1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We'd know that Ali Costal 2 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: was attending summer school here at Ole, miss and was 3 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: teaching fitness and police believe she was murdered, and this 4 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: morning the area in the middle of a manhunt for 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: her killer. A multi agency manhunt is underway as concerned 6 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: grips this small Mississippi college town. Authorities hunting for a 7 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: suspect in the apparent murder of Ali Costal. The twenty 8 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: one year old senior at the University of Mississippi was 9 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: found dead over the weekend nearly twenty miles off campus. 10 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: A deputy on routine patrol finding her body near Sardist 11 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 1: Lake in neighboring Harmontown. And this is what it looks 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: like around the lake where authorities found her body. You 13 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: can see a number of trees. Also, winding roads get 14 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: you here. And I've only seen a few houses, so 15 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: this area is very remote. I am just sick, sick. 16 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: Another beautiful college stunit found dead. Twenty one year old 17 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: Alley Coastal found dead. I Meancy Grace, this is crime Stories. 18 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: You were just hearing from our friend Marcus Moore over 19 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: at ABC. Listen to this. Friends say that Alie Costal 20 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: had no enemies and was the type of person who 21 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: would help anyone out. They can't understand why anyone would 22 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: want to bring her any harm. She was last seen 23 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: in Oxford, Mississippipitis. On routine patrol discovered the victim's body 24 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: near Harmontown, neighbors tell Fox thirteen Memphis. The body was 25 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: found by a picnic table near Sardis Lake, a popular 26 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: gathering spot, and WBLT reports she had been shot eight 27 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: times back in Ali's home in suburban Saint Louis. Her father, 28 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: Keith posted on Facebook, we were visited by the Sunset Hills, 29 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: Missouri police who communicated to us that our beautiful dear 30 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: Alexandria Ali Costal was the victim of a homicide. What 31 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: happened to this beautiful young girl? We know eight gunshot wounds, 32 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: eight gunshot wounds to a girl that apparently had no 33 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: enemies whatsoever. But what more is there to know about Ali? 34 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: You were just hearing from our friend at Fox News 35 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: that was Jonathan's Sirie. But take listen to Katherine Hassell. 36 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,399 Speaker 1: We know that Ali graduated from Lindburg High School behind 37 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: me in twenty sixteen. From there, she went on to 38 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: Old Miss and studied marketing. Now, what we don't know 39 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: is how Ali's body ended up near a lake Saturday morning. 40 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: A TV station in Mississippi is reporting that Ali was 41 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: last seen stopping by the door of a bar near 42 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: campus Friday night, but she never went in. Now the 43 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: station also reports authorities close to the case say that 44 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: Ali went home around midnight but then left, and that 45 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: her roommates did not hear her leave. Ali's body was 46 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: found Saturday morning, about twenty miles from campus. Lafayette County 47 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: Sheriff's deputy spotted it during a routine patrol. Now, Ali 48 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: had been shot eight times. Ali was supposed to graduate 49 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 1: from Old Miss this spring. She had also started the 50 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: golf club at the school and was the president of it. 51 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: In a Facebook post, her dad wrote that she was 52 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: there doing summer classes and also teaching some fitness classes. 53 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: Oh my stars, that is just breaking my heart because 54 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: for so many different reasons, but this girl, Ali Costule 55 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: is just a few years believe it or not, older 56 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: than my little twins age eleven. She's just ten years 57 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: older than them, twenty one years old. She's just maybe herself. 58 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: And when I hear that her dad was out posting 59 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: she was a president of the golf club. Jack, you 60 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: look at me. I'm getting chills all the way up 61 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: now my arms, because just this past couple of seventy 62 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: two hours, David and I have been going round and 63 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: round about should the twins play at school sport? Is 64 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: it too much? With piano and saxophone and enquire and 65 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: scouts and to pile something else on them? And every 66 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: thing we talk about it's like we've done in ourselves, 67 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: you know, as she will cut, I think I'm gonna 68 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: cry about that father's posting about his little girl Ali 69 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: on the golf club. You know why, Nancy, in part 70 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: because as a parent, we all do everything for our children, 71 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: and he did everything right, so to speak. And she 72 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: was successful and young and vibrant and doing what every 73 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: parent dreams of and going to college and playing golf, 74 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: and yet he couldn't protect her from this unknown evil. 75 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: And that's the worst, most heartbreaking part. Okay, he got 76 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: to me all right, old miss student, just twenty one 77 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: years old, found dead in a homicide, shot eight times 78 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,119 Speaker 1: at a lake twenty miles away from campus. It takes 79 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: me back, it really does, to being in college and 80 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: of course I had dropped out after my fiance had 81 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: passed away. But then when I finally went, I had 82 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: to go double time and go to summer school and 83 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: catch up, and was also working in the library, and 84 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: you know, in my own little world, and I'm thinking 85 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: about her. She's absolutely stunning Ali Costile teaching these exercise 86 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: classes and taking classes for herself. Guys, let me introduce 87 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: my all star lineup as I pulled myself back together 88 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: here as she will cut with me that I just 89 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: went to judge and trial attorney. You can find her 90 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:29,119 Speaker 1: at Ashley Wilcot dot com. Renowned criminal defense attorney. Jason 91 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: Oceans joining me Adam, New York. Karen Smith, forensics expert 92 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: and a founder of Bear Bones Consulting. Renowned psychologists joining 93 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: me out of Manhattan. Karen Stark, doctor at Michelle Dupree, 94 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: medical examiner, author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide, and joining 95 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: me right now. Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter Ellen 96 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: Kill Lauren Ellen. Okay, a lot has happened in the 97 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: last twenty four hours, and I mean a lot when 98 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: it comes to Ali Costile. But I just want to 99 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: start where I start every investigation, Ellen, and that is 100 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: with the body. The forensics and the timeline hit me, Nancy. 101 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: It was Saturday morning. A Lafayette County Sheriff's deputy was 102 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: on a routine patrol year Sertus League, which is about 103 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: thirty minutes from the Old Miss campus in Oxford. He 104 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: finds the body of Ali Costile. We know that she 105 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: was shot eight times and all eight gunshot moss were 106 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: in her abdomen, her stomach area, nowhere else on her body. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, ellen, Colaura, 107 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: I'm drinking from the fire hydra right now. I know 108 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like it, but you're giving me a 109 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: lot of forensic information right now. Let me go straight 110 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: out to a veteran medical examiner. I can't tell you 111 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: how much I look up to doctor Michelle Dupree joining 112 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: me out of South Carolina, author of homicide investigation Field Guy, 113 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: Doctor Dupree, this is telling me a lot which I'm 114 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,799 Speaker 1: going to learn from Karen Stark psychologist and Karen Smith 115 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: forensic expert. But eight gunshot wounds to the abdomen, we 116 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: know that she had been dead for a period of hours, 117 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: and she's out by a picnic table near a lake, 118 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: which means she's out in the elements. All right, break 119 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: it down for me, doctor Michelle dupre Nancy. Eight gunshot 120 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: wounds is a lot. That's devastating. Eight gunshot wounds to 121 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: the abdomen. We have so many vital organs in that area. 122 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: That is a devastating injury. She will believe to hop 123 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: in no time. Guys, we're talking about Ali Costial, a 124 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: gorgeous twenty one year old old miss student found dead. 125 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: Karen Stark, I find it. You're the psychologist, but I 126 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: want to read too much into it, because in the 127 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: heat of a moment and you're pulling a trigger, I 128 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: don't know if you intend to fire, where you end 129 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: up firing. I don't know if it's happenstance where the 130 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: bullets land. I don't know how good of a marksman 131 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: the purposn't I can tell you right now. Of course, 132 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: this is a guy. For instance, in the Jody Area's case, 133 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: there were about twenty eight stab wounds and a gunshot 134 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: wound to the head. Now to me, the gunshot wound 135 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: to the head was clearly clearly intended for the head. 136 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: But the other knife wounds I think were intentionally inflicted 137 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: in certain spots. What does it say to you? Eight 138 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: bullets to the abdomen. It says that this killer, it seems, 139 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: knew her and wanted that kind of intimacy that close 140 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: to her, and that it was very very personal mancy 141 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: because you have to be right there next to her, 142 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: looking at her as you're shooting her. And it's not 143 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: just one gunshot wound, it's eight. Well, you know, Karen Smith, 144 00:08:54,720 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: forensic expert, founder of a Beer Buns Consulting. Eight gunshot wounds. Now, 145 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: let's see what does that say to you? Is how 146 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: many does that mean the person emptied the entire gun 147 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: out did they reload? That says to me either they're 148 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: a heck of a marksman, I mean a sharpshooter, or 149 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: this was at close range. I agree with you. You know, 150 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: as a police officer, we carried fifteen rounds in one magazine, 151 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: one in the chambers, sixteen total. You know, normal civilians 152 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: there's nine. You can carry one in the chamber that 153 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: would be ten. So I don't know, if you know, 154 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: if this was a revolver, they would have to reload. 155 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: If it was a semi automatic, they may not have 156 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: had to. But you know, it goes back to what 157 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: you said. This was an intimate crime. This wasn't something 158 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 1: like a robbery. You know that maybe one or two eight. 159 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: That spends the investigation into a completely different realm. Manswer 160 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. This gravel stretch off a 161 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 1: Lafayette County road leads you to a quiet spot. It'll 162 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: run right into the Stardust Lake. The only thing nearby 163 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: is one building. This is where people who live near 164 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: the shore tell me the body was found. It's crazy, 165 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:29,359 Speaker 1: it's just sad. Sadness fills the hearts of Ali Coostile's 166 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: family and former Ole miss classmates. Is very, very shocking. 167 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, it's close at home. 168 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: Deputy say, they found the twenty one year old's body 169 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: while on routine patrol in Harmontown, Mississippi. People who live 170 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: in a nearby neighborhood tell me the body was found 171 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: by this picnic table on Buford Ridge. Investigators say foul 172 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: play was involved. There is somebody that knows somebody. I'm 173 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: pretty sure the way well, of course there's foul play. 174 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: She shot eight times in the stomach, not only that 175 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: of where somebody knows something. Why do people always say 176 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: somebody knows something. Of course, somebody knows something, even if 177 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: it's the killer himself. Somebody always knows something. Oh, it's 178 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: just trite. It's just trite. Just I swear it's physically 179 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: putting a bad taste in my mouth. Somebody knows something. 180 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: I think they knew, of course. I mean, oh, I'm 181 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: just thinking about the parents, and I just go back 182 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: to the dad posting about how proud he was of 183 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: her being on the golf club. Oh, guys, you were 184 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: just hearing from our friend Alexe Lorenzo at Fox thirteen 185 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: Memphis reporting on what we know before the let me 186 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: just say, man on the street jumped in saying, somebody 187 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: knows something. So much has happened in the last twelve hours, 188 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: even and the murderer of a twenty one year old 189 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: old miss student. But why why it was Ali? Cost 190 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: you'll out at Sardis Lake, twenty miles away from campus 191 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: to take a listen to our friend Alexis Lorenzo. Ali 192 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: grew up in St. Louis, Missouri. She moved to Oxford 193 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: to study marketing at All miss She was the president 194 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: of the university golf club, a member of a business fraternity, 195 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: and a group fitness instructor. I's also on my snapchat 196 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: where there is a party somewhere on there. Detectives have 197 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: yet to say why Ali was at the Leake. Investigators 198 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: tell Fox thirteen they have several leads in this case, 199 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: but have not released those details. Somebody like that as 200 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: run around Oxford to do that to somebody else. You know, 201 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: if you have any information, call your local crime stoppers line. 202 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: A party, a party, you know. I'm just handed in 203 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: a manuscript for a new book, nonfiction Hailey Dean will 204 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: have to wait. This is about a crime wave of 205 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: in America and how not to be a victim, And 206 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: an entire chapter is addresses parties that get out of control, 207 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: parties where you don't know who all is there. You 208 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: just kind of show up, parties that have been advertised 209 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: online and you just jump in. And what got me 210 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: involved in that? I know you remember this, Jason Oceans 211 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: with me renowned to fits the turn me Out of 212 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: New York, New Jersey area. Jason Oceans, you and I 213 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: covered this case together. It was Carly Brook and she 214 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: was the gorgeous young girl that dressed up is poison 215 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: ivy and went to a big Halloween party. I don't 216 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: know if she knew it had been advertised on Twitter 217 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: and Facebook. They were like five hundred seven hundred people 218 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: there and then she goes missing. And what made it 219 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 1: so hard, Jason, as you'll remember, because you and I 220 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: sat on the set talking about it, was she was 221 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: in costume, so nobody She had on like a red 222 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 1: Poison Ivy wig, you know comic book Poison Ivy, the villain. 223 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: She had on the red wig and the outfit so 224 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: nobody could go. Yeah, I saw a blondheaded girl with glasses, 225 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: wearing jeans and a red T shirt leave because she 226 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: was Poison Ivy, and it made it so much more difficult. 227 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: My point is that these parties, you go to a 228 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: party you hear about, you don't know who's there. You 229 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: don't know who you're coming in contact with. Now I 230 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: don't know if that's the case here, but one of 231 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: the friends says they heard that there was a party 232 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: out at Sardis Lake. Now, Jay, you have a girl 233 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: and boy, yep, aren't they about this age? Yeah? Twenty 234 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: and seventeen right there, you got it in. I mean, 235 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: this girl, Ali Costi is twenty one years old. And 236 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: when I look back, let's say twenty one, I can't 237 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: remember what I was doing. Oh yeah, college and about 238 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: to go to law school. I would just get in 239 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: the car and drive off go running at night. That 240 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: was my favorite time to run. What an idiot when 241 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: I look back on it. If she had gone to 242 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: a party, she probably didn't think twice about it, Jason, 243 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: Now I'm I'm sure she didn't. And certainly you parle 244 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: all the ages, and you know the invincibility of age 245 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: and not thinking about you know such things. You know 246 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: who's there and how to recognize everybody, and you know 247 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: a level of comfort, and that creates an opportunity, as 248 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: you know, for you know, for predators, that's what they 249 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: wait for. They wait for opportunity and seize it and 250 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: they take the vulnerable. A lot happening in the last 251 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: twelve hours. Elan Kilauren with me Crime online dot Com 252 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: investigative reporter. I also have learned this remote area includes 253 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: a fishing camp in an area where locals and college 254 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: students ride ATVs on weekends when the water is low, 255 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: and according to a local news station, I'll learned the 256 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: water had been high on Friday and Saturday, so there 257 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: was less activity in the area, Ellen Colora, what more 258 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: can you tell me a about the discovery of her body? 259 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: Who found it? What time of the day or night 260 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: was it found? Was nine one one called immediately? Was 261 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: she clothed? Was she face up or face down? Were 262 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: there any other markings on her body such as lookature 263 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: or bruising. Was she wearing her shoes? If not, were 264 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: her shoes and her clothing in the same area. What 265 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: more can you tell me if anything about the area 266 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: and the discovery of her body, Like you said, Nancy, 267 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: this Service Lake is a popular area with locals and students, 268 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: but police said this past weekend traffic to the area 269 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: was low and it's very very hard to get to. 270 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: You don't accidentally happen upon startists, like, if you're going there, 271 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: you have to know where you're going. We don't know 272 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: if there was anyone else there. We know that Ali 273 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: had gone home to her apartment at around midnight, but 274 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: she left again. Her roommates didn't hear her leave the 275 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: next thing. We know that a deputy on a routine 276 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: patrol at the league Saturday morning signs her body. We 277 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: didn't know anything about the condition of her body, and 278 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: we still don't know much at all. We don't know 279 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: the positioning, we don't know if there were additional injuries. 280 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: Police have been very very tight lipped because this is 281 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: an active investigation, you know, as she will caught seem 282 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: to have been to a lot of different colleges and universities. 283 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: But I before I went to Mercer and in Miyu, 284 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: I started off at Valdosta State University down on the 285 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: Georgia Florida line, and I was just thinking, and I 286 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: hadn't thought about this since since A left Aldasta, that 287 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: people were always having parties at some lakes down in Florida, 288 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: and it wasn't that far away or lakes you know, 289 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: out in rural, remote areas, there are always like cookouts 290 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: and picnics, big parties. And I've never thought twice about 291 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: hitch and ride with someone you know, kind of knew 292 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: and going to the party and just assuming I would 293 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: get home. Okay, I mean I never thought twice about it, Ashley, Right, Well, 294 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: there's so many risk factors with college anyways, But think 295 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: about the parties. I grew up in Texas and at 296 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: Texas school. The same way you go out to the lakes, Dude, 297 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,199 Speaker 1: go tubing, and you have huge parties on the river, 298 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: on the lake. And one of the things Nancy is 299 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: to keep in mind that it's not just about going 300 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: to the party. It's all the associated risk factors. You 301 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: don't know who's there, or you may choose to have 302 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: a drink, you may have too many drinks, or you 303 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: may have something in a drink, even if it's just 304 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: a soft drink so that somebody slipped in. There're just 305 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: a lot of risk factors. The other thing that disturbs 306 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 1: me in this case, we don't yet know did she 307 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: know this guy? Maybe this was someone she was seeing 308 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: that she was spending time with it she had a relationship. 309 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, Ashley Wilcott guy, as you can find 310 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: Ashley Askeley Wilcott dot com. But as I've been telling 311 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: you a lot breaking in the last twelve to twenty 312 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: four hours, take a listen to Fox thirteen Memphis reporter 313 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: Greg coy Redon Thiefsfeld grew up in Fort Worth, Dallas 314 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: area in Texas. Of course, but tonight he is in 315 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: a Fayette County jail and he's awaiting trial for murder. 316 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: But we got a chance to look at his social 317 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: media accounts before they were purged, and we found out 318 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 1: that he wasn't trying to hide or who simply was 319 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: unaware that the police were looking for him for murder. 320 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: This surveillance picture shows Brandon Thievesfeld walking into a gas 321 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: station Monday morning in South Memphis to buy gas and juice. 322 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: The twenty two year old murder suspect, unaware the officers 323 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: were following him and ready to arrest him. Cossipolis I 324 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: checked his social media accounts. Gone is his Facebook account, 325 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: but before it was removed, we found pictures of him 326 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: with friends and a two thousand and seventeen posts that 327 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 1: criticizes Old miss decision to remove a Confederate statue on campus. 328 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: On Twitter, I found three retweets from him two days 329 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 1: after Alexandria Ali Costiel's body was found. Crime Stories with 330 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Brandon Fiasfelt's father is an anesthesiologist in the 331 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: Dallas Fort Worth area. He is speaking out saying that 332 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: his son is innocent. He's asking people to withhold judgment 333 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: of Brandon for now. Twenty two year old Brandon Fiefsfeld 334 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: is a student at Old Miss University. He was arrested 335 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: Monday afternoon and held over night in the Lafayette County, 336 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 1: Mississippi jail. Today, he made his first court appearance on 337 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 1: charges of murdering twenty one year old Ali Castile. The 338 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: suspect's father is a doctor in Fort Worth and runs 339 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 1: a pain clinic. Doctor Daniel Thiasfield released a statement saying, 340 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: I know my son is innocent, and I have reason 341 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: to believe that. I can't share anything now, but I 342 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: would ask everybody to please give him the presumption of 343 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 1: innocence until proven otherwise. Okay, I'll do that. I'll give 344 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: him the presumption of innocence. You are hearing from KMOV 345 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: news reporter Russell kin Saul reporting on Brandon Thieasfield's father. 346 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: Who is Brandon Thiasfield? What could the father know that 347 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: nobody else knows? With me? Ashley Wilcott, Jason Oceans, Karen Smith, 348 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: Karen Stark, doctor Michelle Dupree, and Ellen Colorne. Who is 349 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: Brandon Thiefield? Ellen Colorine? What do we know? We know 350 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: that Brandon was also taking summer classes at Old mess. 351 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: We know that Brandon and Ali were photographed together as 352 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: far back as a two thousand and sixteen, which would 353 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: have been both of their freshman year, So they've known 354 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: each other. We hold on, let me process what you're saying. 355 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: They've known each other since two thousand sixteen. That's right, Okay, 356 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: it's two thousand nineteen. Now, if that were their freshman year, 357 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: that would have been the fall, the fall of two 358 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen, So fall two seventeen, two eighteen. So 359 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: they've known each other about two and a half years, 360 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: because it's not fall of two thousand nineteen yet, but 361 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: two and a half three years. And there's a picture 362 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: of them together. Ellen, Are they at a dance or 363 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: do they happen to be standing next to each other 364 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: at a party, golf club event? I mean, what's the 365 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: context of the photo? Well, there are multiple photos, Nancy, 366 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: but all of them appear to be taken at some 367 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 1: kind of a social gathering. In one or possibly two 368 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: of the photos, they are addressed. They're wearing late is 369 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 1: there a dresses though they've gone to an event. That's 370 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: a Hawaiian That seems it's very effessive. They have their 371 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: arms around each other. These aren't random candid photos. They're 372 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: posing for the camera. They know each other. Well, wait 373 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Okay, Karen Starts, 374 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: psychologist from Manhattan. Granted, they know each other, and I'm 375 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: not saying that they're not or we're not dating. But 376 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: you know, when you're at a college event and you're 377 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: at a Hawaiian party, everybody's wearing a lay, everybody's dressed Hawaiian, 378 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: and you can walk up to anybody and put your 379 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: arm around them. I mean, when I do a book 380 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: signing or any kind of event, every person comes up 381 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: to me, I give them a big hug. But that 382 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: doesn't mean I'm dating them, not that I know of anyway. So, 383 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 1: Karen Start, a lot can be construed by body language. Agree, disagree? Oh, 384 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: without doubt. You can definitely look at body language. Except 385 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: it seems to me, Nancy, if you look at the 386 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: photograph that they're comfortable with each other. They seem that 387 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: she seems to relaxed, he seems to RelA It doesn't 388 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: look like a stranger. Okay, I agree that they've got 389 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: to know each other. You know, doctor Michelle Dupree, medical 390 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: examiner or author of homicide investigation Field Guy, we know 391 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: she suffered of eight gunshot wounds. Now we're getting information 392 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: from a friend of Brendan these fells and the father's 393 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: insisting he's innocent. His father that he often would carry 394 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: a glock weapon in his car, in his truck that 395 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: had eight rounds in it. What do you make of that? 396 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: Doctor dupre Well answered that so many is a coincidence, 397 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: and you know what we say and unfortunate. We don't 398 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 1: really like coincidences. So what would happen is when the 399 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: bullets are recovered from the body, they would test fire 400 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: the gun and match that up to see if the 401 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: bullets were fired from that weapon. I want to go 402 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 1: to Karen Smith, forensics expert, a founder of Beer Bones 403 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: Consulting way in Karen, Doctor Dupree is right on. That's 404 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: actually what they're gonna do. Any bullets that are recovered 405 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: from the body, they'll do microscopical examination on those. The 406 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: striations that are created when the bullet is fired through 407 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: the muzzle, those are kind of like a fingerprint on 408 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: that projectile. They'll test fire the gun that was found 409 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: in Brandon's truck and they'll do a microscopical comparison. And 410 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: you know, the chances that another gun fired that bullet 411 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: are absolutely astronomical. So that is some really, really serious 412 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: forensic evidence that they're going to have to overcome. If 413 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: that's the case, well, I'm looking at a photo right 414 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: now that Brandon these Fille's dad posted on Facebook calling 415 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: his son a quote gun tactile expert, and I'm guessing 416 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: there's a picture of a man bending over younger guy. 417 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: The younger guy is at target. He's watching or supervising 418 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: a younger guy. It's shooting target practice. And I'm guessing 419 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: one of those guys, the younger one is Brandon, based 420 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: on what the dad posted his own dad posting his 421 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: son is a gun tactile expert. Take a listen to 422 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: our friends kmov. This is Russell KINSL. Castile was last 423 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 1: seen Friday night on a surveillance camera at a bar 424 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 1: in Oxford, Mississippi, where Old Miss is located. A deputy 425 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: found her body Saturday morning near a lake that's about 426 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: thirty miles from campus. Local media in Mississippi is reporting 427 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: she was shot eight times, but the Sheriff's department said 428 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: they can't confirm that until an optopsy is completed. A 429 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: relative of Castile's told News for that Ali and Brandon 430 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: dated off and on. They both were students at Old Miss. 431 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: These fields from Fort Worth, Texas, but graduated high school 432 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: from Sant Marcus Academy, a private Baptist school in Sant Marcus, Texas. 433 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: Castile was attending summer school. She was a marketing major 434 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,959 Speaker 1: and on track to graduate next year. The chancellor at 435 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: Old Miss released a statement expressing sympathy for Castile's family, 436 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: friends and classmates. A gofund me account has been set 437 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,959 Speaker 1: up to help pay for funeral expenses. Guys, I'm learning 438 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: from Fox thirteen Memphis that Theaceville was tracked to a 439 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: gas station in South Memphis using his cell phone and 440 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: credit card. He was spotted entering the store at the 441 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: station wearing an Old Miss shirt. After his pickup truck 442 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: was spotted by a patrol officer. Cops swarmed the gas 443 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: station and blocked him there in the gas station, straight 444 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 1: back to Ellen Colora. What more do we know about 445 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: his detainment, Well, Nancy, one thing that I think is 446 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: important to know is how quickly he was arrested. Ali 447 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: was found dead hours after she was last seen, before 448 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: she could have even been reported missing, and investigators somehow 449 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: new enough to track Brandon these felt movements via his 450 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: cellphone on his credit card. Two days had gone by, 451 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: he's in Memphis, Tennessee. That this police are already working 452 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 1: in cooperation with authorities in Lafayette County, and they surround 453 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 1: him at a gas station where we, like you said, 454 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: he's seen not surveillancecare camera, wearing an old miss t shirt. 455 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: We know that once when at the time of his 456 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: arrest there was blood on his clothes and authorities found 457 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 1: a weapon in his trucks. You know, to Jason Oceans, 458 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: veteran criminal defense attorney, what a lot of people would 459 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: call good police work, Like me, a defense attorney, will 460 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: have a field day with that, claiming that cops honed 461 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: in on him first without considering other suspects. If the 462 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: arrest was that quick, I mean to me, two days 463 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: isn't that quick, But some people would argue it is. 464 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: I don't disagree, Nancy. But you know, just here in 465 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: the very you know, circumstantial early stages and describing you know, 466 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: everything that we're hearing doesn't doesn't look good for Brandon, 467 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: but you know, ballistic texts, ballistic texts of the basic element. Right, 468 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 1: it's not DNA or you know, sorting through any of that. 469 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: So has been discussed that that'll be pretty you know, 470 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: definitive as to matching the bullets to to that gun. So, 471 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: at least at the moment, not looking good at all. 472 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: To Karen Smith, forensic expert, founder of Bare Bones Consulting, 473 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: Karen weigh in on the ballistics, Well, you've got the 474 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: ballistics that we've talked about. Gun. If it's a block, 475 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,479 Speaker 1: that's the semi automatic in ejects casings. The casings can 476 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: also be matched to the gun. You have ejector pin marks, 477 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: you have firing pin marks, those can also be microscopically 478 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: matched to the gun. Another thing I heard that blood 479 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: was found on the clothing. Wait, whoa whoa, whoa whoa 480 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: whoa whoa whoa whoa Karen Smith, Yeah, okay, you've gone 481 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: into warp warp five here, explain to everybody listening, what 482 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: do you mean by when a gun on a shot 483 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: is fied you late ejector pin marks. Just break down 484 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: what you just said. Sure, when you have a semi 485 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: auto matic gun, the casings automatically eject as the triggers pulled, 486 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: and they usually eject up into the right off of 487 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: a glock that can position the shooter, that can position 488 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: where the person was along with maybe the ground is wet, 489 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: there may be some shoeprints or scuff marks. Based on that. 490 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: You take those casings that are fired and you can 491 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: do microscopic comparison of the firing pin mark. That's that's 492 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: where the firing pin strikes that casing and fires the 493 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: bullet out the gun. There's an ejector pin mark where 494 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: the bullet is ejected. That's a small little mark on 495 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: the casing as well. So all of these ballistic tests, 496 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: along with the projectiles that may have been recovered from 497 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: her body and from the ground, if that's the case, 498 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: all of those can be linked right back to that 499 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: glock that was allegedly found in his car. In the 500 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: last hours, a very chilling and disturbing tweet emerges quote 501 00:29:54,960 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: she'll never see it coming quote did twenty two years 502 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: old Brandon Thespil, who's now accused of shooting Ala Costule 503 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: like a very disturbing gun tweet on the day Ali's 504 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: body is found. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Friends say 505 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: that Ali Costal had no enemies and was the type 506 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: of person who would help anyone out. They can't understand 507 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: why anyone would want to bring her any harm. She 508 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: was last seen in Oxford, Mississippi, late Friday. The very 509 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: next day, Lafayette County deputies on routine patrol discovered the 510 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: victim's body near Harmontown, neighbors tell Fox thirteen Memphis. The 511 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: body was found by a picnic table near Sardis Lake, 512 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: a popular gathering spot, and WBLT reports she had been 513 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: shot eight times back in Ali's home in suburban Saint Louis. 514 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: Her father, Keith posted on Facebook, we were visited by 515 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: the Sunset Hills, Missouri police who communicated to us that 516 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: our beautiful dear Alexandria Ali Costel was the victim of 517 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: a homicide. You were hearing our friends at ABC. That 518 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: was Marcus Moore reporting. Now we know a twenty two 519 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: year old fellow student, Brandon Thisville, has been taken into custody. 520 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: He was sworn by police at a local gas station. 521 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: He was wearing an Olmy's T shirt, apparently had bloody 522 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: clothes in his truck, and a weapon was taken out 523 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: of his truck. Ali shot eight times straight out to 524 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: Karen Stark, psychologist joining me. Karen Stark, the father is 525 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: insisting his son is innocent. What do you make of 526 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: it that he Then this is a doctor, medical doctor 527 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: who runs a paying clinic, is the father of Brandon 528 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: Thisville says he has information that other people do not have. 529 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: What do you make of it? Well, it's pastoral, Nancy. 530 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: He's also his father, and you know, as a parent, 531 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: it's very hard to believe that your child is capable 532 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: of this kind of a crime. So it doesn't surprise 533 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: me at all that his father would go out of 534 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: his way to say that his son is innocent. Does 535 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: he really have some kind of proof that his son 536 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: is innocent. I would be surprised because the police went 537 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: after him, But it doesn't surprise me that a father 538 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: would come to his son's defense. Yeah, to ask you 539 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: Wilcot judge and trial lawyer, you can find her at 540 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: ask you Wilcot dot com, Ashley, what do you make 541 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: of him? The day Ali's body is found? And these 542 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: pictures do look like they were dating? That Hawaiian party 543 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: picture Eka was talking about, they do look like they're dating. 544 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: You know, he's got his arm around her, she's got 545 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: her arm around him. It's not, you know, that probitive, 546 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: but to me it looks like they're dating. But what 547 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,959 Speaker 1: do you make of the day, her body's found, and 548 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: even if they weren't dating their friends and she's missing, 549 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: and he is liking a tweet, and let me be clear, 550 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: it is a computer generated image that he liked. It's 551 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: from that horrible game Call of Duty. And you've got 552 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: a gamer aiming a gun at an airport split with 553 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: a picture of a woman at the same location, and 554 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: it reads quote, She'll never see it coming now. That 555 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: post was liked by an account belonging to Brendan Thsfield reportedly, 556 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: Here's what I make of that, Nancy. Can you imagine 557 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: if I were on the bench, I would expect to 558 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: hear that as part of the evidence against him in 559 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: a trial against him for murder, because it goes to 560 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: premeditation or it also goes to showing circumstantial evidence that 561 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: he had the wherewithal it is the mindset that he 562 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,239 Speaker 1: did it, but it's an admission of sorts. So you know, 563 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: I think it means that if he did this, it 564 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: was cold, it was calculated, and it goes to a 565 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: state of mind and that he did have the ability 566 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: to actually kill someone in cold blood. You know, it's 567 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: amazing to me how your whole life can change in 568 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: the span of just a couple of hours Ali was 569 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,760 Speaker 1: last seeing. She had been I think out with friends, 570 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 1: came home, and then she left again around midnight. At 571 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: ten thirty am, her body was found. Everything happened in 572 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 1: ten short hours, and Ali's gone. She's gone forever. Doctor 573 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: Michelle du Pretty, medical examine or author of Homicide Investigation 574 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 1: Field Guide. What more, if anything, can we learn from 575 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: Ali Costile's body, Nancy, The body is a wealth of information. 576 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: Body is a crime see in and South. In crimes 577 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: like this, there may be trace evidence, hairs, fibers. We've 578 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: even live to single prints awful bodies, So there's still 579 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: a lot more information that we could gather. To Ellen 580 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,399 Speaker 1: klaurin Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter, what more are 581 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,760 Speaker 1: we learning? Rancy? Since we're talking about tweets that he likes, 582 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 1: I thought I should mentioned a tweet that he actually 583 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: wrote himself. The very same day that Ali Costil's body 584 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: was found. He wrote a tweet himself on July twenty one, 585 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: and it said it's a reference to the reference to 586 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: the song you Dropped a Bomb on Me, which is 587 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,240 Speaker 1: an old old song, but the tweet says you dropped 588 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: a bomb on me my number one pick for groovy 589 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: song of the summer. Now, okay to Ellen, if you 590 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: don't mind, could you say that one more time, just 591 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: very slowly, you dropped a bomb on me, my number 592 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: one pick for groovy song of the summer. Guys, we're 593 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: learning more information. It's very unclear what the relationship was 594 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: like between the two of these leading up to her murder. 595 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: But one of her friends wrote about her relationship with 596 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: these film on Twitter, and it's got to be confirmed. Quote. 597 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: He harassed her for years, took advantage of her for years. 598 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:15,280 Speaker 1: I spent countless nights holding Ali close, drawing her tears 599 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:23,720 Speaker 1: about this monster. Okay to me, that says a lot. 600 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: What about it, Ashley Nancy, I can't you know? That 601 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 1: says so what? Did they have a relationship? They didn't 602 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: have a good relationship, And a person to describe a 603 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 1: male and a female's life as a monster is indicative 604 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: of there being a lot of problems in that relationship 605 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 1: and it not being what I would call a good person. Guys, 606 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,320 Speaker 1: if you have any information at all, whether it's important 607 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 1: or not, if you know, if you know anything, please 608 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 1: call Lafayette County Sheriff's at sixty six two two three 609 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: four six four two one repeat six six two two 610 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 1: three four six four two one. We wait as justice unfolds. 611 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off goodbye friend,