Nazis home and he took a handgun
Speaker 1: with him. He asked Nazi if this was the gun
Speaker 1: that Fuad had given him, and Nazi correctly said that
Speaker 1: it was not. Doctor Haroldson investigated Nazi's case and he
Speaker 1: was able to verify most of the statements that Nazi made,
Speaker 1: including the claim that the previous personality had a mute friend.
Speaker 1: He also found out that Nazi's description of Fuad's house
Speaker 1: matched another one in which Fuad lived in for several years,
Speaker 1: including the time during which the house in town, which
Speaker 1: was not fully completed at the time of Fuad's death,
Speaker 1: was being built. The former house was by the dirt
Speaker 1: road that Nazi had pointed out during the family's first
Speaker 1: visit to the previous town, and a cave was also
Speaker 1: at the end of it, just as Nazi had said.
Speaker 1: If the families in this case are remembering events correctly,
Speaker 1: then Nazi's statements are very difficult to explain by normal means.
Speaker 1: His spontaneous recognitions of the locations of the two houses
Speaker 1: that the previous personality had owned are quite impressive by themselves,
Speaker 1: adding his ability to correctly point out the previous Personalities
Speaker 1: first house makes coincidence seem an unlikely explanation. On top
Speaker 1: of these, his statement to Fawad's family about the various
Speaker 1: small details are also notable. His statement about the Chechi
Speaker 1: sixteen pistol is particularly impressive in a number of ways,
Speaker 1: one being that this knowledge could not have arisen from
Speaker 1: any environmental cues. His ability to state the names of
Speaker 1: the men in the picture is more impressive than cases
Speaker 1: in which a child simply points to a member of
Speaker 1: the previous Personalities family, since environmental cues would not lead
Speaker 1: him to know the names that he gave. The informants
Speaker 1: stated that Nazi had not seen pictures of the previous
Speaker 1: personality before he identified him in the photograph, and Sheikh
Speaker 1: Adeeb was certain that, with the possible exception of his wife,
Speaker 1: no one knew that Fuad had given him a CHECKI
Speaker 1: sixteen pistol. I think you'll find this interesting too. Subjects
Speaker 1: in other cases have described experiences in another realm during
Speaker 1: the interval between death and rebirth. A boy named Lee
Speaker 1: said that he remembered deciding to be reborn. He said
Speaker 1: that other beings helped him with his decision to come
Speaker 1: down to earth. He also said that his previous mother
Speaker 1: was prettier than his current one, who accepted the comparison
Speaker 1: with good humor. One boy said that he floated up
Speaker 1: after dying, and he talked about being in heaven where
Speaker 1: he saw God as well as the animals. Another boy,
Speaker 1: who picked his grandfather out of a grammar school class picture,
Speaker 1: also talked of seeing God. He said God gave him
Speaker 1: a card to come back from heaven, and as he
Speaker 1: described it, it looked like a business card with green
Speaker 1: arrows on it. Along this rather fanciful sounding detail, he
Speaker 1: said that his body shot up to heaven when he died,
Speaker 1: and that someone else died at the same time he had.
Speaker 1: In addition, he talked about seeing his uncle Phil in heaven.
Speaker 1: His grandfather's best friend was the husband of his wife's sister,
Speaker 1: and the grandfather called him Uncle Phil. This boy meanted
Speaker 1: that in his previous life he had made Uncle Phil's
Speaker 1: feet hot. His grandfather and Uncle Phil enjoyed playing pranks
Speaker 1: on each other, and his grandfather would give Phil a
Speaker 1: hot foot by warming his shoes before Phil put them on. Similarly,
Speaker 1: Patrick Christiansen, with three birthmarks that matched lesions on his
Speaker 1: deceased half brother, spoke of talking in heaven with a
Speaker 1: relative named Billy the Pirate, who he said told him
Speaker 1: about being shot at close range and dying while up
Speaker 1: in the mountains. Patrick's mother reported that she had never
Speaker 1: heard of such a relative, but when she called her
Speaker 1: mother to ask about Patrick's statements, she learned that a
Speaker 1: cousin with the nickname Billy the Pirate had in fact
Speaker 1: died this way. Other particularly vivid descriptions of another realm
Speaker 1: include of a girl named Disna, a girl in Sri
Speaker 1: Lanka who made numerous statements about the life of an
Speaker 1: elderly woman who died in a village three miles away.
Speaker 1: She described being lifted up even though her body was buried,
Speaker 1: she felt like she was flying like a bird. She
Speaker 1: talked about meeting a king or a governor whose reddish
Speaker 1: clothes and beautiful pointed shoes were never taken off, never dirty,
Speaker 1: and never washed. The same was true for her own clothes,
Speaker 1: except that they were golden. She said that she played
Speaker 1: at the king's house, which was made of glass and
Speaker 1: had beautiful red beds. She said that when she got
Speaker 1: hungry there, she simply thought of food, and it appeared
Speaker 1: the sight of the food satisfied her appetite, so she
Speaker 1: did not need to eat it. She said that the
Speaker 1: king took her to the home of her new family
Speaker 1: after asking her to go there. Another child who made
Speaker 1: similar statements in India talked about the life of a
Speaker 1: woman in a city two hundred and twenty miles away.
Speaker 1: She reported that, after a fatal fall from a balcony,
Speaker 1: I went up. There was a baba, a holy man
Speaker 1: with a long beard. They checked my record and said
Speaker 1: send her back. There were some nice rooms there. I
Speaker 1: have seen God's house. It is very nice, and you
Speaker 1: do not get to know everything that is there, oh
Speaker 1: through the mouth of babes. Don't you just love these stories?
Speaker 1: Kids are just so natural and say things just as
Speaker 1: they are. Have you started thinking that there's more to
Speaker 1: life than meets the eye, and there's more to you
Speaker 1: than you know. I don't know if we will ever
Speaker 1: learn all the knowledge there is to learn, but it
Speaker 1: sure is exciting hearing some of these stories. Now, when
Speaker 1: we get back from our break, you've heard of child prodigies, right,
Speaker 1: little kids who can play piano or do magnificent things
Speaker 1: beyond their years. Is it possible that a child prodigy
Speaker 1: is having a memory of someone from a previous life?
Speaker 1: A very exciting thing to think about, isn't it. So
Speaker 1: let's take our last break, and when we come back,
Speaker 1: we will hear more for sure. You're listening to Shades
Speaker 1: of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast,
Speaker 1: a paranormal podcast network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.
Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain. If you are enjoyed this conversation, I
Speaker 1: wholeheartedly recommend that you go to the website Jim Btucker
Speaker 1: dot com and also get a copy of his book.
Speaker 1: It's called Before Children's Memories of Previous Lives and it
Speaker 1: includes two volumes, both his book Life Before Life and
Speaker 1: Return to Life. I'd like to continue on with some
Speaker 1: words from doctor Tucker. Before the last story, he has
Speaker 1: a section called does Everybody Reincarnate? When we see evidence
Speaker 1: for reincarnation, one reaction is to think about how it
Speaker 1: could affect us individually. Clearly, we would all love the
Speaker 1: opportunity to see our deceased loved ones. Again. Unfortunately, we
Speaker 1: must remember that what is true about the children who
Speaker 1: report past life memories may not be true for the
Speaker 1: rest of us. They may be a unique group, and
Speaker 1: even if they have reincarnated, no one else may have.
Speaker 1: For instance, they may have had issues that kept them
Speaker 1: connected to their earthly experiences so that they came back
Speaker 1: while others do not. As I discussed earlier, seventy percent
Speaker 1: of the previous personalities died by unnatural means in cases
Speaker 1: where the mode of death is known, and of course
Speaker 1: a number of those dying by natural means died suddenly
Speaker 1: as well. This suggests that a violent or sudden death
Speaker 1: is much more likely to produce a future case of
Speaker 1: a child with past life memories than other types of deaths.
Speaker 1: Such a death may be one factor that can cause
Speaker 1: our subjects to have a connection to the earth and
Speaker 1: lead them to be exceptions to the normal state of affairs.
Speaker 1: After death, the consciousness may typically blend into a larger
Speaker 1: universal consciousness or go off to another realm of existence,
Speaker 1: Heaven for example. For all we you know, the traditional
Speaker 1: Judeo Christian views of life after death may be correct.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, reincarnation may normally occur but without
Speaker 1: memories coming from the previous life. In that case, we
Speaker 1: may all have had previous lives, even though most of
Speaker 1: us do not remember them. If this is true, then
Speaker 1: the usual process may get disrupted, either by a factor
Speaker 1: in the previous life, like an unexpected death, or by
Speaker 1: some factor in the next life. This may lead some
Speaker 1: memories to be present in the next life, and therefore,
Speaker 1: even though everyone may reincarnate, our cases are unusual because
Speaker 1: of the presence of the memories. The cases do not
Speaker 1: answer which possibility is more likely, even though they indicate
Speaker 1: that reincarnation occurs in some circumstances. Although we would all
Speaker 1: like to see our deceased loved ones return to us,
Speaker 1: or to return ourselves to our children or grandchildren after
Speaker 1: our deaths, these cases do not answer the question of
Speaker 1: whether reincarnation is universal. They provide evidence that we can
Speaker 1: reincarnate at least under certain circumstances, which is certainly a
Speaker 1: significant finding, but they do not indicate if all of
Speaker 1: us actually do. Even if we all do reincarnate, the
Speaker 1: patterns we see in the cases with memories may not
Speaker 1: apply to the rest of us. The type of death
Speaker 1: or some other factor might change the normal process to
Speaker 1: produce patterns that could go along with the enduring memories.
Speaker 1: For instance, the children who have had past life memories
Speaker 1: may be more connected to a certain location than others
Speaker 1: would be. These children tend to reincarnate close to where
Speaker 1: the previous personality lived, Yet others who reincarnate without memories
Speaker 1: may not similarly be constrained. Likewise, the children who describe
Speaker 1: staying in one location for years between line may not
Speaker 1: be typical of all who reincarnate. We should remember that
Speaker 1: other differences could occur as well, between the cases of
Speaker 1: children who have past life memories and any others who
Speaker 1: reincarnate without such memories. The great inventor Henry Ford once said,
Speaker 1: I adopted the theory of reincarnation when I was twenty six.
Speaker 1: Genius is experience. Some seem to think that it is
Speaker 1: a gift or a talent, but actually it is the
Speaker 1: fruit of a long experience in many lives. While that
Speaker 1: being said, let's go on to our last story. This
Speaker 1: next case is most notable for the child's behavior and abilities.
Speaker 1: I first heard from his father when the boy was three.
Speaker 1: He reported that his son Hunter had received a set
Speaker 1: of plastic golf clubs when he turned two. He loved
Speaker 1: the clubs and played with them incessantly. A few months later,
Speaker 1: his father was running through the television channels when he
Speaker 1: passed the golf channel. Neither of Hunter's parents played golf,
Speaker 1: and his father hadn't even known the family had the
Speaker 1: golf channel, but once Hunter saw it, he told his
Speaker 1: parents to go back to it. From then on, he
Speaker 1: had no interest in children's shows and wanted to watch
Speaker 1: nothing but the golf channel. His parents had to limit
Speaker 1: him to thirty minutes in the morning and thirty minutes
Speaker 1: again at night. One day, there was an infomercial about
Speaker 1: Bobby Jones, a famous golfer in the nineteen twenties whose
Speaker 1: name is now used by a company that makes golf
Speaker 1: equipment and accessories. When Hunter saw the program, he told
Speaker 1: his parents that he had been Bobby Jones when he
Speaker 1: was big. He said this repeatedly, and when someone would
Speaker 1: ask him what his name was, he would say Bobby Jones.
Speaker 1: He wanted to be called Bobby and would correct people
Speaker 1: if they called him Hunter. He would also correct them
Speaker 1: if they called him Tiger or any other name. He
Speaker 1: knew of Tiger Woods and the other golfers from the
Speaker 1: Golf Channel, and although he liked them all, he was
Speaker 1: much more passionate about Bobby Jones. His parents initially laughed
Speaker 1: at him. They were both raised Christian. His father had
Speaker 1: read some about Buddhism, however, and was intrigued by the
Speaker 1: idea of rebirth. He decided to test Hunter. He showed
Speaker 1: Hunter pictures of six golfers from the nineteen twenties and
Speaker 1: asked him which one was Bobby Jones. Hunter pointed at
Speaker 1: the picture of Bobby Jones and said, this is me.
Speaker 1: That might not sound so surprising, but then he pointed
Speaker 1: to the picture of another golfer, Harry Varden. Hunter said,
Speaker 1: this is Harry Garden, my friend. Hunter's father printed pictures
Speaker 1: off the Internet of several houses, including Bobby Jones's childhood home.
Speaker 1: When he showed them to Hunter, he said, how house
Speaker 1: as he pointed to each picture until he got to
Speaker 1: Bobby Jones's home. He suddenly appeared wistful as he said home.
Speaker 1: His dad knew that Hunter had not seen either Harry
Speaker 1: Varden or Bobby Jones's childhood home before, so he was shocked.
Speaker 1: Hunter would take his little golf clubs wherever he went.
Speaker 1: When he practiced at the beach. He would call it
Speaker 1: the Samtrap. Golfers would see him practicing and comment on
Speaker 1: what a great swing he had. His parents gave him
Speaker 1: a set of real golf clubs for Christmas, and he
Speaker 1: then began taking lessons at a golf club. The usual
Speaker 1: starting age for lessons was five, but when the staff
Speaker 1: saw Hunter's swing, they accepted him while he was still
Speaker 1: two years old. His instructor called him a golf prodigy.
Speaker 1: Several older golfers commented that Hunter's swing reminded them of
Speaker 1: Bobby Jones. When was three, his mother was putting him
Speaker 1: to bed one night. As they talked about him being
Speaker 1: his parents child, he said, just like my child. When
Speaker 1: his mother asked him his child's name, Hunter said, Bobby Jones.
Speaker 1: He was my son. Bobby Jones did indeed have a
Speaker 1: son named after him, Robert Jones the third, and he
Speaker 1: was referred to as young Bobby. When I got the
Speaker 1: report from Hunter's father, I quickly asked about visiting the family.
Speaker 1: His parents were agreeable to a meeting, and we soon
Speaker 1: worked out a time for me to visit them at
Speaker 1: their home in sunny southern California. Hunter's parents were very
Speaker 1: pleasant and cooperative and Hunter, a few months past his
Speaker 1: third birthday, was very cute. I brought along some pictures
Speaker 1: of Bobby Jones with other golfers, but I wasn't able
Speaker 1: to get Hunter engaged enough in looking at them to
Speaker 1: give me any feedback. We finished out in the yard
Speaker 1: as I watched Hunter hitting golf balls into an net.
Speaker 1: Even if the visit didn't produce any new information, it
Speaker 1: was useful in that it gave me the chance to
Speaker 1: review the history with Hunter's parents and to see that
Speaker 1: they came across as reasonable, responsible people. I received an
Speaker 1: update from Hunter's father a year later. Hunter had said
Speaker 1: very little in the interim about Bobby Jones or any memories,
Speaker 1: but he did remain obsessed with golf. Not only did
Speaker 1: he enjoy playing it, he would also spend time at
Speaker 1: night designing golf courses with his blankets, which he would
Speaker 1: then show to his parents. His favorite real course was
Speaker 1: Augusta National, home of the Master's Tournament. Bobby Jones founded
Speaker 1: the Augusta National Golf Club and helped design that course.
Speaker 1: After another year passed, Hunter's father sent me a video
Speaker 1: of Hunter playing golf. Although I'm not a golfer, even
Speaker 1: I could tell he was exceptional. It was hard to
Speaker 1: believe that this smooth swing was coming from a five
Speaker 1: year old. Hunter is now seven. At last count, he
Speaker 1: had won forty one out of fifty junior golf tournaments,
Speaker 1: including twenty one in a row. It's a pretty great story,
Speaker 1: isn't it. Hunter is not this boy's real name to
Speaker 1: keep his identity private. Just for kicks. I looked on
Speaker 1: YouTube for child golf prodigy and there's a video of
Speaker 1: a three year old boy that's amazing. Now, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that this is the same boy as in the story,
Speaker 1: but I think you will find what you see fascinating.
Speaker 1: So if you want to go to YouTube, it's titled
Speaker 1: is this three year old golf Prodigy in the next
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods? These stories give us something to really think about,
Speaker 1: don't they. Regardless of if reincarnation is real or how
Speaker 1: it works, I think we can both agree that this
Speaker 1: points to the reality of the afterlife. I hope you've
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