Speaker 1: Good morning, keeps, and welcome to will Kate f Daily
Speaker 1: with Meet your Girl. Daniel Moody recording from the Home Bunker. Folks,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to sugarcoat I am struggling, as I
Speaker 1: know that many of you are struggling right now. I
Speaker 1: am struggling to make sense of nonsense. I am struggling
Speaker 1: to find the energy to overcome the considerable amount of death, destruction, despair, genocide, hopelessness,
Speaker 1: depravity that we are consuming daily. I put out a
Speaker 1: couple of TikTok videos this week for the first of
Speaker 1: the new year, because honestly, I haven't had the energy.
Speaker 1: I haven't had the energy to be angry, because a
Speaker 1: kind of numbness has washed over me following the holidays.
Speaker 1: As many of you know, I lost a very dear
Speaker 1: friend at the end of last year, and so I
Speaker 1: have been challenged in terms of reconciling with that reality.
Speaker 1: At the same time also trying to reconcile with the
Speaker 1: reality that there are a considerable amount of human beings
Speaker 1: that are absolutely fucking depraved, that lack no moral compass,
Speaker 1: no sense of humanity, of our shared humanity, that are
Speaker 1: literally cheering and applauding death. You know, I say this
Speaker 1: often because you know, as the years progressed, you can't
Speaker 1: help but reflect right on where you've come, how much
Speaker 1: you've learned, god willing, how much you've changed. And you know,
Speaker 1: I can remember so clearly sitting in my middle school
Speaker 1: auditorium where we were all gathered I want to say
Speaker 1: it was either seventh or eighth grade or so to
Speaker 1: watch Shindler's List, because it was that time where we
Speaker 1: were learning about World War Two. And you know, Shindler's
Speaker 1: List is like one of those films that you really
Speaker 1: only need to see one time. Right, It is heartbreaking,
Speaker 1: it is devastating, and then when you learn as a
Speaker 1: young person that this is not fiction, right, this happened,
Speaker 1: it becomes really hard to digest. Because you're taught, right,
Speaker 1: at least most of us, right from wrong, you know,
Speaker 1: good from bad, nice from evil, so on and so forth,
Speaker 1: and so I can remember, you know that there was
Speaker 1: always something about World War Two and the Holocaust that
Speaker 1: stuck with me more so than any of the other
Speaker 1: wars that I would learn about. And you know, Vietnam
Speaker 1: I would really come to a clearer understanding much later
Speaker 1: in life, and thankfully, as my sister would live there
Speaker 1: for over a decade to be able to see history
Speaker 1: through somebody else's lens, right, other than what we're fed
Speaker 1: in the United States.
Speaker 2: But the Holocaust and.
Speaker 1: Going to the Holocaust Museum, understanding that the world sat
Speaker 1: by as six million people were savagely brutally murdered, and
Speaker 1: I couldn't understand how that could be. And it was
Speaker 1: similarly with slavery and white people buying human beings that walk,
Speaker 1: that talk, that speak, that have brains, that have babies,
Speaker 1: that have feelings, and literally on your way to go
Speaker 1: buy a new pat or pick up a carton of
Speaker 1: eggs that you're walking past, human beings that are naked
Speaker 1: put up on butcher blocks for you to choose from.
Speaker 1: I don't understand the depravity that human beings are capable of.
Speaker 1: It is so I realize why I feel so destabilized
Speaker 1: right now. I'm both managing personal grief and loss, yes,
Speaker 1: while managing collective grief and loss. We've learned nothing, and
Speaker 1: it's not even the fault right of us, mere citizens,
Speaker 1: mere mortals inside of this matrix of greed and capitalism
Speaker 1: and imperialism and extraction and patriarchy, because we haven't been
Speaker 1: given the full story. The wall was put over our
Speaker 1: eyes to hold up America as some type of beacon.
Speaker 1: Bring me, you're tired, you're and you're poor. Unless they
Speaker 1: are brown, unless they are black, unless they don't assimilate,
Speaker 1: unless we don't see.
Speaker 2: Them as human.
Speaker 1: Everything about this country, and frankly, global imperialism has a
Speaker 1: fucking asterisk. And it's like the more that I learn,
Speaker 1: the more that I have access to, the more destabilized
Speaker 1: I feel. The fact is that the maga supremacist neo
Speaker 1: fascist movement wants us stabilized in their life, talked quietly
Speaker 1: and obediently, in their matrix of white supremacy. Where we
Speaker 1: are right now, is that not only by virtue of
Speaker 1: watching a genocide take place in real time inside of
Speaker 1: Gaza at the hands of Israel forces, is that the
Speaker 1: world is collectively waking up and saying, wait a minute, how.
Speaker 2: Fucking long has this been going on? Wait a minute,
Speaker 2: who's been funding this? I thought it was a democracy.
Speaker 1: This doesn't look like any democracy I know, but it
Speaker 1: looks like something eerily from familiar. You can't uphold the
Speaker 1: idea of courageous, brave men and women fighting for democracy
Speaker 1: at home and abroad and see videos and images like
Speaker 1: what is coming out of Gaza. You can uphold and say, oh,
Speaker 1: but Netanyahu is our friend, but Putin is our enemy.
Speaker 1: But they both doing the same fucking thing. So how
Speaker 1: we reconcile this upside down, broken, wide open reality that
Speaker 1: we are in right now is destabilizing because right and
Speaker 1: wrong we were taught should be very clear, banning books wrong,
Speaker 1: denying people housing wrong. But as it turns out, we've
Speaker 1: been living in a state of gray. Our tax dollars
Speaker 1: use to fund all types of genocides, all types of war.
Speaker 1: We wonder why the world is so unstable right now, Well,
Speaker 1: let's look at all of the unnecessary interventions that the
Speaker 1: United States and the United Kingdom and others have done
Speaker 1: in regions in order to extract uranium, diamonds, oil. Who
Speaker 1: gives a fuck about the people on top of the land.
Speaker 1: We'll just put people in power, like we're playing one
Speaker 1: big global game of monopoly. Who will do our bidding? Well, folks,
Speaker 1: why are we in the place that we're in right now?
Speaker 1: Because the chickens have come home to roost? Because these
Speaker 1: white men, greedy, wealthy, powerful white men can't run from
Speaker 1: the lie fast enough anymore. Right, everything's been broken open. Sure,
Speaker 1: there is a lot of misinformation out there, but folks,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of fucking information out there too.
Speaker 2: So if we want to know, you can know.
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody stopping you, not here, not on this great
Speaker 1: Internet right now. But I tell you that if the
Speaker 1: neo fascist Maga supremacy have their way, not only are
Speaker 1: they controlling your uteruses, they're controlling your access to every
Speaker 1: kind of information. Where the United States will look like
Speaker 1: China as it pertains to what you can know and
Speaker 1: not know, it will look like the thought police in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four. We are in the midst of an
Speaker 1: extraordinarily chaotic reckoning, and we have to decide who we
Speaker 1: are going to be on the other side today. You're
Speaker 1: gonna hear me in my interview with Jonathan I am
Speaker 1: exhausted when we tape this. I'm exhausted. I was feeling
Speaker 1: hopeless and frustrated.
Speaker 2: I've rested since.
Speaker 1: But I play this for you because I want you
Speaker 1: to know that I too, vacillate greatly between the energy
Speaker 1: that I have to mount a resistance to change, how
Speaker 1: I resist and how I show up and some days,
Speaker 1: I don't want to show up at all. But the
Speaker 1: fact is that what we are seeing right now has
Speaker 1: been going on for a millennia. The question is whether
Speaker 1: or not we want to be a part of creating
Speaker 1: the breaking open of the transparency, of the authenticity, of
Speaker 1: the honesty, so that we can help the next generations
Speaker 1: create something better than the shit that we are in
Speaker 1: right now. But I urge every one of us to
Speaker 1: start asking questions of ourselves about what we thought was
Speaker 1: true and what actually is, to educate ourselves to expand
Speaker 1: beyond what is, because what is was created for the
Speaker 1: benefit of a small group of people, a couple of
Speaker 1: countries that then get it, got to dictate to everyone else.
Speaker 1: Everything is changing, everything is upside down, But the fact
Speaker 1: is it has never been really right side up. We're
Speaker 1: just now tilting our heads, rubbing our eyes and seeing
Speaker 1: things clearer than we ever have before. Information education is power.
Speaker 1: What we do with it is going to determine who
Speaker 1: we become, not just ten months from now with our election,
Speaker 1: but collectively as humanity. Coming up next, my conversation with
Speaker 1: our friend, our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel.
Speaker 2: Folks.
Speaker 1: Whenever we have the opportunity each week to sit down
Speaker 1: with our in house doctor who now I'm just going
Speaker 1: to start asking for medication from uh.
Speaker 2: Doctor Jonathan Metzel.
Speaker 1: I am always so please, and Jonathan, Iowa caucuses have happened, Uh,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump head and shoulders above the rest of the
Speaker 1: Republican clown car with fifty one percent of the vote
Speaker 1: coming in second a scant second Rond De Santis and
Speaker 1: then Nikki Haley. But Jonathan, let me tell you that
Speaker 1: I was watching interviews that MSNBC was doing with folks
Speaker 1: on the ground in Iowa, and this one gentleman, a
Speaker 1: whitey self avowed white evangelical Christian, said that, you know,
Speaker 1: God uses interesting tools in order to get his message
Speaker 1: and point across, and Donald Trump is that interesting tool.
Speaker 1: But he is with him all the way. Donald Trump
Speaker 1: left Iowa and is now a courtroom in New York
Speaker 1: City while we record this for defamation of the woman
Speaker 1: that he was found guilty of raping, Egene Carroll.
Speaker 2: And I am just I'm at a loss.
Speaker 1: And I basically put up a tweet and said, wake
Speaker 1: me up in like mid November when this election will
Speaker 1: be decided and Donald Trump will become president again. Because
Speaker 1: that's what these people want, that's what America wants, and
Speaker 1: so I don't know what we're doing anymore.
Speaker 3: So please, well, I'm glad we're having this conversation, and
Speaker 3: let's have it, even if it means keeping you awake
Speaker 3: until November. Please, because it's so important. So I'll say
Speaker 3: my main thought was that I'm not surprised because I'm
Speaker 3: in Tennessee. I'm in a red state, and my I
Speaker 3: guess my frustration. I don't mean to say this to
Speaker 3: disparage anybody in any way, but if you live in
Speaker 3: a blue state or you just watch MSNBC, you can't
Speaker 3: imagine why one person would vote for Trump, right because MSNBC,
Speaker 3: I mean it's great, like I love MSNBC, but it's
Speaker 3: been like NonStop coverage of the legal troubles and you know,
Speaker 3: they call him the twice in peach, ninety seven times
Speaker 3: indicted former, blah blah blah, and all this kind of stuff,
Speaker 3: Like it's just like, why in the world would anybody
Speaker 3: vote for this guy? And so what you get on
Speaker 3: MSNBC or from you know, liberal Twitter and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: even after Iowa last night, was all of that stuff.
Speaker 3: But you don't understand I think fully how deep the
Speaker 3: bond is between Trump and his voters. You don't understand totally.
Speaker 3: I mean maybe legally is a way, but you don't
Speaker 3: understand like what would it mean to beat Trump? Or
Speaker 3: what's blah blah blah, you know that kind of stuff
Speaker 3: like you get. So I just think that there's been
Speaker 3: an echo chamber for Democrats that I hope was shattered
Speaker 3: last night, which was why in the world would anybody
Speaker 3: vote for this guy? Or I think there was kind
Speaker 3: of a subconscious fantasy that the GOP was going to implode,
Speaker 3: like this guy's not electable. Well, hey, guess what. This
Speaker 3: guy's really electable. You know, he's really charismatic, he's really
Speaker 3: grievance oriented and more than anything else. And you see
Speaker 3: this if you're in the South. He's promising something to
Speaker 3: his voters. He's promising them power, right, which is like
Speaker 3: Spanish fly for long aggrieved conservatives who you know, they're
Speaker 3: not really that agrieved, but that's their narrative. And so
Speaker 3: he's promising them power. He's saying, elect me, and I'm
Speaker 3: going to have power for me and power for you.
Speaker 3: And you feel it if you're down here in a
Speaker 3: red state, and you just don't get that sense. You know,
Speaker 3: if you're in a liberal information network, it's all like
Speaker 3: Trump's in court and Trump is this, and Trump is indicted,
Speaker 3: and Trump's impeached. But you don't see a point that
Speaker 3: I think other people who study fascism, like Jason Stanley,
Speaker 3: for example, I've been making very well, which is all
Speaker 3: this stuff about Trump being a criminal and blah blah blah,
Speaker 3: it doesn't it doesn't speak to the power of Trump,
Speaker 3: and it's really powerful. Right, you actually need to bring
Speaker 3: your a game right now to beat Trump. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think that's kind of it. And so Trump is
Speaker 3: promising power, which is the message that people down here
Speaker 3: want to hear. And they're not going to be convinced
Speaker 3: like all this moralizing about his being a rapist which
Speaker 3: he is, and indicted which he is, and impeach rec
Speaker 3: is all that kind of stuff. It's just it's not
Speaker 3: like you're going to shake people's faith in that. Right.
Speaker 3: Trump is the nominee, and he's more powerful now than
Speaker 3: he was when he left office, and he's more powerful
Speaker 3: than he was before. So what's your strategy? Right, what's
Speaker 3: your strategy? And the question then becomes what is Biden
Speaker 3: promising Not so much like something abstract, but like, what's
Speaker 3: the offensive message? What's Brden promising his voters that counters
Speaker 3: that message that enables his coalition? And I just think
Speaker 3: the other guy sucks is not a strong enough offensive message.
Speaker 3: That's my personal feeling, like you actually have to promise
Speaker 3: something tactile to your base that mobilizes your base, and
Speaker 3: in a way, that's what you see Trump doing now.
Speaker 3: And so I hope last night was a wake up call.
Speaker 3: There's plenty of time to write the ship. But Biden
Speaker 3: or whoever, I just think saving democracy is a really
Speaker 3: abstract concept when you're facing an organized, unified, energized opponent
Speaker 3: that is promising something tactile to people.
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing, And I agree with everything,
Speaker 1: everything that you're saying, and I don't think that I
Speaker 1: will ever understand one. I live in a blue state too,
Speaker 1: because of the news that I watched, But three because
Speaker 1: I just I think that I don't care to understand
Speaker 1: white grievance, and I think that that is that's my issue.
Speaker 1: I don't care, And frankly, I have come to a
Speaker 1: place and this is where I hope that a majority
Speaker 1: of Democrats didn't wake up this week too, because I
Speaker 1: don't think that it's going to be helpful. But I
Speaker 1: offer it at this moment because I know that I'm
Speaker 1: not alone. I'm over it, right, Like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I honestly, Jonathan, I don't know what the message is
Speaker 1: that Biden can offer.
Speaker 2: I have no.
Speaker 1: Idea Because if a man that has been found guilty
Speaker 1: of rape, that has stolen things from this country, that
Speaker 1: has enriched himself, that has done all of these things
Speaker 1: that we know to be true, that I still have
Speaker 1: to mount a you know, a herculean effort in order
Speaker 1: to defeat I'm like, fuck it, let them have the country,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like That's how I woke
Speaker 1: up today, where I'm just like, so, what are we
Speaker 1: doing for the next ten months?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Like are we who are we trying to convince? Because
Speaker 1: I can't convince people who literally said on television on
Speaker 1: camera that they believe that Donald Trump is being used
Speaker 1: by God, right Like I cannot convince people who believe
Speaker 1: that Donald Trump has been said by Jesus Christ in
Speaker 1: order to right America's wrongs. So I'm at a loss.
Speaker 3: I mean, those are the people who get on social media.
Speaker 3: Those are the people who get on If you just say,
Speaker 3: I'm a college educated voter and Trump is going to
Speaker 3: restore power, he's going to improve the economy. You don't
Speaker 3: get on social media. But a lot of college educated
Speaker 3: people are becoming Trump supporters, right, And so it's bigger
Speaker 3: than the honestly lunatics who get on the media.
Speaker 1: I'm not even saying that they're crazy.
Speaker 3: No, But the thing is, you know, Democrats have a
Speaker 3: bigger coalition. Democrats could easily beat Trump. It's not even close.
Speaker 3: Democrats could easily beat Trump with the coalition that they have.
Speaker 3: It just means pulling together that coalition, like Democrats beat
Speaker 3: Trump last time using that coalition. So if the Democratic
Speaker 3: coalition shows up, this is not going to be a contest.
Speaker 3: But I would also say, I mean, I've been saying
Speaker 3: this on your show for three years now, that Democrats
Speaker 3: fall into a trap of I mean, think about it
Speaker 3: from the perspective of the South, Like the main trauma
Speaker 3: in this part of the country is not I mean,
Speaker 3: I hate to say this, but this is what I researched.
Speaker 3: It's not slavery, it's not anti semitism, it's not related
Speaker 3: to gender. It's like losing the Civil War. And so
Speaker 3: Trump is promising to like a certain segment of the
Speaker 3: population that we're going to relitigate the Civil War. And
Speaker 3: I've been trying to say this for years, and like
Speaker 3: my book was going to be called How We Lost,
Speaker 3: it was going to be called The War of Southern Aggression.
Speaker 3: I got rejected by thirty publishers because everybody was like, nah, nah,
Speaker 3: that's not how it works. But that is what Trump
Speaker 3: is tapping into, which is re litigating the Civil War
Speaker 3: in a way that has great implications, if for the South,
Speaker 3: and really catastrophic implications for Blue states. Honestly, if you
Speaker 3: think Trump is voison a vengeance against places like New
Speaker 3: York in his last presidency, like they, I mean, what's
Speaker 3: happening with like the buses of immigrants and all this
Speaker 3: kind of stuff, It's it's just a warm up for
Speaker 3: this idea of kind of refighting the Civil War in
Speaker 3: a way that the South will rise again and stuff
Speaker 3: like that, which sounds like a trope, but I can
Speaker 3: just say that's what he's that's what he's tapping into,
Speaker 3: and so Democrats can, honestly, democrats can beat that with
Speaker 3: their coalition. Right, they have a very broad coalition, They
Speaker 3: have labor, they have all these different constituencies, they have
Speaker 3: people in many places. And the presidential election also comes
Speaker 3: down to just a number of states. Right, Blue states
Speaker 3: are blue, Red states are rat and red. Mobilize that coalition.
Speaker 3: But the problem with the Democrats right now is, as
Speaker 3: you're suggesting, there's no kind of energy around the message.
Speaker 3: And so that's what needs to change, like yesterday, last night,
Speaker 3: this morning, that needs to change. What's the energy around
Speaker 3: the around the message? Right, Democrats are promising a better
Speaker 3: deal for a lot of people, but it's going to
Speaker 3: take like a mobilizing mobilizing that message. And that's honestly
Speaker 3: what needs to happen right right right now.
Speaker 2: I mean, look.
Speaker 1: Again, I go back to saying, I don't know how
Speaker 1: you combat the South will rise again. I don't know
Speaker 1: how you combat, Like my vengeance is your vengeance, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to restore white power to America.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think that the coalition that came out for Biden,
Speaker 1: and mind you, I just want people to understand and
Speaker 1: I think people who listen to WOKF know this. That
Speaker 1: coalition didn't come out for Biden. They came out for themselves.
Speaker 1: No one put in a fucking vote for Joe Biden
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty because they love Joe Biden, not a
Speaker 1: fucking person. And this is the problem that we are
Speaker 1: up against, is that we don't have an Obama, we
Speaker 1: don't have a Clinton. We don't have somebody who like
Speaker 1: who people actually love and come hell or high water,
Speaker 1: will do what is necessary to get done. What you
Speaker 1: have is somebody that most people don't really like, not
Speaker 1: because like he's a bad person, right well, to some
Speaker 1: extent at this point, a lot of people actually do
Speaker 1: think that he's a bad person, but because they think
Speaker 1: that he's old, because he's a relic of the past,
Speaker 1: because he's just not an energizer. And so when you
Speaker 1: look at that up against people where Donald Trump told
Speaker 1: people in Iowa, go ahead, I know it's forty one
Speaker 1: degrees below, but if you die, you know at least
Speaker 1: you will have done something worth doing. And they cheered
Speaker 1: at that.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, so, so.
Speaker 1: We're combating a mindset that is so resolute in their
Speaker 1: commitment to Donald Trump and their commitment to white power
Speaker 1: and the South Rising again, I don't under I don't
Speaker 1: really see here, which and mind you, before Israel and Gaza,
Speaker 1: I would have told you that Biden needed to go
Speaker 1: into freedoms and rights and democracy and but more so
Speaker 1: not even democracy, but rights right because that's what people understand.
Speaker 1: People understand when their rights are taken away, when their
Speaker 1: rights are limited. They get that. They understand. I was
Speaker 1: able to get an abortion one day, Now I'm not.
Speaker 1: I was able to vote one day, now I'm not.
Speaker 1: This coalition is so distraught for so many different reasons.
Speaker 1: For the older people, young people, they're all coming to
Speaker 1: the table with different grievances that they're laying at the
Speaker 1: feet of this administration, and because they're not coalesced around
Speaker 1: a man that they love. This is the problem, is
Speaker 1: that we're battling with real resolute emotion and we're trying
Speaker 1: to match it with stats and figures and facts, which
Speaker 1: is what you and I talk about all the time.
Speaker 1: That just doesn't it's not going to meet people in
Speaker 1: the same way.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know what I've, as you know, been
Speaker 3: saying for some time that you know, there were facts
Speaker 3: that led to Biden's election in twenty twenty that we
Speaker 3: misread and renominating Biden. I still feel that way, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, remember Trump mishandled the pandemic. He debated sweating
Speaker 3: while he had COVID, Like, there are all these things
Speaker 3: that just aren't going to replace them replay themselves. So I,
Speaker 3: as you know, I've thought this was a misread for
Speaker 3: a long time now. That being said, you know that
Speaker 3: old joke about like the psychiatrist and the light bulb,
Speaker 3: and it's like when the light bulb really wants to change,
Speaker 3: that's when they changed a lot. Yes, and so the
Speaker 3: thing is like, again, the Democrats can easily win this
Speaker 3: election if they're scared enough about the alternative and they
Speaker 3: feel like there's enough in it for them, if Biden
Speaker 3: wins and so and so it's not like it's helpless. Right.
Speaker 3: The thing that is should not be surprising anybody is
Speaker 3: that Trump supporters haven't changed. They've been exactly while we've
Speaker 3: all been watching MSNBC. They've felt exactly this way.
Speaker 2: Every day for eight years, for eight years, and.
Speaker 3: So it shouldn't be a surprise. It's just that we've
Speaker 3: been watching MSNBC with like the impeachment trial and blah blah,
Speaker 3: da da da dah. But the thing is they have
Speaker 3: never changed, right, they have never changed, and so in
Speaker 3: a way, I just don't think that should be a
Speaker 3: surprise to anyone. And the question is what's the strategy
Speaker 3: for beating that, because if you join together, you can
Speaker 3: easily beat that.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: It's not like the people you're talking about are the
Speaker 3: majority by any stretch in the country. They're just right
Speaker 3: now much more motivated. And so this I don't know.
Speaker 3: To me, hopefully, this is a terrifying wake up call
Speaker 3: where we hit rock bottom. We all started, you know,
Speaker 3: drinking heavily, and then we got up and we started
Speaker 3: crafting a message that is a unifying messag because that's
Speaker 3: really that's the only thing that really matters right now.
Speaker 3: And you've said that yourself, right, I know, this morning's
Speaker 3: a hard morning, but think about it, nothing really has changed.
Speaker 3: Rightangelical and conservative and now college educated white voters in
Speaker 3: a place like Iowa have overwhelming Like it was a fantasy,
Speaker 3: Like people have been dilly dillying thinking that Nikki Haley's
Speaker 3: going to convince people and thinking that blah blah blah
Speaker 3: blah blah. It's a fantasy that is just not based
Speaker 3: in reality. So now let's face reality and then figure
Speaker 3: out what to do about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, and the thing is, you know, I think
Speaker 1: that with me that I was never on the Republicans
Speaker 1: are going to implode train because we've watched them state
Speaker 1: by state, city council by city council, school board by
Speaker 1: school board get stronger over the last eight and nine
Speaker 1: years at this point, and so you know, it has
Speaker 1: never been that I was not anticipating the deep apathy
Speaker 1: and anger that people were going to develop towards Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: That is something that I had that I was not anticipating.
Speaker 1: And so now that we have all and people want
Speaker 1: to tell me, you know, Danielle, when it comes to
Speaker 1: US elections, you know, what happens abroad is not going
Speaker 1: to matter. Foreign policy never plays right, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: that's a fucking lie.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, let me just let me just tell you
Speaker 3: that that is definitely true. But also, I mean, it's
Speaker 3: definitely true. I'm not trying to discount that, but I
Speaker 3: would also say, like again, we were talking about this before,
Speaker 3: but like all the abolished ice stuff, for example, it
Speaker 3: was true for a lot of people, but it was
Speaker 3: also a slogan that was invented by Russian disinformation and
Speaker 3: injected into social media feeds. Like there is so much
Speaker 3: disinformation right now, and it's all directed at mobilizing progressives
Speaker 3: against Democrats. Like the level of that, like, you're not
Speaker 3: going to mobilize, it's not going to work on Trump
Speaker 3: supporters going against Trump. But the of like like it,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, what's happening right now is horrible
Speaker 3: and genocide. And you know, again, I have a lot
Speaker 3: of family in Israel. They've been in the streets protesting
Speaker 3: against Nitan Yahoo every single day since much before anybody
Speaker 3: here paid attention to it, saying that this guy's going
Speaker 3: to end our country and stuff like that. But but
Speaker 3: I would say that the level of the level of
Speaker 3: like manipulation trying to split progressives and Democrats right now
Speaker 3: is just going to I mean, if we ever find
Speaker 3: out the extent of it, I think it's going to
Speaker 3: be breathtaking for a lot of people. But there already
Speaker 3: is tons of information out there about how a lot
Speaker 3: of these narratives about Biden being you know, not representing
Speaker 3: your interests and all these kind of things. It's just
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like it's it's it's so
Speaker 3: far beyond I mean, do you really think that Trump
Speaker 3: winning is going to be better for all the things?
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I don't. But when I am watching,
Speaker 1: and again, I'm not just on looking at what people
Speaker 1: are saying on social media. I'm looking at the half
Speaker 1: a million to a million people that showed up in Washington,
Speaker 1: DC that had signs and puppet puppets with Joe Biden
Speaker 1: with blood on his hands.
Speaker 2: And I'm walking.
Speaker 1: Down past Macy's in New York City and spontaneous protests happening,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh shit, Like, this isn't just people
Speaker 1: upset online. These are hundreds of thousands of people pouring
Speaker 1: into the streets in this country in a way that
Speaker 1: like I was like, oh, people are angry, and rightfully so,
Speaker 1: and for all of the right reasons, But like, will
Speaker 1: coalesce around like our greater enemies so that we can
Speaker 1: fight other enemies. And I'm still hopeful of that, I guess.
Speaker 1: But with ten months until an election and now we're
Speaker 1: gonna watch Iowa, New Hampshire stuff that we're going to
Speaker 1: watch this entire thing play out over you know, the
Speaker 1: winter and the spring as we get into the summer,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, it doesn't feel good.
Speaker 3: No, it feels like shit, there's no doubt. It feels terrible.
Speaker 3: I mean, it feels depressing. I guess one thing to
Speaker 3: keep in mind is like, you know who Nittanyahu wants
Speaker 3: to win the twenty four election. You know who Putin
Speaker 3: wants to win the twenty twenty four election. They're all
Speaker 3: they they all these dictators want Trump, right, they all
Speaker 3: want Trump because that'll make it easier for them to
Speaker 3: slaughter people. It'll make it easier for them to have
Speaker 3: a kind of strong man politics, much more transactional strong
Speaker 3: man politics. So all these guys want Trump, like it's
Speaker 3: not like, oh, Biden, what he says, like Biden, I'm
Speaker 3: sure despises Nitanya who Natanya who doesn't want Biden to win?
Speaker 3: And so you know the issue here is why is that?
Speaker 3: And so if Biden, if Nataiaho doesn't want Trump Biden
Speaker 3: to win, and Putin doesn't want an urban and progressive politics,
Speaker 3: if they all don't want Biden to win, Biden's not
Speaker 3: going to win, and then you're going to get Trump,
Speaker 3: and then yeah, you know who's going to win that
Speaker 3: It's not going to be progressive. It's going to be
Speaker 3: the Orbon's and the Putins and the Yaho's other world.
Speaker 1: My thing, And this is the last thing I'll say
Speaker 1: as we wrap today, is that you know, it's not
Speaker 1: going to be a failure of something else to come
Speaker 1: up with, to say, a failure of messaging. It's going
Speaker 1: to be an administration and a campaign that doesn't think
Speaker 1: that that anything is wrong. Oh, I'm sorry, and there
Speaker 1: and there and there, and their inability to adapt to
Speaker 1: the moment, and just you know, statements that Biden put
Speaker 1: out one hundred days of war in Israel and Gaza,
Speaker 1: and the statement that he put out was so fucking
Speaker 1: tone deaf. I couldn't I couldn't believe it right, So
Speaker 1: that to me is the thing.
Speaker 3: Let me just say, and again I'm I'm frustrated, and
Speaker 3: I'm angry, and I also really don't want Trump to win.
Speaker 3: So I will say that like, for example, Blincoln right
Speaker 3: now is in the Middle East proposing a kind of
Speaker 3: grand plan of a Palestinian state, a two state solution,
Speaker 3: an alliance that would I mean, I guess, I guess
Speaker 3: the question is what would change, what would change the
Speaker 3: narrative in the Middle East? In a way that would
Speaker 3: help turn this horrible, murderous situation into something where people
Speaker 3: can get back on board. And what would would would
Speaker 3: would be some kind of plan that stops the violence
Speaker 3: and leads to a two state solution. And I pretty
Speaker 3: much can guarantee you that that's what the Democrats are
Speaker 3: working on now right that that you know, are all
Speaker 3: of our democratic foreign They're not saying like, go keep
Speaker 3: bombing the crap out of people and killing families. What
Speaker 3: they're saying is we need some kind of way to
Speaker 3: have this horrible moment change the narrative into a way
Speaker 3: that's leading to something on the ground. And I feel
Speaker 3: like if that narrative changed, you know that to me,
Speaker 3: that's the one hope of changing the narrative. But the
Speaker 3: only problem is doesn't want it, right And yeah, there
Speaker 3: are a lot of people that don't want it, you know,
Speaker 3: And so the question is do you think that, you know,
Speaker 3: how's that going to change? But the problem is the
Speaker 3: players on the ground. So I do feel like it's
Speaker 3: just important to note on a kind of real level
Speaker 3: that the Democrats are kind of stuck right now. You know,
Speaker 3: like you can debate what I mean, it was hugely
Speaker 3: mistake to go embrace Ninton. Now in the beginning, maybe
Speaker 3: Biden thought that would give him leverage.
Speaker 1: Maybe continuing to go circumvent Congress in order to continue
Speaker 1: providing weapons. You know, maybe stop doing that.
Speaker 3: Right, very right. But I'm saying that like right now,
Speaker 3: like is would totally disarming Israel. Would that solve the problem?
Speaker 1: Right? But I mean, using your power. You were the
Speaker 1: largest funder of Israel in the world, and now you're
Speaker 1: throwing up your hands and saying you don't know what
Speaker 1: to do. Give me a fucking break.
Speaker 3: There was a great piece in RS yesterday. I encourage
Speaker 3: everybody to read it. I'll tweet it out about the
Speaker 3: five options that Biden faces right now, and it was
Speaker 3: really laid this out in a lot of details. Stopping
Speaker 3: the funding was one was one of the options. So
Speaker 3: it's not like it's not like, I mean, liberals and
Speaker 3: Israel have been saying this for a long before many
Speaker 3: progressives in America even knew what was going on. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so you know this has been so just read
Speaker 3: rates in English right now they're giving this as one
Speaker 3: of the five options. It's just that, you know, I
Speaker 3: just I just think that you know, again, there's there's
Speaker 3: got to be a change. At the point that I
Speaker 3: think we're both making here is that there's got to
Speaker 3: be a change in the narrative. And that narrative is
Speaker 3: not going to change without some change in the midd least,
Speaker 3: and that change has to come in ways that I mean.
Speaker 3: I'll I'll send you this article. I think it's really outstanding.
Speaker 1: And I think that the only way, just like you
Speaker 1: said the joke with the light bulb, the only way
Speaker 1: that things change is when you decide that there needs
Speaker 1: to be a change. And I am not quite sure
Speaker 1: that this administration is there. I know that the people
Speaker 1: of this country, the majority, are there, but I don't
Speaker 1: know if the administration is My friend, Jonathan, we will pick.
Speaker 2: This up again.
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