1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Topics featured in this episode may be disturbing to some listeners. 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: Please take care while listening. 3 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 2: My husband and I were opening a business. His first 4 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 2: job was that very next day. One of the clients 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 2: had asked if they could bendmo him, so he'd called 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: me that morning September twenty ninth, twenty twenty one. He 7 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: was like, I need you to set up my business venmo, 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 2: and I was like, all right, use your name and 9 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 2: password for whatever email is connected to your venmo. So 10 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: he sent me the log in for his iCloud and 11 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: as I'm signing in, he frantically calls me back. He 12 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: was like, Oh, don't worry about it, we'll do it 13 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: together when we get home. Like, I'm sorry, it's going 14 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 2: to be too much, Like, don't do it. I knew 15 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: by the tenor of his voice that he was trying 16 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: to hide something. I thought maybe he bought something they 17 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: didn't want me to know about. There was nothing in 18 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: his photos, and then I scrolled down and that's when 19 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: I saw a hidden folder and I opened it. 20 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 3: You know, when you open your photos, it's going to 21 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 3: show you like a whole bunch of them. At once. 22 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 3: I slammed my computer shut. What the hell did I 23 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 3: just see? 24 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 2: I'm like, no, there's no way I saw that. My 25 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 2: first reaction was like, that was disgusting. 26 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 3: I need a shower. 27 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: I need to get that off of me. Unfortunately, you 28 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 2: can't scrub that out of your brain. When I was 29 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: in the shower, I said the most heartfelt prayer I 30 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 2: think I've ever said in my life. I was like, God, 31 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 2: something's wrong. Whatever you're about to hand to me, I'm ready. 32 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: I can do this. God, I'm ready for you. 33 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: I'm Andrea Gunning. This is Betrayal, Season two, Episode one Hidden. 34 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,399 Speaker 1: When we set out to make season one, our goal 35 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: was simple. If we could help make one person feel 36 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: less alone, then we did our job. And the responses 37 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: we got from you guys, it was overwhelming. Thank you 38 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: all for sharing your thoughts and feelings. We value them 39 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: so much. In addition to feedback, we also heard from 40 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: people wanting to share their story. Some of them were heartbreaking, 41 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: some were inspiring. We received hundreds of emails, and several 42 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: of them revealed a betrayal that nobody wants to talk about. 43 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: I was surprised to see this issue reappear in email 44 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: after email. Would I be able to take this subject on. 45 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: I was nervous, but it was something I could not ignore, 46 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: especially since there was this one email I could not 47 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: stop thinking about. It was from the woman you just 48 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: heard that slammed her computer shut. She's based in Utah, 49 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,399 Speaker 1: and in the winter of twenty twenty two, I flew 50 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: out to meet her. It was late when I landed 51 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: in Salt Lake and the roads were empty. It was 52 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: a twenty minute drive to the place we were staying. 53 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: It was dark. Looking out into the sky, there was 54 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: an outline that almost split the sky into two, two 55 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: black shapes gently resting against one another. What was that? 56 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: At first I didn't know what it was. They were 57 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: the Wasatch Mountains. It was breathtaking. I had never been 58 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: to Utah, and the mountains that surrounded me seeing the 59 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: best of nature. It provided a sense of comfort, almost 60 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: like a hug, almost as if the sky was saying, welcome, 61 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: You're safe here. The mountains were keeping watch. Despite the 62 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: sense of safety and the beauty, I was guarded, thinking 63 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: of what lies beneath. I was there to cover a story, 64 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: a story born in the darkness, the shadows, a story 65 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: about betrayal, invasion, and really the worst parts of humanity. 66 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: It's a story of Ashley Lytton, a mother of three 67 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: who lives in a town called Riverton, twenty five minutes 68 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: south of Salt Lake City. 69 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 2: I grew up in West Valley City, Utah. It's a 70 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: suburb of Salt Lake City, and it's known locally as 71 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 2: being just a little bit rougher, rougher crowds, tougher kids, 72 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: and growing up a lot of us kids kind of 73 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 2: just around the streets because her parents worked a lot. 74 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 2: When I was a child, my mom got sick. She 75 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 2: has multiple sclerosis. My mom wasn't like super mobile. Instead 76 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 2: of like being a kid and being ten and like 77 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 2: playing at recess, that wasn't an option. The only option 78 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: was to go home and check a mom, make sure 79 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: she was okay. 80 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: Eventually, her mom needed more support. 81 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: My mom at this point was no longer in her home, 82 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 2: and my dad worked tonights, and so I took care 83 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 2: of my little brother and sister, got them breakfast, and 84 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 2: I'd walk them to school every day, and then i'd 85 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 2: co to junior High. 86 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: Just meeting with Ashley, I got the sense that she 87 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: was someone who had to grow up quickly. She put 88 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: her family's needs ahead of her own, she helped raise 89 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: her two younger siblings, managed a household. There was never 90 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: a question. Ashley just did what needed to be done. 91 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: Ashley's dad, John Trehillo, as. 92 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 4: She's spinn the caregiver, and still more caregiver than all 93 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 4: the kids, as she's been the caregiver from day one. 94 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: She told me that her only escape from all of 95 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: that responsibility was a boy she met at school. 96 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 3: I met Matt in seventh grade. 97 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 2: He was handsome and all the girls liked him, and 98 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 2: he just happened to notice me too. I wrote in 99 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 2: my journal the first day that I found out what 100 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,119 Speaker 2: his name was, met the man I'm going to marry today, 101 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: And then I wrote his name on your book day 102 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: that year. This is gonna totally age me, but in 103 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: my yearbook he said, hey, give me a call some time, 104 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: gave me his number, and then he put ps, you're 105 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: pretty fly, and I was. 106 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: Like, oh my god, he thinks I'm fly. 107 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 2: I didn't even know what that meant, but I just 108 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 2: knew that it meant something like super cool. 109 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: We all know this kid wild, unpredictable. 110 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 2: I'd see him, you know, getting in trouble all the time, 111 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 2: and I don't know I just I think I really 112 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 2: admired like how brave he was. It sounds brave, but 113 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 2: really it was probably reckless and stupid. 114 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: Matt wasn't exactly faithful to Ashley. Bad boys rarely are. 115 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 2: It was not an awesome relationship, and so I kind 116 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: of made traits with it more than anything else. It 117 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: was transactional. I guess I'd get rid of my respect 118 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: to have a safe place to go outside of my home. 119 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: They were kids at first, but stay together for more 120 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: than ten years, and during that time, drugs became the 121 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: third partner in their relationship. 122 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 2: He really started struggling with addiction when we were like 123 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 2: fifteen or sixteen. That's when he started like painkillers, ecstasy, 124 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: and I had never even really seen marijuana at that 125 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 2: point in my life. 126 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: The drug addiction continued into adulthood, and so did their relationship. 127 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: They still felt like kids, but they had a girl fast. 128 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: I got pregnant with a vea when I was twenty 129 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: and she was not planned. So that was interesting because 130 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: I didn't want kids and I was using contraceptives and 131 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 2: it just still happened. 132 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: Three years later, a son came along, Ashley stepped up 133 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: to the plate determined to take care of her kids. 134 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: Ashley's sister Anna. 135 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 5: She tried to be a devoted partner and he just 136 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 5: wasn't that person. He wasn't ready to be a father, 137 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 5: and the resulted in a lot of dysfunction and instability 138 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 5: that my sister did a really good job trying to 139 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 5: shield the children from. 140 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 2: He would settle down for months on end, but never 141 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 2: like super consistent. But I was like, maybe this will 142 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 2: be it, you know, because I saw so much potential 143 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: in him, and I just thought he was meant for 144 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: so much more than what he was doing. 145 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: Then Matt disappeared on a three day bender. 146 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: I just knew that I was done, So I took 147 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 2: his shit and dumped it on his brother. His brother 148 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 2: spront Lawn like a crazy lady, and I left him. 149 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: I had to because of his addiction. I was like, 150 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: I need to give these kids a chance. 151 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: Ashley spent her whole life prioritizing others. Leaving Matt meant 152 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: she needed to come first. Leaving a relationship where you're 153 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: so emotionally invested in your partner so young can be scary, 154 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: but she did it. She got herself out of an 155 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: unhealthy relationship and went to work for herself and for 156 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: her two kids. She took a waitressing job and hustled. 157 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:36,599 Speaker 1: She was finding independence. While in the job. One customer 158 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: kept coming in over and over. 159 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: So one day I'm at work and I saw him 160 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 2: and he smiled at me. 161 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: He was Jason Linton, and he looked familiar. 162 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: I recognized him at that point because my sister went 163 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 2: to high school with him, and I thought he was 164 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: GTL I was like, oh, this idiot, Ashley. 165 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: I remembered him being such a meadhead. But he was undeterred. 166 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: He made a point of coming into Ashley's workplace often. 167 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 3: He was flirty with me, and he'd come in like 168 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 3: two or three times a week. He'd always get a shake, 169 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 3: a chocolate shake, but. 170 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 2: I'd give him like an extra large shake, but I'd 171 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 2: only charge him for small. 172 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 3: Everyone at work always were like, oh, hey, ash your 173 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 3: shake boyfriends here. 174 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: Ashley was surprised when Jason changed jobs and started working 175 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: at the same restaurant and she was assigned to train him. 176 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 2: We're sitting there and he kept trying to like talk 177 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 2: to me while I was training him, and I was like, 178 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 2: what do you want to know about me? 179 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 3: I like to work and be a mom. What do 180 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 3: you like to do? 181 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 2: And I was kind of being an asshole because I 182 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: wanted to get past this and train him and get 183 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 2: it done out with. 184 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: Jason was determined to impress. 185 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 3: Her, and he's like, well, I can sing, and I'm like, 186 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 3: you can sing? 187 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 2: And I'm not a mean girl, but I was going 188 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 2: to shut this down real quick, so I was like, 189 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 2: all right, let's see what you can do. Took him 190 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 2: in the back friends with all the cooks and all 191 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 2: the waitresses, and I was. 192 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 3: Like, hey, everyone can reckon this. New guy says he 193 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 3: can sing. What did he say? Rascal Flat song, God 194 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 3: Bless the Broken Road or something. 195 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: It's a song about broken paths leading you to your future. Soulmate. 196 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: Ashley certainly had a broken road. She could relate the 197 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: lyrics look back on decisions made things not working out 198 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: but inevitably for the better. And it struck a chord 199 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: and Jason could really sing it. 200 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 3: My jaw was on the floor and I was like, okay, 201 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 3: I'll have lunch with you here. 202 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: After the shift, Ashley started to look at Jason differently. 203 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: He wasn't the goofy guy his sister knew in high school. Anymore. 204 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 3: He was serious. 205 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: It was also fun, sweet and talented. He could sing 206 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: and had a great sense of humor. 207 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 4: It was pretty quick that we met him. 208 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 3: I thought, Wow, she just found a good guy, real respectful, 209 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 3: very mannerally. 210 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 2: He was like night schiming armor. I was like, here's 211 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 2: this normal dude that wants to be with me. Like 212 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 2: what I even told. 213 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 3: Jason when we first dating, I'm like, you're crazy, Like 214 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 3: what are you doing? 215 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 2: You are handsome, you are young, I have baggage, I 216 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 2: have debt, I have a crazy ex, you know, like 217 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: I had all this stuff. 218 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 3: And he is like, no, I'm gonna stay. I'll take 219 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 3: a chance on you. And I thought how lucky I was. 220 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 3: And my family told me how lucky I was. 221 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,599 Speaker 4: My name is Kathy Trihio and I am Ashley's stepmom. 222 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 4: I love Jason. You could just see how nice and 223 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 4: kind he was to her. He's really funny. He has 224 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 4: a really great personality, can cut up the room pretty 225 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 4: quick with laughter and jokes. 226 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 2: If we're comparing my old relationship to this relationship, Jason 227 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: was normal. Jason came from a good family. He was charming, 228 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 2: he was kind, he was a hard worker. 229 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 3: You wouldn't meant a person that didn't like Jason. 230 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: The sweetest part was how much he seemed to love 231 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: Ashley's children. 232 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 4: He was really super good with her kids. 233 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: Her daughter, Avea was only two when Ashley met Jason. 234 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: Her son was still a baby. 235 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: It was so natural and they loved him and my son. 236 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 2: He did all of his firsts in front of Jason, 237 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 2: his first words, first time crawling, first time walking, first 238 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 2: time giggling. 239 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 4: I think Avea was probably like five when they got married. 240 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: The wedding was August twelfth, twenty eleven, and they eventually 241 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 1: had a child together, a daughter. 242 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 4: And it just seemed to make their family complete. 243 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 2: We moved to Riverton. I hate to use the word bougie, 244 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 2: but it is more bougie than West Valley. And you know, 245 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 2: ten fifteen years ago before we moved out here, that 246 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 2: was a big deal. 247 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 3: It was cleaner, it looked safer. 248 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: The house, a good school, district, safety, a promising future. 249 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: She had achieved her dream. I met Ashley at our 250 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 1: house in Riverton. She was finishing work. 251 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 3: So, yeah, this is our living room. 252 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: Your house is adorable. It's so homey. 253 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 3: Thank you. 254 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun. The kitties stay away from it. Now, 255 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 2: we had no no kitty spread, just like, put the 256 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 2: spray bottle right there and they're like. 257 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: The first thing I noticed about Ashley is how full 258 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: of life she is and how dedicated she is to 259 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: her three children. Oh and she's also really short and 260 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: always has heels. 261 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 2: On a typical day in our household was insanely busy. 262 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 2: Avea played competitive soccer and had practice for two hours. 263 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: My son played little league football, and then my youngest 264 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 2: danced and had to go to dance once or twice 265 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: a week as well. So I spent the majority of 266 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 2: my days being a taxi driver for two hours. I'm 267 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 2: a free taxi. That's what I call it. I'm a 268 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 2: free taxi. 269 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: Ashley and Jason have been married for eleven years. The 270 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: two little ones she had when she first met Jason 271 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: they're teenagers now, and the baby they had together is nine. Aveya, 272 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: her oldest, has a driver's license and a job. All 273 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: marriages have ups and downs. They've struggled making ends meet. 274 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: Mortgage payments were almost missed, but this new business they 275 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: were launching was going to be a game changer. 276 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 4: Park City is a very well established, very rich area 277 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 4: of Utah. 278 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 3: I mean your movie stars hang out up there. 279 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: It's also a ski resort town, only about forty miles 280 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: from Riverton. Jason would have a lot of business opportunity 281 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: in Park City. 282 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 4: He had a lot of work up there. He was 283 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 4: working on three and four million dollar homes. 284 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: Jason's former employer, Steve Ihausen, was selling Jason and another 285 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: contractor his business. 286 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 6: He's very personable. The contractors especially really liked him because 287 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 6: he was very organized and was able to talk with 288 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 6: the customers and kind of show them what needed to 289 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 6: be done. 290 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: It was all starting the next day. Jason just needed 291 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: to set up a business Vemo account, and he asked 292 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: Ashley for assistance. 293 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 2: I knew by the tenor of his voice that he 294 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 2: was trying to hide something. 295 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 3: There was nothing in his photos. 296 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 2: And then I scrolled down and that's when I saw 297 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 2: a hidden folder and I opened. It plays like slow 298 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 2: motion in my brain when I think about it. You know, 299 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 2: when you first pull up your photos, it gives you 300 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: I don't however, many like thirty photos or something, you know, 301 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 2: and it gives you like little squares, so you can't 302 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 2: really see unless you click on it. But those little 303 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 2: squares I could tell weren't women. I think my brain 304 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 2: went to what I could recognize, like what made sense, 305 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 2: and so I went to what I thought. 306 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 3: Was explicit adult photos. 307 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 2: So I saw the adult and then I saw that 308 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 2: this adult woman's face was superimposed on a female child's 309 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 2: nude body. 310 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: Did you ever see something and think this isn't real? 311 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: It can't be real. It was too disturbing for words, 312 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: Why would her husband have this? 313 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 2: I clicked on one or two and screenshot at it 314 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 2: real quick, and then instantly slam it shut. 315 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: What was all of this? She thought about Jason, her husband. Yes, 316 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,719 Speaker 1: there were problems. This was not a fairy tale marriage. 317 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: He was far from perfect, but he wasn't this kind 318 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: of person. He wouldn't look at material like this. This 319 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: was criminal. Ashley knew she needed support quickly. Even with 320 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: what she had just seen, she didn't completely trust herself, 321 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: so she facetimed her younger sister Anna. 322 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 2: For some reason, in my brain, even though my subconscious 323 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 2: knew it, my brain could not comprehend it, and I 324 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 2: was like, no, you need to call Anne. 325 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: Anna had a similar reaction. 326 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 5: I remember just feeling like, what the fuck am I 327 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 5: looking at? 328 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: Anna tried to see the photos through the phone. At 329 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: the same time she was looking at Ashley. 330 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 5: I just remember her gasping and putting her hands to 331 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 5: her face. She just kind of lost her shit. She 332 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 5: started hyperventilating. 333 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: Ashley works at home a few days a week. Jason 334 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: knew she'd be there, and his intuition started kicking it. 335 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 2: He just started calling out the hook and texting me 336 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 2: and I wouldn't respond. So I was scared because I 337 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 2: knew he was coming home. 338 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: Jason sounded anxious when they spoke, and now he was 339 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: calling and texting with a frenzied energy. 340 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 5: She started going into this really weird dark place where 341 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 5: she was like, oh my god, I got to get 342 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 5: out of the house. He's going to come back here. 343 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 5: He's going to find out that I've seen this. He's 344 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 5: going to come kill me. 345 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: Her mind immediately went to another well known case in 346 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: Salt Lake City where a husband kept secrets from his wife. 347 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 3: My first thought was Mark Hacking and Laurie Hacking. 348 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: In two thousand and four, the Hacking case made international 349 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: news and dominated the front page of Utah newspapers. Young 350 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 1: pregnant woman Laurie Hacking discovered that her husband had lied 351 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: about his education. As they were preparing to move across 352 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: the country from Mark to attend medical school, Laurie also 353 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: learned he had never been admitted. 354 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 2: And instead of being exposed, he killed her and they 355 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 2: had to look for her body in the landfill. I 356 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 2: instantly was terrified, and I was like, he's going to 357 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 2: kill me. 358 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: Neither Anna nor Ashley knew exactly what to do next. 359 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 2: And it's like, oh my gosh, I can't see it 360 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 2: really well, but from what I think I can see, 361 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: you need to go show Kathy. Kathy, she works at 362 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 2: the Department of Corrections for the State of Utah and 363 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 2: specifically has to deal with a lot of correspondents from 364 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 2: inmates in and out of the prison. 365 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: Her stepmom, Kathy would certainly recognize the content in the 366 00:20:58,400 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: hidden file. 367 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 5: She was at the state prison. It's probably like a 368 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 5: twenty minute drive from Ashley. I wanted her to go 369 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 5: see her, to see if the images were as bad 370 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 5: as we thought they were. She's been around some bad people, 371 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 5: you know, and we trust her. 372 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 4: And I got a phone call from Ashley's sister Anna 373 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 4: and she said, Hey, there's something really bad going on. 374 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 4: Ashley is headed your way. She needs help, okay. So 375 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 4: I went out in front of my building to look 376 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 4: out the window, and I seen her car pull in. 377 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 4: She said she'd seen images on Jason's phone, so I 378 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 4: wasn't sure what we were talking about. I just assumed 379 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 4: maybe it was having an affair or something. I knew 380 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 4: it was something, probably not great. But I went out 381 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 4: and she got out of the car and she was 382 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 4: walking towards me and Ashley's little She wasn't able to 383 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 4: hold herself up really well, and so I just grabbed 384 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 4: a hold of her and was hugging her and holding her. 385 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 4: We got back in her car and she showed me 386 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 4: a screenshot of it. I said, oh my god, he's 387 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 4: in so much freaking trouble. And we're back and forth crying, 388 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 4: both crying so hard because those girls were too young. 389 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 4: I'm not a age expert, but I do work at 390 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 4: the prison and sometimes people send inmates pictures that they're 391 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 4: not allowed to have, and I knew those girls were 392 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 4: too young. 393 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: What happened next might be hard to understand unless you've 394 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: been in this situation. You know you're sitting on a 395 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: ticking time bomb. You have information that will blow up 396 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: your life. As you know, it, and you want some 397 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: control over how and when it will explode. Ashley had 398 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: someone in mind to help. 399 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 2: Send's older brothers, a police officer or one of the 400 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 2: bigger police departments here in Salt Lake, and I trust him. 401 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: Anna was concerned that Ashley's brother in law would be 402 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: a brother before a police officer. 403 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 5: I thought it was a terrible idea. It's a huge 404 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 5: conflict of interest. They were both convinced that he would 405 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 5: do the right thing. I don't want to like bash 406 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 5: his character or anything, but that's his brother, you know. 407 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 4: She was reluctant. She was like, I don't know, I 408 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 4: don't know if I should call him. And I said, no, 409 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 4: he's going to help us. He's going to help you. 410 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 4: He's he's a good man, he knows the right thing, 411 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 4: he knows what to do. 412 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: He'll help you. She thought of their kids, their home, 413 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: and their family. This was going to fundamentally change everything. 414 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 2: I knew something was going to come of whatever just 415 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 2: happened over the last hour and a half of my life. 416 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: Like I knew that Ashley called her brother in law. 417 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 1: Everyone in the family trusted him. He was a police officer, 418 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 1: so it didn't feel as scary to talk to him, 419 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: he would know what to do. 420 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 2: I said, I need to show you something. It's an emergency. 421 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 2: I just found something and I need to show you. 422 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 2: I don't want to tell you over the phone. 423 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: They agreed to meet up right away at a local 424 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: grocery store. 425 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 2: I see his car, I pull on next to him, 426 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 2: and you know, we exchange pleasantries and I was physically shaking. 427 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 2: I remember feeling my body shaking. I pulled my phone 428 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 2: out and he glances at it and it was like, Oh, 429 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: I don't want anything to do with that, get it 430 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 2: away from me, don't show me again. 431 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 3: I'm like, what do I do with this? 432 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 4: Like? 433 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 3: What do I do? 434 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 2: And he's like, first of all, you need to calm down, 435 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 2: because we don't know what that is. Those girls are 436 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 2: probably eighteen, like barely eighteen, but they're probably eighteen. 437 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 3: Before you do anything. 438 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 2: Let's talk to Jay and we're going to figure this out, 439 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 2: because this is definitely not what it looks like. 440 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 3: Let's wait. 441 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: The reality was it was exactly what it looked like, 442 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 1: pre pubescent naked girls who had been posed in a 443 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: sexually provocative manner. 444 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 2: I was like, he totally just gaslped me. I wanted 445 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 2: to get away from him, and so I got in 446 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 2: my car. 447 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: The text from Jason kept coming in. We need to talk. 448 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: At least allow me to talk to you. Please don't 449 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: go talking with people until you have at least spoken 450 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: with me. Ash. Please come home and let's talk. Please 451 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: don't give up on me, Ash. I know I'm a 452 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: better person than this. I will get the help I 453 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: need and quit ignoring my issues. I want to do 454 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: right by my family and give you guys a life 455 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: that you deserve. What was there to say? How could 456 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: he possibly explain? 457 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,959 Speaker 2: I called my sister right when I left, and I 458 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 2: started crying and I can't breathe. I couldn't breathe. I 459 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 2: couldn't breathe. And then all of a sudden, like I 460 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 2: could feel I could feel my left side of my 461 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 2: face and like my shoulder in my arms, it just 462 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,360 Speaker 2: went numb. Everything went numb. And I was like, Ann, 463 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 2: I can't move my arm. I can't move my arm. 464 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 2: My heart hurts because my heart physically hurt, like I 465 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 2: had a pain in my chest and it went to 466 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 2: the back of my shoulder. I was like, I think 467 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 2: I'm having a heart attack, and then it snapped in 468 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 2: my brain I was like, the kids. They can't lose 469 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 2: both of us on the same day. And so I 470 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 2: was like, Ann, I'm going to go to the hospital. 471 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 2: And she was freaking out. She's like, don't want me 472 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 2: to call nine one to one, and I'm like, no, 473 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: I'm right down the street from the hospital. 474 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 1: Anna had been in this with Ashley almost from the 475 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: first moments. She was really scared. 476 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,479 Speaker 5: I told her I'm going to come to you just 477 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 5: go and get checked out. And my husband was home 478 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 5: and I went upstairs and I told him she's going 479 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 5: to the ARC. And I remember saying something like I 480 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 5: can't believe this is happening. How is this happening? And 481 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 5: he just gave me a hug and he said, you 482 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 5: gotta go. 483 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: Ashley is strong, resilient. She's a person who helps, not 484 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: a person who needs help. So I wasn't surprised when 485 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 1: I heard that she tried denying her own distress. 486 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 2: I parked my car like a normal person going to 487 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 2: a doctor's appointment. Walking in, I thought to myself, what 488 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 2: am I doing. There's really sick people here that really 489 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 2: need to be seen. And I went up to the 490 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 2: desk and this lady was super sweet and just happy, 491 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 2: and she's. 492 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 3: Like, what are you being seen for? And I just 493 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 3: lost it. 494 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 2: I sobbed so hard that there was no sound coming 495 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 2: out of me, and I just collapsed. 496 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 3: I remember hearing her being like. 497 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 2: We need a wheelchair, we need assistance of somebody came 498 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 2: over and kind of like grabbed me from underneath my 499 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 2: arms to pick me up and put me in a wheelchair. 500 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 2: I had my hands cupped over my eyes because I 501 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 2: was so embarrassed. I was like losing my bananas in 502 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 2: front of like all these people. 503 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 3: One of the nurses was wheeling me back and she's. 504 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: Like, oh, honey, it's gonna be okay, You're gonna be 505 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 2: just fine. We're gonna take care of you. You're gonna 506 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 2: be just fine. Anna, at that point had got there. 507 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 2: Her heart rate was at one eighty eight when she 508 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 2: got there. My heart rate doesn't even get up to 509 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,959 Speaker 2: one eighty eight when I'm like doing hardcore exercise, so 510 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 2: it was like incredibly high. I think they gave her 511 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 2: some medicine to calm down, and we just sat there 512 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 2: and cried together. I don't even remember what I told her. 513 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 2: I think I said I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. I 514 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 2: was not having a heart attack. Apparently that's what a 515 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 2: panic attack is. I had no idea that's what a 516 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 2: panic attack was. 517 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: Once the physical stress subsided, Ashley couldn't help but think 518 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: about the cost. 519 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 2: It dawned on me how expensive this was going to be, 520 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 2: and that now I knew I was going to lose 521 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 2: Jason's income. Like there was no if sounds about like 522 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 2: whatever it was. I knew that he was no longer 523 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 2: going to be a part of it, and so I 524 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 2: was like, no, we're not doing any more tests. 525 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 3: I'm fine. 526 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: Ashley's brother in law, the police officer, was working behind 527 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: the scenes and sent Ashley a text. 528 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 2: He's like, I'm meeting Jason right now and he's going 529 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,239 Speaker 2: to come to my house so he can give you 530 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 2: some space. I told my brother in law, I do 531 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 2: not want to speak to him. I don't want to 532 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 2: talk to him yet. Then he said, well, let's sleep 533 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 2: on it and figure out what to do. 534 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: She thought of her brother in law as her brother too, 535 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: but he wasn't. He was Jason's. It was clear in 536 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: that moment blood relations were going to matter starting now, 537 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: and Anna had enough. 538 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 5: I remember Lisa Michael, I'm like, there's nothing to fucking 539 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 5: talk through and I remember telling her he's not going 540 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 5: to report to ash He would have reported it by now. 541 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: Jason sent one more message. This one was a video. 542 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 7: I'm sorry, Ash, I've been really really working hard on myself, 543 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 7: but this is a cloud that sung over me. I 544 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 7: don't want to be about my family. I just love 545 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 7: you so much and I'm sorry. I'm just sorry. 546 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: His earlier tech said I will get the help I 547 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: need and quit ignoring my issues. Now. He said he 548 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: was working really really hard on himself, but it didn't matter. 549 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: Ashley never watched the video message. She didn't want to 550 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: hear it. 551 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 2: The anger started setting in for you know, all those 552 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 2: little girls I saw too. 553 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: Anna intervened when one of the nurses came in. 554 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 5: He was like, is there something we can do? Do 555 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 5: you need to speak to like a resource officer? And 556 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 5: I just remember cutting him off and I said, we 557 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 5: need to see a police officer. We need to report 558 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 5: a crime. 559 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: On this season of Betrayal, Ashley learns her husband is 560 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,239 Speaker 1: participating in a crime being perpetrated in every community in 561 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: our country. Finds out there's so much more. 562 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 4: Not only was there child pornography that had been downloaded 563 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 4: but there was also homemade videos. 564 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: And we'll meet other families who had no idea they 565 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: were living with a perpetrator. 566 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 4: I just started screaming, I just dropped hi my knees 567 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 4: and started screaming. 568 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: Betrayal of everything you value in your own home and community. 569 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: They broke down the front door at our house and 570 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: came in on him going through all his hard drives, 571 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: trying to delete stuff and learning that justice for a 572 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: felony isn't what you see on TV. 573 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 4: His crime of conviction carries a penalty of one to 574 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 4: fifteen years in the Utah State Prison. Did he get 575 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 4: that No. 576 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: On the next episode of Betrayal, Ashley and the police 577 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: concoct a plan to bring Jason into custody. 578 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 4: You have the retromentil anything to me. 579 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: Anything you say, cana, We'll be used to four. As 580 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: a disclaimer, Ashley told her story about her conversation with 581 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: Jason's older brother to police, and it was included as 582 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: part of the affidavit of probable cause that led to 583 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: Jason's arrest. His older brother's conduct as a police officer 584 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: was instigated by the authorities, and ultimately it was determined 585 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: that there was insufficient evidence of any violations of law 586 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: by him. If you would like to reach out to 587 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: the Betrayal team, email us at Betrayalpod at gmail dot com. 588 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: That's Betrayal Pod at gmail dot com. To report a 589 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: case of child sexual exploitation, called the National Center for 590 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: Missing and Exploited Children's cyber Tipline at one eight hundred 591 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: the Lost. If you or someone you know is worried 592 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: about their sexual thoughts and feelings towards children, reach out 593 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: to Stop it Now dot org. In the United Kingdom 594 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: go to stop it Now dot org dot UK. These 595 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: organizations can help. We're grateful for your support, and one 596 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: way to show support is by subscribing to our show 597 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: on Apple Podcasts and don't forget to rate and review Betrayal. 598 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: Five star reviews go a long way. A big thank 599 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: you to all of our listeners. 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