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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news.

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Speaker 2: Now, many including those that are wealthy, are concerned about

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Speaker 2: some of the priorities of incoming New York City mayor.

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Speaker 2: Mumdani now weighing on this was one billionaire who does

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Speaker 2: not call New York City home. We're talking about Citadel

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Speaker 2: founder Ken Griffin. He talked about the city yesterday at

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Speaker 2: a conference in Paris.

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Speaker 3: I think that New York City is a red flag

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Speaker 3: because people put aside good sense and common sense to

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Speaker 3: let somebody who is incredibly charismatic, who ran a really

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Speaker 3: powerful campaign on social media, but who ultimately doesn't have

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Speaker 3: the ability to deliver on the promises that he set forth.

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Speaker 3: New York took a big set back during the Deblasio days,

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Speaker 3: and I hope that Mandamie starts to think about how

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Speaker 3: to pivot to a more thoughtful set of policies that

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Speaker 3: will allow New York City to maintain its position. Not

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Speaker 3: only is one of the greatest cities in America, but

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Speaker 3: one of the greatest cities in the world.

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Speaker 2: And that, of course was Citadel founder Ken Griffin there

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Speaker 2: with Danny Berger of Bloomberg News. We want to get

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Speaker 2: into our guest, Kathy Wilde. She is president and CEO

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Speaker 2: outgoing president and CEO of the Partnership for New York City,

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Speaker 2: which represents much of the city's corporate leadership. So we're

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Speaker 2: talking about real estate developers, private equity firms, banks, many,

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Speaker 2: many companies. Bloomberg LP, by the way, is a member

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Speaker 2: of the Partnership for New York City. She is also

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Speaker 2: the part of New York City Mayor Elect Zeroon mum

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Speaker 2: Donnie's transition team, and we have a lot of questions

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Speaker 2: to ask her. Also with us is of course Bloomberg

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Speaker 2: News senior reporter Miles Miller, all of us here in studio.

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Speaker 2: I told you as you sat down that we have

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Speaker 2: about an hour of question So we're going to start

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Speaker 2: and Kep, we'll talk fast. We will talk fast. Why

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Speaker 2: did you want to be a part of the transition

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Speaker 2: team for the Mayor elect of New York City.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think to the point that Ken Griffin of

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Speaker 4: Citadel just made, and he's one of our members as well,

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Speaker 4: and is a great corporate citizen of New York and Miami.

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Speaker 4: He has he made the point about the concerns about

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Speaker 4: the high expectations that Mayor Elect mom Donnie gave to

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Speaker 4: his voters, and he, to his credit, brought out one

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Speaker 4: hundred and seventy thousand new voters, mostly young people. In

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Speaker 4: the primary. The cutoff age for his voter his voter

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Speaker 4: support was forty five. So many of us are beyond

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Speaker 4: that point and looking around and saying, oh, dear, does

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Speaker 4: he have the seasoning to be able to do this?

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Speaker 4: And I think that he's got the energy and the intelligence,

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Speaker 4: and it's up to all of us who have a

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Speaker 4: little more seasoning and to be helpful. And so that's

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Speaker 4: why I joined the transition team and was happy to

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Speaker 4: do that, and then working on the economic development workforce

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Speaker 4: activities there. But in general, I think working with him

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Speaker 4: to capture the enthusiasm and the energy. We came out

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Speaker 4: of the pandemic very negative and we lost a million jobs,

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Speaker 4: and then concerns about the cuts from the federal government

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Speaker 4: on entitlement programs, whether it's Medicaid and health insurance, that

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Speaker 4: there's the fight going on now. This casts a real

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Speaker 4: Paul over New York City, which is very dependent on

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Speaker 4: those funds. So I think that what he's brought is

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Speaker 4: a positive energy and we ought to capitalize on that

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Speaker 4: and hopefully he'll be the best marketer of this city

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Speaker 4: has ever had.

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Speaker 1: Your role on the transition team, does it turn into

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Speaker 1: a full time job in the Mundani administration.

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Speaker 4: I am definitely not at my age looking for a

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Speaker 4: full time job. I'm trying to get away from a.

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Speaker 3: Full time because you're outgoings of the partnership.

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Speaker 4: I am outgoing and I do not plan to take

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Speaker 4: another job, but I do plan to help the new

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Speaker 4: mayor if he wants it.

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Speaker 1: So beyond the transition period, you would stay on as

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Speaker 1: an advisor.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know in what capacity. As I say

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Speaker 4: I'm there, I'm certainly going to help Governor Hokeel deal

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Speaker 4: with her challenges. Where I've worked closely with her, She's

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Speaker 4: her to continue to manage New York's relationship with Washington

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Speaker 4: Our affordability problems will not get solved by the city alone.

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Speaker 4: This is going to take federal, state, city cooperation, and

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Speaker 4: so I think all of us who are committed to

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Speaker 4: New York City in future, we have to be thinking

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Speaker 4: of all three levels of government and how we work

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Speaker 4: with the leadership at all levels.

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Speaker 5: You brought mom Donnie to meet with business leaders on

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Speaker 5: several occasions. I wonder if you can talk about what

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Speaker 5: his demeanor is in these meetings. Right, I've talked to

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Speaker 5: Bill de Blasio about how he works a room, how

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Speaker 5: mum Donnie works a room and really gets the business

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Speaker 5: community to be comfortable around him, but also talk about

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Speaker 5: some of these policy proposals that business leaders wanted answers

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Speaker 5: to what are the things that business leaders said to him, Well,

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Speaker 5: that sounds like a lofty thing that won't get done,

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Speaker 5: or hey, that sounds like something that is much more

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Speaker 4: Well, there's been quite an evolution since he won the primary,

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Speaker 4: so in terms of his having a more nuanced position

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Speaker 4: primary campaign there were whole slewer candidates and everything was

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Speaker 4: one liners, and the social media stuff was one liners

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Speaker 4: or you know, show and tell. When you get into

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Speaker 4: conversation with CEOs, they want to hear data, they want

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Speaker 4: to hear facts. And I have watched him evolve and

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Speaker 4: grow over the last eight months. Where we had conversations

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Speaker 4: last week, one on housing, one on childcare, where He

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Speaker 4: asking questions and coming back with very substantive responses. So

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Speaker 4: he has absorbed a lot and is now digging deep

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Speaker 4: on these issues that you know, Ken Griffin expressed concern

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Speaker 4: about the fact that he made a lot, you know,

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Speaker 4: raised a lot of expectations, create a lot of idealistic

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Speaker 4: notions of out housing and childcare and how we can

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Speaker 4: do all this for free. I think he's very quickly

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Speaker 4: figuring out none of this is free. Raising taxes creates

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Speaker 4: real issues. You may raise the rates of taxes, but

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Speaker 4: that may not result in more revenues if you scare

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Speaker 4: we've seen lately, we've seen a real threat to jobs

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Speaker 4: in New York for the first time, the first time

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Speaker 4: in my experience over fifty years, are seeing a decline

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Speaker 4: Scary thing. That's forty percent of our state income tax revenues.

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Speaker 4: We don't I mean, these are you know, We've got

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Speaker 4: to pay attention, and I think he gets that. But

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Speaker 4: we've got to be at the table discussing these issues

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Speaker 4: and helping figure out how to employers help solve the

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Speaker 2: Kathy, you know, one of the things I think about

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Speaker 2: and I remember, you know, being at milk and years

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Speaker 2: it's about time we pay more taxes. So what is

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Speaker 2: the balance? And I am curious among those folks that

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Speaker 2: of times their wealth is not an income, it's assets

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Speaker 2: and it's investment gained. What do they think though, should

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Speaker 2: be maybe more of their contribution. And I know they

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Speaker 2: often contribute in philanthropy and so on. I know that,

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Speaker 2: but I'm just curious, what is the balance of willing

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Speaker 2: to pay more when again, I've had side conversations with

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Speaker 2: folks are surprised that they aren't paying more in taxes.

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Speaker 4: So what I've found, and for somebody who's upper income

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Speaker 4: our biggest tax payers, we're paying fifty five percent of

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Speaker 4: you all in so we're paying more than half my

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Speaker 4: paycheck goes to the federal government. So it's not like

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Speaker 4: we're getting away with something. For the very wealthy who

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Speaker 4: are capital gains, et cetera. The big problem there is

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Speaker 4: if they move their legal residents out of New York City,

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Speaker 4: get we don't share or get taxes. They aren't taxed

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Speaker 4: here on the basis of their global income, and so

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Speaker 4: we may get their a piece of their paycheck, but

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Speaker 4: not their wealth. And that's a big question.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 4: But what I found is over many years, when business

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Speaker 4: they see that Number one government is doing what they

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Speaker 4: can to figure out how do we offer the most efficient,

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Speaker 4: the most effective services at the lowest cost possible. How

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Speaker 4: do we make government more efficient? On the one hand,

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Speaker 4: then so then you begin to narrow, So what's the

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Speaker 4: delta in terms of what do we need to raise

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Speaker 4: revenues for? So, for example, when Dick Ravage in two

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Speaker 4: figure out how are we going to pay to upgrade

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Speaker 4: business community supported, creating a payroll mobility tax where a

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Speaker 4: portion of payrolls of corporations employers who were in the

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Speaker 4: everybody signed off on we supported. We supported an increase

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Speaker 4: in that tax twice. Same thing with congestion pricing. We

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Speaker 4: supported congestion pricing. Obviously a user fee where you get

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Speaker 4: something reduce congestion more time in your day is easier

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Speaker 4: to sell, so it is not. And actually, when Mike

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Speaker 4: So it's not that we're anti all taxes. Is government

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Speaker 1: Just very briefly, because you've spent such a big part

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Speaker 1: of your career working on affordable housing, I'm wondering if

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Speaker 1: the mayor is sticking to freezing rent as his solution

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Speaker 1: for affordability, because not one person that we have spoken

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Speaker 1: to over the last few months thinks that not increasing

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Speaker 1: supply and rather freezing rent is the right way to

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Speaker 4: Well, the new mayor is very well aware that those

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Speaker 4: are not mutually exclusive options and that if there's no

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Speaker 4: so he has He has said really since pre primary

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Speaker 4: that he understood the private sector had an important role

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Speaker 4: on that. So I think that again, his view is

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Speaker 4: much more nuanced when he says now when he talks

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Speaker 4: about freezing the rent, he says, and one thing that

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Speaker 4: will enable us to do that is if we do

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Speaker 4: reduce property taxes on rent stabilized regulated buildings. So he

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Speaker 4: gets it. He can add and subtract.

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Speaker 2: So can you come back, I said, you said, we

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Speaker 2: had an hour.

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Speaker 1: We had an hour hour's worth of question service.

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Speaker 2: But we so appreciate Kathy, Thank you, good luck, thank

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Speaker 2: luck having Kathy Wilde, president and CEO of Going President

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Speaker 2: and CEO of the Partnership for New York City, part

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Speaker 2: of the transition team of the New York City mayor elect,

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Speaker 2: and of course our Bloomberg News senior reporter Miles Miller,