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Speaker 1: This this one Bill's Live presented by Calia Health.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to Draft Week. We are finally here,

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Speaker 2: just three days away from night one of the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four NFL Draft. We have been waiting. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: can I get here already? Well, we're finally into Draft week.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you

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Speaker 2: on Bill's Live Here until three pm. And we have

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Speaker 2: sliced it. We have diced it. We have thriced it,

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Speaker 2: as a matter of fact. But we have a good topic,

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Speaker 2: good discussion for you today, which we will get to

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Speaker 2: in short order. But we have if we had a

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Speaker 2: meat tender riser the meat we had, if the meat's

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Speaker 2: the NFL Draft, it is flat as a pancake.

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Speaker 1: Now it is.

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Speaker 2: We have beaten it to a pulp.

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Speaker 1: We have beaten it to a pulp, and you know

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Speaker 1: most of it, Bless their hearts, most of our listeners

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Speaker 1: are right there with us. We talked, I go out,

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Speaker 1: go out to dinner over the weekend, go to the supermarket.

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Speaker 1: I mean, whatever you do. Man. Everybody's like, okay. So

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Speaker 1: if Brian Thomas Junior still live and you know, Andalopes

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Speaker 1: and yeah, and they're throwing names like what all right?

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Speaker 1: So if Xavier Worth, he's there and he's fast, and

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Speaker 1: then they we had the question today around that was

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Speaker 1: sitting around the office. So you got Brian Thomas Junior,

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Speaker 1: who now heard has a torn labor and which, by

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Speaker 1: the last weekend. Brian Thomas's got a got a rotator

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Speaker 1: And then you got a d Mitchell who's a type

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Speaker 1: one diabetic, which is a manageable condition that you've got

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Speaker 1: to keep on top of it all the time. So

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Speaker 1: which one of you, which medical you know thing is.

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Speaker 2: More more importantly how much does it make him slide?

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, if at all, cause if you're if rotator

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Speaker 1: and you can manage it. And he has done a

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Speaker 1: very good job of that. But even at Texas they said,

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Speaker 1: Ye Wow, you think we're we're in the weeds, like

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Speaker 1: we're in the first five minutes of the show and

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Speaker 1: we're talking about medicals on guys. But that's what it's

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Speaker 1: been like for me, if you too, Brownie, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh it's And it's the same thing every time.

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Speaker 2: It's all receiver all the time.

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Speaker 1: No. Buddy good friend of the show and former teammate

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Speaker 1: of mine, Ross Tucker said he had you know, in

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Speaker 1: his podcast or where he has listened, he goes there

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Speaker 1: are certain teams out there. He did not mention Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: but there are teams like Denver and some other teams

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Speaker 1: out there that have absolutely are telegraphing their pick. Now

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Speaker 1: you can do that. If you're the Bears and Washington

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Speaker 1: you know, everybody knows, but you get down the into

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Speaker 1: to the teams even plus generally speaking, you don't want

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Speaker 1: It's a tough place to be, tough place to be

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Speaker 2: It does happen, probably more than what people realize, especially

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Speaker 1: We should probably too go over what's your take? I'll

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Speaker 1: Sure clean injury history helps, And there's a couple of

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Speaker 1: other characteristics to one. You go talk to their college coaches,

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Speaker 1: And football sets guys apart like that because it's never

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Speaker 1: That's another box you can check. Now, certainly you can

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Speaker 1: but that's what they're that's the kind of core kernel

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Speaker 1: would agree with you, Brownie, all that. That's a lot

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Speaker 1: So you can see where it starts to get iffy

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Speaker 2: So I love how you made New England the outlier

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Speaker 1: That's totally not lost. That's a totally coincidence. So so

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Speaker 1: a whole you know, science and art mixed together to

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Speaker 2: And it's.

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Speaker 1: They're not twenty eight. You can bet the Bills are

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Speaker 2: Well, Brandon Bean said it. I mean, he said, look,

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Speaker 2: there we have more guys on our board with first

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Speaker 1: That's part of what he said that I believe.

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Speaker 2: But not twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: That's what I that's part of this what he was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go around the NFL, presented by Coaleida Health,

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Speaker 2: the official healthcare system of the Buffalo Bills, and we

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Speaker 2: begin with one Zack Wilson Steve. Last we left him,

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Speaker 2: he was floundering as the starting quarterback for the New

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Speaker 2: York Jets. At the end of the season, it was

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Speaker 2: clear that he was available via trade. The only problem

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Speaker 2: is no one wants Zach Wilson, at least in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Could they trade him to a CFL team? I guess

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Speaker 2: he will not be at voluntary workouts the offseason conditioning

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Speaker 2: So I get it, and it's you know, the guys

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Speaker 2: what the Jets choose to do with regard to drafting

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Speaker 2: take a flyer on somebody and you know, try to

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Speaker 2: develop somebody behind Rogers? No, I mean this could very

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Speaker 2: well be Rogers last season. I mean yes, and you

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Speaker 2: didn't you didn't have a great backup plan, you know

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Speaker 2: was horrible. And I think I'm being kinprug.

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Speaker 1: He struggled, but it was the whole team struggled and

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Speaker 1: it wasn't all his fault. And that's the problem. You

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Speaker 2: Run they have Tyrod, so they probably that's right.

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Speaker 1: And I'll say this, Tyrod is well, we know, Bills fans,

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Speaker 1: you know, Tyrop is really good, really great locky, great leader,

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Speaker 1: great good mind. To have his experience is unbelievable. I'll

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, you know, the guy with

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Speaker 1: Tyrod's an excellent pickup for the Jets.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anybody's taken Zach Wilson in a trade. No,

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Speaker 2: nobody's taken that. They know that Jets want to throw

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Speaker 2: him overboard. They're just gonna wait until he release. They

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Speaker 2: release him, which I think will probably I'm guessing for

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Speaker 2: cat purposes, would probably take place after June first, you know,

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Speaker 2: save a little bit more on this year's.

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Speaker 1: Because you and I do you really is there any

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Speaker 1: way in an open competition that Zach Wilson beats out Tyrod.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that I want him to.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't either, but you know what I'm saying, though, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't even think it's not gonna be that opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not gonna be like they're gonna keep Zach

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Speaker 1: Wilson instead of Tyrod. Yeah. So yeah, he's done so

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Speaker 1: Pick man, they're not. Yeah, he's on the Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The drafty and they botched both. They spectacularly whifted. That's

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Speaker 1: You know, I get it. But and the Jets were

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Speaker 2: because nobody's taking on that salary, right because nobody sees

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Speaker 1: They're bringing him in to evaluate him, and they're not

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. Do you think Denver with

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Speaker 1: I guess now you're now you got me there.

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Speaker 1: Maybe, but that's I don't know, bro, that's Zach bringing

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Speaker 1: That's got to be an absolute no. Sean Payton is

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Speaker 2: I want to say he wouldn't. But if you're desperate,

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Speaker 1: And I hear you. But but you know Zach Wilson's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jared Stidham and Ben Denucci.

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Speaker 2: Those are your two quarterbacks on the roster right now.

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Speaker 1: If Danucci was you know what the Giants was, you

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Speaker 2: Panding are you talking about Tommy DeVito?

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Speaker 1: Is that Tommy DeVito? You got Danucci?

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Speaker 1: not even like Davito.

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Speaker 2: She was previously a back.

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Speaker 1: Danucci's behind DeVito.

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Speaker 2: I would say he's not as good.

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Speaker 2: Zach Wilson to compete. Perhaps, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: There aren't many. There are not many good options. I

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Speaker 2: you know, we we kind of wondered if Seattle might

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Speaker 1: Everybody's over the moon right now.

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Speaker 2: Guessing it's lying season. But come on, I found I

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Speaker 1: Danucci's on a one year Oh yes, he is one year,

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Speaker 1: five thousand yearntract. He's a twenty seven year old second

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Speaker 2: That's a place and maybe he lands. If the the

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine that's gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Hey, well, I mean there are teams

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Speaker 2: I think Broncos fall into that category.

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Speaker 2: It's not good.

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Speaker 1: I mean Vegas. You know, you can see that. But

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Speaker 1: They do anything.

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Speaker 2: They like reclamation projects and.

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Speaker 1: They sent they've sent a couple of reclamation projects to

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Speaker 2: Then we have we we all know that these days

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Speaker 2: if you could put Xavier Worthy on that list, any

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well the Bills got are in every conversation

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It's pretty bad. It's it should be

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Speaker 2: And they just reinstated some of the guys that got

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Speaker 1: From that Detroit thing.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so those guys were built. Those guys weren't even

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Speaker 2: What are you doing NBA game?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not supposed to do that. So and that's

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Speaker 1: Yeah what that shouldn't you know? Should not some level

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Speaker 2: Yes it should.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying the guy's the guy's no way he's

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Speaker 2: Probably not as sad as that is to say.

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Speaker 2: Former Bills and Steelers cornerback Levi Wallace visiting the Denver

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Speaker 2: be a hard team to pry out of their spot

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because they, like we talked about earlier in this segment,

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Speaker 1: And I see too. You can make it both sides

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Speaker 1: Steph Diggs is one of those guys. You know, the

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Speaker 2: And offensive line hill, particularly at center. And I mean

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Speaker 1: He's and he was a special player. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I feel it.

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Speaker 2: You know, we mentioned how the Broncos are expected to

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Speaker 2: sign free agent corner Levi Wallace. They're also insisting they

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Speaker 2: have no plans to trade wide receiver Courtland Sutton, despite

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Speaker 2: being bombarded with phone calls and trade proposals. I think

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Speaker 2: there's a difference Steve to saying we're not trading Courtland

443
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Speaker 2: Sutton and we do not plan to trade Courtland Sutton.

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Speaker 2: I think that leaves the door open for a Hey,

445
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Speaker 2: if you bowl me over, you can have him, right,

446
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 2: we do not plan to trade him. However, you know,

447
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Speaker 2: like that's what it says to me. It's not like

448
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Speaker 2: we're not trading him. Yeah, but they it's not a declarative.

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Speaker 2: And here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why they. I don't know why gms

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Speaker 1: do that, because if one GM calls another, you think

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Speaker 1: they're not gonna take the call. Of course they're gonna

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Speaker 1: take the call. Say hey, what about it? Who's he

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Speaker 1: talking to? Who are these?

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Speaker 2: I mean, who's twenty nine year old receiver put in

456
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Speaker 2: a good season last year. He's gonna want money, like

457
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Speaker 2: all of them do. He's got I think he costs

458
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Speaker 2: a little over thirteen maybe fourteen right now, but he

459
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Speaker 2: wants a bigger contract because he knows he's getting close

460
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Speaker 2: to that age thirty season, so he's hoping.

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Speaker 1: At least long term, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he wants more money. I don't think Denver is

463
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Speaker 2: going to give it to him, So do they move him.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, so, I mean, they already traded Jerry

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Speaker 2: Judy away, so I don't know. If you're trying to

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Speaker 2: get a young quarterback, if you're trying to get a

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Speaker 2: young quarterback in the fold, I don't know. If you

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Speaker 2: want to get rid of your number one receiver, that's

469
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Speaker 2: probably not a good formula to help your new quarterback

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Speaker 2: if you're able to draft one in the draft.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if he's has given them into, you know,

472
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Speaker 1: told them that, hey, I'm not coming in if I

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Speaker 1: don't get a new deal, or if he's going to

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Speaker 1: hold out this last you know what I mean left

475
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Speaker 1: to see. I wonder if he's going to be disgruntled,

476
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Speaker 1: if he's going to come in and play hard and

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Speaker 1: get a contract.

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Speaker 2: He might even have two years left, I can't remember

479
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Speaker 2: off the top of my head. In any event, there

480
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Speaker 2: is other Broncos news. They unveiled their mile high collection

481
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Speaker 2: uniforms and to no unsurprised, they went back to the

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Speaker 2: orange crush day of your the big D on the

483
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Speaker 2: side of the helmet with the Bronco rising out of

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Speaker 2: the center of it, and the true orange and lighter

485
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Speaker 2: blue kind of like a sky blue uniforms that we

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Speaker 2: all remember from the seventies and eighties. So I tipped

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Speaker 2: my hat to the Broncos. I think that's a good move.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're doing. Courtland Sutton was one of

489
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Speaker 1: the guys on the little video that they're putting out, yeah,

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Speaker 1: for the new jerseys, and he just signed. Dude, he's

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Speaker 1: on a four year sixty No, four year, sixty million

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Speaker 1: dollar contract averaging fifteen to two a year. He needs

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Speaker 1: signed till twenty six. Oh okay, he's not going anywhere. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that's why, I mean they're saying no, we just

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Speaker 1: they just paid him. This is going to be his

496
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Speaker 1: fifth he's in five years, in fifth year, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's he not going anywhere.

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Speaker 2: Uh So we saw the throwback uniforms that are the

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Speaker 2: old mile High from the seventies and eighties. Their new

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Speaker 2: uniform is just tweaked from what it has been. They

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Speaker 2: kind of look like Boise State to me, who are

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Speaker 2: also the Broncos, right, But some of the new uniform accents,

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Speaker 2: I don't know that they've changed it enough. Well, the

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00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: throwback is great, the new iteration of the Broncos uniform.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, at the blue helmet.

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Speaker 2: It's a sharp, sharp color. She has just gone back

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Speaker 2: to that, like on a permanent basis. The classics are back, right,

508
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 2: but that's part of the mile High collection. I think

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00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: their new uniforms are largely the same color scheme. I

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00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 2: think we were just watching footage of that. Our MSG

511
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 2: viewers were looking at it. Yeah, I guess it's just

512
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: slight differences from the current uniform the color scheme darker blue.

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Speaker 2: I don't like the darker blue.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't listen. It's see.

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Speaker 2: These are the new uniforms that they have now. They're

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Speaker 2: just the helmets are the dark numbers that are a

517
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 2: little different. They do have some white helmets that they're sporting.

518
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Speaker 2: But the helmets, remember the old John Elway with the

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Speaker 2: D on the side. They were sky blue helmets, maybe

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Speaker 2: a little darker than sky blue. I don't know what

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Speaker 2: the what described color it was, but these are all

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Speaker 2: the navy blues, and that's they look like Boise State.

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Speaker 1: I'm not as sharp.

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Speaker 2: Nothing against Boise State, but if you're an NFL team,

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Speaker 2: you don't want to look like a college team.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure Boise State looks like the Broncos. The Denver Broncos,

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Speaker 1: not vice versa. Okay, because don't look like Boise State.

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Speaker 1: Boise State looks like the Broncos. That's can I be

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Speaker 1: that sure? That guy? I'm that guy?

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Speaker 2: Topic of discussion today We kind of flipped things.

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Speaker 1: A little bit.

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Speaker 2: What prospect do you not want to see drafted to

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Speaker 2: an AFC rival? Maybe there's a player that you're worried

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Speaker 2: if they land on the Bengals or the Ravens or

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs or the Dolphins. As you're gonna be like, oh, brother,

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Speaker 2: I don't want that draft prospect on that team. Give

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Speaker 2: us a call, let us know who is your IX

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Speaker 2: nay to an AFC rival. Eight oh three oh five

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Speaker 2: point fifty one eighty eight five fifty two, five fifty

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Speaker 2: then number to get on board. We got open lines

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Speaker 2: through you. You don't have time to hit us up

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00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: on the phone lines, you can always hit us up

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Speaker 2: on the tweets sheet at One Bill's Live. Got draft

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Speaker 2: expert from ESPN, Matt Miller joining us in the second

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Speaker 2: hour the show. But your phone calls are coming up next.

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Speaker 2: We'll lead off with Judy and Buffalo when we come

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Speaker 2: back here on One Bill's Live, presented by Kaleidea Health.

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Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right, back here on one

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Speaker 2: Bill's Live in Draft week Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with

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Speaker 2: you and topic of discussion today, what prospect do you

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Speaker 2: not want to see drafted to an AFC rival? Eight

552
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Speaker 2: oh three oh five point fifty one eight eight five

553
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Speaker 2: fifty two five fifty. The number to get on board

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Speaker 2: and leading us off today is Judy and Buffalo. What

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Speaker 2: he got for his Judy?

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Speaker 4: Uh? For good mate? For digressing again? You know where

557
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 4: I stand. You know, for years, for the last two years,

558
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 4: I've been talking receivers and receivers and receivers, okay, but

559
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 4: here there's an underlying problem with the Bills that nobody

560
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 4: seems to be talking about. Last year, it costs us

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00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 4: two games, one with Philadelphia one with Kansas City when

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Speaker 4: it really mattered, and that was our kicking game. I frankly,

563
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 4: I cringe every time Coddler baskets out there to try

564
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 4: to kick a field go over forty years, because I

565
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 4: know it's going to beer right now. What in the

566
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Speaker 4: world is going wrong? Why cannot that be corrected? Because

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00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 4: we have, frankly, a very difficult schedule this year and

568
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 4: it could come down to field goals here, there, and everywhere.

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Speaker 4: So I just it's not a topic of conversation, and

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Speaker 4: I think it should be.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll entertain that right now, Judy, thanks for the call.

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Speaker 1: I would say this, Judy, You're right. There's last year,

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Speaker 1: for the first time, the Bills really did not bring

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Speaker 1: in anybody to push Tyler basson training camp.

575
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: He had just signed an extent, just signed an extension.

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Speaker 2: He was not going and.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't going anywhere, and they so they didn't even

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Speaker 1: go through the formality of it. I think you can

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Speaker 1: you can probably bet that they will do that this year.

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Speaker 1: And you're right. You go back even those two games

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Speaker 1: that you mentioned, and also opening Day in overtime against

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Speaker 1: the Jets, they gave up a punt return. Now that's

583
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: that counts as the kicking game. I know you're talking

584
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: about field goals, but the kicking game is confidence twelve

585
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: men on the field either and then they get the

586
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Speaker 1: twelve men on the field against Denver there where they

587
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: kicked it wide and we should have won that game.

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Speaker 1: So you're right. It was a roller coaster last year.

589
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: Sometimes they were fantastic and other times they were atrocity

590
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: and that roller coaster needs to be leveled out. I

591
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: think I need to get more dependable in every aspect

592
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Speaker 1: of it, and it starts with Tyler Bass. You're right,

593
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Speaker 1: because he's the most I think he's the crowning piece

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Speaker 1: of your special team's crew because he's got it. You

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Speaker 1: want him to be perfect, particularly in the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you saw the team early on uh in

597
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: free agency resigned Matt Hock and the last time he

598
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Speaker 2: was here as the full time punter was in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty one, and that was one of Tyler Bass's best seasons.

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Speaker 2: So is it an operational issue and they feel Matt

601
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Speaker 2: Hack could offer something more consistent there as a holder.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but it is very interesting that he's

603
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Speaker 2: back on the roster for competition, you know, for Sam Martin, right,

604
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Speaker 2: But is it competition for punting or something else tied

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00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 2: to Tyler Bass. We don't know, but it is interesting

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Speaker 2: that he was brought back after he was here very

607
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Speaker 2: briefly when it was unclear whether or not Sam Martin

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Speaker 2: would be able to punt in the Kansas City playoff

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Speaker 2: game after he injured himself in the Pittsburgh game in

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Speaker 2: the playoffs there or was it? Yeah, I think that's

611
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Speaker 2: I think I have that right. I might have my

612
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 2: weeks mixed up, but it was at the end of

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Speaker 2: the season going into the playoffs. So yeah, there's a

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Speaker 2: lot that I think special teams wants to write that

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00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: didn't go well last year. And I would bet that

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Speaker 2: you know Matt Smiley and coach Harky as assistant or

617
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: all over that in addition to being all over what

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Speaker 2: is going to be a very new looking kickoff this

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Speaker 2: year too, you pretty much tear up your playbook for

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Speaker 2: kickoff team, both return and coverage with the new rules

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Speaker 2: going in this year.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a really good question what usually happens is

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Speaker 1: and the key the key guys in your special teams

624
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: are obviously your kicker and your punter and the long snapper,

625
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: and those three guys are where it begins, and the

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00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: rest of the special team's roster gets filled out from

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Speaker 1: the positions that are on offense and defense obviously, from

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Speaker 1: tight ends, linebackers, safeties and backup corners, backup wideouts, backup

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Speaker 1: running backs, all of those guy, backup offensive lineman, all

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Speaker 1: those guys go into it. And when you get down

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Speaker 1: the roster. Some guys they bring in like Taiwan Jones.

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Speaker 1: Remember when a few years ago, when Taiwan's had a

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Speaker 1: nice run here in Buffalo, he was brought in as

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Speaker 1: a special team's guy, and it was his job in

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00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: training camp just to be proficient enough as a safety,

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00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: as a running back, as a running back, just to

637
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 1: make sure they felt a ok with him on the roster.

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00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: If something happened to all the running back he could

639
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: finish a game for them. But he was brought on

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00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: as a special teams player. But unless like Medickevitch, same thing.

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00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: He can play linebacker and does on occasion, but he's

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00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: here for special teams. There are guys like that at

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00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: the bottom of the roster and that's who fills it out.

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00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: So yes, as important as Tyler Bass and Matt Hawk

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00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: and Sam Martin Arr and the bulk of the special

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Speaker 1: teams guys turn into professional special teams guys from other positions.

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Speaker 1: So they're gonna it's up to them, and particularly the

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00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: young guys on the roster, to come in and prove

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Speaker 1: they want to play special teams and want to contribute

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Speaker 1: in some way, shape or form, and that gives them

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Speaker 1: an avenue on to the roster where they can get

652
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: better as a safety, better as a corner, better as

653
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: a linebacker, better as a tight end, what have you,

654
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: And then they can develop and then come off special

655
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: teams and be a first, first, and ten player. That

656
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: special teams right now are formula from the backups, they're

657
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: from other positions, and then guys evolve into really good

658
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: special teams players and then that's their job. They don't

659
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: they don't worry about them as a linebacker, tight end,

660
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: but young players coming in need to learn, have to

661
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: learn that before they come in. You're right, Judy Tyler

662
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: Bass is the poster boy for what all the Special

663
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: teams kind of go with. And that's that's kind of

664
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Speaker 1: how they're all rated. It's by the quality and the

665
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: quality and consistency of the placekicker. But there's a ton

666
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: more that goes into it. And this year there's a

667
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: lot of unknowns because of the new kickoff rules.

668
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 2: Be interesting to see how it take shape in training

669
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: camp this year. Let's go to Mark and Jersey City next.

670
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 6: What's up Mark, how you guys doing? Thanks for taking

671
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 6: my call, Edgar and Cooper. I don't want to see

672
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 6: him go to any AFC East team. I don't want

673
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 6: to see him go to any cheap because they lost

674
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 6: William Gay, Willie Gay, and we know what he did

675
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 6: for them. He was Alan Spy and that's the guy

676
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 6: I don't want to see on Dolphins. I don't want

677
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 6: see him on the Pats. I don't think we'll see

678
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 6: him on the Jets because they have Quincy, Williams and Mosley.

679
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 6: But yeah, that's the guy, and yeah, I just don't

680
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 6: want to see that. It would be low hanging fruit

681
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 6: to take a receiver, an offensive player. I would have

682
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 6: said Byron Murphy. But everything that we're here and now

683
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 6: he's you know, you know how the leaks start the

684
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 6: week of he looks like he's going to be might

685
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 6: be the first defensive player off the board. So thanks

686
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 6: for taking my call, guys.

687
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, thank you. Mark. Edrin Cooper is a good pick.

688
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: I just said that to Steve last week. I don't

689
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: want Edrin Cooper going to the Dolphins because then they

690
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 2: might have somebody that could actually run down Josh Allen

691
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: in the open field, right.

692
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: I mean, Josh has made those guys look bad his

693
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 1: entire career, and a guy like Edrin Cooper does change

694
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 1: that he is. He's a big, long linebacker who plays

695
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: off the ball in the middle of the field and

696
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: go sideline to sideline. He's like, he's like an athletic

697
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: Tremaine Edmonds, you know what I mean. He's more instinctive

698
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: and athletic and free wheeling. I mean he is he

699
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: sees man, he runs and he's there. Uh electric, he is.

700
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: He's Yeah, he's fun to watch. I mean, if you

701
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: if you tell yourself, go on go on YouTube and

702
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 1: put Edgrin Cooper's highlights in and then tell yourself, yeah,

703
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: the Bills have already drafted this guy, and you you'll

704
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: be so excited that you fooled yourself into that they've

705
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: already got this guy. It's like, all right, Uh, that's

706
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: the kind of tape he is, uh far off either

707
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: want you want a guy like you want him on

708
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: your team. That's all there is to it. This is

709
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: a guy you want on your team. His film is

710
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: like I hey, Like it's like, hey, look at this one.

711
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, it's a good call. You you don't

712
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: want him anywhere near the AFC East or even the

713
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: conference if you can avoid it.

714
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Speaker 2: Let's go to Joe in Arizona Nex. What's up, Joe, Hey?

715
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Speaker 7: How we doing?

716
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: Follow is have a long time listening our first time caller, thanks.

717
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: Born and raised in Amherst and Williamsville out in Arizona.

718
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 3: Start off by just telling you guys how much I

719
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 3: appreciate having your show to listen to when I'm so

720
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 3: far away. It really keeps me in tune with everything.

721
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Speaker 2: Also, I have just a.

722
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Speaker 3: Quick cobed for you, and then I would hear your

723
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 3: opinion on it. So I've heard a lot of opinions

724
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 3: on stuff the way this kind of goes with you guys.

725
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 3: But with wide receivers, we talk a lot about how

726
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 3: expensive it is to trade up until the beginning of

727
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 3: the first round you give up too much capital. And

728
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 3: we talk about how much how great the depth is

729
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 3: at the wide receiver position this year. So it's just

730
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 3: surprising to me that there's not more said right now

731
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Speaker 3: about staying put at number twenty eight and getting you know,

732
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Speaker 3: one of our talk hopefully Brian Thomas or a Dy

733
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Speaker 3: Mitchell or something in that spot, and then turning around

734
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Speaker 3: and trading up as high as U tenants of the

735
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Speaker 3: second round and grabbing you LADMKANKI or Troy Franklin, and

736
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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you got two of these ridiculously

737
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Speaker 3: good young guys, whoever you think they are. Let me

738
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Speaker 3: know what you guys think on that.

739
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a bad idea, Joe at all. You

740
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,959
Speaker 2: know you're thinking double dip and try to get two

741
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: receivers in the top fifty picks. And the reason why

742
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: I don't think it's outlandish is because of what Brandon

743
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: Bean said at his press conference last week. He basically

744
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: said the drop off between the bottom of round one

745
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 2: and the top of round two is less than it

746
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: is from the top of round two to the bottom

747
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Speaker 2: of round two. So clearly on their board they see

748
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,439
Speaker 2: a major drop off or a more significant drop off

749
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Speaker 2: from the first half of round two to the second half,

750
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Speaker 2: where there's much less difference between the bottom of round

751
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: one and the top of round two. So I think

752
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 2: you could slice that two ways. You could either slide

753
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 2: out of the bottom of round one. If there's not

754
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: much difference between your twenty eighth best player and your

755
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 2: thirty eighth best player, it's probably easier to slide out

756
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 2: around one, go to the top a round two, then

757
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: you still have sixty and you could pick again in

758
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 2: the third round with a pick you probably acquire for

759
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 2: sliding back ten spots. So that's another way to look

760
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: at it. If you trade up from sixty, you know,

761
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 2: I mean I could check the value chart real quick.

762
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,959
Speaker 2: But if you trade up from sixty and you want

763
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: to get up to say forty, yeah you got you

764
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: got to part with more than one of your fours,

765
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 2: probably two of your four's, and your pick at sixty

766
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 2: to get up to that second round pick around forty

767
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: or so.

768
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: And you could push you could push that at you know,

769
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: off to next year too. You could give a you

770
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: could give a third next year or something, a movie. Yeah,

771
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 1: you could do that that kind of thing. You've got

772
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: two sec two two's next year, which I think you

773
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: probably wants to hang on to, but yeah, you could

774
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: do that. And I like that idea. Get the get

775
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: you get the next guy at number twenty eight, the

776
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: next wide receiver that's there, and you know there's there's

777
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 1: gonna be three or four of them that we've talked

778
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,959
Speaker 1: about that are gonna be there from you know, Brian

779
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: Thomas Junior, Xavier Worthy, Xavier Legette, uh Keon Coleman, And

780
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: you can go down the list. All these guys are

781
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: gonna be there or one of them, and then trade

782
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: down and then you're looking at maybe trading up into

783
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:46,479
Speaker 1: from sixty to get into like forty two, and maybe

784
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: you grab like Lad mcconkey's there or somebody like that,

785
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: Ricky Pierso, Ricky Pearsol will be there. So you've got

786
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: a chance at getting two of those dudes that are

787
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: actually okay, you know you think they're intriguing. Yeah, or

788
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: maybe get two of the guys I just mentioned that

789
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: you might have been able to get at twenty eight

790
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,479
Speaker 1: or we're considering, so I like that idea a lot.

791
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: Using number sixty.

792
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 2: You'd rather go up from the bottom around two rather

793
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 2: than out of the bottom around one.

794
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I'd take the twenty eight guy and move

795
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: up from sixty to maybe thirty spots. Yeah.

796
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: Go, then you're done on day two, go to forty

797
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: or thirty. You're not picking again until Sun Saturday.

798
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, you weren't gonna you're putting it out there.

799
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: We're just gonna put one pick one guy anyway. Now

800
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: you pick one on day on day two a little earlier,

801
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 1: a little earlier, and then get out and then you

802
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 1: get ready for your other eight picks or seven picks.

803
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 2: All right, we got to take a break here, but

804
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 2: more of your phone calls when we come back. Anthony

805
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: will lead us off when we return here on One

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Speaker 2: Bill's Live, presented by a lot of health, It's Buffalo

807
00:43:50,640 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 2: Bill's Radio. All right, back here on one Bill's Live.

808
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: Draft week has arrived. Chris Brown, Steve tasking with you

809
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: and asking you what prospect do you not want to

810
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 2: see drafted to an AFC rival? And we've had some

811
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Speaker 2: submissions already, but we go to Anthony in Buffalo next.

812
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Speaker 2: What's up Anthony, gentlemen, good afternoon.

813
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 7: So my guy that I don't want to see go

814
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 7: to any AFC, any AFC team, or really an AFC

815
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,959
Speaker 7: east is going to be Michael Pennix Junior. I think

816
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 7: he's an you know, he's an under rated quarterback because

817
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 7: of his injury history. But you know that kid is

818
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 7: you know, he he's a great player, steps up when

819
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 7: he has to, and it's just you know, he's just

820
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 7: a guy that sitting behind Aaron Rodgers getting healthier, getting

821
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 7: better and learning to be a pro. I feel like

822
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 7: would just be a disaster and then you know, we

823
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 7: would be stuck with another QB that puts up issues

824
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 7: with our Buffalo bills. So that's my guys, and hopefully

825
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 7: draft goes well, good luck and down. I'll listen for comments.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys.

827
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Speaker 2: See this because he's been on the Penix horse for

828
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 2: a while.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, Anthony. If he if for instance, if

830
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 1: the Patriots draft Mike Pennix, it's a it's a dark

831
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: day for Buffalo. I think the guy can really play.

832
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: He had four career injuring four season ending injuries in

833
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: four straight years, then got the extra COVID year and

834
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: then took a red shirt year for Washington. The last

835
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Speaker 1: two years he was at Washington University, right and healthy,

836
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Speaker 1: completely healthy. For two years. He took the one hundred

837
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: and eighth ranked offense in the country, and the very

838
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: next year they were number two. They went from a

839
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: four and I believe a four and eleven record to

840
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: a eleven and two record, eleven and four record, and

841
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: then at fourteen and one record and we're for the

842
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: national championship with Michael Pennix. The guy is a he's

843
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: a leader, he's got all that, he's got a pro

844
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: he's got a got the best arm in the draft.

845
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: He's got he's got a live arm, and he seems

846
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: to be poised now. He is not a Josh Allen

847
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, the pocket guy. He's He's strictly a pocket guy.

848
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: But that's the way the league is legislated and the

849
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: rules are made so the guys stand back there and

850
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: beat you from the pocket. Ultimately, every playoff team needs

851
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: a guy that can do that. Mike Pennix is that guy.

852
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: I would not be shocked if that's the guy the

853
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: Patriots want. Uh, I'm I'm getting poop pooed by a

854
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: lot of draft analysts. No, not a lot of people

855
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: agree with me because of his injury history and all

856
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: of that.

857
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 2: He's also twenty four years old.

858
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: And he's yeah, he's a little older dude because of

859
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: the long college career. But I'm with you, Anthony. I

860
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: think Mike Pennix is pro ready and what I've been

861
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: able to discern. I don't talk to anybody about him,

862
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: but from the reading, the articles and all that he

863
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: is he's a kind of guy that elevates the guys

864
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: around him. I mean, he's a guy other players want

865
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Speaker 1: to join in with. That's that's a problem for this

866
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Speaker 1: division if Mike Pennix goes to the Patriots in my opinion. Yeah.

867
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Speaker 2: One bit of news coming from Diana Rossini from The Athletic.

868
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Speaker 2: The New England Patriots are listening and taking calls from

869
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Speaker 2: teams looking to move into the three hole where they

870
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Speaker 2: currently have the pick. GM Elliott Wolf is running point,

871
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Speaker 2: but Patriots President Jonathan Craft, who is the son of

872
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Speaker 2: Robert Craft, is heavily involved in the decision making. If

873
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Speaker 2: they move back to eleven in a deal with Minnesota,

874
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Speaker 2: watch them take Pennix.

875
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Speaker 1: There could happen, Yes, they could do that.

876
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Speaker 2: We have to take a break though, because when we

877
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Speaker 2: come back, we're going to be joined by ESPN NFL

878
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Speaker 2: draft analyst Matt Miller as we talk draft, latest rumors,

879
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 2: and Bill's fits, among other things, the Bill's best value.

880
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 2: What does he think that is? It picked twenty eight.

881
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Speaker 2: We'll check in with him next here on One Bill's

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Speaker 2: Live presented by Colida Health.

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Speaker 8: It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 1: This is One Bill's Live presented by Calida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome into hour number two on a Monday,

886
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 2: It's draft week. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you. And

887
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Speaker 2: to be joined now by ESPN NFL draft analyst and

888
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 2: insider Matt Miller, joining us here on the show and

889
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 2: recently put together with his colleague Jordan Reid, best fit

890
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 2: best value at just about every pick in the first round,

891
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Speaker 2: and we'll dive into that in short order. But Matt, first,

892
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 2: thanks for giving us some time. When you get to

893
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 2: draft week, is it like Christmas for you? What is

894
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 2: this week like?

895
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Speaker 5: It's like Christmas when you're a parent. You know, you

896
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 5: know that stress of making sure everything's gone. You're staying

897
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 5: up super late, putting bicycles together and Barbie dreamhouses and

898
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 5: you're worried you forgot something. So it is it is,

899
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 5: it's like Christmas once you've had kids. But Thursday, you know,

900
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 5: it's truly a culmination of a week, year, excuse me,

901
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 5: a year of work that we get to see, you know,

902
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 5: over those three days, it's a ton of fun, and

903
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 5: then the process.

904
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 9: Rolls right over.

905
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 5: You know, next week I'll be writing about the twenty

906
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 5: twenty five NFL Draft, So it never truly stops. But

907
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 5: this is a it's a long week, guys, but it

908
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 5: is a great week, and it's it's so fun to

909
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 5: get to hop on with you guys and break down

910
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 5: each individual team, whether it be with you guys or

911
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 5: the other other places I get the advantage of talking

912
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Speaker 5: to this week.

913
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Speaker 1: So you get in this mode of where you get

914
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Speaker 1: this stuff all put together and we talk about it

915
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: here on our show. You you do nothing but get

916
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: ready for this thing. And then Roger Goodell steps up

917
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: and he starts to read, and he with that first

918
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: card and we all realize that we really don't know

919
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,439
Speaker 1: exactly what's going to happen. But what does your gut

920
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: tell you about what may be the surprises in this draft,

921
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: particularly at the very top.

922
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think we know what will happen at the top.

923
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 5: I feel good about that since the Chicago Bears brought

924
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 5: in exactly one player at the quarterback position in the

925
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 5: pre draft process that was Calla Williams.

926
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Speaker 9: So feel pretty good about that one.

927
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Speaker 5: But you're right, Steve, After that it is you're waiting,

928
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Speaker 5: And I think this year there is that added level

929
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Speaker 5: of intrigue. Who will that number two pick be by

930
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Speaker 5: the Washington Commanders. We know it will be a quarterback?

931
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 5: Will it be Jaden Daniels, the Heisman Trophy winner from LSU?

932
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 5: Will they go for the upside of a Drake mayfrom

933
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 5: North Carolina, Will they go for somebody who has risen

934
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 5: as much as any player in this pre draft process

935
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Speaker 5: in JJ McCarthy at Michigan. So the Commanders certainly have

936
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 5: options at the quarterback spot. And to me, that is

937
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 5: that's the first domino that's gonna fall, guys, because what

938
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 5: Washington does it too, will inform what New England can

939
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 5: do it three, what options they have, whether that be

940
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 5: stick and pick and take quarterback, whether that be trading

941
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Speaker 5: out and letting a team like the Minnesota Vikings or

942
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 5: the Denver Broncos come up. So I know that maybe

943
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 5: people think I have an obligation to sell the intrigue

944
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 5: that is the NFL Draft, But this year it really

945
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 5: sells itself because we truly don't know what's going to

946
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 5: happen at pick number two overall.

947
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just as a reminder for everybody out there,

948
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 2: Matt will be a part of ESPN's Day three broadcast

949
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 2: on Saturday at noon Eastern time, which will be airing

950
00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 2: on ESPN and ABC. So, as I mentioned, you and Lee,

951
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 2: along with Jordan Reed, your colleague, put together kind of

952
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: best fit, best value at every pick in round one,

953
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 2: and he went Xavier Worthy for fit at twenty eight

954
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 2: for the Bills, you went with another receiver for best value?

955
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: Tell us why and who?

956
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, the best value here? Best value.

957
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 5: Again, you're looking at who's available on the clock as

958
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 5: opposed to where they're ranked. Right, So it's not necessarily

959
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 5: a true Hey, this is our need, this is the bit,

960
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 5: but it's looking up my big board, and so I

961
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Speaker 5: believe I don't have in front of me. You have

962
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 5: to correct me if I'm wrong, Chris, it was at

963
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 5: nin Mitchell from Texas. I believe it's who the pick was.

964
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 5: It's been a long week since we did that exercise,

965
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 5: so I'm glad. I remember Mitchell is a big play

966
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 5: waiting to happen. We saw that in his five career

967
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 5: college football playoff games, five touchdown catches. I had a

968
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 5: scouting director tell me, if you just watched his tape

969
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 5: against Alabama, you would think this is one of the

970
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 5: best receivers in the class because when he was with

971
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 5: Georgia and when he was with Texas, he absolutely beat

972
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 5: up Nick Saban's secondary. That makes me feel pretty good

973
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 5: about a prospect. When you can go at well, I

974
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 5: consider to be the best defensive backs coach of all time,

975
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 5: and Nick Saban when you can go at his secondary,

976
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 5: you're gonna have a ton of success in the NFL

977
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 5: if you had that production. Six foot three, two hundred

978
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 5: and five pounds, he is a speedster four three five

979
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 5: forty yard dash the NFL scouting combine, and I think

980
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 5: he's an ascending prospect. There were times where you know,

981
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 5: Texas leaned on the run with Jonathan Brooks, certainly early

982
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 5: in the year. There were times where they quarterback Quinn,

983
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 5: you were struggled to connect on the deep ball. We

984
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 5: saw Quinn struggle through some injuries this year that certainly

985
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 5: affected the deep ball, and that is what Mitchell does best.

986
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 5: So to me, he's a player that's just scratching the

987
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 5: surface of what he can be. And now that you

988
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 5: have a Bill's depth chart without Gabe Davis and without

989
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 5: Stefan Diggs, I think this is an opportunity to kind

990
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 5: of combine those two players into one where you get

991
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 5: the deep threat of a Gabe Davis, but you get

992
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 5: the sure handedness, you get that go to factor Stefan Diggs.

993
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 5: Mitchell had one drop last year in college, which is

994
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 5: phenomenal considering the types of targets that he actually saw

995
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 5: in this Texas offense. So I think this guy's the

996
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 5: limit for him. He is a really, really good player

997
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 5: that would immediately benefit this offense.

998
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 2: We heard, you know that Mitchell is dealing with type

999
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 2: one diabetes or has he's a type one diabetic, And

1000
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 2: we've also heard news that Brian Thomas has a torn labram.

1001
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 2: When you get late news like that, Although I would

1002
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 2: imagine the medical revealed the type one diabetes for Mitchell

1003
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 2: to all the teams at the combine, does that impact

1004
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 2: their draft stock? Could those guys slide at all in

1005
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 2: Round one? And if so, how much with those kinds

1006
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 2: of maladies?

1007
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 5: I think, And I'll say that information did come out

1008
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 5: around the time of the Combine, at least on ad

1009
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 5: Nin Mitchell.

1010
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 3: Now on.

1011
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 9: Brian Thomas.

1012
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 5: I guess it was about two weeks ago when I

1013
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 5: got a text with some of us said hey, there's

1014
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 5: a shoulder issue here. They weren't certain what it was,

1015
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 5: but I know that information has since come out. I

1016
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 5: think with Mitchell, you're looking at a situation where you

1017
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 5: got to talk to the coaches, particularly the strength coaches.

1018
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 9: How did he manage it. How much did it affect him?

1019
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 5: I never saw it affect him during the games, and

1020
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 5: I think that would be one of the questions as

1021
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 5: you have a player that's learning how to manage that disease,

1022
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 5: learning how to handle it, what's best for him. I

1023
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 5: know there were some anonymous reports about maybe he was

1024
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 5: kind of contankerous at times. Hey, I get the same

1025
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 5: way if I skip breakfast, So I definitely can relate

1026
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 5: to that aspect of it. But I don't know that

1027
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 5: we'll see a gigantic drop from either guy. It may

1028
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 5: affect them, you know, instead of going seventeen, you might

1029
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 5: go twenty three or twenty four, something like that. But

1030
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 5: I don't see a significant drop for either player. Just

1031
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 5: based on my conversations with teams around the league right now.

1032
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: What player might sneak into the first round who maybe

1033
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: didn't start out there, Yeah, I.

1034
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 9: Mean they didn't start out there. QUINYA Mitchell.

1035
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 5: He's definitely the player that has pushed himself to the

1036
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 5: corner from Toledo, who had that great senior Brole process

1037
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 5: and a great combine performance. He has pushed himself into

1038
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 5: that range. If we want to go back to you

1039
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 5: January first until now. He's certainly someone that has pushed

1040
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 5: his way way up to board, probably more than any

1041
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 5: player other than JJ McCarthy in this pre draft process.

1042
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 5: Now a couple guys that I think could be on

1043
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,720
Speaker 5: the fringe of making it. Darius Robinson from Missouri another player.

1044
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 5: I've gone back and looked at my Senior Bowl notes.

1045
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 5: Before the Senior Bowl, I thought, here's the top fifty player.

1046
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 5: After the Senior Bowl, after talking to coaches in the

1047
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 5: SEC after his Pro Day, I think Darius Robinson has

1048
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 5: pushed himself into the top thirty two. So I look

1049
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 5: at two players if we could flash back four months ago,

1050
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 5: that probably weren't being talked about a ton, especially Quinny

1051
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 5: on Mitchell. He feels like a lock is a top

1052
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 5: twenty pick. I think Darius Robinson' to be a top

1053
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 5: thirty pick. Both players have helped themselves tremendously just throughout

1054
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 5: the process that is the pre draft.

1055
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 2: Matt Brandon, being general manager for the Bill, spoke to

1056
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 2: the media last week kind of in his pre draft

1057
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 2: press conference, and one of the interesting things he said

1058
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 2: was he feels that there is a smaller drop in

1059
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 2: terms of quality of talent on the board from the

1060
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 2: end of round one to the top of round two,

1061
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 2: then from the top of round two to the bottom

1062
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 2: of round two. What kind of merits do you think

1063
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 2: that gives someone like some team like the Bills, who

1064
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 2: if they don't like the value at twenty eight, might

1065
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 2: try to back up and get out if the difference

1066
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 2: between player twenty eight and player thirty eight isn't all

1067
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 2: that much.

1068
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 9: Yeah, I would agree with that.

1069
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 5: Actually, you know, in the process of doing my final

1070
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 5: rankings where I actually I put a grade on four

1071
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 5: hundred and seventy four players.

1072
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 9: You can find that on ESPN dot com.

1073
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 5: That was something that I actually found Chris was that,

1074
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 5: you know, player twenty five and player forty might not

1075
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 5: be that different this year. And I would say that

1076
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 5: carries on through the draft where we have kind of

1077
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 5: these big, deep tiers of players. So I think for

1078
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 5: Buffalo that's great news. You know something that your rival,

1079
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 5: the Kansas City Chiefs did several years ago was they

1080
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 5: traded out of the late first round and still got

1081
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 5: Chris Jones at the top of the second round. That

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00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 5: extra value helped them in building this dynasty that.

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00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 3: They have now.

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Speaker 5: It also does help to hit on the player at

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00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 5: the top of the second round. So I think for

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00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 5: the Bills, you look at scenarios where if the talent

1087
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 5: is wiped out. If you're sitting at twenty eight and

1088
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 5: you say, hey, our receiver targets we wanted to trade up,

1089
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 5: we couldn't. That board's been wiped out, great opportunity to

1090
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 5: trade back. The other side of that would be if

1091
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 5: you get to twenty eight and you still have six

1092
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 5: or seven guys on your board that you really like,

1093
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 5: then you feel confident that you could move back. But

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00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 5: I will say this it's specific to Buffalo. You have

1095
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 5: to look at so many teams right there with you

1096
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 5: as being in the same area of need that you're in.

1097
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 5: You know, we know that Kansas City wants to get

1098
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 5: a wide receiver. San Francisco could be after a wide receiver.

1099
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 5: You cannot role out the Detroit Lions at wide receiver.

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00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 5: And then at the top of round too, you have

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00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 5: the Carolina Panthers sitting right there. At thirty three, you

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00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 5: have the New England Patriots sitting right there. There are

1103
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 5: so many wide receiver needy teams, and I think that's

1104
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 5: where with Buffalo you have to be somewhat conservative because

1105
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 5: wheneveryone in the league knows what your perceived top need

1106
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 5: is pretty easy to jumped. We saw that happen to

1107
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 5: the New York Jets last year. Everyone knows they need

1108
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 5: a left tackle. All the left tackles are wiped out

1109
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 5: except Broderick Jones, and then here come the Pittsburgh Steelers

1110
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 5: jumping them to get him. So you have to be

1111
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 5: a little more conservative. Sure, you'd love to trade back

1112
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 5: and get that extra value, but and I know Brandon's

1113
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 5: very very smart about this. You have to be aware

1114
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 5: of what's left on the board and understanding how far

1115
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 5: back you can actually slide before your board gets wiped

1116
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 5: out completely.

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00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: Last one, Matt, you know, this is a tiny of

1118
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: year where you hear all the gms talking to their

1119
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: local medias and you can't believe any of it, but

1120
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: you hear some stuff, and there's been some stuff over there,

1121
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: Like you know, Marvin Harrison Junior has been one of

1122
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: the top players in this draft from the from the jump,

1123
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,919
Speaker 1: But now you're talking about guys like Molik Neighbors who

1124
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: may jump him and other teams are interested in that.

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00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: Is there any truth to the rumors where some of

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00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: these guys flip flop. I know the quarterbacks will flip

1127
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: flop back and forth. What about Malik Neighbors and Marvin

1128
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: Harrison Junior and how close in are they in their

1129
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: respective tier?

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00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, Steve, that's that I was hearing back even at

1131
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 5: the Senior bo Excuse me, My suspicion is we're hearing

1132
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 5: the elite neighbors talk from thirty NFL teams that are

1133
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 5: not the Chicago Bears and the Arizona Cardinals, because those

1134
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 5: are the only two teams that Marvin Harrison Junior met

1135
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 5: with on a top thirty visit in the entire pre

1136
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 5: draft process. Now he had meetings with nine teams at

1137
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 5: the NFL scatting combine. I have a suspicion we're looking

1138
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 5: at a lot of teams right now that say we're

1139
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 5: not gonna be able to get Marvin Harrison Junior. Anyway,

1140
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 5: the next guy on the list looks pretty darn good

1141
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 5: to us. This happened back in twenty twenty one, when

1142
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 5: everyone knew Trevor Lawrence was here in first overall, you'd

1143
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 5: start the area NFL team say, you know, we like

1144
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 5: Zach Wilson just as much as we like Trevor Lawrence,

1145
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 5: and then when it was assumed that Zach would go

1146
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 5: to you start hearing well, we like Trey Lance and

1147
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 5: Justin Fields as much as those guys. So there's definitely

1148
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 5: I think an I toward Hey, we're never going to

1149
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 5: have the opportunity to get that player that does no

1150
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 5: slight to elite neighbors at all. He's a fantastic prospect,

1151
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 5: amazing speed. What he does after the catch is phenomenal.

1152
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 5: He deserves to be a top five or top six

1153
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 5: election in this class. But I think it's far and

1154
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 5: away that Marvin Harrison Junior is the best receiver in

1155
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 5: this class. You can make an argument he's the best

1156
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 5: overall prospect in this class from an NFL readiness standpoint,

1157
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 5: from a trade standpoint, you know what you're getting in

1158
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 5: the pedigree with his dad being an NFL Hall of Famer,

1159
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 5: so he is as clean as they come when when

1160
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 5: we're looking at wide receivers.

1161
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 2: Matt, thanks very much for the time. We appreciate it.

1162
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 2: Enjoy the draft, especially Day three. We'll look for you

1163
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 2: on ESPN and ABC.

1164
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 9: I appreciate you guys.

1165
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 2: Thank you all right, that's Matt Miller, ESPN, NFL Draft

1166
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 2: analyst and insider, and he will be on ESPN and

1167
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 2: ABC's Day three coverage of the NFL Draft starting Saturday

1168
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 2: at noon.

1169
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I'd never really

1170
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,479
Speaker 1: thought about it in those terms. But when you start

1171
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: hearing these guys are flip flumb said, well we like it,

1172
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: it's because they know they have no shot at the

1173
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: other guy.

1174
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we'll be just as happy with this guy.

1175
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: Right, Or they're saying, we like this guy just as

1176
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: much and I'm hoping that that somebody passes on him.

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01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: Thinking the other guys, you know what I mean, makes

1178
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: a lot of sense, and it's all see it.

1179
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 2: I'm accepting the case of Trevor Lawrence and Zach Wilson.

1180
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 2: My gosh, sorry, it's true.

1181
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna nobody was thinking that.

1182
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 2: Uh, let's get back to our topic of conversation, which

1183
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 2: deals with these prospects in the draft, and which prospect

1184
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 2: do you not want to see drafted to an a

1185
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 2: FC rival Eight O three zero five point fifty one

1186
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 2: eight and eight five fifty two five fifteen the number

1187
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 2: to get on board. Let's go to Kevin in Hamburg next.

1188
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 2: What's up Kevin?

1189
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 10: Hey, guys, how you doing bake for digging my call.

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01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: Sure.

1191
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 10: On the Andrew question, I think the one I would

1192
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 10: worry about is Marvin Harrison's going to any of our

1193
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 10: rivals Eastern Conference. I mean, his nick name in college

1194
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 10: is Madaradi Marv. If that was his nick name when

1195
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 10: I watched some of his college games, you can call

1196
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 10: the name like that. That means you're fast.

1197
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: You know.

1198
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 10: It's sort of like when do you name a linebacker

1199
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 10: a mediac or something like that. You know, you can

1200
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 10: call the name you're fast. I would not want him

1201
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 10: to go to one of our definitely our division, but

1202
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 10: even in our conference with Mazaradi mar I just can

1203
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 10: envision how much of a night you would be.

1204
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, you're right. He is a really great player,

1205
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: no question about it. I I've Brownie and I have

1206
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,439
Speaker 1: gone around around about nicknames, and I've always setting out

1207
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: I've never heard I know, I've heard the Maserati Marv

1208
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 1: thing him right. But I'm I'm a big fan of

1209
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 1: nicknames because it helps you get a handle on it.

1210
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: Like Chop Robinson everybody loves because his name's Chop. Sauce Gardner,

1211
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: you know, Cadillac Williams. You can go back through the

1212
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 1: list prime time. You go all through the list of nicknames,

1213
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm listen. I think it's a it's like

1214
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: a twenty five or thirty percent boost in your draft

1215
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: stock if you have a really good nickname. So if

1216
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 1: you go if you're a twenty two to thirty two pick,

1217
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: you can go into the teams with a good nickname.

1218
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 2: What did what did you make of Matt's Because I

1219
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 2: asked Matt, like, how far do you think Brian Thomas

1220
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 2: Junior or ad Mitchell could slide, knowing Brian Thomas has

1221
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 2: a torn laboram in his shoulder and ad Mitchell is

1222
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 2: a Type one diabetic, And he said, well, it might

1223
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 2: knock you from seventeen to twenty four. Now I'm thinking,

1224
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 2: holy crap, we're in striking distance now maybe if that happens.

1225
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. And I don't know though, because I

1226
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: don't see teams that need him dropping out of there,

1227
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 1: not taking him.

1228
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 2: Well, a torn laby don't have to drop out, they

1229
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 2: just have to pick somebody else.

1230
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: A torn laboram is not an ACL No, it's not

1231
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: for a wide receiver. Four month if it was a

1232
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: throwing arm for your quarterback, recover. Maybe right, so, but

1233
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: you're you're not going to tell me that a team

1234
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: like Pittsburgh at twenty is not going to take Brian

1235
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,919
Speaker 1: Thomas Junior because of a labor If he's their guy,

1236
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 1: they're grabbing him. There's just no same thing with the

1237
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: Rams and Jacksonville and you know, even Miami. I mean

1238
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: those guys, they're not going to pass on a player

1239
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: they really like because of an injury, a four month injury,

1240
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: the type one diabetic from ad Mitchell. I don't know,

1241
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: I've never I never heard of anything like. I'm sure

1242
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 1: there's been other kids, I say kids, other men coming

1243
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: out of this draft or other drafts with the same

1244
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: type of problem. I've never heard about what it did

1245
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: to their draft. I couldn't tell you. I don't know

1246
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: there's a history there. Yeah, I'm not, but he's right.

1247
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: A torn labor on a wide out is like, that's impact.

1248
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 1: That's off season dust, you know, dusting and cleaning. You know,

1249
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:38,959
Speaker 1: it's nothing.

1250
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 2: Let's crack open the tweet sheet at one Bill's Live

1251
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 2: to see what prospect you do not want to see

1252
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 2: drafted to an AFC rival. Tweet sheet brought to you

1253
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 2: by Corgan Moving Systems, the official equipment moving company in

1254
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills, and Colin says brock Bowers to the

1255
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 2: Jets he has been mocked to them an awful lot.

1256
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 2: I think the only thing that could trumpet is a

1257
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 2: top offensive tackle, and knowing the Jets probably want shiny

1258
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 2: objects for Aaron Rodgers, it could very well be brock Bowers,

1259
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 2: who is a nightmare after the.

1260
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: Catch, Colin might be completely disappointed because I think that's

1261
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: exactly where brock Bars is going. I don't think the

1262
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 1: Jets have the discipline to go for an offensive lineman,

1263
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 1: even after they absolutely burned their house to the ground

1264
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: last year because of their offensive line.

1265
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 2: I think the only way brock Bowers is not the

1266
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 2: pick at ten is if by some miracle, one of

1267
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 2: those top three receivers are still on the board at ten,

1268
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 2: like if Chicago doesn't take a receiver at nine, you know,

1269
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 2: and a Dunza is still there. For example, maybe they

1270
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 2: take a Dunze over Bowers. But I don't know that

1271
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 2: that's any better than Colin scenario. So from seventeen for MVP,

1272
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 2: I really don't want the Pats to get Drake me

1273
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 2: simply because I see so much Josh Allen when he plays. Really,

1274
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if I see that. I could be wrong.

1275
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 2: Much has been made about Drake May's footwork, Steve, and

1276
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 2: now it's kind of all over the place and not

1277
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 2: very refined.

1278
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with you. I kind of pooh

1279
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:23,959
Speaker 1: pooh that mccanna. They said the same thing. They said

1280
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 1: the same thing about Philip Rivers. He had a funky delivery,

1281
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: and he did. But the guy threw for nine gazillion

1282
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 1: yards as a pro and is a Hall of Fame candidate.

1283
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: He's going to be in the Hall of Fame. You

1284
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: can say, well he never won anything, Well that's he

1285
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 1: played for the Chargers, so that's not his fault. You know,

1286
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 1: I don't really put much stock into like he's got

1287
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: bad footwork. He's got a funky delivery. The guy can

1288
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 1: sling it and he's a big athlete. I like him.

1289
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get caught up in the mechanics. All right,

1290
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: Certainly you can, certainly you can, you know, I mean,

1291
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: Josh works on his mechanics and he's gotten better, and

1292
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 1: you know, I just don't think that is a deal breaker.

1293
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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot more boxes that are a

1294
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 1: higher priority for him to check than his footwork.

1295
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 2: All right, well, then let me throw this at you.

1296
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:18,679
Speaker 2: What if New England would you rather have New England

1297
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 2: take Drake May at three? Or what if they trade

1298
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 2: out with Minnesota go down to eleven and get Pennix

1299
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 2: at eleven? Would you rather have the Patriots have Pennix

1300
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 2: or Drake May?

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01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 1: Well? Uh, I like Pennix better than May, me too,

1302
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:35,759
Speaker 1: So yeah.

1303
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,560
Speaker 2: You'd take May over Penix to go to the Patriots.

1304
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd take Michael if I helped the bill. If

1305
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 1: it was my pick and I was picking for my team,

1306
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 1: I'd take Mike Pennix, not Drake May.

1307
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 2: So you don't want the Patriots to have Penick?

1308
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 1: I don't care if Drake May goes to the New

1309
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: England Patriots if the alternative is Mike Pennix, you know

1310
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 1: what I mean? So I hope they drink. I hope

1311
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 1: you know the Patriots draft Charlie bagg of Donuts, you know,

1312
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 1: instead of in this class. I'm pretty sure he's in

1313
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 1: every class. We just don't know. He's called by a

1314
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 1: different name.

1315
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 2: Different he does.

1316
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 1: You're right there.

1317
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,839
Speaker 2: Name was Zach Wilson. Okay, ed Lee on the tweets

1318
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 2: sheet says the only individual player that can lift a

1319
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 2: franchise as a quarterback. In this case, no AFC team

1320
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:25,639
Speaker 2: is likely to draft an impact quarterback. So not super

1321
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 2: worried about that. The Patriots are picking third kind of

1322
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 2: off the wall. But if the Chiefs got Xavier Worthy,

1323
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 2: I would not prefer that, even if I don't want

1324
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 2: him for the Bills. So ed Lee not a fan

1325
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 2: of Xavier Worthy for the Bills, but he doesn't want

1326
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 2: him going to the Chiefs.

1327
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I get it. It's all that. It's all

1328
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 1: the scar tissue from Tyreek Hill being a being a

1329
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: Chief and Xavier Xavier Worthy is not Tyreek Hill. Xavior

1330
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 1: Worthy ways literally maybe what he's one sixty five, he

1331
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 1: might be fifty pounds. He is a wisp low what

1332
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill weighs, and he's not as and he's fast,

1333
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 1: but he's not as explosive. I mean, Tyreek Hill goes

1334
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,799
Speaker 1: fast on his first two steps. He's going nine thousand

1335
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 1: miles an hour. Now Worthy is very fast, runs a

1336
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 1: good forty All of that stuff, tracks the ball deep,

1337
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 1: he catches the ball well. But he's not Tyreek Hill.

1338
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's not going to be a really

1339
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 1: good pro but he but I get I mean, yeah,

1340
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to see the Chiefs get any good players.

1341
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 1: And Xavier Worthy is a good player, but I don't

1342
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 1: think he's a at this point, as you know, as

1343
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 1: a rookie coming out, I don't think you can expect

1344
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: him to be a you know, Tyreek Hill kind of

1345
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 1: difference maker. Which is like, which is I'm I'm I'm

1346
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 1: I guess I'm projecting. I think that's what you mean

1347
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 1: when you don't want Worthy to go to the Chiefs

1348
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 1: because you don't want to replay of Tyreek Hill being

1349
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 1: in that offense. But that's I don't think that's He's

1350
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 1: a good player, but he's no Tyreek Hill.

1351
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:03,520
Speaker 2: Jack on tweets Sheet says, I'd really like the Fish, Jets,

1352
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 2: and Pats to not get any of the top four

1353
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:09,919
Speaker 2: wide receivers. I'd also like Bowers to not be drafted

1354
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,719
Speaker 2: to any of them. And as far as Casey and Cincy,

1355
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 2: I hope they go d or offensive line Bills need

1356
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,719
Speaker 2: to get the weapons to keep up in the arms race.

1357
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 2: I would agree with most of that. Yeah, I think

1358
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 2: I think you have a chance, a good chance that

1359
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 2: not one of the top four wideouts go to the Dolphins, Jets,

1360
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 2: or Patriots, especially if all three are off the board

1361
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 2: before the Jets are on the clock at ten top

1362
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 2: three receivers, they still might want the fourth. I mean,

1363
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 2: do they like Brian Thomas and take him at ten

1364
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 2: and say, we're not fooling around, We're gonna take him

1365
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 2: right here.

1366
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:46,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Patriots aren't gonna probably are gonna take a

1367
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 1: quarterback at number three, the Jets at ten. We've already

1368
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: talked about it. Either offensive line or Brock Bowers right

1369
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: the tight end, and then yeah.

1370
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 2: That's about Dolphins are at twenty one. Dolphins are twenty

1371
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 2: tey d line and O line help. They lost Chris

1372
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 2: Jihn Wilkins and they lost some line.

1373
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:05,640
Speaker 1: And they've got Tyreek and Jalen Waddle, so you know,

1374
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 1: they're kind of deep. They're kind of set it wide out.

1375
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 1: I would see, now, think about this, if the Dolphins

1376
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 1: did take a wide out, I would envision somebody like

1377
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 1: Lad McConkie, Ricky Pearsol, or some one of those slot

1378
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: receivers that they can kind of be underneath and give

1379
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:22,839
Speaker 1: two of that outlet, you know what I mean. Instead

1380
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 1: of getting one of the big time outside wide receivers,

1381
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 1: which are probably be gone by the ND. They may

1382
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 1: do that if they take a wide receiver, but I

1383
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 1: think that's I think it's unlikely that they do that

1384
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 1: at that spot.

1385
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they resigned Braxton Burio, so he's back

1386
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 2: in the fold, and maybe he takes the slot roll

1387
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 2: again this year. We'll have to see, but not as

1388
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 2: desperate for receiver help as they are for line help

1389
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 2: in the trenches for sure. One more here on the

1390
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 2: tweets sheet before we have to take a break. That's

1391
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 2: from Steve, who says, at this point, there's nobody for me.

1392
01:12:57,439 --> 01:12:59,559
Speaker 2: It's too hard to translate out a prospect we'll turn

1393
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 2: out in the end. Jefferson was the fifth wide receiver

1394
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 2: taking a pick twenty two in twenty twenty. There are

1395
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 2: always diamonds in the rough, and that's why the draft

1396
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 2: is so much fun, because it's a guessing game for

1397
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 2: all gms and everybody else for that matter. So he

1398
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 2: didn't care who goes where because you got to see

1399
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 2: him play first. I guess. I guess that's the reasoned

1400
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 2: argument of the day here from Steve. So here's that

1401
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 2: I mean it makes sense. I get it. Looks like

1402
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson, who we just talked about Steve is on

1403
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 2: the move. NFL Networks Ian Rapaport. Former Jets starting quarterback

1404
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 2: and number two pick, Zack Wilson is being traded to

1405
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 2: the Denver Broncos. We just talked about it, Jared Stidham

1406
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 2: and Ben Denucci. We're not doing it. The deal includes

1407
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 2: a late round pickswap sixth for a seventh, and the

1408
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 2: Jets will pay some of Wilson's five and a half

1409
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 2: million dollars salary. So the Jets pay money, need to

1410
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 2: get rid of him and give up a draft pick

1411
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 2: and give up a seventh in exchange for a sixth.

1412
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 2: Can here's the question now, Steve, can Sean Payton fix

1413
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson.

1414
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 1: Well, if he can, it will be one of the

1415
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 1: great reclamation projects we've ever seen, right, because this guy's

1416
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 1: got issues, he's got he's got a live arm, but

1417
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 1: he's you know.

1418
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 2: He was frazzled last year.

1419
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 1: Yes, and he was on a bad team. I get, well,

1420
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 1: he's not going to a really good team now. But

1421
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 1: that's that's quite the triumvirent at quarterback for the Broncos.

1422
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 1: Right now, Jared Stidham.

1423
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 2: All right, handicap it for me?

1424
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 1: Danucci?

1425
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 2: I think Danucci's out. But what do we think Stidham

1426
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 2: versus Zach Wilson two former AFC East Draft choices. Jared Stidham,

1427
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:58,680
Speaker 2: a fourth round draft choice of the New England Patriots.

1428
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson the number or two pick in the draft

1429
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 2: for the Jets.

1430
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lean towards Zach Wilson because I'll say this.

1431
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 1: You know what is you know what his life's been

1432
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 1: like in New York, right, I mean it's been He's

1433
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 1: been getting hit with a sledgehammer over the head for

1434
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 1: correct for a couple of years. Now right, Denver is

1435
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 1: gonna be a refreshing change for him, particularly.

1436
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 2: And closer to home, which is provo Utah.

1437
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 1: That's true. And he's gonna have a head coach with

1438
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 1: an offensive playbook and a way to get the most

1439
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 1: out of his guys. Now, he's gonna he's gonna have

1440
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 1: a short lease and Sean Payton coaches hard. So how

1441
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 1: he reacts to that, I think he'll soak that up

1442
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 1: and he'll he'll be like, listen, I'll take hard coach

1443
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 1: and just don't give me a hard life when I

1444
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 1: leave the building, like I'm like I had in New York.

1445
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,719
Speaker 1: I think it'll be a refreshing change for Zach Wilson

1446
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 1: and at least he'll I don't know, I don't know

1447
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: if he'll play better, but I think he'll be happier.

1448
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 2: Okay, that begs the next question, Steve, which is what

1449
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 2: are the Broncos now doing at pick twelve? Because I mean,

1450
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 2: could they still draft a quarterback? Sure? How likely is that?

1451
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 2: I would say it's safe to call it less likely.

1452
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I think it's less likely that

1453
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:21,719
Speaker 2: they take a quarterback there. Maybe do they fall into

1454
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 2: the receiver pool now.

1455
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah? Or offensive line pool?

1456
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 2: Well they need? Yeah, I mean I get that. I

1457
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 2: mean they signed Matt pertin free agency. He's kind of

1458
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 2: been a journeyman offensive tackle and not a great one.

1459
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:41,799
Speaker 2: They signed him away from the Giants.

1460
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: But you got to remember too, now Denver's got the

1461
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,839
Speaker 1: twelfth pick and they don't pick again until the seventy

1462
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 1: sixth pick.

1463
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 2: Right, so maybe they're a candidate to move down right,

1464
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:52,599
Speaker 2: And they got five third, They got a fourth rounder

1465
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:55,879
Speaker 2: at one to twenty one, three five three fifth round picks,

1466
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 2: sixth two, sixth round picks.

1467
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 1: So they've got eight picks in this draft, three inside

1468
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 1: the top one twenty one. I'm I think, I I

1469
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:13,799
Speaker 1: you know what if I'm the Broncos. Now you're sitting

1470
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 1: there going all right, well, let's trade back. You could

1471
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: trade back with somebody who wants to keep, like the

1472
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, who wants back in eighteen where they would

1473
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 1: trade up twice. You can somebody could leap frog you

1474
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 1: and go all the way into the five, six, seven

1475
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:30,599
Speaker 1: range with your twelve pick and give you whatever whatever.

1476
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, yep, but that takes a lot.

1477
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: There's a lot in that. I'm now Denver's kind of

1478
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 1: in the same in a different spot.

1479
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 2: Now they do need corner help, right, So you picked twelve,

1480
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 2: do you take Quinnon Mitchell the bestner in the draft?

1481
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 1: You get a because you're gonna you gotta think, particularly

1482
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 1: on the defensive side, anything outside the quarterback spot. With

1483
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 1: all the guys that are available at the top of

1484
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,639
Speaker 1: this draft, you gotta think, bang at twelve, you're gonna

1485
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 1: get a shit thing. You're gonna a sure thing. Corner.

1486
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 1: You're gonna get a sure thing offensive tackle. You're gonna

1487
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 1: get a sure thing wide receiver probably could. Do you

1488
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 1: do that? Or do you look at your roster and say,

1489
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 1: we stink, give me more picks.

1490
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:17,720
Speaker 2: Because we don't have a lot to begin with and

1491
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 2: we need help.

1492
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 1: Or do you do you say, well, I don't know.

1493
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 1: I like kind of like Mike Pennicks.

1494
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:26,719
Speaker 2: I don't think he would have traded for Zach Wilson.

1495
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,719
Speaker 1: Then he might because then you gotta think the Raiders

1496
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 1: and the Minnesota are thinking, okay, Denver set, We're not

1497
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 1: gonna have to get up for them.

1498
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,680
Speaker 2: So it's a smoke screen. The Zach Wilson. It's a

1499
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 2: seventh round pick.

1500
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 1: Who cares. Yeah, you get you know, you gave up.

1501
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:43,560
Speaker 1: You gave up a bag of footballs for the guy,

1502
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 1: and if it helps you on draft days, stay put

1503
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:47,600
Speaker 1: and get the guy you really want without giving up

1504
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 1: anything else.

1505
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 2: Boom diggity Zach Wilson smoke screen trade. We still like Pennis.

1506
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 1: Zach just doesn't make training camp for the Broncos. He's

1507
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:00,120
Speaker 1: released him.

1508
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 2: Ben Denucci or Jared Stidham, nahbery, Uh, break time for

1509
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 2: us here when we come back. More of your comments

1510
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 2: on the tweets sheets still taking your phone calls too?

1511
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:11,640
Speaker 2: At ATO three oh five fifty one eight of eight

1512
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 2: five fifty two, five fifty. What NFL draft prospect do

1513
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 2: you not want to see going to an AFC rival?

1514
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 2: Warrior calls and tweets next here on one Bill's Live,

1515
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:27,559
Speaker 2: Stay tune all right back here on one Bills Live,

1516
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you and working our way

1517
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 2: through the tweet sheet, but still taking your phone calls

1518
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 2: at ATO three oh five fifty one eight eight eight

1519
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 2: five fifty two, five fifty. What NFL prospect do you

1520
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 2: not want to see drafted to an AFC rival? Amongst

1521
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 2: some of the answers, we've had Rock Powers to the Jets,

1522
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:52,639
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison to anyone in the division, and we've also

1523
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 2: had some other submissions, Egern Cooper to an AFC East team,

1524
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 2: a linebacker from Texas A and M who is probably

1525
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 2: fast enough to run down somebody like Josh Allen. That

1526
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:05,599
Speaker 2: could be a problem if he's on an opposing defense

1527
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 2: in the division. So you let us know what you think.

1528
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 2: At eight h three oh five point fifty one eighty

1529
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 2: eight five fifty two, five fifty, those are the numbers

1530
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 2: to get on board. And we do have open lines

1531
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 2: for you. But we go back to the tweet sheet

1532
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 2: here where mister Game seven says laget to Kansas City

1533
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 2: because they will use him properly and have a solid

1534
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 2: weapon who can line up anywhere. Yeah, like that is versatile.

1535
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 2: I mean South Carolina used him on jet sweeps and

1536
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 2: out of the backfield. He's a former high school quarterback,

1537
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 2: so he can throw the ball too, So yeah, they

1538
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 2: they had him do a lot of things in addition

1539
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:41,800
Speaker 2: to being a deep threat.

1540
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a big dude too. I mean like he's

1541
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:48,679
Speaker 1: heavy and he play he seems to play with some grit.

1542
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 1: You've heard me talk at times about Eric Molds being

1543
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 1: one of those guys who's a phenomenal athlete, really good

1544
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 1: wide receiver and was a was a kind of a fighter,

1545
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 1: really aggressive, you know, gritty receiver who was looking for

1546
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 1: contact and yeah, just really an intimidate, intimidating wide receiver.

1547
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:12,720
Speaker 1: The get is a little bit of that. I'm not

1548
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:16,679
Speaker 1: gonna says Eric Molds. But the dude's got some stuff

1549
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,759
Speaker 1: and I like him a lot. Now. He's the only

1550
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:23,759
Speaker 1: knock on him is that we've only seen him play

1551
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 1: really good for a year one season and he's been

1552
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 1: he's a long time college student. I mean the guy

1553
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:32,599
Speaker 1: he's been in college for like five years and he's

1554
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 1: only had one really good year and it was this

1555
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 1: last year. Now I think it was what Spencer Ratler

1556
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 1: was his quarterback. Yes, so Spencer Ratler was his quarterback

1557
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 1: and who was also in this draft, so he got

1558
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 1: a little help from him. But that's the knock on him.

1559
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 1: And so you got to think, Okay, what's behind the

1560
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 1: lack of production up until that point, and there's really

1561
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:55,480
Speaker 1: hasn't been a good answer.

1562
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 2: Yet, and after five years of college to still be

1563
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 2: considered a little raw is interesting too, is some of

1564
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 2: some of the ways in which he's described like he

1565
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 2: doesn't have routs savvy yet, that kind of thing. Andrew

1566
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:13,639
Speaker 2: on the tweets she says, well, if the Chiefs trade

1567
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 2: up to get Brian Thomas Junior, I will be incredibly mad.

1568
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 2: Not because I don't think we have a chance at

1569
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:22,520
Speaker 2: getting him, but that's just another good weapon for Patrick Mahomes,

1570
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 2: who has proven over the last couple of years doesn't

1571
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:27,040
Speaker 2: need world beaters to get you all the way to

1572
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:27,679
Speaker 2: the super Bowl.

1573
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:33,640
Speaker 1: He's that good. He's good. But yeah, that would be.

1574
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 2: Can you imagine us taking phone calls on Friday if

1575
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 2: Brian if the Chiefs trade up and get Brian Thomas

1576
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 2: in front of us, Oh, brother.

1577
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 1: They might I mean they may want him, they may

1578
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 1: think God. So that's something that'll get back to the

1579
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 1: third super Bowl in the row. We'll get Brian Thomas Junior.

1580
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:50,679
Speaker 1: It's talking.

1581
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:55,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I'm just gonna say it. The Chiefs have

1582
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 2: done it before. They went up from twenty seven to

1583
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 2: ten to take Mahomes in twenty seventeen.

1584
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 1: And I'll say this too, there's a lot of They

1585
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 1: surprise a lot of people though. I mean, you know,

1586
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 1: ten teams passed on Mahomes and and I get it.

1587
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 1: You get it. You're convicted about a guy. You stand

1588
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 1: on the table and hump and you know, pound on

1589
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 1: the table for him. You're if you're right, hey, awesome.

1590
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 1: There's a lot of teams that had Pat Mahomes as

1591
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:26,719
Speaker 1: a little bit of a well he was. He played

1592
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 1: in college kind of like he does in the pros.

1593
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 1: And that's a big jump to be able to do that,

1594
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 1: and not a lot of people have ever done it before.

1595
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 1: So that's why everybody kind of passed on Mahomes saying,

1596
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if he can do that at the

1597
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 1: pro level. I think that's a little asking, a little

1598
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 1: too much. Well, he answered the questions. So yeah, there's

1599
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: a chance they jump up high again to get one

1600
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 1: of these dudes. But let's face it, whoever they jump

1601
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 1: up for, it's going to be expensive, very expensive, because

1602
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 1: they're going from whatever they're going to trade up for

1603
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 1: all all the way back to thirty two. That's a

1604
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: that's a drop away. That's a big drop for whoever

1605
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 1: takes it. So we've done the math here and that's

1606
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:12,640
Speaker 1: you know, that's with the twenty eighth pick, not the

1607
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 1: thirty second pick, and it's expensive.

1608
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:22,599
Speaker 2: It is, indeed. Seth on the tweets sheet says man,

1609
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 2: I'll be very upset if Kansas City gets Troy Franklin.

1610
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 2: At the end of the first dude is going to

1611
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 2: be a star and I really want to see him

1612
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 2: in red, white and blue. That's another speed merchant out

1613
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 2: of Oregon who can really stretch the field and has

1614
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 2: production at the college level and of more than just

1615
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 2: one season, if memory serves so. He is an interesting

1616
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 2: case study. He's very slight framed, sim simple, he's a

1617
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 2: little he's taller than worthy, but you know, he's only

1618
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 2: he's like six three six y four, but he's like

1619
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:58,839
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy seven pounds.

1620
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 1: You can see it just looking at five. Yeah, six

1621
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,760
Speaker 1: two one seventy five. He's he's tall and wispy six

1622
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:08,559
Speaker 1: two is big. He's got a big frame, seems to

1623
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 1: catch it well. And like you said, all these guys

1624
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 1: up here, the guy he can scoot.

1625
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 2: So he had uh eight hundred and ninety one yards

1626
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:21,799
Speaker 2: receiving and nine touchdowns his junior season in thirteen games,

1627
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 2: and then last season eighty one catches for thirteen hundred

1628
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:30,040
Speaker 2: eighty three yards, averaged seventeen yards to catch, and had

1629
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:35,679
Speaker 2: fourteen touchdowns. The one knock is he did have nine

1630
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 2: drops last season, which was up from his previous high

1631
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 2: of three.

1632
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:46,719
Speaker 1: Right, he was catching who's his quarterback? H Oregon.

1633
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 2: I can't ry bow knicks bow knicks, So who's gonna

1634
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 2: get drafted?

1635
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, if you're gonna knock him, maybe that's one knock.

1636
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,920
Speaker 1: His weight and the fact that he's got nine drops, uh,

1637
01:25:58,000 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 1: because some of the guys at the top of this

1638
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:04,599
Speaker 1: draft got like one. So you know, given the fact

1639
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 1: that that was always a knock on Gabe Davis and

1640
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 1: Dawson Knox has had to work very hard to overcome

1641
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:15,640
Speaker 1: the things early in his career with the drops. You know,

1642
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:16,600
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if you want to go

1643
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:20,679
Speaker 1: back to that issue again, right, we'll see. But he's

1644
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 1: a good player, no question about it.

1645
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and can absolutely stretch the field.

1646
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 1: I'll say this though, there's I gotta be honest, there's

1647
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 1: like obviously three four, there's probably like six seven guys

1648
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:35,640
Speaker 1: I would name before I'd get to Troy Franklin that

1649
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 1: I would rather have then. But he's a good player,

1650
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 1: and he may be one of these guys like like

1651
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson, who's like the fifth guy taking off the border,

1652
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:46,680
Speaker 1: the eighth guy taking off the board who ends up

1653
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:47,679
Speaker 1: being as good as any of them.

1654
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 2: Anything is possible in the NFL Draft. We got to

1655
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:54,600
Speaker 2: take a break here some final thoughts on the tweetscheet

1656
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:56,640
Speaker 2: when we return here on One Bill's Live, presented by

1657
01:26:56,680 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 2: Coil Out of Health, It's Buffalo Bill's Radio, All Right.

1658
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 2: One final segment here on One Bill's Live on a

1659
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 2: Monday of Draft week, when we wrap up the tweet

1660
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:22,640
Speaker 2: sheet with the following comments, this one from Colin b

1661
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 2: I fear other AFC teams loading up on offensive weapons

1662
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 2: while we pass on one because the board didn't fall, right,

1663
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 2: don't care address your biggest need and stay in this

1664
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 2: arms race. Well, if the value is messed up, he's

1665
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 2: not gonna take a receiver just to take a receiver.

1666
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:40,800
Speaker 2: He'll move back.

1667
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 1: That's what's hard for a lot of fans, because you know,

1668
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 1: we all have our own draft board in our even

1669
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 1: if we don't write it down or have a white

1670
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 1: board or do all this research, you always have your

1671
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 1: draft board in your head and you think, well, we

1672
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 1: should have you know, you should have taken that guy.

1673
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:54,200
Speaker 1: You know you should have taken this guy. And the

1674
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 1: Bill's pass arms said he which wasn't that. We don't

1675
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 1: think he's as good as you think he's good. Right,

1676
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:00,799
Speaker 1: So you're sitting there seeing ad Mitchell or Brian Thomas

1677
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,800
Speaker 1: or what all name your your player, you know, Keon

1678
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:06,519
Speaker 1: Coleman or whoever goes down the board and you end

1679
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 1: up taking some other player and everybody's unhappy. But the

1680
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:15,160
Speaker 1: Bills don't believe. They believe they get the best guy

1681
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:17,599
Speaker 1: at that spot. And that's that's hard to take sometimes

1682
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 1: as a fan. But that's you better get used to it.

1683
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 1: That's just the way it.

1684
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 2: Is, man, right, no matter who they take, I mean,

1685
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,639
Speaker 2: New England is probably gonna take an offensive player. We're

1686
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:28,719
Speaker 2: expecting it to be a quarterback. It's likely the Jets

1687
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 2: take Bowers if he's there, maybe even one of the

1688
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:34,840
Speaker 2: top three receivers if they're on the board. If there's

1689
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 2: one left, I don't even know if you can rule

1690
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 2: out Brian Thomas it right, you know. And then the Dolphins,

1691
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 2: as we said, they need line help, so I don't

1692
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:46,719
Speaker 2: know that they're going to do that. Speaking of which,

1693
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 2: Tom says, Latu to the Dolphins. He is a great

1694
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 2: athlete and pass rusher. I would hate to have to

1695
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:56,920
Speaker 2: hate him because he is a Dolphin. Josh Allen doesn't

1696
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 2: need this guy bearing down.

1697
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 1: That's well, that's well put Tom, you have to hate

1698
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:02,639
Speaker 1: You'd hate to have to hate the guy because he's

1699
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 1: on the Dolphin. He's a good player. You're right.

1700
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:07,760
Speaker 2: They did lose some pass rushers, though Van is no

1701
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 2: longer on, so it was.

1702
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 1: Blue as Achilles question mark about him coming back.

1703
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 2: They got rid of Emmanuel Ogba, and as I said,

1704
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:15,879
Speaker 2: Andrew Van Ginkles playing else.

1705
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 1: Leatu Latu would be a huge boost for that front,

1706
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 1: defensive front.

1707
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:24,000
Speaker 2: And they'd both be out of UCLA because that's where

1708
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:27,719
Speaker 2: Jalen Phillips came out of then went down to Miami

1709
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 2: and finished up there. So yeah, it'd be it'd be

1710
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 2: a heck of a book. And they have Bradley Chubb too,

1711
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 2: so they have three guys they'd be running through. I

1712
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 2: think they go defensive interior or offensive line at twenty one.

1713
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:43,759
Speaker 2: That's kind of what the needs are for the Dolphins,

1714
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:45,559
Speaker 2: So just kind of hope they do that.

1715
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna get a chance to talk about it tomorrow.

1716
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 1: It's coming up.

1717
01:29:49,520 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 2: We're getting one day closer. We'll see you tomorrow at one.

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Speaker 5: He fi