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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Between the Horns. I'm Miles Simmons.

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by DeMarco far It is Wednesday, October eighteenth,

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Speaker 1: and we are not in Los Angeles. We are in

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Speaker 1: Jackson Course, Florida. We're basically at this resort down here

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Speaker 1: in Ponte Vedroum Beach. Is that how you pronounce it? Perfect? Okay? Jacksonville. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're in the Jacksonville area at a resort. You can

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Speaker 1: see the golf course is behind us. The beach is

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Speaker 1: right across the street. I have been doing a lot

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Speaker 1: of hanging out there over the last few days because

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Speaker 1: it's rare. You know yourself, what's working, but in your

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Speaker 1: room working, I've been invidually working diligently on the patio

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Speaker 1: overlooking the beach. Thank you. But it's great because the

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Speaker 1: rams one on Sunday to get to four and two

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Speaker 1: four and two now for the first time from two

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Speaker 1: thousand and six, three and oh on the road for

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Speaker 1: the first time since two thousand and one. Really, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. But they are in sole possession to

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Speaker 1: first place right now in the FCS. How does it feel.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty good? Doesn't feel pretty good? Yeah? Yeah? To

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Speaker 1: be I guess looking up at No. One. But I

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Speaker 1: mean there's still a lot of work to be had.

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Speaker 1: And like I said, I mean survived in Jacksonville. I

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Speaker 1: mean Jacksonville has. I mean they're gonna be pretty They're

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Speaker 1: gonna feel pretty good about watching that tape against you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: especially offensively and what Leonard Fournette can do. Um, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean getting to win is important. Um, the team

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Speaker 1: is very very prideful. They've they've they've worked hard, They've

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Speaker 1: earned this four and two record, they've earned the right

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Speaker 1: to be in first place. But um, don't be fooled.

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Speaker 1: I mean that was a dog fight on game day,

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Speaker 1: no question, and you want it because the Rams were

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Speaker 1: able to get two special teams touchdown. Yeah, and that

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Speaker 1: is Sean McVay said after the game, was absolutely the

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Speaker 1: difference in that game, getting those two big time Pharaoh

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Speaker 1: Cooper ferocious Pharaoh, I mean Phararell Cooper is a cool

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Speaker 1: enough name that he don't you don't need nicknames, really

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Speaker 1: say Pharaoh, you know. Um, but that play was amazing.

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Speaker 1: Mike Thomas the block to spring him, Ye got to

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Speaker 1: give him a lot of problems for that. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: those explosive plays given it right back to Furnette. Was funny.

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Speaker 1: Two touchdowns and how many twenty five seconds? Twenty five seconds?

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Speaker 1: Elias sports Viera said, that's the first time that that's

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Speaker 1: ever happened in the NFL. That's what we keep having,

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Speaker 1: these things like first time, first time, scores, first time,

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Speaker 1: and now we get, you know, first time two touchdowns

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Speaker 1: in twenty five seconds, and I think it was either

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Speaker 1: in I think it was in the Super Bowl era. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they that they go back to, but still it's wild

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Speaker 1: in that order. I mean, I'm glad that Jacksonville kicked

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Speaker 1: off first because can you imagine if his run happened

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Speaker 1: on their first play of the first play of the

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Speaker 1: game period. Yeah, I mean think about that crowd then

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Speaker 1: sky high and his confidence. But to have that be

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Speaker 1: an answer was a blessing. But yeah, I mean, explosive

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Speaker 1: players in the on special teams, but remember their special

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Speaker 1: teams absolutely stunked that day. He was not going. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it took points off the board and field position needed

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Speaker 1: field position in that sort of game, and they just

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Speaker 1: they came up short there. So the Rams were fortunate

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Speaker 1: that Jacksonville wasn't that good good in those areas well.

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Speaker 1: I mean you bring up their mistakes and special teams.

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville missed two field goals and would have missed another

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Speaker 1: one had there not been a penalty on the Rams

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Speaker 1: on that. And then you also had a situation where

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Speaker 1: they shanked a punt sixteen yards I think, And then

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Speaker 1: of course you have that the block punt and buy

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Speaker 1: the Rams, And then you also have Ferrek cooper is

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Speaker 1: one hundred and three yard kick return, and so yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Rams were able to take advantage of basically all

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Speaker 1: of those special teams errors from them in order to

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Speaker 1: really get in position to win that game. There's something

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Speaker 1: weird happening in Florida. I would advise all place kickers

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Speaker 1: and punters, even in the off season, just avoid Florida.

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Speaker 1: Something is weird is happening. And Ta Tampa. Yes, guys

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Speaker 1: are getting fired down here. Yes it can't be just them, No,

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Speaker 1: it probably can't. But let's go to that that one

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Speaker 1: hundred and three yard kick return, because when you start

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Speaker 1: off a game like that, I think it really gives

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Speaker 1: you an opportunity to swing momentum. And we can talk

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Speaker 1: yes that obviously. Jacksonville responds the seventy five yard touchdown

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Speaker 1: of their own. But at the same time, you get

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Speaker 1: get into the end zone and Farare Cooper is now

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Speaker 1: NFC Special Teams Player of the Week. It was awesome. Um,

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Speaker 1: I had a little pregame moment. I'm sitting there with

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Speaker 1: one of my old teammates, Isaac Bruce, a great guy,

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Speaker 1: and we always talk about receivers and rams receivers. I

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Speaker 1: mean he knows, he studies. I mean he came all

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Speaker 1: didn't know, they introduced themselves, because every coach came over

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Speaker 1: to talk to Isaac. That's what Hall of famers will do.

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Speaker 1: The one guy that was warming up and didn't was Pharaoh,

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Speaker 1: but he kind of gave him a look like I

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Speaker 1: know who you are. I'm busy, I'm about to get down.

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Speaker 1: And then Isaac said, is that Pharaoh Cooper because I

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Speaker 1: like him. That's that kid from South Carolina. Said yeah,

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Speaker 1: he says, why isn't the plan I said, well, it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's a tough crowd to get on the field

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Speaker 1: right now at receiver, but on special teams, you'll see

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Speaker 1: something dynamic guaranteed and then boom the first one right

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Speaker 1: looking upt the press box. I don't know where he is,

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Speaker 1: but I know he's looking at him like I told you, lucky.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean that's that's what he brings. That's

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Speaker 1: why he's here. So it's it's nice to see him

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Speaker 1: get opportunities. It is. And I think when you look

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Speaker 1: at Farrell Cooper, and we talked about him throughout the offseason,

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Speaker 1: you know, once the Rams did not resign Binny Cunningham,

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Speaker 1: I remember you saying this on this platform that look,

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Speaker 1: Farrell Cooper has got something to say about kick returns

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Speaker 1: and how effective the Rams are going to be in

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Speaker 1: that area. Yeah, and we've seen it now. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's leading the league in kick return average. He's got

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Speaker 1: the only kick return for a touchdown in the NFL

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Speaker 1: this season. That's something. And then you know what, he

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Speaker 1: also had that sixty six yard return when we go

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Speaker 1: back to the Dallas game. He has done a really

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Speaker 1: nice job of getting the Rams in position to score.

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Speaker 1: The Rams have not been backed up, you know, further

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Speaker 1: kick returns. Even though he is taking them out of

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Speaker 1: the end zone a lot, right, He's doing it because

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Speaker 1: he is effective at it, you know. True. And I

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Speaker 1: like the fact that Bones Fossil his coach. Special team's

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Speaker 1: coach isn't lazy. Some guys kind of get they call

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Speaker 1: the same return over and over on kickoff, expecting it

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Speaker 1: But when you watch the Rams in the same situations,

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Speaker 1: they're blocking for a return every single time, Yes, and

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Speaker 1: then they're called off by the returner. So Pharaoh Cooper

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Speaker 1: is always going to be a part of the play.

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Speaker 1: And I have to go back and correct something weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: maybe a month ago. We were talking about Tavon and

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Speaker 1: his role in the offense and I said, every possession

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Speaker 1: will start with the ball in his hands. Well, I

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Speaker 1: meant after a stop, Actually it's Pharaoh. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: to start with him. So he can really be a

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Speaker 1: tone setter. You know, when you start thinking about some

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Speaker 1: the receiver Cornell Patterson pat Man, how dangerous he was

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Speaker 1: and what he did for that football team. Every time

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Speaker 1: he would explode for a big play, give them a

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Speaker 1: getting points. So are three points So the same thing

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Speaker 1: punt return. I mean that that really does set the

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Speaker 1: it's a takeaway, you know, on those I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you've got a shaky punter or a shaky punt returner

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Speaker 1: all out pressure, then just fair catch, just take away

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Speaker 1: any indecision there setting up returns or even just feeling

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Speaker 1: the punt is going to be you're gonna hold your

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Speaker 1: that down for the football team, in the fan base

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Speaker 1: and the coaching staff, because think about Sean McVay right now. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you don't want to be nervous when you're

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Speaker 1: getting the ball back for your offense, right, I mean

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Speaker 1: a release. When the ball is field, it's like, oh okay,

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Speaker 1: for that second you just don't know. Well, And there

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Speaker 1: this is where you come into play, because we were

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Speaker 1: So once you get the shanks, it's hard to correct yourself.

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Speaker 1: Miles quit about three times. Oh I hate this game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I was not very good at that. I

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Speaker 1: beat DeMarco in our first game. Oh, you got so lucky.

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Speaker 1: The points were bad, we were like sharing were bad.

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Speaker 1: We were sharing points about I won the first one

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Speaker 1: fair and square, and we don't need to talk about

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Speaker 1: the second two games. But shout out to Teelf because

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Speaker 1: that was really fun. That's that guy. But what I

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Speaker 1: mean about the shanks and the yip, yes, um, it's

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Speaker 1: one point returner to the next But at some point

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Speaker 1: somebody's going to come in and solidify that absolutely, and

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Speaker 1: you hope it will be Pharrell Cooper on But let's

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Speaker 1: talk about that block punt too as we continue on

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Speaker 1: special teams, because look, that was a key play and

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Speaker 1: a key moment and looked like the Rams were going

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Speaker 1: to have a good opportunity to get a two minute

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Speaker 1: drill and start going down the field and do all that.

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Speaker 1: But you don't need a two minute drill if you

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Speaker 1: block the punt and Malcolm Brown gets the ball on

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Speaker 1: the right side, basically a rugby scrum then happens and

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Speaker 1: they get into the end zone for for six. It

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Speaker 1: was awesome. I'm trying to think how far you go back?

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Speaker 1: Do you remember Ray Ray Armstrong? Yeah, when he was

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Speaker 1: on Specialty boom King, Yeah, Corey Littleton is Ray Ray

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Speaker 1: Armstrong with a brain. I'm serious, I'm being dead serious,

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Speaker 1: like a brain on knowing when to stop when you're

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Speaker 1: doing too much. Yeah, he is just as physical, just

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Speaker 1: as aggressive, and just as good. But he knows when

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Speaker 1: when to hold him right. But that block was awesome. Um,

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Speaker 1: I asked him when after the game, when's the last

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Speaker 1: time you blocked a putton? He couldn't remember, because it

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Speaker 1: looked like he'd done it a lot because he took

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Speaker 1: it right off his foot. Yeah, that's how you teach it.

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Speaker 1: So um, if he's never done that, or if that's

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Speaker 1: not in his history, then credit to Bones Fossil even

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Speaker 1: more for teaching the guy how to block punt's making

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Speaker 1: gonna get tired. Well, the Rams are no different. That

424
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Speaker 1: is a hammer coming at you and he's a young hammer.

425
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,280
Speaker 1: And the prize for stopping that young hammer or beating

426
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,120
Speaker 1: that young hammer is you get an old hammer next

427
00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:45,520
Speaker 1: week in Arizona that brings it too. So yeah, I

428
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 1: mean that was a I hope the Rams defense after

429
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 1: that game went straight to bed because you're gonna get

430
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:55,160
Speaker 1: some rest because it's it's coming again in London. It

431
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:59,159
Speaker 1: really is. Um. But when you get to stop Leonard

432
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 1: Fournette like they did, and then you were playing from ahead.

433
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 1: What you get then is the pass rush starts being

434
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 1: even more effective. Yeah, and especially against the quarterback like Bortles,

435
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,399
Speaker 1: who is mobile but not necessarily as mobile as some

436
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,360
Speaker 1: of the other guys the Rams that faced this year,

437
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 1: it makes it a little bit easier, I guess, to

438
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,360
Speaker 1: just come off the ball hard and get after the passer. Well,

439
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 1: I mean when you finally have a chance, and when

440
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 1: the Rams did, when they finally had a chance to

441
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,439
Speaker 1: open up, or when Jacksonville opened up the formation a

442
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,679
Speaker 1: little bit, and obvious passing situations. I mean, you the

443
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,879
Speaker 1: first thing you hope for in that situation is your

444
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 1: best guys show up. And Donald did. Yes, the bull

445
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 1: rush to a rep to a sack strip. Yeah. I

446
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,159
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys know how amazing that is

447
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 1: for a defensive tackle to get a backside strip on

448
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,199
Speaker 1: an inside rush. That's pretty crazy. You don't see it

449
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,360
Speaker 1: very often a rush, right, And that's what I remember

450
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,719
Speaker 1: thinking during that game, like, how many other players in

451
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,159
Speaker 1: this league could make the play that Aaron Donald? Because

452
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 1: I don't know that's I mean, if you had to

453
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 1: design that in the pros versus Joe's, Like, let's show

454
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 1: you the average person. Let's show Miles Simmons how to

455
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 1: make that play. So I'd have to put a weighted

456
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 1: sled in front of you. Yeah, that's about sixty pounds

457
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,120
Speaker 1: heavier than you. Drive that as hard as you can,

458
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 1: then throw it and then grab a moving target around

459
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 1: the back and get the ball. I'm not going to

460
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 1: be able to do that. Yeah. Yeah. The first thing

461
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 1: I thought, and I hope this doesn't, you know, step

462
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,919
Speaker 1: on toes or ruffle winy feathers. The first thing I

463
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 1: thought when I saw that was paying what he wants. No, God,

464
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 1: oh god. You don't see that out of anyone else

465
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: in the national football not wrong, Yeah, you don't see

466
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: it from anybody else. I'm a quick story that McVay

467
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,119
Speaker 1: brought up the other day on Monday, and it's stuff

468
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 1: we've heard before, and I wrote about this on the

469
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 1: Rams dot com. He said. McVay said that last Thursday,

470
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 1: he was leaving the facility, was like nine thirty two o'clock.

471
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,239
Speaker 1: Practice has been over for hours, right, meetings have been

472
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 1: over for hours, And he's leaving the facility and he

473
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: sees Aaron Donald's car, so he turns around and he

474
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 1: goes back in. Then Aaron Donald, of course, is in

475
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: the film room. He's in the d line room. He's

476
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 1: studying film. If you know anything about Aaron Donald, this

477
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 1: really is not shocking. And you know McVay said to

478
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 1: him like, oh what are you What are you doing here? Man?

479
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: He was like, oh, you know, I'm just studying film,

480
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: like you know, watching the way guys pass set and

481
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: do things like that. And you know mcbage just walked

482
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 1: with thinking, Man, I am so glad this guy is

483
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: on our team and we don't have to face him. Yeah,

484
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 1: And that's just it's just it's the thing that we've

485
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: heard about Aaron Donald basically his entire career. I remember

486
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 1: before the Rams played the Steelers in twenty fifteen, Mike

487
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: Tomlin was on that coach conference call, and obviously Aaron

488
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: Donald from pitt went to Pittsburgh. From Pittsburgh went to

489
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: pitt and Pitt shares facility with the Steelers. So Mike

490
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: Tomlin was talking about how basically in February, right, guys

491
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: are on vacation. It's just after the super Bowl, this

492
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 1: is not really a football time. He saw Aaron Donald's

493
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 1: car in the parking lot every morning six thirty am

494
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: when Mike Tomlin was getting into wur wow and he's

495
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: working out well, you know. And this is just after

496
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 1: this guy's rookie year. If he was the AP defensive

497
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year. And that's the way he's working

498
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: and it's just him. And this is what I understand

499
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,959
Speaker 1: about Aaron. It's not because I mean he wants to,

500
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: but he's not there because he wants to. It's because

501
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: he has to. That's him. That's what he does. This

502
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: is I mean, lock him out of the gym. You're

503
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 1: gonna find a very upset guy. Yeah, yeah, exactly if

504
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: he says five am, keep the door open, yeah, and

505
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: let him stay there because that's what he is. That's

506
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 1: who he is. I learned this from a sports psychologist.

507
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: This is back in nineteen ninety nine, great guy named

508
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 1: Phil Tole that Dick Vermill brought in um becoming your

509
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: own effort. Just think about it. It's one of those

510
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: things he hits you with and you ponder for the

511
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 1: rest of your life. Aaron has become his own effort.

512
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: The way he plays, what you see is who he is.

513
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: I can explain becoming your You have to think about

514
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,959
Speaker 1: it's for you. It's for you to let Phil do that.

515
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you it's he's become. So what you

516
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: see how he plays is who he is. Yes, Yeah,

517
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: he's a relentless guy. I remember once I was watching something,

518
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 1: I think it was like a late night talk show

519
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: and somebody was talking about being an actor and how

520
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: the best advice they got and being an actor was,

521
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: you know, it should be the only thing you can do.

522
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 1: If that's if that's you're what you're going to do

523
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 1: in your life, to be an actor, it's got you

524
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: gotta make sure it's the only thing you can do

525
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: because there's going to be a lot of rejection, there's

526
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: going to be a lot of heartbreak bout on it.

527
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: But I've thought about that, you know, was I've grown

528
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: up and started wanting to do different things or whatever

529
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Speaker 1: it is for my career. And when I look at

530
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Speaker 1: Aaron Donald and I see a football player as he is,

531
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Speaker 1: I just think this is the only thing that he

532
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: can do, you know what I mean? And I don't

533
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: mean that in yeah, I just mean that, like he

534
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: is a football player. It's it's like Tiger's focus. He's

535
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: in dogged pursuit. Yeah, and that's all he sees. Yeah,

536
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: I agree with that. I mean, he's out for something

537
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 1: more and it's more than just money if he's yeah, yeah,

538
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: the way he plays, it's more more than just about money. Absolutely,

539
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: I would agree with that too. But the guy Phil Toll,

540
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: he's the guy that fixed the band Metallica. Yeah, there's

541
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: a whole movie about it. Huh yeah, yeah, okay, the

542
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: great guy that we had with us, so interesting. He

543
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,959
Speaker 1: really helped me. Yeah, anyway, but go ahead, okay. Now,

544
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 1: the one thing that do you want to talk about

545
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: with the defense as well? Is the pass rush one thing?

546
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was sort of surprised when I booked

547
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: at this, but the Rams are tied for second right

548
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: now in the league with twenty sacks. Ye, Jacksonville has more.

549
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: I believe they have twenty three after getting to golf

550
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: three times in this last game. And you expect that

551
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: from a Wade Phillips defense. But the sacks right now

552
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: are so evenly sort of distributed. You look up and

553
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: now ten guys on defense have sacks right now, and

554
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 1: seven have at least two sacks for the Rams. So

555
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: Matt Longacre and Connor Barwin are leading the team right

556
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: now with three sacks are three sacks apiece? Yes, three

557
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: sacks apiece? Are you going through? Michael Brockers has two? Yes, okay,

558
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: And that I think is the coolest thing because of

559
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: what they did moving Michael Brocker's out from the nose

560
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: tackle that center guard gap out too over the tackle.

561
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: That five technique gives him a chance to be a playmaker. Yes,

562
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: and I think he's delivered. I agree. Um So he's

563
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: got to Aaron Donald's got two. Aaron Donalds has two, yes,

564
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: Morgan Fox has two or one two and two and

565
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: a half sacks, and Robert Quinn's got one two and

566
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: a half two and a half. Actually, is there a

567
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: linebacker there is? They credit Tree with one? Tree has

568
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: two Tree okay, so that makes sense. And Mark Baron,

569
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 1: Ethan Westbrooks and Tyrn Walker also have one. Okay. See

570
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: that's that's good stuff. That's good. I mean there's there's

571
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: there's there's skill sacks. I mean guys getting beat like

572
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: Aaron Donalds. Yes, there's the scheme beating you. That's the

573
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: linebackers getting there. And then there's coverage sacks. And those

574
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: are the last guys you mentioned. Um So, it's opportunistic defense.

575
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: In the pass rush. That is how you wind up

576
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: being a top ten, top five team in terms of

577
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: sacks at the end of the year. You get them all.

578
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: So you've got skill to win one on one, you've

579
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 1: got scheme to beat um. They're protection schemes, and you've

580
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: got guys that can also clean up. That's that's good stuff. Well,

581
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: you also have to be able to make sure that

582
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: you get the guy down when you get there. And

583
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: I think the Rams have done a really good job

584
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: with moving quarterbacks. Yes, especially you know, when you have

585
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: the opportunity to get the sack, you need to get

586
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: the sack, and they have I think for the most

587
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: part some of these guys man Russell Wilson in particular,

588
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott too, definitely, uh Cam Newton. They should have

589
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: to dribble when they scramble. That ain't fair. What do

590
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 1: you mean drill there? That's two day and quick. You can't.

591
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: There's got to be some restriction on their scrambling ability. No,

592
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: because it's not fair. You should have had ten sacks

593
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: on Russell Wilson, Yeah, should have, but you can't because

594
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: like it's not fair, right, It's the thing he does

595
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: the most that I think is just the most not

596
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: fair is when he's like going to the ground and

597
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: he still somehow gets the ball off. And he did

598
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: that a couple of times in that game against Indianapolis,

599
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: and I think one or two were actually called down

600
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: and yeah it was sack. But the one where he

601
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: got off to it must have been Doug Baldwin on

602
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: that left side, second or third quarter, whenever it was,

603
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: that was legit. And I was so surprised. Now I

604
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: know why I have no sympathy for Aaron Rodgers Anthony

605
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: Barr finished through the play, especially on guys like him.

606
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: No sympathy for Aaron Zero. Finished through the play, because

607
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: you know why, You'll have these guys wrapped up and

608
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: it should be sacks and they get the ball out.

609
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: So finished through the play. I could care less what

610
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: breaks on him. Oh couldn't. I'm just saying, as a

611
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: defensive player, I could care less what breaks on him. Good,

612
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: just finished through the play. No football, he's arguably. I

613
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: didn't say go out to hurt him. I said, finished

614
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,719
Speaker 1: through the play. I could care less what happened. I

615
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: don't want him to get hurt. I loved watching her.

616
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: I don't want guys getting out of sacks, which is

617
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: more important to winning right now. You want to you

618
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: know you want to win. And I'm not saying thank you.

619
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: Anthony Barr's play was not dirty. No, thank you was

620
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: finishing the play and that's what you're supposed to do.

621
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: But thank you. In a world where I love watching

622
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers play quarterback, I don't want to see Aaron

623
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: Rodgers get hurt you anymore. I know, well, you're the

624
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: defensive guy. I'm the offensive guy, and that's why this is.

625
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: But I think the one the point I wanted to

626
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: make about the twenty sacks and how ye how it's

627
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: with ten different players. Yeah, that means that defenses can't

628
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: just excuse me, offenses can't just key in on one

629
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: guy and be like, all right, well, if we get

630
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: this guy, we're gonna be good. Like you, there are

631
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: a lot of guys on this defense that can get sacks.

632
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: Sacks can come from anywhere. I mean, there's, like you said,

633
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: there's there's a multitude of problems for an offense when

634
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: you have that many guys with sacks. Like you said,

635
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: just when you think you've got the Aaron Donald situation

636
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: figured out, And I think that should be priority one

637
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: for any offense. You've got to make sure you've got

638
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: him blocked in the passing situation. So once you solve that,

639
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: there also is a guy on the bench in Wade

640
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: Phillips that's watching how you're solving that problem. And if

641
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: you open yourself up for either interior blitz is with

642
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: your linebackers there outside guys, then he's going to start

643
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: sending those guys. And then when you have to play

644
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: coverage in certain situations, you do have people that can

645
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: uncover and get to the quarter back and then bring

646
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: him down. So exactly, I mean, that's that's how you

647
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: rack up numbers like that. All right, Well, let's turn

648
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: this thing to the offense though, because mcmah even said

649
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: after the game offensively, the performance just was not good

650
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: enough against Jacksonville, and he's demanding he is. Yeah, I mean, look,

651
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: the team still scored twenty seven points, but you look offensively,

652
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: you were only able to basically get what seventeen You know,

653
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: I can't do math thirteen. I think you were up ten?

654
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: Were you up ten before your first offensive touchdown? Yes? Yeah,

655
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 1: because it was it was I believe that's horde. Yes,

656
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: it was the special team's touchdown, and then you got

657
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: the field goal, then jackson and then you ripped and

658
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: then finally you got the one in on that tight

659
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: end shuffle pass. But Golf finished eleven of twenty one,

660
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty four yards with a touchdown. He

661
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: didn't turn the ball over, which was good, which was

662
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: what we talked about last week as being a definite

663
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: priority against an opportunistic Jaguars defense that had gotten five

664
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: interceptions off in Roethlisberger. Yeah, that's good. That's the first

665
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: number that jumped off the page when you look at

666
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: how Jacksonville has played. They picked everybody off. Yes, but

667
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: there's a big fat donut after the rams. That's a win.

668
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: That is. It is. But at the same time, you

669
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: were not able to get into that sort of established

670
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: rhythm that I think we saw earlier in the season,

671
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: and now it's kind of two straight games where the

672
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: passing game just hasn't quite clicked. Um. Yeah, the passing game,

673
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: just the offense as a whole. Um. This is the

674
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: first game that I can remember I think that you

675
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: ran it more than you passed it. Thirty two rush attempts,

676
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: twenty seven pass attempts, I believe so, which it was

677
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: that sort of game. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was.

678
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: It was a down and dirty, nasty football game. Yes,

679
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: and you had some you know, uh, some issues, um,

680
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: but but the passing game, there are some opportunities for

681
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: big plays in the passing game. I think you had

682
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: there were Higby down down the field that you missed.

683
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: I think he was at thirty when the past hit

684
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: at thirty three, so you just off and he was

685
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: wide open. If you can make a block on the

686
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: perimeter on a screen there's no one there for and

687
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: you go there's one guy and you've got a blocker

688
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: with girling. So that's a screenplay that breaks. So there's

689
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: some missed opportunities. But the downfield pass is Sammy waking.

690
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: Yes too, there's some stuff that you miss, but I

691
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: mean not a lot of offense. And I mean in

692
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: terms of plays run, that's like fifty six plays, right,

693
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: and that's not enough for Sean McVay. It's not. And

694
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: the thing that happens basically because you were in a

695
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: situation where the special teams kind of took offensive drives

696
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,479
Speaker 1: off the board, which is good because those rich and touchdowns, right,

697
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: aboy had another turnover, yes, on a drive or you

698
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: were moving the ball again. Yeah, and that's something that

699
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: the Rams definitely have to continue to improve. But you did.

700
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: You only got twelve first downs two hundred and forty

701
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: nine yards on the day for the offense, and so

702
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: you're right, when you don't really necessarily get the plays,

703
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: you can't necessarily get into that rhythm, right. I mean

704
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff probably on that card offensive

705
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: card that you didn't get to because you just weren't

706
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: on the field long enough. There you didn't have the availability,

707
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's it was weird. I mean, I think

708
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: I saw more goff on the sideline than I have

709
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: in a long time. You've been a time now. Either

710
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: you're not staying out there long enough or the defense

711
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: can't get off, and I think it was a mixture

712
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: of boat. It kind of wasn't mixture of both. But

713
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: what you did see though was an ability I think

714
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: at the end of the game to drive down the

715
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: field and be effective with the run game with Todd

716
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: Gurley because he had an all day by yeah, sort

717
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: of it hit a quiet day, right, but he was

718
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: over one hundred and ten yards. He had twenty three

719
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: carries hundred and sixteen yards. Longest was fourteen. If he

720
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: hits that one screen, I mean it's a big explosive play.

721
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he's right back in the mix for NFC

722
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: Player of the Week if you couple that with his

723
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: run yards. So just a couple of missed opportunities. But

724
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 1: up front, I thought the line did great. Yeah, run blocking,

725
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: I mean I thought they got an interior push and

726
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: separation to get Girly through there pretty much anytime they

727
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: wanted to. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot to like on there.

728
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,959
Speaker 1: It's just I'm with you. In the passing game, there

729
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: just wasn't enough. How do you say that consistency? Yeah, well,

730
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: part of that was the struggles on third down. They

731
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: went four of thirteen on third down, which, again McVey said,

732
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,479
Speaker 1: is not good enough. And that's kind of surprising when

733
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 1: you look at how efficient Girly was running the ball right, Like, again,

734
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: bring up the fact that Girly had a long or

735
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: fourteen yards, because that basically says, okay, if you take

736
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: that away, you get twenty two for one oh two, Right,

737
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: that's just under five yards of carriage, and he was

738
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: getting chunk yardage. You look on you had six runs

739
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: on first down that went for at least six yards.

740
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: That's yeah, so that's putting you in good position for

741
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: second and four to second and excuse me, second and

742
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: four to three to second and two. Yeah. Right, So

743
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: four of those runs were six yards, one was seven,

744
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: and one was eight, And to me, that speaks to

745
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: how efficient he is running the ball. But if you're

746
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: not getting the plays on third down, it sort of

747
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: takes away from what Girly is doing. True, And I mean,

748
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: you got to give Jacksonville credit. They we knew they

749
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: could rush the passage and that they provided that disrupted

750
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: some plays. And you know their corners. I mean, if

751
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: you're throwing outside the numbers or towards the numbers or

752
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: towards those corners, I mean you've seen them on film.

753
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 1: It's hard. Yeah, you better put it in the right spot. Yeah,

754
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: they could take it to the house. And they've got

755
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: athletic linebackers that you know, and they're really good at

756
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: what they do. So those windows are real tight. So

757
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: give them credit for making the rams have to really

758
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: work hard to make those plays. But yeah, you'd like

759
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: to see them be a little more consistent. But I

760
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: thought running the football girly in that old line had

761
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 1: a great game. Yeah, if they did, they did. The

762
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: one criticism that I would I would levey on them

763
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: is the third and one. You missed it twice. You

764
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: got stuffed. Yeah, twice and one was on the first

765
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: offensive drive, and so you expect to be able to

766
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 1: hit that. And McVay even pointed it out and when

767
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: he was talking to the media on Monday, it's a

768
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: second time in the last couple of games that they've

769
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: had an early drive where they've had a third one

770
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: they've tried to run it and it gets stopped. I

771
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 1: think that's one where well, yeah, Kalaias Campbell was being

772
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: blocked by Jerald Everett. Yes, and I'm thinking to myself,

773
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 1: that's got to be the biggest man he's ever blocked

774
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: on a Probably, yeah, I could. That's what happens in

775
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: the NFL. You'll see the biggest people you've ever seen

776
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: in your life. You gotta block them. Yeah, and you

777
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: know Jerrold's not a small guy, no, he's yeah. Um,

778
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: oh my god, never mind. I was gonna say that

779
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: there's a role in Hollywood for Kalaias Campbell. Definitely Gentle's

780
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: giant or whatever. Yeah, you play the predator role, Harry

781
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 1: and the Henderson's if they want to bring that back.

782
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: I know Chebacca has already taken. But yeah, man, it

783
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: is a big man. One thing about Kaliss Campbell. And

784
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: if you watch the Siphon Sounds video that we put

785
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: on the RAMS dot com, you can see at the

786
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: end he goes up to Jared Goff obviously played Jared

787
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: Goff at the end of last season with Arizona and

788
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: he tells him, Hey, Jared, you've really grown up, man,

789
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: proud of you. Yeah. And this is again, this is

790
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: the second week in a row we've heard this from

791
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: either somebody in the NFC West or who used to

792
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: be in the NFC West. Yeah, and has said, you

793
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 1: know what, Jared, You've done a nice job of progressing

794
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: from last seasons. You know there is defensive linemen do

795
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: have heart? Have hearts? No, I'm serious, man, I can

796
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 1: remember and I don't want to even say their names,

797
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: but I'll say one, you have a heart to mark

798
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: out Schuler. He's Schuler way back in the day. Just

799
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: look this name up. Okay, when they turned the game

800
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: over to him, you could tell this kid clearly wasn't

801
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: ready to be out here, like, we're gonna hurt this kid,

802
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: like you, you're picking him up and you're pulling three

803
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: of the other defensive linemen off him, like all four

804
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: of us got to him, and you want to pick

805
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: him up and say, you know, we can hit you

806
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: out here. Yeah. Yeah, it's not good to stand here

807
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 1: with the ball. It's not safe. You know, you might

808
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 1: want to throw it. Now. What you're saying is, folks

809
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: have notice. Yeah, Jared is not necessarily justin I don't

810
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: have a red shirt on out here, man, this is

811
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: in practice. We don't like you, We're gonna hit you.

812
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean seeing like and he went through

813
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: that with Seattle before, like guys on that defense didn't

814
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: have a ton of respect for the offense. The football

815
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: teamt yeah, and him and I thought he quitted himself.

816
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: Well there, dog fight, came back from five takeaways to

817
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 1: almost win the game. And then a guy that's played

818
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: against you a lot, and it's a different guy, So

819
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: that that's a big deal. When veterans that have seen

820
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: you come up and say stuff like that, I think

821
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: it is too And I think that just speaks to

822
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: the way this offense has been able to do things

823
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: over the course of this regular season, but again, this

824
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: team has got to get into a rhythm offensively somehow,

825
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: and funny yeah, yeah, I mean, look, the defense gave

826
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: up one hundred and sixty nine yards on the ground.

827
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: That should be your high, that's your third, right, Yeah, So,

828
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: I mean this has been a problem. You're gonna have

829
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: to sew that up. But there's been times when they

830
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: have been letter perfect playing the run, so they need

831
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: to bring it on game day to be successful. The

832
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: offense early scoring a lot of points, kind of taken

833
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: a step back. It's there. You have to bring it.

834
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: And special teams you just saw, so imagine if all

835
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: three phases hit at the same time. Yeah, but I

836
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: think you're trending toward that. I think so too. Look,

837
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: and you've been able to get to four and two

838
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: without that, yeah, and that to me is a pretty

839
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: big deal because look, four, you're at the top of

840
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: the division right now, You've matched your win total from

841
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: last season. And yes, I know that basically at this

842
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: point they could have had four wins last season and

843
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: then the wheels came off anyway, so whatever, and the

844
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: wheels could still come off I don't think that's going

845
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: to happen. Though. To me, it's a different feel. And

846
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: we've talked a little bit about this before, like this

847
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: seems like a different team now they still have to

848
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: go out and prove it, right, and you know, again,

849
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: this is a team that has not had eight wins

850
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: since two thousand and six. True, so you there's a

851
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: lot to left to prove. Yeah. Defensively, you're rotating a

852
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: lot of guys through, so you're not pounding one unit. Yeah.

853
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: Your offense, you're spreading the ball around, so there's no

854
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: outside of Todd Gurley, no one's really being overused. Yes,

855
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: so there's a lot of guys contributing to your your

856
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: four and two record. And then once you start to

857
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: get down the road and you start to leaning on

858
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: the guys you want to lean on, they still have

859
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: something left for the stretch. Yeah, nothing seems like it's unsustainable.

860
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: I guess that's the biggest point that I would make,

861
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: that you're not You're not just winning games nine to

862
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: three or nine to six. Right, it's a good plan. Yes,

863
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: I like the plan. Sometimes, look, sometimes special teams is

864
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: gonna have to pick you up. Sometimes offense is gonna

865
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: have to pick you up. Sometimes it's gonna be defense.

866
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: But to me, nothing i've seen so far from this

867
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: RAMS team is really unsustainable for a sixteen game season. No,

868
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: it's for the most part when you especially offensive stats,

869
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, for people that are into fantasy and whatnot.

870
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: And that's the biggest difference. I hear there are a

871
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: lot of fantasy people that have avoided the Rams for

872
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: years that are now asking me about people on offense. Yes,

873
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: so that's new, the way they're being talked about, the

874
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: way they've been written. But when you're searching for numbers offensively,

875
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: it's not hard to find the Rams from the top.

876
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: It's not. Yeah, I mean usually you're buried down here,

877
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: but it's you know, points, yards, touchdowns. I mean you're

878
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: with the big boys, the teams that are considered playoff teams.

879
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: So all that stuff is you know, it builds confidence, Yeah,

880
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: and it shows in your record. It does. It shows

881
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: in your record. But again, you've got a lot to prove.

882
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: And look, you've started out the second quarter of the

883
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: season one and one. That's good. You get two more

884
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: wins in the second quarter to get to three and one.

885
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: You've started you've started the first two quarters of the season,

886
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: three and one, both of them. I think that would

887
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: that would be a really really good thing for this

888
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: no doubt. Yeah. But like I said, that game you

889
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: played on Sunday for the defense was punishing. I'm glad

890
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: you're at a spot. Yeah. Yeah, don't get a massage.

891
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: Guess what next Sunday, here comes Adrian Exactly. So, I mean,

892
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: were you surprised at what Adrian Peterson was able to do? No? No, no, no, no,

893
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: it looked when you watched that film against Tampa, it

894
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: looked like Minnesota. Vintage Minnesota, just changed uniforms. This is

895
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: a typical Adrian Peterson type offense. Um I think. Yeah,

896
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: he had one hundred and thirty two yards on twenty

897
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: three carries or something like twenty six carries. Yeah, but

898
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: he got fifty four on his first three and a touchdown.

899
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: That's Adrian Peterson. And then if you look at all

900
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: their drives, every scoring drive started with him. He was

901
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,439
Speaker 1: the focal point either a big run or chipped away

902
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: and then they punched it in Yeah, because of him.

903
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 1: So no, not at all. That looked like vintage Adrian Peterson.

904
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: I guess the only thing that would be sort of

905
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: surprising to me, is yeah, I guess so, like just

906
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: butterfly face. Wow, I know I took a left definitely

907
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: something about me. I mean I would have avoid me

908
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: if I were a butterfly too. Yeah, hat my chill, yeah,

909
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: chill Gilligan hat because we're I don't know, living sort

910
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 1: of island life. Even though this has been awesome. Yeah,

911
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: hasn't it this week? Yes, I've been I've been so relaxed.

912
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 1: Isn't this the most relaxed you've ever seen me? This

913
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: is it? This is about this is this is about

914
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: as relax as you get. Oh yeah, dude, man, we

915
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: gotta exercise this out man, really, if if this is it,

916
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: I mean I've been really relaxed. We what's really going on? Miles?

917
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: What see? What? Um? We're gonna talk about Adrian Peterson

918
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: and I don't necessarily remember the point I was about

919
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: to try to make. Um. Oh. The thing that sort

920
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: of surprised me about that performance was that it came

921
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: so soon, and like, I know, as a running back,

922
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: there's I don't want to say that, there's only so

923
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: many different kinds of plays you're going to run, but

924
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: you know, like this Okay, let's learning the playbook and

925
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: learning whatever it is. Like, I guess all you gotta

926
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: do is like, hey, Adrian, run there, and he's like,

927
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: this is why head coaches get like the twisty face

928
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: sometimes with the media, especially old crusties. Um, we make it.

929
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: We spend a lot of time saying, Okay, how is

930
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: Arizona going to be able to use Adrian Peterson immediately? Yeah,

931
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: it's Bruce Arians. Man. He knows who Adrian Peterson is. Yes,

932
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: he knows the plays, he likes to run. Yeah, it's

933
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: not that hardy Adrian. Um, what you used to call

934
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: thirty seven gap, we call thirty seven trip. Yeah, oh great,

935
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 1: give me the ball. Yeah, come on, man, you know

936
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: how to use Adrian Peterson and Carson Palmer in that offense.

937
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: They know how to function around a running back that's

938
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 1: hot like that. Yeah they do. I'm not shocked at all. Yeah,

939
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: I mean and just seeing them, I mean, they had

940
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: they'd had to lose, they lost David Johnson for the year,

941
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: and now you bring in a back like Adrian Peterson

942
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: who was clearly unhappy in New Orleans. Yeah, and as

943
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: New Orleans just put up fifty two on Detroit with

944
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: you know, three touchdowns from their defense. But I just

945
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: think this is a really it's a match that I

946
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: would not have necessarily thought would work as well as

947
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: it did that quickly. Yeah, if that makes anything, No,

948
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: it does. I mean, sometimes you know, trades are perfect.

949
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: You just plug a guy in and a way you go,

950
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: And I think that's a good example. But I mean,

951
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: the word is coming out of Arizona as David Johnson

952
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: is going to be back in December. Oh, so you

953
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: get Adrian Peterson and say you've got until December, because

954
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 1: when the guy comes back, the guy is coming back.

955
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: I don't see a two back formation. I don't see

956
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: a two back attack when he comes back. He's our guy,

957
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 1: So it's going to be your offense. We're gonna center

958
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 1: on you as long as you've got the juice until December.

959
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,959
Speaker 1: So if you're Adrian Peterson, that's music to your ears

960
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: because it was the opposite New Orleans it. We'll get

961
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: to you when we can. Right here, We're gonna give

962
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: you the rock for as much as you can take

963
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: up until this point. Yeah, I mean he's gonna run

964
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: like gangbusters. Yeah. So but how what do the Rams

965
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: have to do to come back that same thing. I mean,

966
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: it's you're gonna see, it's gonna feel like deja vu. Um.

967
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: Now where it expands out, is Carson Palmer's better than

968
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: Blake Bortles, No question that Larry Fitzgerald in the passing

969
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: game brings a level of physicality. They can run the

970
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: ball through the air with him on the perimeter. So

971
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: that's Jacksonville forced everybody into a phone booth and made

972
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: everyone half had to tackle. Right, Well, it's going to

973
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,439
Speaker 1: be a similar approach, except they can spread you out

974
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: and still pound you. So it's it's going to be

975
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 1: a similar attack, same physicality. Can you tackle on game day?

976
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: Let's let's see who's better prepared. So it's gonna be

977
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: another phone booth battle for the Rams. And definitely have

978
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 1: you noticed anything different from Arizona on defense this year? Um,

979
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: the last two weeks, I think they're trending downward. Um.

980
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: The names don't jump out, Um, you know, Matthew Us Peterson,

981
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones. But in the interior, you feel like teams

982
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: feel like against the Rams, you feel like you can

983
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: muscle them. So I expect a lot of Todd Gurley

984
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: like the same offensive approach you used against the better

985
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: Jacksonville defense. Same thing. Come off the football, you know,

986
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: set up your play actions, get Jared Goff on the perimeter.

987
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 1: But you gotta be accurate with your throws, even more

988
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: accurate than you were with Jacksonville, because if you're throwing

989
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 1: towards Peterson, that's dangerous. Yes, obviously, if you hang one

990
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: against Matthew it's it's getting picked. That's that's that's dangerous.

991
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: So They've got some good players and keith spots. And

992
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: if you're getting into an obvious passing down, Chandler Jones

993
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: can make you pay. Yes, that's a good pass rusher.

994
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: But for the most part, if you keep them on

995
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: and stay ahead of the chains and keep running the football,

996
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: you should be able to move them. Okay, Well, before

997
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 1: we get out of here, um, we are going to London.

998
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: We'll be flying to London on Thursday, which is tomorrow

999
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: as we record this at about almost noon Eastern time

1000
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: in Florida. But before that, the Rams will practice Wednesday

1001
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: and Thursday at the University of North Florida. I'm excited. Yeah, yeah,

1002
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: I'm exciting London. No, No, I mean for practice. Uh,

1003
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 1: just it's something about practicing on foreign soil. That's awesome. Yeah,

1004
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: it's like a bowl game, yeah kind of. Yeah, that

1005
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: was the cool thing about bull games in college. I

1006
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: mean you were away from home doing what you normally do.

1007
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm excited to go watch practice. Yeah, me too. Um,

1008
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: but are you excited to get back to London? Yeah?

1009
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 1: This is our third trip, your third trip, my second

1010
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: and over two Yeah yeah, okay, yeah the script there. Yeah, yeah,

1011
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 1: I don't know what it feels like. I'm a lot

1012
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: of guys, yeah, ads or coaches or otherwise, they don't

1013
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: know what it feels like to win in London. So

1014
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: that would be nice. Sean mcvand knows how to tie

1015
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 1: in London. Didn't they tie over there at the Bengals?

1016
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: Did he? Tie over? Was where they tied last year

1017
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: at the Bengals. I mean that stuff matters. I mean,

1018
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: this is the stuff you take to your grave. Yeah,

1019
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: it's true. When you're like eighty, I mean you'll think

1020
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: about your rings, your trophies, and you know, I never

1021
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: won in London. I'm just I'm not looking forward to

1022
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: the long flights. Man. I gotta I gotta figure out

1023
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: something to do because I'm one of those guys that're like,

1024
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,479
Speaker 1: I don't like watching movies on flights, And I don't

1025
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: know why I'm like this, but like, I just I'm

1026
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: not a movie on the flight guy. You're the guy

1027
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 1: I need to know where you are on the flight. Why,

1028
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 1: I just I just need to know where you are

1029
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: on the flight. What does that mean? I'm just saying

1030
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: I just need to know where Miles is on the airplane,

1031
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: so you know where I'm sleeping, or just saying obviously

1032
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: you're not going to be sleeping if you're not watching movies.

1033
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: Oh I will, I'll try to sleep. I mean, I'm

1034
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna get some zeke will probably all right.

1035
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: I'm just just saying I just need to know where

1036
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: you are. You know, if you're in front of me,

1037
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: behind me, to the side, wherever you are, gonna bother you.

1038
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that I keep to myself, okay, all right,

1039
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: all right. Single most important thing the Rams have to

1040
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: do to beat Arizona. Well, let's see. Um, I think

1041
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: it starts here because you know, Thursday is gonna be

1042
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: a wash. Yeah, Friday you're gonna be acclimating. Saturday you're

1043
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: gonna have to get right into it and then play

1044
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: on Sunday. So I mean it's hard. Yeah, at this point,

1045
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: you know, uh, you played six games, you know the plan,

1046
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: you know the strategy. Uh, and you know what McVeigh

1047
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: and Will and Phillips and Fossil are expecting out of you. Um.

1048
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: Now you have to be a professional and and really

1049
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: lock it down and prepare it. Because this is great.

1050
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Speaker 1: It's fun. It is I've had a great time this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a business trip. I think that's the most important thing.

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Speaker 1: All right. Well, thanks guys so much for tuning into

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Speaker 1: this edition of Between the Horns. We will be back

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Speaker 1: next week from Los Angeles to recap everything that goes

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Speaker 1: on from their game in London. Yeah. Two hours, man,

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Speaker 1: nothing less than two hours. I once got a massage

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Speaker 1: and during the summer, I got a massage and the

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Speaker 1: lady said, you really need to see a chiropractor, and

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Speaker 1: next time you come back, you should really do this.

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Speaker 1: For Miles is the only guy that yells at the

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Speaker 1: massus get out of here. Guys, thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: tuning in. We'll see you next time on Between the Horns.

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Speaker 1: Rabbit Rabbit