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Speaker 1: very fortunate, you know, Bill, and thinking about that because

429
00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,640
Speaker 1: it is hard for I mean, you just don't see

430
00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,280
Speaker 1: people stay with one team. How rare is it to

431
00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,040
Speaker 1: have that kind of loyalty not only from you to

432
00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,200
Speaker 1: the team, but from the team to yourself. I think

433
00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,679
Speaker 1: it's a testament to the Ford family, to Mr Ford,

434
00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,720
Speaker 1: to Mrs Ford and what they value in their employees,

435
00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:32,359
Speaker 1: the loyalty and the work ethic. And um, I really

436
00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,400
Speaker 1: am indebted to the family and your right Bucky. Um

437
00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,680
Speaker 1: I remember, I think it was probably in the nineties.

438
00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:43,640
Speaker 1: We had an assistant coach and they had five children.

439
00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,480
Speaker 1: He and his wife and their kids never went to

440
00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,640
Speaker 1: the same school more than two consecutive years and they

441
00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,800
Speaker 1: had been like twelve different places. So and I will

442
00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,200
Speaker 1: say this though that UM, a number of those families,

443
00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,760
Speaker 1: those coaches that I meant, UM, you know, they were

444
00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,000
Speaker 1: tight because they had each other and uh when they

445
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,320
Speaker 1: would you know, be uprooted. I think there were some

446
00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:14,000
Speaker 1: benefits to that certainly, But I I I would say

447
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,440
Speaker 1: that you know, my situation, our situation has been wonderful

448
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,679
Speaker 1: that we've been able to raise the family here in

449
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,640
Speaker 1: Michigan and call at home. Well. I want to get

450
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,040
Speaker 1: to uh your experiences around some of the all time

451
00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,520
Speaker 1: great players in the NFL physically about Barry Sanders and

452
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,320
Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson. But Bill, one of the things that I've

453
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,720
Speaker 1: learned getting to know you over the years is uh

454
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 1: just the storytelling uh that you have. You've been around

455
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 1: so many different events and markers in NFL history. UM,

456
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 1: I want to get your story on the on the

457
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,400
Speaker 1: eight seven strike, because I know you've got a good

458
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 1: story there on what took place there before we get

459
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,919
Speaker 1: into those guys about that one, okay, um And I

460
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 1: just shared this with someone the other day. We were

461
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,880
Speaker 1: talking about the eighty seven strike and there are placement

462
00:20:55,920 --> 00:21:00,040
Speaker 1: players and um as you remember the first weekend and

463
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 1: that the players went on strike. The games were canceled,

464
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 1: and then the teams had prepared for the eventuality of

465
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 1: a strike, and so every team signed essentially players off

466
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 1: the street. And um, we we ended up playing three games,

467
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 1: and UM, our second game, our third game actually was

468
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,440
Speaker 1: against Seattle at the Silver Dome. And by the third

469
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 1: week a number of regular players had crossed the picket line.

470
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 1: So a lot of teams had I mean, some teams

471
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 1: had future Hall of Fame players that had crossed the

472
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,120
Speaker 1: picket line. And we're playing in these games against strike players.

473
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 1: And we played in the Silver Dome and we're playing Seattle,

474
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 1: and Steve Largent had come across the line, and Jeff

475
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 1: Kemp the quarterback had come across the line, two regular players,

476
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 1: and UM, Chuck Knox was the head coach of Seattle.

477
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 1: And in the first half, Steve Largent had I believe

478
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 1: eight teen catches. I mean, he could have a belitter

479
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 1: aided the record books right, and every record stood. Everything

480
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 1: was historical and nature. Um. They they beat us pretty

481
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 1: bad that day, and they were up up big at halftime.

482
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 1: Into Chuck Knox's credit. UM, Steve didn't play in the

483
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 1: in the second half. So postgame press conference are head

484
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 1: coach is Darryl Rogers, and predictably one of the first

485
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:31,719
Speaker 1: questions that he gets asked is, Darryl, Uh, we noticed

486
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: that you double team Steve Largent in the first half

487
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 1: and it really didn't work. That you ever think about

488
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 1: triple team and him in darryl real deadpan, his answer

489
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:49,239
Speaker 1: was wy embarras three guys. That was his response, and UH.

490
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 1: And it was classic. And there are a lot of

491
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 1: tales from the strike like that. Um, when we brought

492
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,199
Speaker 1: the players in the first time, we met in the

493
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 1: locker room and I had put on their locker or

494
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 1: on their their benches in front of locker athletic tape

495
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: with a sharpie and I had written my I had

496
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: written on my UH tape, on my my shirt my name,

497
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: and I said, I want everybody to put your names

498
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: on there. We don't know you, We're gonna get to

499
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 1: know each other and this is how we're gonna do it.

500
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 1: So it was it was quite an experience that strike here. Look,

501
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: you you've had tremendous experiences. UM. You've seen the ups

502
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 1: and downs with the organization. You've seen a bunch of

503
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: different coaches come through. Uh was it like after you've

504
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 1: seen your team have success to see him at the

505
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 1: lowest mark, that mark where there o and sixteen and

506
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: their struggling. What a kind of the differences between either

507
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: how the leadership handles it or how the players respond

508
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 1: to the guys that are the so called leaders, right,

509
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: you know? I I remember that year so vividly, and

510
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 1: primarily not because of the the futility the record, because

511
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: of how Rod Marinelli handled it a man's man um

512
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: one of the most um impressive people I'll ever know

513
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 1: in my life, and he never made excuses. He owned

514
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: it um, We fought, and he kept the team together

515
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 1: bucky despite that reality from the beginning to the end

516
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: of that season. And what what has stuck with me

517
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: from that is the way that Rod handled it his

518
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: leadership through in the most difficult times imaginable for an

519
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: NFL head coach. And I remember walking off the field

520
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 1: with him at Green Bay the final game. We were

521
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: down big, we came back and tied the game in

522
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter against the very good Packer team. We

523
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: fought till the end, and what I what I take

524
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: from it is just Rod's integrity his character's attitude and

525
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: and the fact that the team stayed together despite what

526
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 1: we went through. And UM, that's a life lesson that

527
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: I believe everybody associated with that front, with that team

528
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 1: that year, certainly the players, UM take with them forever. Yeah,

529
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: there was no quipment team I remembered. It was a

530
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,239
Speaker 1: lot of fun weekend and week out. Just didn't then

531
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: end up getting the scoreboard where you wanted it there. Alright,

532
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: I want to get to these two great players, and

533
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: let's start with Barry Sanders. Just the uh, the first

534
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: time you met Barry Sanders, the first time he walked

535
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: through that door, and how long did it take you

536
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: before you realize, Okay, this is something different. Barry was

537
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 1: was was humble from day one. He was very quiet,

538
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: very humble. UM. And we signed him late in camp

539
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 1: and UM, and we had the opening press conference. UM,

540
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: actually after we drafted and we had our our first

541
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 1: press conference with him. And what what I was most

542
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: impressed with is we had a we had a slogan

543
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: that year UM with Wayne Fawns, Wayne's first year as

544
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: the permanent head coach, and it was restored the roar.

545
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: We wanted to restore the roar and during Barry's inductory

546
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: press conference, he said, I want to be one of

547
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: the players that helps restore the roar. So from a

548
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: PR perspective, I was like, Wow, this guy is pretty

549
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: pretty silled it um, And I didn't I didn't coach

550
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: him on that. He just he just came up with it. Um.

551
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: But he was incredibly humble, incredibly um team where he

552
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: ended and UM, I mean even that rookie year. I

553
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 1: mean he didn't play until the second half of our

554
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: first game against the against the Cardinals at the Silver Dome,

555
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: and UM, when he walked on the field, the place erupted.

556
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: It wasn't a big crowd quite honestly, but it erupted.

557
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 1: And first time he touched the ball, he goes eighteen

558
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: yards in a place just gets even louder. He scored

559
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: a touchdown in the game. We lost the game, but

560
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 1: we knew we were we were looking at greatness. And um,

561
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: as you guys may remember from that rookie year. UM,

562
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 1: we go into the final weekend and Barry his seventy

563
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: yards behind Christian Nkoya for the NFL rushing title. So

564
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: back then, technology obviously wasn't what it is today. This

565
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: is nineteen eighty nine, and we're playing in Atlanta and

566
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 1: Kansas City and Christian a Koa are playing at Miami.

567
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: So we wanted to keep track because we believed Barry

568
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: had a chance to catch a Koya for the for

569
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 1: the rushing title. So I had a separate phone line

570
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: installed in the old Fulton County press box in Atlanta

571
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: so I could talk to my counterpart, Harvey Green from

572
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: the Dolphins and get an immediate update on how a

573
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: Koya is doing in the game. Right, So I'm constantly

574
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: monitoring a Koya. You know, I obviously know what Barry's doing.

575
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: We went up on Atlanta like thirty one seven in

576
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: that game, so we had a pretty comfortable game. They

577
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: made it close at the end, but we controlled the

578
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: majority of the game. So I get the word from

579
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: Atlanta that a koy A, I think he had ninety

580
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: eight yards he's done, and Barry's close to hundred fifty.

581
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: So I'm constantly sending the information to the sidelines and

582
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: relaying it to Wayne Fonts, who wanted to know. And

583
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: then as the story goes, we're up. You know, in

584
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, Barry was at a hundred and fifty

585
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 1: eight yards, ten yards behind the ko A ten yards

586
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 1: and Wayne is talking to him on the sideline and buried.

587
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: He says, you know what, I played enough. Let's Tony

588
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: Paige are backup running back. Let him go in and

589
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 1: he deserves a chance to play in the game. Um wow, Right. So,

590
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: as it turned out, Barry finished ten yards behind Christian Koy.

591
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: But what people probably don't remember, and I'll think about this,

592
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: Barry did that on ninety fewer carries than a Koyer

593
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: and he was only ten yards. But the one, aside

594
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: from just everybody being astounded at at this humble superstar,

595
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: what happened after the game? And again, technology and communication

596
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: was no Twitter, no social media, none of that back then.

597
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: But some way, somehow, there was this this buzz that

598
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: we took Barry out of the game so he couldn't

599
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: get a bonus for leading the league in Russian and

600
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: this and that CBS did the game. The producer is, um,

601
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: you know all over me about this information. I said, no,

602
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: Barry didn't. He took himself out. It was legit, And

603
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: so they weren't believing it. So they were going to

604
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: go on the postgame show with some story suggesting that

605
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: maybe you know, there was more to it than than appeared.

606
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: And I literally had to get Barry out of the

607
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: shower in the stadium in the locker room so he

608
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: could come out and tell the producer, No, that's what happened.

609
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: I wanted my teammate to get some playing time because

610
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: he deserved it. Yeah, that's unbelievable. I mean, and how

611
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: fortunate are you to not only see a great player

612
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: like Barry Sanders, but to have another generational talent and

613
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson right to kind of show up. And what

614
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: was it like watching Kelvin Johnson kind of grow into

615
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: the mega star that he became an a Nastal Football league.

616
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: I'll go back to UM to the the draft weekend,

617
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: Calvin's draft weekend, UM and the draft was on Saturday,

618
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: the first the first round was on Saturday that day,

619
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: two thousand seven, and UM we bring him in on

620
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: Sunday for the press conference. UM and the Tigers were

621
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: hosting the White Sox in a big series that weekend.

622
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: The games were sold out, so you know that we

623
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: have the press conference. And I had mentioned to Calvin

624
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: when I had talked to him the day before after

625
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: we drafted a if he'd be interested in throwing out

626
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: the first pitch at Comerica Park, and um, he said sure, sure, Um,

627
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: so we made arrangements. I actually brought in a couple

628
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: of gloves from home, thinking he might want to warm

629
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: up a little bit, right, you know, just want him

630
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: to look at it. I don't want to have him

631
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: on Sports Center that night, you know, throwing the ball. Uh,

632
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: catcher's head right. So I get with him and uh,

633
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: I suggest, you know you, One of warm says no,

634
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: I'm good. Okay, So one of my assistants takes him

635
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: to Comerica. I stayed back because we're still doing the draft,

636
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: and Calvin takes no warm ups. And normally for the

637
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: first pitch you go in front of the mount. He

638
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: walks right up to the mount and fires a fastball,

639
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: and the whole place I guess just went WHOA. I mean,

640
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: because Calvin was an exceptional baseball player, but he fired

641
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: it right over the plate. Um and uh, so you

642
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: knew this this guy had some special gifts. Um. Uh.

643
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: I also remember his his rookie year one play that

644
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: stood out. Um, and this was sort of the Beauty

645
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: and the Beast. I I think, as I as I

646
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: recall that we were playing a game at Philadelphia and

647
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: John Kitten it was a quarterback, and threw a go

648
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: route to him, and I swear Calvin was six ft

649
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: off the ground parallel to the surface, and he came

650
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,719
Speaker 1: right down on his back. And I thought, you know,

651
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: his physical gifts, his God given physical gifts, are such

652
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: that he's going to be able to do things that

653
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: no one else can do. And unfortunately put him in

654
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: positions like that because there were two or three defenders

655
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: on him and they took him to the ground and

656
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: he laid there for a while and and uh and

657
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: hurt his back. Um that his his physical ability was

658
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: just remarkable for a guy that size, that that big,

659
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: that's strong, that fast. Well, you mentioned I want to

660
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: get to the humility aspect of it, because it's so

661
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: unusual to talk about Barry Sanders the humble he was, obviously,

662
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: but calvit Johnson in a position that really you don't

663
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: see a lot of guts with that type of humility.

664
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: But just use a little insight there what Calvin was

665
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: like away from the football field. Well, and and this

666
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: is this is a personal story because it involved my sons,

667
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: But um, I think it was two thousand twelve the Tigers.

668
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: Again we're talking baseball. The Tigers have a Negro League

669
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: celebration weekend and they invited Calvin down to participate in

670
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: some of the activities and um, to honor the Negro

671
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: leagues of baseball, and part of it, you know, was

672
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: going to include throwing out the first pitch again but Kelvin, Um,

673
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: Calvin actually wanted to go down early and take some VP.

674
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: So we go down and we get there early, and

675
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: of course seeing him next to mcguel Cabrera was some

676
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: of the Tiger players was pretty amazing because Cabrera is

677
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 1: one of the biggest baseball players in the majors and

678
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: Calvin was towering over him. Um. But you know, had

679
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: a good interaction in the locker room with the guys,

680
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: and then uh, he goes take some VP hits one

681
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: out of America, so he gets his home run and

682
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: then throws out the first pitch. Would have you. So

683
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: the Tigers gave us a suite for the game, and

684
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: Calvin had invited some of his teammates to join him

685
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: at the game and for the celebration. Well. For actually,

686
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: I was able to have my two sons come down

687
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: and a couple of their friends. So it turned out

688
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: that the Pirates or the Tigers were playing. The Pirates.

689
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: Justin Verlander's pitching, and I've had a long day, so

690
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: I leave in about the third inning. I get home

691
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: and very Lander's pitching a no hitter, and it's the

692
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 1: fifth inning, sixth inning, seventh inning, eighth inning. And I'm

693
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: so excited because my sons are gonna get to see

694
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: a no hitter by Justin Verlander, one of the greatest

695
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: pitchers of all time. So I had planned to go

696
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: home and you know, go to sleep early, but I

697
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: stay up because I want to see my boys when

698
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: they come home to talk about this. You you know,

699
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: saw history tonight. As it turned out, the no hitter

700
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: was broken up in the ninth inning, but still a

701
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: remarkable game, sold off, crowd, the energy, the fans going

702
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: crazy on every pitch. Um. So they come home and

703
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: I'm so excited, and before I could say a word,

704
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: they tell me, Dad, you can't believe how nice Calvin was.

705
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: He sat between us at the game and talk to

706
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: us the whole night about what we were doing, about college,

707
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: about school, about their career aspirations. So here's a guy

708
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: who sists with my sons and their friends and the

709
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: entire game engages with them to such a degree that

710
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: my kids didn't even talk about the almost no hitter.

711
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: They're talking about Kelvin Johnson, a superstar taking such an

712
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: interest in a couple of young they were. They were

713
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: in college at the time, college students, And that's the

714
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: type of humble superstar he was. He really, you know,

715
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: cared about people, and Barry obviously was the same way.

716
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 1: I have a number of you know, it's also stories

717
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 1: about him and his his humble approach, and I'll gladly

718
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: share one of those with you if you if you

719
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: give me, give me a Berry story here. It's just

720
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: like I feel like I'm by the fireside right now.

721
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 1: I swear this is the best part of this career,

722
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: just the memories and the stories. But um, I got

723
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: two great, great Barry stories. Um the story about his

724
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: humble approach. Um. We were playing in London in in

725
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: the preseason that was the old American Bowl Series, and

726
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: we're playing the Cowboys in August of and we're over

727
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: there for an entire week and we're staying at the

728
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: Intercontinental Hotel, Hotel downtown London and what we had done

729
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: our organization, we had created a pin for every member

730
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: of our traveling party to wear at all times, sort

731
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: of like a press pin you might get into super

732
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: Bowl or whatever, but it was to identify every member

733
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: of our traveling party. Um you know that. That's why

734
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: we created the pin. And this was players, coaches, staff, media.

735
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: We had media travel with us, all the team executives, everybody.

736
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,439
Speaker 1: So the other thing we did was the London hard

737
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: Rock Cafe was right around the corner, about a block

738
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: away from the hotel, and back then the London hard

739
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: Rock was the hard rock That's where everybody wanted to

740
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: go to get your T shirt from the London hard

741
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: Rock Cafe. And as we learned prior to the trip

742
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: that it was impossible to get in there. The line stretched,

743
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: you know, a city block. But we made an arrangement

744
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: with the management there that members of our party didn't

745
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: have to wait in line. They could go to the

746
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: front of the line if they had their pen on.

747
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: So another reason why we wanted everybody to wear their pins.

748
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: So it was the Friday night before we played on

749
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: Sunday played the Cowboys that Sunday. It was a Friday

750
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: night and two or three of our beat writers, reporters

751
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: from the Detroit papers. Um, we're going to go to

752
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: the hard rock. So they had their pens on right,

753
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: So they turned a corner and the lines forever but

754
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: they got their pens on. So they're going right to

755
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: the front of the line. So, as they told me

756
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: the story, they they're walking and about halfway down the line,

757
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: guess who standing narrow by himself? Very sandy, yeah, and

758
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: Barry being you know, very proper, he's got his pen

759
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: on right. So the reporters see Barry and hey, Barry,

760
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: how are you doing? You know. They have a little

761
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: exchange and they go, Barry, you got your pin on? Hey,

762
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: we we can go to the front line. You don't

763
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: have to wait in line. You know, we got our

764
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: pins on, that's the deal. And he sort of, you know,

765
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: shakes his head and yeah, okay, uh, you know what,

766
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: that's okay. I'll just stand here like everybody else and wait.

767
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: And he stood there and they went to the front

768
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: of the line. But I mean, think about that. I

769
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: don't know that I would have done that, honestly. Um,

770
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: But so that that just shows how humble he was.

771
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: He didn't want the special treatment. He stood there and

772
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: probably waited another hour to get in to the hard rock. UM.

773
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: And but yeah, I think my my favorite. I don't

774
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: know if it's my favorite Barry story. It's hard to

775
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: say you have a favorite. But Bucky will appreciate this,

776
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: I know, being a former player. So it was the

777
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: end of our ninety six season, and it was a

778
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: rough year. It ended up being Wayne Fonts's final season.

779
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: We started out four and two, but then would only

780
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: win one game the rest of the year and things

781
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: that were going south. Um, and it ended up being

782
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: Wayne's last year. So we're playing, uh, San Francisco on

783
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: a Monday night. Um, We're practicing on Friday, We're leaving

784
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: on Saturday. We're going on two days in advance. And

785
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: this is the last week of December. And I get

786
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: a call from Associated Press in New York that Barry

787
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: has been another unanimous selection to the All Protein So

788
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: they're going to announce the All Pro team later that afternoon.

789
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: So Dave Goldberg from a P asked me if I

790
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: could get a couple of quotes from Barry UM so

791
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: they could use it in their story when they When

792
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: they ran the story, on that year's all protein, and

793
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: I said, of course, I'll get Barry. We're about to

794
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: start practice. Let me see what I can. If I

795
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: can get him before practice, I will, Otherwise I'll get

796
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: him after practice. I run down the locker room and uh,

797
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: it's close to the start of practice. I tell Barry

798
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: what's going on. He said, see me right after practice.

799
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: You know, I'll give you whatever you need. So practice ends.

800
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: I'm I'm tending to Wayne Fonts and his media obligations

801
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: for about ten fifteen minutes. After practice, I go back

802
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: into the locker room and by this time, I swear

803
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: half the players were already gone. Okay, it was the

804
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: last practice at the Silvernome that season. It was a

805
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 1: rough year. Guys just wanted to get out of there. Um,

806
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: Barry's clothes are still in his locker, but I can't

807
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: find him. I go to the any room. He's not

808
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: getting treatment for anything. I peek in the meeting rooms.

809
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: You can't find him. So I'm thinking, is he doing

810
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: any interviews that I wasn't awareness. I go back out

811
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: onto the field. Now this is inside the Silver Dome

812
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: and there's nobody on the field, so I'm thinking, Okay,

813
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: maybe he forgot. Um. Barry could be absent minded at times. Um.

814
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: So I'm standing in the tunnel in the Silver Dome

815
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: and I'm just thinking, okay, I'm gonna have to drive

816
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: over to his house. Maybe I'm not sure. Um, even

817
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: though his clothes were still in the locker, he may

818
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: have just decided to leave. Um. So, for some reason,

819
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: we had a weight room that was off the tunnel,

820
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: under the stands before you went out onto the field

821
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: at the Silver Dome. So something, you know, I don't

822
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: know what it was, caused me to open that door.

823
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: So I opened the door of the weight room and

824
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: I hear the weights clanking in there. I turned a

825
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: corner and there's one player in there, one player, Barry Sanders,

826
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: And he sees me and he says, okay, okay, give

827
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: me a half hour. I just want to get a

828
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 1: little I want to get a lift in. I want

829
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: to get a work on it. Okay. So I go

830
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: back up to my office, come down, probably five minutes later,

831
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: go to the locker room, which is dark. Now there's

832
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: nobody there closer stilling the locker. Okay. Um. So I

833
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: go to the weight room and then I'm starting to panic.

834
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: Because the weight room is dark too. It's dark, and

835
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh, he forgot So I go

836
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: back out into the tunnel and I'm just sort of thinking, Okay,

837
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to drive over this hus blah blah blah.

838
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: But now, just like before with the weight room, I

839
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: get some kind of premonition or some you know, pope

840
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: to go out onto the field. Okay, now, if you

841
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: can visualize this, this is the last week of December.

842
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: As I said, it's a cold, gray Michigan day. Um

843
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: and by this time, all the lights were out in

844
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: the Silver Dome except for a ring of safety lights,

845
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: so it almost had like a spaceship type effect when

846
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: you walked in there. So I opened the door. It's

847
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: dark again except for the lights, and at about the

848
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: fifty yard line there's a single solitary figure running Gassers

849
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: by Sanders. And I'm getting chills as I tell you this,

850
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: like I knew every time I tell you, because this

851
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: is greatness. This is greatness. Nobody's watching, And that's what

852
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: they say, a true a true measure of character is

853
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: when no one's watching, and nobody was watching, and he's

854
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: getting to workout and he gets a lift and he's

855
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: running sprints. He sees me waves and I just wait

856
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: there and I just think there's no way to really

857
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,439
Speaker 1: describe this, because that's greatness that that, you know, it's

858
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: not a coincidence that he's as great as he he was.

859
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: And then the PostScript to that story, we go out

860
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: to San Francisco and Barry is a hundred and sixty

861
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: yards behind um Terrell Davis for the NFL Rushing League.

862
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: Tarrell had had played on Sunday. So Barry we go

863
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 1: into the games a hundred and sixty yards behind him.

864
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: The forty Niners going into that game had the NFC's

865
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: number one rushing defense, Right, Okay, so what's gonna happen.

866
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: It's predictable, right, Barry puts a hundred and seventy five

867
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: on them, including one you guys have seen the highlighted.

868
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: It was at four yard run where he did a

869
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: one eighties, spun around and went to distance. But yeah,

870
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: I mean that that's something I'll never forget about Barry.

871
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: The work ethic, you know, just the approach and and

872
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: just the way he was very special, very special Bill

873
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 1: that I cannot thank you enough, not only just getting

874
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: to hear these stories and our listeners getting to hear them.

875
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: But man, when I get a chance to speak with kids,

876
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: that is a Barry Sanders story that I promise you,

877
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: Bucky you'll be doing with his train as well as

878
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: a high school coach. But get a chance to share

879
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: that with kids. There's a reason why guys are as

880
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: successful as guys like Barry Sanders. Bill, thank you so

881
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: much of your time, and we we still appreciate it. Yeah,

882
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, DJ, thank you, Bucky. Alright, black

883
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: fun to catch up with with Bill Man, that's ah,

884
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,439
Speaker 1: It's commendable. And in a day where so many people

885
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: are switching jobs and bouncing all over the place, he

886
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: has been with that same team since nineteen five. Pretty incredible. Well,

887
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you think about that. I think about the

888
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: loyalty that has been shown on both sides, the fact

889
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: that he never pursued other jobs, the fact that they

890
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: never looked for someone who can have them, the fact

891
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: that they were able to get it right. And so

892
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: that's how it's supposed to be. Like if football is

893
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: really about me and a family, it's about being able

894
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: to be together half grown man conversation to do all

895
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: those things. So it is terrific to have him being

896
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: able to share those stories to let us kind of

897
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: get a glimpse of what's going on in that Lions family. Um,

898
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: the way that he is able to kind of just

899
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: articulate some of the history, uh, to me, it was tremendous. Yeah,

900
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: good to catch up with him on that thought there

901
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: on the Lions. I thought it would be fun, um

902
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: just talking about two of the all time great players

903
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: when you when you think about Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson,

904
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: So I don't we don't have anybody in the game

905
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: right now that comparis to either one of them. They

906
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: were so dynamic and so special. But I thought it'd

907
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: be fun just to say who who do you think

908
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: is the closest thing we have to these two players?

909
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: Let's start with Barry Sanders. Just in today's football, buck,

910
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: is there anybody that you see just a little hint,

911
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: a little uh, a little glimpse there Barry Sanders, Um,

912
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: you know, I can see a little bit of it

913
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 1: in Christian McCaffrey. Christian McCaffrey is a better pass catcher,

914
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 1: He is better um doing things outside of the backfield.

915
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: In Barry Sanders, was, but I like the juice, the

916
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: suddenness to stop, star quickness, and the ability to take

917
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: it the distance. Christian McCaffrey is underrated in my estimation.

918
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: I don't believe he necessarily needs to rate um right

919
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: at the Barry Sanders level. But he's a terrific young

920
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: player with all kinds of uh gadgets and gimmicks that

921
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: make it very, very tough to slow him down. I

922
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: like the fact that McCaffrey is fully utilized in this

923
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 1: offense in Carolina. Yeah. The challenge trying to find somewhere

924
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: like Barry Sanders, though, is the is the unique body type.

925
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a fire plug the way he was built,

926
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: and you know the one I came up with. And

927
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: there is nobody close but Dalvin Cook, who was a

928
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: little bit lower to the ground. Um, who's who's got

929
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: some of that same shiftiness. Barry Sanders can make you

930
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: miss the stop start quickness that he that he possesses. Ridiculous.

931
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: I see a little bit of that from Dalvin Cook.

932
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: And also a lot of home runs Berry Sanders, a

933
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: lot of home runs. Maybe negative play here or there,

934
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: but then you hit you with fifty sixty seven. I

935
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 1: think Dalvin Cook has that same type home run ability. Um,

936
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: so I would say Dalvin Cook down. Dalvin Cook hasn't

937
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: totally been immersed in the passing game. Barry Sanders was

938
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,760
Speaker 1: not is involved in the passing game. So that's why McCaffrey.

939
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: I thought about McCaffrey. But McCaffrey's just a toy. He is.

940
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: But you know what I was thinking, I was, I

941
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: was thinking Berry played. Yeah, I was thinking more so

942
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 1: just like running style, stop star, quickness in the hole,

943
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: be able to be able to kind of reverse fields

944
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: and do those things. He's the only one that strikes

945
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: me in today's game that could be even close to

946
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: even be comparable, uh to what my man was for

947
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: so long in Destroy Did you play against Barry by

948
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: the way I played agains him on a couple of

949
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 1: for an occasions. No, I didn't have Riage Star tackle

950
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: against Barry Sanders like he he he might have been

951
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: like up there, like the robbery between Green Bay and

952
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: Detroit is such a fierce rivalry there. One time I

953
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: think we went up day they obliterated us, which was unusual.

954
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: But man, if he gets going early, it's gonna be

955
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: an all day sucker. I mean, he's something. So you

956
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 1: know Matt, you know, you know, you know Matt Russell.

957
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: So Matt russells for the Denver Broncos and it was

958
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: a great, you know, college player, a great linebacker. Then

959
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: he played with the Detroit Lions. So I was on

960
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: the road um with with Russell and this is gosh,

961
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 1: this had to be maybe uh maybe like oh seven

962
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: oh eight is something like that. And you see all

963
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: the different scouts on the road. So I see Matt

964
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: and he's wearing some really nice like blue Nikes, but

965
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: they're kind of old school, uh nice, but they look

966
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: brand new. And so I'm like, russ Man, those are

967
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: some nice kicks you got there. He's like, oh yeah,

968
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: a great story on these. I go, what's that? He goes, well,

969
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: you know, Barry Sanders had just boxes Nike. He had

970
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: sent him just boxes and boxing boxes shoes. So I'm

971
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: on the team he gave him. He gave Matt like

972
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 1: just like you know, I don't know how many parents,

973
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: it was ten different pairs of these Nikes. Um. And

974
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 1: so Russell, this is like ten fifteen years later, he's

975
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: still wearing these brand new shoes because he's got so

976
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: many of them. That the Barry Sanders have just given him.

977
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: It was classic. But h no, he was an incredible,

978
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: incredible player. We really to be honest, but we have

979
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: nothing like Barry Sanders in the game right now. No nothing.

980
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: I mean, like you're talking about a guy with exceptional

981
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: stock story quickness, terrific balanced body control. Um does a

982
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: great job of creating an explosive plays Um as a

983
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: guy who was primarily a run only play and the

984
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: fact that he's able to have, I mean, is just

985
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: unbelievable that he has been able to just be a

986
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: one dimensional player but have so much success that really

987
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: speaks volumes about you greatness. All right, let's get to

988
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: get to a megatron here. Calvin Johnson. Before we get

989
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: to a comparison, I can tell you my, uh my,

990
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: my Calvin Johnson scouting story. I remember going to watch him.

991
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: They were playing against Maryland. This was Dominique Foxworth was

992
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: there at Maryland's. I was going there to watch him

993
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: and Calvin Johnson. You came out there for warm ups

994
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: and I saw Calvin Johnson. I was like, you have

995
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: got to be kidding me, And then uh, And I

996
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: hadn't seen tape on him at this point in time,

997
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 1: and I was just gonna go watch the live team

998
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: and come back and hit the tape afterwards, and I'm like, Okay,

999
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: well that's a big, good looking dude. But you know, man,

1000
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: we'll see him. He's probably like four or six guy,

1001
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: and then you see him take off off the line

1002
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: and You're like, nope, he's a four three guy and

1003
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: that six five forty pounds just an absolute freak show.

1004
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,720
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like him. You know. I wasn't

1005
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 1: scouting when Randy Moss came into the NFL. But even

1006
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: with Randy, I mean, Calvin was, what do you think

1007
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 1: thirty pounds heavier than Randy. I mean, just never said

1008
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: anything like him. You know. It's it's it's tough because

1009
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: the Calvin Johnson that I remember is the one that

1010
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 1: is a dominant player. He's unguardable and thinking about being

1011
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: granted like two wishes. When you can have like a

1012
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: Kelvin like Calvin Johnson in the barrier centers, I really

1013
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: know which one you side. But in terms of Calvin

1014
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 1: Johnson in the league, it's tough because there's no one

1015
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 1: that has that that that size, that physicality, the playmaking ability.

1016
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: I would say, a younger the Marius Thomas with in

1017
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: a way remind me of that, but he wasn't as

1018
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: natural catching the ball um same school, you know, like

1019
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: going going all the way back, maybe like Herman More

1020
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: when he played in Detroit, like simm I know, I

1021
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: know he couldn't the young Herman More that I played

1022
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: against in colleges that I just don't know if I've

1023
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: seen anybody do this stuff that Calvin, Like, I don't

1024
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: know who can you find that six five that runs

1025
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: sub four four and lights it up and can catch

1026
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: the ball off the top of the backboard or out

1027
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: run you on a vertical rod like I think that's

1028
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: what truly makes Calvin Johnson special. Man. I just can't

1029
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: look around me. But Julio is two inches about two

1030
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: inches shorter. Julio is a good six three and change,

1031
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: So I think there's probably two inches difference there, maybe

1032
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: inch and a half. I have to go back and

1033
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: look at the combine stuff. But that to me, Julio

1034
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: with his you know, size, speed, you know, just freakish

1035
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 1: combination there and ability to run after the catchability to

1036
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: get on top of coverage, that to me is the

1037
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: closest thing that we have, you know, Mike Evans with

1038
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: some of those balls, some of the ball skills that

1039
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: Calvin had um. But Mike Evans is a four or

1040
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,959
Speaker 1: five guy, you know, so there's not that same top

1041
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: speed that you have with Calvin Johnson. So it's again

1042
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: this time it's hard. It's hard to find. It's hard

1043
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: to find someone that can come in and play that style,

1044
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 1: to be seeing it up one on one and to

1045
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: dominate it like that. It dominated with your size, your speed,

1046
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: your physicality, you toughness. He can do it all. Then

1047
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's just I mean, I don't know,

1048
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: it's kind of fresh. When we talk about both of

1049
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: these guys, Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson, the way that

1050
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: they acted and conducting themselves are exactly how you want

1051
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: them guys to be. All right, let's get to some

1052
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: college here. Uh. To me, Ohio State was kind of

1053
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 1: the big story from this last weekend outside of your

1054
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: your tar heels almost winning the ball game, but justin fields.

1055
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 1: Geoffrey olkuta Um two players justin fields, obviously not draft eligible.

1056
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: We've talked about him though for the future and himself

1057
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: from him your take on him as well as Jeffrey

1058
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: Coudo got a couple of picks in that game, was

1059
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 1: one of the best corners in the in the country.

1060
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 1: Well I tweeted this out on Saturday after watching Justin

1061
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 1: Fields USh in Nebraska that when it's all said and done,

1062
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: Fields is gonna be the belle of the ball when

1063
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Speaker 1: it comes to that quarterback market. Um. He is a

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Speaker 1: guy who has a rare combination of size, strength, armtown, athleticism,

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Speaker 1: movement skills. He has all of it right there. And

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Speaker 1: then when you think about building an offensive around somebody,

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Speaker 1: you can use your first and maybe your second on

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Speaker 1: someone who can alleviate the pressure on him. My thing

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Speaker 1: with Justin Fields has been watching him play for Ryan

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Speaker 1: Day and watching him get into some of these pro

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Speaker 1: style things like some of the one personnel, some of

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Speaker 1: the twelve personnel and allowing him to kind of play

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Speaker 1: really as a quarterback and not as an athlete playing quarterback.

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Speaker 1: When you look at this can better to drive and

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Speaker 1: how he's gotten better and better and better each week.

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Speaker 1: I think by the end of the season we can

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Speaker 1: be talking about a guy who has very very special

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Speaker 1: numbers and who is going to be considered a special

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Speaker 1: project prospect. Yeah, and and so people, if you aren't

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Speaker 1: listening carefully there, Buck, what you're saying is that Trevor

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Speaker 1: Lawrence and all the buzz about Trevor Lawrence same class,

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Speaker 1: Justin Fields is at the end of the day, is

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Speaker 1: gonna end up surpassing Trevor Lawrence. I think. So, I

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Speaker 1: think I go back to that, I go back to

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Speaker 1: the lane eleven. I go back to watching them up

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Speaker 1: there at the opening, and Uh, as good as Trevor

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Speaker 1: Lawrence was, Justin Fields was the dude there. Everybody came

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Speaker 1: into that week talking about Trevor Lawrence, and um, I

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Speaker 1: was up there watched all the seven on seven stuff,

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Speaker 1: and I know it's not real football at seven on seven,

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Speaker 1: but just watching a taste, he was a better player

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Speaker 1: in that setting. Man, But you get a taste of

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Speaker 1: what he is and what he's all about. And I

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00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: think that's the thing, and I think that's what more

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Speaker 1: people who begin to appreciate. And I know he has

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Speaker 1: some issues that at Georgia, whatever people may alleged him

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00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: to be or whatever, is like, but there were some

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Speaker 1: things about maturity and like and I understand all that.

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Speaker 1: It's hard being a star in like an area that's

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Speaker 1: close to your hometown is hard, Nanna. He's away from

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Speaker 1: all that now is able to focus ball and get

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Speaker 1: it down. I think you're going to see the guy

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Speaker 1: that we thought that we would see coming in high school.

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Speaker 1: He is just a very impressive, impressive thrower, and I

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Speaker 1: think they can put him in a situation where they

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Speaker 1: find a way to create easy opportunities from him to

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Speaker 1: have an impact on the game. Well, I've got some

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Speaker 1: good news for every NFL fan of a crappy team.

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00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: There's a couple of reasons why your team is crappy.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess one of them is probably you're not

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Speaker 1: getting great quarterback play. We've got some quarterback depth coming

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Speaker 1: up in this upcoming draft classes. You're gonna have some

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Speaker 1: options there. But the other thing, and I mentioned it earlier,

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Speaker 1: there are so many, i mean, just awful offensive lines,

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Speaker 1: and nine times at attend it starts on the edges

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Speaker 1: where they just don't have tackle play. This is shaping

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Speaker 1: up to be a very good group of tackles in

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Speaker 1: the upcoming draft. And I had a chance to watch

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Speaker 1: a bunch of these guys. Uh A name to keep

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Speaker 1: an eye on, Mackay Belton. Uh or Beckton Sorry from Louisville,

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00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: who's a big, hulking Trent Brown two point oh type player. Um,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna start. He's gonna be a really good player.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas, uh, probably the best of the bunch at

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Speaker 1: this point in time from Georgia. He got another Georgia tackle,

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Wilson, who's gonna be a good NFL starter. I

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Speaker 1: watched a kid at boise ezrac Cleveland. Um, a nice

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Speaker 1: second round type guy. Austin Jackson from USC's a borderline uh,

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Speaker 1: potentially a first round type player. And there's a you know,

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Speaker 1: you've got Trey Adams from Washington who's a good player. Um,

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Speaker 1: we've got kids at Alabama. Alex Ledwood is probably gonna

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00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: kick inside and play guard. But the other tackle there

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00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 1: is a really good player. And Jederick Willis Walker little

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00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: has been hurt at Stanford. He's gonna miss the season.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what his decision is. He's an NFL starter.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of quality offensive tackles. Um that

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Speaker 1: that they're much needed when you look at the bad

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Speaker 1: teams in the NFL. I think that's good news for them. Yeah,

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00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 1: they're must needed. But I'm gonna say you talk about

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Speaker 1: them being in demand for the offensive guys. I believe

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Speaker 1: as there's such a demand, I think you'll see it

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00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: also working counter like there are a lot of pass rushers,

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00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: like teams are just gonna cover the passwords because that's

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00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: the only way to really disruptive. And So we've talked

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00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: about this guy numerous times on the podcast, but Chase times,

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00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: to me, the more I look at him to more,

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Speaker 1: I just kind of fall in love with his overall

1147
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: Chase Young like, his overall ability, his ability to come

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Speaker 1: off to edge. He plays with power, he plays with

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Speaker 1: the physicality and toughness that you want to see. And

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Speaker 1: more importantly, he's a finisher, So there's a value to

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00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: being able to get the quarterback down. And I know

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Speaker 1: people have a tendency to just kind of fall in

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00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: love with the flashes. This dude flashes and flashes and

1154
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,919
Speaker 1: flashes so much so that he's gonna spark a fire.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a terrific prospect. I'm excited to watch

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Speaker 1: him continue to play against big time competition. Yeah, no doubt,

1157
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: he's a big time, big time dude. So we've got

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Speaker 1: running back depth in this this draft We've talked about

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Speaker 1: that previously. I feel good about the corner group. That's

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00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: really good. We've got quarterback group. All of a sudden,

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00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: you start kind of putting the pieces together as you

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Speaker 1: continue to watch more and more of these positions, more

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00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: and more of these players. Uh, the receiver group has

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Speaker 1: got a chance to be outstanding. When you look at

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00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: Judy and Channault and all the Alabama kids, rugs um,

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Speaker 1: it is a really really good group. Maybe the most

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Speaker 1: surprising thing is Davante Smith from Alabama with the other

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Speaker 1: two studs, the numbers he's been posting. Um. But it

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00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: is a good, good draft with a lot of depth

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Speaker 1: thus far, that early look we have at draft, which

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Speaker 1: is good news. If you're a fan of the Miami Dolphins,

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Speaker 1: I can promise you that you got a bunch of

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Speaker 1: picks and you've got a bunch of options. All right.

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Speaker 1: Buck Football is back. Watch live local man primetime NFL

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Speaker 1: What are you working on this week? Buck? Anything good man,

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00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to put together, but I know there's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a section on Garner Minshew. This his explosion,

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00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: his uh rise up the ladder is something that has

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00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: made me go back and reevaluate the way that I

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Speaker 1: look at quarterbacks. I think I have to come up

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00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: with another formula to figure out which quarterbacks can playing

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00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: which ones will be really really good as a pro.

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Speaker 1: Al Right, well, speaking of that, I've got an article

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Speaker 1: that's gonna post on NFL dot com here shortly on

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00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: the top twenty five rookies through the first quarter of

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Speaker 1: the season. Spoiler alert, Buck number one on the list.

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00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew, how about that? Throw him number one? Look,

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Speaker 1: it's been the most impressive what he's done for that team.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I'm gonna see if you're a fan of

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Speaker 1: the Giants, you're gonna feel good about this list. The

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00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers well represented on this list, so I'll

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Speaker 1: be on the lookout for that NFL dot Com. I

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Speaker 1: the podcast, and again if you have any questions for us,

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