Speaker 1: Everybody.
Speaker 2: It's Thursday, February thirteenth, twenty twenty five. Welcome to the
Speaker 2: NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. We come up with some of
Speaker 2: these things on the fly. It's me and your man,
Speaker 2: NAMG Marcus Grand joined by Michael Florio and Lakwan Jones.
Speaker 2: All Right, I don't even know where to start the show.
Speaker 2: Lakwan you you just came back from New Orleans. I hear,
Speaker 2: tew you are turning right back around and heading back
Speaker 2: down to the Big easy.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll be heading back to New Orleans next week.
Speaker 4: I leave Tuesday for the HBCU Legsy Bull, which is
Speaker 4: gonna be fun. Get to hang with Bucky Brooks, Charles Davis,
Speaker 4: Michael Yaman. Of course, my guy is Steve Weisch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear.
Speaker 2: Look, if there's a guy that you want to hang
Speaker 2: out in New Orleans with, it is Steve Weisch.
Speaker 1: I hear. He knows all the spots.
Speaker 3: It's the mayor.
Speaker 1: It's kind of the mayor.
Speaker 2: He knows those spots, especially to go eat, which is
Speaker 2: saying a lot because there's a lot of great restaurants there,
Speaker 2: so it's like no, especially the spots to go eat.
Speaker 3: It's like a superpower, oh superpower for row.
Speaker 4: You eat good the entire time with Steve like he
Speaker 4: knows all the breakfast spots, lunch spots, night night gap.
Speaker 3: It's great.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 3: I gotta hit hit Steve up. I'm throwing a bachelor
Speaker 3: party for my friend in New Orleans this summer. I've
Speaker 3: never been, so yo, let's let's go. I need to
Speaker 3: get Steve to give me all the all the recommendations.
Speaker 1: It is a good town now.
Speaker 2: I know you don't like seafood though, Florios that might
Speaker 2: make it a little difficult.
Speaker 1: Still, plenty of places to eat.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna send all my friends to places with seafood
Speaker 3: and I'll just be eating like wings or burgers or
Speaker 3: something like that. There you go, There you go.
Speaker 1: That's cool.
Speaker 2: There's plenty of good stuff like that too. So for sure,
Speaker 2: season's over. I know a lot of folks are turning
Speaker 2: their attention to next year. You know, I know, mock
Speaker 2: drafts and those sorts of things are open. In fact,
Speaker 2: we're gonna do a mock draft, which I do one
Speaker 2: every month, and we'll recap it on the show.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna start doing that really really soon. But
Speaker 1: we figured it's a good.
Speaker 2: Time to kind of start talking about rankings. Right, it's February.
Speaker 2: I get it, it's way too early. Things that we
Speaker 2: have now are probably going to shift quite a bit
Speaker 2: by the time we get to July and August.
Speaker 1: But it's a good starting spot, right.
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about some of our similarities, our differences, guys,
Speaker 2: we think that maybe making the leap and that sort
Speaker 2: of thing, you know, And then you know, I have
Speaker 2: some nonsense at the end of the show, because why not.
Speaker 2: But a little bit of an update on something we
Speaker 2: talked about earlier in the week, and that is the
Speaker 2: Jets have officially announced that they've informed Aaron Rodgers that
Speaker 2: they're moving in different directions. I guess, Florial it was
Speaker 2: sort of speculation previously, or not speculation, but it was
Speaker 2: leaked that the Jets had talked to Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Now the Jets are admitting that they talked.
Speaker 2: To Aaron Rodgers and said that's I think we should
Speaker 2: break up.
Speaker 1: It's not me, it's you.
Speaker 2: Whatever it is that they said to Aaron Rodgers, go
Speaker 2: enjoy starting a podcast or hanging out with Pat McAfee. Whatever.
Speaker 2: What do the Jets do at quarterback now? That Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers has moved on.
Speaker 3: I don't think their quarterback of the Jets this season
Speaker 3: is on the roster yet. Like, I think they're going
Speaker 3: to be big players in Sam Donald's sweepstakes, because the
Speaker 3: story kind of writes itself right, like he comes home,
Speaker 3: Aaron Glenn comes home to fix the Jets. Sam Donald
Speaker 3: comes home to fix the Jets.
Speaker 1: They could.
Speaker 3: I know a lot of my Jet fan friends want
Speaker 3: them to take a quarterback in round two maybe like
Speaker 3: like if you wears falls or something like that, like
Speaker 3: whoever is the one that falls? But I think free
Speaker 3: agency in the draft is where they're going to figure
Speaker 3: things out. Look, I'm usually the Jets basher. I want
Speaker 3: to give them kudos here though, because the reports are that,
Speaker 3: like they told Aaron Rodgers, we will have you back,
Speaker 3: but you need to be here every day at mini camp.
Speaker 3: No more going on Pat McAfee, no more documentaries and
Speaker 3: causing distractions and stuff. And Aaron Rodgers ain't gonna be
Speaker 3: there next year. So it tells you which way his
Speaker 3: priorities were leaning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2: The whole thing is just it was a disaster and
Speaker 2: I remember last year we had Judy Batista on the show,
Speaker 2: and one of the things I asked her was are
Speaker 2: the Jets eventually going to regret getting into bed with
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers? And her response was, well, if they win, no,
Speaker 2: you know, like they brought him in to compete to win,
Speaker 2: to try to win a super Bowl, and if that happens,
Speaker 2: then absolutely not. They got nowhere near it. They didn't
Speaker 2: make the playoffs, they didn't get anywhere near a super
Speaker 2: Bowl with Aaron Rodgers, to the point that apparently Woody
Speaker 2: Johnson wanted to pull the plug midway during the season.
Speaker 2: His son was lamenting the lack of Madden ratings. I
Speaker 2: guess across certain positions, I would wonder, now do they
Speaker 2: regret the move? And I'll never say, at least not publicly,
Speaker 2: but you got to wonder whether or not, you know,
Speaker 2: they regret this because it really has set them back
Speaker 2: I don't know, three four five years now. Yeah, having
Speaker 2: gone all in on Aaron Rodgers, I know we're gonna
Speaker 2: do rankings in a little bit and you know, obviously
Speaker 2: Breeze Hall, Garrett Wilson, interesting names. Does this situation, Lakwan,
Speaker 2: does this turmoil? Has that changed the way you feel
Speaker 2: about Wilson, Hall, et cetera.
Speaker 4: Wilson, yes, Reese Hal not so much. He's like kind
Speaker 4: of unaffected with his role of just being a good player.
Speaker 4: The lead back does set this franchise back a little bit.
Speaker 4: And you look at Garrett Wilson, he kind of looked
Speaker 4: at frustrated last season with you know, obvious you know
Speaker 4: situations around him, with Devonte Adams coming in. You know,
Speaker 4: he's still finished as a top twelve wide receiver, and
Speaker 4: you look at the situation now, it's like there's not
Speaker 4: much upside for him to like go out there and
Speaker 4: give his all to win games and stuff like, I
Speaker 4: think he might be one of the guys that wants
Speaker 4: to be moved this offseason.
Speaker 3: He could end up somewhere else.
Speaker 4: So for that, it's like I don't want a frustrated,
Speaker 4: you know, wide receiver that could play at a top level.
Speaker 4: And with all this off season circus stuff going on,
Speaker 4: it kind of makes me kind of turned off of
Speaker 4: off the radar of trying to draftgar Wilson this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so I kind of struggled with him,
Speaker 2: and like I said, we'll get to the wide receiver
Speaker 2: rankings a little bit later on.
Speaker 3: In the show.
Speaker 2: He was a guy that I kind of struggled with
Speaker 2: and I moved him around a lot in my rankings.
Speaker 2: You know, I can kind of let you know where
Speaker 2: he is a little bit later. But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Jets are the Jets. We talk about them and sometimes
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but.
Speaker 3: Because they constantly make the news.
Speaker 1: Man, I mean, that's really what it is.
Speaker 2: But it's just like it's always stuff where we're just
Speaker 2: like shrugging our shoulders and we're rolling our eyes because
Speaker 2: none of it, you know, I has had anything to
Speaker 2: do with me. Hey, the Jets are doing things like
Speaker 2: watch out for the Jets. Like it's never you know,
Speaker 2: it's always like, hey man, you see this dumb move
Speaker 2: the Jets made, or do you see what their quarterbacks say?
Speaker 1: It's just it's that and it's exhausting.
Speaker 3: You know, I love pulling salts on the wound. But oh,
Speaker 3: I know, I actually want to give the Jets a
Speaker 3: little bit of a pass here because I don't think
Speaker 3: at the time anyone thought it was like a dumb
Speaker 3: move to bring in Aaron Rodgers. We were like, look
Speaker 3: at what this defense did, Look at what Breece holl
Speaker 3: And Garrett Wilson are like they're a quarterback away from
Speaker 3: being a super Bowl team, and then it went as
Speaker 3: poorly as it could have. But I put a lot,
Speaker 3: a lot more of the blame on Aaron Rodgers here
Speaker 3: than on the Jets, because it felt like every chance
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers had to be a distraction he took, so
Speaker 3: like they kind of struck when the iron was hot,
Speaker 3: and it went as poorly as it could But I
Speaker 3: don't I don't really fault them for that.
Speaker 2: I know when he came, right when he when he
Speaker 2: when he first arrived in New York, our conversation was generally, hey, man,
Speaker 2: as long as he can be better than Zach Wilson, right,
Speaker 2: Like that was the baseline, Just be better than Zach Wilson.
Speaker 1: And it's debatable, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, I look, statistically, he was probably better than
Speaker 2: anything they got out of Zach Wilson. But in terms
Speaker 2: of like his actual impact on the club, he played
Speaker 2: his best football after they were eliminated from the playoffs.
Speaker 3: Yes, right, which is so toxic of him to go
Speaker 3: out there and.
Speaker 2: Do it when it no longer mattered, when it was
Speaker 2: not important to the Jets fortunes. Then Aaron Rodgers showed
Speaker 2: up and started playing his best football. We can debate
Speaker 2: all day long whether or not he was actually better
Speaker 2: than Zach Wilson. They won fewer games. They were seven
Speaker 2: to ten in twenty twenty three. They were five and
Speaker 2: twelve last season.
Speaker 3: So same out come, just lose.
Speaker 2: So we'll see if somebody takes a chance on him.
Speaker 2: I'm sure someone out there, some team will kick the tires.
Speaker 2: Whether or not it's going to be a situation that
Speaker 2: he wants the Titans remains to be seen. I mean,
Speaker 2: why would he they take a shout out? Why why
Speaker 2: would he want to go to the Titans. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's just that's just fading into bolivion.
Speaker 4: If he just wants to work, he stay home.
Speaker 2: There's always podcasting, there's always that public service, right, like h.
Speaker 3: Was listening, I'm not listening. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Somebody will. Somebody absolutely will. So there it is, all right,
Speaker 2: let's send up of that. Let's get into some of
Speaker 2: these rankings here. We'll do quarterbacks running backs here in
Speaker 2: this segment. Well you will do wide receivers tied into
Speaker 2: the next segment. So let's start with the quarterbacks. I
Speaker 2: figure we just go through our list of the top ten.
Speaker 2: We'll sort of figure out, you know, where these similarities are,
Speaker 2: where the differences are, and then we can kind of
Speaker 2: start the conversation from there. So, LaQuan, if you would
Speaker 2: like to hit us with your your top ten, sir,
Speaker 2: I am all ears.
Speaker 3: Oh quarterbacks who are starting with right?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: All right, all right, all right?
Speaker 4: So the top two we can interchange, and it's obviously
Speaker 4: going to be Lamar or Josh Allen.
Speaker 3: So there.
Speaker 4: I really don't care about the debate there. It could
Speaker 4: be one or two, okay, but Jaden Daniels at three,
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow, Jalen Hurt, Justin Herbert Dak Prescott, Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 4: Jarrett Golf, and Bo Nix.
Speaker 3: That's my top ten right there.
Speaker 2: All right, alright, so that's your top ten. Flora, hit
Speaker 2: me with your your top ten and we can kind of,
Speaker 2: you know, go through these.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we disagree a decent amount. I agree with you
Speaker 3: the top two and I have it Alan Lamar, but
Speaker 3: it could go anyway. I think Jayden is the clearcut three.
Speaker 3: I have Hurts at four, Joe Burrow at five, Patrick
Speaker 3: Mahomes at six. Then I went Baker Mayfield seven Kyler
Speaker 3: Murray eight, Jared Goff nine, and like you had bon
Speaker 3: Nick's at ten. I put Drake May at ten. But
Speaker 3: the names that you're missing I had, I put like
Speaker 3: a just missed, and it's like Nick's, Klob Purdy, Dak Herbert.
Speaker 3: Those are the other names I was considering in these
Speaker 3: top ten.
Speaker 2: All right, okay, So again the top two are the same.
Speaker 2: I've got Lamar one, Josh Allen two. Not gonna argue
Speaker 2: one way or another at this point. I've got Jalen
Speaker 2: Hurts at three, Joe Burrow at four. I put Jayden
Speaker 2: Daniels at five. You know, I just I'm a little
Speaker 2: bit I just want to see how defense is adjusted
Speaker 2: to him. It's sort of my thing. But he's still
Speaker 2: in my top five. Baker at six, Dak at seven,
Speaker 2: bo Nix at eight, Kyler at nine, Jared Goff at ten.
Speaker 2: So our top two are pretty much the same. I
Speaker 2: don't think there's a whole lot of conversation there. You
Speaker 2: guys have Jaden at three, I've got him at five,
Speaker 2: so we're both we're all still really high on him.
Speaker 2: Hurts is still in our top five. So our top
Speaker 2: fives are all the same, even if the names are
Speaker 2: a little bit shuffled, right, it's Laar Josh, Jalen, Burrow,
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels, a lot of J's mar Jaxson, Josh, Jalen,
Speaker 2: Joe Jaden.
Speaker 3: You don't have Mahomes in your top ten?
Speaker 1: I do not.
Speaker 2: I do not have Mahomes in my top ten? What
Speaker 2: about what about Patrick? It's not even hate? Tell me
Speaker 2: what about Patrick Mahomes makes him a top ten fantasy
Speaker 2: quarterback aside from the name on the back of his jersey?
Speaker 3: Right, well, even this year, I believe he finished tenth
Speaker 3: overall or he was close. He was close.
Speaker 1: I mean through week eighteen he was twelve.
Speaker 3: Okay to me, because I went I've spent a lot
Speaker 3: of time thinking about this one. I think Mahomes is
Speaker 3: receiving core is gonna be better next year. But outside
Speaker 3: of like this past year, Joe Burrow being way better,
Speaker 3: I was like, what is the difference between Joe Burrow
Speaker 3: and Patrick Mahomes, Like, they don't run a ton either
Speaker 3: one of them. They're they're all it's pocket passing. And
Speaker 3: I know Burrow's coming off the better year, but historically
Speaker 3: the best seasons by them have been to Mahomes, He's
Speaker 3: gonna lose t Higgins like I was going. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I can't really justify putting Mahomes too much lower, but
Speaker 3: I love to like this is spicy to me, and
Speaker 3: I know him the odd man out.
Speaker 4: Here because you had him at eight, Lakwan, I got
Speaker 4: him at eight. And I do believe that the receiver
Speaker 4: corps gets better. You get Rashid Rice back, you know,
Speaker 4: hopefully we get Hollywood back. And you've seen what Xavier
Speaker 4: Worthy has done on that back end of season, including
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. So I think more so he's still
Speaker 4: in that conversation a top ten because he still has
Speaker 4: that upside as a guy that's going to create those
Speaker 4: scoring opportunities. And it's like, yeah, he's not like a
Speaker 4: mobile quarterback like Jayden Dais or Lamar Jackson, but he
Speaker 4: still has some twitch and wiggle to him where there
Speaker 4: might be some games he gets you a couple of
Speaker 4: yards on the ground, because I think he's going to
Speaker 4: be scramming in a lot more next season without Travis
Speaker 4: Kelcey being there. So I feel like more so of
Speaker 4: that old line is still possibly a question mark because
Speaker 4: it was god awful this year. So I think we
Speaker 4: might see a more like Patrick Mahomes that he has
Speaker 4: to take over the game himself, because we saw in
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl, like I don't know if you guys
Speaker 4: saw that cliff where Travis Kelcey is just standing there
Speaker 4: like I'm wide over what he done, and Patrick's just
Speaker 4: zipping around the pocket trying to make magic and get
Speaker 4: the first down. And when you've removed tras kelce next season,
Speaker 4: I think that's why he's in that top ten conversation
Speaker 4: because the rushing upside might be there, plus better pass catchers.
Speaker 4: You know, you hope that they don't get scraps again.
Speaker 2: I think you guys are really overrating Marquise Brown.
Speaker 1: I think everybody I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think we still have stars in our eyes about
Speaker 2: the speed, about what could be koy at the end
Speaker 2: of it. He has one thousand yard season and it
Speaker 2: was just barely over one thousand yards after the first
Speaker 2: couple years of his career. Has never been a huge
Speaker 2: touchdown guy. I think we like the idea of Hollywood
Speaker 2: Brown more than the actual reality of Hollywood Brown.
Speaker 3: Some could say I think there's untapped potential here because
Speaker 3: when he was playing with the Ravens. It wasn't like
Speaker 3: he played with twenty twenty four Lamar. He was playing
Speaker 3: with early career Lamar. Where's still more of a run
Speaker 3: first quarterback stuff like that. But it's not even just
Speaker 3: him it to me, it's the assembly of parts. Like
Speaker 3: you have him, you have Xavier Worthy who should be
Speaker 3: much better than he was this year. And you ever
Speaker 3: see Rice who was looking like a breakout star in
Speaker 3: the making before he was taken away from us. So
Speaker 3: if if and then Pacheco in the backfield, like if
Speaker 3: all of these pieces stay healthy. To me, I feel
Speaker 3: like we're gonna look back at this past season. And
Speaker 3: I could easily be wrong because I said this last
Speaker 3: year at this time as well. But I feel like
Speaker 3: we're gonna look back and be like, yeah, that was
Speaker 3: the worst year statistically of Mahomes's career.
Speaker 1: Maybe.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just look at it's been It's been
Speaker 2: a couple of years now, you know. I know, Look,
Speaker 2: I get it, like this past year you mentioned all
Speaker 2: the injuries. The year before that, they were sort of
Speaker 2: breaking in some new pieces, you know. I don't know,
Speaker 2: I feel like there's so much unknown with this team.
Speaker 2: Not just that, but the offensive line too, is an
Speaker 2: issue that we talked about earlier in the week that
Speaker 2: they're gonna have to kind of solve a little bit.
Speaker 2: So I look, I remained skept. I've got for the record,
Speaker 2: I put I put Mahomes at thirteen.
Speaker 1: Not terrible, No, no, no.
Speaker 3: I mean I see the arguments, like every the guys
Speaker 3: that you named, I think do have higher floors. But
Speaker 3: after the top five, I'm like, there's not a higher
Speaker 3: ceiling left in my opinion than Mahomes.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the other part of it is that after
Speaker 2: I got through my top five, I'm like, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of.
Speaker 1: Ways I could go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, so many ways I could go. So I was,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm looking at I'm just looking at our
Speaker 2: lists all side by side. The big difference is I
Speaker 2: don't have Mahomes. I'm the one. I'm the one person
Speaker 2: without Mahomes in the top ten.
Speaker 3: I don't have Baker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lakwan, you don't have Baker, but you also are
Speaker 2: the only one with Herbert in your time. Tyler right, no,
Speaker 2: Kyler either in your top ten. I'm very proud of
Speaker 2: you for having Jared goff In there.
Speaker 4: Proud of I had to push him down, but he's
Speaker 4: still going to be, you know, a top ten quarterback unfortunately.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, but I'm proud of you. I
Speaker 2: just didn't know if you would give Jared goof his
Speaker 2: his due.
Speaker 3: I coach you. I like the guy. Now you know
Speaker 3: he's not affecting. He's still a google though.
Speaker 2: All right, then, Florida, you are the only one with
Speaker 2: Drake May in your top ten, which that's spicy. I
Speaker 2: love that, Like anybody who listens to the show shouldn't
Speaker 2: be surprised.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this I will admit was a projection because like,
Speaker 3: I think most people are gonna have bo Nicks ahead
Speaker 3: of Drake May. I think most people like Dak Caleb
Speaker 3: were two that I was like, I think people will
Speaker 3: probably have ahead of them, but this could all change.
Speaker 3: This is me kind of one.
Speaker 1: You guys know.
Speaker 3: I love Drake May, but I'm also the Patriots have
Speaker 3: by far the most cap space and they have all
Speaker 3: their picks, so I'm anticipating a lot of O linemen
Speaker 3: and pass catchers being brought in. If not, plus, I
Speaker 3: think it's just a better situation oc wise, play color wise,
Speaker 3: all of that. But if not, then my ranking of
Speaker 3: May will change. Greatly, But all of these guys are
Speaker 3: so similar that I feel like Drake May has the
Speaker 3: highest ceiling because I just think he is like more
Speaker 3: talented than a lot of those other guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, look, I understand the arguments for it.
Speaker 2: And again, I think after the top five, I think
Speaker 2: you're gonna see a lot of people sort of, you know,
Speaker 2: basically making bets essentially on guys and sort of placing
Speaker 2: chips on what they think guys can be for any
Speaker 2: number of reasons.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm.
Speaker 2: Curious to see what the the overall consensus is going
Speaker 2: to be on Drake May. But I think this is
Speaker 2: the time of year we can start sort of planting
Speaker 2: flags on guys and you know, projecting what you think
Speaker 2: they can be.
Speaker 1: And then again, it's February.
Speaker 2: We all reserve the right to change our minds by
Speaker 2: the time we get to the start of the leave.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is stone cold in stone that this
Speaker 4: is what it's going to be in August. It should
Speaker 4: be the same, right.
Speaker 2: Right If you switched, If you switched by week one,
Speaker 2: then you are weak minded and you don't belong here.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys had the same takeaway.
Speaker 3: But my biggest takeaway from this was then what it
Speaker 3: just kind of reaffirmed what my opinion already was, Like,
Speaker 3: I think I'm changing to I want a top four quarterback,
Speaker 3: not top five. But yeah, if we get the top
Speaker 3: four after that, they're all the same, Like just wait
Speaker 3: and grab two of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's I think that is a fair
Speaker 2: statement too, Right at some point, if you're not spinning
Speaker 2: up to get a quarterback, then that means you're taking
Speaker 2: a second one. You're taking a mid level kind of
Speaker 2: a mid round quarterback and a late round quarterback.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sort of balance things out.
Speaker 1: By the way it gets us too.
Speaker 2: Google Deliver presented by Uber eats. Who is your quarterback
Speaker 2: lakwan outside of the top twelve and they could be
Speaker 2: either outside of the top twelve this year or maybe
Speaker 2: outside the top twelve of your rankings that you think
Speaker 2: could make the leave just that dark horse guy that
Speaker 2: maybe could somehow sneak into the top twelve.
Speaker 4: I've been saying his name for the last couple of months, man,
Speaker 4: Bryce Young. I mean, honestly, when you look at how
Speaker 4: he played from Week eight into the back end of
Speaker 4: the season, he was showing flashes of being more confident
Speaker 4: in the pocket, climbing, being more mobile, finding his guys,
Speaker 4: and just the offense just looked like it was cohesive now.
Speaker 4: So I think he can make that leap next season
Speaker 4: when they bring in even more weapons for him beef
Speaker 4: up that old line. Like there's so many pieces around
Speaker 4: him with Xavier Luguet, Jalen Cocher and Adam thielend Oldman
Speaker 4: in the club still getting the girls. If he comes back,
Speaker 4: he can still be a threat to that offense. So
Speaker 4: I feel like there's just so much that is going
Speaker 4: to be, you know, a round brace shown that it's
Speaker 4: going to be impossible impossible for him to take a
Speaker 4: step back, because I don't know what that switch was,
Speaker 4: but he came back balling out, like he came back
Speaker 4: knowing where his guys were when he was under pressure,
Speaker 4: coming back knowing how to get xaverery Lee get involved
Speaker 4: in the offense more than just like a gadget guy.
Speaker 4: Like these were just the little things that I saw
Speaker 4: that I think he could definitely take a leap for fantasy.
Speaker 1: All right, Floryd, who's your guy.
Speaker 3: That makes the leap this year? I feel like I
Speaker 3: might be stealing yours, Marcus. But Williams. But you know what,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna let you talk about Caleb Marcus. I'm going
Speaker 3: to go even deeper. Okay, give me Anthony Richardson here,
Speaker 3: because Richardson all the same upside. I would argue that
Speaker 3: that he that we thought he had last year, except
Speaker 3: you're not gonna have to take him top five or
Speaker 3: close to it. You're not gonna have to take him
Speaker 3: as a QB one. Like we named between the three
Speaker 3: of us, probably like sixteen different quarterbacks. Not one of
Speaker 3: us even mentioned the name Anthony Richardson. So if you
Speaker 3: could get him, he is the kind of guy that,
Speaker 3: like say, you wait, like we were saying, you take
Speaker 3: a mid round guy, you take Baker Mayfield or gired
Speaker 3: Goff or or one of those safer quarterbacks. You take
Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson late, and now you're still giving yourself that
Speaker 3: lottery ticket because of the tools and the legs and
Speaker 3: everything he has. But like, if he doesn't hit, Okay,
Speaker 3: what'd you use thirteenth round pick on him? Like it's not,
Speaker 3: it's no big deal.
Speaker 2: Now, that's the big part of it is that the
Speaker 2: draft price is a lot friendlier. It's it's easier to
Speaker 2: take the shot on Anthony Richardson and sort of scrap
Speaker 2: it if it doesn't work. Last year, the way the
Speaker 2: spot you had to draft him in, you needed it
Speaker 2: to hit because you were passing up so many other
Speaker 2: options if you drafted Anthony Richardson. So for it to
Speaker 2: fall apart the way it did, yeah, it killed a
Speaker 2: lot of fantasy teams. So if the draft price is right,
Speaker 2: which I'm sure it will be, I couldn't make a
Speaker 2: bigger case for Anthony Richardson. I also need him to
Speaker 2: get his completion person I know, proclincial changes, like it's
Speaker 2: not one of the hip trendy stats, but I need
Speaker 2: him to get it up.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: I need you to I need you to hit more
Speaker 2: than fifty percent of your passes consistently.
Speaker 1: I just do.
Speaker 2: I don't need it to be great, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, I don't need you don't need to
Speaker 2: be Matthew Stafford with accuracy or anything, but you have
Speaker 2: to be competent and he was not that last year.
Speaker 2: So like there's only so because eventually then you just
Speaker 2: have a running back, but a running back who's not
Speaker 2: going to get the same number.
Speaker 1: Of carries that you want out of somebody else?
Speaker 3: Would you take the shot on Richardson or CJ. Stroud
Speaker 3: two quarterbacks that are going to be tied together for
Speaker 3: a while.
Speaker 2: Probably Richardson just because you know the rushing upside is there,
Speaker 2: like there's just never going to be a thing CJ.
Speaker 3: Stroud does.
Speaker 4: I think it's Anthony rich And hands down unfortunately. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: you kind of want Stroud to be that guy. But
Speaker 4: then last year he'd take a step back and it's
Speaker 4: like that was bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, see Solf very disappointing quarterback wise. I'm just realizing
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 2: Also, I think the thing with CJ. Stroud is that
Speaker 2: defense is so good. Part of what helped that first
Speaker 2: year is that they were playing from behind on occasion
Speaker 2: and he was being forced to throw the ball a ton.
Speaker 1: That defense is really good, so it might not be
Speaker 1: a situation where CJ.
Speaker 2: Stroud's going to be throwing the ball thirty five forty
Speaker 2: times a game consistently.
Speaker 3: He had a strong run game too with Joe Mixon
Speaker 3: as well, so.
Speaker 2: That part too. So yeah, I think it's Richardson. I
Speaker 2: don't love it, but I think it's Richardson for me,
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Speaker 2: Now, all right, let's go over to the running backs here, Florida.
Speaker 2: Letuld you start this off? Who are your top ten
Speaker 2: running I have a feeling there's gonna be some major
Speaker 2: differences in these lists here.
Speaker 3: Running back was a weird one for me. I think
Speaker 3: the top five is pretty for me at least feels
Speaker 3: pretty set. And you could put these in whatever order
Speaker 3: you want. But I have them Bijon one, Jamiir Gibbs,
Speaker 3: t Saquon Barkley three, Devon h Chan four, Derrick Henry five.
Speaker 3: Then it gets a little weird, like I have Kyrien
Speaker 3: Williams six. I'm not sure even Laqwan might not even
Speaker 3: agree with that. Wow, Josh Jacob seven, James Cook eight,
Speaker 3: Bucky Irving nine, Breize Hall ten. Just miss was Jonathan
Speaker 3: Taylor for me. I went back and forth hard between
Speaker 3: Taylor and some of these other guys.
Speaker 1: All right, Lakwan, who's your who's your top ten?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 3: Kyron Ed six is wow? Alrighty?
Speaker 4: Then you broke him, Flor you broke me because now
Speaker 4: I feel bad Where I got him?
Speaker 3: I mean the top three you can enter change.
Speaker 4: Like we talked about Bijon, Saquon Gibbs, that maybe like
Speaker 4: the consensus top three backs. I don't care if you
Speaker 4: have Saquon at one or Bjeon at two, whatever.
Speaker 3: Where do you have them? Right?
Speaker 1: Where do you have them?
Speaker 4: I got Bjon at one, Squon at two, three, I
Speaker 4: got Gibbs and then Devon Ah Chan, Breise Hall, Derrick Henry,
Speaker 4: Christian McCaffrey, Jonathan Taylor, Joe Mixon, and Kira Williams.
Speaker 2: Oh, the the CMC one is interesting. I don't have
Speaker 2: him in my top ten either, so you're the only
Speaker 2: one with that. So mine is I got Bjon one,
Speaker 2: Jamier Gibbs two, eight, Chan three, Saquon four for me, uh,
Speaker 2: Derrick Henry is at five, Josh Jacobs at six, Breese
Speaker 2: Hall at seven, James Cook at eight, Jonathan Taylor is
Speaker 2: at nine, and Kyron Williams is at ten.
Speaker 3: So we can agree on the ten.
Speaker 1: Just looking at.
Speaker 2: This, I am I'm the only one with Jonathan Taylor
Speaker 2: and that one. I really agonized over that one for
Speaker 2: a while. I shuffled him around to a few different places.
Speaker 2: I landed at nine with Taylor Lakwan, you're the only
Speaker 2: one with CMC and Joe Mixon in your top ten.
Speaker 3: I also, so we got we got Kyron in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so that's right. And then Florida, you're the
Speaker 2: only one with Bucky Irving. He's another one that I
Speaker 2: moved him around a little bit, like I first I
Speaker 2: had him in and then I moved him out. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, man, like running back's going
Speaker 2: to be I think wild Like, I don't know that
Speaker 2: we're ever going to come to a real top ten
Speaker 2: or top twelve consensus. I think amongst analysts, all of.
Speaker 3: You guys felt this way. But while and look, you know,
Speaker 3: I like Lakwan a lot of the time, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I want a receiver in round one. But while doing
Speaker 3: this list, I was like, there it might be like
Speaker 3: I could easily make the case for taking Bjon or
Speaker 3: Gibbs in the first round and being because to me,
Speaker 3: I think, and I think it shows by how different
Speaker 3: are six through tens are, Like after the top five,
Speaker 3: I feel like it's kind of a crapshoot there, Like
Speaker 3: it's it's a preference thing. And to me, when it's
Speaker 3: a preference thing, it's because there's a drop off in talent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it's it's a combination drop
Speaker 2: off in talent and situation, right because like with Josh Jacobs, Yeah,
Speaker 2: do the Packers go out and add a big time receiver?
Speaker 2: And if so, does that impact how many times Josh
Speaker 2: Jacobs is getting the football? Does an impact how many
Speaker 2: targets he gets? Because he was used fairly regularly in
Speaker 2: the passing game this past year. I mean, Brice Hall
Speaker 2: is such a wild card for reasons that we just
Speaker 2: talked about with the Jets, that the talent we know
Speaker 2: is there, but is the situation going to match up?
Speaker 1: I mean, Florida, he didn't even make your top ten list,
Speaker 1: min Donor.
Speaker 3: Taylor, Bree Hall, Oh no, Brisall is ten for me
Speaker 3: of Bristol.
Speaker 4: Okayee Josh Jacobson to make my top ten, he's like
Speaker 4: right outside for me.
Speaker 2: James Cook, you and I Florida or yeah, you and
Speaker 2: I have him both at eight, but he's not in
Speaker 2: your list at all.
Speaker 4: Lakwan No, I think this year was just like a
Speaker 4: prove it, Like you guys, drafted a guy. You drafted
Speaker 4: Ray Davis. Like to me, like going into the season,
Speaker 4: that was the biggest threat to James Cook. So I
Speaker 4: think this season was just kind of like pump my chest.
Speaker 4: I got this, I could be your workhorse running back.
Speaker 4: But I feel like, like, I don't know, Like it
Speaker 4: just doesn't look to me as like he's going to
Speaker 4: be the workhorse moving on, because if you still have
Speaker 4: Ty Johnson the thorn in your side, if you stay
Speaker 4: still have Ray Davis in that backfield, which I think
Speaker 4: he takes a leap in roles in basically getting more opportunities.
Speaker 4: I don't know if this stays the same going into
Speaker 4: next season with Joe Brady, Like I see him more
Speaker 4: of a guy that's going to spread the workload throughout
Speaker 4: the season. Because James Cook was a phenomenal this year.
Speaker 4: But do I think he's going to have that same
Speaker 4: exact type of season. No, I just don't see it
Speaker 4: happening that way.
Speaker 2: Well, Ty Johnson is a free agent. I was surprised
Speaker 2: at Ray Davis kind of getting pushed to third on
Speaker 2: the depth chart because I thought there was a role
Speaker 2: for him this year. I drafted him in a few
Speaker 2: spots especially in some Best Ball leagues, thinking that he
Speaker 2: was going to have a role, and by the end
Speaker 2: of the year he was the RB three on that roster.
Speaker 2: So maybe if Ty Johnson moves on, which seems reasonable
Speaker 2: to believe, maybe that does mean some more things for
Speaker 2: Ray Davis.
Speaker 3: I just was surprised at how little they used him.
Speaker 3: I think the touchdowns come back for Cook, but this
Speaker 3: year felt like a floor year for him yardage wise,
Speaker 3: like he needed to play Week eighteen just to get
Speaker 3: to a thousand rushing yards. He didn't have nearly as
Speaker 3: many targets as the year before. So like, I think
Speaker 3: the truth is somewhere in the he'll get less touchdowns
Speaker 3: more yards, was my thinking.
Speaker 2: All Right, yeah, this was gonna be I think this
Speaker 2: is going to be an interesting one too. CMC is
Speaker 2: going to be a really interesting test case. Also, I
Speaker 2: thought people in there though, Yeah, I mean I could look,
Speaker 2: I can make the case for both for having him
Speaker 2: in there and not having him in there. You know,
Speaker 2: I got him at at eleven right now, but it
Speaker 2: could go either way. It really could.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys know, I love Jonathan Taylor, but the
Speaker 3: lack of targets is what scared Like to push Bucky
Speaker 3: Irving ahead of him for me, like he'll be in
Speaker 3: my top twelve Taylor, but his last three games he
Speaker 3: ran for five hundred and twenty yards and six touchdowns.
Speaker 3: Like prior to that three game stretch, it was kind
Speaker 3: of a disappointing year for Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well that's also I think the Anthony Richardson
Speaker 2: factor too.
Speaker 4: I have to say, just that factor of him out
Speaker 4: him out and then you don't really have a consistent
Speaker 4: offense that you can He's not.
Speaker 3: Helping that ball off though, I'll tell you that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, you know, is he going to start taking is
Speaker 2: he going to take goal line carries away?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: I mean does he end up eating into the upside.
Speaker 3: Which I think is ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Like when you have a back like Johnathan Taylor, you don't,
Speaker 4: like I understand the Anthony rich and he can get
Speaker 4: the ball in on the goal line as well, but
Speaker 4: you have a running back like Jonathan Taylor just to
Speaker 4: be there.
Speaker 3: I just don't get why.
Speaker 2: Barkley right, And like I say this with Saquan having
Speaker 2: thirteen rushing touchdowns but Jalen Hurts having was it fourteen
Speaker 2: rushing touchdowns this year?
Speaker 4: Is unstoppable. It's almost automatic at this point. So I
Speaker 4: get that in a sense, they have a they have
Speaker 4: a special move we would like to call a motal Kombat.
Speaker 4: That's just it's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think running back, I think there's going to
Speaker 2: be a really shifting position. Uh you know, and we'll
Speaker 2: do these several times throughout the offseason.
Speaker 3: My way, see is I'm the Kiren guy.
Speaker 1: You are the Kiren guy. You're the Kiren guy.
Speaker 3: Le He's explained that one man. That's exciting to me.
Speaker 3: He was the RB seven this year despite missing a game.
Speaker 3: He was the RB two in points per game last season. Uh, Sean, Like,
Speaker 3: we were all worried about Blake Korum, but Sean McVay
Speaker 3: was basically like, no, it's it's the Kien Williams Show.
Speaker 3: And to me, anytime Sean McVay has had a running
Speaker 3: back like this he could trust. It's really Kyraene and
Speaker 3: Todd Gurley. He doesn't really use a second running back
Speaker 3: as much. He tends to feed Kyen's gonna get it
Speaker 3: in the passing game. He's gonna get it on the ground.
Speaker 3: There's no concern about him his quarterbacks stealing those those
Speaker 3: goal line touches or anything like that. So I just
Speaker 3: feel like he's super after the Top five. To me,
Speaker 3: he felt like the best bet of upside and safety
Speaker 3: combined into one.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, yeah, I look, it's hard to
Speaker 1: argue again.
Speaker 2: So I still think Blake Koram's gonna get a role
Speaker 2: in this offense. But I was wrong last I was
Speaker 2: wrong last year. We'll see how it happens.
Speaker 4: We sawid pick up after you know, the Saints game,
Speaker 4: Like we saw a little bit involvement, and then you know,
Speaker 4: things slowed down and then obviously he gets hurt before
Speaker 4: the playoffs. Like, I honestly think he had a role
Speaker 4: in the playoffs to be utilized a lot more than
Speaker 4: he was in the beginning of the season. Like it
Speaker 4: was more so of like taking the load off of Kirn,
Speaker 4: which needed to happen, and it was just more so
Speaker 4: of like McVeigh realizing like, oh wow, well I can
Speaker 4: run a one two punch, but it was cut short
Speaker 4: due to him getting hurt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those sirens you heard in the background with the
Speaker 2: fire department coming for Florido's hot take on how it.
Speaker 3: Was that was actually mine in here. Top ten Hottest
Speaker 3: Joe mixed in top ten.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he played phenomenal if he didn't get hurt, and
Speaker 4: then obviously they're going to have to address that old line.
Speaker 4: I think Joe Mixon be able to produce behind bad
Speaker 4: old lines his entire career. Puts that RB two standbor
Speaker 4: on him with RB one upside, like you look at
Speaker 4: him week to week.
Speaker 3: I feel like, if.
Speaker 4: They address the issues that they have in Houston on
Speaker 4: that line, why can't Joe Mixon be a bigger threat
Speaker 4: for fantasy you know, for running backs? He's I feel
Speaker 4: like I have him too low.
Speaker 1: Wow, you got nine and that's too low. I won
Speaker 1: that is.
Speaker 3: That's what the fire department's coming after for sure. For sure.
Speaker 2: All right, Befy Beefy Beefy first block can take a
Speaker 2: quick break, come back. We'll dive into the wide receivers
Speaker 2: and the tight ends. That's next on the NFL Fantasy
Speaker 2: Football Podcast, diving into our way too early rankings here
Speaker 2: in mid February, we've done quarterbacks and running backs. Time
Speaker 2: to get into wide receivers and tight ends. Wide receiver
Speaker 2: I think's gonna be interesting. I think we're gonna have
Speaker 2: a lot of the same names. Maybe when you get
Speaker 2: down to the bottom of the top ten. It shuffles
Speaker 2: a little bit, but I'll start with my list here.
Speaker 2: I feel like Jamar Chase is going to be the
Speaker 2: undisputed number one. I'm going to that. I'm going Justin
Speaker 2: Jefferson at two. CD Lamb is my number three wide receiver,
Speaker 2: followed by Puka Nakua at four, Amonra Saint Brown, Arsba
Speaker 2: gets the number five spot. I'm going Scary Terry at
Speaker 2: number six. Malik Neighbors is my number seven wide receiver,
Speaker 2: followed by Nico Collins, Drake London at nine, and Jackson
Speaker 2: Smith and Jigba. Actually Ryan's rounds out my top ten.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel like, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe I'm wrong. I'm curious to see what you guys have. Lakwan,
Speaker 2: what is your your top ten?
Speaker 3: There?
Speaker 4: So I think we consent to say Jamar Chase at
Speaker 4: one like that, that that's that's that's a given. But
Speaker 4: at Pooka, Justin Jefferson, Malik Neighbors and Monron Taint Brown,
Speaker 4: Drake London, Cede Lamb, Brian Thomas Junior, aj Brown and
Speaker 4: then Nico Collins at ten.
Speaker 1: Floria, what is your top ten?
Speaker 3: Agreed? With Lakwan and you Marcus Jamar Chase at one.
Speaker 3: I actually agree with LaQuan. I have Pooka Nakua at two,
Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson at three, Ced Lamb at four, Oursba at five,
Speaker 3: Nico Collins six, Malik Neighbors seven, AJ Brown eight, Terry
Speaker 3: McLaurin nine, Brian Thomas Junior ten. But it's really a
Speaker 3: top twelve for me because Drake London and Lad McConkie
Speaker 3: I really wanted to fit into his top twelve.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I was sort of toying with where to
Speaker 2: put Ladd McConkie in this whole thing. So I guess
Speaker 2: I'm the low man on Pooka here on this one
Speaker 2: because I've got him at four. I'm also the high
Speaker 2: man on CD Lamb once CD at seven seven.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's just me assuming that they bring in
Speaker 4: help and then the running game be a little bit
Speaker 4: more efficient, and I don't think it will be that
Speaker 4: high of a one hundred and fifty, you know, targets
Speaker 4: going his way. I think we're gonna get more of
Speaker 4: a balanced Cowboys offense. So it's not that you know
Speaker 4: he's going to take a down year like I could
Speaker 4: easily put him in front of Drake London or even
Speaker 4: the mom round Saint Brown being basically with their change
Speaker 4: is going on. You have Michael Pennix, He's still somewhat
Speaker 4: you know, fresh behind the ears. I mean, you can
Speaker 4: have your concerns there, but he looked amazing with his
Speaker 4: opportunities a very small sample. But Drake London was still
Speaker 4: a strong fantasy option. And then you look at my
Speaker 4: mom right to say Brown. Obviously, Ben Johnson not there.
Speaker 4: You got to depend on Jared Gooth to keep and
Speaker 4: retain the information that he had from Ben Johnson to
Speaker 4: play at a high level. But you know, those three,
Speaker 4: I can I was messing around with those three Amon Rod,
Speaker 4: Drake London and CD Lamb because I feel like they
Speaker 4: all have somewhat situations going on for them. So I'm
Speaker 4: not mad at putting CD at five, you know, like,
Speaker 4: but I just feel like with those three guys, it's
Speaker 4: just interchangeable for me.
Speaker 2: I think I talked myself out of Brian Thomas Junior.
Speaker 2: You know, remember at the end of the regular season,
Speaker 2: I was like, Brian Thomas, he was the first round pick,
Speaker 2: and then like two weeks later, I'm like, nah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's all these drinkings, and I think I sucked myself
Speaker 2: out of him in the top ten. I'm not sure
Speaker 2: where I would slot him just yet. I mean, I
Speaker 2: think he's in my top fifteen for sure. I just
Speaker 2: worry about now, you know what happens when everybody's healthy,
Speaker 2: right when Christian Kirk is back, whenever Ingram is back.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised Lakuan that you've got him in your top ten,
Speaker 2: knowing how you feel about Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, I do feel like this was a
Speaker 4: little bit of a spicy for me because instead of
Speaker 4: you know, having Brian Thomas Junior a A, I had Terry mclauren.
Speaker 4: But then you talked about earlier in the pod about
Speaker 4: defenses adsin the Jayden Daniels and also I think they
Speaker 4: bring in some help, you know, maybe a T. Higgins
Speaker 4: slides and who knows. But I just definitely think, you know,
Speaker 4: Terry mclaarnin in my top ten.
Speaker 3: He just didn't make it, but he was right outside
Speaker 3: of it, all right.
Speaker 2: We all have Nico Collins sort of in the back
Speaker 2: half of our top tens or Florida. You're the highest
Speaker 2: on him. At six. I've got him at eight, You've
Speaker 2: got him at ten. Lakwan, I'm the only one with
Speaker 2: JSN in my top ten. Maybe I'm a little too
Speaker 2: gassed up. I don't know, you know, I don't.
Speaker 3: Think it is the wide receiver one.
Speaker 4: He's the wide receiver and literally outside my top ten,
Speaker 4: like I missed on Lad and then JSN. Those are
Speaker 4: the two that I was like fumbling, like if I'm
Speaker 4: going to do a top fifteen, top twenty list, like
Speaker 4: they're obviously a top fifteen locks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it sounds like the back half of the
Speaker 2: top ten is gonna be a little bit scattered.
Speaker 4: So that's like what early second round where you can
Speaker 4: really play around with some of these guys late first
Speaker 4: like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And obviously free agency in the draft are gonna have
Speaker 2: a big impact, huge.
Speaker 3: For where some of these guys go. It's why again,
Speaker 3: I came away from this being like I might take
Speaker 3: a running back in the first round and then like
Speaker 3: last year, was going wide receiver running back in like
Speaker 3: two or three, and then a bunch of receivers, like
Speaker 3: just get your running back early because we don't love
Speaker 3: anyone after the top like four or five. But I
Speaker 3: loved a lot of these back end Like if I
Speaker 3: could get a Lad McConkie in round two, or Drake
Speaker 3: London or Brian Thomas, Terry McLaurin, like, I feel much
Speaker 3: better about those players in round two than I do
Speaker 3: the running backs that are in round two.
Speaker 2: I think I'm just forfeiting my first round pick. I
Speaker 2: just seriously, I'll just start in round two because it's
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, I do like some of these guys,
Speaker 2: but they all even you know, even the Bijon's and
Speaker 2: the Jamiir Gibbs's and the a chance, they make me
Speaker 2: still a little bit nervous, right, And I'm you know, look,
Speaker 2: if I'm at the top, if I'm at the top
Speaker 2: of the draft order, sure I'll take Jamar or Justin
Speaker 2: Jefferson for sure.
Speaker 1: Mid to late part of the first round.
Speaker 2: Like, I just the the draft capital you're spending for
Speaker 2: some of these guys that come with uncertainty, And mind you,
Speaker 2: it's uncertainty in February, right that we're yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: we're sure it's gonna work out by the time we
Speaker 2: get to August, but for now it makes me kind
Speaker 2: of scared.
Speaker 3: And with the draft coming up.
Speaker 4: There's some wide receivers that could shake some of this
Speaker 4: up man, and especially at running back as well. I
Speaker 4: mean there's some guys that could get into some roles
Speaker 4: of being a wide receiver one or even a running
Speaker 4: back one that can knock up and mess up this
Speaker 4: back into the top ten, top twelve guys that we
Speaker 4: got right now.
Speaker 2: Just saying you actually bout you by the way mentioning
Speaker 2: the draft. I'm because when we talked about doing this
Speaker 2: show just between us, you asked about rookies Lakwan and
Speaker 2: you mentioned Ashton Johnty. I did you did you give
Speaker 2: him serious consideration to your top ten?
Speaker 3: I did?
Speaker 4: But then you look at the draft, like what the
Speaker 4: order is now? And you know these teams they tend
Speaker 4: to trade as soon as they get closer to April.
Speaker 4: I don't know where to put him, honestly, because like
Speaker 4: I want to put him in Jacksonville, but then that
Speaker 4: would mean Travis etn Tank Bixby need to move. But
Speaker 4: then there's a scenario where you know, I have I
Speaker 4: have this list of running backs and you know Prospect
Speaker 4: and genty. It kind of fits in between those picks
Speaker 4: of like five and ten. What the set order is
Speaker 4: like I could see him end up somewhere in like
Speaker 4: New Orleans at nine.
Speaker 3: Nine.
Speaker 4: I could see him end up with the Raiders maybe
Speaker 4: because that's just how talented he is, and like these
Speaker 4: are teams that need young guys like that, And then
Speaker 4: he would shoot up into my rankings. Like you guys
Speaker 4: got Bucky Irvin at nine like Floorio, Like I kind
Speaker 4: of would move Bucky back and put Gent there at nine,
Speaker 4: you know, ahead.
Speaker 3: Of your Briest Hall.
Speaker 4: I don't know, because like he's one of those talents
Speaker 4: that you look at that he could shake things up
Speaker 4: in year one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he really is that good.
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, again, we always say this
Speaker 2: landing spot is obviously going to mean a lot, but
Speaker 2: I think I think a guy that talented, who was
Speaker 2: that productive in college, regardless of where he lands, they are.
Speaker 3: Going to create a role for him.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I don't think that's that.
Speaker 3: Might be a second round pick. He might be a
Speaker 3: second round pick going first if he goes through I
Speaker 3: mean spot, which we just talked about not having a
Speaker 3: first round pick for running back. I mean where would
Speaker 3: you put him? Would you put him like at It
Speaker 3: depends on so like I could see him going second
Speaker 3: round because everyone loves rookies, especially.
Speaker 1: Nowadays the community.
Speaker 4: But you're like an automatic first round pick when we
Speaker 4: come to like top prospects.
Speaker 3: It kind of reminds me like when Zeke fell to
Speaker 3: the Cowboys. It was like, all right, he's a top
Speaker 3: five pick now because of where he fell. Like it.
Speaker 3: So landing spot is going to greatly determine where. But
Speaker 3: if he there's a couple of spots that if he
Speaker 3: falls to I I could easily see the fantasy community
Speaker 3: hyping him up to be a first round pick.
Speaker 2: Well, the early tea leaves suggest he could fall to
Speaker 2: the Dallas Cowboys. And does that does that excite anybody?
Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, every single touch up for grabs in Dallas.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, p Rico daubtell that happened?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 1: There it is.
Speaker 2: I didn't mean to get back on the running backs,
Speaker 2: but you've mentioning rookies. Lakwan kind of brought that back
Speaker 2: in my head after a conversation.
Speaker 4: There's some rookie wide receivers that we could dive into
Speaker 4: later later on, but there's just some guys that they
Speaker 4: could definitely shake up some of these rakings.
Speaker 2: Oh trust, I mean maybe not on this show, for sure,
Speaker 2: but we will dive into rookies certainly in depth as
Speaker 2: we get closer to the draft, for sure. All right,
Speaker 2: let's get the tight ends. This is gonna be wild.
Speaker 3: About to say these are going to be so different.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be absolutely wild.
Speaker 2: It's all gonna be different, and we're all gonna be like, yeah,
Speaker 2: sure find that. So Laquon, I will, I will give
Speaker 2: you the honors to go first with your top ten.
Speaker 2: All right, there's only two guys.
Speaker 4: Brock Bowers at one, Trey McBride interchangeable, don't care about
Speaker 4: the order, George Kittle, John new Smith makes a return.
Speaker 3: Top five, Sam mc.
Speaker 4: Evan Ingram, Mark Andrews, Cole Komet, David Nijoku, and t J.
Speaker 3: Hockinson at ten.
Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, all right, Florio, who you got?
Speaker 3: It's definitely different. Bron Bowers is one for me, Trey
Speaker 3: McBride to Kittle three, Sam Laporta four, Mark Andrews five,
Speaker 3: Hockinson six, and Joku seven. This one obviously changes if
Speaker 3: he retires, but I still put Travis Kelce at eight,
Speaker 3: just on the off chance that he does play. Evan
Speaker 3: Ingram nine, Donkin k ten, I had John new Smith
Speaker 3: at eleven because I have a hard time buying into
Speaker 3: a late late career breakout. So I'm sure we'll talk
Speaker 3: about that one.
Speaker 1: Oh, we'll talking about that also, Donkin Kate.
Speaker 2: I mean you were ready to shoot him out of
Speaker 2: a cannon into the middle of the Pacific Ocean a
Speaker 2: few weeks ago.
Speaker 3: But you know, he's still tied to a great quarterback,
Speaker 3: a good offense, and one that as of now does
Speaker 3: not have any ball dominant receivers, so he's going to
Speaker 3: be even when he returned after injury. Last year, it
Speaker 3: was him and Shaki were the top two targets. So
Speaker 3: I'm willing to at a cheaper than ever cost. I'm
Speaker 3: willing to roll the dice again, all right.
Speaker 2: I mean, because you're you're gonna put him on a
Speaker 2: sinking ship in the middle of Lake Erie.
Speaker 1: After the playoffs, so uh, you know things have improved.
Speaker 1: I guess a little bit.
Speaker 2: For me, I'm gonna go because I said a few
Speaker 2: weeks ago that trade McBride, he was my early flag
Speaker 2: plan for the tight end once on making him the
Speaker 2: tight end one here, followed by brock Bauers. Because it's
Speaker 2: either one of those two guys, I'll go Kittle three,
Speaker 2: Sam Laporta at four. I'm going t J. Hawkinson at
Speaker 2: at five. Wow, I'm putting Kelsey at six, obviously subject
Speaker 2: to change if he decides he's not playing anymore. Mark
Speaker 2: Andrews at seven. I got John hu at eight, Evan
Speaker 2: Ingram at nine. I can't go Pat Fryarmouth at ten.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, at that point, it was
Speaker 2: just kind of like, I don't know. I just I
Speaker 2: gotta find a name to slide in there. Lakwan, are
Speaker 2: you assuming that Travis Kelsey's retired or are.
Speaker 4: You just out Oh? Yeah, that super Bowl performance was bad?
Speaker 4: Like I honestly think, you know, it's time to hang
Speaker 4: it up. Like, I mean, you got the girl, you
Speaker 4: got many rings, It's like you got the podcast, you're
Speaker 4: doing TV shows, you're in movies, like you already like
Speaker 4: played your hand of Like, yeah, it's time to hang
Speaker 4: it up. Like I don't see Travis Kelsey performing at
Speaker 4: a high level next season because it's just the way
Speaker 4: the back end of this season looked. It just looked
Speaker 4: like he just wasn't that guy anymore. So Yeah, he's gone, all.
Speaker 2: Right, Try to see any other differences. I mean, our
Speaker 2: top threes are all the same, even if the names
Speaker 2: are maybe a little bit flip flopped.
Speaker 1: Yea, we got Laporter.
Speaker 2: We all have Laport in the top five, so I
Speaker 2: think we're all sort of confident in some sort of
Speaker 2: rebound for laporta. Evan Ingram makes all of our lists.
Speaker 2: Mark Andrews makes all of our lists. It's late though, right,
Speaker 2: it's you know, for you Lakwan's it's Comet and Joku.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know how you feel about t J. Hawkinson,
Speaker 2: So I'm actually glad he major top ten barely it
Speaker 2: was gonna be him or Dalton Kinkaid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll flag plan on t J. Hawkinson. I think
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have a lot of him this year.
Speaker 4: He he just wasn't making a huge impact for me
Speaker 4: to be like I have start him this week.
Speaker 1: He just came back for like major knee.
Speaker 3: Injury exactly that. Yeah, torn acl is always the year
Speaker 3: you get back in your question mark the question mark
Speaker 3: at quarterback next season, we still don't know. It's February.
Speaker 3: It could change.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 2: I will be floored. I will give you all of
Speaker 2: the change in my pocket right now. If it's not McCarthy, seriously,
Speaker 2: I have no change in my pocket. So that's all
Speaker 2: you would get is win. But I would I would
Speaker 2: be absolutely stunned if it's not JJ McCarthy next.
Speaker 3: Year, nine hundred yards each of his three seasons prior
Speaker 3: to last year, this past twenty twenty four, We're you
Speaker 3: only play ten games.
Speaker 1: Cole Commit's an interesting one. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I still just I still think there are too many miles. Look,
Speaker 2: I mean again, I feel like all these names you
Speaker 2: can make a change four against. I just think there's
Speaker 2: still too many miles to feed in Chicago.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just don't think we've seen him utilize properly.
Speaker 4: Like there's still unlocked potential there for him to be
Speaker 4: a fantasy asset. I just I just feel like he
Speaker 4: should be mentioned somewhat in that top ten.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm also still a little bit man, And it's not
Speaker 2: Cole Comet's fault, but I'm still upset from a couple
Speaker 2: of seasons ago, when you know I kept touting him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like all the metrics are great, he's running a
Speaker 2: ton of routes, he's getting targeted a certain amount, and
Speaker 2: like I would say all these things and then Jimmy
Speaker 2: Grahm would show up and catch a touchdown, and it's
Speaker 2: just made it hard for me to keep them in
Speaker 2: the case.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not his fault.
Speaker 2: He did everything that you would want from him, and
Speaker 2: then Jimmy Grahm would show up and catch the touchdown.
Speaker 3: He could block, he could run round, so he could
Speaker 3: be a red zone threat. We've seen it.
Speaker 4: All that he can do is just being deployed at
Speaker 4: the right times that they didn't really have, you know,
Speaker 4: a structured.
Speaker 3: Staff that know how to just make him a focal point.
Speaker 3: But it is what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now now we have Ben Johnson there hopefully to
Speaker 2: save the day, so we'll sort of see how that goes.
Speaker 3: My one tightand request is get any quarterback besides Deshaun
Speaker 3: Watson throwing the ball to day it in Joku and
Speaker 3: he yes, like he's amazing. I think he is one
Speaker 3: of the best titands in football. You just can't play
Speaker 3: with Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 2: Well, and I think you're your fears won't be so
Speaker 2: fearful this year because.
Speaker 3: I look, I.
Speaker 2: Don't expect to see Deshaun Watson quarterbacking the Cleveland Browns this.
Speaker 3: Year two Achilles Stairs, He's he's not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't I do not. I do not expect to
Speaker 2: see that happen. Yeah, Titan is gonna be interesting. I
Speaker 2: feel like for a lot of people, your top four
Speaker 2: or five are going to be kind of set after that.
Speaker 2: Just throw a whole bunch of names up in the
Speaker 2: air and see where they land. And also we'll see
Speaker 2: if number eighty seven in Kansas City decides to come
Speaker 2: back for at least one more, if he decides to
Speaker 2: hang him up and hang in a full time podcaster
Speaker 2: slash lover boy. So we'll see, take a quick break,
Speaker 2: come back, talk about some other nonsense.
Speaker 1: There's a new music video that just dropped. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about that some more things.
Speaker 2: No, no, but maybe perhaps on park quality wise, we'll see.
Speaker 2: I'll come up with that and some more on the
Speaker 2: NFL Fantasy Football Show. All right, So just a little
Speaker 2: bit of you know, our cheat sheet type stuff here
Speaker 2: at the end of the show.
Speaker 1: I had I think some stuff thrown in there.
Speaker 2: The new Captain America movie comes out on Friday, which
Speaker 2: nothing says romance like Anthony Mackie beating up on a
Speaker 2: giant angry Harrison Ford. Harrison Ford's in everything. He is
Speaker 2: in everything, which is wild. The dude's like eighty. I
Speaker 2: guess he's just trying to you know.
Speaker 3: Him and Robert de Niro are trying to see who
Speaker 3: can make more movies in their eighties.
Speaker 1: Yues so.
Speaker 3: Apata. Yeah, they have to have a text group where
Speaker 3: like they have an internal contest or something like that.
Speaker 3: Just movies, how about you.
Speaker 2: As long as Harrison Ford is not flying himself to
Speaker 2: whatever destination he's going to, that's all today. But the
Speaker 2: thing that I really talking about, because it actually dropped
Speaker 2: just before we started recording this show, at least I
Speaker 2: saw it just before we started recording this show, Shudeur
Speaker 2: Sanders has put out a music video.
Speaker 1: Wow, he's got a rap video.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of you know, shots of him walking
Speaker 2: through crowds on football fields.
Speaker 1: The music.
Speaker 2: I will say, it's cool. I'm kind of feeling it
Speaker 2: should do or do not quit your day job to.
Speaker 1: Become a rap.
Speaker 3: Stay focused.
Speaker 4: Man has worked for any football player dropping a music
Speaker 4: video during draft time or even when you're an NFL player,
Speaker 4: It has never ever worked out for them.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't see the need to do this.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean it sort of seems to fit with the
Speaker 2: the trajectory. I mean, look, obviously Shu was very good
Speaker 2: at Jackson State. They all make the move to Colorado,
Speaker 2: Dion comes to Colorado, Shauduur, Travis Hunter come with him
Speaker 2: from Jackson State. Uh, and it really has been on
Speaker 2: top of what he's done on the field, it has
Speaker 2: been very much about branding and marketing, right from the
Speaker 2: rolexes to the commercials. So dropping a music video just
Speaker 2: seems to fit it kind of tracks.
Speaker 3: I guess I never care when Like, to me, all
Speaker 3: of these players who make music and music videos and stuff,
Speaker 3: all it is to me is entertainment and stuff for
Speaker 3: us to talk about in the off season on the pod.
Speaker 3: Like I don't ever actually care. But and I personally
Speaker 3: do not care at all that he did this. But
Speaker 3: my one thinking to la Quwan's point is kind of
Speaker 3: like you're about to go through the most grueling interview
Speaker 3: process of your life. I just don't think you want
Speaker 3: to give fuel to these teams to question your dedication
Speaker 3: or why you're doing this or anything. Like if he
Speaker 3: did this after he got drafted and it was like
Speaker 3: a celebration I'd be like cool, like this guy's going
Speaker 3: to be a face of a franchise, But right now,
Speaker 3: I just don't want to This is something I don't
Speaker 3: want to hear about for two months leading into the draft.
Speaker 3: You know exactly it is.
Speaker 2: It is definitely fuel for anonymous scout, Like anonymous scout
Speaker 2: is going to have a field day with something like this,
Speaker 2: because I'm I'm sort of with you, Floria, like I'm
Speaker 2: of the opinion that like these guys don't they don't
Speaker 2: spend all day every day studying the playbook or working
Speaker 2: like then just you well you can't, right, it's just
Speaker 2: not it's not healthy. It's not physically possible. So like
Speaker 2: whatever you found some time and just watching this thing,
Speaker 2: it seems like there are clips that have been shot
Speaker 2: throughout the year, right, this doesn't seem like he just
Speaker 2: randomly took two weeks to do a music video. Like
Speaker 2: this seems like stuff that he's probably been shooting this
Speaker 2: video for like six months.
Speaker 4: It's like you've been doing this for the last couple
Speaker 4: of months. Like no, so you're not jello ball, Like no,
Speaker 4: that's a hit, Like this not a hit?
Speaker 2: It so that that was My next question is like, Okay,
Speaker 2: who out there is actually like if they stop playing ball,
Speaker 2: like you'd be like I would buy this album or
Speaker 2: I would stream this album because nobody actually buys albums
Speaker 2: any way, right Like now I'm a hard copye guy?
Speaker 1: Are you okay? Good for you? No, I'm done with that.
Speaker 2: But I mean, like so jello ball right like yeah,
Speaker 2: because we were trying to figureut before the show, like
Speaker 2: who were at because athletes being rappers is not a
Speaker 2: new thing, Like who's an athlete that's an actually legitimately
Speaker 2: good rapper?
Speaker 1: And like Dame Lillard was the first one that came to.
Speaker 3: Mind, nashwall players do it better?
Speaker 2: Hmmm, I always say saying for my guy, I I
Speaker 2: I himmed In had because I remember there was an
Speaker 2: album that came out. This is like back in the
Speaker 2: late nineteen hundreds when I was still a college student,
Speaker 2: an album called b Ball's Best Kept Secret, And like
Speaker 2: we used to mostly you had a fun Like I
Speaker 2: had a radio show in college where we played music.
Speaker 2: We would just play a track from this album every
Speaker 2: so often. Because it was a bunch of current NBA players.
Speaker 2: They did a rap album.
Speaker 3: Oh it's bad, I remember this now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there were some that were really bad. Jason Kidd
Speaker 2: was on the album. His song was awful. His song
Speaker 2: was awful. It's I've released in November of ninety four.
Speaker 2: It's called B Ball's the Best Kept Secret. Cedric Sabalos,
Speaker 2: who I think was a Phoenix, played for the Lakers.
Speaker 2: He might have been with the Phoenix Suns at the time.
Speaker 2: He had a couple songs because he actually tried to.
Speaker 1: Have a rap career. They were okay.
Speaker 2: Malik Seely, who was like a good role player, his
Speaker 2: was I mean, there's none of them were great. Shaq
Speaker 2: had a song on there that was okay. It was
Speaker 2: just like but it was just sort of like a
Speaker 2: novelty at the time, like all these guys and you
Speaker 2: listen to you're like, oh no, no, please keep playing
Speaker 2: Basketball Athlete Rapper.
Speaker 4: I would have broke my CD player if that even
Speaker 4: entered it.
Speaker 1: The best Athlete.
Speaker 3: Rapper, It's a one hit wonder. But g Regg from
Speaker 3: the Seventh Floor the Greatest Ever played out.
Speaker 2: The journey of Greg Olsen from being g Rag on
Speaker 2: the Seventh Floor Crew to being a Walter Payton Man
Speaker 2: of the Year should be studied.
Speaker 3: Incredible. We need a documentary and with his verse, we need.
Speaker 2: We need a thirty for thirty on the journey from
Speaker 2: the seventh floor to the w P M O Y.
Speaker 1: That's what we need on g.
Speaker 2: I've ever heard an athlete have but when that we cannot,
Speaker 2: We cannot repeat on this show because it is family.
Speaker 3: You want to check it out. Make sure you're like alone,
Speaker 3: you're not at work, like it's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's uh it's love.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking to see if be Ball's best kept
Speaker 2: secret is on.
Speaker 4: I'm looking at Jason Kidd and the first song that
Speaker 4: comes up, what the Kid Dido?
Speaker 3: And Yeah, I'm not going to listen to this this list.
Speaker 1: I mean you should just because.
Speaker 3: What the kid did? No? Why?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a thing. I'm sure it's probably like
Speaker 2: floating around on.
Speaker 3: YouTube if you want to really truly listen to it,
Speaker 3: I'm sure there it is.
Speaker 2: Uh so yeah, so you want to check out Shore
Speaker 2: Sanders music video, which is where this whole conversation started.
Speaker 2: It's it's floating around the interwebs. You could take a
Speaker 2: look and decide for yourself. It's if it's good or not.
Speaker 2: And we'll see what anonymous scout has to.
Speaker 3: Say about it. As he goes through the draft process.
Speaker 3: Anonymous Scout hates everything. Anonymous Scout really does hate everything.
Speaker 2: I'm waiting to see, Like who Anonymous Scout says has
Speaker 2: like skinny knees or skinny knees that was That was
Speaker 2: the knock on Teddy Bridgewater that he has skinny knees.
Speaker 3: I feel like the Colorado guys are going to be
Speaker 3: the target of an like last year was Caleb. It's
Speaker 3: going to be the Colorado everyone loves to tear down
Speaker 3: the hype guys, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I think, well, I think after
Speaker 2: that first year, we got oversaturated with with Colorado, with
Speaker 2: Coach Prime and she and all this stuff was just
Speaker 2: and so I think America kind of got annoyed with them,
Speaker 2: and so I think I'm wondering if that comes back
Speaker 2: again this off season.
Speaker 3: A couple of years ago, people were saying that he's
Speaker 3: not an NFL quarterback, and now he's in the running
Speaker 3: to go first overall. So I don't really care what
Speaker 3: Anonymous Scout has to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he's definitely an NFL quarterback.
Speaker 2: I mean, we can debate what his ceiling is, but
Speaker 2: he's definitely good enough to be an NFL quarterback, don't.
Speaker 2: I don't doubt that at all for sure. So I'm
Speaker 2: sure this is not the last we will talk about
Speaker 2: Shudeur Sanders.
Speaker 1: In the next couple of home I hope. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we're gonna talk about his rap
Speaker 2: career anymore, but we will certainly talk about him on
Speaker 2: the field for sure over the next couple of months.
Speaker 2: But in the meantime, that's for this edition of the
Speaker 2: NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. They happy, say Lfie, do good
Speaker 2: and live well. Enjoy the weekend, everybody. We will talk
Speaker 2: to you again next week. Wo I'll count help, Bob,
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