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Speaker 1: Good morning, keeps, and welcome to will Kate f Daily

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Speaker 1: with Meet your Girl. Daniel Moody recording from the Home Bunker. Folks,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to sugarcoat I am struggling, as I

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Speaker 1: know that many of you are struggling right now. I

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Speaker 1: am struggling to make sense of nonsense. I am struggling

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Speaker 1: to find the energy to overcome the considerable amount of death, destruction, despair, genocide, hopelessness,

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Speaker 1: depravity that we are consuming daily. I put out a

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Speaker 1: couple of TikTok videos this week for the first of

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Speaker 1: the new year, because honestly, I haven't had the energy.

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Speaker 1: I haven't had the energy to be angry, because a

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Speaker 1: kind of numbness has washed over me following the holidays.

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Speaker 1: As many of you know, I lost a very dear

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Speaker 1: friend at the end of last year, and so I

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Speaker 1: have been challenged in terms of reconciling with that reality.

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Speaker 1: At the same time also trying to reconcile with the

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Speaker 1: reality that there are a considerable amount of human beings

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Speaker 1: that are absolutely fucking depraved, that lack no moral compass,

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Speaker 1: no sense of humanity, of our shared humanity, that are

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Speaker 1: literally cheering and applauding death. You know, I say this

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Speaker 1: often because you know, as the years progressed, you can't

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Speaker 1: help but reflect right on where you've come, how much

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Speaker 1: you've learned, god willing, how much you've changed. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I can remember so clearly sitting in my middle school

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Speaker 1: auditorium where we were all gathered I want to say

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Speaker 1: it was either seventh or eighth grade or so to

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Speaker 1: watch Shindler's List, because it was that time where we

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Speaker 1: were learning about World War Two. And you know, Shindler's

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Speaker 1: List is like one of those films that you really

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Speaker 1: only need to see one time. Right, It is heartbreaking,

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Speaker 1: it is devastating, and then when you learn as a

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Speaker 1: young person that this is not fiction, right, this happened,

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Speaker 1: it becomes really hard to digest. Because you're taught, right,

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Speaker 1: and so I can remember, you know that there was

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Speaker 1: always something about World War Two and the Holocaust that

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Speaker 1: wars that I would learn about. And you know, Vietnam

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Speaker 1: I would really come to a clearer understanding much later

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Speaker 1: in life, and thankfully, as my sister would live there

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Speaker 1: for over a decade to be able to see history

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Speaker 1: through somebody else's lens, right, other than what we're fed

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Speaker 1: in the United States.

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Speaker 2: But the Holocaust and.

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Speaker 1: Going to the Holocaust Museum, understanding that the world sat

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Speaker 1: by as six million people were savagely brutally murdered, and

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Speaker 1: I couldn't understand how that could be. And it was

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Speaker 1: similarly with slavery and white people buying human beings that walk,

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Speaker 1: that talk, that speak, that have brains, that have babies,

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Speaker 1: that have feelings, and literally on your way to go

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Speaker 1: eggs that you're walking past, human beings that are naked

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Speaker 1: put up on butcher blocks for you to choose from.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand the depravity that human beings are capable of.

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Speaker 1: It is so I realize why I feel so destabilized

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Speaker 1: right now. I'm both managing personal grief and loss, yes,

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Speaker 1: while managing collective grief and loss. We've learned nothing, and

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Speaker 1: it's not even the fault right of us, mere citizens,

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Speaker 1: mere mortals inside of this matrix of greed and capitalism

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Speaker 1: and imperialism and extraction and patriarchy, because we haven't been

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Speaker 1: given the full story. The wall was put over our

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Speaker 1: eyes to hold up America as some type of beacon.

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Speaker 1: Bring me, you're tired, you're and you're poor. Unless they

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Speaker 1: unless we don't see.

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Speaker 2: Them as human.

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Speaker 1: Everything about this country, and frankly, global imperialism has a

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Speaker 1: fucking asterisk. And it's like the more that I learn,

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Speaker 1: the more that I have access to, the more destabilized

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Speaker 1: I feel. The fact is that the maga supremacist neo

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Speaker 1: fascist movement wants us stabilized in their life, talked quietly

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Speaker 1: and obediently, in their matrix of white supremacy. Where we

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Speaker 1: are right now, is that not only by virtue of

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Speaker 1: watching a genocide take place in real time inside of

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Speaker 1: Gaza at the hands of Israel forces, is that the

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Speaker 1: world is collectively waking up and saying, wait a minute, how.

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Speaker 2: Fucking long has this been going on? Wait a minute,

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Speaker 2: who's been funding this? I thought it was a democracy.

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Speaker 1: This doesn't look like any democracy I know, but it

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Speaker 1: looks like something eerily from familiar. You can't uphold the

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Speaker 1: idea of courageous, brave men and women fighting for democracy

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Speaker 1: at home and abroad and see videos and images like

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Speaker 1: what is coming out of Gaza. You can uphold and say, oh,

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Speaker 1: but Netanyahu is our friend, but Putin is our enemy.

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Speaker 1: But they both doing the same fucking thing. So how

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Speaker 1: wrong we were taught should be very clear, banning books wrong,

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Speaker 1: been living in a state of gray. Our tax dollars

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Speaker 1: use to fund all types of genocides, all types of war.

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Speaker 1: We wonder why the world is so unstable right now, Well,

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Speaker 1: let's look at all of the unnecessary interventions that the

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Speaker 1: United States and the United Kingdom and others have done

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Speaker 1: in regions in order to extract uranium, diamonds, oil. Who

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Speaker 1: gives a fuck about the people on top of the land.

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Speaker 1: We'll just put people in power, like we're playing one

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Speaker 1: big global game of monopoly. Who will do our bidding? Well, folks,

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Speaker 1: why are we in the place that we're in right now?

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Speaker 1: Because the chickens have come home to roost? Because these

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Speaker 1: white men, greedy, wealthy, powerful white men can't run from

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Speaker 1: the lie fast enough anymore. Right, everything's been broken open. Sure,

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Speaker 1: there is a lot of misinformation out there, but folks,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of fucking information out there too.

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Speaker 2: So if we want to know, you can know.

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Speaker 1: Ain't nobody stopping you, not here, not on this great

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Speaker 1: Internet right now. But I tell you that if the

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Speaker 1: neo fascist Maga supremacy have their way, not only are

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Speaker 1: they controlling your uteruses, they're controlling your access to every

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Speaker 1: China as it pertains to what you can know and

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Speaker 1: not know, it will look like the thought police in

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four. We are in the midst of an

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Speaker 1: extraordinarily chaotic reckoning, and we have to decide who we

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Speaker 1: are going to be on the other side today. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna hear me in my interview with Jonathan I am

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Speaker 1: exhausted when we tape this. I'm exhausted. I was feeling

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Speaker 2: I've rested since.

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Speaker 1: But I play this for you because I want you

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Speaker 1: to know that I too, vacillate greatly between the energy

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Speaker 1: that I have to mount a resistance to change, how

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Speaker 1: I resist and how I show up and some days,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to show up at all. But the

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Speaker 1: fact is that what we are seeing right now has

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Speaker 1: been going on for a millennia. The question is whether

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Speaker 1: the breaking open of the transparency, of the authenticity, of

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Speaker 1: right now. But I urge every one of us to

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Speaker 1: start asking questions of ourselves about what we thought was

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Speaker 1: beyond what is, because what is was created for the

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Speaker 1: benefit of a small group of people, a couple of

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Speaker 1: countries that then get it, got to dictate to everyone else.

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Speaker 1: Everything is changing, everything is upside down, But the fact

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Speaker 1: is it has never been really right side up. We're

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Speaker 1: just now tilting our heads, rubbing our eyes and seeing

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Speaker 1: things clearer than we ever have before. Information education is power.

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Speaker 1: What we do with it is going to determine who

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Speaker 1: we become, not just ten months from now with our election,

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Speaker 1: but collectively as humanity. Coming up next, my conversation with

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Speaker 1: our friend, our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel.

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Speaker 2: Folks.

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Speaker 1: Whenever we have the opportunity each week to sit down

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Speaker 2: Doctor Jonathan Metzel.

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Speaker 1: I am always so please, and Jonathan, Iowa caucuses have happened, Uh,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump head and shoulders above the rest of the

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Speaker 1: coming in second a scant second Rond De Santis and

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Speaker 1: then Nikki Haley. But Jonathan, let me tell you that

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Speaker 1: I was watching interviews that MSNBC was doing with folks

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Speaker 1: God uses interesting tools in order to get his message

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Speaker 1: and point across, and Donald Trump is that interesting tool.

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Speaker 1: But he is with him all the way. Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: left Iowa and is now a courtroom in New York

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Speaker 1: City while we record this for defamation of the woman

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Speaker 2: And I am just I'm at a loss.

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Speaker 1: And I basically put up a tweet and said, wake

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Speaker 1: me up in like mid November when this election will

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Speaker 1: be decided and Donald Trump will become president again. Because

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Speaker 1: that's what these people want, that's what America wants, and

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Speaker 3: So please, well, I'm glad we're having this conversation, and

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Speaker 3: let's have it, even if it means keeping you awake

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Speaker 3: until November. Please, because it's so important. So I'll say

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Speaker 3: my main thought was that I'm not surprised because I'm

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Speaker 3: guess my frustration. I don't mean to say this to

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Speaker 3: imagine why one person would vote for Trump, right because MSNBC,

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Speaker 3: I mean it's great, like I love MSNBC, but it's

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Speaker 3: been like NonStop coverage of the legal troubles and you know,

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Speaker 3: they call him the twice in peach, ninety seven times

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Speaker 3: indicted former, blah blah blah, and all this kind of stuff,

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Speaker 3: Like it's just like, why in the world would anybody

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Speaker 3: even after Iowa last night, was all of that stuff.

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Speaker 3: But you don't understand I think fully how deep the

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Speaker 3: bond is between Trump and his voters. You don't understand totally.

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Speaker 3: I mean maybe legally is a way, but you don't

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Speaker 3: understand like what would it mean to beat Trump? Or

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Speaker 3: what's blah blah blah, you know that kind of stuff

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Speaker 3: like you get. So I just think that there's been

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Speaker 3: of a subconscious fantasy that the GOP was going to implode,

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Speaker 3: like this guy's not electable. Well, hey, guess what. This

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Speaker 3: guy's really electable. You know, he's really charismatic, he's really

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Speaker 3: his voters. He's promising them power, right, which is like

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Speaker 3: Spanish fly for long aggrieved conservatives who you know, they're

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Speaker 3: not really that agrieved, but that's their narrative. And so

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Speaker 3: he's promising them power. He's saying, elect me, and I'm

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Speaker 3: going to have power for me and power for you.

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Speaker 3: And you feel it if you're down here in a

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Speaker 3: if you're in a liberal information network, it's all like

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Speaker 3: Trump's in court and Trump is this, and Trump is indicted,

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Speaker 3: and Trump's impeached. But you don't see a point that

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Speaker 3: I think other people who study fascism, like Jason Stanley,

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Speaker 3: for example, I've been making very well, which is all

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Speaker 3: this stuff about Trump being a criminal and blah blah blah,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't it doesn't speak to the power of Trump,

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Speaker 1: That is something that I had that I was not anticipating.

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Speaker 1: And so now that we have all and people want

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Speaker 1: to tell me, you know, Danielle, when it comes to

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Speaker 1: US elections, you know, what happens abroad is not going

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Speaker 1: to matter. Foreign policy never plays right, and I'm just like,

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Speaker 1: that's a fucking lie.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, let me just let me just tell you

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Speaker 3: that that is definitely true. But also, I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: definitely true. I'm not trying to discount that, but I

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Speaker 3: would also say, like again, we were talking about this before,

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Speaker 3: but like all the abolished ice stuff, for example, it

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Speaker 3: was true for a lot of people, but it was

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Speaker 3: also a slogan that was invented by Russian disinformation and

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Speaker 3: injected into social media feeds. Like there is so much

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Speaker 3: disinformation right now, and it's all directed at mobilizing progressives

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Speaker 3: against Democrats. Like the level of that, like, you're not

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Speaker 3: going to mobilize, it's not going to work on Trump

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Speaker 3: supporters going against Trump. But the of like like it,

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean, what's happening right now is horrible

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Speaker 3: and genocide. And you know, again, I have a lot

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Speaker 3: of family in Israel. They've been in the streets protesting

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Speaker 3: against Nitan Yahoo every single day since much before anybody

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Speaker 3: here paid attention to it, saying that this guy's going

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Speaker 3: to end our country and stuff like that. But but

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Speaker 3: I would say that the level of the level of

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Speaker 3: like manipulation trying to split progressives and Democrats right now

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Speaker 3: is just going to I mean, if we ever find

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Speaker 3: out the extent of it, I think it's going to

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Speaker 3: be breathtaking for a lot of people. But there already

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Speaker 3: is tons of information out there about how a lot

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Speaker 3: of these narratives about Biden being you know, not representing

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Speaker 3: your interests and all these kind of things. It's just

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like it's it's it's so

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Speaker 3: far beyond I mean, do you really think that Trump

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Speaker 3: winning is going to be better for all the things?

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I don't. But when I am watching,

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Speaker 1: and again, I'm not just on looking at what people

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Speaker 1: are saying on social media. I'm looking at the half

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Speaker 1: a million to a million people that showed up in Washington,

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Speaker 1: DC that had signs and puppet puppets with Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: with blood on his hands.

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Speaker 2: And I'm walking.

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Speaker 1: Down past Macy's in New York City and spontaneous protests happening,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh shit, Like, this isn't just people

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Speaker 1: upset online. These are hundreds of thousands of people pouring

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Speaker 1: into the streets in this country in a way that

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Speaker 1: like I was like, oh, people are angry, and rightfully so,

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Speaker 1: and for all of the right reasons, But like, will

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Speaker 1: coalesce around like our greater enemies so that we can

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Speaker 1: fight other enemies. And I'm still hopeful of that, I guess.

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Speaker 1: But with ten months until an election and now we're

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Speaker 1: gonna watch Iowa, New Hampshire stuff that we're going to

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Speaker 1: watch this entire thing play out over you know, the

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Speaker 1: winter and the spring as we get into the summer,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just like, it doesn't feel good.

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Speaker 3: No, it feels like shit, there's no doubt. It feels terrible.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it feels depressing. I guess one thing to

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Speaker 3: keep in mind is like, you know who Nittanyahu wants

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Speaker 3: to win the twenty four election. You know who Putin

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Speaker 3: wants to win the twenty twenty four election. They're all

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Speaker 3: they they all these dictators want Trump, right, they all

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Speaker 3: want Trump because that'll make it easier for them to

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Speaker 3: slaughter people. It'll make it easier for them to have

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Speaker 3: a kind of strong man politics, much more transactional strong

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Speaker 3: man politics. So all these guys want Trump, like it's

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Speaker 3: not like, oh, Biden, what he says, like Biden, I'm

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Speaker 3: sure despises Nitanya who Natanya who doesn't want Biden to win?

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Speaker 3: And so you know the issue here is why is that?

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Speaker 3: And so if Biden, if Nataiaho doesn't want Trump Biden

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Speaker 3: to win, and Putin doesn't want an urban and progressive politics,

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Speaker 3: if they all don't want Biden to win, Biden's not

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Speaker 3: going to win, and then you're going to get Trump,

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Speaker 3: and then yeah, you know who's going to win that

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Speaker 3: It's not going to be progressive. It's going to be

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Speaker 3: the Orbon's and the Putins and the Yaho's other world.

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Speaker 1: My thing, And this is the last thing I'll say

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Speaker 1: as we wrap today, is that you know, it's not

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Speaker 1: going to be a failure of something else to come

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Speaker 1: up with, to say, a failure of messaging. It's going

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Speaker 1: to be an administration and a campaign that doesn't think

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Speaker 1: that that anything is wrong. Oh, I'm sorry, and there

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Speaker 1: and there and there, and their inability to adapt to

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Speaker 1: the moment, and just you know, statements that Biden put

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Speaker 1: out one hundred days of war in Israel and Gaza,

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Speaker 1: and the statement that he put out was so fucking

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Speaker 1: tone deaf. I couldn't I couldn't believe it right, So

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Speaker 1: that to me is the thing.

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Speaker 3: Let me just say, and again I'm I'm frustrated, and

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Speaker 3: I'm angry, and I also really don't want Trump to win.

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Speaker 3: So I will say that like, for example, Blincoln right

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Speaker 3: now is in the Middle East proposing a kind of

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Speaker 3: grand plan of a Palestinian state, a two state solution,

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Speaker 3: an alliance that would I mean, I guess, I guess

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Speaker 3: the question is what would change, what would change the

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Speaker 3: narrative in the Middle East? In a way that would

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Speaker 3: help turn this horrible, murderous situation into something where people

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Speaker 3: can get back on board. And what would would would

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Speaker 3: would be some kind of plan that stops the violence

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Speaker 3: and leads to a two state solution. And I pretty

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Speaker 3: much can guarantee you that that's what the Democrats are

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Speaker 3: working on now right that that you know, are all

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Speaker 3: of our democratic foreign They're not saying like, go keep

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Speaker 3: bombing the crap out of people and killing families. What

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Speaker 3: they're saying is we need some kind of way to

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Speaker 3: have this horrible moment change the narrative into a way

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Speaker 3: that's leading to something on the ground. And I feel

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Speaker 3: like if that narrative changed, you know that to me,

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Speaker 3: that's the one hope of changing the narrative. But the

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Speaker 3: only problem is doesn't want it, right And yeah, there

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Speaker 3: are a lot of people that don't want it, you know,

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Speaker 3: And so the question is do you think that, you know,

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Speaker 3: how's that going to change? But the problem is the

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Speaker 3: players on the ground. So I do feel like it's

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Speaker 3: just important to note on a kind of real level

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Speaker 3: that the Democrats are kind of stuck right now. You know,

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Speaker 3: like you can debate what I mean, it was hugely

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Speaker 3: mistake to go embrace Ninton. Now in the beginning, maybe

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Speaker 3: Biden thought that would give him leverage.

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Speaker 1: Maybe continuing to go circumvent Congress in order to continue

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Speaker 1: providing weapons. You know, maybe stop doing that.

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Speaker 3: Right, very right. But I'm saying that like right now,

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Speaker 3: like is would totally disarming Israel. Would that solve the problem?

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Speaker 1: Right? But I mean, using your power. You were the

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Speaker 1: largest funder of Israel in the world, and now you're

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Speaker 1: throwing up your hands and saying you don't know what

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Speaker 1: to do. Give me a fucking break.

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Speaker 3: There was a great piece in RS yesterday. I encourage

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Speaker 3: everybody to read it. I'll tweet it out about the

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Speaker 3: five options that Biden faces right now, and it was

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Speaker 3: really laid this out in a lot of details. Stopping

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Speaker 3: the funding was one was one of the options. So

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Speaker 3: it's not like it's not like, I mean, liberals and

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Speaker 3: Israel have been saying this for a long before many

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Speaker 3: progressives in America even knew what was going on. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and so you know this has been so just read

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Speaker 3: rates in English right now they're giving this as one

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Speaker 3: of the five options. It's just that, you know, I

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Speaker 3: just I just think that you know, again, there's there's

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Speaker 3: got to be a change. At the point that I

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Speaker 3: think we're both making here is that there's got to

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Speaker 3: be a change in the narrative. And that narrative is

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Speaker 3: not going to change without some change in the midd least,

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Speaker 3: and that change has to come in ways that I mean.

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Speaker 3: I'll I'll send you this article. I think it's really outstanding.

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Speaker 1: And I think that the only way, just like you

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Speaker 1: said the joke with the light bulb, the only way

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Speaker 1: that things change is when you decide that there needs

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Speaker 1: to be a change. And I am not quite sure

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Speaker 1: that this administration is there. I know that the people

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Speaker 1: of this country, the majority, are there, but I don't

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Speaker 1: know if the administration is My friend, Jonathan, we will pick.

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Speaker 2: This up again.

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Speaker 3: That's the topics here.

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Speaker 1: No where, didge of topics. Always appreciate you. That is

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Speaker 1: it for me today. Dear friends on wok f as

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Speaker 1: always power to the people and to all the people.

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Speaker 2: Power, get woke and stay woke.

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Speaker 1: A fop