WEBVTT - Know the Enemy: New England Patriots 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:07.280 Factors are as Patrick drawing power. What a win for 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:12.720 this Miami Dolphin team. Wow? What is up? Dolphins? And 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:16.600 welcome to the Drivetime Podcast, part of the Miami Dolphins 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:21.680 official podcast network, covering your Miami Dolphins each and every day. 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:25.160 How's it going, everybody? I am your host, Travis Wingfield, 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:27.400 and I am here to bring you your daily dose 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:30.920 of Miami Dolphins football. And on today's show, we kick 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:33.839 off the No the Enemy series breaking down a f 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:37.120 C East foe, the new England Patriots. Plenty of change 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:39.199 this year, and we'll get you the best knowledge on 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:42.280 Miami's rival from one of the best reporters on the 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:45.800 Pats beat. He'll break down the quarterback situation, the crazy 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:48.440 depth in the secondary, who replaces some of the key 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:50.880 cogs that are now departed, all of that and more 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:54.280 on this Wednesday, June the tenth edition of the Drive 0:00:54.320 --> 0:01:00.360 Time Podcast Dolphins. Let's just go ahead and out right 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:02.880 to the chase. Today we have a long, long interview 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:05.880 with Evan Lazar of c l n S Media there 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:08.480 in Boston covering the Wing of Patriots. He also hosts 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:11.160 the Patriots All twenty two podcast. He really does a 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:13.600 heck of a job covering the Patriots every single day 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:16.640 on the beat. Very knowledgeable, very in depth, very thorough 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:18.640 in his coverage, and that's why I had to get 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:20.480 him on for this No The Enemy edition of the 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:23.319 Drivetime podcast. Let's go ahead and welcome in Evan Lazare 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:26.720 and joining me now on the Drivetime Podcast is Evan Lazare. 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:29.480 He is the Patriots beat reporter for c l n 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:32.199 S Media and the host of the Pats All twenty 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:35.440 two podcast. Evan, Welcome in, my friend. Thanks for having 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:36.800 me on. I think this is the first time I've 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:39.520 been on since it's been officially on Dolphins dot Com 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:41.399 and all that kind of stuff. So it's it's great 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:44.440 to see come up, driver, it really is. I appreciate it. Man. Yeah, 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:46.880 we were. We did locked on Dolphins once and then 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:49.880 I happen to stumble upon see I happen to see 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:53.320 you at the scouting combine in Indianapolis during the media availabilities, 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:55.600 and like, we didn't recognize each other right away, but 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:58.440 then I was like, yeah, I've talked to this guy 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:01.000 like seven or eight times before, and I was gonna 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:02.600 ask you, man, it's that was the last time I 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:05.560 think we really talked besides setting this show up, how 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:08.680 you doing, man? You you're staying entertained. You're covering media 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:12.120 availabilities through Zoom. I imagine how you're holding up. Yeah, 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:14.440 you know, we're all trying to kind of make it 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:18.280 through this dull period here and make it through coronavirus 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:20.840 obviously too. But we're holding up well. You know, we 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:23.400 do the Zoom calls with the Patriots players about once 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:25.880 a week, I would say, and we had the draft. 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.200 It was big for us obviously as well, so a 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.760 lot going on there. But you know, I, like everybody 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:33.639 else just kind of holding their breaths, crossing your fingers 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:37.280 that football isn't gonna be too impacted with what's going 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:39.560 on with the pandemic and we're actually gonna kind of 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:41.560 scate by a little bit here and in terms of 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:43.519 football at least. Yeah, we had I think it was 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:45.680 a Tom Pelo Sero tweet that sent out some of 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:48.240 the guidelines for how to approach training camp and how 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:50.840 there's gonna be some differences in terms of separating players 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:52.839 and having the masks in the locker room and all 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:56.760 that stuff. So interesting times indeed. But my takeaway from that, 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:00.040 Evan was that football is near and for me and 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.920 the calendar turns June. I always kind of we talked 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:04.720 about it in our d M s. The juices get 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:07.079 flowing a little bit because everything in the off season 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:09.960 is behind you. You have games to talk about in 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:12.000 teams to break down, and that's kind of what we're 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:14.280 gonna do here on this Know the Enemy series. You're 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:16.639 my first guest to come on the podcast and talk 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:19.480 about someone that's not the Dolphins, and wouldn't you know what? 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:21.920 Week one Dolphins and Patriots. But I don't want to 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.560 preview the game necessarily. I just want to talk about 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.079 the Patriots and get your feel for what this team 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:29.560 might look like this year and for the first time 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.640 in two decades, a lot of change, a lot different, 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:36.040 especially at the main position, quarterback. And let's go ahead 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.520 and start there. I'll go back to a former Patriot 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:41.480 and Dolphin, Rob Nikovich, who says that he thinks that 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.720 Brian Hoyer will in fact take the opening day starting job. 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.760 I have three questions for you on that point. Is 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:50.480 their validity to that idea? Is there a possibility that 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:53.200 it could be Brian Hoyer? What do you think of that? 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:55.600 And how would the fan reaction be if they went 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:59.120 into the season pretty much not going after any quarterbacks 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.640 on the open market and just going in with not 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:04.760 Jared's tod Him, but rather Brian Hoyer. I think the 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:07.840 validity to it, Travis is just the fact that Bill 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:11.560 Belichick is not going to hand anybody the starting quarterback job. 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:15.400 So this is for all intensive purposes and open competition. 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:17.520 I say that with air quotes because it's like any 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:20.880 young quarterback, right it's technically an open competition, but we 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.600 know everybody in the building is leaning one direction, and 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:26.640 that's towards Stidham. And now the Patriots have done everything 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:30.000 this offseason with that sort of in mind of getting 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:33.400 everything situated and ready to put jared'stid him in the 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.440 best position to succeed. He is their long term answer 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:38.640 right now quarterback. He's the guy that they look for 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:42.040 being the quarterback, hopefully for a while, a long long time, 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:45.559 but at least through this season and beyond. So looking 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:47.360 at it, I think there is validity to the fact 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:50.400 that two things. One, it's an open competition. There's no 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:53.080 guarantee that Jared'sidham is going to be the starter. Too. 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:55.559 With the pandemic. I think that there is a little 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:59.040 bit of wishy washing this within the organization of is 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:02.320 Jared really gonna be ready week one with not a 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.360 full mini camp, maybe not a full training camp lead up, 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:08.719 maybe not enough preseason games, in game action, live action. 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:11.039 At what point in time is it do we say 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:13.400 let's just go with Brian Hoyer for the time being 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:16.320 and build up to Stidham rather than throwing Stidham right 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:18.919 into the fire week one and so you getting to 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.760 be on the field every day and practice a beat reporter, 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:24.280 you get a chance to see what Jared Siem looks 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:26.320 like in practice and in preseason last year and all 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:28.320 that fun stuff. But we also know that Tom Brady 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.080 doesn't miss reps, even in practice. So I'm sure that 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.440 that Sidham never saw first team reps at any point 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:35.400 I would I would venture to guess what did he 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:37.640 look like in practice? Was there like, Okay, there's up 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:40.599 some pop with this kid, There's something there with him? Well, 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:42.920 early on in practice, I would say, you know, training camp, 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:44.680 mini camp, that those types of things. The thing that 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:47.000 stood out everybody told us about the arm strength, the 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.680 armed talent, The ball was gonna look nice coming out 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:51.599 of his hands, all that kind of stuff, and that 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:53.840 definitely got backed up on the practice field. But I 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.560 would say that what got backed up even more was 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:59.040 his ability to throw accurately down the field. I think 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.000 in college, especially his last year at Auburn, there was 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:05.240 some doubts about his accuracy and some inconsistencies there. So 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:08.200 there was a lot more pinpoint accuracy. I think when 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:10.400 we got to see him that we were expecting. Now, 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:12.159 he still was holding onto the ball for a little 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.320 bit too long, takes too much time in the pocket 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:16.880 sometimes to go through his progressions and get through his reads. 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:19.800 But in terms of the ball accuracy, ball placement, he 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:22.279 was really really good at that. Then later in the season, 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:25.360 because Tom Brady was a forty two year old quarterback, 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:27.880 they did start to kind of manage his workload a 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:30.560 little bit in practice and it kind of gives it 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.080 him a little bit more first team reps later on 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:35.560 in the season. So late in the season, Brady was 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:37.880 a little bit banged up. He had the elbow thing, 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:40.800 he had something in his lower leg too, and he 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.240 kind of gave way to Stidham just a little bit 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:45.800 just to allow his body to recover. During the week, 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:49.000 So Stidham did actually get more first team reps at 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:50.920 the end of the year than I think most young 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.440 quarterbacks in New England system would be accustomed to getting, 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:56.159 like a Jimmy Garoppolo or a Jacoby bri said, wherever 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:58.600 the case may be. Yeah, always for thinking right, like 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:00.440 I always having a plan for what my be next. 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.600 That's what Bill Belichick does. That's why he's been so 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:04.360 great at the top of the division, at the top 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:06.880 of the NFL for two decades now. When you mentioned 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:09.720 that Jared Simms aren't talent, and that's an interesting point 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:12.360 to focus on because I actually there's probably a tweet 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.080 out there on my tweet deck from last year's draft. 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.400 I was a huge Kyler Murray guy, but besides that, 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:19.840 not so big on the twenty nineteen draft class. But 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:21.600 I remember saying that if I was going to take 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:24.800 a third round or a third day pick at quarterback, 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:27.040 it would be Stidham because he is a five star 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:29.440 high school recruit who had that talent and maybe had 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:32.040 to develop it a little further at the professional level. 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:33.840 And the best way I think you can get a 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.600 young quarterback up to speed is to compliment him with 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:38.880 a strong running game, and we know the Patriots are 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:41.160 as deep as anybody in the backfield. And I have 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:43.160 it in my show notes here to ask you, Evan, 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.120 is there pressure to get Sony Michelle the lion share? 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:48.680 And the reason I ask you that is because he's 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:51.280 a first round running back. Where you've got Rex Burke 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:53.920 head there, You've got Damien Harris who was a second 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:55.640 or third round pick. You can correct me on that one. 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:57.760 And then you've also got James White, who I know 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:00.200 the Patriots have always loved. I'm just cry us to 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:03.160 see how that backfield workload is divided up, and is 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:05.520 there pressure to get Michelle more work? Because he was 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:08.120 a first round pick, There's always there's a lot of 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.760 mouse to feed. And with Michelle it's right from the 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:13.000 bat and his rookie season. As soon as he was 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.280 healthy and back on the field, it was his show 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:17.480 on first and second down for the most part, or 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:20.280 early down run type of situations. And they worked at 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:24.040 play action passing game really effectively off of having Michelle 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:26.920 on the field, where they're averaging almost eleven twelve yards 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:29.640 per tempt per past when Michelle is on the field, 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:31.600 even though they're only throwing the ball thirty percent of 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:34.200 the time because of how effective that play action game 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:36.400 was going with him. But to get pressure to get 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:38.559 him on the field, I think the pressure is to 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.160 get him to be a little bit more well rounded 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.160 as a running back, so he can play more on 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:45.559 passing situations, catch the ball a little bit out of 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:48.720 the backfield, using more as a versatile weapon like that 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:51.800 that we're so accustomed to seeing with other Patriots running 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:54.080 backs like a James White, like a Rex Burkhead. I 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.280 think there's actually a lot of pressure from the outside, 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:58.640 not saying from the inside, but from the outside actually 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:01.360 to get Damian Harris work too, and get him some 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:04.560 run and see what the Alabama running back has because 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:08.120 Michelle hasn't really popped off. He hasn't been you know, 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:10.800 he's been solid, but he hasn't been first round pick. 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:13.520 This guy is amazing that sort of thing. So there 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:15.840 is some pressure, I would say, to get Damien Harris 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.360 involved a little bit more from the fan perspective, because 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:20.680 he did pop a little bit in the preseason last 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:22.480 year and then he kind of went away and did 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:24.680 that whole you know, fox bur a red shirt thing 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:27.240 because he was a rookie, and so it would be 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:29.760 nice to see him get more running year two with Michelle, 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:31.520 I think we're we kind of know who he is 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:33.600 at this point. He is what he is. He's good 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:37.000 between the tackles. He's got really good vision, good contact balance, 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.200 He's got a little bit of burst from that initial 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:41.199 kind of point where he puts his foot in the 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:43.640 ground and gets up field and gets vertical, But there 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:46.320 isn't a ton of wiggle or ability to create after 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:49.120 the after contact or after the catch, if you will 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:51.640 as well. So I think they kind of know who 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:53.560 Michelle is at this point. We'd like to know a 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:56.240 little bit more about Damien Harris. You talk about those 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:59.160 guys catching footballs out of the backfield, that's the Patriots 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:01.600 are as good anybody in that regard getting the ball 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:03.920 to the running backs in the passing game, and that 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:06.760 to me kind of does replace some of the lack 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:08.720 of production they might have had a receiver or tight 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:10.880 end last year. But you go into the season, Evan, 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.120 you look at the depth chart, it's just on paper, 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:15.720 there wasn't a lot of focus to to bolster that 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:17.920 side of the football. You've got Julian Edelman there and 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.200 to kill Harry coming back in year number two, speaking 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:22.559 of kind of a Foxborough red shirt, so to speak. 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:24.679 Maybe as far as production goes, it wasn't what you 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:26.600 would have thought it was going to be. You've got 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:29.280 Mohammed Sanu still there. How do you sell this fan 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:31.880 base on you know, we talked about the consternation of 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:34.679 Tom Brady's weapons last year. Is it better than last year? 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:36.920 And how do you sell the fans on getting excited 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:39.400 about the pass catchers they have in New England. Well, 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:41.520 start with the wide receiver position, because I do think 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:43.559 there is some excitement with the tight end group, with 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:45.680 the two guys that they just drafted in the third round, 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:47.080 So we'll get to them in a second, but the 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.560 past catchers. Really listening to Bill Belichick, he was pretty 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:53.200 honest about this right after the job, because they passed 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:56.440 on this historically great wide receiver class and didn't draft 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.400 a single guy at that position after struggling their last year, 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.720 and they kind of explanation of for it was was 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:05.320 that last year they you know, took a first round 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:07.880 pick in to kill Harry. The year after that, they 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.360 had a second round pick in that Mohammed Sanu trade. 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:13.040 So really, when you look at the resources allocated to 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:15.560 the wide receiver position, they've now given up a first 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:17.559 round pick in one draft, in the second round pick 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:19.800 in the next draft on the position, and Belichick is 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:21.400 kind of saying, you know, to me, that's a lot. 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:23.720 You know, we're trying here to invest in wide receivers. 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.400 So I think for the Patriots, they're hoping from within 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.640 internally that this wide receiver group is going to improve 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.040 that to kill. Harry is gonna have a great breakout 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.120 season in year two. And he's been down in the 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.800 Houston area working with the footworking and trying to get 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:38.680 his routes sharper and getting to get a little bit 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:41.000 more explosive and a little quicker, be a little bit 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.640 faster on his feet. So that's what he's doing down there. 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:45.319 So they're hoping for a big year two out of 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.520 the first round pick. They're hoping that Sanu is gonna 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:49.600 play better than he did down the stretch last year. 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:52.360 You have Julian Edelman coming back, you have Damari Bird 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:54.600 who they really like, who they stole from Arizona, and 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:58.319 free agency as that speed demon, that burner on the outside, 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:00.680 like Philip Dorsett was for them in the last couple 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:03.280 of years. So that's the sort of what's being sold. 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:05.679 That's the mantra coming out of the building right now 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:08.840 is we are expecting the group that we had in 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:11.240 house to take a leap this year from what it 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:13.400 was last year. And some of these guys are going 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:15.480 to improve. And then you look at what they did 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.400 at tight End in the draft by adding As and Keen, 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:20.960 and now you start to get into some more versatility 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:23.480 type weapons. Whereas Keene can play a little bit on 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:25.000 the line of scrimage, you can kind of play like 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:27.160 an h back and like that use check sort of 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:30.000 San Francisco role. You can move him around a little bit, 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.320 and you can get situations where those two guys can 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:36.000 create mismatches and create opportunities after the catch as well. 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:37.959 So I think you add that together, you have the 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.439 running backs together, and you just pray that the past 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:43.319 catchers do make those jumps. You know, up in year 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.280 two in the system person New and Harry, and that's 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:49.160 where you're they're hoping to manufacture this offense. And if 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:52.360 there's anybody that's going to manufacture a new style of 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.120 offense or new just scheme in general. Of course, it's 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.120 the Patriots who have reinvented themselves time and time again 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:00.640 under Bill Belichick. There up a new England. I've got 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.120 Evan Lazare here. He is a Patriots be reporter for 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:04.880 c l n S Media and the host of the 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:08.120 Pats All twenty two podcast on the Drivetime podcast, part 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:11.400 of the Miami Dolphins podcast network. And speaking of change, 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:13.040 We're gonna get back to the offense here in just 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:15.360 one second, because we left off the strongest unit on 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:18.440 the offense by far, in the offensive line, in my opinion. 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:19.960 We're gonna come back to that. But I want to 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:22.680 talk about speaking of trying to replace a player that 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:26.240 really kind of exemplified what the scheme was, and Kyle 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:28.400 van Noy now a Miami Dolphin. I don't want to 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:29.960 get your take on what he is as a Miami 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:32.599 Dolphin because we have exhausted that here on this podcast 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:35.679 this offseason. But I'm curious to ask you because prior 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:38.679 to last season, where he was mostly an edge linebacker 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:42.000 who rushed a lot. Prior to that, he was pretty 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:44.680 much a fifty fifty off ball on ball guy. And 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.120 I'm curious do they have an in house replacement for that. 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:49.120 Did I go through the draft? You know about josh 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:50.880 U j and Chase Winovitch and some of the guys 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:52.760 they have there, is that kind of where they're looking 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:56.079 to replace Kyle van Noy, I would say long term, yeah, Listen, 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:58.280 I think Van Noy is a huge guy to replace 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.160 for this defense that that flew under the radar a 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:03.520 little bit because of the Brady side. You know, Brady leaving, 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:06.200 that's the big news, right, But Kyle van Noy last 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.640 year led the Patriots and quarterback pressures. He did play 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:12.040 of the time on the line of scrimmage, like you mentioned, 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:14.560 kind of as a rush linebacker on the edge, but 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:17.040 his ability to really set an edge against the run 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:19.680 and rush the past or effectively do some of the 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:22.120 different things they like to do schematically with the rush, 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:25.120 and also play off the ball in certain situations. He 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:27.640 brought a ton of versatility, a ton of value, and 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:29.560 he's also just a really good dude and a great 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:31.840 guy to have in the locker room. So a big loss, 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:34.320 I would say for Van Noyd. Just a professional football 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:37.960 player that's very very smart, intelligent, savvy all those types 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:40.000 of things, and a very good athlete too. That's what 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.840 made him a second round pick all those years back, 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.760 and the Patriots kind of got that second round talent 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.320 out of him over the last couple of years now 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:50.960 in house replacements where they look for this, they did 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:54.160 draft in Frennie Jennings from Alabama, who kind of has 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.560 almost an identical body type. Actually they're both kind of 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:01.280 six three right in that he's sort of the guy 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:04.080 that I would say long term because their best replacement 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.360 just from a body type perspective, in a playing style 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:10.400 perspective for that kind of strong side edge. Now Winovich, 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:13.640 those guys have play speed, those guys have get off 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:16.960 their explosive playmakers on defense, but I feel like those 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:19.440 guys mostly are away from the tight end, right. You 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:20.920 want to get them away from the tight end on 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:23.040 the weak side of the formation where they can worry 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.360 mostly about rushing the passer and getting off the ball 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:29.000 and being fast and being explosive, whereas on the other 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:31.560 side with where Van Noyle was playing, you do need 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:34.040 a little bit more of a girthier player that can 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:36.800 hold up against double teams, that can hold up against 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:38.840 the tight end kicking you out or something like that. 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.040 And that's where a guy like a Jenny is gonna 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:43.600 come in. But I would say right now the guy 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:45.880 that's gonna be is probably gonna be John Simon. And 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:48.760 he's one of the strongest pound for pound players on 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:52.480 the Patriots in terms of just conditioning and weightlifting and 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.440 all that kind of stuff. A really strong, muscular guy 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:58.800 that doesn't get pushed around easily, very smart and instinctive 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:01.400 good in the scheme. So I would assume that Simon 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:03.760 will get most of that lion share of that work 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:06.680 early on in the season, with the hope that Jennings 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.800 can develop into that player eventually. I'm gonna come back 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:11.680 and ask you in a minute about the most unsung 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.200 player on the Patriots. I think Kyle van Noy was 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.120 that for a long time. Because you mentioned John Simon. 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:18.760 He is right up there in that group for me, 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:20.920 along with Dietrich Wise and and some of the guys 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:22.760 they have Lawrence guy up front. They have so many 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.280 players that I just don't think get the national publicity 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:27.880 that they deserve because they are very good players, especially 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:31.080 within that scheme. And speaking of that scheme, now, we 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:33.560 saw Brian Floors and Chris Career really focus on the 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.880 second Dary this offseason going out signing Byron Jones, drafting 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:40.480 Noah Igbnogay too high resource allocations that are on the roster. 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.440 The Patriots, for my money, still have the deepest secondary 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:45.880 in football. And I have many questions for you at 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:47.960 this position. Let's go ahead and just start with his 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.760 first part here. How do the Reps shake out beyond 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:54.040 Stefon Gilmour, last year's Defensive Player of the Year at cornerback. 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:57.720 What makes the Patriots so fun with their secondary is 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:02.480 that everybody's interchangeable. You really move everybody around from safety 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:06.920 to corner to hybrid linebacker to slot to outside wherever 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:08.800 they need them to play on a week to week 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.840 basis based off the matchups they can play these guys. 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:15.199 So after Gilmore, it's really becomes very much like a 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:18.000 basketball lineup. You know, what's the other team rolling out? 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:19.879 Are they rolling out a bunch of centers? Are they 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:21.520 rolling out a bunch of point guards? And then we 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:24.000 kind of match up, you know the way that from there. Now, 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:26.679 John Jones is gonna be their primary nickel. He's going 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:28.919 to be the guy in the slot most of the time. 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:32.480 He's a very effective slot corner runs in a low 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.600 for threes, high for two, something like that. So he's 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.120 a track guy and he's the one that they've sort 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:41.280 of tabbed as that tyree kill Marquis Brown, you know, 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:44.040